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Speaker 1: a story about how he saved a woman's life. He

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Speaker 1: and resuscitated her back to life, and he said, I

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Speaker 1: did not want that story to get out to the media.

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Speaker 1: I you know, I did it because I was right place,

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Speaker 1: right time. But my director of communications came up to

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Speaker 1: somebody drove by and saw me giving a woman's CPR,

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Speaker 1: and it's like, how do you know CPR at that age? Yeah, Well,

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Speaker 1: his dad happens to be a pastor and he helped

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Speaker 1: with a lot of after school activities for the youth,

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Speaker 1: and he said, you have to know how to do

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Speaker 1: CPR if you're helping with kids after school who are

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Speaker 1: running around playing sports. And so it was just great

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Speaker 1: to hear him talk a really cool story. That's probably

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Speaker 1: been my favorite part about the Combine is to jump

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Speaker 1: in on these interviews and kind of hear somebody's story,

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Speaker 1: because your story is what makes you who you are,

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Speaker 1: and it makes it makes the why why you play football,

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Speaker 1: why you do these things, why you have the work

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Speaker 1: ethic that you do. So that was that was someone

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Speaker 1: that was really cool to hear from Mandy Glabers, whether

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Speaker 1: than Maddy. The rest of the week, you're here through

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Speaker 1: tomorrow and you've got this feature coming up on Neville

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Speaker 1: Gallimore on what Buffalo bills all over our social media

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Speaker 1: out that's what what's your plan for the next two

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Speaker 1: days here to come up? So we're taking over the

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Speaker 1: Instagram story talking to your national analysts, Um you un

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Speaker 1: I don't. I kind of just grab the phone and

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Speaker 1: win it with who cares, it doesn't matter, But yeah,

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Speaker 1: running around trying to get a couple more things done.

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Speaker 1: We'll have a feature story coming out early next week

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Speaker 1: on national analysts and their opinion of what they should

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Speaker 1: do offense or defense. Where you go first, do you

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Speaker 1: make the defense stronger? Do you address the issues with

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Speaker 1: the offense? And so we'll have something going out with

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Speaker 1: that We also have two former Bills sons here, so

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Speaker 1: Antoine Winfield Junior and Darnay Holmes are both here. So

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Speaker 1: I'm going to talk to them tomorrow right before we leave,

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Speaker 1: hopefully not miss our flight. I might be pushing it

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Speaker 1: a little bit, but gonna talk to them and hear

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Speaker 1: what they have to say about the Buffalo Bills, about

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Speaker 1: their process, and just about having a dad who's played

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Speaker 1: in the NFL and for the Buffalo Bills. Maybe it's

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Speaker 1: great to have you here. I feel like you're keeping

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Speaker 1: us in touch with the combine while Steve and I

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Speaker 1: sit here on our books for three hours a day.

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Speaker 1: That's that's what I try to do. No, no, you guys,

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Speaker 1: you guys are in touch too. Come on, all right,

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Speaker 1: thanks Mattie, Thanks Mattie. Having here the pleasure, My pleasure.

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Speaker 1: Alreddy glad you can catch her on the social media

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Speaker 1: platform DNA on Buffalo bills dot com with all of

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Speaker 1: our reports from the scouting Combine. John Murphy's Steeve Tasker

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Speaker 1: Radio only today because of the threat of weather, I'm

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Speaker 1: just gonna say, the blizzard threat of weather, it's not

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Speaker 1: really a threat, or it's not really weather yet, right,

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Speaker 1: It is a threat. That's why we're just radio only today,

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Speaker 1: but we're out here. Show coming up next Matt Miller

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Speaker 1: m covers the NFL Draft. He's the NFL Draft lead

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Speaker 1: writer for bleacher report dot Com. We'll get into some

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Speaker 1: of these Combine prospects and some of the buzz around

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Speaker 1: the Bills and the rest of the NFL with Matt

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Speaker 1: Miller when we return. We're just getting started. It's One

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Speaker 1: Bill's Live presented by Kalida Health from the NFL Scouting

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Speaker 1: Combine and Indie. This is Buffalo Bills Radio. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to the Combine and Indie John Murphy's Steeve Tasker. It's

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Speaker 1: One Bills Live presented by Kalida Health. We are radio

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Speaker 1: only today because of the threat of snow. Joined by

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Speaker 1: Matt Miller from Bleacher Report, NFL Draft lead writer, host

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Speaker 1: of the Stick to Football podcast. It's a great name too.

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Speaker 1: He was supposed to be ironic and then it h

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Speaker 1: you know, for like the first year it was ironic.

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Speaker 1: We were talking baseball and barbecue, and my bosses finally

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Speaker 1: came in and there, you know, we really pay you

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Speaker 1: to talk about football. Now we actually stick to foota.

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Speaker 1: Did I see a bumper? Sticker with that, I hope so, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I hope you did good. You had Sean McDermott on

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Speaker 1: your podcast. What do you think of him? I love Sean.

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Speaker 1: I think he's incredibly smart. And you know, I've been

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Speaker 1: doing this a decade. I've spent a lot of time

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Speaker 1: around coaches and scots and general managers, and I think

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Speaker 1: the combination you guys have, we have Brandon being on

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Speaker 1: our show at the Senior Bowl as well, that combination

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Speaker 1: just it works so well together. And I think that's

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Speaker 1: what I admire about them both is you know, Sean's

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Speaker 1: ability to come in and have the vision for what

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Speaker 1: type of team he wants, Brandon's ability with the rest

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Speaker 1: of his staff. I mean, you guys have a great

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Speaker 1: staff to go find the types of players. You've seen

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Speaker 1: that work in Seattle. We just sawt work in Kansas City,

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Speaker 1: and I think Buffalo, I mean, you have to talk

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Speaker 1: about that tandem as one of the best GM head

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Speaker 1: coach situations in the league. One of the things I've

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Speaker 1: noticed is the fact, and I've said this a ton

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Speaker 1: on our shows since for three years, which is in

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Speaker 1: the NFL's kind of long stretch. Yeah, they've never wavered

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Speaker 1: from their original plan. They've never overspent for this guy, right,

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Speaker 1: they've never tinkered where they you know, in a way

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Speaker 1: that they didn't see. I feel it got them better.

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Speaker 1: And they've stayed with the fact that certain guys are

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Speaker 1: off their board, certain guys are not a part of

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Speaker 1: their planet just because of the type of guy they

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Speaker 1: are or their skills, whatever it may be. They've never

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Speaker 1: deviated and that's really hard to do, given the fact

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Speaker 1: there's good players out there. It is, and I will say,

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Speaker 1: thank god the Antonio Brown thing didn't work, you know,

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Speaker 1: because that was that might have been the one. And

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Speaker 1: so I think, you know, sometimes h you know, things

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Speaker 1: that don't happen to the best things. But you're right,

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Speaker 1: and I think even we've seen that they they haven't

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Speaker 1: panicked an over spitting free agency, and even you know,

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Speaker 1: people in my profession we're screaming like, gosh, you gotta

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Speaker 1: get a receiver, you gotta get another receiver. And they've

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Speaker 1: been smart about that and said, you know, we feel

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Speaker 1: like we we got a good team and to make

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Speaker 1: that playoff round, to have such a great year, double

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Speaker 1: digit wins, to do that without having and going to

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Speaker 1: break the bank, so you know, I've seen so many teams.

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Speaker 1: You know, you panic and you you trade for Namari

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Speaker 1: Cooper or you make make these splash moves. I mean

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Speaker 1: New England did it a couple times this year. You know,

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Speaker 1: you you get Antonio Brown, you trade for uh Mohammed

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Speaker 1: Sanu and those moves just don't work. So I think

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Speaker 1: that that's where the Bills just have a lot of

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Speaker 1: credit with Mint Miller, NFL drafts lead writer for Bleacher Report.

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Speaker 1: Why do you think those two work so well together?

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Speaker 1: Is it a generational thing, same age? Is it the

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Speaker 1: fact that they had a little time together in Carolina?

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Speaker 1: What do you think gets th McDermott and being on

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Speaker 1: such I think the same page. It's a lot of that,

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Speaker 1: you know, Um, I think being like minded is a

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Speaker 1: big part of it, having the same goals, the same

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Speaker 1: idea for what type of player they want, what type

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Speaker 1: of roster they want. Um. And then also I think

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Speaker 1: just a mutual respect of knowing that Brandon's not gonna

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Speaker 1: get you know, a hot seat, and you know say that, Okay, Sean,

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Speaker 1: you gotta win this year. We're getting fired. You know,

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Speaker 1: It's not like that, And that even comes down from ownership,

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Speaker 1: you know, just that that they have they understand that

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Speaker 1: there's a plan here and they're both executing it and

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Speaker 1: there on the same page. Having spent time with both

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Speaker 1: of them too, they're both just well, just good dudes,

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Speaker 1: you know. They're they're just great guys. And I think

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Speaker 1: that's a lot of it. You know. Even with Brandon,

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Speaker 1: we had him on the podcast, he came back the

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Speaker 1: next day and we just started talking about a restaurant

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Speaker 1: we both go to in South Carolina, you know. So

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Speaker 1: it's just they're they're good human beings. They're not the

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Speaker 1: guys where, hey, can we get fifteen minutes with you

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Speaker 1: and they're like, no, I've done a podcast, that's why,

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Speaker 1: you know. So it's I think that's a lot of

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Speaker 1: it too, just you know, a shared vision for what

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Speaker 1: they want the team to be, and then the fact

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Speaker 1: that you know that they're just good people. They've also

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Speaker 1: they've also had some things that have broken their way.

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Speaker 1: This last year, they were one of the healthiest teams

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Speaker 1: in the league. They didn't get any it the catastrophic injury.

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Speaker 1: They lost Harrison Phillips, their second year defensive tackle to

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Speaker 1: an injury, and that's kind of the only one that

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Speaker 1: kind of jumps off the page. They got uh, they

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Speaker 1: didn't have the deal for Antonio Brown come through that

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Speaker 1: kind of thing. They kind of got fortuitous there, although

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Speaker 1: who knows how far down the road they were with it.

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Speaker 1: And also another thing that happened is the fact that

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Speaker 1: and when you're talking about getting fortunate, their guy Josh Allen,

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Speaker 1: all the things that have broken his way. He's a

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Speaker 1: hard working, smart kid. Plus the stability that they've been

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Speaker 1: able to keep around him. You look at the other

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Speaker 1: three quarterbacks that were drafted, Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen.

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Speaker 1: He's had some stability around him that has allowed him

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Speaker 1: to progress. Now that you can't say that's good luck,

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Speaker 1: that's just been it's been smart smart and I think

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Speaker 1: last year to take the money and free agency to

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Speaker 1: basically buy an offensive line, it's smart because that is

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Speaker 1: I think right now you can look at the NFL

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Speaker 1: to bust rate for offensive line draft picks is enormous.

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Speaker 1: You know, the Denver Broncos drafted a kid, Garrett Ball

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Speaker 1: as the first round a couple of years ago. Now

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Speaker 1: again here we are four years later, we're talking about, oh,

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Speaker 1: they got a draft an offensive tackle again, and so

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Speaker 1: I think that was smart to say we're gonna use

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Speaker 1: you know, next year or so, Okay, we need this

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Speaker 1: guy needs protected. You know, we want to use his

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Speaker 1: athletics when we want to feature it, but we want

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Speaker 1: to protect him as well. So I think that was

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Speaker 1: smart team building to say, you know, let's use our

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Speaker 1: draft capital on defense, on playmakers, and we'll invest in

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Speaker 1: the offensive line through free agency. I think that's been

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Speaker 1: one of the smarter moves they've made and probably doesn't

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Speaker 1: get talked about enough. The reason you know that they've

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Speaker 1: continued to get better every year, not just on the field,

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Speaker 1: but you know when lost column and one of the

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Speaker 1: other things that they you can say fortuitous or whatever,

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Speaker 1: but you had Josh Allen's grated just maybe the second

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Speaker 1: best quarterback coming out of that year, and it felt

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Speaker 1: he fell to the Bills as the third guy taken.

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Speaker 1: And I loved Josh Allen. I was telling John before

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Speaker 1: we came on, I liked him the year before that,

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Speaker 1: and there was talk as a red shirt sophomore he

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Speaker 1: was gonna come out of Wyoming you know, I consulted

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Speaker 1: with Josh and his family about where I had him ranked,

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Speaker 1: what I thought he needed to work on. He ultimately

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Speaker 1: decided to go back to school and and you're right,

643
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: he fell to your guy's laps. And I think you

644
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: can you can look in at you know, not to

645
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: disrespect Baker and Mayfield or Sam Darnold or Josh Rosen

646
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: and Lamar Jackson, you know, had an MVP year, but

647
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: I think you can look at that quarterback class and

648
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: outside of what Lamar did last year, feel pretty good

649
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: about where Josh is at. You know, Baker took a

650
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: big step back this year, Sam Darnold has struggled with injury,

651
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: and then you know, the product on the field hasn't

652
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: met as good for the Jets. So I think Josh

653
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: what he's able to do, and we're just starting to

654
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: you know, we're just seeing the beginning of it. I

655
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: think as the weapons developed, I really liked us and

656
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: Knox too, so getting him, We'll see what they do

657
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: this year. If they add some receivers, they can help

658
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: him out. I think we're just starting to see the

659
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: surface of what Josh can be as a quarterback. Go

660
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: talk to Josh's quarterback guru, Jordan Palmer coming up later

661
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: today on the show. Matt Miller from Bleacher Reporters with us, Matt,

662
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: you wrote a post that went up today, I'm Bleacher

663
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: reported a buzz about every team here at the combine.

664
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Speaker 1: I read it today and I thought, there's not a

665
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: whole lot of buzz about them right now. I think

666
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: people trust that they're going to draft well and do

667
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: the right thing this week right or this week. And

668
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: that's two months ago. And as I was telling you,

669
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: I think this is a team. When you draft late,

670
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's harder to for guys like me

671
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: to nail. You know, you're picking a twenty two week

672
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: and say, yeah, you need a receiver. It's a little

673
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: bit harder to say which receiver. And so you get

674
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: into let's talk about player types. You'd like to add

675
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: some size, let's expand the window for Josh to make

676
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: accurate throws. And John Brown is he went to college

677
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: thirty minutes from where I live, um at the Pitts

678
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: Day Gorillas. I mean, he's had a great career. I

679
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: love I love John. I grew up in Kansas. Yeah,

680
00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: so you know, and so I would I would focus

681
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: on that. Let's add speed throughout the offense. You know,

682
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: Devin Singletary, I think it's gonna be a good running

683
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:06,959
Speaker 1: back in the NFL, but let's add some speed at

684
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: running back, speed at wide receiver so that those throws

685
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: that Josh makes can then become explosive plays. Should should

686
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: the Bills, you know, they have a pretty good defense

687
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: the last couple of years. Should they make sure that

688
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: the defense is up to parm maybe strengthen the defense,

689
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: or should they focus on offense going into this tramp?

690
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: What do you think I would focus and that pre

691
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: free agency, obviously I would focus a little bit more

692
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: on offense because this is a historically deep draft when

693
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: it comes to the wide receiver position. So we're a

694
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: guy like Leviscas Chanel or Brandon Ayouk or Te Higgins.

695
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: In a traditional draft, they might have been the second

696
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: receiver off the board. Because of the depth this year,

697
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: the good receivers are gonna get pushed down, and so

698
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: I think there's even an argument that make can we

699
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: wait till round two to get a really good receiver?

700
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: And you definitely could, But at twenty two, I think

701
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: one of those players that I would consider to still

702
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: be a top tier receiver is going to be on

703
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: the board. And then because the depth in the class

704
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: at corner, at safety, if you want to get another

705
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: pass rusher, you know, depending on what happens in free agency,

706
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: the good players are gonna get pushed down this year

707
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: because the run to get quarterbacks offensive tackles. And then

708
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: how deep the wide receiver. Let's talk about that and

709
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: get a little bit more specific about the wide receiver

710
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: class you're talking about. You say top tier, you're what

711
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: is a top tier wide receiver for you? How many

712
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: of them are there? How deep does this class go

713
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: and what kind of quality are projected for these guys

714
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: and how far down? Yeah, I think when we sit

715
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: top tier, so like it's the number one receiver, a

716
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: guy who can be the number one guy the guy. Yeah,

717
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: And so Jerry Judy from Alabama, Henry Ruggs from Alabama,

718
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: who's gonna run the forty this afternoon, right and has

719
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: a good chance to break the record. Ceedee Lamb at

720
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: Oklahoma I think is in that tier, and I honestly

721
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: think Tee Higgins is as well. The only questions with

722
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: Ta is how fast is he gonna run? But you

723
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: look at I mean, all those receivers I mentioned before

724
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: him are right around six one under two hundred pounds.

725
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: Tie Higgins is six four two fifteen. I mean he

726
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: is the best. I think he's the best vertical stretch

727
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: receiver in this draft. And he doesn't do that with speed,

728
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: he does it with size. So I love that about him.

729
00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: So I think he can be a number one. You

730
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: know that you get into I mean some really good

731
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: speed receivers with Jalen Reeger, kJ Hammler, Brandon and i

732
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: u Leiviska Chanel, players who they're not gonna be necessarily

733
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,720
Speaker 1: always line up on the outside running against Stefan Gilmour,

734
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: but they're players that you can put them in the slot,

735
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 1: you can move them around and find creative voice together.

736
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: There may be as many as ten guys in this

737
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 1: draft as a receiver who could be or line up

738
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: and they're they're the number one option for whatever NFL team. Guys,

739
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 1: I think so, and that you know requires some creativity.

740
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: You know, look at what Kansas City does San Francisco

741
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 1: does You know your number one's not always gonna be

742
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 1: aj Green is gonna be on a week tweek basis.

743
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: He's lining up and you're gonna give it. He's the guy.

744
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 1: When you're a game planning on defense, you say, Okay,

745
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: we gotta worry about this one. Con Te Higgins be

746
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: there at twenty two first rounds for the Bay I

747
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,399
Speaker 1: think so. I'll say I have a mock draft coming

748
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: out Monday. I have. I'm about three picks into runing

749
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: it so far, because those are the easy ones. But

750
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: I think it is realistic. The Bills fans need to

751
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: hope for quarterbacks to go early, and Joe Burrow is

752
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 1: gonna go first to a Tegavalo is probably gonna go

753
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 1: top five. Joe Burrows probably gonna, excuse me, justin Herbert's

754
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 1: gonna go top ten. You really need to hope that

755
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 1: Jordan Love from Utah State and Jacob Easton from Washington

756
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,879
Speaker 1: go early as well, because that's just gonna push more

757
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,959
Speaker 1: good players down to you, guys, say, I do think

758
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: that's possibility. You have to worry about Philly at twenty

759
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 1: one pick and right ahead of you, guys, because they

760
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: have a big needed receiver as well. You get the

761
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: two are going to the Dolphins, you think in your mind,

762
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: I think so, I feel like the Dolphins have been

763
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 1: all over him. Stephen Ross, the owner of the Dolphins.

764
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: He went to three Alabama games this year, and I

765
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: know he's got a jet and he can go do

766
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: whatever he wants. That's a lot of Alabama game. So

767
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: I think there's a good chance. And now that you

768
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,720
Speaker 1: know they owned three pigs in the first round, because

769
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 1: of the trades that they made, they have a chance

770
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: to even package to move up if Detroit wants to

771
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: trade back, if the Giants want to trade back a

772
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: little bit. The Dolphins definitely have the capital to do that.

773
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: And that's the one unpredictable too, about which teams covet

774
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: which players and how much capital they have to move

775
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: up or down or sideways or the reasons to move side.

776
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 1: It was like the Detroit Lions they could, they could

777
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: do whatever they wanted there, and really so could the

778
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: Washington Redskins, although I don't know if i'd trade yeah,

779
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: but they did. They definitely could. You know, we saw

780
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, you know, the Browns traded

781
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,760
Speaker 1: out of the second pick that was Carson Wentz. Forty

782
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: nine Ers traded out of the second pick. It became

783
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: Mitchell Trubisky. So there's a precedent. There four teams to

784
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: slide back a little bit as someone wants to come

785
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: up for a quarterback. Hey, the Chargers Trady to go

786
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 1: with Tyrod Taylor. Do you think just that's what That's

787
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: what I've been hearing is they're comfortable at least with

788
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 1: Tyrod being the guy. I think with an eye toward

789
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: hopefully drafting someone at six or you know, you don't

790
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: want to ever get too far ahead of yourself. Next

791
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: year's quarterback class actually looks pretty good too. Trevor Lawrence

792
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: and Justin Fields are pretty good players. Hey, matt Um,

793
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 1: tell me about today four o'clock, today and tonight and

794
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,919
Speaker 1: even tomorrow. Which prospects are you most looking forward to watching?

795
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: You already mentioned Henry Ruggs, Right, Yeah, Henry Ruggs is

796
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: the one. And you know asked Steve and I were

797
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: talking about there's a great group of wide receivers. So

798
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: it's not just Henry Ruggs. You know, it's uh kJ

799
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: Hamler unfortunately not working out for Penn State. I think

800
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 1: he would have looked really good here. Jalen Reeger from TCU,

801
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,240
Speaker 1: Devin DuVernay from Texas. I mean there are multiple receivers,

802
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: and we're just mostly looking at times, but also three

803
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: cone they're gonna be exceptional that and three con is

804
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 1: my favorite drill to evaluate wide receivers because you see

805
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 1: that the burst, the change of direction, that the foot

806
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: speed balance, so it really goes into it. But now

807
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: that this is in primetime, guys, all eyes are gonna

808
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: be on Henry Ruggs in that forty yard dash. But

809
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 1: I'm anxious to see, you know what Jerry Judy looks

810
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: like in the three cone, what Cede Lamb looks like,

811
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: because a lot of folks, myself included, have them ranked

812
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: pretty closely at wide receivers. So the way I was

813
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 1: taught to scout is wash the tape, do the work,

814
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: and then you come to the combine. This can be

815
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 1: your tiebreaker for some guys. So give us an idea

816
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: about some of the other spots. Because pre free agency

817
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: takes these NFL post free agency takes them to a

818
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: wholly different, totally different place in their roster. They may

819
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: fill some holes with some quality, proven NFL players so

820
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: they can go a different direction in the draft. So

821
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 1: let's talk about a guy like say this Clavon Chase

822
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: on from LSU the edge rusher and what he can bring.

823
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: He's special and it's unfortunately he's been hurt a little

824
00:37:56,120 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: bit at LSU, but his speed off the edge is exceptional.

825
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: And the other Josh Allen, the one who wants to Tentucky,

826
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 1: now's the Jaguar. He reminds me a lot of him

827
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: because they'll ask him to line up on the edge.

828
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 1: He'll rush the quarterback, he'll stop the run, he'll drop

829
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: back in coverage. He does a little bit of everything.

830
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: I think he got a reputation. People think LSU and

831
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: a smaller guy and they oh, it's Barkivus Mingo. He's

832
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: not that, you know. He's a true three down player

833
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: with the skills that really match what everybody's doing in

834
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: the nfright now because he can cover yea, he can

835
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: go with the tight end or a back out of

836
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 1: the backfield. So he's a special guy. He's number ten

837
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: on my board right now. But like you said, if

838
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: quarterbacks and tackles go early, a guy like that can

839
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: fall down pretty quick. And that's what kind of if

840
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: you're picking we haven't been there for a while, the Bills.

841
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: If you're picking down in the draft in the bottom

842
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: third of the draft. That's what you really have to

843
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: do is hope teams need to pick guys that art

844
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: positions you don't need. And I think that having you

845
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: guys last year, you know at Oliver like, no, I don't.

