WEBVTT - Part Two: India's Most Famous Con-Man

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<v Speaker 1>What sharining my lonnie unuses? Would I have? I have?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to figure out what the plural would be.

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<v Speaker 1>Would it be Sharene's Lanna units like attorneys general? I

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<v Speaker 1>think the last name is you and I. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>Sharne's Lana and I sharenus Is, I mean accepted. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>literally we're gonna call you sharenus Is from now on.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just letting you know I love it. Grant Taylor

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<v Speaker 1>in middle school coined the nickname Sharnie Weenie. I've embraced

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<v Speaker 1>what was it? What was his name? Sharie Grant Taylor? Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>are they're gonna say Brent Taylor, who's the chuttiest cop

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<v Speaker 1>in Portland who got removed from the riot team for

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<v Speaker 1>shooting too many people with grenades for no reason? Oh jesus,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna say that would have been amazing, not a

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<v Speaker 1>creative like insult nickname. That right is beneath you. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that person is trash. You know who is also kind

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<v Speaker 1>of well, I don't know, we'll decide if he's trash.

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<v Speaker 1>You're probably gonna like this guy too. Um, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>talk about a very special con artist today. A fellow

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<v Speaker 1>named not war Lal, who was India's greatest con man.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I want to start this by saying, I can't

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<v Speaker 1>tell you how accurate most of this is. There are

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<v Speaker 1>very few English language sources on his life, and I

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't even find a lot of online like Hindi sources

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<v Speaker 1>that I could translate. There's very little about this guy

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<v Speaker 1>that is credible. There's a couple of like India today,

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of like broadly credible websites that have stories

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<v Speaker 1>about him on there, but like fuck, it is hard

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<v Speaker 1>to find ship about this dude that is not like

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<v Speaker 1>some weird little listical or basically there was a Bollywood

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<v Speaker 1>movie made about his life that is completely inaccurate. Hard

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<v Speaker 1>to tell what is true about this guy, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>a fun story. So we're gonna, we're gonna, We're gonna.

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<v Speaker 1>I did the best job I could and we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to it seems like a through fee with some con artists, right,

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<v Speaker 1>like right, it's you don't know what's true. If you

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<v Speaker 1>are someone who spends this guy's case, like literally like

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<v Speaker 1>sixty straight years lying to people and conning people, it's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be hard to tell out what was true about

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<v Speaker 1>your life. You're gonna have very little in the way

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<v Speaker 1>of heart details. Um, but all we have about this

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<v Speaker 1>dude is fascinating and it's gonna be a fun, short

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<v Speaker 1>little story. So Mithilesh Kumar Shrivastava. Srivastava was born in

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<v Speaker 1>the village of Bangarra in a place called Bihar, India,

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<v Speaker 1>at some point in between nineteen twelve and nineteen twenty five,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a pretty wide margin to not know exactly

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<v Speaker 1>when this guy was born. Um, it is one of

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<v Speaker 1>those things. He's he's he grows up in a small

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<v Speaker 1>village in India in the like more than a century

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<v Speaker 1>ago and like to this day. So there's this thing,

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<v Speaker 1>this big celebration they do every twelve years called the

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<v Speaker 1>kumb Mela. I mean to do it every four years,

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<v Speaker 1>but every twelve years it's in Allahabad. And every time

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<v Speaker 1>it's in Allahabad, it's like the largest gathering of human

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<v Speaker 1>beings for any purpose in human history. Like a hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and twenty million people came at the last Mela in

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<v Speaker 1>Allahabad which I was at. Um when I was there

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<v Speaker 1>was about thirty or forty million people at a time

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<v Speaker 1>in intensity like it's it's incredibly it's just this unbelievably

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<v Speaker 1>massive thing. Sorry, mind dumb. What is it? What is

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<v Speaker 1>what is it for? It's it's a it's a religious celebration.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a it's a it's a Hindu religious celebration. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's so many people go that every year about thirty

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<v Speaker 1>thousand or so people disappear. And when I say disappear,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean these are people who live in villages so

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<v Speaker 1>isolated and so small that they don't have government documents

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<v Speaker 1>like that. Their only identity is as a part of

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<v Speaker 1>this village, and they get separated from their people and

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<v Speaker 1>they're just like people without like a legal life. Like

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<v Speaker 1>that still happens in India. That's why this guy. Part

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<v Speaker 1>of why this guy's like this, Like we don't have

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<v Speaker 1>like government documents about this dude's early life, right, Like

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<v Speaker 1>he's born in nineteen twelve and some or or sometime

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<v Speaker 1>in between there and some little village. We have very

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<v Speaker 1>little about his actual early life about is like government

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<v Speaker 1>identity or whatever, which is part of what enables him

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<v Speaker 1>to do the conning he does. Right, things are very

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<v Speaker 1>chaotic and India during the period where he's growing up,

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<v Speaker 1>this is like he kind of comes in his early

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<v Speaker 1>adulthood during the period where like the British government, UM

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<v Speaker 1>gives up controlling India. So like this guy. Part of

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<v Speaker 1>why he's able to get away with so much is

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<v Speaker 1>he he lives during a very chaotic time in India

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<v Speaker 1>UM and as a result, we know very little about

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<v Speaker 1>his early childhood. One version of his story states that

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<v Speaker 1>the inciting incident that kind of led to his break

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<v Speaker 1>from mainstream society occurred in nineteen thirty two, when he

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<v Speaker 1>was a ninth grader at Patna High School. Travastava was

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<v Speaker 1>not a good student, particularly when it came to mathematics.

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<v Speaker 1>His teachers noted to his parents that he was extremely intelligent,

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<v Speaker 1>which led Shrivastava's father to the conclusion that his son

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<v Speaker 1>was simply refusing to work hard. Lectures from his dad

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<v Speaker 1>turned into yelling and eventually to physical abuse. The first

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<v Speaker 1>time Shravastava's father hit him was also the last. Shravastava

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<v Speaker 1>fled home the very next day, eventually resurfacing in the

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<v Speaker 1>nearby city of Calcutta. This one version of his story,

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<v Speaker 1>and it is the version that paints the most sympathetic

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<v Speaker 1>picture of young Trevastava. Another version of the story states

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<v Speaker 1>that as a preteen, he realized he had the ability

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<v Speaker 1>to almost perfectly forge the signature of any person he chose.

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<v Speaker 1>One day, a family friend asked him to deposit some

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<v Speaker 1>money in a nearby bank. Sharik copied their signature and

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<v Speaker 1>later used it to withdraw a thousand rupees from their account.

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<v Speaker 1>According to this version of events, Shari's crime was found

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<v Speaker 1>out and he was exiled from his village and forced

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<v Speaker 1>to flee his home at any rate. By the time

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<v Speaker 1>he was in his late teens, he was a lone

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<v Speaker 1>and unsupported in Calcutta, So we don't know exactly how

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<v Speaker 1>he gets there. There's kind of two versions of the story.

