Speaker 1: We've got a big episode for you guys. Mets just
Speaker 1: wrapped up a series with the Phillies. You're gonna get
Speaker 1: about ten minutes fifteen minutes of talking about actual baseball,
Speaker 1: and then the rest of this podcast is gonna be
Speaker 1: talking about Carls Mendoza's firing. The media. We're media marveling media.
Speaker 1: It's just it's a overarching media, media marvel little bit
Speaker 1: of Eric Schavez podcast. We're gonna do a live episode
Speaker 1: of that for you guys tomorrow, So if you want
Speaker 1: to see that, we're gonna literally live watch and give
Speaker 1: our thoughts and opinions live as we see it. We'll
Speaker 1: talk about some of the clips that we've seen. David Sturtz,
Speaker 1: I mean, some way, somehow, this Mets world is a mess,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna tell you something crazy, James. I'm so
Speaker 1: back into watching the Mets now because now that it's
Speaker 1: like such a circus in the craziest way possible, and
Speaker 1: we are, what it seems like, committed to selling and rebuilding.
Speaker 1: Now it's fun season. Now. I'm just watching for twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: Seven, fantastic season. I was glued to the game on Sunday.
Speaker 2: You and I were at good friend's wedding on Saturday.
Speaker 2: Congratulations to Alex and Debb talking about stub how much
Speaker 2: more we were, how excited we were to do this
Speaker 2: podcast tonight just because of how much stuff happened. Can't
Speaker 2: you believe how much stuff has happened in the twenty
Speaker 2: six hours since we even had that conversation. But it's
Speaker 2: so much and crazy that Sunday was a baseball game
Speaker 2: where there is a lot to talk about. Their game
Speaker 2: was tons of stories. We got great pitching performances from
Speaker 2: Zach Thornton and Christian Scott on Well, I guess great.
Speaker 2: It's a stretch for Scott and Saurday, but for very
Speaker 2: great performance both in Friday and Saturday. But it was
Speaker 2: the baseball was fun and everything else. Right now, I'm
Speaker 2: so addicted to all the toxic sludge I can't stop.
Speaker 1: Yeah again, we will be doing a full episode pressing
Speaker 1: to the space bar to play with our faces next
Speaker 1: to Eric Schovis and whoever the hell his host is.
Speaker 1: We're gonna live react to that for a video for
Speaker 1: you guys on Tuesday, so make sure you are subscribed
Speaker 1: to bet Stuff for that audio. I don't know how
Speaker 1: it's gonna do, but just just stick around. You'll be
Speaker 1: able to hear it.
Speaker 2: I guess we'll be able to hear erk Schovis the
Speaker 2: whole thing and us reacting to it. I got halfway
Speaker 2: through watching it tonight and I was a quite a second.
Speaker 2: We should do this live, We should let everyone hear
Speaker 2: our reactions. But it's insane. Again, let's rip the baseball
Speaker 2: stuff off firs. Let's do it Sunday, a classic infuriating
Speaker 2: Mets game from this season, whereas you had literally not
Speaker 2: a math guy, one billion chances to score off of
Speaker 2: Jesus Lazardo and the Philly bullpen, and you couldn't come
Speaker 2: through in any way, shape or form. You had a
Speaker 2: horrific inning from Tobias Myers. You had one horrible pitch
Speaker 2: from code I Sango, who lo Is Thera by a
Speaker 2: full run today, which is crazy because five in two runs. Great,
Speaker 2: great move by saying it touched one hundred miles an hour,
Speaker 2: but just that fat pitch to Kyle Schwarber, and then
Speaker 2: again it was fourteen left on base. I'll get the
Speaker 2: exact numbers right now, but I think it was two
Speaker 2: for twelve with runs to scoring position. It was if
Speaker 2: there wasn't so much extracurriculars happening with this Mets team.
Speaker 2: You'd be like, this was just another loss, exactly two
Speaker 2: for sixteen runs of scoring position, fourteen guys left on base.
Speaker 2: It was the fourth inning when you had Bishett and Wagonman.
Speaker 2: Then it was the fifth inning when Lazarela was running
Speaker 2: on fumes again with the righties coming up. It was
Speaker 2: so annoying not to be able to punch through against
Speaker 2: lazarre though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was insane because he did not have good
Speaker 1: stuff at all. He had zero control. He was it
Speaker 1: felt like on the back seat, like every single time
Speaker 1: Mets had so many runners on. We had some really
Speaker 1: good at bats too, like Brett Baty's been future, but
Speaker 1: he walked three times in this game. He had some
Speaker 1: great at bats in this one. He had some bad
Speaker 1: at bats in this one.
Speaker 3: Really bad one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one really bad one. I mean, this is what's
Speaker 1: gonna happen with this Mets team. Again. We are fully
Speaker 1: committed to this team's gonna stink the rest of the season.
Speaker 1: So it's not even something that I can get mad about.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to look at this roster and look at
Speaker 1: the performances and honestly, just put each player in a
Speaker 1: vacuum and see what we get. And there are some
Speaker 1: encouraging things, there's some discouraging things, and like Ryan Marisio's
Speaker 1: play really discouraging. That's not something that's really seeming like
Speaker 1: it's gonna get any better anytime soon.
Speaker 2: And he had maybe one of.
Speaker 1: The worst at bats we've seen in a very long time.
Speaker 2: Oh very bad. I'll walk you guys through that one
Speaker 2: right now. That was the eighth inning when the Mets
Speaker 2: put together a rally. The start off with the nice,
Speaker 2: tough Luise Terrentz walk off, Ryan Kirkering bench flies out,
Speaker 2: and then you can kind of feel the way that
Speaker 2: Ryan Kirkering and the Phillies were very aware that they
Speaker 2: just couldn't pitch to want Sola Bobachette yep, walk them
Speaker 2: both very much avoiding them. Bashett took four pitches out
Speaker 2: of his own, just missed a hangar, and he took
Speaker 2: four pitches out of his own after that, then you
Speaker 2: have one out and the bass is loaded with Ronni
Speaker 2: Marizio and Franciscoualverrez up and Ryni Marisio after Ryan Kirkering
Speaker 2: hedro throwing eight consecutive balls, nine consecutive balls to start
Speaker 2: that at bat, he throws a high fastball and Ryan
Speaker 2: just pops it up and it probably would have been
Speaker 2: called a strike. But in that situation, is still saying Ryan, Mriss,
Speaker 2: young player, you have to take a strike. Bass is loaded,
Speaker 2: one run game. You are not exactly a prolific baseball.
Speaker 2: You have to And then franciscau Aalverz comes up next,
Speaker 2: and after he takes a first pitch ball, then he
Speaker 2: takes then he takes a strike, then he whiffs. It
Speaker 2: takes two Mammot swings the balls in the zone where
Speaker 2: a single wins the game a home run. You feel great,
Speaker 2: but like it was a very classic situation where Frintis
Speaker 2: guiver Is still is not playing to the scoreboard.
Speaker 1: No, he's trying to do way too much. And the
Speaker 1: Mets young players in general are just trying to do
Speaker 1: too much. Even Ronnie Marisio. It's like they don't have
Speaker 1: an ab swing. And that's something that we've talked a
Speaker 1: lot about with guys that are the best hitters in
Speaker 1: the league, that are successful constantly. Yes, we want power
Speaker 1: out of Jan Soto, we want home runs. We wanted
Speaker 1: to put the ball in the air, do all those things.
Speaker 1: But Wansto very much has an AB swing, and you
Speaker 1: even saw it against was a Kyle back Is. I
Speaker 1: think he got his hit single to right field. Those
Speaker 1: were B swings. It's a tough at bat for him,
Speaker 1: a lefty side armed submarine guy who throws from behind
Speaker 1: your back. He just bloops one into right field. A
Speaker 1: nice little piece of hitting on his B swing. These
Speaker 1: other Mets hitters, part of the reason we haven't seen
Speaker 1: them take a step forward is because yes, Alphorism Maurice,
Speaker 1: who have the crazy pop, the power, we know all
Speaker 1: about it. But they have no ability to not take
Speaker 1: that swing.
Speaker 2: It seems like and again somehow, well that really infuriated me.
Speaker 2: There was also the situation where Brett Batty and this
Speaker 2: became a big talking point, but with two outs and
Speaker 2: two runners on second and third in the seventh he
Speaker 2: got again. This is after Mariso and Alfarez struck out
Speaker 2: to begin this inning off of Jose Alvarado. Brett Baty
Speaker 2: gets the play appearance against Jose Alvarado and everyone SMI
Speaker 2: kept panting to Francisco Lindor in the dugout. It was
Speaker 2: very obviously wasn't available. The plan Francisco Lindor has come
Speaker 2: up and play two out of three day. Of course
Speaker 2: that's the plan. If they rushed him back. We know
Speaker 2: they rushed him back, we know he wasn't available. Still
Speaker 2: very annoying to watch the situation where Brett Baty's completely
Speaker 2: overpowered by Jose Alvarado and the camera keeps going to
Speaker 2: Francisco Lindor, who's not coming into the game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen both sides. I get it, Like, why
Speaker 1: is Lindor up if he's not ready to play every day? Also,
Speaker 1: then why did the Mets panic if they're clearly not
Speaker 1: really focused on becoming a playoff team the rest of
Speaker 1: the year. So what's the reason to get Francisco Lindor
Speaker 1: back so quickly?
Speaker 2: Well, I think the opposite. Actually, I think you'd rather
Speaker 2: him play two games by the three in City Field
Speaker 2: than Syracuse. Oh, I that's panic, that's I'm trying to win.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you. I would I would rather
Speaker 1: see this too. But it does suck that the Mets
Speaker 1: this year have found a way almost every single game
Speaker 1: this season to not play with a full twenty six man.
Speaker 2: Roster, yes, always five an absolute way to do that
Speaker 2: but again somehow, in some way, the sequence in this
Speaker 2: game that pissed me off the most, I think came
Speaker 2: in the fourth inning when so Though and bascheck it
Speaker 2: on to start the inning, and you have the lefty
Speaker 2: crushers allegedly back to back to back against Hayesusle's who
Speaker 2: again came into the start without much, even though he
Speaker 2: did hold the Mets almost scoreless over his five innings
Speaker 2: of work. And similar to no Ay, swing beats swing,
Speaker 2: Eric Wagaman comes up there just taking hacks, yeah, and
Speaker 2: then versus g Alvers comes up again, hacks again. Fourth inning,
Speaker 2: Shore take your hacks. But you in a situation where
Speaker 2: we have a guy in the ropes and Mark Fianto's
Speaker 2: comes up and just has such an unbelievably bad so
Speaker 2: bad it's it's a frustrating. We're and playing third Bass
Speaker 2: hasn't played third base all your plays third base twice
Speaker 2: in three games. You know what that is?
