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Speaker 1: Andrew Martinez in Real Life Podcast. This episode and conversation

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Speaker 1: is powered by I Do say, Ryan, I think my

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Speaker 1: crew might be a little under pressure today because you're

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Speaker 1: my guest. I think my crew might feel a little

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Speaker 1: under pressure today because you're my guest.

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Speaker 2: Because you're my first filmmaker on the on the on

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Speaker 2: the pod. You're my first filmmaker I've had.

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Speaker 1: I've had actors, athletes, rappers, Thanks.

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Speaker 2: Man, Ryan Coogler, everybody.

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Speaker 1: I mean, is this weird you out a little bit?

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Speaker 1: On the other side of the camera decided.

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Speaker 3: Fall was like supposed to actor.

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Speaker 2: You can't act at all. I mean you could never

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Speaker 2: even never even tempted.

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Speaker 3: School or something like. But agast films make you do it.

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Speaker 1: Oh, you're probably pretty good for me because because I

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Speaker 1: feel like the truth tellers make really good actors.

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Speaker 2: Like if you could be in truth all the time,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure there's.

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Speaker 3: More to it, not just no, no, I'm just thinking

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Speaker 3: about it.

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Speaker 1: Because if you are in a state of truth all

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Speaker 1: the time, then you are whatever line it is you

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Speaker 1: are delivering your truthfully. That would make you a good actor.

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Speaker 1: I think maybe what does make a good actor?

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Speaker 2: Do you know.

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Speaker 4: You should know I think, like the ability to like

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Speaker 4: trigger empathy, like curiosity, and then there's a technical thing

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Speaker 4: to him too, like a lot of a lot of

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Speaker 4: the real dope wings like was trained.

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Speaker 3: You know, they got like a lot of techniques.

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Speaker 2: So I'm so excited you're here.

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Speaker 3: Number one.

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Speaker 2: I'm a fan, man, what I am a fan? I

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Speaker 2: am a fan. I've been a fan.

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Speaker 1: Likewise, I watched so when it's funny that Fruitville is

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Speaker 1: coming on it's ten years, right, you just hit ten

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Speaker 1: year anniversary of Fruitville.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 1: I remember watching that movie and thinking to myself, who

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Speaker 1: made this? Like, I remember thinking to myself, who made this?

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Speaker 1: And because it was so I don't know, it's so

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Speaker 1: specific and so honest, and so I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: just I was so drawn to it, and I was

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Speaker 1: really curious about who made it. That's kind of I'm

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Speaker 1: sure people have told you that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like like.

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Speaker 4: There's been a while since talking about that movie, and

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Speaker 4: it feels like yesterday when we made it. But at

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Speaker 4: the same time, it flight was a long long time

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Speaker 4: ago because a lot happened.

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Speaker 3: Since a lot.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I couldn't make that movie today. I think, like

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Speaker 4: like just just because I was I was, I was

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Speaker 4: like twenty five six, naive really making it thinking that

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Speaker 4: it would keep things like that from happening again, you

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Speaker 4: know what I mean, you know, and what happened after

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Speaker 4: it came out was, you know, more video.

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Speaker 2: You believe you could change the world with one story.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, not changeing, but I believe you know,

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Speaker 4: maybe maybe, yeah, maybe outside of the impact.

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Speaker 2: You not feel like it did.

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Speaker 4: I definitely didn't after I made because like when the

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Speaker 4: movie came out, the George Jimmeryman verdict came down, you know,

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Speaker 4: like I think the week the weekend we released it,

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Speaker 4: so we were doing press what that news was breaking,

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Speaker 4: you know, and you know, in the year since, you know,

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Speaker 4: if you put yourself in that mindset, it's not like

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Speaker 4: this film deal what it was supposed to.

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Speaker 3: Do, you know if that makes sense.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, But you know, getting older and learn more about

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Speaker 4: the world, and you know more about the things in

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Speaker 4: society affect you know, emotionally. I think I got more

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Speaker 4: more respective able to like, you know, have a healthier

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Speaker 4: existence as it relates to it.

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Speaker 1: I do want to talk today about the ten years

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Speaker 1: because ten years from then to now, the lessons you've

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Speaker 1: learned and yeah, yeah, you know you've been privy too.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure it's amazing. But but first, I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: just thinking about you and why I'm such a fan,

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Speaker 1: aside from just the actual work, it's like I feel

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Speaker 1: like you move with integrity with the chices that you

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Speaker 1: make and the films that you make and watching you

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Speaker 1: do interviews, and.

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Speaker 3: I mean not trying man like I'm like everybody else.

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to move uh honest and do right about

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Speaker 4: people and do what I say I'm gonna do kind

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: But it's it's really just being where I'm from, Like

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Speaker 4: I found that that, you know, it's it's beneficial to

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Speaker 4: move like that.

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Speaker 1: I was watching the speech that you gave. It was

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Speaker 1: at bath and you started it like it was beautiful,

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Speaker 1: stop all right on. You were like you started by saying,

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Speaker 1: I'm really nervous and I'm gonna need to take a

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Speaker 1: few minutes.

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Speaker 3: I'm a bit I'm a bit nervous. Y'all bear with me.

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Speaker 4: I might take some mom extended pauses, uh to collect myself.

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Speaker 4: Uh do the nerves and natural fear of public speaking.

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Speaker 2: You saying out loud. Yah, I'm nervous, y'all. I'm it's

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Speaker 2: like you let it go.

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Speaker 1: It's like it's like I feel like when people hold

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Speaker 1: on to things that are not true. It imagine you

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Speaker 1: didn't say that at the beginning of that speech. It's

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Speaker 1: like you release it by letting the truth out like happening. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: even if it's uncomfortable.