846
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: No one really thought Edward was going to be there

847
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: or I loved Tremaine Edmonds the year before that, you know,

848
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,959
Speaker 1: So they've been really lucky in that the right type

849
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 1: of player, Tavius White, even you know, the right player

850
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: has really fallen into the Bill's lap the last three

851
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: four years. Do you recall your report on Ed Oliver,

852
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: what you thought of him and how he measured up

853
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: to that? As I do. I remember talking to the

854
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Speaker 1: to watch, but to go talk to the people who've

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Speaker 1: coached and evaluated these guys in college. And I went

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Speaker 1: and talked to the guy who recruited him to Houston,

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Speaker 1: and he said, the first day of his freshman year,

859
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Speaker 1: they'd never seen anything like it. They didn't think he'd

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Speaker 1: start as a true freshman until the first day at camp,

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Speaker 1: and they said there was a kid who was like

862
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Speaker 1: projected to being an All American And they said, sorry,

863
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Speaker 1: ed starting a defensive tackle now, and so you know

864
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:32,919
Speaker 1: my report on him, I had him just a little

865
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Speaker 1: bit behind Quinn and Williams last year as the top

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Speaker 1: d tackle in the class. But he was special. You know,

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Speaker 1: It's easy to see why there were Aaron Donald comps,

868
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: you know, for his athleticism. There just aren't very many

869
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Speaker 1: people who played defensive line that moved like an ed Oliver.

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Speaker 1: So I absolutely loved him. I thought it was a

871
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Speaker 1: shock that he fell even to nine, I believe, and

872
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 1: he didn't fall way down. That's pretty far. I mean

873
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Speaker 1: that I thought he was one. Still he falls and

874
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Speaker 1: he's still in the top ten, right, I mean it

875
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Speaker 1: was you know, Nick Bosa, Gi Shallon, Quinnon, Williams, and

876
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Speaker 1: I think ed Oliver was up there. It's the best

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Speaker 1: player last year. Hey, Matt, thanks for this. Have a

878
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:09,760
Speaker 1: great day weekend. Thank you. Matt Miller. Bleacher Report NFL

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Speaker 1: Draft lead writer, joining us. We're coming here from the

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Speaker 1: NFL Scouting Combine. It's one Bills Live and this is

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills Radio. Welcome back, one to Ve coming here

882
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Speaker 1: from the scouting combine and Indie John Murphy was Steve Tasker.

883
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 1: If you had Mattie glab We just got Matt Miller.

884
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Speaker 1: We got Matt Bowen coming up in a couple of minutes. Here.

885
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,879
Speaker 1: We're at it against Steve killing it, knocking them down,

886
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: setting them up, knocking them down. That's all we do,

887
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Speaker 1: That's all we do. Matt, Matt boon also from the

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Speaker 1: NFL matchup Greg Greg Cosel will join us tomorrow the

889
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: other half of that show. Um. Kurt Warner's coming on

890
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: the show later today. I went through Kurt Warner at

891
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Speaker 1: Westwood One. We did a couple of games together. He

892
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Speaker 1: was in the booth, I was on the sidelines. Great guy.

893
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: Um knows a lot about the quarterback spot, and it'll

894
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 1: be interesting to hear him talk about Joe Burrow too,

895
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 1: and also these guys Love and the rest of this

896
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: the quarterback class. He's probably got some pretty strong opinions

897
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 1: about what they look like. Met Bone would be great.

898
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: Mat Boonen is coming up right after the top of

899
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Speaker 1: the hour here at one o'clock. We've got a Twitter

900
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: poll we want to get into today and hope we

901
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Speaker 1: have time to do it and get some calls on

902
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Speaker 1: this vote. Nine's open at eight o three five fifty

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Speaker 1: toll free one eight eight eight five fifty two five fifty.

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Speaker 1: What's the most important characteristic the bill should look for

905
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Speaker 1: in a draft prospect? Here at the combine, you can

906
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: look at a lot of different things. What do you

907
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 1: think is the most important? You want to have all

908
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: of it, obviously, but what's the most important the key

909
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: characteristic the bills should look for. We've got two hundred

910
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 1: fifty votes in so far. Is it attitude, work ethic?

911
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 1: Fifty three percent of you say that's the way to go.

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Speaker 1: Is it athletic ability? Obviously it's a requirement. Forty percent

913
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Speaker 1: of you say that's the first thing they should look at.

914
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: Is it health? Right, they're doing tests, they're doing physicals.

915
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: Is it physical health? Only four percent say that? Is

916
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: it something else? Three percent say that eight O three

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00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: oh five fifty toll free outside Buffalo one eight eight

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00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 1: eight five fifty two five fifty. It's the most important

919
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: characteristic the bill should look for in a prospect. It's

920
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: interesting because a four percent of people say physical health.

921
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Speaker 1: And if you talk to the NFL people I talked

922
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: to h I talked to Tom Talesco again today, and

923
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: all they talk about is the opportunity to get their

924
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: medical staff's hands on these guys to find out because

925
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 1: you know, coming up through college, particularly at the highest levels,

926
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Speaker 1: like to attack of the law, the guy to dislocated

927
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: fractured hip, they want to find out what's going on

928
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: with it. You know, there's a lot of these guys.

929
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: These teams want to see what this guy, how this

930
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: guy's ankle is, how this guy's shoulder is, how this

931
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:38,240
Speaker 1: guy's hamstring is. Medical is the top of the list

932
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Speaker 1: for these teams. And I think that's surprising to a

933
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: lot of people. A lot of people obviously there they

934
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Speaker 1: don't even give that to a second thought. On our

935
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Speaker 1: twitter point, let me give it like for instance, and

936
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Speaker 1: we'll go to the tweet sheet here. Brian Rossignal says,

937
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: I figured it would be a runaway for athletic ability.

938
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Speaker 1: He says, I'm floored by the work ethic people. Quick question,

939
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: Does anyone care what Nick bo s Patrick mahomes work

940
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Speaker 1: ethic is like? No, I disagree. I think they. I

941
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: think those two in particular Boats and Mahomes have demonstrated

942
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: they've got a solid work ethic. They're good at that.

943
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: I think they do care. What Look, they wouldn't be

944
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: where they are if they didn't have a strong worth

945
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: work ethic. Uh he says he's Florida. People respond worth ethic.

946
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Speaker 1: Fifty three percent of our respondents say it's that forty

947
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: percent say athletic ability. I think to so many more

948
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Speaker 1: than half of our respondents say attitude work ethic is important.

949
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: I do think that's a reflection of how the Bills

950
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: have come around here, right. That's important to McDermot and

951
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: being apparently, and I think fans are into that. I think,

952
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you, I'll say this, Murph. You get

953
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 1: a team like Buffalo and you think about him two

954
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 1: years ago, three years ago now in two thousand and seventeen,

955
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: when they at the beginning of that season, when they

956
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: traded Sammy Watkins, they got rid of Marcel Dariy, traded

957
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: to Marcel Darius, they got rid of the big contracts,

958
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: and they did some things right at the beginning of

959
00:43:55,200 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: the year with U with the cornerbacks. I don't know

960
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: it wasn't staff, but they brought in uh EJ. Gaines.

961
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Speaker 1: They made these moves and people there were real life

962
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: NFL analysts that were questioning whether the Bills were tanking,

963
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 1: and they didn't. Not only didn't tank, they went to

964
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: the playoffs, So that kind of thought process this culture

965
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: to me, and even this last year when they went

966
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Speaker 1: to the back to the playoffs, when you're maximizing the

967
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: talent you have on the roster, when when it seemed

968
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: and I said this earlier in our show today, when

969
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 1: they seemed to overachieve all the time where they stayed healthy,

970
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: they overdid their Their defense is really tough as a lade.

971
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: They got an offense that has playmakers and you know

972
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: it's it's you know, it struggled to score points, but

973
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: you know still kind of you know, fun to watch,

974
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it. This is a roster

975
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: that you always seem to get the most out of.

976
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: I point directly at attitude and culture of the guys

977
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: in it for any team, not just the Bills, but

978
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 1: for any team that seems to overachieve, and the Bills

979
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,879
Speaker 1: you can point to that it's been really really part

980
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: of what makes them a team that is perceived as

981
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: an overachieving squad. Yeah, we talked to May about it

982
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: on the show yesterday about the importance of culture to

983
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: his roster. If you want to hear that interview, by

984
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 1: the way, you can go to our website or go

985
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: to a number of different social media locations to listen.

986
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: I know people have said it takes too long to

987
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: load or but it's on our website. You can hear

988
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: some of these great interviews we've done here this week.

989
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 1: One place to go, but also the Bill's app is

990
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: a good place to go for some of these issues

991
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: as well. All of that is up, the interviews we've

992
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: done all week. All right, We're gonna take a break

993
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,479
Speaker 1: here for the top of the hour. Coming up, Matt Bowen,

994
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 1: former Bill's Safety, ESPN NFL analysts. He's co host of

995
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 1: NFL Matchup on ESPN. Matt Bowen standing by to join us.

996
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: He's got some ideas on different drills for the combine,

997
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: among other things. We'll talk with Matt Bowen when we return.

998
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 1: It's One Bill's Live, presented by Kalad of Health from

999
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: the NFL Scouting Combine in Indie, his Buffalo Bills Radio,

1000
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: John Murphy's Team Tansker Radio. Start an hour two of

1001
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: One Bill's Live, joined by ESPN, NFL Insider Go, host

1002
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: of NFL Matchup on ESPN, former Bills safety seven seasons

1003
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 1: in the NFL playing safety. Happy to have Matt Bow

1004
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: and with us here today. Matt, good to be with

1005
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: you again. Thank you, Murph, how are you? I'm well?

1006
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: And say loo Steve Taskers with us year as good.

1007
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: See hey staying busy though, right, yes, yeah, hey, You've

1008
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 1: got a post coming up and we'll get to the

1009
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,800
Speaker 1: draft because that's why we're here. But you've you've focused

1010
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 1: on the free agents and try to find good fits

1011
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: for some of these free agents. What did you see

1012
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 1: anybody for the Bills? Have you got that far down?

1013
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: I haven't got that far down to start now? And

1014
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 1: what you do when you're here in India as you

1015
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: talk to people you know, you talk to some scouts

1016
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: you know and people you know in the business and

1017
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: try to figure out where guys may go because it's

1018
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: the tough part about free agency. You just talked about

1019
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,879
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott. He's technically a free agent. I think Dak

1020
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: Prescott is going back to Dallas College, right right? You

1021
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,280
Speaker 1: understand that. Tom Brady's interesting one to me, very interesting.

1022
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: I can't imagine Tom Brady not playing for the New

1023
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: England Patriots, but I could see it happening, you know,

1024
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 1: he could see it happen at this point in his career,

1025
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: he starts to look well, if Tennessee doesn't re signed

1026
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehills with Tom Brady, go play for the Tennessee Titans.

1027
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers, you brought up good Philip Rivers playing for

1028
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans to Ryan Tannehill doesn't resign or is

1029
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: it in terms what I look at a lot like

1030
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: we do on the Matchup show as scheme fits. Where

1031
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: can they play that's kind of cater to their skill

1032
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: set or maximize their talent ability and an offensive system.

1033
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: For Philip Rivers, I look at the Indian Indianapolis coltson

1034
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,240
Speaker 1: Frank Wright. Right then, that's one of the things about

1035
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: it is you don't know where these guys are gonna land.

1036
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: But by the same token for a guy like Tom Brady,

1037
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers. I've said this before. It rarely maybe not

1038
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 1: all the time, anyway, it rarely ends well for the

1039
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:49,720
Speaker 1: really great ones, right yeah. Joe Montana moved Johnny Unitus,

1040
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Speaker 1: Joe Joe Namath, ego. Back down through history, Marcus Allen,

1041
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 1: these great players when whatever the position, sometimes he didn't.

1042
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 1: Bruce Smith I ended up as a Washington ra skin

1043
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: Thurman Thomas a year in my end, you know, so

1044
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: it rarely ends well for the really great ones. It

1045
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: has to be a decision on their own right. And

1046
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Speaker 1: a guy like Tom Brady, if the New England Pages

1047
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: are done with him, or at least not going to

1048
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: give him the money he deserves or has earned, or

1049
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: whatever wherever you want to state it, he may indeed

1050
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Speaker 1: walk away. Guys have done it in the past. That's

1051
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: the real wild card when you get to this free agency,

1052
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: particularly at that position where these guys have got some

1053
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: pelt on the wall and then they want to be appreciated.

1054
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Speaker 1: I agree. And you also look at free agency how

1055
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 1: it pertains the draft. Okay this and I'm not totally

1056
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Speaker 1: into the prospects he had him just starting to wash

1057
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,919
Speaker 1: tape on a lot of certain positions, but the tight

1058
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Speaker 1: end position, I don't think it's a stacked tight end class.

1059
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Speaker 1: So then you go to free agency. Austin Hooper is

1060
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: a free agent in Atlanta. Falcons Hunter Henry from the

1061
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: Los Angeles Charters. Now that's going to boost their value

1062
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Speaker 1: tremendously in my opinion. And if Tom Brady does go

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Speaker 1: back to New England, what was the one of the

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00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 1: issues And you guys saw it New England twice last year.

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00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: The lack of production from the tight end position and

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Speaker 1: their ability to throw those underneath cross ors, those seam

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00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 1: routes that they have with Ron Kowsey, that that was

1068
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: missing last year from that offense, and I really think

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00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: that hurt that offense. So if Tom does stay, do

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00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: you look at free agency and say, Okay, Well, if

1071
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: New England is gonna build that offense to better fit

1072
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Speaker 1: him going forward to this season, you gott address the

1073
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: tight end position. It could be two of those guys.

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Speaker 1: I want to get to the combat in a moment.

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Speaker 1: But one more question for me about free agents and

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00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: your post coming up on free agent fits. We try

1077
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: to figure out what the Bills might be thinking along

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00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 1: these lines. They've been an interesting free agent team. They

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00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,760
Speaker 1: haven't been shy of signing free agents, but they almost

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00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 1: have a prototypical type of free agent they've signed, and

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00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 1: maybe Mitch Moore supplies in the face of that with

1082
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 1: his big contract, But it's almost like they don't want

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00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: to spend a ton of money, but they know exactly

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00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: where they want to and the type of guy they

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00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 1: want to get. Well, Steve and I were talking about

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00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: about that before one on the air, and Steve brought

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00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: up a great A great comp for that is Micah Hyde.

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00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: Yeah right, and I'll say I'm a Hawkeye too. I

1089
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: understand that. So whenever I talk about hawk eyes, I

1090
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: get a little and it's okay, that's okay to do that.

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00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 1: He's a great player. He's a great player. You got

1092
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: him make great value and free agency you're seeing his production,

1093
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,760
Speaker 1: what he can do. How he's a modern his traits

1094
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: fit the modern game with the safety position because he

1095
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: could play single high, you can play in the deep path,

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00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: he can cover down, he can tackle in space, he

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00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: could play over a slide. He can do everything you

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00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 1: want and he didn't have to. And I don't want

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00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,240
Speaker 1: to use a term overpay, but you paid fair value

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00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 1: for him, right, And that's what you want to do

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00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: in free agency. Like Steve and I discuss the guys

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Speaker 1: who get the massive contracts, how long do they ever

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00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 1: play to get to the end of that contract? You know,

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Speaker 1: do they, like Steve said, do they live up to

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00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 1: that contract? Do they do they meet the value of

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00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: that contract? So being selective and free agency, I think

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00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 1: it's a proper term for the Buffalo Bills. That's how

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00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: you That's how you build a roster, in my opinion.

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00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,800
Speaker 1: You take selective free agents that fit your team identity,

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00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,399
Speaker 1: fit your scheme, and then you go on to the draft,

1111
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: and that's how you build a football team. It's really

1112
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: the only free agent that they've signed that really set

1113
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 1: the market was Mitch Morris down down inside center, and

1114
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: that's ten ten million dollars year, eleven million dollars your contract,

1115
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,280
Speaker 1: which is it's you know, it's big for that position,

1116
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 1: but that position is not one where you're gonna have

1117
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: to pay a guy twenty minute a ten million. You

1118
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 1: can you can get by pretty well, particularly to an

1119
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: important position. But with Cole Beasley, with John Brown, the

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Speaker 1: receivers they brought in, it'll be much easier and probably

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00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 1: more possible for them to earn that contract. Rather than

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00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: the team saying, well, we got to pay this guy

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Speaker 1: and it's really you know, we don't have a replacement

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00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 1: for him, or we would. It gives the player a

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Speaker 1: chance to earn it and feel like he's still vital

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00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: part of the offense or the defense or what have you. Right,

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00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: and you go back to that Dallas game on Thanksgiving

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00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: and and look at Cole Beasley and what he did

1129
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 1: in that football game, how he fits into this offense,

1130
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: how he gives Josh down underneath target, across guy on

1131
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: Crosser's deep, both routes, and then with John Ronnie have

1132
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: someone could threaten the defense anytime you want, right and

1133
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,439
Speaker 1: especially with Josh's You know this one thing. I wrote

1134
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 1: a piece this week on the NFL combine and how

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00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: I would change it for quarterbacks, and a lot of

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00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: that was from Josh Allen. Okay, because this ability to

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00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 1: make second reaction plays, and you saw that with John

1138
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 1: Brown this year, especially that Dallas game. You saw with

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00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: Colby's I read that post. We're with Matt bow and

1140
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: ESPN NFL analysts co host of NFL Matchup on ESPN.

1141
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 1: You wrote about new quarterback drills, reimagining the NFL combine

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00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: for quarterbacks. First of all, why do we need to

1143
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: redo the quarterback Well, it's interesting with you guys. How

1144
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 1: this started was I watched Josh Allen's combine workout. Okay,

1145
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: and everything I saw in Josh Allen's combine workout, we

1146
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: already knew. We knew he had the big arm, we

1147
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 1: knew he has the size, we knew he could throw

1148
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 1: the ball. You would go back to Josh's Combine workout.

1149
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: He was throwing the ball sixty five seven, your hearts

1150
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: down the field or that, you know, and you're impressed

1151
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: with that, right, but you kind of already knew that.

1152
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 1: The guys that come to the combine, these quarterbacks, they

1153
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,879
Speaker 1: all have the tools of the traits because they're here

1154
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: and they're all high level players. But I want to

1155
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 1: see how does it fit the modern game. That's why

1156
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 1: I brought up I called second reactionabilities. Some people call

1157
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 1: it off scheduled plays and bim elvital to escape pressure.

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00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 1: We did a couple of times this year on the

1159
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 1: Matchup Show, breaking down film and Josh how we can

1160
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 1: get outside the pocket? You know, and Steve knows football

1161
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: is not perfect. You drowed up in the chalkboard. Hey,

1162
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: these guys are gonna block you in a clean pocket

1163
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 1: and looked down the field. Yeah, sure right, it never happened.

1164
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: Never happens. You got to be able to move in

1165
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: today's game. If to show the athletic traits, or I

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00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 1: call the movement traits, show the ability to throw from

1167
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: an off platform position, throw when things don't go right,

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00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: when everything goes south as a quarterback, which is gonna

1169
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 1: happen a lot during a football game. Candy get outside

1170
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 1: and Knaty move, Katy create. And that's why I did

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00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: that because I think, on top of what we already

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00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 1: see the three and five step drops, a little play

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00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: actually a little bootleg, you know, throw the quick out,

1174
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 1: throw the dig through the seam, throw the post corner,

1175
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 1: throw the fa you know, I get that that's part

1176
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: of the process. You need to evaluate this. But I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: if we want to look at the quarterbacks of today,

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00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: and really this starts with the high school level, arm

1179
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: at how they're coached, how they're coached, would be more

1180
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 1: creative in terms of not playing outside of the scheme.

1181
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: But when the scheme does break down, show me what

1182
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 1: you can do next. And I would love to see

1183
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: that here because it would test them. It would test them.

1184
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: You got five new drills that you proposed, perfectly illustrated

1185
00:53:57,719 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: with video. It's a great piece. It was cool. It

1186
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 1: was an They went out to Hollywood to shoot the

1187
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:05,240
Speaker 1: did you Hollywood set? And it was a unique experience

1188
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 1: for me. Looks it looks like a game, you know,

1189
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: a game ready getting ready for that right, and you know,

1190
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,720
Speaker 1: the producer set it up like a testing facility, right, okay,

1191
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: and the quarterback as an actor. He's a former college

1192
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: quarterback but now he's an actor. So it was really

1193
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 1: neat and how they did it. I loved how it

1194
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 1: came together. The production team was outstanding. Everything was first

1195
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 1: class out there, and how we put it together and

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00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: how they wrapped it up together to simulate the actions

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00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: and the footwork the throwing platforms was really neat. It's

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00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 1: interesting too, but it's also very difficult because you say

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Speaker 1: you know, and you're right. You bring these guys in

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00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 1: there and they kind of reinforce what you already know

1201
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 1: about it. And that's why this combine has become more

1202
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,359
Speaker 1: about disqualifying guys than it has about finding stuff out

1203
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 1: that you don't know. And I think if you're going

1204
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 1: to turn the corner and get drills in it or

1205
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:53,919
Speaker 1: some process in it by which you can find out

1206
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: what you don't know right about guys on the positive side,

1207
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 1: not just to disqualify them, but to find out what

1208
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:02,439
Speaker 1: they can do that you didn't know they could do.

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00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 1: I think that's really where this should kind of they

1210
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 1: should try and weave their process through to get to

1211
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 1: and that's that's really hard to do because quarterbacks bring

1212
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: different skill sets, right they do. And that's why I

1213
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: thought that if you can expand and they're trying to

1214
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 1: what they're gonna throw a goal line fade this week,

1215
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:19,359
Speaker 1: They're gonna throw a quick smoke route, They're gonna time

1216
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,439
Speaker 1: it coming out the release point, which is a step

1217
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 1: in the right direction in my opinion. But even the

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00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 1: defensive backs, I mean defensive backs, I mean they've been

1219
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 1: doing the same drills forever, right, And I understand because

1220
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 1: that a lot gives you something to compare comparables. You're

1221
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 1: a year video. You know, you can go back and

1222
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 1: you can watch and Ed Reid at the combine and say,

1223
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: look what Ed Reid did and his hip, turn his

1224
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 1: flexibility open and get the football. I understand that, but

1225
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,760
Speaker 1: I still think you can develop it even farther because

1226
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:45,879
Speaker 1: of how the game has changed today and how more

1227
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Speaker 1: movement based it is. Mett bow and our guest ESPN

1228
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,280
Speaker 1: NFL Analysts, co host of NFL Matchup on the ESPN.

1229
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 1: You've done a quick study as you look at these

1230
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 1: prospects about wide receivers in the draft. We think the

1231
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 1: Bills are interested in the wide receiver. Who should they

1232
00:55:58,160 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: be looking at? Who are you gonna watch tonight when

1233
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 1: they get on? Well, we actually start. I was talking

1234
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: with Great Cosell, he know very well, and we're starting

1235
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 1: to put together a draft show for matchup. And it

1236
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 1: was interesting because we said, how do we get all

1237
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 1: these wide receivers in? There's so much talent in this

1238
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 1: wide receiver class. How do we how do we get

1239
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: all these guys in? For me, if you were gonna

1240
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 1: put him in tears, I think it's Jerry Judy from

1241
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: Alabama and everyone else. That's right, Matt. Right now, I

1242
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:22,320
Speaker 1: think he is the cleared number one wide receiver in

1243
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 1: this class because and Steve can speak to this, his

1244
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 1: ability to get open. You know, I understand the forty

1245
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 1: times the vertical we're going to see today's short shut all.

1246
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 1: I get all that. But when I watched the tape

1247
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 1: of Jerry Judy Alabama and see his route running traits,

1248
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: his explosive traits, his ability to get from A to

1249
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 1: B quickly and create separation, that's gonna transition to the NFL.