Speaker 1: Right, Try to trade him, that's totally. Hopefully someone sees
Speaker 1: that he can just stand at third base and not
Speaker 1: be Rafael Devers and they'll they'll take him for again
Speaker 1: a seventeen year old in the DSL.
Speaker 2: And then again once you do have those are on
Speaker 2: the ropes again. The following inning is last inning of work.
Speaker 2: Bo comes up with a guy in scoring position. It's
Speaker 2: so she's still down three to one, and he just
Speaker 2: again he loses all semblance of approach. Everything is got
Speaker 2: swings the four consecutive pitches to strike out, and then
Speaker 2: Wagaman comes up and he's a lazy flatball center that
Speaker 2: ends that threat as well. It's just it's just frustrating
Speaker 2: how the approach which can leave these guys on a
Speaker 2: moment's know this and you could blow those opportunities.
Speaker 1: You know who rocks though?
Speaker 2: Who aj Ewing the best?
Speaker 1: He's so good, what a the hood baseball player he is.
Speaker 1: And what's funny is he's still struggling insane against lefties
Speaker 1: like he is under the Mendoza line. I believe batting
Speaker 1: average wise against lefties. I liked what Andy Green said
Speaker 1: about getting aj Ewing reps against lefties. It's something that
Speaker 1: he's going to have to earn to play into more.
Speaker 1: Based on what he saw as a Padres manager when
Speaker 1: they went up against the Dodgers with guys like Bellinger
Speaker 1: and Munsey and all that he goes. You have to
Speaker 1: earn those at bats when given the opportunity, prove that
Speaker 1: you can. Obviously he came into the game against the righty.
Speaker 1: But man like two seventy nine, three sixty seven eighty
Speaker 1: one for aj Ewing so far, and what he has
Speaker 1: one hundred and forty seven at bats, so he's like
Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty played appearances.
Speaker 2: Dude's a damn good ballplayer.
Speaker 1: I know he has to earn him, but I want
Speaker 1: to see him play every day. I know by've all
Speaker 1: in this game using him coming off the bench. Once
Speaker 1: you get to the sixth inning, he improves your defense
Speaker 1: and he can come in to face the rights. Immediately
Speaker 1: smacks a home run off of Chase Sugart and that's
Speaker 1: his name, right, yeah, shit end shout out, Andy Green.
Speaker 1: You knew when to take Tyrone Taylor out. You don't
Speaker 1: get that bad against righty. It doesn't matter what time
Speaker 1: of the game it is. That's why we have aj Ewing.
Speaker 2: Same thing with Mark Vientos and then Jared junk struck
Speaker 2: out in that bad and they got hit by a pitch.
Speaker 2: Cherry Young had a weird game. But you don't let
Speaker 2: these guys play against right He's they're interface lefties now
Speaker 2: Ray anders in try and get the advantage, and that
Speaker 2: inning is what swung the game momentarily. That sixth inning
Speaker 2: when we went to the bench, we got a hold
Speaker 2: of it and then again similarly Chef making out to
Speaker 2: end that inning. But you can't get hit every single
Speaker 2: time up. And then the Sanka stuff is annoying too,
Speaker 2: because when he came in in the fifth, you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is stuff, like you're sitting here, I'm seeing hundreds
Speaker 2: like this is really fun, especially after that Tobias may
Speaker 2: Is third where it was just with two outs, there
Speaker 2: was no bear down whatsoever, missed every single spot callor
Speaker 2: was terrible, Like it was very annoying, but split the
Speaker 2: right in his own again it was I don't know.
Speaker 1: The Marschaf bat was a really good battle and the
Speaker 1: bomb hit was clock boom.
Speaker 2: It was just knocked that split it right the other way. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was just it was the lack of bear down
Speaker 2: that frustrated with Tobias Myer. But I don't I have
Speaker 2: trouble blaming Tobias Myers for anything because of how much
Speaker 2: we've moved him around this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're now stuck with a guy that he's not
Speaker 1: stretched out to be a starter, but he's not in
Speaker 1: a short enough situation to go one hundred and ten percent.
Speaker 1: So now you just have a pitcher that's gonna go
Speaker 1: a couple of innings and not have his best stuff.
Speaker 2: Ever was the Sanga thing where he settled in really
Speaker 2: well into this game. He fought harder than the six
Speaker 2: to get it. That was magician Sanga back. Yes, when
Speaker 2: they're second and third to start the inning, and then
Speaker 2: you don't give up a run. I was like, Oh,
Speaker 2: this is actually the guy that I would like to
Speaker 2: see right now, Goes and again pumping a hundred Goes.
Speaker 2: Fork looked really good again because the fastball is one hundred,
Speaker 2: you could throw in his own it's nice. But the
Speaker 2: one fastball he shouldn't have thrown in the zone was
Speaker 2: the pitch to Kyle Schwarbur when he was Fork Fork Fork.
Speaker 2: And at that point you never want to say I'm
Speaker 2: okay walking to the guy because Bryce Harper's on deck,
Speaker 2: But in that situation, you just know he's the one
Speaker 2: that can hurt you. You just stole the momentum back
Speaker 2: in this game, just not an opportunity, especially as his
Speaker 2: loss he was trickling down to throw a fastball on
Speaker 2: the zone.
Speaker 1: Also Kyle Schwarber and saying, Senga's try to challenge him
Speaker 1: with the fastball a bunch.
Speaker 2: It doesn't the worst baby.
Speaker 1: Yet you're not beating Kyle Schwarb with the fastball, not
Speaker 1: being brest harder with the fastball. Probably not the guys
Speaker 1: to use that pitch on.
Speaker 2: No, But yeah, I still like the way that the
Speaker 2: pitching was deployed in this game. Because the saying is
Speaker 2: going to be on the roster, you have to find
Speaker 2: ways to do that. But again, that fastball dropped three
Speaker 2: miles an hour between his first sitting and his last stitning.
Speaker 2: So maybe that's also a lesson to us that maybe
Speaker 2: he just shouldn't even get eighty pitches. Maybe he should
Speaker 2: be a sixty pitch guy, because you didn't.
Speaker 1: He's in the bullpen now, be still acting like he
Speaker 1: has a start of this workload getting to the eighty pitches.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Whatever whatever happens, I'm sure we're gonna
Speaker 2: screw it up.
Speaker 1: But did you hear the comments from code I about
Speaker 1: what's going on with him pitching wise? He said a
Speaker 1: lot of it is mental that Mentally, he's struggling, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, God, Like, he's self aware. It's good. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, he's like, what I try to
Speaker 1: throw strikes? I can't when I go out there and
Speaker 1: I just pitch. That's why I'm throwing strikes. So do that,
Speaker 1: do that, do that, do that. But he's struggled with
Speaker 1: the mental side of it, and that's why he's like,
Speaker 1: apparently you see him looking up to the gods again,
Speaker 1: look for answers because he's mentally in such a blender
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 2: I mean, that freeze frame of the Schwarburg home run
Speaker 2: was classic. And we're we're over ten minutes now talking baseball,
Speaker 2: so it's rap fifteen. Let's wrap up the rest of
Speaker 2: baseball in three minutes. I want to talk Friday because
Speaker 2: Zach Thorton was awesome. I didn't think they should have
Speaker 2: sent him back down. I think so Weeda don't like
Speaker 2: that at all. But I really like the way he
Speaker 2: uses color against the hitter's from both sides of play.
Speaker 2: The Phillies don't platon very much, so it kind of
Speaker 2: shows you how a picture's going to approach each handedness. Yes,
Speaker 2: and used used that color early. He used that color late.
Speaker 2: It was a total weapon for him. He got tons
Speaker 2: of first pitch strikes. I love the fact that he
Speaker 2: got smacked in the mouth first three batches of the game, Turner, Schwarber, Harper, Bank, Bank, Bank,
Speaker 2: three hits, bearing down on you, Jerry Young makes a
Speaker 2: nice diving play. I think that was on Boone or Marsh,
Speaker 2: I can't remember who. But Thornton got really comfortable after that. Again,
Speaker 2: mixed speed. He threw one change up and he got
Speaker 2: a nasty whiff on it. I think that was from
Speaker 2: from Harper, That went from Bow I remember exactly. Keith
Speaker 2: was like, whoa, I know he had that. He only
Speaker 2: wond up through and won the whole game. But I
Speaker 2: like the bones of Zach Thorton. I think he could
Speaker 2: definitely be the new David Peterson complimentary wise, like when
Speaker 2: David petersmon was good, but that was I was very,
Speaker 2: very very impressed with how he responded after that first inning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really couldn't believe they send him back down.
Speaker 1: Six innings, five hits, one walk. Wondered to run seven
Speaker 1: k's against the Phillies. That feels feels like a really
Speaker 1: good outing. He he went toe to toe with Zach Wheeler,
Speaker 1: one of the best pitchers in baseball that deserves one
Speaker 1: more go. He should have won because in the first inning,
Speaker 1: Derek Hale, who walks into city field and the ghost
Speaker 1: of Tory Hunter takes over his whole fucking body.
Speaker 2: I don't know how he makes these catches against us
Speaker 2: every single time. That was one of the best catch
Speaker 2: I've ever seen. I couldn't even believe it. So they
Speaker 2: got his.
Speaker 1: Whole fucking arm above the wall.
Speaker 2: Wheeler looked like he'd never seen something like that in
Speaker 2: his life. Sola was back in the doug out the
Speaker 2: second happen, looking like how could that be real? But
Speaker 2: then after that, like again it's it's Zach Wheeler, John
Speaker 2: durand the ninth inning difficult to muster up offense against them.
Speaker 2: Can't blame them, wish it what they got different. Yes, Saturday,
Speaker 2: Christian Scott return. Mets are eight and two Christian Scott
Speaker 2: games this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and he didn't even necessarily have his
Speaker 1: best stuff for give him, like, give him length, which
Speaker 1: is normally what you need. But Mets win when Christian
Speaker 1: Scott's on the mountain, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: And that fastball is just zippy, like he's getting it
Speaker 2: up to ninety eight and then he's doing at the leathers.
Speaker 1: Wasn't that what Andy Green? Andy Green said, Christian Scott
Speaker 1: was like the first pitcher in the Miners that I
Speaker 1: fell in love with in the Mets organization because you
Speaker 1: see that fastball and you're like, his kid's gonna be
Speaker 1: really good.
Speaker 2: There was also a really nice He was able to
Speaker 2: work the color much more to lefties than he was
Speaker 2: doing before going down the ange list. That's something to
Speaker 2: watch with Christian Scott and now moving forward because again
Speaker 2: similar to we're just talking about with Thorton, maybe they
Speaker 2: saw it with Thornton. There were like this team's color susceptible.