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<v Speaker 1>One is his dad beats him and he flees. That's

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<v Speaker 1>obviously the more sympathetic. One is he steals from a

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<v Speaker 1>family friend and he gets kicked out of the village.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really know which one is true. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>either one I feel like, I don't hate, like it's

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<v Speaker 1>not like, yeah, one is more like he's a victim,

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<v Speaker 1>but the other one he's desperate and also you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like who cares. Yeah, I mean it's they're both good

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<v Speaker 1>con artist origin stories. So uh. At that time, Calcutta

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<v Speaker 1>was the capital of the British raj and it was

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<v Speaker 1>a city defined by its almost unbelievable gap between the

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<v Speaker 1>colonial rich they're fortunate chosen Indian allies and employees, and

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<v Speaker 1>a seething mass of starving urban poor. It's not for nothing,

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<v Speaker 1>that is where Mother Teresa has her like her set up.

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<v Speaker 1>She's a problematic figure, but she's there because there's so

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<v Speaker 1>much poverty in Calcutta. Few cities in history have been

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<v Speaker 1>harder places for a young pubescent boy with no money

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<v Speaker 1>to survive. And yet somehow Shravastava managed. He enrolled in

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<v Speaker 1>a Bachelor in Commerce to graduate course at Calcutta University,

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<v Speaker 1>presumably after lying about his age. We don't know how

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<v Speaker 1>he supported himself. He had no relatives in the city,

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<v Speaker 1>but somehow he got by long enough to meet and

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<v Speaker 1>befriended businessman Seth keshav Ram, who became his first mark.

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<v Speaker 1>Seth was in the market for a private tutor for

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<v Speaker 1>his children. Servastava knew he could do the job. He

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<v Speaker 1>just needed to convince Seth of that. So he produced

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<v Speaker 1>a series of testimonials from satisfied parents by forging signatures

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<v Speaker 1>and different handwriting styles to make them look like genuine

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<v Speaker 1>notes from actual people who actually existed. Seth was only

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<v Speaker 1>impressed by how highly recommended this young man was, and

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<v Speaker 1>he hired Travastova to teach his son and daughter for

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<v Speaker 1>thirty rupees per month. Travastava did this job for several months,

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<v Speaker 1>teaching this rich man's children god only knows what, because

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<v Speaker 1>he did not have much of an education himself. After

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<v Speaker 1>he'd been on the job, awhile Shri asked Seth for

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<v Speaker 1>a loan so he could purchase some books. Seth said no.

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<v Speaker 1>Depending on who you believe, this was the inciting incident

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<v Speaker 1>that really turned Shre against all rich people. He quit

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<v Speaker 1>his job and discussed, and he set to work getting revenge. First,

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<v Speaker 1>he forged another set of fake credicials and used them

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<v Speaker 1>to get a job as the headmaster of a school

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<v Speaker 1>that sets kids attended. Seth was impressed. When Srivastava got hired.

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<v Speaker 1>He apologized to his former employee and hired him back

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<v Speaker 1>as a private tutor for much more money. Shri took

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<v Speaker 1>the job, but he had not yet gotten his revenge.

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<v Speaker 1>At the time. In Calcutta, there was a serious shortage

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<v Speaker 1>of high quality cloth. Shri told Seth that he had

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<v Speaker 1>a relative who just come from Bombay with two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>bales of cloth that he wanted to sell on the

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<v Speaker 1>black market for the low low price of four point

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<v Speaker 1>five lack of rupees or four hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>The cloth could be sets. A lock is like an

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<v Speaker 1>Indian unit of measurement that means better a hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 1>or so l a k h L. There's this cloth

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<v Speaker 1>shortage and Shri is like, hey, I got my guy

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<v Speaker 1>coming in. He's got a bunch of this cloth. He's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna sell it to you for four hundred fifty thousand rupees,

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<v Speaker 1>which is cheap, and you can sell the cloth back

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<v Speaker 1>for much more money. Being a businessman, Seth couldn't pass

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<v Speaker 1>up the opportunity to make some black market bucks. And

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<v Speaker 1>now that Shravastava had proven himself legitimate, Seth was willing

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<v Speaker 1>to trust the man with hundreds of thousands of rupees

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<v Speaker 1>where he had once been unwilling to trust him with hundreds,

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<v Speaker 1>So he agreed to the deal. Once he did, Trevastava

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<v Speaker 1>informed him that the situation had changed. His relative had

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<v Speaker 1>returned to Bombay, but if Seth, if Seth would send

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<v Speaker 1>the cash to that city, he Shravastava would personally guarantee

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<v Speaker 1>the delivery of the baals to Calcutta. Seth was willing

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<v Speaker 1>to do this, but he insisted Trevastava would have to

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<v Speaker 1>go to Bombay with the money and one of Seth's

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<v Speaker 1>agents in order to make sure the deal with through properly.

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<v Speaker 1>Shri agree and he traveled to Bombay with Seth Man

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm gonna quote from a write up in India

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<v Speaker 1>today here. On the journey, Shrevastava had cleverly though casually

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<v Speaker 1>regaled the agent with stories of Bombay's tough police force

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<v Speaker 1>and the ruthless elements in the underworld who had no

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<v Speaker 1>compunctions about dispatching any outsider who dared to poach on

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<v Speaker 1>their preserves. Understandably nervous, the agent begged Shravastava to leave

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<v Speaker 1>him behind and take the money himself to purchase the cloth.

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<v Speaker 1>Shravastava agreed and departed, with the route be four hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty thousand rupees. He never returned. Instead, he arrived

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<v Speaker 1>in Patna a few days later and proudly handed his

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<v Speaker 1>father a hundred thousand rupees as a gift. He told

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<v Speaker 1>his father that he had become a major shareholder at

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<v Speaker 1>a big company in Calcutta. Shravastava returned to Calcutta the

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<v Speaker 1>same week, but Seth had heard of his arrival and

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<v Speaker 1>sent hired thugs to retrieve the money. Shravastava spun them

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<v Speaker 1>a sob story about being chased by the police and

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<v Speaker 1>having to abandon the money, but Seth was unconvinced. He

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<v Speaker 1>gave Shravastava four days in which to find the money,

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<v Speaker 1>failing which he threatened to have him murdered. The moment

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<v Speaker 1>Seth left, Shravastova rushed to the police station, where he

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<v Speaker 1>lodged a complaint against Seth, alleging Seth had threatened his

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<v Speaker 1>life refusing to become his agent for black market deals.

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<v Speaker 1>Servastava also gave the police a detailed count of Seth's

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<v Speaker 1>clandestine criminal deals. Steals half a million rupees from this

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<v Speaker 1>guy and then turns him into the police when he

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<v Speaker 1>threatens to murder him. Um so yeah, yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>that's what Yeah, that's what he did. It's also like

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<v Speaker 1>who are who are you? Who you gonna trust? Right

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<v Speaker 1>like the this foreigner you know? Yeah, I mean they're both.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's one of those things. This doesn't wind

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<v Speaker 1>up working out for him. So snitching worked at first,

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<v Speaker 1>because Seth and his goons get immediately arrested by the

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<v Speaker 1>police and taken into custody. Uh. And since Seth was

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<v Speaker 1>not a really nice guy, has men have no loyalty

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<v Speaker 1>to him, so they immediately confessed to planning a murder.