1250
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 1: That's gonna transition to the NFL. Henry Ruggs a third

1251
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: from Alabama. I'm telling you, man, I don't think you

1252
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 1: need a forty tonight because you watch the film. He

1253
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 1: can fly okay, And people have been talking about him

1254
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,479
Speaker 1: running in the four two Steve, I don't think people

1255
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 1: understand how fast that is. That's like Olympic Okay, that

1256
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 1: is moving. That's a guy that's running. Yeah, that's the

1257
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 1: guy that starts from zero and is running really fast

1258
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 1: right away, right right's fast when he starts and with him,

1259
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 1: you know, and here's the thing, he's not just a

1260
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 1: speak out when you wash the tape at his Bama tape.

1261
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 1: He can run the route tree skills. Yeah, and Bama

1262
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 1: is I think a great senter because they do run

1263
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 1: a pro rot tree. You know. Um Te Higgins I

1264
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: like a lot from Clemson. You know, Higgins has got length,

1265
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: he's got the frame, the body size, He's got an

1266
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 1: enormous catch radius. I think he's a detailed rout runner.

1267
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: He's got more bend than you would think for a

1268
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: taller player, and a lot of deep incut. So you're

1269
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 1: looking for a fit for the Bills, you know, and

1270
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 1: we just talked about Cole Beasley and John Brown. For me,

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Speaker 1: you say, okay, what do we have. We have our

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00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 1: slot guy who can get work in the middlefield. We

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00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 1: got our deep ball guy and John Brown. Okay, where's

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Speaker 1: our possession guy. Where's our guy for Josh on third

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Speaker 1: and seven to ten where I can throw that deep

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Speaker 1: incut or throw the deep over out and even if

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Speaker 1: he's not separating completely, I can. I know he can

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Speaker 1: make the catch and doesn't have to be a perfect throw. Yeah,

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00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: that's the other thing. Does have to be a perfect throw.

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Speaker 1: Here's the unrealistic question. We asked our listeners on Twitter yesterday,

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Speaker 1: if the Bills were to get a wide receiver draft

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00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 1: or free agency, what's the most important characteristic for the Bills?

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00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: Is it size? Length, is its speed or is it

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00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: good hands? And I know it's not realistic. They want

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00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: a guy who can has all of that. Oh yeah,

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00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 1: you want a combination involve it. For me, it's someone

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Speaker 1: that can make him plays uncontested throws. I think that

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Speaker 1: if you have someone for Josh when I mentioned third

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Speaker 1: and seven to ten, someone inside the red zone that

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00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 1: can be a match issue for opposing defenses, that gives

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Speaker 1: you an advantage, that gives you an advantage you can

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Speaker 1: do backside of three by one sets isolation routes to him,

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00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 1: find the matchup you want and say, look, we're gonna

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00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 1: throw the quick inside skinny posts. Go make a play

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00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 1: for us, and Josh can put it up tall, So

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna put it up tall, go finish his play

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Speaker 1: for me, and I think te Higgins can do that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what we've talked a lot about, you know this. You

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00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: talk about guy like Judy and these guys that can

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00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 1: run routes and stuff, and we've talked about the difference

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Speaker 1: between and we had I can't remember who, we had,

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00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 1: a Miller or somebody on today this morning. That you

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00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: get these guys that are really fast, really fast, really fast,

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00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 1: and it's hard to be fast in a fast league,

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00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: But when you talk about route running, that's their ability

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00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 1: not to run fast, but to stop hardy and then

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00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 1: explode out of the break because that's that's where you

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00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 1: get separation, that's where the windows become big enough. And

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00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 1: you can do that as a guy that doesn't run

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Speaker 1: a four four four three, but he can do it

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00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 1: as a guy runs a four or five four five

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00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 1: if your ability to stop hard is there. So are

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00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 1: there guys at at the lower level here that are

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00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 1: still going to be able to run a four, five,

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00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 1: five or four or five nine forty and still be

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00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 1: effective at the pro level. Sure are. I think a

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00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 1: good example is Michael Pittman from USC. Michael Pittman, I

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00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 1: think you measure that six four even pro body type. Again,

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00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 1: a similar type of route track. I think with T

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00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 1: Higgins might not be as explosive in terms of traits

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00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 1: as T Higgins, but again, someone can stop and start

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Speaker 1: and get open, and then you have that big frame,

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00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: and that's somebody can get later or the draft. You're

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Speaker 1: know he's not gonna be a first round player. That's

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Speaker 1: somebody can look at and date maybe day two of

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Speaker 1: the draft. So you have to look deeper down the

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Speaker 1: list because it is such a deep list. Does that

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Speaker 1: mean the Bill should not spend the first round or

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Speaker 1: on a receiver? Oh, I don't agree. I don't necessarily

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Speaker 1: agree with that. You know, I always try to put

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Speaker 1: myself in that situation. I want to think it's extremely

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Speaker 1: hard to make that final call. But I think if

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Speaker 1: you have a player that's great, extremely high, and he

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Speaker 1: was on your board and he's a wide receiver, you

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Speaker 1: take him, you know, because it is that deeply if

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Speaker 1: you want another one you draftedto the wide receiver later.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's that deep of a class right now.

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Speaker 1: So if there's the one you have that first or

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Speaker 1: second tier, whatever the names are, and he's on the

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Speaker 1: board when you're on the clock, I think this is

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Speaker 1: a prime opportunity to take. ILL give you an idea

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01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 1: when and when I was playing, and maybe you can

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Speaker 1: relate to this. I was playing with James Lofton and

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01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 1: read and stuff, and we you know, some fast guys,

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01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 1: quick guys, and we'd run and one of the things

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01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 1: that happens to you when you get as an old receiver,

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01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 1: I remember this feeling this. James Lofton said I could

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Speaker 1: still run fast when I was thirty three because I

1349
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 1: just couldn't stop hardy right right. And I remember this too.

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01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 1: Went at the end of my career. I was thirty five.

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01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 1: I could run. I felt my best physically. I wasn't

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01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 1: hurting or aching. Only when I was running flat out.

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01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 1: That's when I felt my best. But when I started

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01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 1: to stop, or even when I was standing around, I

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01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 1: was aching. But I felt my best when I was

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01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 1: running flat out. So it gets the point where the

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Speaker 1: skills that are the difference makers are the ones that

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Speaker 1: are roade first. You can't stop hard, you can't explode,

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Speaker 1: you can steal. Everybody out there on the field could run.

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Speaker 1: It's the it's the bottom line. Every guy from the

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Speaker 1: big fat guys to the small dbs. Let's see you run.

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Speaker 1: That's what everybody has to do. And it's what you

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Speaker 1: do around that that is the most coveted trait, whether

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Speaker 1: it's catching, explosion, change of direction, whatever, what have you,

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Speaker 1: or just the and all that stuff deteriorates first when

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Speaker 1: you get older. So these young fresh guys coming in

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01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 1: that they almost it's almost comical how how athletic they are.

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Speaker 1: And I agree with you right, I always use a

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Speaker 1: term fast taste fast. Sean Jackson can still fly teddy again, yes,

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Speaker 1: and still run all day. But it's that that ability

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Speaker 1: to bend, stop and start lateral quickness or short area

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Speaker 1: speed coming out of the break. And again that's what

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01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 1: unless you're running, you know to go catch go route,

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01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to turn direction right and you know

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01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to separate, and that you bring up

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01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 1: a great point about the change of direction ability. That's

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01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 1: but again that's why they test short shuttle and the

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01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 1: three cone drop. The drills are important. They have value

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01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 1: to them. You know when someone says the combine doesn't

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01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 1: mean a thing, why are we here? Yeah? What are

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01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 1: we doing here? And it does matter. It's a piece

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Speaker 1: of the puzzle. And it's also part of the fact

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01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 1: that you know, they come up through a tough college

1384
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 1: career with the physical game. You gotta check and see

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01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 1: how healthy you do. For sure, you do know they

1386
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 1: got could you get nagging stuff that sticks with you?

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01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I you know every day sometimes pay

1388
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 1: the price for this some of the stuff that happened

1389
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 1: to me thirty years right. So it's something that it's

1390
01:02:57,040 --> 01:03:00,919
Speaker 1: very important, and it's still a critical CBA. They're still

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01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 1: talking about player safety. It's a real thing. It's a

1392
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 1: real thing. You only got so many miles and so

1393
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:08,440
Speaker 1: many laps on your body, and you gotta you gotta

1394
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 1: Steward does well. I agree with Matt Bowen a couple

1395
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 1: of minutes left here. He's co host the NFL matchup

1396
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 1: on ESPN. You wrote a post about the most intriguing

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01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 1: teams in the draft. You had the LA Chargers sixth

1398
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 1: overall pick is number one. What's so intriguing about the

1399
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 1: Charger Well, for me, it was the decision what's going

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01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 1: to happen at quarterback? And this is before Philip left them. Yeah,

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01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 1: before Philip left in because I had an you know,

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01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 1: you started to have a feeling if if he does leave,

1403
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 1: what's their next step? Because if they're on the clock

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01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 1: at number six, then we're gonna have a real shot

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01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 1: at taking a quarterback. And they you know, they need

1406
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 1: offensive line help as well. Could they take an offensive

1407
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 1: line and shure they could? I understand that. Um, but

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01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:51,120
Speaker 1: is this the time where we see the Chargers invest

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01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 1: into a young quarterback? And could it be ta could

1410
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 1: it be Herbert from Oregon? Or could it be a

1411
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 1: Jordan Love from Utah? Stay who maybe climbs We don't

1412
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 1: know yet. That's that's a great thing about this is

1413
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:05,439
Speaker 1: you watch the film, you talk about it, you're here

1414
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 1: talking with scouts, you see him work out. We still

1415
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 1: got a long way to go, right, We got a

1416
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 1: long way to go to this to opening eye of

1417
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 1: the draft. But the Chargers to me are interesting because

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01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 1: I do think there's a lot of talent in that

1419
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 1: ruster talent in the secondary talent as pass rushers. Again,

1420
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 1: they need to upgrade on the offensive line, there's no

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01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 1: question about that. But the quarterback position, for me, would

1422
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 1: be very interesting. If they were draft a quarterback top ten,

1423
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 1: what would happen and what would a quarterback have to do?

1424
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 1: Because we talk about guys who you know, we talk

1425
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 1: about like a Jordan Love who all of a sudden

1426
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 1: goes from wherever he was all the way up in

1427
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 1: a whole maybe he's a mid first round or you

1428
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:43,400
Speaker 1: know that kind of thing you see to hear about

1429
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 1: guys improving their stock in the draft. What would a

1430
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 1: quarterback at that position? What's one of those guys have

1431
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 1: to do too? Like, I don't know, is it all

1432
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 1: about measurables or is it I would think I think

1433
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 1: it would be more than that. I think it would

1434
01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 1: be I mean to crash and burn at this draft,

1435
01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:00,200
Speaker 1: you know, so yeah, I think, well I think it

1436
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 1: would start here. I think if it was someone who

1437
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:05,920
Speaker 1: didn't do extremely well when they put him up in

1438
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 1: the whiteboard or when you know a lot of teams

1439
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 1: what they do is they throw on the college film,

1440
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 1: they say, break down this this play for me, what happened?

1441
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 1: And if you're not explaining it in a way that

1442
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 1: it's gonna work in the NFL, then maybe you know,

1443
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 1: it might be, it might not. It doesn't mean the

1444
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 1: guys are bust any means, but it might mean. You

1445
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 1: know what, he needs to developed a little more when

1446
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 1: he gains an art system. You have a plan for that,

1447
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 1: right yeah, Because if he let's say he runs a

1448
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 1: spread system where its half field reads, and you go

1449
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 1: to the NFL and you gotta read the entire field,

1450
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 1: you gotta process a lot quicker against the NFL speed.

1451
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 1: He said, Look, we love his traits, we love his athletics,

1452
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 1: we love his college production. But we have to have

1453
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:40,680
Speaker 1: a veteran there right now because we can't put him

1454
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:42,680
Speaker 1: out there in week one. Hey man, last thing I

1455
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 1: have for you, and it's back to the Buffalo Bills.

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01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 1: What um from a matchup? Since you do that show

1457
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:50,480
Speaker 1: every week NFL Matchup? What are the Buffalo Bills need

1458
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 1: to get or need to do this offseason to get

1459
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 1: good matchups on a consistent basis and maybe challenge for

1460
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,920
Speaker 1: a championship, maybe challenge for it. Well, I like the rowtree,

1461
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 1: and I do think it comes down to I think

1462
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 1: it's a little bit you know scheme. I love the scheme.

1463
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:06,800
Speaker 1: First of all, I love what they do defensively, okay,

1464
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 1: because you don't have to be you don't have to

1465
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 1: have guys flying everywhere to win a defensive football. They're

1466
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 1: so fundamentally sound. But what you can tell their defensive

1467
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 1: backs communicate just about watching the film, they're kind of

1468
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 1: boring defensively really well. Yeah, it's it's a lot of

1469
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 1: split safeties, you know, play some single high to bring

1470
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 1: some pressure at times. But they went because they tackle,

1471
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:27,920
Speaker 1: they runs the football, They communicate well, they play with

1472
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 1: leveraging technique. Okay, sometimes it's not very complicated, right, it's football. Um. Offensively, um,

1473
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 1: I love the play action game. I love that they

1474
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 1: mix in the RPOs of Josh and I think if

1475
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:40,439
Speaker 1: you go to certain games, the Baltimore game stands out

1476
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:42,080
Speaker 1: to me. If he hits a couple more of those

1477
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 1: deep ball throws, Okay, if he hits a couple more

1478
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:47,480
Speaker 1: of those deep ball throws, uh, that's a different That's

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Speaker 1: that's a difference maker there. Um. In terms of adjusting

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Speaker 1: the scheme, I you know, we talked about drafting a

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Speaker 1: wide receiver. If you have one of those wide receivers

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Speaker 1: complement the other two players, if you get more development

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01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 1: from Dawson Knox. I really like him. I really like him.

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01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 1: I think he could be a matchup guy for them,

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01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 1: A guy who can press the seam, guy can run

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Speaker 1: after the catch. She start building a round them more.

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Speaker 1: But in terms of the scheme, I like the scheme.

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01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 1: They do a lot of crossers, do a lot of

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01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:15,160
Speaker 1: play action. They create open windows for him instead of

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01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 1: come down a situation where at times Josh can be

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Speaker 1: a one speed thrower. What I mean by that is,

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01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 1: you know, if you look at the numbers, his sweet

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01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 1: spot sweet spot is ten to twenty yards down the field,

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01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:27,480
Speaker 1: those those intermediate throws, because he can put the ball

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01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 1: in any window you want right and he can throw

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01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 1: on rhythm. I think where he has to improve his underneath,

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01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 1: you know, and over the top. And if you get

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01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:38,040
Speaker 1: that with the scheme they have and you start to

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01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 1: add a little bit more talent around him, and with

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Speaker 1: what we don't know what's going to happen in New England,

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01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:43,960
Speaker 1: that's the vision could be wide open. I want to

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01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 1: mention that. But you're right, you don't know their defenses

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01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 1: and it speaks to the way they run their defense. Um,

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01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 1: they don't really have to hit a home run in

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01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 1: free agency or doing things because they've got a rotation

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01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 1: up front. There's gonna be guys about all those guys

1507
01:07:57,720 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 1: played about half the snaps on defense, that kind of thing.

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01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 1: And I've noticed this throughout my career and as a

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01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 1: broadcaster and as a player. The best defenses the first

1510
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:10,520
Speaker 1: guy to the ball makes the tackle. Right, It's that simple.

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01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:13,800
Speaker 1: I mean, it's because the you're gonna have guys around it.

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01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:15,600
Speaker 1: If the first guy there can get the guy on

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01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:17,599
Speaker 1: the ground, your defense is going to be a top

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01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 1: ten defense at least, if not much better. And they've

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01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 1: been able to do that. There's no run after not

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01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:27,200
Speaker 1: in yards after contact, breaking tangles, tackles, The first guy

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01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:28,479
Speaker 1: to the ball makes a tackle, and you're gonna have

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01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 1: a pretty good defense. Yeah, you missed a tackle on

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01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 1: Friday night where I coach one of you. You You probably

1520
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 1: run him down. You missed tackle the NFL man, it's gone.

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01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 1: It's time struck up the band playing the right song, right,

1522
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 1: that's right? Hey, you your comments on Josh. We got

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01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:41,800
Speaker 1: a guy coming up a Jordan Palmer who works with

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01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:44,200
Speaker 1: Johnson the season. He's coming up right next after you.

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01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:46,680
Speaker 1: Matt it's great to see you again here. Another great

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01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 1: high school season for you. Right up. Yeah, we had

1527
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 1: a great season. We won eleven football games. Man, it's

1528
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:53,800
Speaker 1: the state quarterfinals. It was a great season. Great kids.

1529
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 1: I love being a part of it. It's great gradually,

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01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 1: good luck, all right, thank you, thanks for coming in, man,

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01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:02,040
Speaker 1: Thank you. ESPN NFL analyst co host of NFL Matchup

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01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:04,519
Speaker 1: on ESPN. We're coming back. Jordan Palmer's gonna join us

1533
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 1: when we return. It's one Bill's Live, presented by allat

1534
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:09,840
Speaker 1: of Health from the NFL Combine, and indeed this is

1535
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bill's Radio. Welcome back to the NFL Shouting Combine.

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01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 1: We are radio only today on our coverage of the

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01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:26,720
Speaker 1: combine because of the snowstorm or the thread of a

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01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 1: snowstorm coming to western New York. Yes, easy for us

1539
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:33,240
Speaker 1: to poo poo the snowstorm that's five hundred miles away. Well,

1540
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:35,080
Speaker 1: they got a little storm here today. It wasn't much

1541
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:38,040
Speaker 1: either one or two inches here. That doesn't know what

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01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 1: a snowstorm Buffalo does, which is why I'm surprised we

1543
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 1: don't have a show I'm MSG today. But whatever, it's

1544
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:48,240
Speaker 1: a perfect, perfect excuse to kids are home from school.

1545
01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:50,280
Speaker 1: You can take a day off. Man, it's too snowy

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01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:53,920
Speaker 1: to go in. That's what I do. Good to know

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01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:57,000
Speaker 1: that'll go in your file. As a matter of fact, Hey,

1548
01:09:57,360 --> 01:09:59,320
Speaker 1: Jordan Palmer's going to join us in a minute or two.

1549
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:01,639
Speaker 1: We'll talk with him about Josh Ellen. He's been working

1550
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 1: with them throughout the entire offseason so far. We're gonna

1551
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 1: update on Josh Ellen from his quarterback guru, Jordan Palmer

1552
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:08,800
Speaker 1: in a moment. We have a good Twitter poll going

1553
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:11,760
Speaker 1: and you're welcome to get in on that. And the

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01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:16,160
Speaker 1: question we have is this, what are the important the

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01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 1: most important characteristic for the Buffalo Bills as they assess

1556
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:22,160
Speaker 1: the prospects here at the combine the most important characteristic

1557
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:24,360
Speaker 1: the Bills should look for. Fifty four percent of you

1558
01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:27,080
Speaker 1: say it's attitude, work ethic, thirty nine percent of you

1559
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:31,439
Speaker 1: say it's athletic ability, four percent say physical health, and

1560
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:33,680
Speaker 1: three percent say something else. Give us a call to

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01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 1: discuss eight oh three five fifty toll free one eight

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01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 1: eight eight five fifty two five fifty. I'm surprised that

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01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:43,599
Speaker 1: there's not more emphasis from our listeners on the health, which,

1564
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:47,200
Speaker 1: as you said, the professionals here, Brandon Being et cetera

1565
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:49,880
Speaker 1: will tell you that's the critical component of what they're

1566
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:52,519
Speaker 1: looking at. And I'm surprised there's not more focused on,

1567
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:56,519
Speaker 1: you know, work ethic, attitude. They know they're all good athletes. Look,

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01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:58,600
Speaker 1: there's three hundred players here. Every one of them is

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01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:01,400
Speaker 1: a good athlete. That's why they're here. One of the

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01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:03,880
Speaker 1: things they always ask about and try to decipher with

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01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:07,520
Speaker 1: these young players is what motivates them? Why do they play?

1572
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:12,200
Speaker 1: And the best answer you can get from them is

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01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:15,600
Speaker 1: something along the lines of I want to be the

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01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:19,680
Speaker 1: best ever at my position to play, or I want

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01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:21,880
Speaker 1: to become a legendary player. I want to be a

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01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:24,679
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame caliber player, I want to be the best.

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01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 1: I want to be a player that everybody knows who

1578
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:29,920
Speaker 1: you know you want to be Because here's what happens.

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01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 1: And you get people who say, you know, I want

1580
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 1: to play in the NFL, I've always wanted to play. Well,

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01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:37,000
Speaker 1: here's the thing. They make the team once that goal

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01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 1: is reached, and it's hard to find another goal that

1583
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:43,439
Speaker 1: you know, you've been living with this goal in your

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01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:45,960
Speaker 1: life for twenty one, twenty two years, and all of

1585
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 1: a sudden you've reached it. Well, now what you want

1586
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:51,559
Speaker 1: to have? These guys whose goals are never ending, whose

1587
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:54,559
Speaker 1: motivation is never has no ceiling. I want to be

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01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 1: the greatest ever. That's a long It takes a long

1589
01:11:57,439 --> 01:11:59,479
Speaker 1: time to be known as the greatest ever. It takes

1590
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:02,000
Speaker 1: a lot of accomplishments to be the greatest ever. Takes

1591
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:05,559
Speaker 1: the championships and Pro Bowls and All Pros, and it

1592
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:09,639
Speaker 1: takes repeated accomplishments like that to do it. So that's

1593
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 1: one of the things they try and decipher about these

1594
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:14,960
Speaker 1: young guys is what motivates them and how far will

1595
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:18,840
Speaker 1: that motivation carry him. A couple of tweeted responses will

1596
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 1: go to the Corgan Moving Systems tweet sheet brought to

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01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:24,360
Speaker 1: you by Corgan Moving Systems, the official movers of the

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01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:28,960
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills. Jack w Anderson tweets in the right answer

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01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:31,519
Speaker 1: to this question is ability. This is the NFL. You

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01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 1: need great players with talent. However, as we know, they

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01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:36,760
Speaker 1: value the process and culture, so I believe they place

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01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:39,240
Speaker 1: it as a higher priority on players who work and

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01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 1: are good characters who fit their culture rather than getting

1604
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:44,600
Speaker 1: talent and grooming it. And Jack does not go on

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01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:46,759
Speaker 1: to say whether you think that's a fault I'm mistake

1606
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 1: made by the Buffalo bills placing the emphasis on culture

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01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 1: and work ethic as opposed to talent. It sounds like

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01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:58,800
Speaker 1: you might, I don't know. Yeah, everybody's got their own

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01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:02,800
Speaker 1: idea of what they can look for, and I don't know.

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01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:07,120
Speaker 1: I um, for me, it comes down to, you know what,

1611
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:11,280
Speaker 1: because I'm I want to I want good guys on

1612
01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:13,479
Speaker 1: our my team. I want to go to work with

1613
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:15,479
Speaker 1: a guy who I respect and love and I know

1614
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:17,640
Speaker 1: who's really working hard and who's doing it ay, and

1615
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 1: who's not blowing everything up that he's accomplished today by

1616
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:23,719
Speaker 1: going out tonight. And you say that as a teammate,

1617
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:27,120
Speaker 1: as a teammate, and and because I know that this

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01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:29,559
Speaker 1: is a it's a culture that they've built here in

1619
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:34,160
Speaker 1: Buffalo that thrives on that, and they they maximize the

1620
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:36,040
Speaker 1: guys they have in the room. They may not be

1621
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:37,880
Speaker 1: as talented as other teams, but they are a better

1622
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:41,320
Speaker 1: team than a lot of teams. And I think that's

1623
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:44,720
Speaker 1: what shows through when you talk about culture and the

1624
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:47,639
Speaker 1: attitude in the workplace, that in the environment that these

1625
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:49,880
Speaker 1: guys live and work in, we're talking with Maddie glab

1626
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:51,920
Speaker 1: about this in the first couple of minutes of the show.