Speaker 2: He was starting that color early, he mixed in some
Speaker 2: colors late. He was getting swings and misses with it
Speaker 2: like it was, and that fastball is just it starts
Speaker 2: the whole drink together. That pitch is unbelievably nasty when
Speaker 2: he's locating it. Really like Christian Scott happy he's back
Speaker 2: and healthy. Small things great too. Papin's unbelievable, but again
Speaker 2: probably left Mintern a little bit too long because then
Speaker 2: he couldn't pitch like the updown from Winter. Again, we
Speaker 2: didn't we hadn't taken the lead yet by that point.
Speaker 2: We just kind of rallyed just after he left the game,
Speaker 2: but then he didn't get to come in when we
Speaker 2: needed the left say they want to get a full workload.
Speaker 2: So everyone talking about they should have taken out.
Speaker 1: Where was Rayley really threw a back to back with
Speaker 1: forty pitches like three days ago, so I think they
Speaker 1: said they were trying to avoid him, But again, I
Speaker 1: think this is stuff we were talking about before.
Speaker 2: I think they wanted saying it to get somewhere near
Speaker 2: seventy five pitches. Yeah, so I don't think there's even
Speaker 2: consideration of him not facing Schwarbur and that truthfully and
Speaker 2: love the sequence on Saturday with the abs challenges Wagons
Speaker 2: my god, yes, just owning the home play Umpire and
Speaker 2: the home play Umpire being like openly like moody about
Speaker 2: it and then still losing. Yeah, because the umpires are idiots. No,
Speaker 2: that that bullpen looked nasty. Aj Ewing's awesome, Carson benj
Speaker 2: awsoen Wance. So the great game, Lindor had great game
Speaker 2: like it was, that was the game where you actually
Speaker 2: feel happy. Probably also us feeling happy for a friend
Speaker 2: getting married.
Speaker 1: It was a good day.
Speaker 2: Best man, yeah, best man Mark gave a good speech.
Speaker 2: Libations were moving like it was. We were like, this
Speaker 2: is fun baseball. Then Sunday gets kind of swept away
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Speaker 1: Ready, talk about the real stuff, James. You know it
Speaker 1: because I told you this last night at the wedding.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to talk about this. I was I
Speaker 1: was selling my girlfriend today. I was like, it might
Speaker 1: be a two hour podcast because I got so much
Speaker 1: to say. We're gonna be doing some crazy talk right
Speaker 1: now because it's the conversations in the Mets world media, Twitter, Family,
Speaker 1: shout out of our family.
Speaker 2: They rock.
Speaker 1: They got all the right takes. It's like it's like
Speaker 1: I've never seen polar opposites and also some of the
Speaker 1: just worst horrible takes ever. The revision is history is crazy.
Speaker 1: The glazing is crazy. It's weird. It's weird, and I
Speaker 1: can't wait to talk about it.
Speaker 2: No, So we're here. So since we left you guys
Speaker 2: on Friday, the instant reaction sadly delayed this reaction because
Speaker 2: I had a nice little sleep in on Friday. But
Speaker 2: pros Mendoza got fired. We got the press conference from
Speaker 2: David Stearns, we got the press conference from Andy Green,
Speaker 2: We got two great articles from Will Salmon. We got
Speaker 2: another two or three articles from everybody out there. We
Speaker 2: got Mike Puma asking David Searns to step down. We
Speaker 2: had gay mister Mett dancing behind a very serious Steve Gallups.
Speaker 2: I think really underscores everything about this organization. Like it
Speaker 2: is just I can't even believe how much has happened.
Speaker 1: It's, uh, it's shocking that in a weekend where the
Speaker 1: manager getting fired really like was so it was so obvious,
Speaker 1: so insanely obvious, that there's now so much narrative about
Speaker 1: how he shouldn't have been fired, which is it's batshit
Speaker 1: fucking crazy to me. I don't know what happened to
Speaker 1: the writers and the media. I actually do know. They're
Speaker 1: not reporting anymore. They're giving their opinions. And I can't
Speaker 1: think of people whose opinions I give a shit less
Speaker 1: about than people who write about the team. But like,
Speaker 1: it's just it's fucking crazy. That for all the reasons
Speaker 1: that they hate David Stearns, and you're totally allowed to
Speaker 1: hate David Stearns in the job that he's done the Mets,
Speaker 1: the podcast. We like David Surs and a broadman. He
Speaker 1: has not done a good enough job, There's no doubt
Speaker 1: about it. But to blame him for everything while also
Speaker 1: then saying that Carls Mendez is not responsible for anything
Speaker 1: despite this team being so fucking bad. I don't know
Speaker 1: how you can look at the leader of the team
Speaker 1: on the field and be like, you know what, he's
Speaker 1: doing a good enough job.
Speaker 2: It is all David Stearns' fault. Yes, Well, at the
Speaker 2: same time, I did like elements of David Sterns press
Speaker 2: conference the media. Again, special, very special, medium level to
Speaker 2: Mike Puma for asking David Stearns if he was willing
Speaker 2: to step down and saying that David Stearns the bad
Speaker 2: job when I want to read the exact weeks. I
Speaker 2: think it's very meaningful here from Mike Puma. This was
Speaker 2: on where is It It's so was. This was March
Speaker 2: twenty fourth, eight fifty six in the morning, fresh first
Speaker 2: coffee thought of the day, The post fine Baseball Preview
Speaker 2: is out today, including staff predictions. This is my seventeenth
Speaker 2: season on the beat and never picked the Mets to
Speaker 2: win the World Series. My pick this year Mets over Mariners.
Speaker 2: I will note that my preseason pick last year was
Speaker 2: Dodgers over Blue Jays.
Speaker 1: He's got to make sure you know that.
Speaker 2: But the thing that it can we say every single
Speaker 2: episode now continues to piss me off about this media frenzy.
Speaker 2: Anti David Stearns, specifically in this moment pro Carlos Mendoza
Speaker 2: is the Revision's history around all these writers saying the
Speaker 2: roster was flawed. The Mets went to this season like
Speaker 2: asking for a disaster. I'll be honest, the only people
Speaker 2: who I spoke to before the season who didn't like
Speaker 2: where this Mets team was at was my dad and
Speaker 2: my buddy Ryan. And I'll say this, Ryan miserable, fun,
Speaker 2: always upside, really mad about everything. If Brendan's probably listening
Speaker 2: to this, lett Ryan know and my dad Dad has
Speaker 2: never been a Bobaschek guy.
Speaker 1: He thought that was a weird I mean, we were
Speaker 1: in Boba, guys, we shame on us.
Speaker 2: But all of these riders refusive in their praise of
Speaker 2: how David Stearns turned this roster over quickly. Every single
Speaker 2: projection system had the Mets as a top three offense,
Speaker 2: the top five overall team in baseball. YEP, for now
Speaker 2: some reason, again we've knew. Now we know that Steve
Speaker 2: Phillips also was anti what this Mets team was going
Speaker 2: to the season. Credit to Steve. Don't google his name, no,
Speaker 2: don't google his name. But for everyone now to be
Speaker 2: looking at this and being like this was a disaster
Speaker 2: from the start, very very disingenuous. And that's the part
Speaker 2: that keeps sticking in my crawl about the coverage of
Speaker 2: it all.
Speaker 1: Yes, because I mean, we've seen this happen with the
Speaker 1: Mets stuff too in the past. Like there's so much
Speaker 1: you get. The Mets are low cows for those of
Speaker 1: you who are Internet people, like on time, like you
Speaker 1: laugh at them, they get clicks, they make you money,
Speaker 1: Like making fun of the Mets is a profitable business,
Speaker 1: and they do things to make you laugh at them
Speaker 1: all the time. They can't get out of their own
Speaker 1: fucking way. But the way that the Mendoza firing turned
Speaker 1: into again you said it, pro Carlos Mendoza anti David
Speaker 1: Stearns Anti Mets offseason. It was a twist that I
Speaker 1: actually wasn't ready for. I thought the Mendoza firing was
Speaker 1: gonna be more like it was sad. There was good
Speaker 1: moments that was bad, but it's understandable and that was
Speaker 1: not really the case by almost everybody that covered the team.
Speaker 1: And it's just a lack of nuance in these discussions
Speaker 1: where many things can be true. Now looking back one
Speaker 1: hundred percent, we could say the off season didn't go
Speaker 1: very well. Yes, think so obvious, clear, blatantly clear as
Speaker 1: day right, just smacking the fucking face. But it's the
Speaker 1: things that I think are the opposite of things that
Speaker 1: most people get upset about, because over and over again
Speaker 1: it's talk about pylons and Brandimo, and again, looking back,
Speaker 1: those two transactions.
Speaker 2: Short, they have not gone our way so far this year.
Speaker 2: But I think the biggest issue is the issue that
Speaker 2: we talk about a lot with David Searns. It's the
Speaker 2: constant threading of the needle, which probably is why we
Speaker 2: lost the game on Sunday, where again it's like trying
Speaker 2: to be very fine walk the line and make sure
Speaker 2: you hit both outcomes, which kind of underscores what the
Speaker 2: philosophy was of his last few years. The Mets anyway,
Speaker 2: an organization that needed the top down rebuild, not player wise,
Speaker 2: not roster wise, but organizationally, throwing a bunch of shit
Speaker 2: against the wall kind of just like a Billy Eplert.
Speaker 2: It was Starling Martine and marcannon Edloy the Wescobar. There's
Speaker 2: just a better version of it, and it just didn't
Speaker 2: work out. You don't want to tear it down because
Speaker 2: you have two of the fifteen best players in the
Speaker 2: league on your team, but you need to change a
Speaker 2: lot of shit while you're doing it. That's the issue
Speaker 2: with David Stearns and the issue, and this was what
Speaker 2: Steve Gelips was saying, actually very well before mister gave
Speaker 2: Mister Matt interrupted them, which I want to get to
Speaker 2: there right now, where it probably was a little foolish
Speaker 2: to think you can turn over this much of a
Speaker 2: major league baseball team in one offseason and expect success
Speaker 2: on the other side. But to me, a lot of
Speaker 2: that falls on David Stearns, but some still falls on
Speaker 2: Carlos Mendoza because he was the constant.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was the constant. He was supposed to be
Speaker 1: the leader on the field, the manager of this ball club.
Speaker 1: And we're getting little morsels here and there from different
Speaker 1: soundbites and different things said by players, managers, people in
Speaker 1: the organization and great Will Samon article, a great Will
Speaker 1: Samon arcle. We'll talk about more of that later. But
Speaker 1: like the fact that it again, all the blame is
Speaker 1: on David Stearns. He is very much to blame, our
Speaker 1: blame pie. He had the majority of the blame, like
Speaker 1: there is no doubt about it.
Speaker 2: He is.
Speaker 1: He is the architect of this roster, and the roster
Speaker 1: has issues, the roster has not been good, but the
Speaker 1: guy who is the manager getting off so Scott free.