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<v Speaker 1>So now Seth is fucked no matter what, because he's

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<v Speaker 1>just been caught attempting to murder somebody, and he decides

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<v Speaker 1>to at least take Shri down with him, and he

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<v Speaker 1>tells the police that Shar had been trying to set

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<v Speaker 1>up an illegal black market cloth deal. So the cops

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<v Speaker 1>arrest Tree too, and in December eleven seven, he goes

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<v Speaker 1>to jail for the first time. Um, yeah, you know

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's that's that's how this started. Yeah, yeah, you

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<v Speaker 1>go to the cops, that's what happens. So he gets

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<v Speaker 1>sentenced to a six month imprisonment, young and at that point,

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<v Speaker 1>not as savvy as he would later be. Sri served

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<v Speaker 1>out his whole sentence. He was released and immediately committed

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<v Speaker 1>more fraud. We don't know the precise nature of this crime,

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<v Speaker 1>but given the stories it's gone so far, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>take a whole lot of imagination to guess what kind

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<v Speaker 1>of ship he got up to. He gets caught a

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<v Speaker 1>second time, almost immediately in a sentence to eight more

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<v Speaker 1>months of hard labor. He serves his time again and

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<v Speaker 1>he decides, after two sentences behind bars, it's time for

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<v Speaker 1>him to move his base of operations away from Calcutta.

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<v Speaker 1>They know him too well there, so he moves to

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<v Speaker 1>Madras and he changes his name to not war Lal,

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<v Speaker 1>a name under which he would become one of the

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<v Speaker 1>most famous people in modern Indian history. Now, the Madras

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<v Speaker 1>police record just one crime by nut war Lal in

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<v Speaker 1>their files, another suspected fraud. The fact that they only

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<v Speaker 1>caught him once suggest that he'd gotten savvy er after

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<v Speaker 1>his second arrest, because if we know one thing about

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<v Speaker 1>not war Lala at this point in the story, it's

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<v Speaker 1>that he cannot stop himself from conning people. By ninety nine,

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<v Speaker 1>he had returned to northern India and for several years

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<v Speaker 1>he roams from city to city, conning businessmen out of

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<v Speaker 1>there also ill gotten gains. None of his subsequent grifts

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<v Speaker 1>were as ambitious as his staff from seft. He steals

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<v Speaker 1>twenty thousand dollars rupee from a Khan and for Karabad

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<v Speaker 1>forty dollars from a khan and Asamgar. The cases are

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<v Speaker 1>individually smaller, but there's a ton of them. He's just

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<v Speaker 1>constantly scam scamming tens of thousands of rupees out of people,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's more than the law can keep up with.

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<v Speaker 1>What kind of people is he scamming? Businessman? It's it's

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<v Speaker 1>always like, Hey, I've got some sort of a deal.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got this black market deal. You give me the cash,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll get this thing, I'll get this study and then

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<v Speaker 1>he skips town. You know, that's the way this guy works.

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<v Speaker 1>Um and again it's the same kind of thing as

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<v Speaker 1>Victor Lustig, where a lot of it's like, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want you to go to the cops, so I'll make

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<v Speaker 1>sure you're agreeing to break the law first. Yeah, he

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<v Speaker 1>wants to compromise them so they don't. Yeah, they can

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<v Speaker 1>ever turn him in, So Sardar, he's he's very fast.

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<v Speaker 1>He's constantly skipping cities. Isn't like dozens of cities at

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<v Speaker 1>this point scamming people, So the cops are always a

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<v Speaker 1>few steps behind him, but he leaves enough of a

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<v Speaker 1>pattern that at least one detective becomes obsessed with him.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy, Sardar Hari Singh, who's the inspector of police

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<v Speaker 1>in a city called Luck now like just becomes very

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<v Speaker 1>dedicated to capturing this guy. He's probably the first person

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<v Speaker 1>to report on the budding con man's m O in

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<v Speaker 1>a concerted way. And I'm gonna quote from India today again.

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<v Speaker 1>His initial operations involved the swindling of goods from jewelry

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<v Speaker 1>stores in large department stores in the cities he visited.

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<v Speaker 1>He would first open a bank account in a large bank.

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<v Speaker 1>He would then win the confidence of the shopkeepers by

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<v Speaker 1>paying for his purchases by checks, which were promptly cashed.

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<v Speaker 1>Once he had earned their trust, that Warlow would withdraw

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<v Speaker 1>his bank account and on the same day by large

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<v Speaker 1>amounts of jewelry and expensive items from the stores, which

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<v Speaker 1>he could sell later. He was careful, though, to limit

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<v Speaker 1>his purchases to a few thousand rupees so as to

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<v Speaker 1>combat any suspicion that might arise. He would then disappear

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<v Speaker 1>from the city and another page will be added to

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<v Speaker 1>the neat war law legend. So pretty not not super

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<v Speaker 1>ambitious cons here, but very smart. You know, he's it's

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing. You establish a base line of trust,

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<v Speaker 1>you get them to think that your money is good,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you steal right. That's how it works. So

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<v Speaker 1>he keeps this up for half a decade, uh and

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen until in nineteen forty four, he is arrested

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<v Speaker 1>for more fraud, this time in a city called Gorekpor.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we don't know how he gets out, but this

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<v Speaker 1>arrest marks the first time that he busts himself out

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<v Speaker 1>of prison, and it's not going to be his last.

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<v Speaker 1>He's re arrested at a metabad in nineteen forty five

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<v Speaker 1>and released on bail this time, and then he's re

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<v Speaker 1>arrested in Varanasi a few weeks later in connection to

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<v Speaker 1>a series of forged receipts issued at a railway station.

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<v Speaker 1>This con represented an evolution for net war law. See.

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<v Speaker 1>The idea was that he would book railway wagons, posing

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<v Speaker 1>as a businessman who needed to transport sugar or some

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<v Speaker 1>other commodity. He would actually pay the train company the

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<v Speaker 1>salute minimum he could for the smallest amount of space

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<v Speaker 1>he could book in their freight section. Then he would

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<v Speaker 1>doctor the receipt that he'd given them and make it

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<v Speaker 1>look like he had rented much more space on the

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<v Speaker 1>train so that he would be able to claim that

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<v Speaker 1>he had a lot more sugar or whatever than he

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<v Speaker 1>actually had. Then he would travel ahead to the destination

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<v Speaker 1>city of the train and he would sell the cargo

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<v Speaker 1>to speculators there. So he actually books a tiny amount

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<v Speaker 1>of space on the train. He makes it look like

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<v Speaker 1>he's booked a lot. He's like, I've got all this

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<v Speaker 1>sugar coming in. You want to buy it? You give

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<v Speaker 1>me the money. Here's the slit. The train's gonna arrive

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<v Speaker 1>in another day. He would show them the fake receipts

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<v Speaker 1>is proof that he had the goods, and when they

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<v Speaker 1>paid him, he would take the money and run. And

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<v Speaker 1>when the fires arrived at the train station to pick

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<v Speaker 1>up their commodities, they find only a few bags of

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<v Speaker 1>sand and bricks. He's gotten a lot more ambitious here.