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01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:55,000
Speaker 1: There is and Matt Bowen just reconfirmed it. There is

1628
01:13:55,040 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 1: a good feelings from really disinterested observers like Matt about

1629
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:02,640
Speaker 1: how the Bills operate what they do right, Matt bow

1630
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:05,040
Speaker 1: and echoed what everybody else has said. You should know

1631
01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:07,479
Speaker 1: that when you when you follow the Bills, you should

1632
01:14:07,479 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 1: know that this team is and this leadership of the

1633
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:12,080
Speaker 1: team is very highly regarded right now. Not ten wins

1634
01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:14,120
Speaker 1: had a lot to do with that, Steve, but it's

1635
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:16,280
Speaker 1: beyond that, right It's it's the way they do business

1636
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 1: that gets people's attention. Yeah, and Sean McDermot was quoted

1637
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:22,320
Speaker 1: today as saying, if you're coming to Buffalo, you're going

1638
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 1: to be the best version of yourself on and off

1639
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:27,400
Speaker 1: the field. They work on these guys as human beings

1640
01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:30,920
Speaker 1: and as professionals and football and better football players are

1641
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:33,760
Speaker 1: a result of that effort, and these guys who come

1642
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:35,759
Speaker 1: to Buffalo the young player and I think it's evident

1643
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:38,280
Speaker 1: in the fact that even the great players that the

1644
01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 1: high draft picks, like ed Oliver, Cody Ford, all these

1645
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:47,280
Speaker 1: guys elevate their game week to week to week during

1646
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:49,439
Speaker 1: their first season the Bills and through their career as

1647
01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 1: a Buffalo Bill. Shack Lawson is a great example of that,

1648
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:55,360
Speaker 1: and the Jordan Phillips is a great example of that.

1649
01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:58,280
Speaker 1: The atmosphere and Micah Hyde and Jordan Poyer, I mean

1650
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:01,040
Speaker 1: they they were not how whold names when they came

1651
01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:03,240
Speaker 1: into Buffalo on the ground floor. They came in on

1652
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:06,200
Speaker 1: the ground floor. They have got everybody in that building.

1653
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 1: Tremaine Edmonds, good Gree. I mean he's a big, strong, huge,

1654
01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:14,720
Speaker 1: you know, rangy athlete, but man, oh man, you talk

1655
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:16,439
Speaker 1: to the people around that building and the people whove

1656
01:15:16,439 --> 01:15:19,000
Speaker 1: played against him and play with him he's in the

1657
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:23,479
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl. They get better. And I think that's one

1658
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:25,639
Speaker 1: of the montras that Sean McDermott sells to the young

1659
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:27,639
Speaker 1: players they talked to in these interviews or whatever. They

1660
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:29,679
Speaker 1: want guys with that mindset, if they can find them.

1661
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 1: On the tweet sheet from Mike N in answer to

1662
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:36,240
Speaker 1: our question what characteristic should the Bill's focus on, Mike

1663
01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:39,519
Speaker 1: N says work ethic really matters. Who had more talent?

1664
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:42,320
Speaker 1: He says, dare answer Kyle Williams who had a better

1665
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:46,080
Speaker 1: work ethic, Who had most productive career, hands down, Kyle Williams.

1666
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 1: I can't argue with that. Kyle Williams was and Darius

1667
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 1: Palley was more talents a much more talented athlete. Yeah,

1668
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:56,080
Speaker 1: and Kyle's a fifth round talent. That's you know, that's

1669
01:15:56,320 --> 01:15:58,800
Speaker 1: you know, his height and weight and size and measurables

1670
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:03,280
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. He's fifth rounder and he leaves

1671
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:08,519
Speaker 1: as a legendary player because of his professionalism, work, ethic,

1672
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:11,880
Speaker 1: leadership and all of that. M Kyle Williams made a

1673
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:13,519
Speaker 1: lot of money as a pro football player and he

1674
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:17,400
Speaker 1: didn't shut it down. And that's another thing that that

1675
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:19,920
Speaker 1: motivation comes in. If the guy wants to be rich

1676
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 1: and famous, football isn't that important to him rich? And

1677
01:16:24,040 --> 01:16:27,120
Speaker 1: you know money and fame are important to not football.

1678
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:29,000
Speaker 1: All Right, we gotta break here. Jordan Palmer coming up

1679
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:31,679
Speaker 1: and we return. It's One Bill's Live, presented by Collid

1680
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:34,040
Speaker 1: of Health from the Scouting Combine, an Indie. This is

1681
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:44,800
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bill's Radio back to the NFL Scouting down by

1682
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:47,160
Speaker 1: the Nindie, John Murphy, Steve Tasker and our special guests.

1683
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:50,280
Speaker 1: He's the men behind the Quarterback Summit in Southern California.

1684
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:52,320
Speaker 1: Jordan Palmer joins us. Jordan, good to be with you,

1685
01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:53,720
Speaker 1: good to see you, kind of thanks for having me,

1686
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:55,800
Speaker 1: super fun. We want to talk you about Josh, but

1687
01:16:55,840 --> 01:17:00,600
Speaker 1: you do have some prospects Josh Allen. Yeah, but you

1688
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:02,800
Speaker 1: don't have some prospects here in the combine. Talk about

1689
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:04,160
Speaker 1: some of your guys here and what you expect to

1690
01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:06,240
Speaker 1: see from tonight. Well, it is my favorite time of year,

1691
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:09,280
Speaker 1: draft training, you know, January, February March. I've always believed

1692
01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 1: this that because I was very poorly trained and very

1693
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:14,759
Speaker 1: poorly prepared for this process. So I think most coaches

1694
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:16,479
Speaker 1: trying to help guys with things that they screwed up.

1695
01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:20,240
Speaker 1: But I've always believed this that Let's say that Josh

1696
01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:21,840
Speaker 1: started playing when he was eight, and let's say that

1697
01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:25,080
Speaker 1: he plays fifteen years. Okay, that whole career. There's really

1698
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:29,759
Speaker 1: only one three month period where they have no teammates.

1699
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:31,920
Speaker 1: They don't have any other sports. They're playing like they

1700
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:34,160
Speaker 1: did when they're little. They don't have school, they don't

1701
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 1: have marketing deals that they're shooting content for yet. Their

1702
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:38,439
Speaker 1: buddies aren't calling them ask them to go out, their

1703
01:17:38,439 --> 01:17:40,400
Speaker 1: girlfriends not asked them to fly home. Their parents aren't

1704
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:42,599
Speaker 1: going we haven't talked to you them forever. They just

1705
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:45,200
Speaker 1: were the don't have teammates. They got to piece together

1706
01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:48,960
Speaker 1: and figure out they just can focus on themselves, right

1707
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:52,280
Speaker 1: Because even Josh right now and you're going into year three,

1708
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:55,280
Speaker 1: he he's golfing, he's working his tail off, but he's

1709
01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:58,040
Speaker 1: he's got marketing down the lines. He's travel he flew

1710
01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:00,280
Speaker 1: back to Buffalo the other day, like so it's just

1711
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:03,200
Speaker 1: never gonna happen again either. And uh, and so it represents, I,

1712
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:05,439
Speaker 1: in my opinion, the greatest opportunity through the span of

1713
01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:08,400
Speaker 1: your career to take a step physically, mentally, and emotionally.

1714
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:10,400
Speaker 1: And so this is my favorite time of year. So

1715
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:12,080
Speaker 1: I got a chance to spend a lot of time

1716
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:17,160
Speaker 1: with with Joe Burrow from LSU, with Cole McDonald from Hawaii,

1717
01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:23,599
Speaker 1: Stephen Montez from Colorado, and Jordan Left from Utah State

1718
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:25,200
Speaker 1: and a couple and a bunch of other pass catchers

1719
01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:26,920
Speaker 1: to a bunch of receivers, tight ends and running backs.

1720
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:29,320
Speaker 1: And so it represents a great opportunity to help these

1721
01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:32,040
Speaker 1: guys and uh, and it's been a blast. And I've

1722
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:34,360
Speaker 1: never because I haven't worked with this many receivers before

1723
01:18:34,439 --> 01:18:36,240
Speaker 1: I've never been so excited to get to India and

1724
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:38,200
Speaker 1: watch these guys performance two hours. Um, we're gonna get

1725
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:40,240
Speaker 1: to Josh. But I hear people comparing Jordan's love to

1726
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 1: Josh Allen. Is it just a size comparison or nah?

1727
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:45,760
Speaker 1: I think they both throw the ball well, and they're

1728
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:49,160
Speaker 1: both athletic, but they're not the same size. You know,

1729
01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 1: I'd say that, not in terms of predicting success, but

1730
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:55,719
Speaker 1: the comp I think for Jordan is probably more Patrick,

1731
01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:01,599
Speaker 1: similar size, similar to build somewere athoticy. Uh, not the

1732
01:19:01,640 --> 01:19:05,400
Speaker 1: same arm strength, but but right there. So for Jordan,

1733
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:06,880
Speaker 1: I would say, I would say him, So, give us

1734
01:19:06,920 --> 01:19:09,840
Speaker 1: the latest on what Josh Allen's been working on him,

1735
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:12,880
Speaker 1: and you know it's it's by his schedule. I mean, right,

1736
01:19:12,920 --> 01:19:15,400
Speaker 1: he comes in and and he just you guys map

1737
01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:17,439
Speaker 1: it out as you go through this off season. Well, first,

1738
01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:18,840
Speaker 1: I know that there was a lot of talk about

1739
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:20,320
Speaker 1: the struggle with the deep ball, and so we've just

1740
01:19:20,360 --> 01:19:22,240
Speaker 1: been playing with just when you throw it deep, let's

1741
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:24,479
Speaker 1: go lefty, you know, let's just go left handed and

1742
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:25,960
Speaker 1: just chuck it and see if we can develop a

1743
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:29,439
Speaker 1: touch ball. So now what we start with is just

1744
01:19:29,479 --> 01:19:32,600
Speaker 1: the areas of the areas of Um, the start with

1745
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:35,439
Speaker 1: building a getting back to your foundation. So at the

1746
01:19:35,560 --> 01:19:37,720
Speaker 1: end of anybody's season, whether that's a draft guy coming

1747
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:39,799
Speaker 1: to me, you know, at the end of his college season,

1748
01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:42,000
Speaker 1: or it's an NFL guy showing up after he just

1749
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:44,519
Speaker 1: took a break after his season. Um, you know, I

1750
01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:47,200
Speaker 1: think Joe and Josh both kind of finished their seasons

1751
01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:48,920
Speaker 1: around the same, like the same week or so. You know.

1752
01:19:49,160 --> 01:19:51,920
Speaker 1: I think the championship is the thirteenth thing. Josh's Houston

1753
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:54,960
Speaker 1: game was somewhere, yeah, somewhere on there. So you take

1754
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:57,120
Speaker 1: the time off that you need to take off, and then, Um,

1755
01:19:57,160 --> 01:19:58,920
Speaker 1: what happens though, is when you get to the end

1756
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 1: of the season, you're not the best shape you've been in.

1757
01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:03,439
Speaker 1: It's hard to stand shaped in the season, and you've

1758
01:20:03,439 --> 01:20:06,280
Speaker 1: had so much stuff around your feet that guys playing

1759
01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:08,559
Speaker 1: on their toes, whatever their bad habits were, they kind

1760
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:12,040
Speaker 1: of got they got conty, got scentuated. They're fading away

1761
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:13,840
Speaker 1: from throws a lot just because they've been playing games.

1762
01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:16,000
Speaker 1: They've got people falling around them, they're fading away and

1763
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:17,760
Speaker 1: all that. So one of the first things we do

1764
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:20,559
Speaker 1: is get back to just the basics and foundation, right,

1765
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:22,240
Speaker 1: do a lot of stuff. I had Josh for a

1766
01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:25,160
Speaker 1: week before we even started throwing balls, just footwork, just

1767
01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:27,360
Speaker 1: getting the base, getting all your cleats in the ground,

1768
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 1: getting you know when. In terms of establishing a bass,

1769
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:33,639
Speaker 1: I don't think it's shoulder with or some specific distance.

1770
01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:35,439
Speaker 1: I just say jump up in the air and land

1771
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:38,040
Speaker 1: when you land from falling out of the sky. That's

1772
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:41,160
Speaker 1: your body's most athletic position. That's your base. Everyone has

1773
01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:43,639
Speaker 1: a little different one. And so really in the beginning

1774
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:46,360
Speaker 1: is just getting that going. Started throwing one day a week,

1775
01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:49,200
Speaker 1: then we're at two days a week. He is he

1776
01:20:49,240 --> 01:20:52,840
Speaker 1: does not need to be ready by March fifteenth, you

1777
01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:55,000
Speaker 1: know what I mean, it's a marathon. And so and

1778
01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:56,639
Speaker 1: I learned this so when I backed up my brother

1779
01:20:56,680 --> 01:21:00,800
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati. We would train together all offseason January February March,

1780
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:04,160
Speaker 1: but we would be at very different points. I as

1781
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:06,559
Speaker 1: a backup, trying to make the team, needed to be

1782
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:09,880
Speaker 1: peeking in OTAs. He would start touching a football in

1783
01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:13,240
Speaker 1: OTAs right. Right, doesn't mean he's lazy, It just means

1784
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:16,760
Speaker 1: he's on a different plan different Yeah, and so you know,

1785
01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:19,559
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold, Josh Allen Kyle Allen Jert stood on these

1786
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:21,920
Speaker 1: guys that are all out there right now, they're on

1787
01:21:21,960 --> 01:21:25,280
Speaker 1: a different plan. And so it starts one with land

1788
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:28,960
Speaker 1: the foundation, and then two trying to figure out from

1789
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:31,719
Speaker 1: a biomechanics standpoint and the way that the body's connecting

1790
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:35,679
Speaker 1: what led to the issues that you did have. And

1791
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:37,280
Speaker 1: so we're playing with a bunch of stuff right now.

1792
01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:39,880
Speaker 1: Richardan Palmer, who works as a quarterback consultant for Josh

1793
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:42,439
Speaker 1: Allen Josh and the deep ball. And I might be

1794
01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:45,280
Speaker 1: wrong about this, but my perception is in his rookie

1795
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:48,200
Speaker 1: year two seasons ago, Josh was okay throwing the deep ball,

1796
01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:49,599
Speaker 1: and he kind of got away from him last year.

1797
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:51,840
Speaker 1: Am I wrong about that? Well? I think every guy

1798
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:54,519
Speaker 1: everybody has, you know, some throws they want back, and

1799
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:57,080
Speaker 1: most quarterbacks it's the same type of throw they want back.

1800
01:21:57,080 --> 01:21:59,719
Speaker 1: Whether they always miss shallow crosses, or they threw slants

1801
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:01,920
Speaker 1: really low, or they overthrew deep balls, and it's just

1802
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:04,680
Speaker 1: a it's it's common for everybody. I mean, I talked

1803
01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:06,040
Speaker 1: to a lot of vts, whether I work with them

1804
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:08,160
Speaker 1: or not. Hey, what do you think of this? What

1805
01:22:08,160 --> 01:22:10,719
Speaker 1: do you think I need to work on, and there's

1806
01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:12,120
Speaker 1: kind of like if you look at like a heat map,

1807
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:14,960
Speaker 1: there's misses all over the place, right, But then there's

1808
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:16,560
Speaker 1: just kind of like a grouping of in one or

1809
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:18,599
Speaker 1: two areas. And so with Josh, you I would say

1810
01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:20,599
Speaker 1: the deep balls in area to improve. Now, the thing

1811
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:24,559
Speaker 1: about a deep ball is it is absolutely a two

1812
01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:27,320
Speaker 1: person deal, right, and so a lot of it is

1813
01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:29,840
Speaker 1: feel and what you're seeing and what they're doing and

1814
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:34,200
Speaker 1: putting I'm putting none. Josh certainly put zero blame on

1815
01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 1: anybody else. I'm not putting any words in his mouth.

1816
01:22:37,479 --> 01:22:39,720
Speaker 1: But I do think the feel that you have to

1817
01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:42,320
Speaker 1: throwing with guys is a piece of that, because what

1818
01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:44,080
Speaker 1: he's not doing is throwing it at a target forty

1819
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:46,080
Speaker 1: five yards away and missing the target, throwing it to

1820
01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:48,960
Speaker 1: a moving object and they all move differently, right. And

1821
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:51,599
Speaker 1: so the other thing is when you think about deep balls,

1822
01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:54,439
Speaker 1: it's the fans who are looking at it from the

1823
01:22:54,439 --> 01:22:57,920
Speaker 1: fan perspective are going, oh, that open one that he overthrew,

1824
01:22:58,040 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 1: and I don't even have one in mind, but assuming

1825
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:03,439
Speaker 1: that that happened. But deep balls don't have to get

1826
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:06,400
Speaker 1: completed because somebody ran by the defender and he's open,

1827
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:09,639
Speaker 1: and you hit him in stride high point a ball

1828
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:12,880
Speaker 1: being slightly to a fan's perspective, slightly underthrown, but with

1829
01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:15,240
Speaker 1: enough trajectory over the receiver can put two feet in

1830
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:18,519
Speaker 1: the ground, go up with two hands. That's a higher

1831
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:22,200
Speaker 1: percentage completion, throw higher and complete, higher completion percentage throw.

1832
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:25,360
Speaker 1: And so I look at it and I go, let's

1833
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:27,519
Speaker 1: solve for like the misses. But also, how do we

1834
01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:30,559
Speaker 1: develop this side of the deep ball game? You know,

1835
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:32,000
Speaker 1: how do you put guys in a position to go

1836
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:35,400
Speaker 1: up and make a play more consistently and better? Yet,

1837
01:23:35,439 --> 01:23:37,599
Speaker 1: how did they know that that's coming so that they

1838
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:39,920
Speaker 1: can at the last second set that up better? So

1839
01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:41,720
Speaker 1: that's why I mean, it really is a two way thing.

1840
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:43,080
Speaker 1: It's got to be a thing that you do with

1841
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:45,880
Speaker 1: your guys, which he's clearly going to be doing and

1842
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:49,240
Speaker 1: he's going to see a big improvement. Last offseason the

1843
01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:53,439
Speaker 1: theme was anticipation throwing guys open, and I think he

1844
01:23:53,479 --> 01:23:56,920
Speaker 1: did a took major strides in that area. And so

1845
01:23:56,960 --> 01:23:59,240
Speaker 1: when I think about Josh Allen the deep ball, it's like, yeah,

1846
01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:01,640
Speaker 1: he'll solve it. There's a couple of things we're gonna do.

1847
01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:03,040
Speaker 1: There's a bunch of things that Ken and the guys

1848
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:04,960
Speaker 1: are gonna do out in Buffalo, and I think it'll

1849
01:24:04,960 --> 01:24:06,760
Speaker 1: probably be a strong suite. Times we said that the

1850
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:08,680
Speaker 1: one thing about Josh after two years, you can say

1851
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:11,080
Speaker 1: is when he works on something, he usually gets better.

1852
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:12,479
Speaker 1: He's ahead of where I thought he'd be right now,

1853
01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:14,720
Speaker 1: by the way, right And I was chirping all the

1854
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:16,640
Speaker 1: draft and telling everybody how awesome this guy's gonna be.

1855
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:19,519
Speaker 1: But with that being said, because this is what's interesting

1856
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:22,160
Speaker 1: about Josh is he never took over and dominated and

1857
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:27,760
Speaker 1: won a single game at Wyoming. He like, never just

1858
01:24:28,479 --> 01:24:30,400
Speaker 1: rush for one hundred and fifty yards through for two

1859
01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:33,400
Speaker 1: fifty and beat the other team. So the question mark

1860
01:24:33,479 --> 01:24:35,400
Speaker 1: was always does this Is he going to be a gamer?

1861
01:24:35,479 --> 01:24:37,600
Speaker 1: Like is he okay? You got the Wyoming you know

1862
01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:40,160
Speaker 1: the issues there and the competition and this and that,

1863
01:24:40,240 --> 01:24:43,559
Speaker 1: and so it was hard for teams to really figure out,

1864
01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:45,920
Speaker 1: like does this actually translate? Does him throwing the ball

1865
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:49,120
Speaker 1: that hard translate? And what he's proven is it does

1866
01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:52,240
Speaker 1: more than translate. He's getting really good at winning games,

1867
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:57,160
Speaker 1: managing the clock, managing situation football, completing balls that needed

1868
01:24:57,160 --> 01:25:00,679
Speaker 1: to be completed, making plays that weren't there and uh,

1869
01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:03,280
Speaker 1: and it's he's played two he's played one year, I

1870
01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:05,560
Speaker 1: would say a year and a half. So you and you,

1871
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:07,760
Speaker 1: there isn't an art not science to it. I mean

1872
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:10,479
Speaker 1: you talk to quarterback, got coaches like yourself a lot

1873
01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:13,240
Speaker 1: of it. They do break into the technical jargon. You're

1874
01:25:13,240 --> 01:25:15,280
Speaker 1: a hip, you know, you displace them in your body

1875
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:17,080
Speaker 1: and your arm motion and all other stuff. But it

1876
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:18,599
Speaker 1: is when you start to throw the ball deep, it

1877
01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:21,200
Speaker 1: is a little bit about a relationship and it becomes

1878
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:24,760
Speaker 1: an art form between two guys trying to extend their

1879
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:26,760
Speaker 1: relationship with this long ball, you know what I'm saying.

1880
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:29,080
Speaker 1: And it does become a little bit more art and

1881
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:32,880
Speaker 1: for that reason, it's a little more mental. So you know,

1882
01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:35,439
Speaker 1: what do you do? You work on his mindset? Do

1883
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:40,120
Speaker 1: you give him Yeah, there's there's a psychological coaching point

1884
01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:41,400
Speaker 1: to throw in deep ball. So one of the things

1885
01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:43,560
Speaker 1: that I do with guys is I use the analogy

1886
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:47,360
Speaker 1: of I want to drop a pin on Google Maps. Okay,

1887
01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:49,760
Speaker 1: I want to tell him where to go with this throw.

1888
01:25:50,080 --> 01:25:52,160
Speaker 1: So I got a guy running a post and he's open.

1889
01:25:52,200 --> 01:25:54,120
Speaker 1: The coverage dictates that the post is going to be there.

1890
01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:55,640
Speaker 1: And I'm taking a hitch and I'm getting ready to

1891
01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:58,400
Speaker 1: throw the post. What I try and get guys away

1892
01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:01,160
Speaker 1: from is throwing it out in front of the guy

1893
01:26:01,400 --> 01:26:04,720
Speaker 1: or leading the guy. You are the one who's looking downfield.

