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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Cutting the Distance podcast.

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Speaker 1: This week's guest is a longtime friend, John Gabriel. He's

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Speaker 1: the owner and operator of Apex Advertising. Welcome to the show, John.

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Speaker 2: Thank you appreciate you having me on. Good to see

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Speaker 2: your face.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, good to see you. People probably don't know this,

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Speaker 1: but I probably talked to John on the phone more

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Speaker 1: than any other human being in my circle of friends.

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Speaker 1: And why Well, I really like John. He's a cool

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Speaker 1: guy and we share a lot in common. If we

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Speaker 1: want to rant or rave about something, it seems like

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Speaker 1: we're always on the line doing it, but we actually

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Speaker 1: work really close together as John does all the graphic

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Speaker 1: layout of our packaging. Our show displays man tons of

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Speaker 1: our our graphics at Phelps game calls. So, but I

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Speaker 1: think I think you and I met like years ago,

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Speaker 1: back when I co founded an elk hunting magazine called

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Speaker 1: Extreme Elk Magazine back in the day. I think you

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Speaker 1: were kind of helping out with some graphic art assets.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, Uh Man, has it been that long.

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Speaker 2: It's definitely it's been a long time. I remember the magazine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like twenty ten, I think is when

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Speaker 1: I first met you and then you know, and then

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Speaker 1: like in person, it was shortly thereafter. I think we

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Speaker 1: were a bow shoot or something and spent a lot

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Speaker 1: of time over the years hanging out and enjoyed your

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Speaker 1: your companionship and and your your your take on a

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Speaker 1: lot of stuff. Now, John's just not a pretty face

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Speaker 1: and uh a wizard for graphic arts. I will say

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Speaker 1: he is quite a quite a hunter. And some people specialize.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I kind of specialize in elk, but

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Speaker 1: I feel like John's kind of a generalist. I feel

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Speaker 1: like he's really good and a lot of different hunting.

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Speaker 1: So he's really great hunting with bears, elk, antelope, deer, mule, deer.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: He sucks at turkey hunting, but that could be where

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Speaker 1: he lives, right, Turkey hunting in Montana is probably not

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Speaker 1: the greatest.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's birds all around. Well we're just gonna we're

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Speaker 2: just gonna throw it out there. I yeah, turkey hunting, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I suck at it. I am me in Turkey's we

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Speaker 2: just don't jive.

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Speaker 1: So that.

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Speaker 2: We're going to change that one of these days.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well you should do it this year. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: it seems like anytime you text me or call me

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Speaker 1: about in the springtime. About turkeys. You're like these damn things.

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Speaker 1: They're like all over the place, but just on the

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Speaker 1: wrong side of the fence. They love private property, especially

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Speaker 1: Montana they do.

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Speaker 2: I know. It's like always by someone's barn or like

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Speaker 2: something pecking away in someone's yard. Every time I end

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Speaker 2: up finding a big group of them. But I don't know.

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Speaker 2: We've had a few out in the woods, but uh yeah,

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Speaker 2: I just I don't know. I can't I can't figure

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Speaker 2: them out quite yet, so I'll be honest, It's not

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Speaker 2: like I've invested a ton of time in them like

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Speaker 2: I do with other animals. But maybe this year we'll

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Speaker 2: get a little more into it. So I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I gotta fill at tagged once.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think. I think if you put the

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Speaker 1: amount of effort into turkey hunting as you do everything else,

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Speaker 1: you guys would be slaying them. But I know that

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Speaker 1: there's other things take it priority that time of year.

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Speaker 1: I mean, bear hunting that's a lot funner than turkey

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Speaker 1: hunting for a lot of people, so and I know

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Speaker 1: you sure enjoy it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think that's kind of the one

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Speaker 2: thing that that time of year I'm going out looking

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Speaker 2: for bears because they kind of open it pretty much

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Speaker 2: at the same time here around April fifteenth, so it's like,

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Speaker 2: once that hits, I'm up in the hills watching the

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Speaker 2: snow melt looking for a bear rather than I am

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Speaker 2: chasing a bird. So I don't know. I mean, maybe

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Speaker 2: I should reverse that a little bit though, and go

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Speaker 2: spend the first week looking for a bird and then

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Speaker 2: focus on the bears, because I don't seem to find

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Speaker 2: the bear I want. Untell. I well, like this year,

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Speaker 2: I jug it out clear to the end of season,

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Speaker 2: so apparently I like waiting around on that. But maybe

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Speaker 2: we'll have to dedicate a little more time just some turkeys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, the same thing could be said about me

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Speaker 1: and shooting a deer, an early season mule deer or

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Speaker 1: an early season white tail versus elk. Seems like every

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Speaker 1: year that first week at Elk archery elk season, I'm

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Speaker 1: out beating around and I think, what am I doing.

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Speaker 1: I'm not hearing any bugles, it's hot, it's there's nothing going.

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Speaker 1: I'm just educating elk. You know what, Next year, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna go deer hunting the first week archery instead. Of

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Speaker 1: elk hunting is you know what, there's I'll probably have

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Speaker 1: a lot more fun or you know, it's it's something different.

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Speaker 1: I've never killed a mule deer with my bow. I'd

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Speaker 1: oh elk though, so I can see you know, your

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Speaker 1: priorities can be skewed a little bit.

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Speaker 2: I'm right there with you. I mean, it's like there's

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Speaker 2: been a lot of years when I thought about going

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Speaker 2: during the summer and like that first week of September

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Speaker 2: and you know when it opens and try to you know,

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Speaker 2: get a bucked in. But I always enjoyed hunting during

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Speaker 2: the rut. It was something to do later, so I

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Speaker 2: waited till November. Plus the elk bug. So like you,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I want to be chasing elk. I don't

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Speaker 2: want to be out dinking around chasing a deer. So Utah,

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Speaker 2: when I lived there was kind of fun because you

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Speaker 2: could actually chase them in August, you know, up in

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Speaker 2: the high country, so I felt like it never cut

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Speaker 2: into my September, so that was great. But once I

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Speaker 2: in the Elk game.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, well I don't feel too sorry for you.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about your game here soon enough. But you

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Speaker 1: had a kind of a wild story with your bear

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Speaker 1: last spring. I got this text and you're like, I

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Speaker 1: got a bear, but I can't find the dang thing,

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Speaker 1: and then you know, all this crazy stuff happened, and

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Speaker 1: then kind of don't walk us through that. That was

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Speaker 1: I'd made funny a little bit, but it was all

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Speaker 1: come from a place of love.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, that I spent a lot of days up

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Speaker 2: looking for a bear last year. I think I was

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Speaker 2: like sixteen days or something like. I had like total

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Speaker 2: like trying to find a bear from April until the

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Speaker 2: end of May. I ended up finding this big bear. Well, actually,

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Speaker 2: then I was seeing these turkeys back to my turkey,

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Speaker 2: instead of a bear. So I take off dive clear

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Speaker 2: and I'm getting set up on the bird and I

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, I'm finally gonna kill one of these things,

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Speaker 2: Like this is great, like I'm gonna shoot this big tom.

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Speaker 2: And then I look up past the tomb like over

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Speaker 2: I hike clear back out of there. Didn't even shoot

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Speaker 2: shoot this turkey.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know what, if Ryan Lampers is listening to this,

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Speaker 1: then he would probably be mad if you had to

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Speaker 1: shot the turkey, he'd be like, what's wrong with you? Man?

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Speaker 2: He probably would here. It gives me enough grief anyways.

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Speaker 2: So I hike clear back up out of there, get

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Speaker 2: set up, and I'm watching this hole. I sat there

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Speaker 2: had Kylie with me. We come around this corner and

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Speaker 2: there's this meadow down in the bottom with a wet

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Speaker 2: just like that skunk cabbage grass stuff, and it like

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Speaker 2: just a spot where you should see a bear feeding.