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<v Speaker 1>He's diversified. As all con men need to do um

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<v Speaker 1>and not. Marlow had a few different schemes that one

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<v Speaker 1>had to. He had to run a bunch of different

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<v Speaker 1>scams and given time to stay solving because all of

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<v Speaker 1>these cons require that he have upfront money in order

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<v Speaker 1>to make more money later. One of his scams was

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<v Speaker 1>to open multiple bank accounts in a city under the

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<v Speaker 1>name of a fake company. He would lease office space,

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<v Speaker 1>purchase expensive looking furniture, and hire attractive secretaries to staff it.

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<v Speaker 1>He would then befriend several bank managers in the city

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<v Speaker 1>and wine and dine them, making sure to show off

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<v Speaker 1>both his offices and his sexy employees. Once they trusted

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<v Speaker 1>him and believed his business was genuine, he would request

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to make a large overdraft, so like

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<v Speaker 1>basically like, hey, I don't have the money now, I

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<v Speaker 1>need you guys to give me a loan and it'll

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<v Speaker 1>like you've seen how successful my businesses. I'll have the

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<v Speaker 1>cash for you soon. Uh. And the bankers would always

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<v Speaker 1>say yes. They would allow him to withdraw huge sums

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<v Speaker 1>of money on credit once he had because he's he's

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<v Speaker 1>done business with them before he sets up accounts. He

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<v Speaker 1>puts money in their banks. It makes it look like

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<v Speaker 1>it's a real business. He winds and dines them. You

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<v Speaker 1>get there like you give them a little and you

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<v Speaker 1>take a long. He has the basic amount of credibility

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<v Speaker 1>to get away with. And it's the same thing why

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<v Speaker 1>Trump works, right. Trump is is like its like seven

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars or something right, because rich guys trust other

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<v Speaker 1>rich guys, and that's the way being rich works. You

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<v Speaker 1>don't put your own money up for risk. You get

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<v Speaker 1>the banks money and like, yeah, so, but he just

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<v Speaker 1>takes the money and runs and he abandons the city,

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<v Speaker 1>his employees and whatever office he'd rented in the process.

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<v Speaker 1>He was caught for one of these schemes in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>fifty three. The Punjab National Bank is the bank that

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<v Speaker 1>he conned. In that instance, he was arrested, but he

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<v Speaker 1>escaped custody. He was later locked up in Delhi for

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<v Speaker 1>the same crime, but disappeared mysteriously again. Details are thin

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<v Speaker 1>on a lot of his escapes, but it's generally accepted

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<v Speaker 1>that he would just bribe the ship out of all

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<v Speaker 1>of his guards. He continued in this vein for more

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<v Speaker 1>than a decade, carrying out countless, count countless cons in

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<v Speaker 1>more cities than most people ever visit in their lifetimes.

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<v Speaker 1>He was arrested again in March of nineteen fifty six

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<v Speaker 1>in the city of Mirut, and once the cops who

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<v Speaker 1>caught him realized who they had, they started reaching out

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<v Speaker 1>to other police agencies across India. After a few days

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<v Speaker 1>of phone calls, they realized the man in their charge

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<v Speaker 1>was wanted by no fewer than thirty five police departments

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<v Speaker 1>and different cities for different schemes. So this is his

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<v Speaker 1>first big bust. And he serves ten months in prison

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<v Speaker 1>in the rout before being transferred to luck Now to

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<v Speaker 1>begin serving time for his crimes in that city. Wait,

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<v Speaker 1>so ten months and then what was the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the sentence. I think he's got like another year or

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<v Speaker 1>something that he's got to do, But he doesn't do

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<v Speaker 1>that year, So he gets transferred to luck Now. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>and one of the cops started saying, the detective who

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<v Speaker 1>obsessed with him works in luck Now and he gets

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<v Speaker 1>to know this guy he's been following during the time

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<v Speaker 1>when not Warlal is in jail there, and Sardar claims

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<v Speaker 1>that not war Laal immediately established himself as a kingpin

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<v Speaker 1>in the jail. He kept access somehow to a huge

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<v Speaker 1>amount of grifted cash, and he was able to hire

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<v Speaker 1>a special cook who made him all of his meals,

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<v Speaker 1>so he has his own private chef in prison. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's Alex. That's a solid plack, Robert. You know what

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<v Speaker 1>else is a solid plex? Uh? That was beautiful that

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<v Speaker 1>the RN x knife missile mean my heart melted. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>check out these products and services that probably go to

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<v Speaker 1>jail in India. Ah, we're back. So that Warlow's in jail.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a kingpin there. He's got a special cook his

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<v Speaker 1>He convinces his guards to give him the right to

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<v Speaker 1>move freely anywhere in the jail he wants to go.

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<v Speaker 1>Bottles of liquor were noted to appeariod appear mysteriously at

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<v Speaker 1>his dining table in the private cell that the guards

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<v Speaker 1>had issued him and his guards refer to him by

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<v Speaker 1>his first name because he is paying all of them

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<v Speaker 1>very well. Taking have access to all this grouptin money.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he's you know, he's got a half of

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<v Speaker 1>his schemes involved creating a ton of bank accounts. He

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<v Speaker 1>has actual bank accounts for his money, but are on

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<v Speaker 1>the outside. He's a good scammer, that's how you do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Taking advantage of his privileged position in the jail, that

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<v Speaker 1>Warlow hatched a scheme to escape. In February of nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>fifty seven. He managed to steal an inspector's uniform and

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<v Speaker 1>literally walk out the front door of the jail. Guards

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<v Speaker 1>saluted him on the way out he disappeared, escaping the

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<v Speaker 1>city and somehow traveling to Allahabad, where he checked into

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<v Speaker 1>a hotel and then opened an account in a local

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<v Speaker 1>bank with a thousand rupees he'd gotten from some forgotten

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<v Speaker 1>con Once he had a bank account, that Warlow forged

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<v Speaker 1>a demand draft letter and used it to withdraw twenty

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<v Speaker 1>thousand rupees he'd never actually had. By the early nineteen seventies,

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<v Speaker 1>the list of criminal cases tied to Nat Warlole had

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<v Speaker 1>had risen to nearly two hundred. He was caught again

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<v Speaker 1>in the city of Kakanada and jailed in nineteen seventy five.

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<v Speaker 1>Now Warlole offered the guard keeping him locked in a

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<v Speaker 1>ten thousand rupees to help him escape. The guard agreed,

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<v Speaker 1>but when he opened the bundle of cash he'd been

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<v Speaker 1>given after letting that Warloal escape, he realized that only

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<v Speaker 1>the bills on the outside of the packet were real

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<v Speaker 1>and the rest were blank paper. Yeah, he's he's He's

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<v Speaker 1>a slick guy. In nineteen eighty, Nat Warlow was arrested

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<v Speaker 1>yet again in Bombay. He was jailed and immediately started

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<v Speaker 1>complaining that he was ill. He was taken to the

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<v Speaker 1>hospital where he was treated for a kidney disorder and

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<v Speaker 1>the urethical problem. After two weeks in the hospital, he

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<v Speaker 1>left in night with a single police constable. Somewhere along

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<v Speaker 1>the way he escaped again, probably via bribery. Now there

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<v Speaker 1>are rumors that Warlow was something of a robin Hood

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<v Speaker 1>figure in his native village of Bihar. There are stories

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<v Speaker 1>of him bestowing fortunes on poor people, and over the

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<v Speaker 1>years a mystique formed around him, helped by the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that he seemed to only conn the wealthy and powerful. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>Warlole is said to have once hosted a feast for

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<v Speaker 1>everyone in his hometown of Bungara, funded it by his pillages,

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<v Speaker 1>and then handed ten thousand rupees to each poor villager

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<v Speaker 1>and disappeared into the night before the cops could catch him.