Speaker 1: It's the opposite of what we've heard when we talk
Speaker 1: to people in baseball about the role of the manager,
Speaker 1: where they're basically making it sound like the manager can't
Speaker 1: do anything. Manager has no impact whatsoever. The Mets won
Speaker 1: thirty six games this year, all because of Carlos Mendoza,
Speaker 1: don't look at the fifty losses.
Speaker 2: And that's something that's going around the media now too,
Speaker 2: and I think that's happened, especially this weekend. We have
Speaker 2: a perfect storm of baseball sports analytics to base between
Speaker 2: Jalen Brown, David Stearns, Peter Bendix, Like for some reason,
Speaker 2: we're all talking about nerds and sports right now, and
Speaker 2: there's this I think there's a misconception and we'll never
Speaker 2: actually know the full truth of it. But now a
Speaker 2: lot of people in the media do this thing with
Speaker 2: David Sterns, Steve Cohen, Carlos Mendoza where the bad line
Speaker 2: of decisions are David Stern's fault, signings of David Stearn's fault,
Speaker 2: the good signing was Steve Cohen, the good the goodness
Speaker 2: of the lineup was Carls Mendoza. Where if you're gonna
Speaker 2: give Steve Cohen credit for one, so though maybe he
Speaker 2: should also get blamed for Bobaschet or David Stearns gets
Speaker 2: credit in the blame for both of those. And we
Speaker 2: heard and we knew this from back in David Sterns'
Speaker 2: time in Milwaukee with Craig Council that he was a
Speaker 2: very hands off executive in terms of day to day
Speaker 2: lineup decisions, tactics, batting, or their substitutions. It was very
Speaker 2: much he's the manager, let him manage, yes, And we're
Speaker 2: not getting that from the media, and Mark and I
Speaker 2: are not reporters, market are not inside this. I've had
Speaker 2: some conversation with some people who are relatively in the know,
Speaker 2: and I got relative confirmation that was the same thing here. Yeah,
Speaker 2: where might have been to Carlsz David Stearns is detriment
Speaker 2: that he was very hands off of Carls Mendoza, who
Speaker 2: I'm sure was managing a little desperate for most of
Speaker 2: this year, who tactically has never been good as the
Speaker 2: Mets manager ever been good. And then that's kind of
Speaker 2: the result you get, which is really weird Wonkee lineups
Speaker 2: and decisions and tactics every single day. While some favoritism
Speaker 2: for Mark Fiantos.
Speaker 1: The way that we we've understood it throughout the Carlos
Speaker 1: Mendoza David Sterns era with the New York Mets is
Speaker 1: that David Sterns dictates who the twenty six men are
Speaker 1: that show up to the field every single day. And
Speaker 1: there is a plan in place that the Mets want, right,
Speaker 1: They want you to play collaboration. Yeah, they're supposed to
Speaker 1: be collaboration. They want certain guys playing in certain matchups.
Speaker 1: We're supposed to use data to make the best informed
Speaker 1: decisions to put guys into situations where they're going to
Speaker 1: be able to succeed. But Carlos Mendoza makes the lineup.
Speaker 1: And again, I think anybody who thinks that David Sterns
Speaker 1: is down on the field sending memos to Carlos Mendez
Speaker 1: about what this is the lineup is because of analytics,
Speaker 1: that's simply not what any of the stats would ever
Speaker 1: tell you. And that's what we've been trying to tell
Speaker 1: people for the longest time. Who put the lineup blame
Speaker 1: on David Sterns ring. But the thing is is he
Speaker 1: is a smart man when it comes to data numbers.
Speaker 1: There's no doubt about that. He's unequivocally smart.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 1: He might not make right decisions with personnel, player fits,
Speaker 1: whatever it is to New York City, but in terms
Speaker 1: of numbers and stats, it is very black and white.
Speaker 1: That's what's great about numbers, and that's what's great about stats.
Speaker 1: There's a right and or wrong. A lot of the
Speaker 1: decision making was wrong. Why would the guy who's using
Speaker 1: the numbers go against the numbers in the lineup?
Speaker 2: And that's also where I think David Stearns. We know
Speaker 2: for sure right now has lacked most when his ability
Speaker 2: as a decision maker is the things that are not that.
Speaker 2: So it's understanding chemistry, player culture, things like that, because
Speaker 2: look at the trade deadline last year, every single player
Speaker 2: we got not fit to be in New York bringing
Speaker 2: all these new faces and people this year. Even the
Speaker 2: understanding of I'm gonna get rid of all most of
Speaker 2: my leaders and also all of the assistant coaches and
Speaker 2: leave the manager in the middle of it.
Speaker 1: Bad situation. That's an that was wrong, non human decision
Speaker 1: by David Stearns right there.
Speaker 2: But then you kind of hope that the manager is
Speaker 2: the guy that is good. That everything we heard about
Speaker 2: Carlson doze, he was good at that baseball man, really
Speaker 2: understood people like that was something. Yeah. That and again
Speaker 2: Carls mcdoze at that I think was very good. And
Speaker 2: it is sad to lose a guy like that from
Speaker 2: your organization. But the flip side of that they continue
Speaker 2: to come back to is that tactically he was not
Speaker 2: no and that was something that costs this Mets team
Speaker 2: lots of games this season and and last season and
Speaker 2: last season season before as well. It was hard to
Speaker 2: it was very hard to justify after everything that's happened
Speaker 2: for him to keep that job.
Speaker 1: I also, like, I keep going back to the thing like, oh,
Speaker 1: David Sterns should step down, he should be fired. He's
Speaker 1: not going to fire himself. He's the president of this team.
Speaker 1: The first person that's going to go is going to
Speaker 1: be the manager that was also a lame duck manager
Speaker 1: coming into the season. Like, yes, by merit, David Stearns
Speaker 1: has not done a good job, and by merit, he
Speaker 1: deserves to be fired based on the performances over the
Speaker 1: last two seasons for the New York Mets, There's no
Speaker 1: doubt about the win losses are horrible. Why is that
Speaker 1: not also Carlos Mendez? Why is Carlos Mendoza absolved from
Speaker 1: all the fucked up shit that's been going on in
Speaker 1: the Mets world, especially when you hear about how the
Speaker 1: lines are bad and the chemistry was bad. Where was
Speaker 1: the leadership? It seemed like Carlos Mendoza, for as nice
Speaker 1: as a guy, he was, as great as a baseball
Speaker 1: guy was.
Speaker 2: He was not a leader. And that was even obviously
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: But we had the blindfolds on because we had Jose Glacias,
Speaker 1: we had Grimas, we had Jadie Martinez. Shit didn't turn
Speaker 1: around until actual other leaders came into the clubhouse.
Speaker 2: And maybe it's not that he wasn't the leaders. I'm
Speaker 2: sure Carlos Mendoza can lead men.
Speaker 1: But maybe it's worth the right type of leader that
Speaker 1: this team possibly needed for all the turnover that happened
Speaker 1: with this team, for the way that the chemistry was
Speaker 1: disrupted with the one solo signing, it just didn't seem
Speaker 1: like he was able to steer the boat well. And
Speaker 1: that's why it seemed like this move could have happened
Speaker 1: much earlier in the season. Wish it did.
Speaker 2: But then we also got the line from the first
Speaker 2: of two Great Will Salmon articles, and it's something that
Speaker 2: we've talked about in this podcast that we've bought the
Speaker 2: heads about, and I have the quote right here. I'm
Speaker 2: going to read it because I put it on Twitter.
Speaker 2: Those who know owner Steve Cohen well say that he's
Speaker 2: operating with his sensitivity about not coming across as as impulsive.
Speaker 2: The Mets want to attract quality people. At different points
Speaker 2: over the last twelve months, they got caught between needing
Speaker 2: to make some kind of change and wanting to keep
Speaker 2: their guy losing the way the Mets have lost a
Speaker 2: continuous stretch force his action. That's the thing. There's an
Speaker 2: optics issue with the Mets right now. And again, I
Speaker 2: think around the league, the Mets are viewed as a
Speaker 2: team that you don't really want to work for. It's
Speaker 2: it's obviously chaotic, is potentially toxic. There's a shit ton
Speaker 2: of pressure on you. And in terms of managers and
Speaker 2: executives over the years, like we continue to rotate through them.
Speaker 2: Like we were having the conversation was that the wedding
Speaker 2: was with my family today where in our lives the
Speaker 2: Yankees have are three managers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, Mets have had like eleven twelve. Met's
Speaker 1: have had three in the twenty twenties.
Speaker 2: It depends if you count calls calls Beltron as well.
Speaker 2: That number can change. But like it.
Speaker 1: The whole thing is, Mets have had three managers since
Speaker 1: we worked for the New York Mets.
Speaker 2: And three lead executives. Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, I'll take
Speaker 2: it back too. Well, m Mess, you're on there. Billy
Speaker 2: Applick got fired, We don't. I mean, I'm excited for
Speaker 2: Eric Shavistill tell us a little bit about that more tomorrow.
Speaker 2: We said it was an inside job, yeah, when we
Speaker 2: do a live rewatch of the EC three podcast. But
Speaker 2: this is o kayic organization.
Speaker 1: But the fact that they're openly worried about optics that
Speaker 1: defeats the purpose of worrying about Latin not being impulsive
Speaker 1: because they know you're only doing it to satisfy people
Speaker 1: out there. This is not an algorithm that people are
Speaker 1: using to decide if you're impulsive. It's a gut field
Speaker 1: thing and obviously you're trying not to be impulsive. You're
Speaker 1: rude your season, people will still think you're impulsive.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, like, and I think that's where like you were
Speaker 1: totally right that the Mets were thinking that way.
Speaker 2: That's my point the whole time.
Speaker 1: I also think that that's a dumb way for them
Speaker 1: to think, because then you'd have this Carlos Mendoz situation
Speaker 1: where he was unfit to be the manager a month
Speaker 1: and a half into the season, maybe a month when
Speaker 1: you lose twelve straight games with the roster that the
Speaker 1: Mets had, it's pretty unacceptable like that. That's not a
Speaker 1: losing streak. That's like the team is depressed and something's wrong.
Speaker 2: And the day that losing streak broke, you have the
Speaker 2: quote from Mark Fientos defying one of your coaches he's
Speaker 2: a coach on your staff. He said, why did you
Speaker 2: ignore that? Guy stops on and get thrown out by
Speaker 2: not twelve feet at the plate. I was following my instincts.
Speaker 2: Once I saw the ball set off the wall. I
Speaker 2: was like, I'm going to score on that. How can
Speaker 2: you not hold a player like that accountable in some way?
Speaker 2: Or maybe you not having the coaches back?
Speaker 1: And that's even more tox How about when he made
Speaker 1: two just as simple as performance, right, Mark Fiantos is bad.
Speaker 1: We know that not a good baseball player. He made
Speaker 1: two errors in that game. He starts the next day.
Speaker 1: How can yeah, when's it does? How does this stuff happen?