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Speaker 2: And I've looked in there and looked in there for

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Speaker 2: We come around, of course, she looks out the window

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Speaker 2: I'm being serious, there's a bear stand down there. Well,

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Speaker 2: because I thought, you know, I knew it was. It

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Speaker 2: and I can't find anything. So finally I find this

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Speaker 2: a total rookie move and I put the barrel on

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Speaker 2: and thirty six yards, touched it off, and all I

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Speaker 2: hear is Kylie, you missed. And She's yelling down through

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Speaker 2: the trees behind me, and I'm like, there's no way

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Speaker 2: I missed that bear. And I look and he's just

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Speaker 2: standing there. I'm like, oh, so Jack and Ochelle in boom,

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Speaker 2: I'm just hear her voice like echoing down the timber,

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Speaker 2: and I, of course, at this point I'm pissed. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: how did I miss that bear?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 2: He runs that time under this big tree and it's

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Speaker 1: So have a question what caliber of rifle we're using?

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Speaker 1: Right, Well, I was going to say, you should probably

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Speaker 1: look it up lots of there's a lot a lot

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll take your word for that. I heard I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah they do they. I mean, it's the deadly

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Speaker 1: You know, you've kind of like doubled down on your

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Speaker 1: I tell him that about my hairstylist. I'm like, I'm

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Speaker 1: sleeping with my hairstylist. Well, if that's my wife, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: actually nine days, and she'd saved her vacation all year

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Speaker 1: Well, you have, you had an extra, you had a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and so it was exciting for both of us,

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Speaker 2: you know, and something obviously I knew that was going

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Speaker 1: Cool, doesn't She don't care if it's four hundred inches

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it didn't matter, you know, Like she was shooting one.

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Speaker 2: But he's gonna dive off the backside and come looking

432
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,199
Speaker 2: for me, So he's gonna turn broadside. It's literally like

433
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,760
Speaker 2: eighteen nineteen yards from her, and I'm thinking she's gonna

434
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:40,080
Speaker 2: jar bow. Nope, so let's it walk off. And the

435
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,840
Speaker 2: thing walks right down to me, and I'm just like,

436
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,840
Speaker 2: why didn't we shoot that? And all these other bulls

437
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:47,320
Speaker 2: are kind of coming right behind and a bunch of

438
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:51,240
Speaker 2: rag balls and stuff, and finally the bull ends up

439
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 2: smelling us spooks runs off. I go up to her

440
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:54,360
Speaker 2: and I'm like.

441
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:55,280
Speaker 1: What was that?

442
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,720
Speaker 2: Something happened with your bow, Like, what's going on? Like,

443
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:00,240
Speaker 2: why why don't shoot that ball? You say, and you're

444
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 2: just killing anything? She goes, what's the first morning? She said,

445
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:09,399
Speaker 2: I want to shoot something bigger than that. I looked

446
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 2: at her and I go, you said we are killing anything.

447
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 2: And I said, now on top of that, we're trophy

448
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 2: hunting and we're twenty seven weeks pregnant. I said, oh, oh,

449
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,359
Speaker 2: we just added some to this. So anyway, so she

450
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,880
Speaker 2: lets this bowl walk the first morning, and of course,

451
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,440
Speaker 2: you know at that point then things don't go as

452
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 2: planned after that. Oh yeah, and it was hot, and

453
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:34,800
Speaker 2: I was kind of thinking, man like you just kind

454
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 2: of had like the bird in the hand and just

455
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 2: let it go. And so we hunted, had some good

456
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,960
Speaker 2: opportunities to close calls like the next like five days.

457
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,439
Speaker 2: I mean we had bulls, like honest making moves. Just

458
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 2: things weren't going right for her. One morning she decided

459
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 2: to do some logging and she shot like two arrows

460
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 2: at the same bowls, shot a tree two different times

461
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,399
Speaker 2: on the same bowl, shot another tree in another bowl.

462
00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 1: And she doesn't listen to this, she'd be so mad.

463
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 2: Told on her, Yeah, she's gonna be She's gonna be furious.

464
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:08,679
Speaker 2: So she literally logged the whole forest and uh, so,

465
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 2: long story short, we hunted and fast forward. She made

466
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,400
Speaker 2: it like the whole week. So it was like day

467
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 2: nine and uh, I'm thinking things are well. She had

468
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 2: a really close call that morning and we had two

469
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 2: big bulls that came in. One bowl was just this giant,

470
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 2: cool bull and he had a broke off right side

471
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 2: but he had his two brows and then his other

472
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 2: side he had kind of this club thing going on,

473
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 2: but like like an eight on the one side, like

474
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 2: just his giant, huge, crusty old bowl. He was just cool,

475
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 2: and we almost killed him. And then she ended up

476
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 2: almost getting a shot at like a three hundred and

477
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:53,120
Speaker 2: six that morning. And then we had another bowl come

478
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 2: by us too. There was two bulls came in. They

479
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,440
Speaker 2: started fighting and they were like eighty yards from her

480
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,399
Speaker 2: and they were both really good, solid six points and

481
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 2: nothing happened. It's no shots, and so we walked back

482
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 2: to our packs and it was getting warm out. She's like,

483
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,360
Speaker 2: I need to go back, get some lunch, regroup, take

484
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 2: a nap. She's like, I'm feeling really tired today. And

485
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 2: I didn't think she was going to make nine days

486
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 2: period and she ended up making it. So as we're

487
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 2: walking back to our packs, we literally get to our packs,

488
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,439
Speaker 2: set our bows down, look up and there's like a

489
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 2: three fifty six point like walking by like forty yards

490
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 2: and neither of us had a bow in our hand.

491
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

492
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,160
Speaker 2: And I was like, are you kidding me? And I'm

493
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,479
Speaker 2: like like trying to signal to her, like pick her

494
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 2: bow up. She doesn't see what's going on. She just

495
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 2: stands up, bowl takes off. So we end up hiking

496
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 2: out of there. We come back there in the evening

497
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 2: because we knew there was a bunch of bowls in

498
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 2: that area, and it was about I don't know, five

499
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,440
Speaker 2: thirty maybe, and I look about twelve hundred yards off

500
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 2: and I see this bowl, nice, big seven point. I

501
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 2: mean I never laid eyes on him before. He's just

502
00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 2: a big old bowl and he only had two ca.

503
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 2: And we've been dealing with a lot of elk and

504
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 2: there's like thirty forty fifty seventy cows like every day,

505
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 2: depending on how the herds are mixing, and we just

506
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 2: had helk running all over, so it was really hard

507
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 2: to kind of get close, get a shot and that

508
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 2: night when I seen that elk with those two cows,

509
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 2: I was like, this is it. We're killing this thing.

510
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 2: The wind was in our face. We just had to

511
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,439
Speaker 2: go straight at that elk and cut down in these

512
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,479
Speaker 2: junipers and like climb a canyon up on the other

513
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 2: side and be perfect. We'll call them right in. She's

514
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,119
Speaker 2: looking at me times passing, let's sit and see what

515
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 2: they do. All of a sudden, it's like six, She's like,

516
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 2: I can't go over there. And I'm like, it's like

517
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 2: twelve hundred yards, Like that's not that far. We won't

518
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,640
Speaker 2: be there in like twenty minutes. And she's like, no,

519
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 2: it's we're not going to make it by dark. You

520
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 2: know it's getting dark at like what like seven thirty

521
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 2: ish maybe, And she goes, I'm not going to make it.

522
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 2: I said, well, you're gonna make it. We're going and

523
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 2: she looked at me and she's like And there's times

524
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 2: like when we're hunting together, like if people knew the

525
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 2: dynamic between the two of us, it's kind of like

526
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 2: I'll push her because I know what's she's capable of,

527
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 2: what she when she can do, and I know she's

528
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 2: pregnant and everything but it's kind of like, you know,

529
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 2: one of those things that like I know she can

530
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 2: do it. It's just trying to like get this point

531
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 2: with the pregnancy and convince her. And of course I

532
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,439
Speaker 2: didn't want to wear her out. And she goes, well,

533
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,360
Speaker 2: what would the guys do. I said, well, the guy

534
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 2: we had already been over there forty five minutes ago,

535
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 2: that thing would have been dead. And she's like, well,

536
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 2: I'm not one of the guys. I said, well, we

537
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,439
Speaker 2: call you, Kyle. I said, you're one of the guys.