1894
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:07,320
Speaker 1: This guy's running full speed looking back at you. You're

1895
01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:09,479
Speaker 1: the one that sees the field. Tell him where to

1896
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:12,040
Speaker 1: go with the ball. Meaning if he's running at this

1897
01:26:12,120 --> 01:26:14,639
Speaker 1: angle and there's no area open over here, tell him

1898
01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:16,960
Speaker 1: where to go with the ball, Drop a pin, meet

1899
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:20,040
Speaker 1: me right here. That's not a mechanical thing. That's a

1900
01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:23,320
Speaker 1: psychological thing. So I always put one two or three

1901
01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:25,719
Speaker 1: word sentences in guy's heads so that they can remind

1902
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:28,320
Speaker 1: themselves immediately. And so drop a pin is a theme

1903
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:32,040
Speaker 1: this offseason, just thinking about telling him where to go

1904
01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:36,000
Speaker 1: with the ball. Then the mechanical side of things, Look,

1905
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:38,040
Speaker 1: your spine angle changes. When you tilt your access to

1906
01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:40,320
Speaker 1: go throw right, it leans back. Your spine goes back,

1907
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:44,040
Speaker 1: and so how does the body work where Because Josh,

1908
01:26:44,040 --> 01:26:46,679
Speaker 1: it's never about getting more, it's about controlling what he has.

1909
01:26:46,760 --> 01:26:49,120
Speaker 1: He's so powerful, he's got the strongest I've ever been around.

1910
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:51,320
Speaker 1: So it's kind of almost like how do we build

1911
01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:55,000
Speaker 1: a governor? For this engine, right, that's gonna make you

1912
01:26:55,160 --> 01:26:57,439
Speaker 1: better on this track where you can't really go full speed,

1913
01:26:57,439 --> 01:26:59,200
Speaker 1: you'll get out of control of the turn. So I

1914
01:26:59,240 --> 01:27:01,959
Speaker 1: think with Josh it's not about creating more. It's about

1915
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:06,240
Speaker 1: controlling what he has, and so much of it his

1916
01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:08,400
Speaker 1: whole life has been out throwing the ball hard. And

1917
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:09,720
Speaker 1: for the last couple of years. When we get to

1918
01:27:09,720 --> 01:27:11,519
Speaker 1: the NFL, you realize that you don't throw the ball

1919
01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:13,840
Speaker 1: as hard as you can that often, especially when you

1920
01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:16,040
Speaker 1: have an arm like him, and so you know somebody

1921
01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:17,920
Speaker 1: breaks open down the field. Yeah, you chuck it deep,

1922
01:27:18,360 --> 01:27:21,880
Speaker 1: but coral routes digs. He did a fantastic job of

1923
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:24,960
Speaker 1: just layering digs in this year, throwing catchable for a

1924
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:28,519
Speaker 1: big arm guy. He's not a one pitch guy. People

1925
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:29,920
Speaker 1: don't sit there and go tell us a ball too

1926
01:27:29,960 --> 01:27:31,640
Speaker 1: hard all the time. They do with a lot of

1927
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:33,960
Speaker 1: other players, right, but you don't with Josh, And so

1928
01:27:34,720 --> 01:27:36,720
Speaker 1: controlling that deep ball. Part of it is psychological, and

1929
01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:38,840
Speaker 1: part of it is the mechanical side. Hey, Johny, you

1930
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:42,000
Speaker 1: look at stats and into in his second year is complete.

1931
01:27:42,040 --> 01:27:44,599
Speaker 1: Your percentage went from what fifty three percent to fifty

1932
01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:48,240
Speaker 1: eight percent touchdowns interceptions ratio twenty to nine in his

1933
01:27:48,280 --> 01:27:51,160
Speaker 1: second year. That was meaningful to you as you analyze

1934
01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:54,840
Speaker 1: his performance. Absolutely, it's hard to judge quarterbacks on stats

1935
01:27:54,880 --> 01:27:57,599
Speaker 1: because there really is a team deal, right Like, if

1936
01:27:57,640 --> 01:28:01,240
Speaker 1: he led the league and drops, then you can't really

1937
01:28:01,439 --> 01:28:03,439
Speaker 1: somebody leads the league and drops, you can't really fault

1938
01:28:03,439 --> 01:28:05,360
Speaker 1: them for the completion percentage because some of that had

1939
01:28:05,400 --> 01:28:09,599
Speaker 1: nothing to do with them. And touchdown interceptions, how often

1940
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:11,120
Speaker 1: did they go to bounce at the one? And you

1941
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:12,760
Speaker 1: know what I mean, how many screens went to the house.

1942
01:28:12,760 --> 01:28:16,639
Speaker 1: So it's not a these numbers improved, boy, he must

1943
01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:21,360
Speaker 1: be improved, but they are indicators. They're definitely indicators. If

1944
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:24,719
Speaker 1: he would have thrown thirty eight touchdowns and twenty picks,

1945
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:28,360
Speaker 1: I don't know that that's better. Yeah, right right, So um,

1946
01:28:28,720 --> 01:28:30,559
Speaker 1: that's what you know. You talk about the ratio, it's

1947
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:33,120
Speaker 1: it literally is a ratio one number divide about another.

1948
01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:37,000
Speaker 1: So um, yeah, I think those are indicators of improved success.

1949
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:39,559
Speaker 1: And I think he's just from the guy watching TV

1950
01:28:39,680 --> 01:28:43,400
Speaker 1: on the couch not missing any bills games. It seems

1951
01:28:43,439 --> 01:28:46,280
Speaker 1: like he's way more control with the offense and comfortable

1952
01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:49,600
Speaker 1: and and you know they can't say enough for like

1953
01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:51,559
Speaker 1: the staff, I mean, Brian Babel, Ken, Dorsey. I mean,

1954
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:55,439
Speaker 1: he's just got great resources, Matt Barkley behind him. He's

1955
01:28:55,479 --> 01:28:58,840
Speaker 1: just got great people around him right now. What so

1956
01:28:58,920 --> 01:29:00,920
Speaker 1: if you you know, you he's ahead of where he

1957
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:03,679
Speaker 1: thought he would be, what's put your you know, cap

1958
01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:05,320
Speaker 1: on and try and look down the future, you know,

1959
01:29:05,400 --> 01:29:08,000
Speaker 1: twelve months and you look back at the twenty twenty

1960
01:29:08,040 --> 01:29:11,000
Speaker 1: season for Josh, where's some things? How are you going

1961
01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:13,360
Speaker 1: to quantify where he's gotten better next? What's going to

1962
01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:16,280
Speaker 1: happen next for Josh Allen in his progress? Well, I'd

1963
01:29:16,280 --> 01:29:18,960
Speaker 1: look at the completion percentage on balls, but beyond twenty

1964
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:22,160
Speaker 1: five thirty yards, I think that'll be a big improvement. Um,

1965
01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:26,400
Speaker 1: I would assume there's opportunities to you know, add personnel

1966
01:29:26,479 --> 01:29:28,160
Speaker 1: like they did last off season. I think Brandon did

1967
01:29:28,160 --> 01:29:31,840
Speaker 1: a fantastic job with Beasley and Um drafting Singletary and

1968
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:35,160
Speaker 1: Frank and these different guys and uh and Smokey Um

1969
01:29:35,439 --> 01:29:38,200
Speaker 1: and so I think you know they're gonna They've proven

1970
01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:40,120
Speaker 1: that they're going to continue to put great pieces around there.

1971
01:29:40,160 --> 01:29:41,640
Speaker 1: And I think Brandon and his team are doing an

1972
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:44,320
Speaker 1: amazing job. Not that my opinion matters, but I'm a fan,

1973
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:48,200
Speaker 1: um and uh and so I would look for, you know,

1974
01:29:48,240 --> 01:29:50,519
Speaker 1: for him to be uh, you know, as a deep

1975
01:29:50,520 --> 01:29:52,559
Speaker 1: ball throw. I think he's gonna move to probably one

1976
01:29:52,600 --> 01:29:54,160
Speaker 1: of the top ten guys in the league next year.

1977
01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:56,439
Speaker 1: I don't want to create expectations, but I just see,

1978
01:29:56,520 --> 01:29:59,280
Speaker 1: like you identify a problem, you give him a plan,

1979
01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:01,439
Speaker 1: and then like the Soult's always awesome. So that's a

1980
01:30:01,479 --> 01:30:03,320
Speaker 1: pattern to me. Yeah, you know what I mean. That's

1981
01:30:03,360 --> 01:30:05,519
Speaker 1: not luck, that's not talent. That's just a pattern of

1982
01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:07,840
Speaker 1: a guy who's I mean, he showed up out in

1983
01:30:07,880 --> 01:30:10,920
Speaker 1: California and anybody falls him on Instagram looks like he's

1984
01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:14,040
Speaker 1: having a blast. He is. This dude's working his tail

1985
01:30:14,120 --> 01:30:18,120
Speaker 1: off right away, NonStop, dead focused on trying to be great.

1986
01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:19,560
Speaker 1: He wants' want to super Bowl nex shure, Jordan, The

1987
01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:21,840
Speaker 1: last question I have for you is how often and

1988
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:25,479
Speaker 1: what type of communication do you have with Sean McDermott

1989
01:30:25,479 --> 01:30:27,439
Speaker 1: and Brian David and Ken Dorsey in the Bills. How

1990
01:30:27,439 --> 01:30:29,240
Speaker 1: often do you gotta get with him and how often

1991
01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:30,680
Speaker 1: do you keep up with him on what you're doing

1992
01:30:30,720 --> 01:30:32,280
Speaker 1: with Josh. Yeah, we get we get a chance to

1993
01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:35,880
Speaker 1: connect every now and then, and for me, I'm trying

1994
01:30:35,880 --> 01:30:37,639
Speaker 1: to stay in my lane, right, So this is not

1995
01:30:38,200 --> 01:30:39,960
Speaker 1: this isn't my client, and I'm gonna do what I

1996
01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:42,040
Speaker 1: want with him. I want to. And the thing too,

1997
01:30:42,120 --> 01:30:44,040
Speaker 1: is like with Josh's he knows what they want him

1998
01:30:44,080 --> 01:30:46,080
Speaker 1: to do. So it's not a thing where I have

1999
01:30:46,120 --> 01:30:48,640
Speaker 1: to check in with the coaches because Josh knows what

2000
01:30:48,720 --> 01:30:51,560
Speaker 1: they want him to do. I'm gonna help Josh in

2001
01:30:51,640 --> 01:30:53,559
Speaker 1: a time period where the coaches can't work with him

2002
01:30:53,800 --> 01:30:55,640
Speaker 1: to do what the coaches would do with him if

2003
01:30:55,640 --> 01:30:58,639
Speaker 1: they could. Does that make sense? This isn't something where

2004
01:30:58,640 --> 01:31:00,240
Speaker 1: like I have this philosophy and I'm going to get

2005
01:31:00,240 --> 01:31:02,400
Speaker 1: you better and tell your coaches what we're doing. This

2006
01:31:02,479 --> 01:31:04,840
Speaker 1: is what have you guys talked about? How can I

2007
01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:07,800
Speaker 1: help supplement that. Sometimes that's just a place to throw

2008
01:31:07,960 --> 01:31:09,479
Speaker 1: and work on the thing that you want to work on.

2009
01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:11,759
Speaker 1: I don't talk for two hours straight we're on the field.

2010
01:31:11,960 --> 01:31:14,080
Speaker 1: I want these guys self. Correction is such a key

2011
01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:17,160
Speaker 1: piece for these guys becoming franchise guys, right, Jordan, thanks

2012
01:31:17,280 --> 01:31:19,240
Speaker 1: great to talk to your having me man. I love

2013
01:31:20,400 --> 01:31:22,760
Speaker 1: I believe this during the draft process that Josh is

2014
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:24,880
Speaker 1: just so Buffalo. I don't know if any people know this,

2015
01:31:24,960 --> 01:31:27,760
Speaker 1: but Buffalo is the biggest city he's ever lived in. Yeah,

2016
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:32,720
Speaker 1: say that about Fireball to lay me. Yeah, okay, think

2017
01:31:32,720 --> 01:31:35,240
Speaker 1: about that, right, And so you got a court like Buffalo.

2018
01:31:35,280 --> 01:31:38,280
Speaker 1: Anybody who's listening, You guys have a guy who wants

2019
01:31:38,320 --> 01:31:41,360
Speaker 1: to be there. He is not trying thinking about anything

2020
01:31:41,400 --> 01:31:43,160
Speaker 1: other than being a Buffalo Bill for the rest of

2021
01:31:43,160 --> 01:31:46,519
Speaker 1: his life. And this dude is so fired up to

2022
01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:49,920
Speaker 1: be there. He loves it. The Bill's Mafia thingum. It

2023
01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:52,920
Speaker 1: is just one of the all time great fits between

2024
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:55,000
Speaker 1: a city and a player, and I'm just fired up

2025
01:31:55,040 --> 01:31:58,320
Speaker 1: for him him to appreciate it. Thanks Jordan, Jordan Palmer

2026
01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:01,360
Speaker 1: Quarterback Summit in Southern California. Got a pretty good quarterback

2027
01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:03,080
Speaker 1: coming up next. Kurt Warner is going to join us.

2028
01:32:03,080 --> 01:32:05,599
Speaker 1: All the famer stick around. It's One Bill's Life, presented

2029
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:08,600
Speaker 1: by Collata Health from the NFL Scouting Combine. This is

2030
01:32:08,600 --> 01:32:11,639
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills Radio. The update comes from the NFL Scouting

2031
01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:15,160
Speaker 1: Combine in Indianapolis on field workouts started about four o'clock,

2032
01:32:15,240 --> 01:32:17,519
Speaker 1: just a couple hours away. Buffalo Bills will be on

2033
01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:19,840
Speaker 1: the lookout for some wide receiving talent, you would think

2034
01:32:20,080 --> 01:32:22,360
Speaker 1: why not selectly to be their focus of attention looking

2035
01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:25,800
Speaker 1: for playmakers for Josh Shallon and their struggling offense. Tom

2036
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:28,760
Speaker 1: Brady currently operating under the belief that he will go

2037
01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:31,719
Speaker 1: into free agency to play somewhere other than New England

2038
01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:34,320
Speaker 1: next season. That's what it sounds like a couple of

2039
01:32:34,360 --> 01:32:37,200
Speaker 1: people he's talked to. Brady has his eyes very clearly

2040
01:32:37,240 --> 01:32:39,519
Speaker 1: on free agency. There's still a belief in some circles

2041
01:32:39,560 --> 01:32:42,800
Speaker 1: that the Patriots will have their opportunity who convince him

2042
01:32:42,840 --> 01:32:45,160
Speaker 1: to stay with the New England Patriots. But at this point,

2043
01:32:45,160 --> 01:32:48,679
Speaker 1: Brady is evaluating the NFL landscape with the intention of departing.

2044
01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:52,559
Speaker 1: According to sources, NFL players voting on the new Collective

2045
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:56,920
Speaker 1: barn In Agreement after their Executive Committee and the NFL

2046
01:32:56,960 --> 01:33:00,840
Speaker 1: Player Reps voted to pass along seventeenth fourteen to one

2047
01:33:01,400 --> 01:33:04,840
Speaker 1: pass along the new CBA proposal, Aaron Rodgers, representing the

2048
01:33:04,840 --> 01:33:07,880
Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers, says he voted against it based on

2049
01:33:07,960 --> 01:33:10,000
Speaker 1: the feedback he was getting from some of his lower

2050
01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:13,240
Speaker 1: paid teammates on the Green Bay Packers Giants. Ever, least

2051
01:33:13,479 --> 01:33:17,800
Speaker 1: linebacker alec Ogletree teams said They've also cut linebacker Kareem

2052
01:33:17,800 --> 01:33:21,120
Speaker 1: Martin Ogletree, one of the league's highest paid inside linebackers

2053
01:33:21,120 --> 01:33:23,759
Speaker 1: over the last two years, maybe about ten million dollars.

2054
01:33:23,880 --> 01:33:27,000
Speaker 1: Last season, he became a liability in pass coverage and

2055
01:33:27,040 --> 01:33:29,920
Speaker 1: saw his playing time decrease. Cowboys have met with the

2056
01:33:29,960 --> 01:33:33,280
Speaker 1: agent for quarterback Dak Prescott as he approaches free agency.

2057
01:33:33,320 --> 01:33:35,920
Speaker 1: Prescott's agent says he met with the Cowboys brass in

2058
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:39,759
Speaker 1: Indianapolis here yesterday to discuss an extension for the Dallas quarterback.

2059
01:33:40,920 --> 01:33:43,200
Speaker 1: It's the first time the two sides have talked since

2060
01:33:43,320 --> 01:33:46,000
Speaker 1: last September, and the Colts are said to be interested

2061
01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:49,320
Speaker 1: in Philip Rivers, the quarterback just let go by the

2062
01:33:49,680 --> 01:33:53,200
Speaker 1: Los Angeles Chargers. The Colts interested in the service of Rivers,

2063
01:33:53,240 --> 01:33:55,280
Speaker 1: and from the many people that have been talked to

2064
01:33:55,560 --> 01:33:58,160
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis during the combine, there's a belief that Rivers

2065
01:33:58,160 --> 01:34:01,280
Speaker 1: will end up donning the Colt helmet this next year.

2066
01:34:01,400 --> 01:34:03,760
Speaker 1: Buffalo Sabers out West lost the first game with their

2067
01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:06,320
Speaker 1: four game road trip lost to Colorado three to two.

2068
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:09,519
Speaker 1: Sam s Gurginson and Curtis Lazarre with the goals. Sabers

2069
01:34:09,560 --> 01:34:12,080
Speaker 1: playing at the Las Vegas Golden Nights tomorrow night at

2070
01:34:12,120 --> 01:34:14,960
Speaker 1: ten pm. And there you go. That's the update from

2071
01:34:15,640 --> 01:34:18,040
Speaker 1: the NFL Scouting Combine an Indie. It is our third

2072
01:34:18,120 --> 01:34:20,640
Speaker 1: day here, John Murphy and Steve Tasker. You're ready to

2073
01:34:20,640 --> 01:34:23,320
Speaker 1: go for the third hour there, buddy, Yes, I am okay,

2074
01:34:23,400 --> 01:34:26,680
Speaker 1: I was riveting update. Well, thank you. Yeah, you had

2075
01:34:26,680 --> 01:34:28,760
Speaker 1: a chance to relax during the update. Well, some of

2076
01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:31,559
Speaker 1: us are working. Jordan Palmer. I could talk to Jordan

2077
01:34:31,560 --> 01:34:33,200
Speaker 1: Palmer for another hour, he had to go. I think

2078
01:34:33,240 --> 01:34:35,840
Speaker 1: he's doing something on NFL Network. He's got clients on

2079
01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:39,000
Speaker 1: the field today and including guys other than quarterbacks. I'm

2080
01:34:39,040 --> 01:34:40,720
Speaker 1: really I'm sure he's eager to see what they do.

2081
01:34:40,760 --> 01:34:43,040
Speaker 1: But I haven't talked to anybody who has as much

2082
01:34:43,040 --> 01:34:46,040
Speaker 1: insight into Josh Allen as Jordan Palmer had first just known,

2083
01:34:46,200 --> 01:34:49,559
Speaker 1: and people should you know? I think sure certainly there's

2084
01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:52,160
Speaker 1: some Bills fans out there who wonder about the dynamic

2085
01:34:52,240 --> 01:34:56,000
Speaker 1: between a coach who's privately paid for by the quarterback

2086
01:34:56,280 --> 01:34:59,000
Speaker 1: and his relationship to the guys who coach him professionally,

2087
01:34:59,040 --> 01:35:02,040
Speaker 1: like the difference between Brian day Ball and Ken Dorsey

2088
01:35:02,160 --> 01:35:05,519
Speaker 1: and Carson Palmer. Don't think that they're working at cross purposes.

2089
01:35:05,560 --> 01:35:08,040
Speaker 1: Those guys have a conversation and it's and it's not

2090
01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:10,920
Speaker 1: allowed for Ken Dorsey and Brian Table to work with

2091
01:35:11,000 --> 01:35:14,000
Speaker 1: Josh at this time of year. But as a professional,

2092
01:35:14,320 --> 01:35:16,120
Speaker 1: Josh is trying to get better, so he wants to work.

2093
01:35:16,160 --> 01:35:17,519
Speaker 1: He wants to get better. He wants to do some

2094
01:35:17,640 --> 01:35:19,760
Speaker 1: things to clean his game up and to get better

2095
01:35:19,760 --> 01:35:21,840
Speaker 1: and improved. So he hires a guy to do it.

2096
01:35:22,160 --> 01:35:25,679
Speaker 1: But that guy is also being guided by the guys

2097
01:35:25,680 --> 01:35:28,160
Speaker 1: who do it professionally. They have a relationship Ken Dorsey,

2098
01:35:28,240 --> 01:35:32,120
Speaker 1: Brian day Ball with Carson Palmer or Jordan Jordan Palmer

2099
01:35:32,439 --> 01:35:34,680
Speaker 1: and they work together to get Josh better. Now I

2100
01:35:34,760 --> 01:35:37,240
Speaker 1: think people Bill's fans will take comfort in that. Yeah.

2101
01:35:37,240 --> 01:35:38,640
Speaker 1: And Jordan said it right at the end there, and

2102
01:35:38,640 --> 01:35:41,160
Speaker 1: he said, look, I don't have an agenda. Josh knows

2103
01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:43,280
Speaker 1: what they wanted to do, how they wanted to get better.

2104
01:35:43,479 --> 01:35:45,880
Speaker 1: And it sounds like there is a distinctive focus on

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Speaker 1: the deep passing game right this season. They're spending some

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Speaker 1: time on they're talking about it, they're talking about going footworks,

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Speaker 1: mindset and let's face it, well, Josh, he Jos can

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Speaker 1: throw it as far as anybody wants to throw it right.

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Speaker 1: What happens inside his mind to make it so he

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Speaker 1: can throw it the right way? What clicks off in

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Speaker 1: his mind. And Jordan Paul says, he's, you know, drop

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Speaker 1: a pin, you know, just drop a pin. And he's right.

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Speaker 1: And I know, I remember playing with the guys. I

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Speaker 1: played with Jim Kelly, with Frank Reich, I played a

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Speaker 1: little bit with more and Moon early in my career.

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Speaker 1: The good quarterbacks, and they say they throw him open, well,

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Speaker 1: but what they're mean is throw the ball to a

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Speaker 1: spot where he can go and get it. And the

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Speaker 1: receiver has the ability, with his speed and with his

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Speaker 1: angles and his ball skills to make the catch alone

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01:36:37,720 --> 01:36:40,439
Speaker 1: by himself without the defens defender on him, or to

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Speaker 1: battle the defender and get it. And the quarterback will

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Speaker 1: trust that he can throw the ball out there into

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Speaker 1: an area of the field and his guy's gonna run

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Speaker 1: and get it. He doesn't have to lead him and

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Speaker 1: make sure he doesn't have to change his angle and

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Speaker 1: all that, you know, just put it out there and

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Speaker 1: let him go get it. That's the key to throw

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Speaker 1: on the deep ball and completing a bunch of them. Really,

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Speaker 1: like Karen from Jordan Palmer, and you know, um, the

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Speaker 1: one thing he said which sort of verifies what you

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Speaker 1: and I have observed over a couple of years now

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Speaker 1: when you talk about Josh Allen is what a hard

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Speaker 1: worker he is, how much he works to get better.

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Speaker 1: We say that a lot on the show, and I

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01:37:14,040 --> 01:37:15,479
Speaker 1: think it kind of goes over the head of some

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Speaker 1: Bills fans as they listen. But clearly he's made an

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Speaker 1: impression on Jordan Palmer, who's worked with a couple of

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Speaker 1: our seasons now, is a hard working guy. Jordan Palmer,

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Speaker 1: I mean, he goes I don't want to set expectations,

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Speaker 1: but he's gonna be a top ten guy throwing the

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Speaker 1: deep ball next year. I'm all right, he just did

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01:37:30,680 --> 01:37:33,000
Speaker 1: he And that's a coach help, you know, talking his

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Speaker 1: guy up, no question about it. There's no way to

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01:37:34,960 --> 01:37:36,559
Speaker 1: know how that's going to happen or if it will,

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01:37:36,600 --> 01:37:40,759
Speaker 1: but he knows what he's looking at. And uh, And

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Speaker 1: I'm friends with a lot of old quarterbacks. I worked

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Speaker 1: with him in the broadcast industry, I worked with him

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Speaker 1: as a player. Uh, and we're all old now, so

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01:37:49,360 --> 01:37:52,280
Speaker 1: but they all talk about, you know, the mechanics of

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01:37:52,320 --> 01:37:54,519
Speaker 1: it and the mindset of it, and there's a there's

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01:37:54,520 --> 01:37:59,839
Speaker 1: a specific set of skills that guys really want to cultivate.

