WEBVTT - The Witch of the Ottoman Empire

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<v Speaker 1>would like to begin today's episode by reading you part

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<v Speaker 1>of a poem. My intimate companion, my one and all,

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<v Speaker 1>Sovereign of all beauties, my Sultan, my life, the gift

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<v Speaker 1>I own, my be all, the elixir of paradise, my eden,

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<v Speaker 1>my spring, my joy, my glittering day. We've done a

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<v Speaker 1>number of episodes that have cameos from Lord Byron, but

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<v Speaker 1>this isn't his work, nor is it a poem by

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<v Speaker 1>Shelley or Keats, or Naruda or Dickinson. Instead, these are

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<v Speaker 1>the words of Suliman the Magnificent, the longest reigning sultan

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<v Speaker 1>of the Ottoman Empire. It was under his rule that

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<v Speaker 1>the Ottoman Golden Age of art and culture was ushered in.

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<v Speaker 1>He himself was both a poet and a goldsmith. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you've listened to countless other episodes of this show,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll know that most royal marriages don't reflect the poetic

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<v Speaker 1>kind of connection above. While there are some exceptions, most

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<v Speaker 1>sovereigns end up in practical, if not completely loveless arrangements

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<v Speaker 1>Suliman is a particular exception to this rule, because not

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<v Speaker 1>only was his marriage a love match, it was unprecedented politically.

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<v Speaker 1>While not technically queen, he granted his wife a brand

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<v Speaker 1>new title, Haseki Sultan, to indicate her new dynastic position

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<v Speaker 1>and importance. What was even more unusual about their marriage

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<v Speaker 1>was that his wife was not a noble. She wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>even native to the Empire. Instead, she was originally the

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<v Speaker 1>Emperor's favorite concubine, a former slave taken from her home

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<v Speaker 1>in Ruthenia, located in modern day Ukraine. As a young

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<v Speaker 1>captive in a foreign land, she was given the name Krem,

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<v Speaker 1>the Persian word for joyful or laughing, but today she's

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<v Speaker 1>better known by the name that Europeans gave her, Roxillana,

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<v Speaker 1>meaning the maiden from Ruthenia. Suleiman's love for rock Salana

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<v Speaker 1>not only provided her with comfort, safety, and luxury, but

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<v Speaker 1>in a great shock to the Ottoman's real political influence,

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<v Speaker 1>she was an advisor and a diplomat as well as

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<v Speaker 1>a patron that helped her husband bring about the Empire's

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<v Speaker 1>golden age. If you were to believe the content of

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<v Speaker 1>her surviving love letters, her devotion to her husband was

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<v Speaker 1>equal to that of the one he poeticized. However, it

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<v Speaker 1>is important to remember that even though she was granted

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<v Speaker 1>her freedom before their marriage, it was at Suliman's behest,

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<v Speaker 1>and becoming the Sultan's lover in the first place was

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<v Speaker 1>not rock Salana's choice to make. The only first hand

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<v Speaker 1>insight we have into Roxalana's thoughts and feelings comes from

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<v Speaker 1>those few surviving letters, which simply doesn't provide us enough

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<v Speaker 1>context to know her entire headspace. Naturally, Roxalana's rise from

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<v Speaker 1>slave to adviser aroused plenty of anger and suspicion, with

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<v Speaker 1>accusations of witchcraft being particularly popular. Rumors would only intensify

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<v Speaker 1>after a series of tragedies towards the end of Suleiman's reign,

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<v Speaker 1>but his beloved never fell from his grace. While a

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<v Speaker 1>number of European plays and stories would go on to

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<v Speaker 1>portray Roxalanna as a scheming sorceress, there's really no evidence

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<v Speaker 1>of ill intentions. She might not have been really a witch,

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<v Speaker 1>but whether or not a literal spell was cast, Roxalanna's

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<v Speaker 1>journey from enslaved girl to the Ottoman Empire's most powerful

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<v Speaker 1>woman can sound like something straight out of a fantasy novel.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Danish Schwartz and this is noble blood. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>degree of mystery surrounding Roxalanna's origins, but today it's widely

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<v Speaker 1>accepted that the future Hesseki Sultan was born in Ruthenia,

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<v Speaker 1>an area that now encompasses western Ukraine, but during Roxalana's

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<v Speaker 1>time it was under the rule of the Polish king. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>Ukrainian legend says her birth name was either Anastasia or

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<v Speaker 1>Alexandra Lisowska, but there's no definitive evidence of that. She

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<v Speaker 1>was born during a dark period for her homeland. Around

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen seventy five, the Ottoman Sultan Mehmed the Conqueror defeated

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<v Speaker 1>Venice and Genoa for control of the Black Sea slave trade.