538
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 2: I said, so we're going. So we take off. I

539
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 2: find the convincerr and I'd bugled a couple of times

540
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 2: at this bowl in the midst of this, and he

541
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 2: just would have cut me off, and so I knew

542
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 2: he was hot. We go all the way down and

543
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, this is like the slowest like I've

544
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 2: ever went in on an elk in my life. And

545
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 2: I'm literally like a couple of steps, turn around, Look

546
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 2: see what she's doing. A couple more steps. Look she's

547
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 2: behind me, and I'm just kind of taking my time.

548
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 2: We get down in this juniper stuff and we start

549
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 2: going through this kind of creek and like climbing up

550
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 2: this hill and it was nasty and I bugle. The

551
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 2: bull cuts me off, and I'm like, cat, we got

552
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 2: to shut up and just like get up to the

553
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 2: top and cow call like once we get up there

554
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 2: will get set up. And I thought when we popped

555
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 2: out of the trees and be able to see him,

556
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 2: and we couldn't, and it was perfect. There was like

557
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 2: fifty yards and a rise broke over and then you

558
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 2: couldn't see the elk in the meadow and are in

559
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 2: that kind of this flat, so it was perfect cover

560
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 2: for us. We get set up and I got her

561
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 2: next to this tree to my left and she's about,

562
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 2: I don't know, forty yards from me maybe, and I

563
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 2: get kind of down over the edge and I cow called.

564
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 2: The bull cuts me off, and I kind of peek

565
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 2: my head up, and all of a sudden I see

566
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 2: ears like the cows, the two cows just walking right

567
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,479
Speaker 2: at us. Here come the horns, the bulls walking right

568
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 2: at us, and I'm like, oh, I knew this was

569
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 2: just going to be perfect. And all of a sudden,

570
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 2: she's ready. The cows walk right into like fifteen yards

571
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 2: and the bulls at twenty five and just stops, rips

572
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 2: this big old bugle, and he's like broadside to her,

573
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 2: and I was like thinking, man, just draw back and

574
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 2: just shoot that thing. And the lead cow kind of

575
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 2: churned her head looking back at the bowl, and she

576
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 2: started to draw, and then the cow whipped its head

577
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 2: back around and Kylie locked up. And that's one of

578
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 2: those moments I think is like an experienced, you know,

579
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,880
Speaker 2: like bowhunter like, and she is. I mean, she's killed

580
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 2: a couple with her bow now and done it, but

581
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,719
Speaker 2: it's like not like she's killed twenty, you know, and

582
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 2: so she kind of just froze. And I think if

583
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 2: she just would have drawn back, it would have got

584
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 2: that split second where all the boat does elk and

585
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 2: the bowl would have just stared at her and she

586
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 2: would have got a shot instead. She just was kind

587
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 2: of like waiting for them to take the attention off

588
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 2: of her. To finish drawing, had to kind of like

589
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 2: let her bow back down. She started shaking, and right

590
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 2: as that happened, they take off and they start running

591
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 2: right towards me, and they start spinning and looping out,

592
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 2: and I start cow calling and I look over at her,

593
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 2: like thinking she's gonna jar a bow and she didn't

594
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 2: jar bow, and I'm like, crap, I don't know what

595
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 2: you know to do at this point, And all of

596
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 2: a sudden, she goes she just yells shoot, and I

597
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 2: was like okay, And so I just ripped my bow

598
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 2: back and the bowl I mewing like crazy, and the

599
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 2: bowl just spins stops quartered away, and I put my

600
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 2: fifty pin because I'd ranged a piece of sagebrush before

601
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 2: at forty four when they were coming in, and he

602
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 2: ran right behind it and then stopped and ended up

603
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 2: burying the arrow and ran off healing went like a

604
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 2: hundred maybe hundred yards, and that was it. So wasn't

605
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 2: like the most ideal situation, you know, with like her

606
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 2: not getting the shot and everything. But I mean, you

607
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 2: know it's dead.

608
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: So well, it's funny because you made a social media

609
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: post about it, you know, you kind of give a

610
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: thousand word essay on what happened, kind of a shorter

611
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: version of what you just said, explained and uh and

612
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: and everybody was reading it, and then pretty soon everybody

613
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: started commenting, you know, like YadA, YadA, YadA, pushed my

614
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: wife down and shot her. ELK, that's probably the truth. Start, No,

615
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: I know.

616
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just told her get out of the way.

617
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 2: I'm killing this bowl.

618
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: Yeah good, good hunting partner. So she was probably feeling

619
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: energetic and probably packed like a front shoulder in a

620
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: in a hind quarter and the rack out for you

621
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: guys when you were packing.

622
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, she did awesome, Like I didn't have to do it.

623
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 2: She was She cut the whole outc up, did everything.

624
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 2: She is a real chance, so true team player.

625
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's a trooper man putting up with all that man.

626
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, so no, we I took care of the whole Elk.

627
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 2: I didn't make her do anything, and it was it

628
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 2: was fun. And then the next morning do we want

629
00:30:58,440 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 2: to talk about that?

630
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: Sure?

631
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 2: The next morning was kind of the heartbreaker she'd put

632
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 2: in all this time. We had one morning left and

633
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 2: got up, We got in late, ate dinner, didn't even

634
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 2: go to bed. I shoot, it was like two thirty

635
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 2: three in the morning, and we ended up getting up

636
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 2: take off at daylight. Didn't hear a bugle nothing. All

637
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 2: these Elk hauld like disappeared. Not sure where they went.

638
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 2: There was a huge herd. She's getting frustrated, and I

639
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 2: was like, we gotta go check one more spot. So

640
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 2: we go check this other spot. I bugle bowl bugles,

641
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 2: come over the top, get all set up, get down

642
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 2: in on him. He's coming in, and then some cattle

643
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 2: from the ranchers. There's some cattle around the area. They

644
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 2: ended up get in the middle of the elk and

645
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 2: busting them. They ran off, and so we take off

646
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 2: hike all the way down this ridge. She's like, I'm done,

647
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 2: I'm giving up, I'm over it, like it's I put

648
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 2: in my time, and Mikay like, you know, like you

649
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 2: got a couple hours here, like let's just go after this.

650
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 2: So we all down Popa finally talk her into it again,

651
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 2: go over this hill and I end up calling this

652
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 2: bull in and he runs on a dead run, and

653
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 2: her being pregnant got her. If she wasn't pregnant, she

654
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 2: would have killed this bowl like instantly. And he comes

655
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 2: running around this hill head on to her at like

656
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 2: five yards and it's like a three forty seven by seven,

657
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 2: like just big bowl, almost like the one that I

658
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 2: killed the night before, and comes around sees her and

659
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 2: she couldn't turn her feet quick enough because she was

660
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 2: watching her feet being pregnant, she didn't want to fall over,

661
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 2: and so she didn't want to trip, and I totally

662
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 2: understand that the bull runs down. I stop him at

663
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 2: forty and broadside. She drew a bow back and then

664
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 2: he kind of moved. And then right as all that happened,

665
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 2: the sun was like right there coming over the hill,

666
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 2: and she like looked through her peep and I stopped.

667
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 2: And when he ran forward and he stopped, I stopped

668
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 2: him again. She shot, and she said that the sun

669
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 2: like kind of came right in her peep, and anyway,

670
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 2: she d up hitting that bowl ducked, but she hit

671
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 2: it right in a backstrap and he ran off. And

672
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 2: this is like the kind of the craziest thing that

673
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 2: I've seen in a while. That bowl literally had his

674
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 2: arrow or her arrow was sticking out of his back.

675
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 2: And I called him back into like fifty and then

676
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 2: he turned around and went down. There was another bowl

677
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 2: with some cows like I stand up spoting like three

678
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 2: quarters of a mile away. That bowl ran all the

679
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 2: way down there and started fighting that other bowl with

680
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 2: an arrow sticking out of its back and was trying

681
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 2: to just take those cows. He was so rutted up

682
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 2: didn't even care. But we should have killed two big

683
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 2: sevens in like twelve hours.

684
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:45,239
Speaker 1: So I mean, if you guys would have done that,

685
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you do at that point? Hang

686
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: up your bow like yeah we're done. Yeah, we've unaccomplishable.