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Speaker 2: You get it out or whatever.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: That's and so I think I think there's a lesson

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Speaker 1: in that for people, just in terms of like what

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Speaker 2: And yeah, I was thinking about it. I don't know why.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes something somebody else does to bring up something for me.

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Speaker 1: In the middle of my radio career, my dream interview

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Speaker 1: was always Oprah Winfrey, right, because I grew I'm an

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Speaker 1: Oprah baby. I grew up on Oprah my purpose and

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Speaker 1: I want to know you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: You get it obviously, I'm an Oprah baby, right.

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Speaker 1: So I always was like, this is my dream. I

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Speaker 1: dream my dream, and I interviewed Jay Z a hundred times.

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Speaker 1: This is you know, Biggie Pok. I don't interviewed everybody.

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Speaker 1: Oprah Winfrey was on my list I'm driving to work

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Speaker 2: I'm in the car. We had just some competition had

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Speaker 1: They put ed level on against me in the afternoon,

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Speaker 1: drive them all my way to work, feeling good about

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Speaker 2: I clicked to see what the competitors doing.

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Speaker 1: Ed Lover is on the radio and he has a

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Speaker 2: He has Oprah win Free in the building.

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Speaker 3: Right right.

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Speaker 2: Now, I'm driving to work and I want to cry

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Speaker 2: right because I'm like, well, this was supposed to be mine.

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Speaker 5: I worked twenty years to get this interview. Why would

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Speaker 5: they take her down there? He just got on the

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Speaker 5: radio down there, So I'm having all those feelings. And

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Speaker 5: then I'm like, everybody I work with knows that Oprah

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Speaker 3: Station right now.

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Speaker 2: I guess.

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Speaker 1: So now I have to walk in the building and

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Speaker 1: Am I gonna walk in there?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 2: I don't care?

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Speaker 1: I could I could probably pull it off. I'm good

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Speaker 1: enough to maybe pull it off, but really could I

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Speaker 2: I don't know?

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Speaker 1: And so I was like, you know what, So before

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Speaker 1: I went upstairs. I called Ed lover and oh, I

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Speaker 1: had text him, yeah, and I told him that that.

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Speaker 1: I was like, you got my dream a man of you,

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Speaker 1: but you're killing it. Congratulations, amazing, Like let it go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's super mature.

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Speaker 2: Yes, And I was younger.

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Speaker 1: I was probably I don't know, a long time ago, right,

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Speaker 1: So I was younger, But I learned something about myself

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Speaker 1: in that moment, and I've always thought about that, like,

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Speaker 1: if you let it go, even if it's uncomfortable, whether

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Speaker 1: it's jealousy, envy, nervousness, insecurity, all that shit, if you

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Speaker 1: let it go, the power has less power.

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Speaker 2: It's like, right, So it's the same thing. I don't

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Speaker 1: When I saw you do that, it reminded me of

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Speaker 1: that moment. I was like, damn, that's a I don't know,

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Speaker 1: it's just a moment for me, a story to realize that.

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Speaker 1: So I walked in and I was like, it's fine

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Speaker 1: because I was really fine because Ed hit me back

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Speaker 1: and was like, yo, thank you know how much that

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Speaker 1: means to me, Like coming from you, it was beautiful.

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Speaker 2: It turned into like I was like a mess to like.

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Speaker 1: It was like a dope moment where he was like, man,

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Speaker 1: coming from you, that means everything.

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Speaker 3: That's huge.

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Speaker 2: So then I walk into work, I'm fine.

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Speaker 3: It's amazing, right because I had to go When was

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Speaker 2: This was gosh, this was I don't know, twenty years ago,

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Speaker 4: That's fucking like incredible because because you it's like a

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Speaker 4: story of emotional maturity and wisdom. Yeah, like like radical

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Speaker 4: like radical self care, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: And it's like when you have a moment where you

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Speaker 1: teach yourself something. I was like, oh, should I feel

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Speaker 1: better survival tactics?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like like because because you something that you loved, Like,

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Speaker 4: that's a recipe for a lot of internalized negativity. Like

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Speaker 4: there's a recipe for envy. There's a recipe for you.

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Speaker 4: You know, you might you might have went in there

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Speaker 4: and lash out. That's mighty in the office, you know

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Speaker 4: what I'm saying, or lash out yourself, but man, you

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Speaker 4: you you you took that acknowledge it. Congratulate the person

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Speaker 3: Body here, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: He really did do a good jock. He was great.

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Speaker 2: It was a great count.

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Speaker 4: He was being honest, you know what I'm saying, like

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Speaker 4: like acknowledging that it was dreaming of yours putting it

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Speaker 4: out like that's that's incredible, Like that's so, that's so,

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Speaker 4: that's what I was asking when it happened, because that's

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Speaker 4: like I deal with that, man, Like like coming up,

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Speaker 4: I grew up as an athlete before I wanted to

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Speaker 4: be a filmmaker like you were. You know, I would

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Speaker 4: play and you you know, it didn't happen too often, thankfully,

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Speaker 4: Like while you come.

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Speaker 3: Across somebody who was better than you know, you know

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Speaker 3: what I'm saying, how you handle that? Well, you know,

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Speaker 3: I played football. I played.

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Speaker 4: I would handle it by acknowledging it first, like mentally.

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Speaker 4: Like a good example is like I played Marshawn Lynch

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Speaker 4: a bunch like you know, Pop Warner and high school college.

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Speaker 2: Oh you had a good class.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but he was really really, really really good in

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Speaker 4: high school. And I met at some point in it

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Speaker 4: during the game it's like this dude, like this dude's incredible.