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<v Speaker 1>Following that victory, he made a vassal of the Khan

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<v Speaker 1>of the Crimean Tatars, whose economy would be sustained through

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<v Speaker 1>slave trade with Istanbul. A significant portion of the people

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<v Speaker 1>they enslaved were taken from Ruthenia. Roxalana was likely captured

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<v Speaker 1>in fifteen sixteen during a Tatar raid in which the

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<v Speaker 1>region lost between an estimated anywhere from five thousand to

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<v Speaker 1>forty thousand men, women and children. She would have only

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<v Speaker 1>been around thirteen at the time. Captives were marched in

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<v Speaker 1>chain all the way to Kafa, a settlement on the

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<v Speaker 1>coast of the Black Sea, also located in modern day Ukraine.

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<v Speaker 1>From there, most were loaded on two vessels that would

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<v Speaker 1>take them to Istanbul, the largest market in the region

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<v Speaker 1>of the slave market, an Ottoman courtier wrote, quote, a

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<v Speaker 1>man who has not seen this market has seen nothing

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<v Speaker 1>in this world. There a mother is severed from her

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<v Speaker 1>son and daughter, a son from his father and brother,

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<v Speaker 1>and they are sold among lamentations, cries of help, weeping

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<v Speaker 1>and sorrow. It was amidst this horror that Roxalana was sold,

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<v Speaker 1>But to whom specifically we don't know. She could have

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<v Speaker 1>been purchased by someone directly in the palace, but the

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<v Speaker 1>story circulating at the time claimed that she was a

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<v Speaker 1>gift to Suliman upon his ascension as ruler in fifteen twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>In that case, she could have been bought by a

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<v Speaker 1>wealthy or prominent household with ties to court, hoping to

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<v Speaker 1>earn favor if their gift became the Sultan's new favorite.

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<v Speaker 1>One rumor alleged that it was one of Suliman's sisters

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<v Speaker 1>who found Roxalana from him, while other sources say she

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<v Speaker 1>came from his trusted friend and adviser Ibrahim. The reason

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<v Speaker 1>there are many probablys and most Likeli's in Roxalana's origin

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<v Speaker 1>story is by design. The concubines in the Sultan's imperial

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<v Speaker 1>Harem were chiefly enslaved women, and the majority of them

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<v Speaker 1>were originally Christian from varying regions and ethnic backgrounds. As

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<v Speaker 1>you can imagine, the specific origins of the concubines were

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<v Speaker 1>not documented, erased in service of loyalty and dependence on

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<v Speaker 1>the Sultan, it was a new start from a young age.

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<v Speaker 1>Enslaved girls chosen for the harem lived at the Old Palace,

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<v Speaker 1>which was the home of the court's women, while the

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<v Speaker 1>men lived in the New Palace. At the Old Palace,

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<v Speaker 1>the girls were educated by palace staff and teachers. They

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<v Speaker 1>were converted to Islam, taught the principles of the religion

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<v Speaker 1>and Turkish language, the expectations of Ottoman women, and proper

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<v Speaker 1>palace etiquette. The sharpest students could one day be eligible

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<v Speaker 1>for the role of concubine and potential mother of any

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<v Speaker 1>future ruler, So no matter how oh exactly Roxalana arrived

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<v Speaker 1>at the palace. It's clear that once she did, she

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<v Speaker 1>stood out exceptionally. It also seemed to be that it

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<v Speaker 1>was less so her looks, but rather her personality and

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<v Speaker 1>charm that caught the new twenty six year old ruler's attention.

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<v Speaker 1>The Venetian ambassador during the early years of Suleiman's reign

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<v Speaker 1>reported that the Sultan's budding favorite was quote young but

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<v Speaker 1>not beautiful, although graceful and petite. If we recall her

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<v Speaker 1>Ottoman name Harem, meaning joyful, we can understand her favorable qualities.

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<v Speaker 1>The Venetian ambassadors at the Sultan's court are often our

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<v Speaker 1>best source for details about life inside the palace, as

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lack of Ottoman writing about the women of

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<v Speaker 1>the Harem. From that same ambassador's writings, we learn quote

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<v Speaker 1>the Grand Turk chooses whoever pleases him the most, and

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<v Speaker 1>keeps her separate for two months and amuses himself with

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<v Speaker 1>her as he pleases. If she becomes pregnant, he takes

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<v Speaker 1>her as his consort. Rock Sillana evidently pleased Suliman greatly

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<v Speaker 1>after she was presented to him in fifteen twenty. It

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't be long before their intimate relationship began. Before she

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<v Speaker 1>was even brought to the Old Palace to begin her training,

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<v Speaker 1>it would have been confirmed that rock Salana was a virgin.