687
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 2: I just want to quit hunt.

688
00:33:55,560 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't believe you, probably not. But then fast forward,

689
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: you went white tail hunting in Washington a pretty nice buck.

690
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 2: No went you didn't get a nice your buddy.

691
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: Got one, Nick Nay got one. I couldn't remember if

692
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: I think. Yeah, And then I shot the older season.

693
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: You shot an antelope?

694
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 2: You got did you?

695
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 1: Did you and Kyle both get an antelope?

696
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 2: No? She ended up missing a really big goat and

697
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 2: then didn't want to shoot again with being pregnant with

698
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 2: the gun, So I don't I don't blame her there.

699
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and then mule Deer season. What's your opinion

700
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,240
Speaker 1: on Montana Mulder? Are the numbers down? I keep hearing

701
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: numbers are down, like numbers of deer, and then maybe

702
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: age class? Is that that? What? Do you think that's true?

703
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 2: Yeah? I do. I mean compared to you know, five

704
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 2: eight years ago, like it's definitely changed. We kind of

705
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 2: had that rough winner, and I would say numbers are down.

706
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 2: I think there's still a few good bucks to be had,

707
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 2: but I think you're really going to work for him

708
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 2: pretty hard. So I mean I spent I mean I

709
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 2: hunted hard and killed a decent buck, but I mean

710
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 2: not you know, one hundred and eighty and s trophy deer.

711
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 2: But I mean it's it's a nice buck. But yeah,

712
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 2: I mean we saw some a lot of deer, some

713
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 2: good deer, but it wasn't definitely wasn't what I would,

714
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 2: you know, say, like this is stellar hunting, you know,

715
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,280
Speaker 2: I mean we're you know, like you would have had

716
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 2: We definitely need to make some changes here, and I

717
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 2: know that there are some changes coming down the pipe

718
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 2: in Montana where they're talking about moving deer season meal

719
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 2: deer season, I guess like into October and changing that.

720
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 2: And you can't really hunt the rut anymore, which I think,

721
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 2: you know, I'd be okay for that, but I know

722
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 2: there a lot of people wouldn't be.

723
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's kind of a unique, you know area

724
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: right now. It's you can't hardly hunt mealier in the

725
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: rut anywhere, you know, with the high powered rifle ye.

726
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: So you know, you kind of look at like what's

727
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: what's given but what's gained. Like you may give up

728
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:58,439
Speaker 1: that rut hunt, but man, in five years you're gonna

729
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: have incredible meal they're hunting again. So I mean, to me,

730
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 1: it's worth it, you know, being a steward and a sportsman,

731
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 1: I don't I don't mind kind of you know, putting

732
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: things back here and there to to to better the herd.

733
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: For sure.

734
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you. I think, you know, if we

735
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 2: did make a change, you know, and it's like take

736
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 2: that out of take the rut, like the rifle out

737
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 2: of the rut. They what they're proposing is you could

738
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 2: still hunt white tail, which there's a I mean a

739
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 2: pile of white tail for guys if they want to hunt,

740
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 2: you know, white tail here in which I'm all for.

741
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 2: But if you could take some of the mule deer

742
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 2: out and limit tags and you know, a handful all

743
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 2: eastern Montana, like, you know, if you could just limit

744
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 2: the amount of tags over there. A lot of people

745
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 2: don't see it this way, but it's like, man, even

746
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 2: if you only got to hunt them every two three years,

747
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 2: but you know, you could go out and like have

748
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 2: a chance a like a nice you know, mature big

749
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 2: buck and you know one hundred and seventy inch plus deer.

750
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 2: I mean, I would be all for that, but I

751
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 2: know a lot of people think that you're just taking

752
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 2: opportunity away and they don't get a hunt. And it

753
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 2: eastern Montana. You know, it's easier deer hunting, you know,

754
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 2: than other places than climbing the mountains in western Montana.

755
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 2: So I understand it, but I don't know.

756
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,240
Speaker 1: I guess yeah, but you know, like back to your opportunity,

757
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: It is like, yeah, you have an opportunity to have

758
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 1: a tag and get out there and hunt. But you

759
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: hear a lot of feedback from a lot of camps.

760
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 1: They're saying, yeah, we hunted hard for eight ten days

761
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 1: and we saw a three point a little three point

762
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: was as big as we saw, or a forky like

763
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: they're just not seeing, you know, and then deer numbers,

764
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: you know, we're way down. So in my mind, it's like, man,

765
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 1: it's a it's a lot of effort, you know, for

766
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 1: a lot of different people to get to that part

767
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: of the world, whether you're driving across states or if

768
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: you're a resident, even driving across that state to go

769
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: over there and have the opportunity to hunt something like

770
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: that that you're just probably not interested in taking home

771
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 1: with you. You know, maybe it, you know, maybe it's

772
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 1: okay to you know, do it every other year, every

773
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: third year to where there's the animals to come back.

774
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. And I do feel for the

775
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 2: non residence in a way, you know, coming over here,

776
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 2: because I mean I used to be one. But it's

777
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 2: like when you drive that far and you know, spend

778
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 2: the money, especially on a non resident tag, and you

779
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 2: come over here, it's like, I understand you want to

780
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,439
Speaker 2: fill your tag before you go back home because you've

781
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 2: invested so much. And I get that one hundred percent,

782
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 2: but it's also I mean, you could have a chance

783
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 2: to come over here, and especially as a non resident

784
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 2: now you're probably only going to come hunt Montana every

785
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 2: two three years, and so it's like at that point

786
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 2: if you could limit you know, some of the hunting

787
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 2: and change things for a little bit, man Like, wouldn't

788
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 2: you want to come here from an out of state perspective?

789
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 2: And you're like, man, I went to Montana and shot

790
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 2: a nice, big, solid four point buck or you know

791
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 2: some big mature deer. I mean, I don't know, I

792
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 2: mean I guess it just depends what you're after. I know,

793
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 2: we're all at different experiences and you know, some of

794
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 2: them like I'm okay eating my tag. You know, it's

795
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 2: like I don't really care, Like I want to shoot

796
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 2: a nice mature tear just like Washington. You know, it's

797
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 2: like white tails and stuff like that. Like I didn't

798
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 2: shoot one. I had one buck in particular I was

799
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 2: after and I'm okay, Like I ended up getting the

800
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 2: weather got the best of me and snowed out because

801
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 2: I was in a rental truck and stuff. But it

802
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 2: is what it is.

803
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 1: So yeah, well I always like to say I like

804
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: to be part of the solution, not part of the problem,

805
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: So that anytime you start weighing in on those kind

806
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: of things, like I always try to look through it

807
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: that with those kind of lenses and be like, you know,

808
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 1: is this is this solving problems or is this creating

809
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: adding to the problem. It's like, well, you know, take

810
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 1: my selfish wants out and be like, okay, you know,

811
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 1: maybe I don't have to you know, be you know,

812
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: hunt as much, or you know, I could pass up

813
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 1: or I give up a little season, or give up

814
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: a little this or that to to have a better

815
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: experience when I do get to go, so yep, but hey,

816
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: I want to switch gears here a little bit, and

817
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: it's time for the pendle and whiskey Q and A.

818
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: It's not just poured, it's earned. And I keep getting

819
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: this question sliding into my dms on Instagram and and

820
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 1: I'm sure you probably get them to what's your workout routine? No,

821
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: just kidding. On Instagram, I'm listed as a fitness model, yes,

822
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: but I'm pretty sure nobody's going to ask me for

823
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: my workout routine. But the question is, and I've got

824
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: this one for years, how do I get into the

825
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: hunting industry? What's your take on that?

826
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 2: John Man, I've definitely got that question a lot too,

827
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 2: especially doing what I do for work. Man, that that

828
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 2: is a very loaded question. And I guess let's kind

829
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 2: of like start here, like, are you just wanting to

830
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 2: get into the hunting industry because you see guys and

831
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 2: you think that all we do is hunt, and we

832
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:58,399
Speaker 2: go on these hunts and get all this free gear

833
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 2: and get all this big honey, or are you wanting

834
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 2: to get into the hunting industry because it's your passion

835
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 2: and you want to go work for a company and

836
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 2: like make your career out of that. So it's something

837
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 2: you want to do for the next thirty years and retire,

838
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 2: you know. So I guess let's kind of like dive

839
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 2: down the one rabbit hole. Because I started my business

840
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 2: almost fourteen years ago and maybe longer somewhere in that ballpark.