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Speaker 4: We figure out how to tackle him, you know, you know,

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Speaker 3: didn't know. It's like he's a million dollars. Oh my god,

444
00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:52,000
Speaker 3: you know what?

445
00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:53,600
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, like like I didn't want to,

446
00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,280
Speaker 4: you know, lose that money for the for the investors.

447
00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,600
Speaker 2: So the same pressure from then to black Panther as

448
00:19:58,640 --> 00:19:58,920
Speaker 2: the same.

449
00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:04,840
Speaker 4: It's from the outside looking in there's clearly like more

450
00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:09,320
Speaker 4: at stake, but the stress level, you know, it's at

451
00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:12,679
Speaker 4: the maximum. I'm saying each on each wind, if that may,

452
00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:14,679
Speaker 4: If that makes so, I mean like it feels like

453
00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:16,919
Speaker 4: I'm it feels like I'm as stressed as I could be.

454
00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,400
Speaker 2: Do you have a trick or a thing that you do?

455
00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,919
Speaker 2: What that you tell yourself? Is there? Like when that

456
00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:24,360
Speaker 2: starts starts creeping.

457
00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,480
Speaker 4: In, I try to remind myself to control what I

458
00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:32,560
Speaker 4: can control. It's a collaborative medium, so I try to

459
00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:36,840
Speaker 4: hire the best people that I can. I got an

460
00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:41,359
Speaker 4: imagining wife who's been with me, knowing me a long time,

461
00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:43,639
Speaker 4: and it's always very honest with me.

462
00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:47,760
Speaker 3: It's very smart. So I keep her around and.

463
00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,600
Speaker 4: Let her in on everything I'm doing, you know, so

464
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,880
Speaker 4: she can kind of get me perspective from when I'm

465
00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:56,840
Speaker 4: drowning in stress. She can tell me, yeah, you should

466
00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:03,119
Speaker 4: be worried or not trip me. You know what I'm saying, I'll.

467
00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,320
Speaker 3: Let people work to the MAXI and that capacity.

468
00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:10,320
Speaker 4: So if I got a co writer, or if I got.

469
00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,639
Speaker 3: Cinematary for a d you know, let them, let them

470
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:13,560
Speaker 3: take as much off.

471
00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:19,680
Speaker 4: Of my players as they can and then shyly because

472
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:21,159
Speaker 4: I'll deal with work addiction.

473
00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:23,439
Speaker 3: Ah.

474
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,160
Speaker 4: I try to work myself into the place of being

475
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:31,960
Speaker 4: comfortable what I'm doing. You know, if that makes sense.

476
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,600
Speaker 2: Well, two things out, two things I want to know.

477
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,400
Speaker 1: Talk to me about work addiction because I completely understand

478
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 1: and I'm doing my best in this part of this time.

479
00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,240
Speaker 1: It took me to this time in my life to try.

480
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,679
Speaker 1: At least I have some tools that I use. But

481
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:47,760
Speaker 1: it's still it's still a struggle.

482
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:48,359
Speaker 3: It's tough.

483
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 1: But I've never really heard somebody just own it and

484
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 1: claim it, Like like, work addiction, what is that?

485
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,159
Speaker 4: It's a self diagnosis, right, But like I kind of

486
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 4: discovered it when I was going through something really emotionally intense.

487
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:10,880
Speaker 4: Actively I owned disclose what it was, and I realized

488
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 4: that I was unconsciously working like I was working at

489
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,200
Speaker 4: a time and I really shouldn't have been working. I

490
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 4: should have been dealing with what was happening. Yeah, yeah,

491
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:21,119
Speaker 4: I should have been dealing with what was happening. And

492
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,400
Speaker 4: I kind of got called out on it, like Yo,

493
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 4: why are you sending emails and making calls about this thing?

494
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 4: We got this going on, you know, And I was

495
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,760
Speaker 4: when I realized, like, oh, I got a problem, you

496
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 4: know what I mean? Like, so I navigated, you know

497
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:38,119
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. But it's a lot, Like it's a

498
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,400
Speaker 4: lot like if somebody who gotta eating disorder, right because

499
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 4: you have to work, you know what I mean, to live,

500
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like, you gotta eat to live.

501
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 4: So when you're dealing with things that's like necessities, it

502
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 4: gets tricky.

503
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:52,679
Speaker 2: But you also love it too, dude.

504
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and it brings good things, you know what

505
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:56,200
Speaker 3: I'm saying.

506
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,160
Speaker 4: So it's complicated, you know, like, but it also ruined

507
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,199
Speaker 4: your life blues the things that's most important, right, you

508
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 4: know what I mean. Like, so I'm monitory, you know

509
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:08,679
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, But like, yeah, like if I'm feeling

510
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,440
Speaker 4: the tricky part is like if I'm stressed about a scene, right,

511
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:19,159
Speaker 4: it's often because I haven't given it enough time, you know, Like,

512
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:21,199
Speaker 4: so what I what I kind of have to do

513
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,639
Speaker 4: to make myself less stresses to work on it, you

514
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:25,400
Speaker 4: know what I mean? If that makes sense?

515
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:27,880
Speaker 3: So I got to negotiate, right, it's all right, I'm

516
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 3: gonna sleep to night. You know where? Am I gonna work?

517
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 4: The shine to the point that it feels like it's doing?

518
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:36,399
Speaker 2: Not healthy?

519
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:40,159
Speaker 4: So should I show up to work tomorrow for this

520
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 4: ten hour day that might end up being fourteen or sixteen?