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<v Speaker 1>In addition to her training in etiquette, religion, language, and art,

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<v Speaker 1>she would have been prepared for the moment the Sultan

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<v Speaker 1>may invite her to his chambers. There were protocols for

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<v Speaker 1>approaching and addressing him. She would be escorted to his

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<v Speaker 1>room by eunuchs, her eyes downcast. The knight would either

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<v Speaker 1>end with a polite dismissal from Suliman or a repeat invitation.

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<v Speaker 1>If she became pregnant that night or any night following,

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<v Speaker 1>her position with the Ottoman Empire, and her safety would

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<v Speaker 1>be secured. We can speak of the material weight of

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<v Speaker 1>these outcomes, but we just don't know anything about the

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<v Speaker 1>emotional weight of that first night. Was she afraid, determined, pleased, disgusted, numb,

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<v Speaker 1>a mix of all of it. We can be assured

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<v Speaker 1>that the Suleiman at least had a very good night

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<v Speaker 1>and the relationship continued. Roxalana gave birth to their first son, Mehmed,

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<v Speaker 1>in fifteen twenty one, when she was likely around seventeen

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<v Speaker 1>years old. The phrase first son was until that point unprecedented,

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<v Speaker 1>as it implied a concubine would bear the sultan more

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<v Speaker 1>than one possible heir. Ottoman policy declared one mother, one son.

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<v Speaker 1>There was no limit to how many daughters a concubine

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<v Speaker 1>could have with a sultan, but once she gave birth

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<v Speaker 1>to a son, this sexual relationship ended. The idea was

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<v Speaker 1>that each potential heir to the throne would have the

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<v Speaker 1>undivided attention of his mother to best prepare him for

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<v Speaker 1>his future. Ottoman succession differed from most major monarchies in

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<v Speaker 1>that the first born son did not automatically inherit the throne.

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<v Speaker 1>All living sons had a shot in a game of

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<v Speaker 1>survival of the fittest. Mehmed was the first child born

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<v Speaker 1>during Suliman's reign as sultan, but he was Suliman's fifth

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<v Speaker 1>child overall. However, while rox Salana was pregnant or shortly

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<v Speaker 1>after she gave birth, tragedy struck. Suleiman lost his eldest son,

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<v Speaker 1>his second eldest son, and his daughter in rapid succession,

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<v Speaker 1>likely to a plague. His only surviving child until Mehmed

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<v Speaker 1>was another son, Mustapha, the son of the favorite before

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<v Speaker 1>Roxalana's arrival, a woman named Mahadevron. The timing of these

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<v Speaker 1>events meant that Roxalana's status shifted dramatically in a short

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<v Speaker 1>amount of time. First the status boost that came with

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<v Speaker 1>carrying the Sultan's child, then the additional boost that came

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<v Speaker 1>with the child being a boy, and finally an even

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<v Speaker 1>greater boost when her infant son became one of only

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<v Speaker 1>two remaining living heirs. Mehmid's birth also changed his mother's

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<v Speaker 1>legal status. She was now um al awad, or mother

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<v Speaker 1>of a child. While this did not grant her her freedom,

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<v Speaker 1>it meant that she could not be sold or given away,

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<v Speaker 1>and she would automatically gain her freedom upon the death

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<v Speaker 1>of her master. As noted by the Venetian ambassador, when

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<v Speaker 1>a woman gave birth to the Sultan's child, quote, her

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<v Speaker 1>salary is increased, or rather, she is now given a

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<v Speaker 1>spending stipend quote, and she is honored and elevated above

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<v Speaker 1>the others and is served as a lady. The ambassador

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<v Speaker 1>also explained the role of the royal concubine in her

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<v Speaker 1>child's life. Quote. If she gives birth to a son,

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<v Speaker 1>the boy is raised by his mother until the age

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<v Speaker 1>of ten or eleven. Then the Grand Turk gives him

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<v Speaker 1>a province and sends his mother with him. As we know, however,

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<v Speaker 1>things would play out differently for Rock Salana, who would

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<v Speaker 1>remain by her husband's or future husband's side. Breaking protocol.