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<v Speaker 1>It's impossible to say if this is true. Again, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of similar stories about like my cousin pretty

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<v Speaker 1>Boy Floyd, that he would while he was on the run,

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<v Speaker 1>wind up at some poor old ladies farmhouse and she

0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:41.560
<v Speaker 1>would feed him and put him up for the night,

0:21:41.560 --> 0:21:43.880
<v Speaker 1>and in the morning she would wake up, he'd be gone,

0:21:43.880 --> 0:21:45.800
<v Speaker 1>and there'd be like a hundred dollar bill under his

0:21:45.800 --> 0:21:48.800
<v Speaker 1>plate or something, and said that you just said pretty

0:21:48.800 --> 0:21:52.040
<v Speaker 1>boy Floyd and that was that was that was his name. Yeah, okay,

0:21:52.480 --> 0:21:54.240
<v Speaker 1>was one of the great bank robbers of the gangster

0:21:54.320 --> 0:21:58.080
<v Speaker 1>era and also related to Robert Yeah. Yeah, but you said,

0:21:58.080 --> 0:22:02.400
<v Speaker 1>it's just like my cousin pretty my grandma great grandma

0:22:02.400 --> 0:22:04.200
<v Speaker 1>that he was a cousin to. His last name was Barnes.

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<v Speaker 1>But um, what do you think your name is? What

0:22:07.480 --> 0:22:10.159
<v Speaker 1>do you think pretty boy Floyd calls you? I have

0:22:10.280 --> 0:22:12.479
<v Speaker 1>one good story about him, which is that when I

0:22:12.560 --> 0:22:15.520
<v Speaker 1>was in a p English and I think eleventh grade,

0:22:15.920 --> 0:22:17.639
<v Speaker 1>we were doing The Great Gatsby and so we have

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<v Speaker 1>like a unit on like the thirties, the gangster era, thirties,

0:22:22.080 --> 0:22:25.040
<v Speaker 1>and I mentioned that she likes asked if anyone like

0:22:25.119 --> 0:22:28.560
<v Speaker 1>knew any famous gangsters other than like al Capone, and

0:22:28.560 --> 0:22:30.240
<v Speaker 1>I mentioned pretty boy Floyd. She's like, how do you

0:22:30.280 --> 0:22:31.680
<v Speaker 1>know about him? I was like, well, heast my cousin.

0:22:31.720 --> 0:22:34.040
<v Speaker 1>And she's like, really, he shot my grandpa in the

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<v Speaker 1>leg during a banker opery holy sh it. And I

0:22:37.880 --> 0:22:42.000
<v Speaker 1>was like, oh god, I'm so sorry, and she's like, oh, no,

0:22:42.080 --> 0:22:44.359
<v Speaker 1>don't be. He's told him not to move, and my

0:22:44.400 --> 0:22:47.000
<v Speaker 1>grandpa moved, so he shot him in the leg. She

0:22:47.119 --> 0:22:49.720
<v Speaker 1>was like he deserved it. I mean it was a

0:22:49.720 --> 0:22:53.200
<v Speaker 1>bank robbery, you know, it was an insured bank. Well,

0:22:53.400 --> 0:22:59.240
<v Speaker 1>machete man, Robert, you can continue now, okay, So um yeah, again,

0:22:59.280 --> 0:23:01.320
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of story is about con men and

0:23:01.359 --> 0:23:03.639
<v Speaker 1>gangsters and stuff about how how generous. There would be

0:23:03.640 --> 0:23:05.000
<v Speaker 1>a lot of these robin Hood stories, and a lot

0:23:05.080 --> 0:23:07.639
<v Speaker 1>of them are true in that they did bribe poor

0:23:07.680 --> 0:23:10.400
<v Speaker 1>people because number one, it's cheap to buy bribe poor people,

0:23:10.400 --> 0:23:12.920
<v Speaker 1>and number two, it's smart because poor people can hide

0:23:12.960 --> 0:23:14.720
<v Speaker 1>your ass. You know, if you're gonna be going to

0:23:14.760 --> 0:23:16.600
<v Speaker 1>ground a lot, if you're gonna have the cops always

0:23:16.600 --> 0:23:19.520
<v Speaker 1>looking after you, you want little people with farms and

0:23:19.560 --> 0:23:22.680
<v Speaker 1>like slums and stuff to want to hide your ass,

0:23:22.720 --> 0:23:26.640
<v Speaker 1>you know. So again, I'm sure, now Warlald did have

0:23:26.680 --> 0:23:28.960
<v Speaker 1>some robin Hood ship. I'm sure it was also mainly

0:23:29.040 --> 0:23:32.720
<v Speaker 1>so that he didn't get caught, you know, like that's

0:23:32.520 --> 0:23:36.280
<v Speaker 1>it's generally a pretty self served symbiotic relationship. Like they

0:23:36.359 --> 0:23:38.360
<v Speaker 1>liked him because he would seem to be against the man,

0:23:39.040 --> 0:23:41.600
<v Speaker 1>and he liked them because it's really easy to bribe

0:23:41.680 --> 0:23:44.520
<v Speaker 1>poor people, Like a hundred rupees is not a ton

0:23:44.560 --> 0:23:49.000
<v Speaker 1>of money. Um, So whatever the truth of why he

0:23:49.119 --> 0:23:51.800
<v Speaker 1>was giving them cash. A lot of poor people in

0:23:51.800 --> 0:23:54.719
<v Speaker 1>India believed him a hero. A statue was even erected

0:23:54.760 --> 0:23:57.000
<v Speaker 1>in Bongara to honor him. I'm gonna quote from an

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<v Speaker 1>article in The Times of India Crest edition here. Chandraballa YadA,

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<v Speaker 1>a native of Bongara and currently working in the Ministry

0:24:04.600 --> 0:24:06.680
<v Speaker 1>of Commerce in New Delhi, is happy to learn of

0:24:06.720 --> 0:24:08.760
<v Speaker 1>the development of the statue that they're building. He was

0:24:08.800 --> 0:24:11.200
<v Speaker 1>a real hero, he says. He duped hundreds of people

0:24:11.240 --> 0:24:13.560
<v Speaker 1>for scores of rupees, but he helped the poor and

0:24:13.640 --> 0:24:16.159
<v Speaker 1>spent the entire money on them. It's a sentiment that

0:24:16.200 --> 0:24:18.720
<v Speaker 1>finds an amazing echo. It's a matter of privilege for

0:24:18.840 --> 0:24:21.439
<v Speaker 1>us that he was one of us, said sud Hasanu Kumar,

0:24:21.480 --> 0:24:23.919
<v Speaker 1>who grew up on nt war Lal stories. The legend,

0:24:23.960 --> 0:24:26.679
<v Speaker 1>if anything, has only grown. Pan Madi Devi says that

0:24:26.680 --> 0:24:28.760
<v Speaker 1>he has even helped people who have dropped nut War

0:24:28.800 --> 0:24:32.080
<v Speaker 1>Law's name without really knowing him. Recalling an often told incidents,

0:24:32.200 --> 0:24:34.359
<v Speaker 1>she says, once I was traveling in a train from

0:24:34.400 --> 0:24:38.640
<v Speaker 1>Allahabad and the train police was after my life because

0:24:38.640 --> 0:24:40.600
<v Speaker 1>I was traveling in an express train while I had

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<v Speaker 1>a passenger train ticket. He rejected my pleas and was

0:24:43.160 --> 0:24:44.919
<v Speaker 1>adamant that he would have to find or detain me.