521
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 4: Should I show up with a good night's sleep but

522
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,399
Speaker 4: the work un finished? You know what I'm saying, and

523
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:54,120
Speaker 4: we work out all the day, or should show up

524
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 4: completely sleep deprive? But I know the work is here,

525
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. In some days at little

526
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 4: actors am I working?

527
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

528
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 4: Are they good to work with on the spot? Or

529
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 4: they gonna get freaked out if it's not. If it's

530
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 4: not done, they're gonna show a panic. You know what

531
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 4: I'm saying, Like, y'all this scene ain't working.

532
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 3: Cool? What we're gonna do?

533
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 4: Like like if I got the ones, that's gonna be cool,

534
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 4: working all the day, not going to sleep, you know

535
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 4: what I'm saying?

536
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 2: Getting better at that going to sleep?

537
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 3: Yeah I can, I can. I can navigate it a

538
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 3: little better, you know what I'm saying.

539
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 4: Like when I first started, like Repouval, I just didn't sleep,

540
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 4: you know, twenty days, but Cree was fifty days, Panther

541
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 4: was close to one hundred. So I can't not sleep

542
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 4: one hundred days coming from you gotta sleep.

543
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 1: You know What's helped me, and that's because I'm I

544
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 1: have work addiction too, But I don't know, I've really

545
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 1: locked into like just locking into like the faith of

546
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 1: it all and and uh waiting for their just have

547
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:51,120
Speaker 1: the faith.

548
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 2: It's just the faith.

549
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 1: Do as much as I can, and then have faith

550
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 1: that whatever it is supposed to be is gonna be,

551
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 1: which I didn't I used to say it, but actual

552
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: actively actively actively going I want to stay up till

553
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,679
Speaker 1: five am because this should be in love. I can't,

554
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 1: so I'm going to go to sleep. And because I can't,

555
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna do it or something false false flat.

556
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 1: I have to have faith that was supposed to fall

557
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: flat for whatever reason. And I've been finding it's only

558
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 1: been a few years that I've been actively living that way.

559
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 3: There really is something to it. It's really something to

560
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 3: that because.

561
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 1: You get the peace and the comfort, and then you

562
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: also sometimes it comes out better than you if you

563
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 1: are micromanaging and trying to control it so much comes

564
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 1: better because the magic in the recreating or whatever it is,

565
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 1: fixing something that broke is that you missed that magic

566
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 1: if you're over controlling everything.

567
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

568
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,640
Speaker 1: It's a process. It's all process. But the other thing

569
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: that you said before that, I was like, oh, I

570
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: got a question about that is just your wife and

571
00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 1: her support of you and the importance of choosing the

572
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 1: right partner in your life and.

573
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:02,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean.

574
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, yeah, super important, Like you know.

575
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 2: Did you know that? But as you grew up in

576
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 2: not many of my guests have.

577
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 1: We were talking about this before because we've always talked

578
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 1: about daddy issues and things like this, and it's because

579
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 1: most people don't have two parent households.

580
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, you you have a two parent households to have

581
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 4: daddy is. But I mean, yeah, my parents was My

582
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 4: parents was both both in my life. They still are.

583
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, But did they teach you the importance of picking

584
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 1: the right partner or did you get that young or

585
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 1: you're just having a lot of bluck up, Like was

586
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 1: it intentional.

587
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a complicated question. Okay, no, no, it's fine.

588
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm just trying to think about how to

589
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 3: answer you. I mean with my pop will say my

590
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 3: pap actually will say that. He'll say, I'm from the Bay.

591
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,160
Speaker 4: We got a lot of phrases and sayings and like,

592
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 4: but he'll.

593
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 3: Say more is caught than talked. What that means. He's like, like.

594
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 4: You can sit down and teach somebody something, but if

595
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 4: they're around you every day, they gonna catch what you do,

596
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 4: you know, you know what I mean.

597
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 3: So my parents, you know, I was around.

598
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 4: Them all the time, you know, and picked up a

599
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 4: lot of things from them, just like just from them

600
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 4: being around you know, you know what I'm saying. It

601
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 4: wasn't like they sat down and was like, man, when

602
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,719
Speaker 4: you pick a you pick your mate, you gotta pick

603
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 4: the right price and everything, you know. You know, But

604
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 4: I watched how I watched how I got down, you

605
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,360
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. And maybe it was I never

606
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 4: did this kind of self analysis that's almost like on

607
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 4: a therapy or something.

608
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 3: I know people said that to me all the time.

609
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 3: I really haven't really done there too much. But but

610
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 3: but what what is true. Though.

611
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 4: It is true, you know, is that my parents met

612
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 4: when they were kids. That's the reality.

613
00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 1: You guys met young? Yeah, high school, Yeah I met.

614
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,439
Speaker 3: I met her when I was kids. Your kids I

615
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 3: met when I was thirteen. Wow.

616
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, so like it's probably something to me as a kid.

617
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 4: And I was like, when I might meet I might

618
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 4: meet the one.

619
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

620
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 2: You didn't even know.

621
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was looking for I was moving because I

622
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 4: knew that's how I worked out with my parents.

623
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 3: Whatever you feel me?

624
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, good, Yeah, I looked out. I looked out. I

625
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 4: definitely looked out.

626
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 1: And since we're talking about family though, though, I wonder

627
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 1: how much being a father has changed you. But what

628
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: have you learned from that? Yeah, it's probably it's probably

629
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: kicked into why you're aware of your work addiction.

630
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 2: I'm sure that's part of it.

631
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 4: Uh, yeah, it's totally a part of Yeah, I was

632
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 4: on I was on vacation once in a whiter.