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<v Speaker 1>Suleiman invited Rock Salana back to his chambers after she

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<v Speaker 1>gave birth to a son, and she was pregnant once

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<v Speaker 1>again by early fifteen twenty two. We don't know. We're

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<v Speaker 1>sure what prompted the rekindling of their relationship. Did they

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<v Speaker 1>feel a mutual connection from the start, or was Rock

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<v Speaker 1>Salana manipulating Suliman reluctant to share the power that she

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<v Speaker 1>had gained through Mehmet's birth. We can't answer those questions,

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<v Speaker 1>but we know their daughter, Mirima, was born in the

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<v Speaker 1>fall of that year, followed over the next few years

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<v Speaker 1>by the birth of their son Salim Abdullah and Bazid,

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<v Speaker 1>and later an additional son. Suliman was often away on

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<v Speaker 1>military campaigns during the pregnancies, but it was always Rock

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<v Speaker 1>Solana whom he returned home to. It was clear to

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<v Speaker 1>those inside and outside the palace that not only did

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<v Speaker 1>the Sultan have a new favorite, he was downright monogamous.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't have records of Suliman and Roxalana's correspondence from

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<v Speaker 1>these early years. Those will come later, so we have

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<v Speaker 1>to rely on outside sources and conjecture to understand what

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<v Speaker 1>their relationship might have been like at this time. Thankfully,

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<v Speaker 1>the Venetians in court loved to gossip. In fifteen twenty

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<v Speaker 1>two we see claims that the Sultan was very lustful,

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<v Speaker 1>but by fifteen twenty four those shift, arguing that the

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<v Speaker 1>signor is not lustful, rather devoted to a single woman.

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<v Speaker 1>In fifteen twenty six, the ambassador notes that the Sultan

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<v Speaker 1>no longer paid attention to the mother of his eldest son,

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<v Speaker 1>the former favorite, but gave all his affection to quote

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<v Speaker 1>another woman of the Russian nation, namely rock Sollana. Among

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<v Speaker 1>the public, it's possible that this is the time during

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<v Speaker 1>which the rumors of Roxalanna's sorcery begin to germinate, as

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<v Speaker 1>there had never been a sultan committed to monogamy before. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>even in the fifteen twenties, people were doing a polyamory discourse.

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<v Speaker 1>Subjects feared the sultan's devotion to his favorite concubine would

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<v Speaker 1>be a distraction from his duty, which they saw as

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<v Speaker 1>defending the borders from enemy threats. Additionally, they supported the

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<v Speaker 1>system of succession as it functioned, and believed in the

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<v Speaker 1>tradition that each prince should have one devoted mother as

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<v Speaker 1>his personal adviser. Suleiman's mother, Hafsa, remained a trusted adviser

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<v Speaker 1>even after her son's ascension, and she was responsible for

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<v Speaker 1>spearheading the construction of a massive public mosque complex, alongside

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<v Speaker 1>staying up to date with political affairs and maintaining her

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<v Speaker 1>own network of informants. Roxalana would later follow in her

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<v Speaker 1>mother in law's footsteps. A story emerged around this time

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<v Speaker 1>that shines some light on rock Salana's feelings and or

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<v Speaker 1>tactics for ensuring her own continued survival and comfort in

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<v Speaker 1>the palace. As reported by the ambassador, quote, the Sultan

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<v Speaker 1>was given two beautiful Russian maidens by a provincial governor,

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<v Speaker 1>one for his mother and one for him. When they

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<v Speaker 1>arrived in the palace, his second wife, wife meaning favorite

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<v Speaker 1>here whom he esteems at present, became extremely unhappy and

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<v Speaker 1>flung herself to the ground weeping. The ambassador then noted

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<v Speaker 1>the reaction of Hafsa and the Sultan himself as they

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<v Speaker 1>attempted to ease rock Salana's sadness. Quote. The mother who

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<v Speaker 1>had given her maiden to the Sultan was sorry about

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<v Speaker 1>what she had done, took her back and sent her

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<v Speaker 1>to one of the governors as wife, and the Sultan

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<v Speaker 1>agreed to send his to another governor because his wife

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<v Speaker 1>would have perished from sorrow if these maidens, or even

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<v Speaker 1>one of them, had remained in the palace. Whether Roxalana

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<v Speaker 1>gave an Academy award winning performance or if she truly

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<v Speaker 1>was so attached to Suliman, she certainly was not the

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<v Speaker 1>first concubine to experience jealousy. The uniqueness here is how

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<v Speaker 1>both Hafsa, the head of the house, and Suliman himself

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<v Speaker 1>not only acquiesced to Roxalana's emotional needs but felt remorse.