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Speaker 1: Jordan Palmer and is working with Josh Allen, who is man,

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Speaker 1: oh man, you need a guy who wants to work

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01:38:06,400 --> 01:38:08,560
Speaker 1: hard to get better at play in that position. And

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01:38:09,040 --> 01:38:12,000
Speaker 1: Josh Allens has impressed a lot of people with his

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Speaker 1: ability to do that and desire to do that. And

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Speaker 1: the last thing Jordan Palmer said, which I really identified with,

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Speaker 1: and Palmer kept going about it. I didn't ask him,

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Speaker 1: We didn't ask him this. He kept talking. He talked

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Speaker 1: about what a great fit it is Josh Allen and Buffalo,

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01:38:24,280 --> 01:38:26,719
Speaker 1: largest city he's ever lived in, he said, and talked

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Speaker 1: about what a great fit that is, and how great

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Speaker 1: it's spend for Josh, how much he likes playing in Buffalo.

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Speaker 1: That has not always been the case. You and I

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01:38:33,320 --> 01:38:35,680
Speaker 1: see Josh once in a while. I see him, you know,

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01:38:35,680 --> 01:38:38,920
Speaker 1: I've done some car commercials with him. You know, the

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Speaker 1: guy really seems genuinely happy here in Buffalo, in Buffalo,

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Speaker 1: he likes his town. It's not he says, well, I

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Speaker 1: got drafted by this team and I'm gonna make the

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Speaker 1: best of it. And they learned to love it. Josh

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Speaker 1: Allen loves Buffalo. He loves the team, he loves the atmosphere,

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Speaker 1: he loves being the guy on He's in a spot

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Speaker 1: right now and it's and not for nothing. I'm just

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01:39:03,160 --> 01:39:06,559
Speaker 1: not saying this, but here, think about it. He's in

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Speaker 1: a spot in his life now where he wants it

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Speaker 1: to keep on going. He's working to extend this stretch

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Speaker 1: in Buffalo. He wants to get better. He wants the

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Speaker 1: team to elevate, he wants to be the reason they elevate.

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Speaker 1: He wants to, you know, continue his run as an

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Speaker 1: NFL quarterback right in Buffalo, and he's working really hard.

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Speaker 1: It's one of those times where you got that job

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Speaker 1: you like and you want to do it as well

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Speaker 1: as you can so you don't lose it. That's kind

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Speaker 1: of where he's at now. He's in a spot in

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Speaker 1: his life where he didn't want it to change too much.

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Speaker 1: He wants to keep getting better and be this guy

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Speaker 1: in Buffalo. And that's that's got to be pretty fun

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01:39:39,920 --> 01:39:42,080
Speaker 1: for Buffalo fans to hear it really is. Its great

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01:39:42,120 --> 01:39:44,040
Speaker 1: to talk to Jordan Palmer, as they said, could talk

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Speaker 1: to him for a long time. We're here until three.

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Speaker 1: We got another hour sort of going. We got a

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Speaker 1: great quarterback coming up, Kurt Warner getting set to come

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Speaker 1: on in the studio with us here at the scouting combat.

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Speaker 1: We got a Twitter poll not dealing with quarterbacks, but

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01:39:55,920 --> 01:39:58,800
Speaker 1: that's okay. What's the most important characteristic the bill should

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Speaker 1: look for in a prospect prospect any position here at

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Speaker 1: the combine? But as they look at these prospects, what

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Speaker 1: would be the most important thing for them to look at?

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Speaker 1: Right now? We got three hundred votes in on the

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Speaker 1: Twitter poll. Fifty five percent of you say attitude, work

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Speaker 1: ethic is number one on your list. Thirty eight percent

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01:40:14,560 --> 01:40:17,840
Speaker 1: say athletic ability, four percent of something else in mine

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01:40:17,880 --> 01:40:20,519
Speaker 1: in three percent say health, physical health. Give us a call.

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01:40:20,600 --> 01:40:22,000
Speaker 1: We have time to talk about it. Give us a

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Speaker 1: call at eight O three five fifty toll free one

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Speaker 1: eight eight eight five fifty two five fifty. Sending a

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01:40:27,640 --> 01:40:30,040
Speaker 1: tweet you can vote on the Twitter poll, or sending

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Speaker 1: a tweet for our tweet sheet. We might read it

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Speaker 1: on the tweet sheet in a moment or two. I

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Speaker 1: don't think I've ever seen one of our Twitter polls

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Speaker 1: where the fans have shown what fans they are as

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Speaker 1: opposed to what the football people do. You'll never find

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Speaker 1: anybody here at the combine, the football people, the scouts,

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Speaker 1: the coaches, the gms who will say anything, but the

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Speaker 1: most important thing they do here is the physical part

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Speaker 1: of it, the health, the physical health part of it.

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Speaker 1: And fans are like, that's just nobody thinks that's why,

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01:40:58,040 --> 01:41:00,599
Speaker 1: you know what they want to do. But that's all

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Speaker 1: the football people thinking. That's the first thing they think

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Speaker 1: about it. It couldn't be more opposite of what the

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Speaker 1: fans want. Yep, and I get it. Yeah. Well, and

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Speaker 1: plus people are gonna watch the combine tonight right there,

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Speaker 1: well at four o'clock today they start with workouts, tight

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Speaker 1: ends and wide receivers, quarterbacks, a session at four, another

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Speaker 1: session at seven, and so we're gonna be there. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna be watching today. Yeah, the first chance anybody gets

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01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:22,240
Speaker 1: to see these guys running the I'm trying to look

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01:41:22,280 --> 01:41:24,479
Speaker 1: at some of the big names. Looks like and it's

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Speaker 1: just alphabetical, but the biggest names we will see will

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01:41:27,479 --> 01:41:30,799
Speaker 1: probably be later today, not necessarily the four o'clock workout

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Speaker 1: step right, are you up for that? Okay with that? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I got I'm on a business trip. I can work.

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Speaker 1: You want to see the forty run by Henry Ruggs

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01:41:37,840 --> 01:41:40,639
Speaker 1: at Labama, right, he is in the four o'clock group

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01:41:40,720 --> 01:41:42,760
Speaker 1: or the seven and PM group. I can't tell from

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Speaker 1: the sheet. I don't know. I've got those sheets. He's

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Speaker 1: in group three. I think he's in the seven o'clock group. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Henry Ruggs, Levisca's chanult Junior of Colorado seven o'clock group tonight.

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Speaker 1: Who else is in here? Just a lot of good players,

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01:41:56,479 --> 01:41:58,240
Speaker 1: I said, to be honest, these are some This is

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01:41:58,400 --> 01:42:00,800
Speaker 1: and plus fessially since they're wide out and buffaloes in

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01:42:00,840 --> 01:42:04,360
Speaker 1: that market, y, we kind of know those faces Leaviscus,

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01:42:04,439 --> 01:42:09,320
Speaker 1: Chano and you know Higgins and Judy and all these guys.

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Speaker 1: I can I can't wait. I want to see these guys.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be fun. They hit the field today four

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Speaker 1: o'clock and again at seven o'clock tonight. So we'll talk

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01:42:17,000 --> 01:42:19,439
Speaker 1: about that as we get closer to that tomorrow show.

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Speaker 1: As good as today's show as men, tomorrow show is

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Speaker 1: gonna be pretty good as well. With Great Cosell from

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Speaker 1: NFL Network schedule to join us. Jim Nagi, the executive

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01:42:28,880 --> 01:42:31,600
Speaker 1: director of the Senior Bowl will join us tomorrow, and

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01:42:31,760 --> 01:42:35,479
Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, NFL Farmer Bills Receiver from NFL Network and

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01:42:35,920 --> 01:42:38,200
Speaker 1: NFL dot Com is on the schedule tomorrow as well.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna finish strong tomorrow. We're radio only today

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Speaker 1: because of the snowstorm, the thread of the snowstorm back

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01:42:44,240 --> 01:42:46,760
Speaker 1: in Buffalo. Hope everybody's getting through that, Okay. I don't

2258
01:42:46,760 --> 01:42:48,680
Speaker 1: think the worst of it is hit yet. If it

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01:42:48,800 --> 01:42:50,760
Speaker 1: is coming to Buffalo, I don't think it the worst

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01:42:50,800 --> 01:42:53,120
Speaker 1: of it for now. But it's yeah, get it. It's

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Speaker 1: where it belongs. Keep it down there. John Murphy and

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01:42:57,479 --> 01:43:02,080
Speaker 1: Steve Tasker coming to you from the u NFL Scouting Combine.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a break. We'll come back with more in

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Speaker 1: a moment. We've got Kurt Warner standing by. He'll be

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Speaker 1: up with us next. It's One Bill's Live, presented by

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Speaker 1: Kalida Health. Coming to here from the Scouting Combine and Indie.

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Speaker 1: This is Buffalo Bills radis Welcome back to the NFL

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01:43:21,200 --> 01:43:23,880
Speaker 1: Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. It is One Bill's Life. John

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Speaker 1: Murphy and Steve Tasker special guests now Pro Foot Muhamma

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Speaker 1: Famer Super Bowl champion in Super Bowl MVP with the

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01:43:30,200 --> 01:43:32,679
Speaker 1: Saint Louis Rams right now this weekend, he's an NFL

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01:43:32,760 --> 01:43:35,320
Speaker 1: Network analyst, Kurt Warner. You can see kurta in the

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Speaker 1: NFL Networks coverage of the twenty twenty combine starts at

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Speaker 1: four o'clock today, and you're gonna be looking at quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: right ahouse, right, Yes, that's I only want to stay

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01:43:43,760 --> 01:43:46,160
Speaker 1: in my wheelhouse. I don't need to go into anybody

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01:43:46,160 --> 01:43:49,120
Speaker 1: else's wheelhouse and try to tell them what's what's good

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01:43:49,120 --> 01:43:51,760
Speaker 1: at another position. So I get to come in every

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Speaker 1: year for one day and get a chance to meet

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Speaker 1: some of these guys. And you know, we talked about

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Speaker 1: watch him against Air a little bit. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what I ever glean from what they do on the field,

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01:44:02,280 --> 01:44:04,040
Speaker 1: but it's nice to get a chance to meet them

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01:44:04,320 --> 01:44:07,400
Speaker 1: and build a connection and hopefully make myself available if

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01:44:07,439 --> 01:44:09,240
Speaker 1: I can ever help them and all. And this thing

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01:44:09,240 --> 01:44:11,599
Speaker 1: has gotten so big. It's been going for thirty years,

2287
01:44:11,600 --> 01:44:13,040
Speaker 1: and it used to be to save money so all

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01:44:13,080 --> 01:44:15,479
Speaker 1: the teams can come together, and right now it's a

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01:44:15,520 --> 01:44:18,000
Speaker 1: revenue stream. And they got this thing going. And we

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01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:21,160
Speaker 1: were talking just before we went on. Now, guys, are

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Speaker 1: starting to come up with things like, hey, we need

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01:44:23,200 --> 01:44:25,160
Speaker 1: to change up how we're doing this. Let's look at

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01:44:25,160 --> 01:44:27,000
Speaker 1: some other Let's have the quarterbacks do some things that

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01:44:27,080 --> 01:44:29,920
Speaker 1: are relevant to today's game. Is there you know, how

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01:44:30,320 --> 01:44:32,240
Speaker 1: would you change this a little bit to find out?

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01:44:32,600 --> 01:44:34,640
Speaker 1: Because there's so much we find out that we already know.

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01:44:35,200 --> 01:44:37,080
Speaker 1: Is there anything? How would you find out what we

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01:44:37,120 --> 01:44:39,679
Speaker 1: don't know? Yeah? I mean, I'm a firm believe especially

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Speaker 1: the quarterback position, it's really hard to evaluate the position

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01:44:43,400 --> 01:44:46,200
Speaker 1: because what's really key about the position is what do

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Speaker 1: you do in those four seconds once you get the ball?

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Speaker 1: What do you see? What do you break down? How

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Speaker 1: does your timing connect to it? And so I don't

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Speaker 1: know if there's anything you can really do outside of

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Speaker 1: making it something more competitive, because I I believe, to me,

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Speaker 1: for a quarterback, it's about their eyes. It's about what

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Speaker 1: you're seeing and how your feet and your throws correlate

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Speaker 1: to what you're seeing. So how do you do that

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Speaker 1: out here? You know? Do you put a defense out there?

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Speaker 1: Do you make them? I don't know. I just think

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Speaker 1: it's all very hard. I mean, you go to a

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Speaker 1: pro day, I expect every one of these guys to

2313
01:45:17,040 --> 01:45:19,240
Speaker 1: complete ninety percent of their passes at a pro day

2314
01:45:19,240 --> 01:45:21,479
Speaker 1: because they know what's coming. All they have to do

2315
01:45:21,560 --> 01:45:24,000
Speaker 1: is complete it right. I can rehearse it half the time.

2316
01:45:24,040 --> 01:45:26,280
Speaker 1: The ball can be four yards behind them. As long

2317
01:45:26,320 --> 01:45:28,439
Speaker 1: as the guy catches it, it it considered a completion. So

2318
01:45:28,840 --> 01:45:31,599
Speaker 1: I just I just think it's very hard to find

2319
01:45:31,640 --> 01:45:33,680
Speaker 1: any position and go, hey, we know what they're going

2320
01:45:33,720 --> 01:45:35,720
Speaker 1: to be, and we can put together some sort of

2321
01:45:35,760 --> 01:45:39,040
Speaker 1: combine that's gonna give us a better idea of who

2322
01:45:39,080 --> 01:45:41,360
Speaker 1: they are. I think this is about get them all together.

2323
01:45:41,880 --> 01:45:46,000
Speaker 1: Let me watch thirteen or fifteen guys compete with another

2324
01:45:46,040 --> 01:45:48,360
Speaker 1: guy standing next to them that just made a great throw.

2325
01:45:48,439 --> 01:45:50,439
Speaker 1: Now you go up and make that great throw. So

2326
01:45:50,479 --> 01:45:53,160
Speaker 1: I think it's some of that where instead of being

2327
01:45:53,160 --> 01:45:55,679
Speaker 1: at their own pro day where it's just them, let's

2328
01:45:55,680 --> 01:45:57,679
Speaker 1: put a little pressure on them with guys around them

2329
01:45:57,680 --> 01:45:59,800
Speaker 1: and everybody watching them. But I don't know if there's

2330
01:45:59,800 --> 01:46:01,800
Speaker 1: a perfect way to be able to figure out, like

2331
01:46:01,800 --> 01:46:04,840
Speaker 1: you're saying, the stuff we don't already know. With Kurt Warner,

2332
01:46:04,880 --> 01:46:07,000
Speaker 1: pro football Hall of Famer here working with the NFL

2333
01:46:07,080 --> 01:46:09,519
Speaker 1: Network today, tell me about the quarterback you'll see when

2334
01:46:09,560 --> 01:46:11,040
Speaker 1: you guys hit the air at four o'clock. Who are

2335
01:46:11,080 --> 01:46:12,960
Speaker 1: you looking to see? What about Joe Burrow? You see

2336
01:46:13,040 --> 01:46:15,400
Speaker 1: legitimate number one overall? Pick Well, I mean, I definitely

2337
01:46:15,400 --> 01:46:17,360
Speaker 1: think he's legitimate, wated on what he did last year,

2338
01:46:17,360 --> 01:46:19,040
Speaker 1: but unfortunately we're not going to get to see him

2339
01:46:19,080 --> 01:46:21,639
Speaker 1: or and I can see two really do anything out

2340
01:46:21,680 --> 01:46:24,720
Speaker 1: there from a physical standpoint, which I would like to

2341
01:46:24,720 --> 01:46:26,479
Speaker 1: see because Joe Burrow, I think one of the things

2342
01:46:26,560 --> 01:46:30,080
Speaker 1: people are saying is he doesn't have that top level arm.

2343
01:46:30,160 --> 01:46:31,560
Speaker 1: You'd like to see it in person. I want to

2344
01:46:31,600 --> 01:46:34,200
Speaker 1: see it in person what I see from him. But

2345
01:46:34,240 --> 01:46:36,240
Speaker 1: a couple of the guys that I'm looking forward to

2346
01:46:36,280 --> 01:46:39,960
Speaker 1: watching Jordan Love, you know, is that next guy that

2347
01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:43,800
Speaker 1: people are talking about athleticism, big arm. What does he do?

2348
01:46:43,800 --> 01:46:46,640
Speaker 1: Does he show that consistency to go along with that

2349
01:46:46,680 --> 01:46:50,720
Speaker 1: athleticism today? Justin Herbert is another guy that I watch

2350
01:46:50,840 --> 01:46:54,360
Speaker 1: him on film and there's just something to me missing

2351
01:46:54,400 --> 01:46:56,320
Speaker 1: a little bit, Like everything he does seems to be

2352
01:46:56,400 --> 01:46:59,240
Speaker 1: really slow. And I feel like at the NFL level,

2353
01:46:59,439 --> 01:47:01,320
Speaker 1: can you gotta be fast, you gotta be decisive, you

2354
01:47:01,320 --> 01:47:03,200
Speaker 1: gotta get the ball out quick, you gotta know what

2355
01:47:03,200 --> 01:47:04,880
Speaker 1: you're doing with the football. So I want to see

2356
01:47:04,880 --> 01:47:08,439
Speaker 1: that up close and personal. Jacob Eeson is another guy

2357
01:47:08,520 --> 01:47:10,760
Speaker 1: that everybody tells me. I watched him on film and

2358
01:47:10,800 --> 01:47:12,760
Speaker 1: I really liked him on film, but everybody tells me

2359
01:47:13,000 --> 01:47:15,559
Speaker 1: he may be the Josh Allen of this year from

2360
01:47:15,560 --> 01:47:19,040
Speaker 1: a physical standpoint, that comes out here and wows everybody

2361
01:47:19,080 --> 01:47:21,400
Speaker 1: with his arm. So I want to see what that

2362
01:47:21,479 --> 01:47:23,799
Speaker 1: looks like. Because, as I was saying, you put fifteen

2363
01:47:23,840 --> 01:47:25,960
Speaker 1: of these guys up next to each other and you

2364
01:47:26,040 --> 01:47:28,600
Speaker 1: kind of expect everybody to be good. Can there be

2365
01:47:28,680 --> 01:47:32,400
Speaker 1: one guy that goes, Holy cow, that guy looks than

2366
01:47:32,439 --> 01:47:35,240
Speaker 1: those other fourteen guys. What it is about this guy?

2367
01:47:35,280 --> 01:47:38,679
Speaker 1: And so you know Jacob Eeson from what everybody's telling

2368
01:47:38,680 --> 01:47:40,559
Speaker 1: me is keep an eye on this guy. This guy

2369
01:47:40,560 --> 01:47:43,599
Speaker 1: could win the Combine because of his athleticism. And so

2370
01:47:43,800 --> 01:47:45,680
Speaker 1: those are a few guys that I've got my eyes on.

2371
01:47:45,760 --> 01:47:48,320
Speaker 1: Jake From's another guy that I don't believe has that

2372
01:47:48,400 --> 01:47:53,000
Speaker 1: top level athleticism or arm strength. But Kenny show me

2373
01:47:53,080 --> 01:47:56,479
Speaker 1: something in his ability to throw the football. And I

2374
01:47:56,520 --> 01:47:57,800
Speaker 1: go back to a few years ago. We were at

2375
01:47:57,840 --> 01:48:00,640
Speaker 1: the Combine and Russell Wilson and Kirk Cousins were in

2376
01:48:00,680 --> 01:48:03,400
Speaker 1: the same combine, and as I was watching the combine,

2377
01:48:03,439 --> 01:48:06,200
Speaker 1: I remember those two guys jumped out at me because

2378
01:48:06,479 --> 01:48:08,880
Speaker 1: when I watched the combine, I watched do you know

2379
01:48:09,000 --> 01:48:12,160
Speaker 1: how to throw every route? It's not can you throw

2380
01:48:12,200 --> 01:48:14,120
Speaker 1: it to him? Do you have enough arm? Because we

2381
01:48:14,160 --> 01:48:16,320
Speaker 1: know everybody out here can do that, it's do you

2382
01:48:16,479 --> 01:48:19,160
Speaker 1: understand how to make that throw? And those were two

2383
01:48:19,160 --> 01:48:22,200
Speaker 1: guys that jumped out at me understanding how to make

2384
01:48:22,280 --> 01:48:24,920
Speaker 1: different kinds of throws on a football field. Now we

2385
01:48:25,120 --> 01:48:27,400
Speaker 1: you know, fast forward seven eight years and here are

2386
01:48:27,439 --> 01:48:30,160
Speaker 1: two guys that are better guys in the league at

2387
01:48:30,160 --> 01:48:32,880
Speaker 1: being able to play the quarterback position. So those are

2388
01:48:32,880 --> 01:48:34,760
Speaker 1: the things I'm looking at. Jake from I think is

2389
01:48:34,760 --> 01:48:36,760
Speaker 1: a guy that could be a little bit in that

2390
01:48:36,800 --> 01:48:39,799
Speaker 1: mold of understanding how to play the game. And everything

2391
01:48:39,960 --> 01:48:42,519
Speaker 1: seems to be evolving. He had Lamar Jackson who put

2392
01:48:42,560 --> 01:48:46,040
Speaker 1: together an MVP season, Pat Mahomes who put together an

2393
01:48:46,080 --> 01:48:49,200
Speaker 1: MVP season. Russell Wilson has been doing it for now

2394
01:48:49,520 --> 01:48:51,639
Speaker 1: into a second contract. He's a different kind of quarterback.

2395
01:48:51,720 --> 01:48:55,639
Speaker 1: Josh Allen's a kind of an athlete. The the position

2396
01:48:55,720 --> 01:48:59,280
Speaker 1: is evolving certainly takes a different kind of athlete these days,

2397
01:48:59,320 --> 01:49:01,559
Speaker 1: and they look for different traits now than they did

2398
01:49:01,560 --> 01:49:04,599
Speaker 1: when you came. So where do you think it's headed?

2399
01:49:04,640 --> 01:49:07,280
Speaker 1: Are there guys here? Are all? Is the new crop

2400
01:49:07,920 --> 01:49:10,880
Speaker 1: showing that evolution? Yeah? I mean I think you know,

2401
01:49:11,360 --> 01:49:13,800
Speaker 1: when you talk about the Lamar Jacksons and those types

2402
01:49:13,800 --> 01:49:16,240
Speaker 1: of guys, I think it has opened up the imagination

2403
01:49:16,640 --> 01:49:19,280
Speaker 1: around the league at how you can win at the

2404
01:49:19,360 --> 01:49:22,759
Speaker 1: quarterback position. You know, decade ago when we were playing,

2405
01:49:22,840 --> 01:49:25,320
Speaker 1: it was like, Okay, you gotta have one of these

2406
01:49:25,320 --> 01:49:28,120
Speaker 1: guys because that's how you win championships. Now our imagination

2407
01:49:28,160 --> 01:49:30,920
Speaker 1: has been opened because there's not thirty two of those guys.