633
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 3: I asked me and and if we had kids, we

634
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 3: should know And he was like and he was like, man,

635
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 3: it's just wait he's and he's like, I just had

636
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 3: a kid, he said, and and it's like everything before

637
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 3: the kid was black and white and now everything is

638
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 3: in color, you know what I'm saying.

639
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 4: And that's that's like the best description of it. You

640
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 4: feel like, like I like, it's no disrespect people who

641
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 4: not capable or looking for having.

642
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 3: Kids, you know what I'm saying. Like it's not like

643
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 3: like no disrespect.

644
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 4: But but for me personally, yeah, it felt like it

645
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 4: felt like everything leading up to this was practice. You're

646
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 4: not a game, not a game started. That makes sense totally. Yeah,

647
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 4: it's that kind of It's that kind of feeling. But

648
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 4: also it is crazy because like the things nobody tells you.

649
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 3: Actually, you know what, somebody did. Somebody did tell me this.

650
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 3: It was it was real. It was a little real.

651
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 3: He told me why he was working on Judis in

652
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 3: a black masside.

653
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 4: But he was like he was like, Yo, there's nothing

654
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 4: more entertaining than than your own kids, you know what

655
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 4: I'm saying, Like they're just so entertaining. And that's that's

656
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 4: the other thing. Like I watched I watched less movies

657
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 4: and TV and everything because like because they because they

658
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 4: just saw they so interesting, you know what I mean.

659
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 4: It's so constantly exciting and like nerve racking. You know,

660
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, that like that that you know,

661
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 4: everything else is kind of like everything else kind of.

662
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 3: Like pills and comparison, you know.

663
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Like you get more adrenaline

664
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 4: from like them running around the kitchen and they socks,

665
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, because like every step they

666
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 4: might they might, they might, you know what I mean.

667
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 4: It's it's more not then then then action movie than anything,

668
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 4: you know.

669
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 3: You know.

670
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, so like you kind of like I weren't ready

671
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 4: to be like kind of like perpetually like unimpressed by.

672
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 3: Everything else, you know what I'm saying.

673
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, but but it's it's wild man, that's beautiful. Yeah,

674
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 4: you definite but you definitely get like more aware of

675
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 4: your mortality too.

676
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, for sure. I was telling you this early.

677
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: That's how this podcast started. My first chapter colled World

678
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: Gonna Die because it's like, when you're starting to become

679
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: aware of your mortality, to me, it could do one

680
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: of two things. You could get freaked out or scare

681
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: bite or depressed or sad, or you could be inspired

682
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: by that and realize the time, how important time is

683
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: and how important our choices are and what we're doing

684
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: with our time here, And.

685
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 4: It's crazy because like it's like where I'm from and

686
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 4: the time coming up. In the time that I came

687
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 4: up in, we was surrounded by the concept of like

688
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 4: young death and like old death, you know what I'm saying.

689
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 4: Like that that was the thing, Like it was it

690
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 4: was non like it was in our movies, but it

691
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 4: was also started to happen to us, like I could

692
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 4: get shot, you know what I'm saying, Like I could

693
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 4: get I could get smoked, like like high school college age.

694
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 4: That was like that was like the fear like I'm

695
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 4: gonna I'm going to a party, man, I might haven't

696
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 4: I might get smoked, you know what I'm saying, Like

697
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 4: we're you know, we might get caught with something I

698
00:31:58,320 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 4: gotta go away from forever or whatever, you.

699
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 3: Know what I mean.

700
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 4: Like like but but what I kind of wasn't prepared

701
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 4: for it was like like late twenties, early thirties, Like

702
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 4: you know, you know what I'm saying. It's like it's

703
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 4: like it's like oh wow, Like what's what's this is

704
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 4: gonna look like? And and now it's getting crazy like

705
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 4: like like late thirties because I'm seeing like family. I'm

706
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 4: seeing like like the changing of the guard with the family.

707
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 4: Like I'm seeing like my parents' age become the oldest,

708
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. It's like, oh, ship, we

709
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 4: next up, you know you know what I mean.

710
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 2: Like it's so funny.

711
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: I told you I had Joe Button. We had Joe Button,

712
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: and we were talking about the elevator of life. Yeah,

713
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: it's like an elevator. So who it's like they know

714
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: and then it's like, what's You're becoming the dad and

715
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: you'll be the grandfather.

716
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 4: Like strangely, we was prepared for like an exit on

717
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 4: the third floor, right like teenage, teenage, young young twenties,

718
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 4: but like but like now you're a fifth floor, sixth floor.

719
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 4: It was it was kind of like a like kind

720
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 4: of unknown, you know what. You know what I'm saying,

721
00:32:54,520 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 4: like and it brings like a strange it's strange thing

722
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 4: like like like I remember when when Kobe passed away,

723
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 4: My wife and I had just met him. We just

724
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 4: we just met him, him and him and Vanessa, you know,

725
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 4: and Vanessa was pregnant and jen was pregnant, you know

726
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. Like that was it was both. It

727
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 4: was both like I think she was more pregnant than

728
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 4: Jense he was, you know what I mean. And I remember,

729
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 4: you know, chopping up with Kobe, and I remember how

730
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 4: big he was, you know what I'm saying. He was

731
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 4: just he was just like like like like sawing Paulsy,

732
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, and chopping it up and everything.

733
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 4: And you know, we we and were back home. We

734
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 4: find out, we find out about the accident, and uh

735
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 4: and we devastate and j just thinking about it, you know,

736
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 4: the the young the young kid that I was pregnant with,

737
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 4: you know, and and her her maybe having it, not

738
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 4: having a chance to have her you know, relationship with

739
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 4: him that in the physical sense that she's remembring and

740
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 4: and we realized it was like, oh wait, what's something happened?