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<v Speaker 1>These are the two most powerful people in the empire,

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<v Speaker 1>and Roxalana's feelings were clearly important to both of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Our first surviving letters from the couple come from fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>twenty six. My Sultan, there is no limit to the

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<v Speaker 1>burning anguish of separation. Roxalana's earliest surviving letter concludes, now

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<v Speaker 1>spare this miserable one and do not withhold your noble letters,

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<v Speaker 1>let my soul gain at least some comfort. The poetry

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<v Speaker 1>of her letters also takes inspiration from Islamic tradition. Quote

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<v Speaker 1>oh you with the face of Yusef and words sweet

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<v Speaker 1>as candy she writes to her lover. Based on the

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<v Speaker 1>penmanship these letters were written by a Harem scribe, and

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<v Speaker 1>Roxalana's Turkish was not at the level of composing stanzas,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's probable she dictated what sentiments to include. The

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<v Speaker 1>comparison of her lover to Yusef, the counterpart of Joseph,

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<v Speaker 1>for those more familiar with the Hebrew or Christian Bible,

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<v Speaker 1>takes on a level of irony when considering the story

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<v Speaker 1>of Zuleka, or Potiphar's wife in the Hebrew tradition of

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<v Speaker 1>the story. While Potiphar's wife is known traditionally as a

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<v Speaker 1>seductress and a villainous, a number of great Muslim poets

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<v Speaker 1>Roxalana would have been familiar with saw Zuleika's lust for

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<v Speaker 1>Joseph as the soul's lust for God. After fifteen twenty six,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lull in information regarding rock Salana, but she

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<v Speaker 1>becomes a subject of great interest again in fifteen thirty four,

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<v Speaker 1>as the result of a shocking revelation. A journal entry

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<v Speaker 1>from the Genoese Bank of Saint George in Istambul reads quote,

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<v Speaker 1>this week, there has occurred in this city a most

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<v Speaker 1>extraordinary event, one absolutely unprecedented in the history of the sultans.

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<v Speaker 1>The Grand Signor Suliman has taken to himself as his empress,

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<v Speaker 1>a slave woman from Russia called rock Salana, and the

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<v Speaker 1>festivities have been beyond all record. At night, the principal

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<v Speaker 1>streets were gaily illuminated, and there is much music and feasting.

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<v Speaker 1>The houses are festooned with garlands, and there are everywhere

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<v Speaker 1>swings in which the people swing by the hour with

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<v Speaker 1>great enjoyment. There is great talk about the marriage, and

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<v Speaker 1>none can say what it means. It was an accurate statement.

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<v Speaker 1>Who could say what it meant for a sultan to

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<v Speaker 1>marry his concubine. Roxalana, by this point was technically no

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<v Speaker 1>longer his concubine either. He had granted her her freedom

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<v Speaker 1>before they married, not to mention the fact that a

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<v Speaker 1>sultan had not been married at all in over one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred years. Political marriages used to be common, but ceased

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<v Speaker 1>by the fifteenth century. The marriage broke a collection of

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<v Speaker 1>traditions all at once. Timing wise, we know the marriage

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<v Speaker 1>of Roxalana and Suliman likely followed the passing of Suliman's mother, Hafsa,

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<v Speaker 1>who herself did not gain her freedom until the death

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<v Speaker 1>of her master, Suliman's father. It would have been disrespectful

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<v Speaker 1>to Hafsa, the highest ranking woman of the empire, for

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<v Speaker 1>Suliman to elevate ro Sollana's position while the queen mother lived.

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<v Speaker 1>Elevating Roxalana through marriage also served a political purpose for Suliman.

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<v Speaker 1>He was about to embark on a long military campaign

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<v Speaker 1>in Iran, and he needed trustworthy eyes and ears in

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<v Speaker 1>Istanbul now that his mother was gone. So there were

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<v Speaker 1>the political reasons, and then there were the personal. Suliman

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<v Speaker 1>was devoted to Roxalana and was legitimizing her position as

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<v Speaker 1>the mother of his children and a woman of exceptional status.

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<v Speaker 1>Upon the marriage, she relocated to the new palace, becoming

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<v Speaker 1>the first woman to do so. She would move with

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<v Speaker 1>her entourage and the now thirteen year old Memate, and

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<v Speaker 1>Suliman surely wanted both of them to be closer to

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<v Speaker 1>the political heart of the empire. From a Venetian observer.

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<v Speaker 1>We learned that Ra Roxallana's quarters were splendid with chapels, baths, gardens,

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<v Speaker 1>and other amenities, not only for herself but for her

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<v Speaker 1>damsels as well, of which she keeps as many as

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred. Over time, Roxalana's quarters would grow into an

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<v Speaker 1>entire wing of the palace that housed the imperial Harem.