2408
01:49:31,080 --> 01:49:33,840
Speaker 1: There's not thirty two of those pocket passers that can

2409
01:49:33,880 --> 01:49:36,439
Speaker 1: be a Tom Brady, a Drew Breese that can win

2410
01:49:36,520 --> 01:49:39,479
Speaker 1: championships for you that way. So okay, there's not thirty

2411
01:49:39,520 --> 01:49:41,479
Speaker 1: two of them. If I don't have one, how do

2412
01:49:41,520 --> 01:49:43,320
Speaker 1: I find a guy that we can win with? And

2413
01:49:43,400 --> 01:49:46,720
Speaker 1: so that's evolved, and you know, and it fascinates me

2414
01:49:46,760 --> 01:49:50,240
Speaker 1: because I'm still a believer that when rubber meets the road,

2415
01:49:50,600 --> 01:49:52,800
Speaker 1: you've got to be able to make plays inside the

2416
01:49:52,840 --> 01:49:55,559
Speaker 1: pocket consistently if you want to compete with the best

2417
01:49:55,560 --> 01:49:58,800
Speaker 1: teams week in and week outcome playoff time, but you

2418
01:49:58,840 --> 01:50:01,000
Speaker 1: can get their different way. And so I think there's

2419
01:50:01,200 --> 01:50:04,719
Speaker 1: an imagination that's been opened where you have a guy,

2420
01:50:04,880 --> 01:50:06,599
Speaker 1: you know, whether it's a Jordan Love or whether it's

2421
01:50:06,560 --> 01:50:08,880
Speaker 1: a Jacob Eason, and these guys that are athletic, and

2422
01:50:09,000 --> 01:50:12,200
Speaker 1: you say to yourself, Okay, I don't know if he's

2423
01:50:12,200 --> 01:50:16,080
Speaker 1: a great passer, but when you put his athleticism connected

2424
01:50:16,080 --> 01:50:19,799
Speaker 1: with being a good passer, we can make him into

2425
01:50:19,880 --> 01:50:23,840
Speaker 1: something special, or he could possibly become something special. But

2426
01:50:23,960 --> 01:50:26,960
Speaker 1: that's the interesting part. It's it's another thing where I

2427
01:50:27,000 --> 01:50:28,920
Speaker 1: can watch a guy run around and throw the ball

2428
01:50:28,960 --> 01:50:31,320
Speaker 1: fifty yards on the run. That doesn't mean he's gonna

2429
01:50:31,360 --> 01:50:34,400
Speaker 1: be Russell Wilson. That doesn't mean he's gonna be Lamar Jackson.

2430
01:50:34,400 --> 01:50:36,640
Speaker 1: And so it's that same thing. Hey, do we want

2431
01:50:36,640 --> 01:50:39,600
Speaker 1: to add some other drills in to show their athleticism.

2432
01:50:39,720 --> 01:50:42,200
Speaker 1: Well that's great, but can you do it in those

2433
01:50:42,200 --> 01:50:45,120
Speaker 1: four seconds and when bodies are around you and make

2434
01:50:45,200 --> 01:50:47,600
Speaker 1: that proper throw? Another thing that I don't think you

2435
01:50:47,600 --> 01:50:50,040
Speaker 1: can ever tell until you get out there with the

2436
01:50:50,040 --> 01:50:52,479
Speaker 1: speed and the players in the NFL. But I will

2437
01:50:52,520 --> 01:50:55,080
Speaker 1: be interested to see if we don't start moving in

2438
01:50:55,120 --> 01:50:57,719
Speaker 1: that direction as we get more and more athletic quarterbacks

2439
01:50:57,720 --> 01:50:59,960
Speaker 1: in the NFL. We're live with NFL Pro Football Hall

2440
01:51:00,040 --> 01:51:02,639
Speaker 1: of Famer Kurt Warner. You said something long ago which

2441
01:51:02,640 --> 01:51:05,080
Speaker 1: I'm sure got folk's attention in Buffalo. You talk about

2442
01:51:05,160 --> 01:51:07,880
Speaker 1: Josh Allen as if there's like a Josh Allen prototype. Now,

2443
01:51:08,040 --> 01:51:09,519
Speaker 1: what do you see from Josh? No, you did. You

2444
01:51:09,560 --> 01:51:11,640
Speaker 1: said he'll be the Josh Allen in this sense. Well,

2445
01:51:11,640 --> 01:51:14,519
Speaker 1: I say that because Josh was the one that wild

2446
01:51:14,640 --> 01:51:18,559
Speaker 1: people here at the combine with his physical ability a

2447
01:51:18,600 --> 01:51:21,880
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. But here's what I see with

2448
01:51:22,000 --> 01:51:24,240
Speaker 1: Josh is A. The best thing to me is that

2449
01:51:24,280 --> 01:51:27,280
Speaker 1: he's gotten better each year, and that, to me is

2450
01:51:27,320 --> 01:51:29,000
Speaker 1: what you want to see from a young guy. Is

2451
01:51:29,320 --> 01:51:30,839
Speaker 1: we knew he was a little bit of a project

2452
01:51:30,920 --> 01:51:33,559
Speaker 1: coming in how having played a lot of football that

2453
01:51:33,680 --> 01:51:36,760
Speaker 1: he needed to grow. He grew this year. But his

2454
01:51:36,840 --> 01:51:39,559
Speaker 1: bottom line is consistency, and I think it's it's twofold.

2455
01:51:39,600 --> 01:51:43,000
Speaker 1: It's consistency A with his technique because he got such

2456
01:51:43,000 --> 01:51:44,720
Speaker 1: a big arm that he's used to getting away with

2457
01:51:44,880 --> 01:51:47,960
Speaker 1: so much with his right arm. If you allow technique

2458
01:51:47,960 --> 01:51:49,240
Speaker 1: to get away from you, I don't care if you're

2459
01:51:49,240 --> 01:51:52,760
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen or anybody else. It will come

2460
01:51:52,800 --> 01:51:54,559
Speaker 1: back to bite you. We saw that a number of

2461
01:51:54,560 --> 01:51:56,519
Speaker 1: times this year. And then the second thing is just

2462
01:51:57,000 --> 01:52:00,439
Speaker 1: growing in his ability to see and unders dan how

2463
01:52:00,439 --> 01:52:03,000
Speaker 1: to play the quarterback position. But I love the fact

2464
01:52:03,080 --> 01:52:06,400
Speaker 1: that he's found ways to win and he's found ways

2465
01:52:06,439 --> 01:52:09,000
Speaker 1: to use his skill set to be successful in his

2466
01:52:09,080 --> 01:52:11,439
Speaker 1: first couple of years. Now, if he can continue to

2467
01:52:11,479 --> 01:52:14,320
Speaker 1: grow in those other areas, this guy's a limit. And

2468
01:52:14,360 --> 01:52:15,960
Speaker 1: we know that they got they got a lot closer

2469
01:52:16,000 --> 01:52:18,160
Speaker 1: to the Patriots last year. Let's see if they can

2470
01:52:18,160 --> 01:52:21,160
Speaker 1: make another step this year. So you had some success,

2471
01:52:21,680 --> 01:52:23,559
Speaker 1: a little bit of success in Saint Louis there as

2472
01:52:23,560 --> 01:52:26,519
Speaker 1: you win a couple of World champion Yeah. Yeah, you

2473
01:52:26,600 --> 01:52:28,519
Speaker 1: moved over and he went to another team later in

2474
01:52:28,560 --> 01:52:30,320
Speaker 1: your career. So now we're sitting here at this in

2475
01:52:30,360 --> 01:52:32,040
Speaker 1: the landscape of the NFL. You see a guy like

2476
01:52:32,040 --> 01:52:35,360
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers who's got a choice to make, and teams

2477
01:52:35,400 --> 01:52:38,400
Speaker 1: like the Tennessee Titans who had had a nice run

2478
01:52:38,439 --> 01:52:41,880
Speaker 1: with Tannehill. Right, So you've got these guys who you

2479
01:52:41,920 --> 01:52:44,519
Speaker 1: know that are veteran quarterbacks. You know what it's like

2480
01:52:44,600 --> 01:52:47,680
Speaker 1: to be out there and having an opportunity. What's your

2481
01:52:47,680 --> 01:52:50,400
Speaker 1: advice to guys like Philip Rivers and Ryan Tannell. They're

2482
01:52:50,439 --> 01:52:52,720
Speaker 1: all kind of different. Yeah, but what's your thought on

2483
01:52:52,720 --> 01:52:55,080
Speaker 1: this way this quarterback thing is laying out right? The

2484
01:52:55,120 --> 01:52:57,559
Speaker 1: first thing that you say is is we haven't seen

2485
01:52:57,720 --> 01:53:01,960
Speaker 1: very many great quarterbacks great in two different places. It's

2486
01:53:02,040 --> 01:53:05,600
Speaker 1: not an easy thing to do to take one situation

2487
01:53:05,640 --> 01:53:08,040
Speaker 1: and then just go somewhere completely different and think that

2488
01:53:08,720 --> 01:53:10,599
Speaker 1: everything's going to be the same and you can play

2489
01:53:10,600 --> 01:53:12,800
Speaker 1: at that same level. So that's the first thing that

2490
01:53:12,960 --> 01:53:16,200
Speaker 1: I always caution guys that it's usually a process. You know,

2491
01:53:16,240 --> 01:53:18,519
Speaker 1: I was able to do it in Arizona, but it

2492
01:53:18,600 --> 01:53:20,800
Speaker 1: took me some time. And that's the thing. When I

2493
01:53:20,800 --> 01:53:23,280
Speaker 1: look at a Brady or I look at a Rivers,

2494
01:53:23,320 --> 01:53:25,559
Speaker 1: I'm like, how much time you got? You know, like

2495
01:53:25,760 --> 01:53:28,280
Speaker 1: you're going how much time do you have to rebuild

2496
01:53:28,320 --> 01:53:30,519
Speaker 1: this to have that kind of success? Not that they

2497
01:53:30,560 --> 01:53:33,840
Speaker 1: can't have it, but it's tough to do, and so

2498
01:53:34,360 --> 01:53:37,240
Speaker 1: you do and you know, and it's it's kind of

2499
01:53:37,240 --> 01:53:39,000
Speaker 1: the same with these teams that are going out to

2500
01:53:39,000 --> 01:53:42,160
Speaker 1: get them. It's like how close are we? Is it

2501
01:53:42,200 --> 01:53:45,040
Speaker 1: worth going out and getting a Tom Brady or Philip Rivers.

2502
01:53:45,280 --> 01:53:48,000
Speaker 1: We know what they're capable of, but as our team

2503
01:53:48,120 --> 01:53:52,120
Speaker 1: capable of meeting them where they're at, because if they're

2504
01:53:52,160 --> 01:53:54,160
Speaker 1: there and we're not for two years and now they're

2505
01:53:54,200 --> 01:53:56,960
Speaker 1: going and then we don't have that. It's so it's

2506
01:53:56,960 --> 01:54:01,040
Speaker 1: a fascinating mix to see which teams think they're close

2507
01:54:01,120 --> 01:54:03,800
Speaker 1: enough that if they add that guy, they can be

2508
01:54:03,880 --> 01:54:07,439
Speaker 1: that good. And then which quarterback thinks, oh, it's gonna

2509
01:54:07,439 --> 01:54:10,280
Speaker 1: be just as easy going somewhere else as it was

2510
01:54:10,360 --> 01:54:13,080
Speaker 1: in New England or you know, in LA to be

2511
01:54:13,160 --> 01:54:15,800
Speaker 1: able to pick up where I left off, because it's

2512
01:54:15,840 --> 01:54:18,840
Speaker 1: not an easy thing. It takes time, you know, unless

2513
01:54:18,880 --> 01:54:21,200
Speaker 1: you can come in and go, hey, this is my offense,

2514
01:54:21,240 --> 01:54:22,800
Speaker 1: this is what I do. You guys need to run

2515
01:54:22,840 --> 01:54:25,639
Speaker 1: my thing. To be able to mesh what you do,

2516
01:54:25,720 --> 01:54:28,160
Speaker 1: what a coordinator thinks, how they call a play, what

2517
01:54:28,280 --> 01:54:30,559
Speaker 1: the skill set of your of your team is, to

2518
01:54:30,760 --> 01:54:33,280
Speaker 1: who you are. That takes a little bit of time.

2519
01:54:33,320 --> 01:54:36,320
Speaker 1: So I'm with you, guys. I am fascinated to see

2520
01:54:36,320 --> 01:54:40,680
Speaker 1: how this plays out. And you know, if Tom, because

2521
01:54:40,720 --> 01:54:43,640
Speaker 1: I think that's that piece, right, If Tom goes somewhere else,

2522
01:54:44,160 --> 01:54:47,200
Speaker 1: how things are gonna fall with New England and other places.

2523
01:54:48,160 --> 01:54:50,360
Speaker 1: It makes it fascinating and why we love that it's

2524
01:54:50,400 --> 01:54:55,000
Speaker 1: a three sixty five because we can't goes over and

2525
01:54:55,080 --> 01:54:57,040
Speaker 1: here we go. We got new things that we're talking

2526
01:54:57,080 --> 01:54:59,400
Speaker 1: about and it's gonna make it fun. Kurt today, read

2527
01:54:59,400 --> 01:55:01,160
Speaker 1: this right to something making a movie of your life.

2528
01:55:01,200 --> 01:55:03,320
Speaker 1: We are. Yes, it's been in the works for a

2529
01:55:03,360 --> 01:55:06,280
Speaker 1: long time, but it's kind of fast track now. We're

2530
01:55:06,280 --> 01:55:09,040
Speaker 1: working with lions Gate, the Irwin Brothers, and they fast

2531
01:55:09,080 --> 01:55:11,680
Speaker 1: tracked it to come out actually December eighteen, to be

2532
01:55:11,680 --> 01:55:17,240
Speaker 1: a Christmas movie. We don't know that yet available. Uh,

2533
01:55:17,560 --> 01:55:20,160
Speaker 1: we're finishing up the script now. And again I look

2534
01:55:20,200 --> 01:55:22,000
Speaker 1: at it and go, man, December eight team seems like

2535
01:55:22,000 --> 01:55:24,800
Speaker 1: it's coming really really quick. But I'll leave that to

2536
01:55:24,840 --> 01:55:26,960
Speaker 1: the powers that be. It just looks like it's going

2537
01:55:27,000 --> 01:55:29,320
Speaker 1: to be made, which is uh, which is exciting. It's

2538
01:55:29,320 --> 01:55:31,600
Speaker 1: exciting that, Uh, we've been working on it. We wanted

2539
01:55:31,640 --> 01:55:33,360
Speaker 1: to make it the right story. We didn't want to

2540
01:55:33,360 --> 01:55:34,920
Speaker 1: just do it. We want to make it right and

2541
01:55:34,960 --> 01:55:36,800
Speaker 1: we think we're getting close to that and so, uh,

2542
01:55:36,960 --> 01:55:38,720
Speaker 1: we'll see how it plays out. One of the all

2543
01:55:38,720 --> 01:55:43,160
Speaker 1: time great stories. Man great broadcast tonight, Kurt Warner, our guests,

2544
01:55:43,160 --> 01:55:45,800
Speaker 1: the Pro Football Hall of Famer, NFL Network analysts. You

2545
01:55:45,800 --> 01:55:48,400
Speaker 1: can see Kurt on NFL Networks. Coverage of the twenty

2546
01:55:48,440 --> 01:55:51,360
Speaker 1: twenty combine starts at four o'clock today when they do quarterbacks,

2547
01:55:51,360 --> 01:55:53,840
Speaker 1: wide receivers, tight ends. Steve and I come up. What

2548
01:55:53,880 --> 01:55:56,000
Speaker 1: he got something to say? What you looking at me? Now? Man?

2549
01:55:56,080 --> 01:55:57,760
Speaker 1: You've played Kurt Warner in the movie. I'm sure you

2550
01:55:57,960 --> 01:56:00,000
Speaker 1: do a good job of it. I'm too short. Well,

2551
01:56:00,000 --> 01:56:02,720
Speaker 1: I can't throw. Tom Cruise can show you how to

2552
01:56:02,720 --> 01:56:05,640
Speaker 1: wear the lifts in your shoes. I have more than

2553
01:56:05,640 --> 01:56:08,240
Speaker 1: a lift. We got a breakcare. We're coming back with more.

2554
01:56:08,280 --> 01:56:10,840
Speaker 1: It's one Bill's life, presented by collat of Health from

2555
01:56:10,880 --> 01:56:13,200
Speaker 1: the We Have a Breakcare. Jane, don't look at me

2556
01:56:13,240 --> 01:56:18,120
Speaker 1: like that. I don't want to break now. My producer

2557
01:56:18,160 --> 01:56:23,680
Speaker 1: tells me, all right, all right, we'll stay check the rundown.

2558
01:56:24,000 --> 01:56:27,120
Speaker 1: What's a rundown? Okay, Well, let's do this. Let's recheck

2559
01:56:27,160 --> 01:56:28,920
Speaker 1: the Twitter pole and you can weigh in on this.

2560
01:56:29,280 --> 01:56:31,680
Speaker 1: What's the most important characteristic the bill should look for

2561
01:56:31,800 --> 01:56:34,920
Speaker 1: in a prospect? Three hundred twenty votes, fifty five percent

2562
01:56:34,920 --> 01:56:37,760
Speaker 1: of you say attitude, work, ethic, thirty eight percent say

2563
01:56:37,800 --> 01:56:41,120
Speaker 1: athletic ability, four percent say something else and dead last

2564
01:56:41,480 --> 01:56:44,640
Speaker 1: and our Twitter poll's physical health. You know, having Kurt

2565
01:56:44,680 --> 01:56:46,320
Speaker 1: Warner on it, you think about that he had a

2566
01:56:46,360 --> 01:56:50,080
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame career in Saint Louis alone, then he

2567
01:56:50,160 --> 01:56:52,880
Speaker 1: went to Arizona and took them to a super Bowl.

2568
01:56:54,560 --> 01:56:57,920
Speaker 1: He's got and I'm glad I asked him about and

2569
01:56:57,960 --> 01:57:00,680
Speaker 1: he's fascinated like I am about what's going to happen

2570
01:57:00,680 --> 01:57:03,120
Speaker 1: with Tom Brady, with Philip Rivers, with and it seems

2571
01:57:03,160 --> 01:57:06,120
Speaker 1: like every day there's new momentum for those guys going

2572
01:57:06,200 --> 01:57:08,320
Speaker 1: someplace else. Now. I've heard a lot of things about

2573
01:57:08,360 --> 01:57:11,320
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers being the guy that comes here to Indianapolis

2574
01:57:11,360 --> 01:57:14,360
Speaker 1: because of his relationship with Frank Reich and and how

2575
01:57:14,400 --> 01:57:16,480
Speaker 1: good the team is right away, and they think like

2576
01:57:16,520 --> 01:57:19,520
Speaker 1: they're that close. And there's news today on Brady apparently

2577
01:57:19,640 --> 01:57:22,800
Speaker 1: and going back to New England. It's been reported to

2578
01:57:22,880 --> 01:57:25,240
Speaker 1: somebody who I don't know what they know. If anything,

2579
01:57:25,280 --> 01:57:27,480
Speaker 1: they say there's no way that they think is a

2580
01:57:27,480 --> 01:57:29,280
Speaker 1: long shot for him to come back to New England,

2581
01:57:29,720 --> 01:57:32,760
Speaker 1: which I've said, I don't think he's leaving. Um. All

2582
01:57:32,760 --> 01:57:34,480
Speaker 1: of that stuff's on the front burner. And then you've

2583
01:57:34,520 --> 01:57:37,360
Speaker 1: got these wild cards like a Jamis Winston who's got

2584
01:57:37,360 --> 01:57:39,640
Speaker 1: a live arm and all that, but he is so erratic.

2585
01:57:41,280 --> 01:57:42,960
Speaker 1: He's not No, he's not. He's not the same kind

2586
01:57:43,000 --> 01:57:45,760
Speaker 1: of cord. But neither's Ryan Tannehill. But Ryan Tannehill put

2587
01:57:45,760 --> 01:57:48,440
Speaker 1: together a season after he got on the field with

2588
01:57:48,440 --> 01:57:50,960
Speaker 1: a great running back and a good defense that he

2589
01:57:51,040 --> 01:57:53,440
Speaker 1: never had maybe in his career with Miami, all of

2590
01:57:53,480 --> 01:57:55,400
Speaker 1: a sudden, he looks better than any of them. And you,

2591
01:57:55,800 --> 01:57:57,720
Speaker 1: I'll give you credit. That was a great question because

2592
01:57:57,840 --> 01:58:00,160
Speaker 1: sitting right here a moment ago, Kurt Warner is the

2593
01:58:00,280 --> 01:58:03,240
Speaker 1: number one example of how difficult it is. You win

2594
01:58:03,320 --> 01:58:06,080
Speaker 1: Super Bowls in Saint Louis, you go to Arizona, they're happy.

2595
01:58:06,080 --> 01:58:07,320
Speaker 1: I guess you know, we got He went to the

2596
01:58:07,320 --> 01:58:09,440
Speaker 1: Giants in between, I think, right, yeah, they played in

2597
01:58:09,480 --> 01:58:12,240
Speaker 1: the Giants, so he had two stops, goes to Arizona

2598
01:58:12,320 --> 01:58:14,960
Speaker 1: and finally, you know, gets things going. But it wasn't

2599
01:58:14,960 --> 01:58:17,160
Speaker 1: easy for him to keep going. He was the comeback

2600
01:58:17,160 --> 01:58:19,000
Speaker 1: player of the year. And I know this too. At

2601
01:58:19,000 --> 01:58:22,480
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, Joe Montana was asked about his time

2602
01:58:22,520 --> 01:58:24,840
Speaker 1: in Kansas City after being the great San Francisco in

2603
01:58:24,840 --> 01:58:26,840
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame with the San Francisco forty nine ers.

2604
01:58:26,880 --> 01:58:29,960
Speaker 1: He says, don't do it. Don't do it. It's too

2605
01:58:29,960 --> 01:58:32,280
Speaker 1: hard to start from scratch and come into a new

2606
01:58:32,320 --> 01:58:34,160
Speaker 1: game in a new place, and to think it's gonna

2607
01:58:34,160 --> 01:58:36,400
Speaker 1: be like the old place. More difficult for quarterbacks, you

2608
01:58:36,400 --> 01:58:39,360
Speaker 1: think to make that well, it's a different animal because

2609
01:58:39,360 --> 01:58:43,080
Speaker 1: the quarterback is It's like coming in being a team

2610
01:58:43,120 --> 01:58:45,600
Speaker 1: captain right away. You know, you don't know these guys

2611
01:58:45,600 --> 01:58:47,760
Speaker 1: and they don't know you, but you're expected to call

2612
01:58:47,840 --> 01:58:50,400
Speaker 1: the plays. They hear your voice, they hear your attitude,

2613
01:58:50,400 --> 01:58:53,120
Speaker 1: they hear your emotion when you're calling plays. They hear

2614
01:58:53,160 --> 01:58:55,960
Speaker 1: you in meetings speaking up about what you're expecting. You

2615
01:58:56,080 --> 01:59:01,960
Speaker 1: have to be a leader by just by the sheer

2616
01:59:02,080 --> 01:59:05,480
Speaker 1: default of your position. And to step into a strange

2617
01:59:05,480 --> 01:59:08,400
Speaker 1: place with strange guys, strange players, guys you don't know

2618
01:59:08,640 --> 01:59:12,200
Speaker 1: and do that. It's very difficult. And plus you have

2619
01:59:12,240 --> 01:59:14,920
Speaker 1: a voice in what the offense looks like. Your skill

2620
01:59:14,960 --> 01:59:17,120
Speaker 1: set sets the tone for what they're going to be

2621
01:59:17,120 --> 01:59:19,640
Speaker 1: able to do offensively in the passing game. And to

2622
01:59:19,760 --> 01:59:21,720
Speaker 1: step into a strange place and be able to pick

2623
01:59:21,760 --> 01:59:24,280
Speaker 1: that up and just do it. That's asking a lot.