741
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 3: What's not having nuts right now? Like like you know,

742
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

743
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 4: We didn't we didn't have we didn't have a trust,

744
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 4: we didn't have a will, we didn't you know, we

745
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 4: didn't have any of our stuff in order, and like

746
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 4: we didn't even know how to do it, you know what.

747
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, because we.

748
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 4: From applies where people don't have those things, you know,

749
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, yeah, like like it was

750
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 4: like it was it was bananas, you know what I mean.

751
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 4: It was like and we you know, we had a kid,

752
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 4: and it's like, oh my god, we gotta we gotta

753
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 4: get on our ship, you know.

754
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 3: Like, so I called Charles King. It was like, bro,

755
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 3: we gotta.

756
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 2: Get I'm notting surprise, but I'm not surprised.

757
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 1: I was very not that it was not that long

758
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: ago that I finally got all that stuff in order.

759
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 4: To Yeah, but you called Charles, called Charles immediately, yeah,

760
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 4: and and he helped us get everything squared away.

761
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 3: Like everybody listening, man, that ship taken care of.

762
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: That's for real. And you've had a string of of

763
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: loss in the past couple of years. How have you

764
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 1: I don't know how is that shaped you? Just because

765
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: it's like confronting mortality, but also is grief, right and

766
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 1: sadness that comes with that?

767
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 2: How have you managed that?

768
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 4: I mean, I carry man, you know what I'm saying, like,

769
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 4: oh wow, yeah, this the director of under Rade. It's

770
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 4: just it's just a little girl. We lost her between nineteen.

771
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 2: Chadwick is on the other one, cha Chad.

772
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, by.

773
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 2: The way, the chain is fire. Is that black?

774
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 3: Ye black diamonds.

775
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course it's black diamonds. Yeah, that's fire. Yeah,

776
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:34,439
Speaker 2: I love that.

777
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, he ain't really wear it. He didn't really wear it.

778
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 4: He wasn't a jewelry guy, it was, but he was.

779
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 4: Maybe he would wear he would wear like African bracelets.

780
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 4: He wouldn't wear GYM STM or nothing like that, you

781
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 4: know what I mean. It would be like bespoke stuff.

782
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 3: He got me this.

783
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 4: He got me this copper bracelet when we wrapped the

784
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 4: first Panther, and I didn't I didn't even want to

785
00:35:58,680 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 4: take no gift from him.

786
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

787
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 4: He was he gave such such He gave me the

788
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 4: greatest gift with that performance. You know what I'm saying,

789
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 4: His friendship and I and I never forgive myself for this.

790
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 3: Man.

791
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 4: I took your home and put it like in a

792
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 4: box somewhere we moved. I still got it. But it's

793
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 4: like stories, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta go find it.

794
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 3: Please go find that media.

795
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 4: Got I will, man, but but but I meant it.

796
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 4: Though I didn't need nothing material from him, But I

797
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 4: know he was gonna lose him so soon, you know,

798
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, like like, yeah, so I got this

799
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 4: one made, but I gotta Yeah, I got a black

800
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 4: dog for him because I know he was like no

801
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 4: diamonds in that man, I got. I got the black ones.

802
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 3: But should you carry man? You know, And it's something

803
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 3: you learn.

804
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 4: How to how.

805
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 3: To move with man like you know. But but yeah,

806
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 3: a lot of lost.

807
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 4: John, yeah single, Yeah, a lot of lost man. But

808
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 4: but but everybody deals with it.

809
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 3: You know. It's like it's like it's such a part

810
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,240
Speaker 3: of life. You know, it's going to happen.

811
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 4: On all of us, and learning how to navigate and

812
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 4: learning how to like acknowledge and get through it in

813
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 4: your own way.

814
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 3: It's like a necessary, necessary part of life, you know

815
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. But it don't make it.

816
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 2: Easy, Nah, never easy.

817
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: But it should inspire you to, like we always say

818
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: when somebody first passed, is like, oh you got to

819
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 1: live for the moment, life short you say all those things. Yeah,

820
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: to actually live a life like that intentionally all the time. Yeah,

821
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: it's like a gift I think from having experienced something.

822
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 4: Like that, Yeah, and also being close to Chad Man.

823
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 4: He was so like in the time that I knowing

824
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 4: he was he was sick. You know, I didn't know

825
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,720
Speaker 4: to actually pass, but he was. He was so intention

826
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 4: like so present, you know, you know what I'm saying.

827
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 4: And I don't know if that was just who he

828
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 4: was or what he was dealing with a combination of both.

829
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 2: It had to be, you know.

830
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 3: Also yeah, but yeah, he was a great teacher at

831
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 3: that me my house.

832
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 2: So give us a lesson in that or like one.

833
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 3: It's like back to all saying my pops like more

834
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 3: caught and talked.

835
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 4: He never he never shot me down and shaid, cool,

836
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 4: just how you gotta live your life, you know what

837
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 4: I'm saying. And he was child, was older than me,

838
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 4: and he totally could have I would have listened, you

839
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, Like like if you'd been like, hey,

840
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 4: let me tell you something, young man, but he didn't.

841
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 4: It was just how it was how he worked, you know,

842
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 4: like like he would he rarely had his phone with him.

843
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 4: We would be working, he would, you know, I'll give

844
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 4: him directions.

845
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 3: He would stop. He would look look me right in

846
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:33,800
Speaker 3: the eye. You know what I'm saying.

847
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 4: You know, I'm right here, yeah, right here, and like

848
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 4: and like if to think about something, he would take

849
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 4: a deep He would take deep breaths, you know, like

850
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 4: he moved at his own pace. I've never seen him rush,

851
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 4: but he was like all right on time. One of

852
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:52,399
Speaker 4: them kind of people you know.