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<v Speaker 1>It was under her guidance that the gender politics of

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<v Speaker 1>the empire began to shift and women became more involved

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<v Speaker 1>in the political sphere. Roxalanna kept Suleiman informed during his

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<v Speaker 1>time away by maintaining an information network, just as her

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<v Speaker 1>late mother in law had done before her. The stewards

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<v Speaker 1>and eunuchs in her service would pick up gossip from

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<v Speaker 1>both inside and outside the palace walls. She began to

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<v Speaker 1>work with Hofsa's former go between and even her own son, Mehmed,

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<v Speaker 1>who could provide access to men mens spaces that Roxalana

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<v Speaker 1>was barred from. The network wasn't the only thing Roxalana

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<v Speaker 1>was building. In fifteen thirty eight, construction began on a

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<v Speaker 1>new mosque in Istanbul, outside the city's imperial core. It

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<v Speaker 1>would soon expand to include two schools, primary and a

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<v Speaker 1>secondary A soup kitchen was built, including a fountain in

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<v Speaker 1>its courtyard which could provide fresh water to the neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 1>A couple of years in, the complex even gained a hospital,

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<v Speaker 1>a rare amenity for the time. Charitable giving was a

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<v Speaker 1>requirement for all Muslims with disposable income, and the imperial

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<v Speaker 1>household was no exception. Philanthropy, however, was traditionally the queen

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<v Speaker 1>mother's job. While breaking yet another norm, Roxalana's ambitious project,

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<v Speaker 1>upon her elevation, would have attempted to legitimize her in

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<v Speaker 1>the eyes of the people who still called her ziyati

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<v Speaker 1>in their whispers, or which The mosque complex also served

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<v Speaker 1>a larger purpose as an instrumental piece of Suliman's agenda,

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<v Speaker 1>which sought to consolidate a stronger Sunni Muslim identity, achieved

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<v Speaker 1>in part through philanthropy. Roxalana's project was additionally historic for women.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the first foundation in Istanbul donated by and

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<v Speaker 1>named after a woman. The neighborhood selected for its location

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<v Speaker 1>was associated with women, home to the weekly Avrat Pazar

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<v Speaker 1>or women's market. We also know that Roxalana specifically requested

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<v Speaker 1>a female scribe to work on the project in an

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<v Speaker 1>administrative position, a rarity for the time, which gives credence

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<v Speaker 1>to the idea that her project was designed to uplift

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<v Speaker 1>women's circumstances. The project was a resounding success. A few

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<v Speaker 1>decades later, an Ottoman historian remarked that the exalted Mosque

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<v Speaker 1>and the various other quote good works of the Hesseki

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<v Speaker 1>Sultan were known to all human kind. In addition to

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<v Speaker 1>her philanthropic efforts, Roxalana established new diplomatic relations for the empire.

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<v Speaker 1>When the Polish king died in fifteen forty eight, Roxalana

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<v Speaker 1>established diplomatic correspondence with the Polish monarchy, congratulating the king's

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<v Speaker 1>son on his ascension. She would continue to cultivate more

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<v Speaker 1>contacts in Europe and maintain correspondence with Safavid royal women,

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<v Speaker 1>pioneering a new role for the women that would follow her.

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<v Speaker 1>The Ottomans had had female diplomat in the past, but

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<v Speaker 1>as elite women became more secluded, women were no longer

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<v Speaker 1>employed for negotiations ords, peace treaties. Roxalana established letter writing

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<v Speaker 1>as a method of diplomacy for women, and by the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the century, the mother of her grandson was

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<v Speaker 1>corresponding with Catherine de Medici, while the next Queen Mother

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<v Speaker 1>exchanged gifts with Elizabeth the First. As we students of

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<v Speaker 1>history know, these relationships between important women are incredibly important

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<v Speaker 1>in establishing good relations between nations. Roxalana was now also

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<v Speaker 1>in charge of the major affairs of the Old Palace.

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<v Speaker 1>While day to day management was the job of the

0:29:40.640 --> 0:29:45.080
<v Speaker 1>internal staff, Roxalana was in charge of major decisions and

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<v Speaker 1>resolving problems. She became involved in matchmaking the girls of

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<v Speaker 1>the Imperial Harem, which likely served several purposes. The first

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<v Speaker 1>and most cynical is that it kept them away from

0:29:58.440 --> 0:30:02.040
<v Speaker 1>her husband. Scond reason is that it's not hard to

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<v Speaker 1>imagine the empathy she felt for those in the place

0:30:05.640 --> 0:30:09.880
<v Speaker 1>she once was, but now she could help in securing

0:30:09.920 --> 0:30:19.600
<v Speaker 1>them better futures and eventually freedom. In fifteen forty three,

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<v Speaker 1>the family was faced with great tragedy the death of Mehmed.