841
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 2: I was doing stuff before that, but officially with my business.

842
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 2: But yeah, you know, it was kind of like I

843
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 2: wanted to be in the industry because I saw that

844
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 2: and I thought, oh man, all these guys get to

845
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 2: go hunt for a living and they're going on all

846
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 2: these big extravagant hunts, all this free gear, free bows

847
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 2: and you know sites and all you name it, you know,

848
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 2: out calls like whatever. It was like, that's kind of

849
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,760
Speaker 2: how I perceived it, I guess, you know, in the beginning.

850
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 2: And the one thing that I will say all these

851
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 2: years later down the road, yeah, I work way more

852
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 2: now than I probably would if I just worked a

853
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 2: nine to five somewhere and hunts to clock and just

854
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 2: went and decided to go and you know, hunt and

855
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 2: enjoy my time hunting. Are there perks of being in

856
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 2: the industry? Yeah? Sure, I mean there's times you might

857
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 2: get a you know, call and get a free bow

858
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 2: or get this or you know, some free gear here

859
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 2: and there, but that also comes at a cost because

860
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 2: you know, it's like one of those things that now

861
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 2: those companies generally want something in return, and so you

862
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 2: go on a hunt or go to the archery range

863
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 2: or you're at home, and you know you have to

864
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 2: go and provide and produce this content for them because

865
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 2: they want that in return to help promote the product.

866
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 2: So now you've just added another layer of work to

867
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 2: your career in the hunting industry per se. And so

868
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 2: you really can stack it up in a hurry to

869
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 2: where you're not just hunting. I mean, how many times

870
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 2: have we been in the woods and you know it's like, oh, hey,

871
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 2: we got to get that this shot for so and so,

872
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 2: we got to hold on, we got to get this

873
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 2: video for them, we got to do this. And it's

874
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 2: like you spend a lot more time working than necessarily not.

875
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 2: But I think if you want to get in the

876
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 2: hunting industry and like you just wanted to be like

877
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 2: a part of it, there's I've met so many great people.

878
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 2: I mean obviously yourself and I mean, you know you've

879
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,240
Speaker 2: been one of my best friendships, you know, for years.

880
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 2: And it's like there's a lot of good people that

881
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 2: we've met, you know, and Jason and you know, Phelps

882
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,919
Speaker 2: and I mean, Chris Pass going. I mean, we could

883
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 2: go down the list and start naming people, but it's

884
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 2: like so many great people in different states, and you

885
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 2: know that we all come together and I feel like

886
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 2: we go to these shows and we don't always get

887
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 2: to see each other throughout the year, and we end

888
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 2: up going to the Hunt Expo in Salt Lake or

889
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 2: like these other shows just to like get in one

890
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 2: room together to be able to go and you know,

891
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 2: have a good time, have dinner together. But that side

892
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 2: the hunting industry, it's like, I don't know, are people

893
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 2: wanting to be in it for the friendships. Are they

894
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 2: wanting to be in it because they think that they

895
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 2: just get it's like this glamorous thing that they get

896
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,879
Speaker 2: a hunt all the time and get all this free

897
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 2: stuff because I mean we still pay for our own

898
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 2: stuff at times, so you know, it's like not a

899
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 2: not just this gravy train of I want to be

900
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 2: in it, but if you do it for the right reasons,

901
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 2: I mean, there's definitely some good to come from it.

902
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,720
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I definitely I agree. Yeah the first thing, Yeah,

903
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: you nailed it, Like define what you're trying to get

904
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: out of it? Are you trying to have a career,

905
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,280
Speaker 1: like just a nine to five job in the hunting industry?

906
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,240
Speaker 1: You're like, well, I got to work for some industry,

907
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 1: do I I might as well be in the hunting

908
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: industry because I like that kind of stuff. Do you think, Oh,

909
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I want to get into the hunting industry

910
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: because I love to hunt. I have a passionate hunt.

911
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 1: I really really like hunting, and I want to do

912
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: it for a living. So you have to like like

913
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: quantify like that's a very okay, that's like the very

914
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: entry level like thought process, like I really love it,

915
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 1: I want to do it for a living. Well, you

916
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,720
Speaker 1: have to like consider like how is how is someone

917
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: going to pay you for you to go hunting? And

918
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,280
Speaker 1: because you love hunting, Like it's kind of a funny

919
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:39,439
Speaker 1: loaded question. It's like you have to like look beyond that, like, well, yeah,

920
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: we all love hunting. I mean there's not a single

921
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: person that goes hunting consistently that doesn't love hunting. So

922
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 1: you have to kind of figure out like, Okay, well,

923
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: what is it that I can bring to the table

924
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: to get paid for or get compensated for. I think

925
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 1: people look, they I think they watch outdoor TV a lot,

926
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: you know, and they'll they'll watch all these hunting TV

927
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,879
Speaker 1: shows and you know, all the different characters and and

928
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, yeah, you know that those guys just man,

929
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: they have so much fun and they go kill stuff,

930
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: and you know, they wrap all these brands and stuff.

931
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: But like you said, you know, you get all this

932
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: gear or sponsors or stuff. You have deliverables, right, you

933
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 1: have you know XYZ. You have to provide photos, you

934
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: have to provide content, you have to provide you have

935
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: to use their stuff. Like what if you make a

936
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 1: commitment and you're like, ah, yeah, I'm gonna use your

937
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: stuff and you start using it, You're like, oh, this

938
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:39,280
Speaker 1: is trash. I hate this x y Z fabric, soften

939
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: or whatever you know that you're trying to use for

940
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: your hunt. You're like, oh, but you're locked in. You

941
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,399
Speaker 1: said you'd do it. You have to do it when

942
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: you're hunting. That kind of that takes away. It's like, Okay,

943
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 1: now it's a job. Right, So, I mean there's a

944
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: lot of things to think about there.

945
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, And to add to that, I think, like one thing,

946
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 2: you know, it's like there's so many kids out there

947
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 2: nowadays too that have a camera and you know, it's

948
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 2: kind of like a major league baseball player or a

949
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 2: football player, like professional like whatever. It's like, you know,

950
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 2: when you're smaller, you start and you know there's little

951
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 2: league and like all these things, and into high school

952
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 2: and then college ball, like in the pot starts getting

953
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 2: smaller and smaller and smaller and pretty quick to actually

954
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 2: make it to the major league. You know, it's like

955
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 2: there's only a tiny percentage that do it. And it's

956
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 2: one of those things that the people that have these

957
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 2: TV shows and do that. It's like there's so many

958
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 2: people out there with cameras now going around the woods

959
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 2: filming their hunts and doing things that the ones that

960
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 2: truly get paid. I mean, it is like this little

961
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 2: fraction that even receive any income. And so at that point,

962
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 2: it's like you better enjoy hunting because you love to hunt.

963
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 2: And if you're okay with just doing some content and

964
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 2: trading for a free bo or you know, backpack or

965
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 2: like whatever, all these companies now too. And I hear

966
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 2: this a lot because I work with a lot of them,

967
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:17,280
Speaker 2: is that they absolutely get bombarded with all these people

968
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 2: now like hey, I'll give you photos like I'll make

969
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 2: I'll give you some video content. Well, the problem is

970
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 2: is the more and more people that do that, and

971
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 2: now it makes it harder and harder and harder for

972
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 2: anyone to get any money because they're giving away their

973
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 2: money and product to so many people in return for content.

974
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 2: Now they don't have any money left to like pay.