853
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 3: Like.

854
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 4: And and he kind of he couldn't be hurried neither.

855
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, be hurried crazy the rector,

856
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,439
Speaker 4: I mean, the ad War, you know what I'm saying,

857
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 4: Because like for me, I was like, okay, yeah, here

858
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 4: king on set. So like you know, I get it,

859
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 4: you know, you know what I'm saying. But yeah, like

860
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 4: like he was gonna he was gonna move on a

861
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 4: long pace. And then you realize what he was dealing with,

862
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 4: you know, and what he was doing it for. You know,

863
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. It's like, man, you know,

864
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 4: so he was somebody like that. You you go back

865
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 4: and replay you know, every everything he realized. Man, that

866
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 4: was that was I realized me. He was showing me.

867
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 4: He was showing me a lot.

868
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: You know what a great lesson. Yeah, what a great thing.

869
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 3: It's a dope video of me.

870
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 4: Man, Like given the Howard commencement speech, and if you're

871
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 4: watching the video, they put the graduating like Tarsaloni and

872
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 4: he does the thing I'm talking about. He takes like

873
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 4: a deep breath and he acknowledges, like what just what

874
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 4: just happened?

875
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. There's something that like not

876
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 3: a lot.

877
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 2: Of people do, I'm gonna do. I'm stealing that today.

878
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like every episode and something I take

879
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Speaker 1: away a couple of things I take away. There's a

880
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Speaker 1: few things you said today. I'm definitely taking it right.

881
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Speaker 1: But I'm taking that too from Chack. I'm taking that

882
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Speaker 1: from Check.

883
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Speaker 4: I definitely started from you, man, Like if the kid

884
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Speaker 4: do something crazy where if somebody say something kind or

885
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 4: I make a decision, I'll like to pull a chat

886
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 4: like I'll just think about it for a bit, you

887
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, registered and then move. But if

888
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Speaker 4: you want to see him do it large, check that

889
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 4: commission man, because he doesn't. You can tell, like how

890
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 4: much he meant to him that that's beautiful. You know,

891
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 4: that's beautiful.

892
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Speaker 1: I would imagine you're in a position you could probably

893
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Speaker 1: this probably projects being thrown at you one hundred a day.

894
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Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, uh me ZIZI and several hundred.

895
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Speaker 4: We started a company called Proximity Media started in twenty eighteen,

896
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Speaker 4: we did Space Jam.

897
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Speaker 3: And Julius right away, Judis and Black and Side, and then.

898
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Speaker 4: We started to expand, got in the you know podcast

899
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 4: like like you're doing right now. We got a podcast

900
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 4: called in Proximity. That's that's really that's really fun. But

901
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,439
Speaker 4: we started to expand and hire people that are really

902
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 4: good at doing certain things. Pete Nicks, who directed Underwrited,

903
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 4: also directed Anthem for its just on who but he

904
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 4: runs non fiction, you know, and and and yeah, like

905
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 4: now that we have executives and staff were able to

906
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 4: like to look at you know, look at more, look

907
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Speaker 4: at more.

908
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Speaker 3: Projects that might come in.

909
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Speaker 2: Does this side of stuff exactly?

910
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 3: Yeah.

911
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 4: Eric Payton, who found the Unanimous Media with Stephen Curry,

912
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 4: called with the idea and they had worked out quite

913
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Speaker 4: a bit and I love, I love the idea and

914
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Speaker 4: I'm from from the Bay Area, big Warriors fan, love

915
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 4: Steph and ended up making like a beautiful movie about

916
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 4: like yeah, yeah totally, but also about like the power

917
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Speaker 4: of being seen, you know what I'm saying, Like, like

918
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 4: so often, you know, people, especially like in business or

919
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 4: or who was sports especially people oftentimes look at at

920
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 4: a player and they she was not there as opposed

921
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Speaker 4: as opposed what's there?

922
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Speaker 1: Yeah, when they were reading off his NBA whether his

923
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 1: draft what is that called?

924
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 2: Like his draft bio that was wild.

925
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 3: A lot of people got it wrong.

926
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Speaker 2: Of course they got it wrong. Yeah, but that's how

927
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 2: the world is.

928
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Speaker 3: Who did who got it right?

929
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 2: That's how the world is.

930
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Speaker 1: Everybody, anytime you're trying to do something that's like groundbreaking,

931
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 1: is going to be people that don't see you.

932
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Speaker 2: And then but he for some reason didn't. He didn't

933
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Speaker 2: listen to any of that.

934
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Speaker 4: We had people who saw him, you know, and people

935
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Speaker 4: who gave him a chance, believed in and built him up.

936
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Speaker 4: And what's great about Stephen was right about the movie

937
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Speaker 4: is he gives back to those people. You know, It's

938
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Speaker 4: like it's not he not just taking like you know,

939
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Speaker 4: he he told his mom he's gonna graduate and then

940
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Speaker 4: and when did it? You know, you know what I'm saying.

941
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Speaker 4: And one of his jersey up there and you know, Davidson,

942
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Speaker 4: so he could get back to his coach, you know,

943
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Speaker 4: who gave so much to him.

944
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Speaker 3: So I think that I think that he made a

945
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 3: beautiful movie.

946
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Speaker 2: Man, beautiful movie. Okay, you know what I mean. I

947
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Speaker 2: usually I started my interviews this today. We didn't do

948
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Speaker 2: it today. I usually start the interview with how happy

949
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Speaker 2: are you on a scale of one to ten right

950
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Speaker 2: now right now?

951
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Speaker 3: Mhm mhmm, like a nine point five?