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<v Speaker 1>He had contracted an illness, likely smallpox, during the celebration

0:30:30.440 --> 0:30:34.800
<v Speaker 1>for his father's recent military victory, mirroring the loss of

0:30:34.840 --> 0:30:39.800
<v Speaker 1>Suliman's first three children upon his triumphant return to Istanbul.

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<v Speaker 1>Around the time of Mehmed's birth, My Sultan Mehmed distinguished

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<v Speaker 1>among princes. The distraught father wrote of his late son,

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<v Speaker 1>we know that Suleiman dressed in black and attended prayers

0:30:53.560 --> 0:30:58.040
<v Speaker 1>for the dead for forty days instead of the customary three.

0:30:58.800 --> 0:31:03.160
<v Speaker 1>Rak Salana's grief, however, was not chronicled. Women did not

0:31:03.200 --> 0:31:06.800
<v Speaker 1>attend funeral prayers, and she was rarely seen in public.

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<v Speaker 1>As it was, she likely threw herself into caring for

0:31:11.040 --> 0:31:14.920
<v Speaker 1>Mehmed's infant daughter, whose arrival was imminent at the time

0:31:14.960 --> 0:31:18.480
<v Speaker 1>of his death. The loss of Mehmed also meant the

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<v Speaker 1>loss of a candidate for sultan. By fifteen forty six,

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<v Speaker 1>Suliman was fifty three by the Islamic calendar, two years

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<v Speaker 1>older than his father had been at the time of

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<v Speaker 1>his death. The most experienced candidate for sultan at this

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<v Speaker 1>point was Mustafa, who, if you remember, was Suliman's only

0:31:40.120 --> 0:31:43.560
<v Speaker 1>other surviving son at the time of Mehmed's birth, a

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<v Speaker 1>son that was not born to Roxalana. Roxalana's own surviving

0:31:49.040 --> 0:31:53.520
<v Speaker 1>sons had a more powerful mother, naturally, but Mustafa had

0:31:53.560 --> 0:31:58.120
<v Speaker 1>a mother solely dedicated to his success, and again he

0:31:58.240 --> 0:32:04.040
<v Speaker 1>was older and more experienced. Tension was inevitable. In fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>fifty two, the tension came to a deadly point. The

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<v Speaker 1>Empire was at war with Persia, but Suleiman himself was

0:32:12.000 --> 0:32:15.920
<v Speaker 1>not leading the charge. Rumors began to circulate that the

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<v Speaker 1>soldiers were losing faith in their sultan, and there were

0:32:19.840 --> 0:32:24.479
<v Speaker 1>backers seeking to put Mustapha, now forty, on the throne.

0:32:25.240 --> 0:32:29.320
<v Speaker 1>Suliman's first reaction was apparently to blame those trying to

0:32:29.480 --> 0:32:33.880
<v Speaker 1>sow discord, but he did decide to join the campaign

0:32:34.320 --> 0:32:39.440
<v Speaker 1>to show his competency. Nonetheless, it's unclear how exactly we

0:32:39.520 --> 0:32:42.120
<v Speaker 1>get from point A to point B here, but we

0:32:42.240 --> 0:32:46.080
<v Speaker 1>know this. Mustafa was called for a meeting with his father,

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<v Speaker 1>and Mustafa's advisers, including his mother, the former favorite, begged

0:32:51.120 --> 0:32:55.240
<v Speaker 1>him not to attend. They were right to fear. When

0:32:55.320 --> 0:32:58.200
<v Speaker 1>Mustapha and his men went to the meeting, they were

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<v Speaker 1>executed upon their arrival. We don't know what drove Suleiman

0:33:03.760 --> 0:33:06.400
<v Speaker 1>to go so far as to kill his son, but

0:33:06.600 --> 0:33:10.440
<v Speaker 1>history would put the blame on rock Sollana, earning her

0:33:10.560 --> 0:33:14.440
<v Speaker 1>the reputation as villainous. It was not the first time

0:33:14.520 --> 0:33:18.200
<v Speaker 1>she was painted as scheming and jealous. Of course, she

0:33:18.400 --> 0:33:22.640
<v Speaker 1>was already sometimes blamed for Mustapha and his mother both

0:33:22.680 --> 0:33:26.640
<v Speaker 1>being sent to a governorship post outside of Istanbul, the