975
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 2: So it's like if you think that you're going to

976
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 2: come in and just all make the most killer videos

977
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 2: and we'll do this whole series and do all this stuff,

978
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,240
Speaker 2: and you're gonna, you know, I want one hundred thousand

979
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 2: dollars check. And it's like, I mean those that's so

980
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 2: like far fetched to even kind of think that. And

981
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that to like squash people's dreams and

982
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 2: this and that, and because I mean it's like I've

983
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 2: been there one day too, and I think I've lived it,

984
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 2: and it's like I just realized that. You know. It's

985
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 2: like if you have a skill set or something that

986
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:17,240
Speaker 2: you can do, like myself with like designing and building

987
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 2: websites and those type of things where it's like, but

988
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 2: I'm actually like working with the companies to try to

989
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 2: help them make money and progress and do their thing,

990
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 2: but that I'm not making money even though people think

991
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 2: I'm in the hunting industry. I am, but it's like

992
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 2: I'm helping companies. Like, you know, I could do the

993
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,760
Speaker 2: same thing if it was you know, someone selling dog food,

994
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 2: you know, and like helping them do that. It's the

995
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 2: same thing. So it's like you almost want to go

996
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 2: into it and be like, hey, I want to go

997
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 2: work for a company like a phelps you know, like

998
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 2: I'm just you know, throwing you out for example. It's

999
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 2: like go work and learn what they do, and maybe

1000
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 2: the perk is maybe I get to go on an

1001
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 2: ail cunt this year and like go spend time or

1002
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 2: go do this, and like you kind of get rewarded

1003
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 2: in different ways, you know. So I guess it just

1004
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 2: kind of depends, like you know, what what you're what

1005
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 2: you're wanting out of it to and what you want

1006
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 2: to achieve.

1007
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: Well, I think that there's a big misconception that you're

1008
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: just going to get paid a lot of money if

1009
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 1: you work in the in the hunting industry. You look

1010
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: at the folks on you know, outdoor TV, like literally

1011
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 1: like the Sportsman Channel over out Door Outdoor Channel. To

1012
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: produce a TV show, they want a couple hundred thousand dollars.

1013
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not sure what the it is exactly,

1014
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,839
Speaker 1: but it's it's a large sum of money for you

1015
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 1: to put your content on their platform, okay, right off

1016
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: the bat. So then you go after sponsors, so the sponsors. Basically,

1017
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,879
Speaker 1: the the the platform eats up all the money from

1018
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 1: your sponsors. So and that's why I think there's a

1019
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,879
Speaker 1: lot of these like like literal TV personalities, they kind

1020
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 1: of have some money already, right, They're not depending on

1021
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 1: sponsors paying their their their their money to buy food

1022
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: and electricity and pay their cell phone bill. Right, they

1023
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 1: actually have money already somehow, maybe from working hard at

1024
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: in a completely unrelated industry. Maybe they you know, had

1025
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 1: some old money in the family whatever. A lot of

1026
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 1: I think a lot of those folks, you know, you know,

1027
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 1: they've found a way to do it, but it takes

1028
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 1: a ton of money. So outdoor industry. But then you

1029
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:37,280
Speaker 1: look at YouTube, so you're like, oh, well, it doesn't

1030
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 1: cost me anything, and YouTube will pay me. People have

1031
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 1: a huge misconception of what how much money you can

1032
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:48,320
Speaker 1: make off of YouTube videos. You get you get paid

1033
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: by YouTube per thousand views on your video. Okay, so

1034
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: every thousand views you get paid. Now, if you're doing

1035
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:01,720
Speaker 1: hair and makeup and maybe some cooking that has nothing

1036
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 1: to do with hunting, that just kind of domestic life.

1037
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: Those kind of people, they'll make anywhere from five dollars

1038
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:13,240
Speaker 1: per one thousand views to seven or eight dollars, depending

1039
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: on on what advertisers will pay. How do how does

1040
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 1: YouTube pay well that people put that put ads that

1041
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: the little commercials on YouTube, that's who pays them. So

1042
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: it's all a bid. Now nobody really knows exactly how

1043
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: it works, but basically these advertisers bid and they say,

1044
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 1: we'll pay this much for this for this kind of programming.

1045
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: We'll pay this much for our ad to be there. So,

1046
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 1: you know, I think that what you get paid is

1047
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 1: always fluctuated. Now, I have some friends that have a

1048
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: really popular outdoor hunting channel. He was showing me behind

1049
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: the scenes on how much they were getting paid. They

1050
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: got paid thirty three cents per one thousand views. Thirty

1051
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 1: three cents per one thousand views, So put that in

1052
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 1: your pipe and smoke it. I mean, that's that's that's nothing.

1053
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 1: I mean when you consider that the production costs. You

1054
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,320
Speaker 1: have to pay a camera man, you have to buy tags,

1055
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 1: you have to pay for fuel, you have to buy

1056
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: your food. I mean, you can spend ten thousand dollars

1057
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: if you have to pay a bona fide camera person,

1058
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: between camera permit, everything you're gonna spend. You could spend

1059
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: up to ten thousand dollars just for a non resident

1060
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: hunt somewhere. So for those thirty three cents per one thousand, man,

1061
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: you better have a few million people watch your videos, right, yeah,

1062
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: so on some of mine, I'll be transparent. On my

1063
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: Bugler YouTube, I think I've gotten around three to four

1064
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 1: dollars per one thousand. Now they're not they're not viral videos, right.

1065
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 1: You know, I don't have a million people watch my stuff,

1066
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: and I haven't put any real new content on there

1067
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:56,959
Speaker 1: in quite some time. But the residuals, the residual stuff

1068
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 1: that's on there, I get a couple hundred bucks a

1069
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:02,359
Speaker 1: year basically pay aid from YouTube. So not a lot

1070
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 1: of money, not, I mean, you can't even buy a

1071
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 1: non resident tag anywhere for that kind of money. So

1072
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: people kind of think they have this misconception you're gonna

1073
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 1: make a lot of money if you get in the

1074
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 1: industry and start cranking out content right away. One of

1075
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: the things I like to recommend is, and you kind

1076
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 1: of you kind of alluded to this a little bit

1077
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 1: on on your on your job and your craft, is

1078
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: become an expert. Right. I don't care if you're talking

1079
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 1: to what kind of industry you're in. I don't care

1080
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 1: if it's automotive whatever. Become an expert and you will

1081
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: find an opportunity. Right. So, for instance, I am really

1082
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 1: good with el calls. I've been elk hunting for thirty

1083
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 1: five years. The first four years I literally hunted every

1084
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 1: single day of September the whole every year I was

1085
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:56,760
Speaker 1: in high school. By the time I graduated high school,

1086
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: I had more elk hunting time in the most adults

1087
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 1: have in a lifetime. Right. And then it just compounds

1088
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 1: from there. Right. So I've I feel like, I don't

1089
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 1: want to try to come off conceited, but I feel

1090
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: like I'm a subject matter expert on elk hunting to

1091
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 1: a certain degree. Do I learn stuff every year. Absolutely,

1092
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 1: I'm always learning more. But I have a lot of

1093
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 1: reps and I have and I'm pretty damn good at

1094
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 1: using an ELK call. Now I found a spot. I

1095
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 1: work for an ELK calling company. There's there's my niche.

1096
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: There's my niche. Now, if you're trying to be like, okay, cool,

1097
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 1: well I'm going to be an expert, well you have

1098
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 1: to look at the industry and think, okay, where are

1099
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 1: the gaps within that industry? Okay, we have subject matter

1100
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: experts on bows, on shooting, our archery, on broad hands,

1101
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 1: on arrows, whatever it may be. There are some gaps there.

1102
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 1: Of course, that's the kind of thing that you need to,

1103
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 1: you know, to look at. Now. It can't be it

1104
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 1: can't be. It can't be something forced. You can't be

1105
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,439
Speaker 1: saying well, I'm gonna do this just because I want

1106
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 1: to all thes and the likes. You literally have to like.

1107
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 1: You have to be passionate about it. You have to

1108
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 1: be one hundred percent real. And I think you know

1109
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: that's why I've done well because I I live and

1110
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 1: breathe this. Whether I had a job working for a

1111
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,720
Speaker 1: call company or not, I've lived and breathed elk hunting

1112
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 1: my entire life. Back when I had, you know, maybe

1113
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: a week a year to hunt, I used that week.