952
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Speaker 1: Really god bless Yeah, that's amazing. Yeah, nine point five

953
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: based on just life for I.

954
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Speaker 3: Mean right now in the moment.

955
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I love that.

956
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

957
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Speaker 4: Thanks, that's Ama as more teenager in New York Health Insurance.

958
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Speaker 3: Falk straight.

959
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Speaker 1: You know, yeah, what in real life? What are you

960
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 1: most proud of?

961
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 3: H wow, holy ship.

962
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: Sorry, it's not super light. It could be light for

963
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Speaker 1: some people. You you're a thinker, you like to.

964
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna ask you honestly, man, what is pride like?

965
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 3: What is that.

966
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 2: Something that you feel makes you feel good about you?

967
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 2: I think.

968
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Speaker 1: I and for me, I would say, I'm I'm proud

969
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,760
Speaker 1: that I always get back up. And then I write

970
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Speaker 1: my longevity not just not just career career, but my

971
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 1: career probably like yours, meshes into my real life.

972
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Speaker 6: Right right right right, So it all is about there's

973
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Speaker 6: really no separation, I mean my kids and my family,

974
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Speaker 6: but for me, for for you personally, like I don't know,

975
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Speaker 6: is it a career moment?

976
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: Is it a project, Is it a something about your

977
00:44:54,239 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: projects so that you're most proud of or mm hmm, oh.

978
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Speaker 2: Hello about the awful you are.

979
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Speaker 3: I think it's probably.

980
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

981
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: Fuck, I don't know.

982
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Speaker 4: It's a lot, man, like I got like I think,

983
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Speaker 4: I think it's probably in twenty eighteen, what's going through

984
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Speaker 4: a lot.

985
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 3: But I got to.

986
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 4: Take my wife, my mom, and my grandmother who was

987
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 4: in her nineties to the continent for the first time.

988
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 4: All three it was all three of the first time

989
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 4: beautiful and I got him, I got him there, got.

990
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 3: Him back shape. So I think that's probably the biggest deal.

991
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 4: And why it was a big deal is because like

992
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 4: I grew up hearing about Africa from people who had

993
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 4: never been you know what I'm saying, do like what

994
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 4: happened to our ancestors, you know, so like taking taking

995
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Speaker 4: the others member of my family there was It was

996
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Speaker 4: a probably probably a big deal.

997
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 2: That's a proud moment.

998
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 4: Maybe yeah, maybe maybe, But there's so many I've been blessed,

999
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Speaker 4: Like for real, that's one. I guess that's interesting.

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Speaker 2: That's a good one. Okay, last thing and we're gonna

1001
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 2: let you go.

1002
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Speaker 1: Uh. It's really a two parts so it's up to

1003
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: you how quick or short you want to make it.

1004
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: What do you want people to learn from it? To

1005
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: learn from your life?

1006
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:33,280
Speaker 3: You as cold questions.

1007
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 4: Sorry, it is supposed to be a speed ground, so yeah,

1008
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Speaker 4: like like.

1009
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Speaker 2: And then what's left? What is what is the what

1010
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:43,439
Speaker 2: is the what is the star?

1011
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 3: For you? I guess what I want people to learn

1012
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 3: from my life.

1013
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:55,280
Speaker 2: Is mm hmm.

1014
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 4: That there's power in finding out what you love, you

1015
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying and doing it Like like I

1016
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 4: found what I loved in a roundabout way, you know,

1017
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 4: but I thank god I was like open to it,

1018
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 4: you know, as an option, you know, when it was

1019
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 4: presented to me.

1020
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 2: So you could have easily been totally one way.

1021
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it would have been very easy for me.

1022
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 4: What happened with me it was a teacher recommended it

1023
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 4: in a class that was not a filmmaking class. It

1024
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 4: was was a credit writing class. I wasn't really aiming

1025
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 4: my life towards and she read something I wrote. It

1026
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 4: was like, hey, you should write screenplays, you know what

1027
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 4: I'm saying. And that's that's kind of what led me.

1028
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 4: When they saw I'm thankful that I was.

1029
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 3: I was. I was listening. I'm thankful for that teacher.

1030
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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I think like probably like

1031
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 3: the power of the community.

1032
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 4: I think when anything is what I helpe people take

1033
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 4: from it, you know what I'm saying, Like I'm a

1034
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 4: product of the people who who saw me and and

1035
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 4: it spoke confidence to me, supporting me. You know what

1036
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,399
Speaker 4: I'm saying, what's next?

1037
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 3: Ship?

1038
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and what do you have left? Like what's the

1039
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 2: what's the north star for you?

1040
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 3: Truth? The north star for me?

1041
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 4: It's to is to like I'm trying to like live

1042
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 4: a long time, you know what I'm saying, Like and

1043
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 4: be productive and uh conscious, present, kind I think you

1044
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, Like that, that's that's that's what

1045
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 4: I'm trying to do.

1046
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 2: You feel just present and kind.

1047
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 3: Like take care of myself along the way, because because.

1048
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 2: To yourself as well, right, kind to yourself.

1049
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, Like like you know, because I got a

1050
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 4: lot of you know, I've seen a lot of people

1051
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 4: check out early, you know what I'm saying, So I'm

1052
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 4: trying to maximize the time and and like yeah, like

1053
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 4: like work consistently not like in a way that's crazy.

1054
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying not like a yeah, the

1055
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 3: relationship with the grind.

1056
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 2: You decide to work, be here to receive it right on.

1057
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 2: Appreciate you so much, Thank you for today.

1058
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 3: Thanks thank you, of course, imagine.

1059
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Speaker 1: Thank you Ryan Cool, our first filmmaker in real life,