0:24:45.200 --> 0:24:47.040
<v Speaker 1>Then I told him, don't you know I belonged to

0:24:47.080 --> 0:24:50.160
<v Speaker 1>that war law's village. Suddenly his demeanor changed and he said,

0:24:50.280 --> 0:24:52.600
<v Speaker 1>oh you hail from that war law's village, then you

0:24:52.640 --> 0:24:56.280
<v Speaker 1>can travel without a ticket, no problem. Well, so who knows?

0:24:56.280 --> 0:24:59.399
<v Speaker 1>That's like? That's that's the like this guy is is huge,

0:24:59.560 --> 0:25:01.760
<v Speaker 1>and that certain parts of India like he is. He

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<v Speaker 1>becomes a folk by by the seventies, he's a folk

0:25:04.280 --> 0:25:07.959
<v Speaker 1>hero um, and he has like a reputation. People respect him,

0:25:08.040 --> 0:25:11.200
<v Speaker 1>people respect him, they like him. Cops don't like him,

0:25:11.280 --> 0:25:14.040
<v Speaker 1>and cops are not happy when he gets a statue.

0:25:13.840 --> 0:25:16.920
<v Speaker 1>But people who aren't cops like him. Um. People who

0:25:16.920 --> 0:25:20.040
<v Speaker 1>aren't cops are rich like him a lot. By nineteen

0:25:20.119 --> 0:25:22.280
<v Speaker 1>seventy nine, he was famous enough to have a major

0:25:22.359 --> 0:25:25.320
<v Speaker 1>Bollywood production made about his life, a movie called Mr.

0:25:25.440 --> 0:25:28.879
<v Speaker 1>Nat Warlow, and the movie bears only the vaguest resemblance

0:25:28.920 --> 0:25:31.160
<v Speaker 1>to his actual life. It was basically in a complete

0:25:31.160 --> 0:25:33.000
<v Speaker 1>work of fantasy, but it was a huge hit and

0:25:33.080 --> 0:25:36.040
<v Speaker 1>it cemented the con man's image in popular culture, and

0:25:36.080 --> 0:25:38.399
<v Speaker 1>he is still conning in nineteen seventy nine, which is

0:25:38.440 --> 0:25:40.359
<v Speaker 1>a great position to be in as a con man

0:25:40.920 --> 0:25:43.440
<v Speaker 1>um that like you're he's like a full bona fied

0:25:43.480 --> 0:25:46.000
<v Speaker 1>folk hero by this point in time. That's so funny

0:25:46.000 --> 0:25:47.760
<v Speaker 1>that the movie was made and he was still doing

0:25:47.800 --> 0:25:51.280
<v Speaker 1>it like it's like exposing it and then he's still going, yeah,

0:25:51.560 --> 0:25:55.880
<v Speaker 1>still going. After breaking out of Kakanada jail in nineteen eighty,

0:25:55.960 --> 0:25:58.400
<v Speaker 1>not Warlole traveled to a different Indian city whose name

0:25:58.400 --> 0:26:00.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm not even going to try to pronounce, Like I

0:26:00.280 --> 0:26:02.960
<v Speaker 1>know my limits on this stuff. He adopted a new

0:26:03.000 --> 0:26:07.000
<v Speaker 1>fake name, Lakshman Narayan and started pretending to be a

0:26:07.040 --> 0:26:10.800
<v Speaker 1>businessman from Bombay. He found a new mark, a sugar dealer,

0:26:10.840 --> 0:26:13.800
<v Speaker 1>and gradually befriended him. Once they established some trust, not

0:26:13.920 --> 0:26:16.640
<v Speaker 1>Warlow put in an order for eighty two thousand rupees

0:26:16.680 --> 0:26:19.000
<v Speaker 1>worth of sugar. He asked it to be delivered to

0:26:19.040 --> 0:26:21.440
<v Speaker 1>his address in Bombay and paid a four thousand rupee

0:26:21.480 --> 0:26:23.520
<v Speaker 1>deposit for the sugar. He promised to pay the rest

0:26:23.600 --> 0:26:26.119
<v Speaker 1>upon delivery. It should be obvious at this point that

0:26:26.119 --> 0:26:28.560
<v Speaker 1>he had no intention of paying his friend back. Instead,

0:26:28.600 --> 0:26:31.320
<v Speaker 1>he traveled to Bombay and met a guy named Mohan Garnani,

0:26:31.560 --> 0:26:35.280
<v Speaker 1>president of the local sugar Merchant's Association. He somehow managed

0:26:35.280 --> 0:26:37.240
<v Speaker 1>to convince Mohan that he was a close friend of

0:26:37.280 --> 0:26:40.360
<v Speaker 1>Mohan's recently deceased uncle. Now that they were buds, nett

0:26:40.400 --> 0:26:43.119
<v Speaker 1>Warlow told Mohan, Hey, I got all this sugar for sale.

0:26:43.160 --> 0:26:45.920
<v Speaker 1>You want it? Mohan said yes, So nett Warlow sold

0:26:45.960 --> 0:26:48.320
<v Speaker 1>him the sugar and took a sixty thousand rupee advance.

0:26:48.600 --> 0:26:50.919
<v Speaker 1>When the rest of the sugar arrived, he waived the

0:26:50.960 --> 0:26:53.280
<v Speaker 1>remainder of the fee that he'd agreed upon, telling Mohan

0:26:53.320 --> 0:26:55.040
<v Speaker 1>that they were going to do more business together and

0:26:55.080 --> 0:26:57.560
<v Speaker 1>he could just adjust the extra into that. Then he

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<v Speaker 1>fled town and continued his conning career for four more years. Now,

0:27:01.920 --> 0:27:04.359
<v Speaker 1>if you look up net Warlow online, you'll find that

0:27:04.400 --> 0:27:06.920
<v Speaker 1>he is most famously referred to as the man who

0:27:06.960 --> 0:27:09.000
<v Speaker 1>sold the taj Mahal, Which is why I'm putting him

0:27:09.000 --> 0:27:11.320
<v Speaker 1>with listing in this because they both sold a bunch

0:27:11.359 --> 0:27:13.200
<v Speaker 1>of a bunch of like. He didn't just sell the

0:27:13.280 --> 0:27:15.280
<v Speaker 1>taj Mahal. He sold the Red Fort, which is this