Speaker 1: How does it continue? Like there was if there was
Speaker 1: a lot of things I'd say about Carls Mendoza, but
Speaker 1: there was a complacency with mediocrity under Carlos Mendoza. That
Speaker 1: doesn't happen a lot with other managers. And the fact
Speaker 1: that again mar Fienze's whoever it was. If it was
Speaker 1: Juan Soto openly defying a coach and saying to the
Speaker 1: media like he did, Nope, I know better. That's a
Speaker 1: really bad look.
Speaker 2: And it came from one of your worst players who
Speaker 2: sucks and the other Will Samon's story really echoed this. Yes,
Speaker 2: it was again amazing. It was free on the athlete.
Speaker 1: Shout out Will. By the way, all his reporting reporting
Speaker 1: he was doing reporting, not giving his opinion, not telling
Speaker 1: you why he thinks Carlos Mendoza was wrongfully fired. Reporting.
Speaker 1: That's what these guys need to get back to. Because
Speaker 1: John Hayman and Joel Sherman and Mike Puma their opinions.
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck what they think about baseball.
Speaker 2: No, but Sam basically said that he gave players anonymity
Speaker 2: in exchange for candor in this piece, and it was
Speaker 2: questions about leadership, was questions about feelings changing, complacency. He asked,
Speaker 2: the player, is the Mets clubhouse the leadership lacking. The
Speaker 2: ensuing pause ticked away until after about fifteen seconds it
Speaker 2: was clear that the silence spoke for itself. And then
Speaker 2: the other line from this that there had been some
Speaker 2: talks among small groups early wait. After losing both games
Speaker 2: with double heather on Wednesday, with the brutal season's worst performance,
Speaker 2: not one player in the Mets clubhouse saw fit to
Speaker 2: call a team meeting. There had been some talks among
Speaker 2: small groups earlier in the week and continued reflection before
Speaker 2: Thursday's game, multiple players said, but nothing stood out as
Speaker 2: particularly memorables. One player put it, yeah, not much, so
Speaker 2: what happened next was no surprise. We went out and
Speaker 2: did the same thing the next day.
Speaker 1: It's just it's insane. And then we hear about too,
Speaker 1: like it seems like these players were playing with the
Speaker 1: pressure of Carlos Mendoza's job on their shoulders.
Speaker 2: Which feels they still love the guy.
Speaker 1: Of course, no, they're allowed to like the guy. But
Speaker 1: I think even as the manager, like having a manager there,
Speaker 1: that the players are feeling such amount of pressure that
Speaker 1: his job relies on their shoulders. That feels like not
Speaker 1: the best environment to play baseball in either, which is
Speaker 1: so insane, Like how is there not again a steadying force?
Speaker 1: We know that the player leadership in this locker room
Speaker 1: is super super bizarre at times, and we know that
Speaker 1: even in twenty twenty four, Francisco Lindor, he's awesome, He's
Speaker 1: a leader by how he plays on the field. Wan
Speaker 1: Soto seems to be a leader how he plays on
Speaker 1: the field. Loves the young guys. But like there is
Speaker 1: no real veteran, and it was a team of mercenary.
Speaker 1: Something that we said could have gone really really well
Speaker 1: or really really poorly. It did really poorly. It's hard
Speaker 1: to have leadership, and the one guy that has been
Speaker 1: steady there, that's supposed to be the leader every single
Speaker 1: day seemingly didn't do anything to take pressure off of players.
Speaker 2: And you still have the weird thing that happened last
Speaker 2: year when it looked like one hundred percent Francisco Lindor
Speaker 2: was going to be named the captain and David Wright weekend,
Speaker 2: right after the All Star break, when the Mets season
Speaker 2: last year really fell apart, a video was produced with
Speaker 2: David Wright. It had some Keith and Nandez and some
Speaker 2: Gary Carter in there, and there's a transition to Francisco
Speaker 2: Lindor's erotion twenty four and all of a sudden it
Speaker 2: didn't happen. You had the rumors squeak out Adam, out
Speaker 2: of Vino, some other good reporting about Brandon Nimo's uncomfortable
Speaker 2: uncomfortability with the situation, and then it never happened. And
Speaker 2: then Steve Cohen makes a public statement there.
Speaker 1: Will never be a captain while he's the owner that's
Speaker 1: weird too, Like one got hard again.
Speaker 2: It's very easy to poke a lot of holes. And
Speaker 2: Francisco Lindoora's tenure with the Mets off the field, on
Speaker 2: the field, can't pook a hole, not for sure. There's
Speaker 2: some things to look at that, I'm sure. Again, one day,
Speaker 2: when these books come out, these articles come out, we're
Speaker 2: gonna get a lot more. But to publicly cut the
Speaker 2: dude's balls off, Yeah, it was bizarre. That was really weird,
Speaker 2: and it seemed like the weirdness kind of destroyed that team.
Speaker 2: And then now the other guys who were considered leaders
Speaker 2: are not on the team anymore. In Brandon Nimo and
Speaker 2: pe Alonzo and those conversations happen every single day.
Speaker 1: Francisco lindor is the most tenured Mets player now, which
Speaker 1: is an insane Yeah, he is by a good bit. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then like Brett Baty second, Oh my god, is
Speaker 1: Brett Baidy the next Francisco Alvarez. It's him and Alpharez? Right,
Speaker 1: But he came up first?
Speaker 2: Yeah, baby did come up first.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's crazy, horrible shit, that's really bad.
Speaker 2: Could that be true?
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about it because he came up twenty twenty
Speaker 1: two would have been baity when he made his debut
Speaker 1: because that he hit the homer against Atlanta and then
Speaker 1: didn't Alvarez come up like a day later or a
Speaker 1: week later when back in Alvarez Alvarez came up with
Speaker 1: the last weekend series of the year against the Braves.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, that was his debut. Yes, yes, that's.
Speaker 1: Because he was he was there to save the day
Speaker 1: when we were watching the watch party.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is really bad to think about. But again,
Speaker 2: like all this weird stuff happening, it's an organization continuously
Speaker 2: trapped in knock getting abas on way, turmoil, toxic, all
Speaker 2: of these things are true, and it's really spilling out
Speaker 2: onto the field.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's totally noticeable. I mean we even saw
Speaker 1: it with like how weird bo But shit was early in.
Speaker 2: The season, like these guys, what am I doing here?
Speaker 1: These guys are taking these things like almost too seriously.
Speaker 1: It seems like that time, and it's not the on
Speaker 1: the field stuff. It seems like it seems like all
Speaker 1: the consequences from there on the field actions now plays
Speaker 1: into the off the field and then it comes back
Speaker 1: onto the field because they're just they're so way down
Speaker 1: by everything.
Speaker 2: Tell the people about the aj Minter comments that you
Speaker 2: found really meaningful. You told me hereight before we started.
Speaker 1: Yes, so one of the aggregators on twit. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm gonn shout Themut I don't care. That's Baflip tweeted
Speaker 1: out Andy Green. AJ Mintor comments about after the game.
Speaker 1: Aj Minter said, Green's speech resonated with the clubhouse after
Speaker 1: he got to talk to them. I think he did
Speaker 1: a really good job. His job here is to take
Speaker 1: pressure off of us and let us go out there
Speaker 1: and just play free, because given the situation, it can
Speaker 1: be stressful here and us players take a lot of
Speaker 1: responsibility as to why Mendy was let go. His message was,
Speaker 1: my job is to take that responsibility and pressure off
Speaker 1: you guys and just let you go out there and
Speaker 1: play the way we're capable of. Mintor added the players
Speaker 1: were energized by the speech despite the loss, something that
Speaker 1: got us fired up. That night he was talking about
Speaker 1: the speech, a lot of guys were like, Wow, that
Speaker 1: was actually pretty good. We're excited to go and play
Speaker 1: and excited again tonight. That tells me a lot about
Speaker 1: what was going on. Prior to it either. I'm sure
Speaker 1: Carlsman Dooza felt like he was a dead man walking
Speaker 1: because he was all the time. So like, imagine knowing
Speaker 1: that basically your job is hanging on by a thread, right,
Speaker 1: and again, bad job by David Surtain's here losing the
Speaker 1: human aspect, which is something that I think consistently he's
Speaker 1: not doing a great job of as the human element
Speaker 1: of things. But Mendoza was not getting these guys ready
Speaker 1: to play. The interim manager comes in and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, though, feels like a weight was lifted off
Speaker 1: our shoulders. That's what Minter said. It felt like a
Speaker 1: lot of weight was off of our shoulders. After Green speech,
Speaker 1: that's crazy, your manager just got fired. A new guy's
Speaker 1: coming in that seasons like shit. He says one thing,
Speaker 1: You're like, let's go play. And then they played well.
Speaker 2: And maybe there is some kind of beautiful humility in
Speaker 2: Andy Green coming in and being like, yeah, might be
Speaker 2: a manager in the future. A couple months the Moonlight,
Speaker 2: I'm going right back to my role. I love my job,
Speaker 2: Like there's something cool and honest about that that does
Speaker 2: probably take pressure off. Also, the pressure being off of
Speaker 2: like you guys suck and I make the players anyway
Speaker 2: I might asposed to play some ball. I love the Andy
Speaker 2: Green press conference on Friday. I thought he did a
Speaker 2: great job in conveying how much one again, he loves
Speaker 2: his role, how much he this or he cares about
Speaker 2: his organization, and how much he loves the game of baseball.
Speaker 2: He gave a comment about in his role as farm
Speaker 2: director VP of Players Development, whatever it is trying to
Speaker 2: watch four games a night and then also keep an
Speaker 2: eye on the major league team. He's like, you feel
Speaker 2: like you're just going insane sometimes Quis He's like, I
Speaker 2: did miss the ability to get lost in an in
Speaker 2: a nine inning game, and I was like, that guy
Speaker 2: loves baseball. That's really cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he loves ball. Have you seen the Do you
Speaker 1: see the clip when he was the manager of the
Speaker 1: Padres and Will Myers was talking about how it's like
Speaker 1: September and he's making him do outfield drills and yeah, again,
Speaker 1: look where Will Myers has gone now after Also, look
Speaker 1: at that Padres team that year. I think they won
Speaker 1: sixty four games, So like, yeah, this team needs to
Speaker 1: work on things.
Speaker 2: God forbid, or my manager makes me do baseball work. Yeah,
Speaker 2: oh god, but it does seem like this was a
Speaker 2: good point by your dad from the start. Is like
Speaker 2: he seems like the next logical solution because we knew
Speaker 2: Crosson Does was going to get fired. Yes three, yeah,
Speaker 2: basically before not before the season began. Once we got
Speaker 2: to the middle of it, once a losing streak hit seven,
Speaker 2: it's like he can't make it. He's not going to
Speaker 2: make it through this season. And Andy Green won prime
Speaker 2: manager experience. Nice to have that again. It seems like
Speaker 2: this whole coaching staff is still not really jelled, not
Speaker 2: really coalesce in a way that's actually beneficial to winning
Speaker 2: baseball games. Two kind of a hard ass. This team
Speaker 2: definitely needs a bit of a hard ass.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit of kick in the ass because
Speaker 1: I mean there's there's a lot of big names here.