0:33:26.720 --> 0:33:31.560
<v Speaker 1>traditional practice at the time. The blame for Mustapha's death, however,

0:33:32.120 --> 0:33:35.880
<v Speaker 1>was a reputation that she would gain over time. Ottoman

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<v Speaker 1>historians over the following century did not associate Roxalana with

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<v Speaker 1>the execution, but by the twentieth century historians were sharing

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<v Speaker 1>it as fact. The flaw in asserting Roxalana's guilt, as

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<v Speaker 1>described by biographer Leslie Pearce, quote, the Ottoman habit of

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<v Speaker 1>blaming subordinates so as to avoid holding the powerful accout

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<v Speaker 1>countable for unsavory acts. The most likely explanation for Mustafa's

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<v Speaker 1>execution was the threat that his success and his followers

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<v Speaker 1>posed to his father, not to Braxillana or her sons.

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<v Speaker 1>The loss of Mustafa devastated many in the empire, but

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<v Speaker 1>the following year Roxalana would face a more devastating loss.

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<v Speaker 1>An anxious note from her to Suliman reads quote, the

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<v Speaker 1>city is clamoring that a messenger is coming, and everyone

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<v Speaker 1>is getting ready to deck the city out. They are

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<v Speaker 1>saying the messenger will arrive in two or three days,

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<v Speaker 1>and so they are standing ready to decorate the city. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>my Sultan, it is a very odd thing that a

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<v Speaker 1>good news messenger should come when you yourself are wintering

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<v Speaker 1>in Aleppo. The messenger was likely carrying the news that

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<v Speaker 1>her youngest son had died of sickness after struggling with

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<v Speaker 1>de disabilities his entire life. He was only around twenty one. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>we can only imagine Roxalana's devastation and the added sadness

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<v Speaker 1>that came with having to mourn while her husband was

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<v Speaker 1>still away. Still life carried on for her, and she

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<v Speaker 1>continued to work on her latest project, construction on a

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<v Speaker 1>large and well funded complex in Jerusalem. It would be

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<v Speaker 1>her crowning achievement, a soup kitchen that could feed four

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<v Speaker 1>hundred people twice a day, and housing was provided for

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<v Speaker 1>those visiting the Holy City. She was the third woman

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<v Speaker 1>to build a public project in Jerusalem. But as the

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<v Speaker 1>project progressed, Roxalana's health declined. She died in the spring

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<v Speaker 1>of fifteen fifty eight, one year after the complex formally opened.

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<v Speaker 1>Roxalana's letters always stressed her pain at being away from

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<v Speaker 1>her husband, and it's believed he was by her side

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<v Speaker 1>when she did die. Quote they say, the day before

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<v Speaker 1>she died Suleiman promised her and swore by the soul

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<v Speaker 1>of his father Selim that he would never approach another woman.

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<v Speaker 1>That's from the French ambassador at the time, who also

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<v Speaker 1>noted that Roxalana was mourned by all those who owed

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<v Speaker 1>their status to her, as the majority of those who

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<v Speaker 1>governed the empire at this time were of her making.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the story of Roxalana, who went from slave to

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<v Speaker 1>the most powerful woman in an empire. But keep listening

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<v Speaker 1>after a brief sponsor break to hear a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>more about her legacy and why it's so specifically interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Roxalana was a subject of European fascination even during her lifetime,

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<v Speaker 1>but after her death her legend continue to grow in stories, plays, operas,

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<v Speaker 1>and today in film and TV shows. Many of these

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<v Speaker 1>interpretations portray her as a witch and a villainous, but

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<v Speaker 1>in Ukraine she's often considered a national hero. The scholar

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<v Speaker 1>Galina Yermalenko argues that as the country gained its independence

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<v Speaker 1>from Russia, rox Selena became an important figure in the

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<v Speaker 1>construction of Ukraine's national identity. Rox Selena Is Coming Back

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<v Speaker 1>Home is a bronze monument in Ukraine, believed to be

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<v Speaker 1>her birthplace. The statue stands four meters tall on a

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<v Speaker 1>six meter column, and she's dressed in a traditional Ukrainian costume.

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<v Speaker 1>The names rock Soalana and Rosoliana are popular among Ukrainian

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<v Speaker 1>girls and women, and you can find rock Salana's name

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<v Speaker 1>and imagery on postage stamps, in the windows of beauty

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<v Speaker 1>salons and boutiques, and even on vodka bottles. So next

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<v Speaker 1>time you take a shot of vodka, make sure to

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<v Speaker 1>writing and researching by Hannah Johnston, Hannah Zewick, Courtney Sender,

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