0:27:15.520 --> 0:27:19.679
<v Speaker 1>massive beautiful building in Jaipur, and he sold the Indian

0:27:19.720 --> 0:27:23.520
<v Speaker 1>House of Parliament Um, he's very famous for this, and

0:27:23.800 --> 0:27:26.040
<v Speaker 1>that is I wanted that the parliament was pretty interesting

0:27:26.040 --> 0:27:29.119
<v Speaker 1>to me. But yeah, they both sold these like world wonders. Yeah,

0:27:29.359 --> 0:27:31.040
<v Speaker 1>it turns out to be a great con, and we

0:27:31.040 --> 0:27:33.679
<v Speaker 1>will talk about how they did it. But first, you

0:27:33.720 --> 0:27:36.639
<v Speaker 1>know what else is a great con? Sharine, I was

0:27:36.960 --> 0:27:39.919
<v Speaker 1>just gonna say, capitalism in general, fucking incredible con and

0:27:40.000 --> 0:27:48.880
<v Speaker 1>ad breaks. We're back. So the story of how net

0:27:48.920 --> 0:27:52.359
<v Speaker 1>Warl sold the taj Mahal. So unfortunately, for as wild

0:27:52.359 --> 0:27:54.680
<v Speaker 1>as a story as this is, there's not a whole

0:27:54.720 --> 0:27:56.840
<v Speaker 1>lot of hard details. It seems to have been. This

0:27:56.880 --> 0:27:58.400
<v Speaker 1>is a con he pulled off, a butt he sold.

0:27:58.400 --> 0:28:00.000
<v Speaker 1>We don't know how many times he sold the tosh

0:28:00.040 --> 0:28:02.199
<v Speaker 1>the Hall. He did it regularly. This was like a

0:28:02.320 --> 0:28:04.280
<v Speaker 1>thing that he would do. So he would he would

0:28:04.480 --> 0:28:06.680
<v Speaker 1>dress up as a government official and he would find

0:28:06.720 --> 0:28:09.560
<v Speaker 1>wealthy foreign tourists on vacation going to like see the

0:28:09.600 --> 0:28:11.880
<v Speaker 1>taj Mahal, and he would have like meals with them

0:28:11.880 --> 0:28:13.880
<v Speaker 1>and launch into conversations with them, and then he would

0:28:13.920 --> 0:28:16.120
<v Speaker 1>he would kind of do the Eiffel Tower thing, like yeah,

0:28:16.160 --> 0:28:18.520
<v Speaker 1>it's pretty, but it's a bit to upkeep. It's very

0:28:18.520 --> 0:28:21.000
<v Speaker 1>expensive keeping this taj Mahal thing go on, like keeping

0:28:21.000 --> 0:28:23.040
<v Speaker 1>the red for it. It It takes so much money. We're

0:28:23.119 --> 0:28:25.680
<v Speaker 1>kind of looking to offload it. You think it's pretty right.

0:28:25.680 --> 0:28:27.360
<v Speaker 1>You look like you got some money. Do you wanna?

0:28:27.400 --> 0:28:29.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know we we could sell this to

0:28:29.520 --> 0:28:31.479
<v Speaker 1>you if you're willing to put down a down payment

0:28:31.560 --> 0:28:33.080
<v Speaker 1>right now, like this could be yours. You can make

0:28:33.119 --> 0:28:35.200
<v Speaker 1>all of this tourism money a little bit upkeep and

0:28:35.240 --> 0:28:38.400
<v Speaker 1>it will be profitable again. Um. And it just works

0:28:38.440 --> 0:28:42.760
<v Speaker 1>a bunch. Yeah, this works a bunch. Um. And he

0:28:42.880 --> 0:28:45.720
<v Speaker 1>also at some point sells the Indian House of Parliament,

0:28:45.760 --> 0:28:48.080
<v Speaker 1>and most versions of the story sell say he sells

0:28:48.080 --> 0:28:51.400
<v Speaker 1>it complete with parliamentarians. I honestly have no idea what

0:28:51.440 --> 0:28:54.520
<v Speaker 1>that can mean. Um, maybe that like, yeah, it's one

0:28:54.560 --> 0:28:57.000
<v Speaker 1>of those things. There's so many stories about this guy.

0:28:57.040 --> 0:28:59.720
<v Speaker 1>He definitely con some rich people into buying the taj

0:28:59.800 --> 0:29:01.840
<v Speaker 1>Mahal all in the red Fort and some other I

0:29:01.880 --> 0:29:04.360
<v Speaker 1>don't know about the parliament thing. There's just not enough

0:29:04.400 --> 0:29:06.120
<v Speaker 1>to tails about it, or at least not that I

0:29:06.120 --> 0:29:08.760
<v Speaker 1>can find in English. I mean, you gotta respect conning

0:29:08.840 --> 0:29:12.680
<v Speaker 1>dumb rich people. It's it's it's beautiful. Yeah, that's how

0:29:12.720 --> 0:29:16.840
<v Speaker 1>you get a Bollywood movie made about Yeah. So depending

0:29:16.880 --> 0:29:19.000
<v Speaker 1>on where you read about nat War Lal, you'll either

0:29:19.040 --> 0:29:21.240
<v Speaker 1>hear that he had ten successful jail breaks. At the

0:29:21.240 --> 0:29:24.840
<v Speaker 1>Firing of Things sixty in nineteen four, he was caught again,

0:29:24.960 --> 0:29:27.720
<v Speaker 1>this time because he literally bumped into the director of

0:29:27.760 --> 0:29:30.959
<v Speaker 1>police for the city of Indoor at a train station.

0:29:31.400 --> 0:29:33.760
<v Speaker 1>He was arrested and charged for three pending cases in

0:29:33.760 --> 0:29:36.320
<v Speaker 1>that city and sentenced to twenty six years in prison.

0:29:37.160 --> 0:29:40.320
<v Speaker 1>So he was supposed to be like this. The story

0:29:40.360 --> 0:29:42.160
<v Speaker 1>of this escape is he was supposed to be transferred

0:29:42.160 --> 0:29:44.400
<v Speaker 1>from luck Now to the old Delhi rail station and

0:29:44.400 --> 0:29:46.000
<v Speaker 1>there was a big crowd at the station because he's

0:29:46.040 --> 0:29:47.720
<v Speaker 1>famous and they all want to see this famous Khan

0:29:47.760 --> 0:29:50.480
<v Speaker 1>man get led away to prison. So he's also a

0:29:50.560 --> 0:29:52.240
<v Speaker 1>kind of a sicker old man at this point, and

0:29:52.240 --> 0:29:54.720
<v Speaker 1>he asks the soldier guarding him to get a medicine

0:29:54.720 --> 0:29:56.920
<v Speaker 1>pill from like to go get like, like, I don't

0:29:56.920 --> 0:29:58.280
<v Speaker 1>have any money, I need you to go to the

0:29:58.280 --> 0:30:00.560
<v Speaker 1>pharmacy nearby and pick up some medicine because I'm like,

0:30:00.560 --> 0:30:03.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm sick right now. Uh, And I'll pay you guys

0:30:03.240 --> 0:30:06.840
<v Speaker 1>back later um. And the soldier goes to get the medicine,

0:30:06.880 --> 0:30:08.680
<v Speaker 1>and a couple of cops stand there to guard him

0:30:08.680 --> 0:30:11.680
<v Speaker 1>while the soldiers gone. Um, and then that Wila asked

0:30:11.720 --> 0:30:14.200
<v Speaker 1>one of the cops to go get water for him. Um.