Speaker 1: There's also a lot of young players. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of moving parts. There's a lot of egos on this team,
Speaker 1: whether you guys want to hear that or not.
Speaker 2: Like all clubhouses, all teams, athletes.
Speaker 1: Yes, you have to have an ego to beg professional
Speaker 1: baseball player. Yeah, I mean some guys shouldn't, but they
Speaker 1: all do. And from here anything else you want to
Speaker 1: say about Greens. I feel like we still need to
Speaker 1: do five ten minutes on that clip with Steve Kelps. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, we'll talk about that in a second. With
Speaker 1: Green stuff, I mean, I like the way that he's
Speaker 1: already managed the games. He's very proactive. It seems like
Speaker 1: he's ready to go. He's playing this the positions, he's
Speaker 1: playing the situations.
Speaker 2: Oh hmm.
Speaker 1: The Jared Young lineup comment from Andy Green to give
Speaker 1: you even more insight to the fact that the manager
Speaker 1: is making this Lineup's like, oh, Jared Young has proven
Speaker 1: that he deserves a lion's share of playing time. He
Speaker 1: is going to play as much as he possibly can.
Speaker 2: You're muted, bout mute the touchbacks. The flip side of
Speaker 2: that is that now Mark Fantos is getting the third
Speaker 2: based reps, which again that sucks, but like that part
Speaker 2: is really annoying to me. That was a little moment though,
Speaker 2: pushing out and then a lot of media members push
Speaker 2: back on that, being like, why are people taking this
Speaker 2: clip out of context? Like we know that there's a
Speaker 2: collaborative and that David Searn's had a big feel on that.
Speaker 2: What I think now, Andy Green is is he's going
Speaker 2: to put more of the front office spin on these lineups, Yes,
Speaker 2: because he is technically still a member of the front office. Yes,
Speaker 2: and that's what this is. And again, you don't have
Speaker 2: to watch a lot of baseballs and the Mark Fantos
Speaker 2: shouldn't be playing baseball every single day. Definitely not. But
Speaker 2: that's kind of where that team where the lineup ended
Speaker 2: up on Sunday, which is funny. I kind of made
Speaker 2: that clip lose a little bit of pungent that he
Speaker 2: played third bases. Yeah, you know he's not playing first base.
Speaker 1: Here is a third I also think that at the
Speaker 1: same time, like just the idea that Andy Green mentioned
Speaker 1: lineup construction very early on in his press conference, I
Speaker 1: think tells you everything that you need to know about
Speaker 1: who is making decisions.
Speaker 2: Definitely, And I would not be able to sleep at
Speaker 2: night if I was Carlos Mendoz and I knew it
Speaker 2: deep in my heart. One of the reasons I may
Speaker 2: have lost my job was because I was defending Mark
Speaker 2: Fianto's too hard. That would crush That would crush me.
Speaker 2: If Mark Fianto's cost me my job, that.
Speaker 1: Would be a tough pill to swallow. Bru the one
Speaker 1: other small green things.
Speaker 2: I mean, let's let's even I still think there's even
Speaker 2: more stuff in the Stearns press conference talk about. But this,
Speaker 2: this mister Metz Steve Gelps thing was it was that
Speaker 2: took over the internet for a while.
Speaker 1: That's one of my favorite clips I've ever seen in
Speaker 1: my entire life. Like I was telling you before this,
Speaker 1: it's up there with like the house that's burning down
Speaker 1: and there's the crazy guy on his swing in his
Speaker 1: front lawn when they like zoom out like this isn't
Speaker 1: This is an all time Internet clip. It doesn't matter
Speaker 1: if you like sports, if you like baseball, if you
Speaker 1: have any idea who the Mets are. You could be
Speaker 1: a Norwegian guy watching this clip and you're like, that
Speaker 1: is objectively fucking hilarious.
Speaker 2: It's just so Mets. Yes, this is the Mets right here.
Speaker 2: If you want to learn about the Mets organization in
Speaker 2: ten seconds, everything about the Mets organization, you can get
Speaker 2: sixty five years of folly right here. Yes, it's mister
Speaker 2: met wearing LGBT rainbow arm bands, dancing behind Steve Gelips
Speaker 2: who trying to give a really solemn soliloquy about how
Speaker 2: great of a guy Carlos Mendez was and how his
Speaker 2: firing was in his fault, the situation around it, and
Speaker 2: mister Met actively fucking with Steve Gelves during it, trying
Speaker 2: to get him to know this and make him crack.
Speaker 2: Credit to Steve for not cracking on that.
Speaker 1: He gave one look back and was kind of like
Speaker 1: a fuck.
Speaker 2: And Steve usually is the guy that does add a
Speaker 2: lot of levity to Mets media, like all the hot
Speaker 2: dog stuff going being a fun field reporter. This was
Speaker 2: his chance to be serious and mister Met doing this
Speaker 2: and this clip now being the lasting image this everyone,
Speaker 2: so many people in the sports world saw Steve Gelb's
Speaker 2: face I think for the first time no moonface, and
Speaker 2: like this between all the accounts and the aggregators has
Speaker 2: got almost seven million impressions. I like tweeted it late
Speaker 2: and it went absolutely nuclear, like it was just It
Speaker 2: is undoubtedly a clip that you will never forget, and
Speaker 2: of course the Mets are plastered all over this one.
Speaker 2: I also think like some of the comments about what
Speaker 2: mister Met was doing and everything like completely dumb and
Speaker 2: like shout ascot, Yeah.
Speaker 1: He's the mascot. Shout out the sauce boss John Hayman
Speaker 1: all time idiot. He quote tweeted it and said, mister
Speaker 1: Met didn't quite grasp the serious of the seriousness of
Speaker 1: the situation. Mister Met, despite the name, is actually childlike.
Speaker 1: This is coming from someone who doesn't understand that he
Speaker 1: can take a screenshot of what's on his screen. His
Speaker 1: profile picture is him taking a picture of his computer
Speaker 1: screen of his face because he's an idiot, he's a moron.
Speaker 1: So like, yeah, mister Met is going to be a
Speaker 1: childlike he is a mascot for children. John Haymen, did
Speaker 1: you just think he's there to entertain you? I know
Speaker 1: you have a very small brain and it's very simple
Speaker 1: to keep you focused. But my god, this.
Speaker 2: Is the same mascot who once gave a fan the
Speaker 2: middle finger right to him. But like, this is it's
Speaker 2: so funny. I really I wonder if the person in
Speaker 2: the suit, if they got reams reprimanded, lost their job.
Speaker 1: I mean, a little peak behind the curtain, mov. We
Speaker 1: worked there. There's like seven or eight different people that
Speaker 1: are mester Met throughout the year. It's like rotating. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of different people that get into that costume.
Speaker 1: People have other jobs, like it's not like you're just
Speaker 1: mister Met for your entirety of your life whatever. How Also,
Speaker 1: you can't really hearing that thing. How in the world
Speaker 1: is he supposed to know that Steve Gelbs is doing
Speaker 1: this uber serious thing when the history of Steve Gelbs
Speaker 1: is to be the light guy. Like you mentioned, Yes,
Speaker 1: have levity, but there's nothing that encapsulates the message of
Speaker 1: franchise more. No, you're trying to be serious, You're trying
Speaker 1: to be solemn for a second, and gay mister Met
Speaker 1: just won't stop dancing behind you, Like I can't even believe.
Speaker 1: Like if there's if we ever have to give a
Speaker 1: time capsule for Earth, and they were like, we want
Speaker 1: every single sports scene to be documents.
Speaker 2: It had to fifteen seconds. This is what it should be.
Speaker 2: The Mets fire their manager in a horrific season and
Speaker 2: mister Met just can't stop Like it's.
Speaker 1: Mister Met in the electric slide behind Steve Geldolps. It's
Speaker 1: a whole thing, and this is who the Mets are.
Speaker 1: We have to come to terms with that fucking joke.
Speaker 2: They're low cows. I said, We're legitimately a ridiculously run franchise.
Speaker 2: All the changes that have been made. You haven't fixed anything.
Speaker 2: This team absolutely exists for the purpose of pain and humiliation.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: It's a humiliation, k That's the whole reason that we're here.
Speaker 1: And this is just another example. And there's going there's
Speaker 1: There's been so many in the past, there are going
Speaker 1: to be so many more in the future. Remember when
Speaker 1: the Mets did immemorium to multiple Mets players that were
Speaker 1: not dead. Remember when the Mets flashed, they flashed out
Speaker 1: what's it called head shots of guys from the night
Speaker 1: the first ever the nineteen sixty two Mets team weren't
Speaker 1: actually a team.
Speaker 2: That meant they mistook guys head shots.
Speaker 1: How about uh, Mike Piazza having a press conference to
Speaker 1: say he's not gay, like mister Met flipping off fans himself,
Speaker 1: the Mets fans and players getting into a fight over
Speaker 1: getting thumbs down, like this whole we just do things
Speaker 1: that other not even just baseball teams. One of those
Speaker 1: guys who is the lead candidate to possibly be a
Speaker 1: manager next year in Carlos Beltron, by the by, the
Speaker 1: fans was hired and fired with him like a week
Speaker 1: because he was a huge part of the Actros scandal.
Speaker 2: And it came out they would even hold him through that.
Speaker 2: It's just the whole thing. We are complete farce, a
Speaker 2: complete and other joke. Yeah, and I did think that
Speaker 2: it was going to be different by this time, and
Speaker 2: it's not even close to being different. And again it's
Speaker 2: not I won't blame Steve Cohen for this because all
Speaker 2: you can do is own is like, spend a bunch
Speaker 2: of money, try to hire the people in the right place.
Speaker 2: He got back on Towyter this week. Yeah, he got
Speaker 2: an anti semitic comment made at him really quickly.
Speaker 1: And crazy how people will just go right there anti Semitic, racist,
Speaker 1: anything like. So it's all really bad and shouldn't be
Speaker 1: doing that kind of stuff. Crazy people still doing this
Speaker 1: age and it's just something like I don't know the
Speaker 1: continued bring back to pe Alonzo. It's like, if you're
Speaker 1: under the age of sixteen years old, I think you
Speaker 1: could be really sad talk about the plans' decisions as
Speaker 1: much as you want. If you're not, you probably have
Speaker 1: to move past this and figure something else talk about.
Speaker 1: I wish he was on the Mets totally. I think
Speaker 1: we all do. I wish ped Alonso got to be
Speaker 1: a lifetime Met He's not. Guess what if he was,
Speaker 1: the Mets would be thirty eight and forty five instead
Speaker 1: of thirty five and forty nine. Whatever it is like
Speaker 1: this team is again, there's a reason we have like
Speaker 1: stats like war we kind of can understand how many
Speaker 1: wins the guy is going to add to a roster.