2624
01:59:24,680 --> 01:59:26,320
Speaker 1: It's asking a lot. And all of this kind of

2625
01:59:26,320 --> 01:59:28,720
Speaker 1: relates to Tom Brady and the reports out today, and

2626
01:59:28,920 --> 01:59:32,120
Speaker 1: NFL dot Com has a report out today that Brady's

2627
01:59:32,160 --> 01:59:35,240
Speaker 1: agent is talking meeting with clubs this week during the

2628
01:59:35,240 --> 01:59:37,920
Speaker 1: combine here in Indy, the Chargers, the Raiders, and the

2629
01:59:37,960 --> 01:59:40,400
Speaker 1: Colts among those teams. This is the time to do it.

2630
01:59:40,400 --> 01:59:43,280
Speaker 1: Everybody's here if you're an agent, and that won't stay

2631
01:59:43,320 --> 01:59:45,560
Speaker 1: a secret very long if he's out there actively shopping

2632
01:59:45,600 --> 01:59:49,560
Speaker 1: Tom Brady around to some of these teams. It's been

2633
01:59:49,840 --> 01:59:51,600
Speaker 1: a topic all day and it seems to be heating

2634
01:59:51,680 --> 01:59:54,400
Speaker 1: up later today. The Patriots have yet to reach out

2635
01:59:54,400 --> 01:59:57,320
Speaker 1: to Brady's camp about a new contract with the quarterback.

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01:59:57,320 --> 02:00:00,200
Speaker 1: Head of the free agency now March eighteenth, which is

2637
02:00:00,200 --> 02:00:03,520
Speaker 1: a Thursday, I believe, right, let me double check Thursday

2638
02:00:03,560 --> 02:00:07,480
Speaker 1: or Friday, March it's a Thursday, and that would be uh,

2639
02:00:07,640 --> 02:00:11,040
Speaker 1: three weeks from today, right, yeah, dream from today, March eighteen.

2640
02:00:11,480 --> 02:00:13,560
Speaker 1: That's a big story, Steve, and that will start I

2641
02:00:13,640 --> 02:00:17,640
Speaker 1: think a domino effect of quarterback moves, but none bigger.

2642
02:00:18,080 --> 02:00:21,919
Speaker 1: And March eighteenth is a Wednesday, so three weeks from yesterday.

2643
02:00:22,280 --> 02:00:24,800
Speaker 1: None bigger than that move. That's some. And here's the

2644
02:00:24,800 --> 02:00:26,040
Speaker 1: thing I wanted to the point I wanted to make

2645
02:00:26,040 --> 02:00:28,800
Speaker 1: with you. Doing an interview with the Houston radio guys,

2646
02:00:29,120 --> 02:00:31,160
Speaker 1: they mentioned Brady to me like, well, that would make

2647
02:00:31,200 --> 02:00:33,200
Speaker 1: the Bills the favorites in the AFC East, wouldn't it.

2648
02:00:33,560 --> 02:00:35,520
Speaker 1: And it kind of took me by surprise. I think

2649
02:00:35,920 --> 02:00:38,240
Speaker 1: maybe it would. I never thought of that. If Brady's gone,

2650
02:00:38,520 --> 02:00:43,280
Speaker 1: why wouldn't the Bills be the favorites in the division? Right?

2651
02:00:43,360 --> 02:00:45,880
Speaker 1: You got you gotta consider it. It's a bigger chance

2652
02:00:45,920 --> 02:00:48,000
Speaker 1: to win in the division without Brady there than Will

2653
02:00:48,040 --> 02:00:51,080
Speaker 1: Belichick still has. The difference is the difference maker. But yeah,

2654
02:00:51,160 --> 02:00:53,720
Speaker 1: that that change it. I'll tell you what, Murph, whether

2655
02:00:53,760 --> 02:00:56,480
Speaker 1: it changes it or not, the perception's gonna change. Perception

2656
02:00:56,520 --> 02:01:00,360
Speaker 1: will change. The perception will change drastically. And and I'll

2657
02:01:00,360 --> 02:01:04,120
Speaker 1: tell you what, the Dolphins front office and they're coaching

2658
02:01:04,120 --> 02:01:06,000
Speaker 1: staff are going to sit up in their chairs, and

2659
02:01:06,080 --> 02:01:08,400
Speaker 1: so are the Jets, and you know the Buffalo Bills

2660
02:01:08,680 --> 02:01:10,680
Speaker 1: are going to They're gonna sit up and say, okay,

2661
02:01:11,600 --> 02:01:14,960
Speaker 1: we got let's go. And certainly the fire is going

2662
02:01:15,000 --> 02:01:18,360
Speaker 1: to be turned up. And I can't even get my

2663
02:01:18,400 --> 02:01:21,280
Speaker 1: mind around what would mean. I'm trying to think of

2664
02:01:21,320 --> 02:01:22,840
Speaker 1: two what it's going to look like with the number

2665
02:01:22,880 --> 02:01:27,320
Speaker 1: seventeen Philip Rivers in a Coulton uniform. It's gonna be

2666
02:01:27,360 --> 02:01:30,480
Speaker 1: a very very interesting next two months in the National

2667
02:01:30,480 --> 02:01:33,280
Speaker 1: Football League, and they're not even playing games. It's really something,

2668
02:01:33,400 --> 02:01:35,480
Speaker 1: the Brady thing if he leaves the Patriots. I don't

2669
02:01:35,480 --> 02:01:37,879
Speaker 1: want to dwell on that, and there's nothing concrete except

2670
02:01:38,080 --> 02:01:40,560
Speaker 1: a feeling here. And indeed, the report from an NFL

2671
02:01:40,640 --> 02:01:45,680
Speaker 1: network that Brady's representation as agents are talking to other teams,

2672
02:01:45,680 --> 02:01:48,760
Speaker 1: the Raiders or the Chargers, the Raiders and the Colts

2673
02:01:48,760 --> 02:01:52,200
Speaker 1: among those teams the Brady thing. And to hear those

2674
02:01:52,240 --> 02:01:54,280
Speaker 1: guys in Houston asked me if the Bills would be favorites.

2675
02:01:54,480 --> 02:01:55,960
Speaker 1: That kind of brought it home to me, like, oh,

2676
02:01:56,000 --> 02:01:58,600
Speaker 1: oh my god, that might happen. That might happen. Not

2677
02:01:58,680 --> 02:02:01,280
Speaker 1: that the Bills would be favorites, but Brady might leave,

2678
02:02:01,600 --> 02:02:04,000
Speaker 1: and they might be deserved to be favorites if he left.

2679
02:02:04,280 --> 02:02:06,080
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. I don't want to get ahead

2680
02:02:06,080 --> 02:02:10,560
Speaker 1: of everything stacking up in the direction him. He said,

2681
02:02:10,720 --> 02:02:13,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say he's not leaving until he leaves. Um,

2682
02:02:13,880 --> 02:02:16,920
Speaker 1: it's just the way I am. But it's it's a

2683
02:02:16,960 --> 02:02:19,800
Speaker 1: big step. Yeah, it's And I'm talking about him for

2684
02:02:19,880 --> 02:02:24,320
Speaker 1: him personally, him and his wife and his kids. Um,

2685
02:02:25,080 --> 02:02:28,520
Speaker 1: the guy's an icon like like none other before him.

2686
02:02:29,080 --> 02:02:31,720
Speaker 1: There have been great quarterbacks, and nobody's ever been a

2687
02:02:31,800 --> 02:02:35,320
Speaker 1: six time super Bowl winner, a nine time Super Bowl participant,

2688
02:02:35,960 --> 02:02:37,960
Speaker 1: been the face of a franchise that has had that

2689
02:02:38,200 --> 02:02:41,760
Speaker 1: wild a run of success for that long, for the

2690
02:02:41,800 --> 02:02:46,320
Speaker 1: guy's entire career, and to have him on the brink

2691
02:02:46,320 --> 02:02:51,920
Speaker 1: of putting on a different jersey, to me, Uh, it's

2692
02:02:51,960 --> 02:02:55,040
Speaker 1: just impossible to think about. It's impossible to think about,

2693
02:02:55,120 --> 02:02:58,280
Speaker 1: you think, I mean, and why would he? Um, he

2694
02:02:58,320 --> 02:03:00,960
Speaker 1: has nothing more to prove. No, despite what he has said,

2695
02:03:04,120 --> 02:03:10,480
Speaker 1: it puts a different light on his entire career. Yeah,

2696
02:03:10,560 --> 02:03:13,680
Speaker 1: on his entire career. And again we just heard Kurt Warner,

2697
02:03:13,720 --> 02:03:17,680
Speaker 1: who made that move as successfully is really anyone has

2698
02:03:17,720 --> 02:03:21,120
Speaker 1: in recent memory, talk about how difficult it was. He said, Yeah,

2699
02:03:21,480 --> 02:03:23,280
Speaker 1: to go to the Giants and then finally go to

2700
02:03:23,320 --> 02:03:25,800
Speaker 1: Arizona and after a couple of years there finally have

2701
02:03:25,880 --> 02:03:28,160
Speaker 1: success there. It's not easy to do. And Brady, I

2702
02:03:28,160 --> 02:03:31,800
Speaker 1: don't think we'll have immediate success doing that either. And no,

2703
02:03:31,880 --> 02:03:33,640
Speaker 1: by the way, he's forty two years old. Think about

2704
02:03:33,680 --> 02:03:36,200
Speaker 1: this too, Murph. What team out there who's looking for

2705
02:03:36,240 --> 02:03:38,880
Speaker 1: a quarterback is poised for to be able to make

2706
02:03:38,920 --> 02:03:40,960
Speaker 1: a run like that in the next year or the

2707
02:03:41,040 --> 02:03:43,880
Speaker 1: next two years. Even who's gonna like two years as

2708
02:03:43,920 --> 02:03:46,040
Speaker 1: a way out? But what about this year? Is there

2709
02:03:46,040 --> 02:03:49,600
Speaker 1: a team that is a quarterback away? Does Tampa Bay

2710
02:03:49,680 --> 02:03:52,120
Speaker 1: seem like that? Well, if you're the Chargers or the Raiders,

2711
02:03:52,200 --> 02:03:54,520
Speaker 1: or who is the third team mentioned, they're all going

2712
02:03:54,560 --> 02:03:56,880
Speaker 1: to try and sell him that they are. Yeah, I

2713
02:03:56,920 --> 02:04:01,400
Speaker 1: don't know that I believe any of them. You don't

2714
02:04:01,440 --> 02:04:04,240
Speaker 1: like the Chargers who said somebody here, Oh, well, to

2715
02:04:04,280 --> 02:04:06,360
Speaker 1: think about this, The Chargers are going to try and

2716
02:04:06,400 --> 02:04:09,720
Speaker 1: sell him that they're that team. And the Colts think

2717
02:04:09,760 --> 02:04:12,680
Speaker 1: they've got a guy because they're in that spot. But

2718
02:04:12,840 --> 02:04:15,400
Speaker 1: let me go with Chargers. They set right here about

2719
02:04:15,400 --> 02:04:17,440
Speaker 1: an hour ago and said the Chargers are very talented.

2720
02:04:17,480 --> 02:04:20,040
Speaker 1: They are a quarterback like Brady couldn't make a difference

2721
02:04:20,040 --> 02:04:22,960
Speaker 1: for the Los Angeles Chargers take them, you know, successfully

2722
02:04:22,960 --> 02:04:26,880
Speaker 1: into the playoffs. He could. Yeah, they've got that much talent.

2723
02:04:26,920 --> 02:04:29,600
Speaker 1: Both sides of the ball. He's forty two different guy

2724
02:04:30,080 --> 02:04:33,280
Speaker 1: and got to get acclimated. And you're talking about a

2725
02:04:33,400 --> 02:04:38,400
Speaker 1: one year window or two year window or maybe and maybe,

2726
02:04:38,400 --> 02:04:41,680
Speaker 1: And this has made some sense to me. Brady's talking about. Listen,

2727
02:04:41,720 --> 02:04:44,040
Speaker 1: if you want him to come to you, you got

2728
02:04:44,120 --> 02:04:46,280
Speaker 1: to give him a commitment for multiple years till he's

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Speaker 1: forty five too, for three years, and you got to

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Speaker 1: guarantee him some money. That closes down on the teams

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Speaker 1: that are eligible for that, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: They're just not going to be a lot of teams

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02:04:56,480 --> 02:04:58,880
Speaker 1: that will do that, and not everybody anyway, so that'll

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02:04:58,920 --> 02:05:02,480
Speaker 1: cut the number of options for him down significantly when

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Speaker 1: he tells him, I need a three year commitment. Just

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02:05:05,160 --> 02:05:07,920
Speaker 1: getting interesting around Brady though, right, you admit that. I

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02:05:07,920 --> 02:05:10,000
Speaker 1: know you still think you'll go go back to New England.

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Speaker 1: But it's getting interesting. It's getting pretty interesting. Much stuff

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Speaker 1: that's going up. Yeah, yeah, very much. It was great

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Speaker 1: to talk to Kurt Warner. I have utmost respect for

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02:05:19,640 --> 02:05:21,720
Speaker 1: Kurt Warner's career and the way he's handled himself. You

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02:05:21,800 --> 02:05:23,960
Speaker 1: knew him from broadcasting some games with him, right, Yeah,

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02:05:24,040 --> 02:05:26,160
Speaker 1: he's the best. He's a great, great, great guy, got

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Speaker 1: a great family. His story, the one that they're gonna

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02:05:28,720 --> 02:05:32,400
Speaker 1: make a movie about is if if you're write if

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02:05:32,480 --> 02:05:34,280
Speaker 1: when he says they're still working on the script and said,

2747
02:05:34,280 --> 02:05:35,880
Speaker 1: when the script is done and you hand it to

2748
02:05:35,920 --> 02:05:38,160
Speaker 1: somebody in Hollywood, if you didn't tell him it was true,

2749
02:05:38,200 --> 02:05:40,160
Speaker 1: they would they'd rip it up and say it's a

2750
02:05:40,160 --> 02:05:44,480
Speaker 1: fairy tale. Can't it can't work as a supermarket throw

2751
02:05:44,800 --> 02:05:48,600
Speaker 1: throwing cans of soup to his guys, right and playing

2752
02:05:49,320 --> 02:05:53,160
Speaker 1: for the Iowa Barnstormers in the Arena League, and then

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02:05:54,480 --> 02:05:57,040
Speaker 1: through a series of event an injury gets on the

2754
02:05:57,080 --> 02:06:00,680
Speaker 1: field and Super Bowl MVP bang to the top of

2755
02:06:00,680 --> 02:06:04,160
Speaker 1: the game or like in a heartbeat, and his life

2756
02:06:04,160 --> 02:06:07,839
Speaker 1: has changed and been different ever since. And his bride,

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02:06:08,160 --> 02:06:11,280
Speaker 1: his family that they've they've established the time that and

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02:06:11,320 --> 02:06:14,360
Speaker 1: now he's went to different teams and oh my gosh,

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02:06:14,640 --> 02:06:17,560
Speaker 1: forget it. It's a great story. It's a great phenomenal story.

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02:06:17,560 --> 02:06:19,120
Speaker 1: And he's a great guy. Sit here and he'll be

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02:06:19,160 --> 02:06:22,320
Speaker 1: on tonight on NFL Network. As the wide receiver's tight

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02:06:22,440 --> 02:06:24,880
Speaker 1: ends and the quarterbacks begin to work out, all right,

2763
02:06:24,880 --> 02:06:26,480
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a break. Can we take a break? Now,

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02:06:26,560 --> 02:06:28,520
Speaker 1: mister produce, Yes, we can. We get the high signed

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Speaker 1: for a break. Thumbs up. We got a break here,

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Speaker 1: and then we're back with more. One Bill side presented

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Speaker 1: by Kalida Health. Coming here from the NFL Scouting Combine,

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Speaker 1: an Indie. This is Buffalo Bill's raiding, welcome back, rapping

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02:06:49,160 --> 02:06:51,480
Speaker 1: things up here from the NFL Scouting Combine. What happened?

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02:06:51,480 --> 02:06:53,640
Speaker 1: It might be noisier than it has been all day here.

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02:06:53,840 --> 02:06:55,600
Speaker 1: Two o'clock they opened the doors for the fans to

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02:06:55,640 --> 02:06:57,520
Speaker 1: come in, and they've got a whole fan section here.

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02:06:57,760 --> 02:07:00,360
Speaker 1: Around about three thirty or four, they start bench pressing

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02:07:00,440 --> 02:07:03,280
Speaker 1: right over here, paces back. We saw one Bill shirt

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02:07:03,320 --> 02:07:05,240
Speaker 1: go by here and yeah, that guy ga gave me

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02:07:05,240 --> 02:07:07,360
Speaker 1: a salute. Yeah, it took a few pictures. Some Bills

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02:07:07,360 --> 02:07:11,280
Speaker 1: fans tooling around. It's everybody's lined up to go get

2778
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Speaker 1: their picture taken with the Lombardi Trophy. Nice. It's been

2779
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Speaker 1: a great day here, Steve. Let me just run down

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02:07:15,960 --> 02:07:18,680
Speaker 1: the guests we had today. Maddie Glab a very owned

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02:07:18,680 --> 02:07:21,280
Speaker 1: Maddie Glab. Matt Miller from Bleacher Report gave us his

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02:07:21,360 --> 02:07:23,360
Speaker 1: view of the of the combine and some of the

2783
02:07:23,440 --> 02:07:27,800
Speaker 1: draft prospects here Matt Bowing from NFL matchup on ESPN,

2784
02:07:27,840 --> 02:07:32,360
Speaker 1: who was spectacular. He's got ideas for new meaningful drills

2785
02:07:32,360 --> 02:07:36,839
Speaker 1: for quarterbacks, in particular. Jordan Palmer, Josh Allen's quarterback guru,

2786
02:07:36,920 --> 02:07:38,920
Speaker 1: was with us for a while today. He was sensational.

2787
02:07:39,240 --> 02:07:41,480
Speaker 1: And of course a minute ago, Kurt Warner, Kurt Warner

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02:07:41,480 --> 02:07:43,600
Speaker 1: hall of famer, Hall of famer, but arterback who played

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02:07:43,640 --> 02:07:46,960
Speaker 1: at two different two different franchise, three different franchise, Like

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Speaker 1: some of these guys are gonna do maybe Tom Brady

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02:07:48,880 --> 02:07:51,160
Speaker 1: and Philip Rivers and all the stuff. It was great.

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Speaker 1: It was a great show. Busy, busy, busy, and now

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02:07:53,240 --> 02:07:55,240
Speaker 1: the fans are here as things starting to ramp up.

2794
02:07:55,280 --> 02:07:56,480
Speaker 1: You can hear I don't know if you can hear

2795
02:07:56,480 --> 02:07:58,560
Speaker 1: the music in the background. They got that going. And

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02:07:59,080 --> 02:08:03,480
Speaker 1: hear a radio row, you know, now, Murph, Now just

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02:08:03,520 --> 02:08:06,320
Speaker 1: this minute. We've been here since Monday. Now, just this minute,

2798
02:08:06,320 --> 02:08:08,160
Speaker 1: I started to feel this starts to feel like in

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Speaker 1: like radio row at an NFL event. Right, i'bout people

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02:08:12,360 --> 02:08:16,200
Speaker 1: milling around. The electricity's starting to turn up. People are

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Speaker 1: sitting there, they got grandstands right next to us for

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Speaker 1: the bench press competition. Yeah, this is uh, this is

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02:08:22,880 --> 02:08:25,520
Speaker 1: a tip now. It is a typical NFL event. We

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02:08:25,600 --> 02:08:28,080
Speaker 1: had a pretty good Twitter poll going today. I'm sorry

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02:08:28,080 --> 02:08:31,040
Speaker 1: we didn't get much. I didn't like the responses, to

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Speaker 1: be honest, and I'm surprised. I'm surprised we asked for you.

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Speaker 1: You know, what should the bills be looking for? What

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02:08:36,880 --> 02:08:39,160
Speaker 1: characteristic should they be looking for in some of the

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Speaker 1: prospects are talking to Fifty four percent, Okay, that's not bad.

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Speaker 1: I like that response. I'm kidding. Fifty four percent said attitude,

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02:08:45,640 --> 02:08:48,920
Speaker 1: work ethic, Thirty nine percent say athletic ability. They're all

2812
02:08:48,960 --> 02:08:52,000
Speaker 1: good athletes here, folks, four percent at something else in mind.

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02:08:52,040 --> 02:08:55,200
Speaker 1: Three percent said physical health. You know what if Brandon

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Speaker 1: mean and he did it the other day, he sat

2815
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Speaker 1: down here. What's the most important thing? What characteristics are

2816
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Speaker 1: you looking for? What is health? Physical health? Goals? See

2817
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Speaker 1: how they are. That's the and and it's the interview thing,

2818
02:09:03,920 --> 02:09:06,360
Speaker 1: this work ethic and what they want you know what

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02:09:06,440 --> 02:09:08,000
Speaker 1: kind of kid they are. They want to look sit

2820
02:09:08,080 --> 02:09:10,200
Speaker 1: down with them, just like like you and I are

2821
02:09:10,200 --> 02:09:11,880
Speaker 1: sitting right here next to each other. They want to

2822
02:09:11,880 --> 02:09:13,400
Speaker 1: look him in the eye and ask him some questions,

2823
02:09:13,400 --> 02:09:17,760
Speaker 1: find out their attitude. How you know, are they articulate?

2824
02:09:18,840 --> 02:09:24,000
Speaker 1: Are they smart? Are they confident? Uh? What makes them tick?

2825
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Speaker 1: And try and find that stuff out? And uh, just

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02:09:27,040 --> 02:09:30,240
Speaker 1: do you get to know him a little bit? Because listen,

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Speaker 1: when you draft these guys, Murph Bills fans know this,

2828
02:09:33,880 --> 02:09:36,920
Speaker 1: maybe better than any fan base in the NFL. When

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02:09:36,920 --> 02:09:39,400
Speaker 1: you draft him, particularly a guy in the twenty second

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02:09:39,440 --> 02:09:43,440
Speaker 1: overall in the NFL draft, you're drafting a family member. Yeah,

2831
02:09:43,480 --> 02:09:46,280
Speaker 1: you gotta like them, you know, yep, because you're stuck

2832
02:09:46,320 --> 02:09:47,960
Speaker 1: with him. Yep. Hey, we got a great show coming

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02:09:48,000 --> 02:09:50,760
Speaker 1: up tomorrow. Bucky Brooks from NFL dot Com. Greg co

2834
02:09:50,960 --> 02:09:54,160
Speaker 1: Sell joins US Friday. That's where he belongs. Jim Nagy,

2835
02:09:54,400 --> 02:09:58,240
Speaker 1: Executive director of the Senior Bowl, Kim Jones from NFL Network.

2836
02:09:58,320 --> 02:10:00,480
Speaker 1: Great show coming up tomorrow. We want to thanks Brayton

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02:10:00,520 --> 02:10:03,240
Speaker 1: Wilson and Joe Debiance for producing US today back in

2838
02:10:03,360 --> 02:10:06,000
Speaker 1: Archard Park. Hope to be back on MSG network tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you then. For Steve Tasker, I'm John Murphy.

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02:10:08,440 --> 02:10:10,840
Speaker 1: Thanks for watching or listening you weren't watching. It's one

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Speaker 1: Bill's Live from the NFL Scouting Combine on Buffalo Bill's

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Speaker 1: Radio