0:30:14.240 --> 0:30:17.160
<v Speaker 1>And then while like so eventually basically sends each of

0:30:17.160 --> 0:30:19.239
<v Speaker 1>these guys away, one after the other, and then just

0:30:19.280 --> 0:30:22.680
<v Speaker 1>like fucking runs off, goes into the crowd and escapes

0:30:23.200 --> 0:30:25.920
<v Speaker 1>and all three of the policeman It's probably he just

0:30:25.960 --> 0:30:28.240
<v Speaker 1>bribes them again. Like, none of the versions of this

0:30:28.400 --> 0:30:31.000
<v Speaker 1>escape make much sense. I think he's paying these guys off.

0:30:31.040 --> 0:30:36.080
<v Speaker 1>The talks money talks, and I think that yeah, and

0:30:36.120 --> 0:30:38.800
<v Speaker 1>the con man walks, and he walks again. He was

0:30:38.880 --> 0:30:42.160
<v Speaker 1>finally caught for the last time in the mid nineteen nineties,

0:30:42.240 --> 0:30:44.120
<v Speaker 1>and he was well into his eighties at this point.

0:30:44.440 --> 0:30:46.640
<v Speaker 1>He goes to trial and he's brought before a judge,

0:30:46.640 --> 0:30:50.560
<v Speaker 1>who clearly somewhat star struck, asks him how he convinced

0:30:50.600 --> 0:30:53.320
<v Speaker 1>so many successful people to part with their money. Now,

0:30:53.400 --> 0:30:56.840
<v Speaker 1>wil replies, your honnor, I charge a fee to teach people.

0:30:57.120 --> 0:30:59.040
<v Speaker 1>Give me a hundred rupees that I will be glad

0:30:59.080 --> 0:31:02.960
<v Speaker 1>happy to tell you this secret of how I caught him.

0:31:03.000 --> 0:31:05.680
<v Speaker 1>So the judge. The judge hands him the money and

0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:08.680
<v Speaker 1>that Alo smiles and tells him that's how you do it.

0:31:09.520 --> 0:31:16.560
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. Yeah, yeah, everybody likes him, you know. Yeah,

0:31:17.120 --> 0:31:20.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if baffled that after the movie came out,

0:31:20.080 --> 0:31:22.120
<v Speaker 1>he was still able to calm people. Yeah, because the

0:31:22.120 --> 0:31:25.320
<v Speaker 1>movie didn't tell any of his real cons like oh

0:31:25.640 --> 0:31:31.200
<v Speaker 1>but but but yeah, he had something like sixty different aliases.

0:31:31.280 --> 0:31:34.120
<v Speaker 1>He's he's disguising himself and sight he will usually find

0:31:34.120 --> 0:31:36.800
<v Speaker 1>out later. I got I got by net Warlow, you know,

0:31:37.960 --> 0:31:41.720
<v Speaker 1>and I don't. I don't know. Yeah, I can't confirm

0:31:41.840 --> 0:31:43.760
<v Speaker 1>that the story with the judge is true. I found

0:31:43.800 --> 0:31:45.760
<v Speaker 1>it on a blog, but it's clearly it's a story

0:31:45.760 --> 0:31:47.520
<v Speaker 1>that I found on a couple of sketchy blogs. So

0:31:47.560 --> 0:31:49.480
<v Speaker 1>it's a story people tell about him, you know, Like,

0:31:49.520 --> 0:31:51.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. He's a legend at this point. He's

0:31:51.960 --> 0:31:54.440
<v Speaker 1>he's a folk hero in India. You know. He's definitely

0:31:54.480 --> 0:31:57.080
<v Speaker 1>a real guy, definitely conned to people. Hard to say

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what he did. He's like the ASoP. He's like

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<v Speaker 1>the ASoP of of Indian con He escaped for the

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<v Speaker 1>last time in nineteen nineties six, when he was being

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<v Speaker 1>taken to the hospital again He was wheelchair bound at

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<v Speaker 1>this point, and he wound up again at the Delhi

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<v Speaker 1>train station, so he shouldn't have been able to escape,

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<v Speaker 1>but he did. And I found a contemporary India Today

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<v Speaker 1>article that explained in as much detail as I've been

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<v Speaker 1>able to find, how Warlow eighty four, who had been

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<v Speaker 1>brought up from Kanpoor Jail to the Jet Capitals All

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<v Speaker 1>India Institute of Medical Sciences for a checkup, seized his

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<v Speaker 1>chance when only the jail sweeper was left to guard him.

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<v Speaker 1>After the policeman went to deposit his wheelchair, he asked

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<v Speaker 1>for tea, and when the sweeper went to get a cup,

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<v Speaker 1>he's simply vanished. We don't know when nat Warloal died.

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<v Speaker 1>His brother claims nineteen ninety six. His lawyer claims two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand nine. He was eighty four during his last prison escape,

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<v Speaker 1>so he's certainly deaf. Eighty four. He doesn't get caught again,

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<v Speaker 1>so he dies a free man. You know, I respect

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<v Speaker 1>that so much. You gotta respect the guy, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>old man. Yeah, and he still doesn't it still got it?

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<v Speaker 1>I respect that. What a hero. You gotta respect that Warlow,

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<v Speaker 1>at least based on honestly the fact that we don't

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<v Speaker 1>know for sure, just enhances the legendariness. Absolutely. Yeah, that

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<v Speaker 1>you get two different people who should know the truth,

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<v Speaker 1>telling different stories. Well, Sharie, and that's the end of

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<v Speaker 1>our quick little tale about not Warlow. How are you feeling?

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for the last I gotta tell

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<v Speaker 1>you I said this last time last time as far

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<v Speaker 1>as like the previous episode that we just did, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm it's very These ones were fun. You know, every

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<v Speaker 1>time we do the show, I'm low key terrified because

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to sound dumb. But also last time, no,

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<v Speaker 1>two times ago it was it was very intense time,

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<v Speaker 1>but this was so fun. I almost want to come

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<v Speaker 1>back again. Next time it's gonna be like genocide or

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<v Speaker 1>child molestation or child molesting genociders. Um, I will promise

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<v Speaker 1>you that. All right, friends and enemies follow you on

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<v Speaker 1>oh and then uh Twitter is shier Hero six six

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<v Speaker 1>persons thant give enough Shero Hero yet? But also I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of I'm leading into the six six six. I

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<v Speaker 1>like it so yeah, yeah, it's it's now's the time

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<v Speaker 1>if there's any Also, by Strains, a book of poetry.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks Amazon. I don't want to support Amazon, so if

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<v Speaker 1>you want a coffee, you can like vendle me something

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<v Speaker 1>and I can send you a PDF. But I'm working

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<v Speaker 1>on another one right now. Hopefully I can publish this

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<v Speaker 1>scene hopefully. Anyway, thanks again, imm