Speaker 1: I don't think Pete A. Lonso is gonna make this
Speaker 1: team a playoff team right now. No, they weren't a
Speaker 1: playoff team last year with them.
Speaker 2: No, they weren't. In his whole career, they made the
Speaker 2: playoffs twice.
Speaker 1: That's the other revision revision of shit history too. That's
Speaker 1: driving me insane talking about like again, Certains made all
Speaker 1: these moves and coming off of a trade deadline where
Speaker 1: he brought in all these players that were supposed to
Speaker 1: be impact guys, said, I misunderstood the kind of player
Speaker 1: that needs to come into New York. The fit wasn't great.
Speaker 1: He then did go out this offseae and said, let
Speaker 1: me see if all these other new guys would be
Speaker 1: good fits. They haven't been good fits, but.
Speaker 2: I think all those guys on paper should have been
Speaker 2: better personality fits. Boba Shad always seem like he could
Speaker 2: handled it. Freddy Prowl to seen like a Shabel handle
Speaker 2: it if Hory planco Ever stepped on the field, which
Speaker 2: he re began rehab assignment, seemed like he has the
Speaker 2: demeanor to handle something like New York.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, oh man, where was I
Speaker 1: going with this? Oh man, oh you lost it? No,
Speaker 1: I got it, like talking about we know what that
Speaker 1: team did last year?
Speaker 3: Suck like it was.
Speaker 1: They missed the playoffs too, So it's not like there
Speaker 1: was this like remember when the Dodgers were going to
Speaker 1: the playoffs every single year and then they said, you
Speaker 1: know what, chop it down, start new, get all new
Speaker 1: guys in. I could understand if they started slow and
Speaker 1: an organized and people were like, how do we get
Speaker 1: rid of these guys? Said, no success with these people.
Speaker 1: Our best thing was losing in what five six games
Speaker 1: to the Dodgers in the NFCS.
Speaker 2: This wasn't like when you broke up the nineteen seventies
Speaker 2: A's when they had when they ran out of money
Speaker 2: and you have Catfish Hunter and you have Reggie Jackson
Speaker 2: spread out all over the league. Suddenly they were trying
Speaker 2: to sell I think it was a fi the Blue.
Speaker 2: They were trying to sell players for cash and league
Speaker 2: had to step in and stop them. Even what happened Mets.
Speaker 1: When they got rid of Doc and Daryl, Like, it's
Speaker 1: not like that, rolly fingers, like these guys get just
Speaker 1: spurned around the league again with multiple World Series rings.
Speaker 2: Very different situation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like part of the whole I think nexus of
Speaker 1: getting rid of everybody was trying to turn a new
Speaker 1: page and get a new thing going here. It's been
Speaker 1: an absolute disaster. But I don't think that those guys
Speaker 1: being honest team make the team that much better. Maybe
Speaker 1: we're almost closer to five hundred and again. Maybe the
Speaker 1: real issue was trying to change too much too fast.
Speaker 1: I think that is now we know for sure that
Speaker 1: Steve Gelp was trying to say when mister Mett it
Speaker 1: gave mister interrupted him, but he just start dancing around.
Speaker 2: It's it was a kind of thing where you like,
Speaker 2: I want to reset everything, I want to let these
Speaker 2: guys chante, but it just change too much. And the
Speaker 2: problem with the reset is it wasn't really reset because
Speaker 2: Carlson Doze was still right in the middle.
Speaker 1: Cars Mendoza was right in the middle and we got
Speaker 1: rid of the good guys who were still a part
Speaker 1: of the old We kept all the bad ones. Because
Speaker 1: I think the other major oversight was probably how good
Speaker 1: of a player Brett Baity was going to be this year.
Speaker 1: The impact that Martha by us, you hand up by us.
Speaker 1: I didn't after last year. I didn't see him having
Speaker 1: a sub six hundred oh ps in July. I didn't
Speaker 1: on the worst players in base I didn't think that
Speaker 1: was possible. I don't think that like as bad as
Speaker 1: and as much as I didn't like Mark Vienos, didn't
Speaker 1: think he was gonna be this. I didn't think it
Speaker 1: was gonna be useless. I thought that there was gonna
Speaker 1: at least be a slight role for him to do something.
Speaker 1: A lot of the young guys that were supposed to
Speaker 1: fill in the cracks have been about as bad.
Speaker 2: As you could be, and that's the problem. Iither clip
Speaker 2: taken a bit out of context last week talking about this,
Speaker 2: not that the Mets don't develop homegrown players, because the
Speaker 2: last generation we had a bunch. Now this new phase
Speaker 2: looks like Gretna have two studs and Carson began a
Speaker 2: j ewing. But the phase in the middle and end
Speaker 2: prospect ranking in this order versus Squalverus, who has consensus
Speaker 2: top ten prospect in the game. Still to me looks
Speaker 2: like he's going to cash relatively on what that potential
Speaker 2: was going to be, which I think for Cisquealivers still
Speaker 2: profiles of two to three win catcher who still has
Speaker 2: the potential for more carry Sanchez. Yeah, what we said
Speaker 2: that Brett Beatty, who was around the top thirty ish prospect,
Speaker 2: top twenty five prospect, not filling in he should have been,
Speaker 2: never became a first division regular, and then way down
Speaker 2: the list, way far away, Mark Fantos, running Risio Marisio
Speaker 2: flashed on top one hundred lists, especially around twenty one
Speaker 2: to twenty two, big tools, good h level at double A,
Speaker 2: never filled, never improved on things he had to improve upon,
Speaker 2: and got a really bad injury. And Mark Fantos, who
Speaker 2: was never a prospect but had a massive season. The
Speaker 2: fact that that quadrant of players right there has given
Speaker 2: us very little so far this season. That's the biggest issue,
Speaker 2: not feeling in the cracks. David David Stern's trying to
Speaker 2: thread the needle with a bunch of injury prone mercenaries.
Speaker 2: And not having the backfill to actually make this team
Speaker 2: sustainably good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the fact that mons to Bobashet and Francisco
Speaker 1: the door. I think I now played ten games together.
Speaker 1: I think eleven eleven eleven guys a Saturday got it
Speaker 1: all right? That was number eleven on Saturday, So.
Speaker 2: I'mody maybe that one was number ten. It's a perfect
Speaker 2: storm of disaster for the Mets. Yeah. There's also another
Speaker 2: comment that Will Salmon article about someone being like, why
Speaker 2: do we trade David Peterson's like we want pictures growing
Speaker 2: on trees? And David Peaston had a good first start
Speaker 2: with the Cubs. It will probably be okay with the Cubs.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be fine.
Speaker 2: Was kind of frustrating the way the media took the
Speaker 2: first pitcher through the Cub being a home run, and
Speaker 2: a lot of people conveniently forgetting that he wind up
Speaker 2: having a really good start after that.
Speaker 1: H of course, but I also good for him.
Speaker 2: I don't fucking care he.
Speaker 1: Was gonna be here next year. I don't give a shit.
Speaker 1: So happy from me he's out of this ship. Imagine
Speaker 1: we get podcasts traded? God that do who do we
Speaker 1: want to be the podcast? Probably just the Dodgers, right,
Speaker 1: they get crazy because we know that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the lame. We don't want that yet, I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: I think it gonna make us the most money.
Speaker 2: That probably the Mets. All Right, we're good, we're good,
Speaker 2: we're back. We're saying no trade.
Speaker 1: I will not request to trade the deny and we're
Speaker 1: doing the opposite of Brandon demo. I'm staying with the Mets.
Speaker 1: That was like that little kid who apparently went viral.
Speaker 1: What the post was that he was.
Speaker 2: Like, I don't want to be a Mets fan. I
Speaker 2: want to be Yankees fan. And someone had a great
Speaker 2: quotes who him so good? Suck it up, Champ, start
Speaker 2: drinking with the rest of Ok, here's this number one, JD.
Speaker 2: Davis hate account love How long that's he stood? Guess what,
Speaker 2: little dickhead, what's your end? You can't get out, sack
Speaker 2: up and start drinking like the rest of us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta be tougher than that kid.
Speaker 2: That's real. That's the whole thing. That's what this team needs,
Speaker 2: and that's what we're gonna do. Ah, it's so bad
Speaker 2: anything else, I mean some of the moments from that
Speaker 2: David starts press conference made me a little bit upset
Speaker 2: about where our beats emotions let them get to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the did you consider stepping down like
Speaker 1: I I think that making things personal like that, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna I hope the people who know that they're
Speaker 1: good reporters that we have relationships. No, we're not talking
Speaker 1: about them when we say this, but the Mets beat
Speaker 1: is a fucking joke.
Speaker 2: Here's just a lot of people. There's a lot of
Speaker 2: competition for clicks. I think even us people like Worthy
Speaker 2: diving in on people's clicks too, makes it a lot
Speaker 2: more competitive. Everyone is trying to make a living doing
Speaker 2: what they love and again must respect everybody out there.
Speaker 2: Print media is a very difficult medium to continue to
Speaker 2: stay profitable. In understand all of that, I thought d
Speaker 2: she had a good question. I thought Ivan Mistraco did great.
Speaker 2: Will Salmon was good.
Speaker 1: I thought he's catching a lot of shit right now
Speaker 1: she's if she was iffy. Yeah, I mean, I think
Speaker 1: Abby asked a good question. I just think people were
Speaker 1: giving her ship because of how she asked it, and
Speaker 1: David Strans kind of got snap back to her a
Speaker 1: little bit.
Speaker 2: I think Abby's a good report than she's she's again
Speaker 2: getting better every day. That was Dsha's old job, run
Speaker 2: the beat of the daily news.
Speaker 1: I also think we're getting like these random people coming
Speaker 1: out of the woodwork now talking about the Mets and
Speaker 1: giving their thoughts and opinions. And I go, again, you're
Speaker 1: a reporter. I don't care about your opinion. Report the news. Newsboy,
Speaker 1: this boy.
Speaker 2: I also that's why I still love them. What Will
Speaker 2: Salmon does.
Speaker 1: Will's the man.
Speaker 2: He's become such a great insider. He also has the
Speaker 2: backblock of working with David Stearns covering the Milwaukee beat
Speaker 2: when he was there, so it has a very unique
Speaker 2: perspective that many of us do not. I don't like
Speaker 2: anyone else actually does. I don't know anyone who's on the
Speaker 2: Milwaukee beat now.
Speaker 1: The Mets beat opportunity, I think, very unique opportunity for Will.
Speaker 2: The whole thing is just weird. I give another Harper's
Speaker 2: Hits just to basically close this out here.