1114
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:25,799
Speaker 1: If I had weekends hunt, I used that week. I mean,

1115
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:30,800
Speaker 1: I was always elk hunting and enjoying it. So I

1116
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 1: didn't really set out to like get an industry job

1117
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 1: in my life. I didn't say, like, someday, I'm gonna

1118
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:39,840
Speaker 1: get a job in the industry. No. I just worked

1119
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: hard at my craft because I loved it, and one

1120
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 1: day I got noticed and things start, doors start opening up,

1121
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 1: and I think you have to really look at it

1122
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 1: that way. But it's not easy. You can't just say, cool, well,

1123
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna learn how to use an up bugle. I

1124
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 1: can bugle really good. I'm gonna go get a for

1125
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: a call company tomorrow or next year. Man, I mean,

1126
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to work your ass off. You have

1127
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:08,839
Speaker 1: to work your ass off to get to that point

1128
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: of being an expert. And then once you become an expert,

1129
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 1: you're going to have to continue to work your ass off.

1130
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. And you know, unless you just want

1131
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 2: to go like work for that call company and like

1132
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 2: maybe you want to try to get your foot in

1133
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 2: the door and just like stock boxes, you know, shipping

1134
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 2: orders like doing whatever, or customer service or like some

1135
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 2: way to kind of work your way into it. But

1136
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 2: I'm I agree with everything that you said one hundred

1137
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 2: and ten percent. You know, I grew up working in

1138
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 2: an archery shop and that was kind of like I

1139
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 2: loved bows, you know, it was like I loved the

1140
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 2: idea of archery. And you know, I still to this day,

1141
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 2: like I have my own little pro shop, like in

1142
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 2: my gun room in my house because i love working

1143
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 2: on my own stuff and I'm super passionate about it.

1144
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 2: And that's I think one thing for me that like

1145
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 2: even I don't portray to the outside world, but is

1146
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 2: like my love for like tinkering and like the little

1147
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 2: things that go on behind the scenes. And I'm such

1148
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 2: a nerd when it comes to that stuff and tuning

1149
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 2: my bows and like arrows and like doing all that.

1150
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 2: But it's something that like I've kind of kept close

1151
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 2: to me because I enjoy it so much that it's

1152
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 2: like the one thing where I'm like, oh yeah, like

1153
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 2: I do this and I go out and I'll mess

1154
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 2: around with my bow and my gun room and like whatever,

1155
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 2: because it's like my like little hobby like my passion.

1156
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 2: On the side, I could talk I could go to

1157
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 2: any of these shows, you know, and talk archery all

1158
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 2: day long, you know, or guns like anything, but it's

1159
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 2: like the archery side, Like I could go and do

1160
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 2: that all day because I love it, like outside of

1161
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 2: just hunting. Obviously I love to hunt. But then you know,

1162
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 2: it's like like my business. You know, I was driven to,

1163
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 2: you know, figure out I wanted to build websites and

1164
00:58:57,600 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 2: taught myself how to do that long time ago and

1165
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 2: design work and all that. Obviously went to college and

1166
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 2: all that, but you know, it was kind of one

1167
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 2: of those things that I was so driven I want

1168
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 2: my thing, Like I wanted to own my own business

1169
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 2: so bad, and it was like didn't even really correlate

1170
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 2: to hunting at that time. It was like I wanted to.

1171
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 2: I was driven because I wanted to be so good

1172
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 2: at like designing or building websites or marketing and like

1173
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 2: doing stuff like that and like helping companies grow. It

1174
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 2: just like went to the hunting industry because I had

1175
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 2: a lot of passionate about it and there at that time,

1176
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 2: you know, I mean there still is, but it was like

1177
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 2: there was that hole that niche and I found my

1178
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 2: niche and you know, did it and went for it,

1179
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 2: and you know, here I am today. But it was like,

1180
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 2: if you find something that you're passionate about, you can

1181
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 2: kind of adapt and do that and keep growing, you know,

1182
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,919
Speaker 2: with your knowledge and everything else is times change. That's

1183
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 2: where you know, I think you'll do good and you know, succeed.

1184
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 2: So yeah, there's a lot of ways to get in

1185
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 2: the industry if you just want to be in it,

1186
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 2: if you just want to go work for a company

1187
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 2: and go to these trade shows. And you know, I

1188
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 2: feel like some of the shows like the Hunt Expo

1189
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 2: and you know, Shot Show and ATA and some of

1190
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 2: these other shows and Sheep Show and all these and

1191
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 2: I feel like people see it on social media and

1192
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 2: it's like a fomo thing. You know, they're like, oh man,

1193
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 2: there's everyone, like all these hunters are there and they're

1194
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 2: doing this and having a good time together. And I

1195
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 2: almost feel like like you create this fomo like people

1196
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 2: feel like they're missing out and they want to be

1197
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 2: a part of it, and they feel like they have

1198
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 2: to be in the industry just to like go and

1199
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 2: enjoy and like do that. And like I said, it

1200
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 2: is a lot of fun and like, you know, we

1201
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 2: have a good time in talking to people and meeting

1202
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 2: people and you know everything. But yeah, I mean you

1203
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 2: can go do all that, go work for a company

1204
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 2: and just enjoy and like have that be one of

1205
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 2: the purposes of your job and love life, you know.

1206
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 1: So right, Well back to that. Being an expert. I

1207
01:00:56,760 --> 01:01:00,120
Speaker 1: mean being as expert though is like an un and

1208
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 1: you say, oh, yeah, you do marketing and build websites.

1209
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 1: But what people don't know the other things you do.

1210
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 1: Like you're a professional photographer. You have to take stock

1211
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 1: photo imagery, so John does all of our stock imagery

1212
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 1: for our ELK calls, like like all that, Like you're

1213
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 1: doing that all the time. Video work, you know, let's

1214
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 1: say somebody wanted you to do something like some kind

1215
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 1: of video work, you can do that. Like there's so

1216
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 1: much that you have to perfect and be good at

1217
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 1: and be an expert on to make this. So you

1218
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 1: don't just be like, oh yeah, well I'm gonna learn

1219
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 1: how to I'm gonna be an expert at blown an

1220
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 1: ELK bugle. Well people don't know, like, okay, well my

1221
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 1: job not only do I blowing out ELK bugle pretty good,

1222
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 1: and I'm really good at talking to people about ELK calls.

1223
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 1: I mean that's just that's like probably the smallest part

1224
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 1: of my job. We film these hunts every fall. Now

1225
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 1: I may not film them, but I'm editing them. So

1226
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:02,440
Speaker 1: I have to be an expert at using Adobe Premier

1227
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 1: or whatever kind of platform you want to use to

1228
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 1: to edit your films with. Oh, there's pictures to edit. Oh,

1229
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 1: I have to edit those two. Oh, John and I.

1230
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 1: You and I work together on designing packaging, So I'm

1231
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 1: not I don't have any skills. I can draw something

1232
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 1: out on a cocktail napkin, but I can say, all right,

1233
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:23,440
Speaker 1: I want it to look like this, and then we

1234
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 1: have to have a good enough report to work together

1235
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 1: to find what works, what will work from your standpoint

1236
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 1: in ours social medium. Uh. Management, I've got to do

1237
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 1: all of that product product development, you know, and testing

1238
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 1: like it's. It goes way beyond just like yeah, cool,

1239
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 1: it sounds good, We'll do it like it's so there's

1240
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 1: so much to it, so it's like an onion. You

1241
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:54,479
Speaker 1: kind of pull it back and it's like you find

1242
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 1: one more layer that you have to be good at

1243
01:02:56,000 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 1: something written word, you know, Now, I'm on a podcast,

1244
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 1: so you know, I have to be able to talk

1245
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 1: about stuff with guests and find people that are interesting

1246
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 1: to talk to. So it just seems to never end.