Speaker 1: Talk talk about a reporter, John, that's a report. That's
Speaker 1: a reporter. That guy should be getting the first question
Speaker 1: every single time.
Speaker 2: Let's see, I can't wait to see this the question
Speaker 2: there was There were so many that it's hard to even.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the questions by media though, like again you have
Speaker 1: a I feel like the job is to report, not
Speaker 1: give your thoughts and opinions on what's going on, because again,
Speaker 1: who are you? And Harper after the game on Sunday
Speaker 1: asked the question that I was hoping someone would ask,
Speaker 1: was there a takes sign a round in ratio to
Speaker 1: take a strike after seeing nine straight balls? That's reporting
Speaker 1: because it was crazy.
Speaker 2: He didn't trying to get rion. Andy Green was asked
Speaker 2: about Mauricio popping up at the bases loaded in the
Speaker 2: eighth and the one oh pitch have to Kirkinge through
Speaker 2: nine straight balls. Gave an evasive answer, saying there were
Speaker 2: takes signs on the times for certain guys Green lights
Speaker 2: for others very show Walter like. Here was Green's answer,
Speaker 2: There were certain times when we had takes on today
Speaker 2: there are times and you want AGGRESSI up pitches that
Speaker 2: he should be able to handle, so different points in
Speaker 2: time there would takes, different points in time. We returned
Speaker 2: loose answer. Yeah, create nothing answer right there.
Speaker 1: It's uh, the Beat's hungry there after it and they guy,
Speaker 1: this is a great time for the Beat because Carlson
Speaker 1: is gonna start chirping at some point.
Speaker 2: I'm sure.
Speaker 1: I actually don't think he is.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: I think that's why people love him so much. I
Speaker 1: do think he's genuinely an awesome guy. There's nothing sure
Speaker 1: to lead you believe that carlsman Doz is a bad
Speaker 1: guy or anything like that. I just I don't think
Speaker 1: he was fit to manage the New York Mets. It
Speaker 1: was not the Roman, it was not the right job
Speaker 1: for him. He was not the right guy. The fit
Speaker 1: wasn't the best. There's a lot of moving pieces. He
Speaker 1: wasn't given the best scenario either. I think it waspecially
Speaker 1: this year, especially this year. I don't think he was
Speaker 1: given a fair hand by any means. But the job,
Speaker 1: the record is a reflection of his job, and the
Speaker 1: record's bad, so he's done a bad job. That's how
Speaker 1: it works in this sport. It's it's a performance based sport.
Speaker 1: You can't reward him because you like him as a person.
Speaker 1: Bill Parcels, you are what your record says you are.
Speaker 1: That's record says their dog shit. Yeah, Danny Green, you
Speaker 1: are who they thought they were.
Speaker 2: Third worst record than Baseball God Angels, ahead of the Man.
Speaker 1: I know, man that got angels Man fan so mad yesterday.
Speaker 2: And do we have anything else here before again tomorrow, guys,
Speaker 2: Mark and I are going to do a reaction video
Speaker 2: to the e C three podcast and neither of us
Speaker 2: have listened to in full.
Speaker 1: That is Eric Shaves his podcast, by the way, in
Speaker 1: case you were wondering, Eric Shapps, Yes, he has a podcast.
Speaker 2: The EC three podcasts. Yeah, I can't I cannot wait.
Speaker 1: I can't wait because I've seen the clips. It's crazy,
Speaker 1: it's insane already.
Speaker 2: I listened to the first ten minutes on two x
Speaker 2: SPED while I was prepping otherwise, and there was some
Speaker 2: juicy morsels in there. Give a little morsel real quick,
Speaker 2: just for the people. There was a story that one
Speaker 2: time he didn't run out of the groundball or going
Speaker 2: go hard the second base at double play, and he
Speaker 2: said Billy Beans with Billy Bean was waiting in the
Speaker 2: tunnel for him to chew them out in the middle
Speaker 2: of a game. The GM called him into his office
Speaker 2: and they show them clips with Derek g the're running hard.
Speaker 1: That's insane.
Speaker 2: Good morsel right there, and that one did not make
Speaker 2: it the social media, but we're we're gonna do the
Speaker 2: whole thing. I don't know how long it's gonna go
Speaker 2: because the EC three podcast was thirty something minutes. Maybe
Speaker 2: we listened to X to Eric.
Speaker 1: No, No, we're gonna win the whole going slow, pausing
Speaker 1: when it's time to speak, oh and slow, like a
Speaker 1: nice brisket.
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like we're forgetting things. But now
Speaker 2: we're in. It's almost we got you close this out.
Speaker 2: We got to let people get out their day.
Speaker 1: We got to let people get on with their days.
Speaker 1: I like, at the end of the day, I think
Speaker 1: that my final takes on all of this will be
Speaker 1: this season is a lost season. We're now looking forward
Speaker 1: to what is going to be the twenty twenty seven Mets.
Speaker 1: We're trying to find who the pieces that are gonna
Speaker 1: stay here, who's gonna play what positions, Who's gonna do this,
Speaker 1: who's gonna do that? Coach yea, who's gonna coach? Is
Speaker 1: gonna be a big conversation. Shout at Albert pool Holes, he said,
Speaker 1: no harpers. David Ross also said he wants to be
Speaker 1: the Mets manager. So there are people who want to be.
Speaker 1: It's just guys who haven't gotten a job.
Speaker 2: I don't think I want to be the Mets manager.
Speaker 1: I want to be the Mets manager. I'm gonna throw
Speaker 1: me the me I'm officially throwing my hat in the ring.
Speaker 1: I want to be the Mets manager. Let the record
Speaker 1: show Mark Luiso wants to be the New York Mets manager.
Speaker 2: All right, I'll take that mess manager. I'm into that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll take that job. I don't want you to be
Speaker 2: the manager. On the record, I don't want Mark to
Speaker 2: be the.
Speaker 1: Full shit, that's crazy. You should have seen the Milbourne
Speaker 1: eight U team that I led. And also I have
Speaker 1: a almost major leaguer that I coached for one game.
Speaker 1: Shout Joshkrooda grower, yeah grower, actual prospect, yeah, rip prospect.
Speaker 1: But uh, that's it. I got nothing else. Oh did
Speaker 1: I say my final stance?
Speaker 2: I know I think you just sorry? Yeah, yeah, it's fair.
Speaker 1: Team's a mess. This season is a lost season. Let's
Speaker 1: play for what we got in twenty twenty seven. Let's
Speaker 1: make a lot of trades and bring in some new guys.
Speaker 1: Basically everybody but the guys that you know should be available.
Speaker 2: For trade, Yes, basically every single one. And you're telling
Speaker 2: you guys promise trade down that stuff for promising prospect stuff.
Speaker 2: This kind of just kind of jumped to the front
Speaker 2: of the line. Yeah, that stuff will still come.
Speaker 1: It's the Mets are gonna trade everybody, so yeah, probably
Speaker 1: I got some Frankie though too. It's your Frankie. I'd
Speaker 1: loved I'd love to know what Frankie's got about this
Speaker 1: crazy weekend.
Speaker 2: So we could do some time traveling with Frankie because
Speaker 2: we didn't really do an actual series recap last week.
Speaker 2: So I have a fourteen second from Frankie that we
Speaker 2: never touched. This was after the Cup series. Yeah, this
Speaker 2: was just before the windows A firing. So then we're
Speaker 2: gonna go take a journey with Frankie.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's travel.
Speaker 2: There's number one Time traveling with Frankie Peppers. Tell this
Speaker 2: is Frankie Pepper Saint.
Speaker 7: This is the first episode of the Hot Sauce. Take
Speaker 7: Sauce with Frankie Peppers. My heart take is that we stink.
Speaker 7: Thank you, gentlemen, Happy Father's Day.
Speaker 2: Hot Takes, Hot Take Sauce with Frankie Peppers. That's that's
Speaker 2: extremely accurate. Off to a rollicking start. Now here's Frankie
Speaker 2: for forty more.
Speaker 3: Ain't doing more things change, the more they stay the same.
Speaker 3: Definitely more encouraging series, but the same result. I have
Speaker 3: a feeling that it's just going to be results the
Speaker 3: whole year, the remaining of what is left of this
Speaker 3: lost seasoned gentleman, and as we myer and yet another
Speaker 3: losing lost season gentlemen, I'd like to switch it up.
Speaker 2: I'd like you the ah tell me three things that
Speaker 2: you're grateful for. Okay, I'm grateful for I'm grateful for
Speaker 2: the metsed up show I am.
Speaker 3: I'm grateful for my ability to cook, and I'm grateful
Speaker 3: for Janlan brunts.
Speaker 2: And the right boys to take care. He took one
Speaker 2: of mine. Frank, you went three for three for me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm grateful, mess up. I'm grateful for my cooking,
Speaker 2: and I'm very grateful for.
Speaker 1: Jails, Grateful for Jalen Brunson, grateful for one Soto, grateful
Speaker 1: for grateful for social media because those are our jobs that.
Speaker 2: I'm not really grateful for social media, but right now
Speaker 2: it's one of those moments, right I just can't pull
Speaker 2: myself for Wow, it's addicting.
Speaker 1: Grateful for our friendsdayhout out again again.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a nice, fun week. Grateful for air
Speaker 2: conditioning this week, everyone be really careful in New York City.
Speaker 2: The heathen decks can get to one hundred and ten
Speaker 2: brown out alert. Yeah, oh god, freaking this is great.
Speaker 2: Better not better, not die on us.
Speaker 1: Great.
Speaker 2: Grateful for great women in our lives, of course, the best.
Speaker 2: Always grateful for them. My family had Grateful for the
Speaker 2: World Cup.
Speaker 1: That's keep my mind off the metal little bit right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: World Cup. I'm going to the game on Tuesday for
Speaker 1: France Sweden. Come say what's up. Grateful, Grateful for Mets
Speaker 1: up in the audience, one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: Grateful for all of you guys. Like Mark just said,
Speaker 2: this is the best. I'm grateful for every baseball game
Speaker 2: the Mets don't play in. Oh god, I love watching this.
Speaker 1: I love watching other teams play baseball. It's really really
Speaker 1: a blast.
Speaker 2: I love watching the teams playa Grateful for fantasy baseball,
Speaker 2: having a good fantasy season despite the Mets being terrible. Okay,
Speaker 2: it's keeping me locked in. Grateful for Jared Young.
Speaker 1: Of course, how could you not be grateful for Jared Young.
Speaker 2: Grateful for Carson benj and Ajewing as well, grateful for
Speaker 2: the Fourth of July. I can't wait for fourth of July.
Speaker 2: Barbeview Fireworks two fifty USA. Can't wait Big Party of
Speaker 2: the Giano House.
Speaker 1: You can't wait. All right, that's it. Thank you guys
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Speaker 1: so I don't even know if he's watched his own podcast,
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Speaker 1: next time.
Speaker 2: Peace Out, sarcast comets