1247
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 1: But those things are out there. There's ad those opportunities

1248
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 1: out there, but it's not just going to fall into

1249
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 1: your lap overnight. And honestly, you look at like industry jobs,

1250
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 1: you might look at it this way. Some of the

1251
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 1: probably the highest paid people into the hunting industry are

1252
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 1: people at a corporate level, you know, at upper management,

1253
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 1: who have a degree, They went to college, they worked,

1254
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 1: and they started out and they worked somewhere else. They

1255
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 1: probably didn't even start out in the hunting industry and

1256
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 1: finally got into the hunting industry because they like the

1257
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 1: outdoors or they like hunting, and then they spent some

1258
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 1: time there with some successful track records and they climb

1259
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 1: the corporate letter. Now they hold really good jobs with

1260
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 1: really secure salaries in some big companies. You know, those

1261
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 1: are those are jobs. Those are the kind of jobs

1262
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 1: you know a lot of people probably would like to

1263
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 1: have if they had skill set. Uh, manufacturing jobs, you know,

1264
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 1: whether you're you know, a machinist or a whatever, whatever

1265
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 1: kind of you know, stuff that you could can can manufacture.

1266
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 1: Maybe even if you're just packaging things. I mean, companies

1267
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 1: have to take it from the idea to packaging to

1268
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 1: putting it into a box and shipping it. You know,

1269
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:24,680
Speaker 1: maybe it maybe it's e commerce, you know, maybe you're

1270
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:27,440
Speaker 1: you're really good at that kind of stuff. You can

1271
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 1: you can make a heck a good heck of a

1272
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 1: good living in the outdoor industry, in the e commerce side,

1273
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:39,360
Speaker 1: or like you a designer, uh, photographer, film production, basically

1274
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 1: any kind of a you look at any kind of

1275
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 1: a normal business in any industry, those those businesses have

1276
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 1: the same support structure as everything in the hunting industry.

1277
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Speaker 1: So you know, maybe maybe you want to work for

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01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 1: a hunting company because you love it, but you have

1279
01:04:56,920 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 1: a skill set in accounting or what or whatever it is,

1280
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 1: there's a spot for you.

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01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that that's so spot on. It's like,

1282
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 2: you know, just like if you're gonna go work for

1283
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:11,959
Speaker 2: Boeing or Amazon or like whatever, you know, there's still

1284
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 2: jobs like that those companies offer in the hunting industry.

1285
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 2: So it's like you can go work for someone and

1286
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 2: have a great career, you know, just working for a

1287
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 2: company and you know, like they're in we you and

1288
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 2: I both know a lot of great hunting companies that

1289
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 2: are out there too, you know. And some of the

1290
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 2: perks that some of these people get it seems like

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01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 2: they get more time off and all this, and I'm

1292
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 2: over here just slaving away, killing myself with my own business.

1293
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 2: But you know, it's like people have great opportunities, you know,

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01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:46,480
Speaker 2: and they're gonna go do things. And maybe you know,

1295
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:48,000
Speaker 2: some of these people in two you know, it's like

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01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:51,440
Speaker 2: maybe they're they're they want to be in the hunting

1297
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 2: industry because they idolize some people and it's like they

1298
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:56,920
Speaker 2: maybe they just want to meet them and do that,

1299
01:05:57,040 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 2: and you know, whatever, whatever it is, it's like this,

1300
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 2: it is a great industry to be in, and you

1301
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 2: will make awesome friendships. And regardless of what level you

1302
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:10,440
Speaker 2: are at a company, if you went and work somewhere

1303
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 2: or doing it on your own or whatever you're doing,

1304
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 2: there are you know, some really great people. And I

1305
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 2: think that's like that in any industry, you know, snowboarding,

1306
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:24,800
Speaker 2: you know, golf, whatever you your passion is, you're going

1307
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 2: to meet the people and like minded people. We just

1308
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 2: all happen to really like hunting and spend a lot

1309
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 2: of time doing it as much as we can outside

1310
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 2: of working, you know, And I think that's kind of

1311
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 2: what it boils down to. But if you want to

1312
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 2: be in the industry, I mean, find your niche, that

1313
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 2: something you're good at, and then figure out how you

1314
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 2: want to apply it.

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01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:53,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I mean even I've seen guys get at

1316
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 1: their foot in the door with companies just getting to

1317
01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 1: know people at a trade show. They'll go up, they'll

1318
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 1: introduce themselves. One of our good buddies, Cody Wilson, he

1319
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 1: come up to the Phelips booth years ago and just

1320
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 1: shot the breeze with us for a whole weekend, you know,

1321
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 1: and got to know him. Just awesome dude, great hunter,

1322
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:16,920
Speaker 1: good guy, has a great nine to five job, but

1323
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:18,440
Speaker 1: he wanted to he wanted to kind of be part

1324
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 1: of the hunting industry, you know, because he enjoyed the

1325
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 1: people and and you know, and every year Cody comes

1326
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:25,480
Speaker 1: and helps us out at the Phelips booth, at at

1327
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 1: the trade show, at at the Honeyex bo in Salt Lake,

1328
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:31,680
Speaker 1: and we've built an awesome friendship with him. He went

1329
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 1: el hunting with me last fall just loved the guy.

1330
01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:37,440
Speaker 1: But you know it's it all starts somewhere, you know.

1331
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:39,640
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of companies they they need those

1332
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:42,200
Speaker 1: kind of help or you know at trade shows, you know,

1333
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 1: they get they get to know somebody there. You know,

1334
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 1: maybe they come able to come back the next year

1335
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 1: or to the next show work as an ambassador. Maybe

1336
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 1: they can even just maybe they'll even get paid. You

1337
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 1: just never know. There's opportunities to get your foot in

1338
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 1: the door. And uh and if you're a good person

1339
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:01,760
Speaker 1: and disguise the limit.

1340
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:04,440
Speaker 2: Right yep, one hundred percent.

1341
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, So anyway, well I think that'll be we'll just

1342
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 1: wrap it up with that thought. You know, there are

1343
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:14,880
Speaker 1: disguise the limit on that the hunting industry. You can

1344
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:17,920
Speaker 1: get in there, but you have to really be specific

1345
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:20,760
Speaker 1: on really what you're trying to accomplish, what do you

1346
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 1: bring to the table, And you know you can you

1347
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 1: can go along ways, just like just like any career, honestly.

1348
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:32,439
Speaker 2: So that's right, that's right. And one thing we'll kind

1349
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:34,519
Speaker 2: of add this caveat in there too, because it seems

1350
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:37,799
Speaker 2: like the YouTube thing, you know, it's kind of everyone

1351
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:39,599
Speaker 2: wants to have their own videos and be on YouTube.

1352
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 2: And do all that kind of a final thought on that,

1353
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:45,800
Speaker 2: you know, and keep doing your career that you're doing now,

1354
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:49,080
Speaker 2: you know, and and kind of you know, do this

1355
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 2: as a side hustle, you know, like it's your second job,

1356
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:54,479
Speaker 2: you know, if you will and start filming and doing things,

1357
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:56,880
Speaker 2: and you know, maybe maybe you just want to be

1358
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 2: recognized by some of these companies or get some gear.

1359
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:01,320
Speaker 2: Maybe that's like we kind of mentioned, like that's your

1360
01:09:01,360 --> 01:09:04,240
Speaker 2: thing and that if that's your thought of being in

1361
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 2: the industry, just do it then, like no one, you know,

1362
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:10,760
Speaker 2: no one's holding you back but yourself. So it's like,

1363
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 2: go out and achieve it. And all great things come

1364
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:15,800
Speaker 2: with a lot of hard work. So put in the

1365
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 2: hours and punch the time clock and you'll get there.

1366
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:22,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I think some of the you know, YouTube creators,

1367
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 1: they just they put videos out just because they love it.

1368
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:28,120
Speaker 1: They want to share their experiences and with their friends

1369
01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 1: and family and and they're not looking for anything other

1370
01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 1: than you know, you know, bringing that you know, bring

1371
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 1: enjoyed other people, and they enjoy the the the craft

1372
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:44,080
Speaker 1: of filming and editing. I love film production. I really

1373
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 1: enjoy it. Like now, going through my al cut from

1374
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:49,960
Speaker 1: this fall, I've been saying a few beadwords and it's

1375
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:53,200
Speaker 1: been a grind. But when you have a good hunt

1376
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:55,559
Speaker 1: and you can edit that thing up and put it

1377
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 1: out there, and just like I find it very satisfying,

1378
01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's really it's really fun. So

1379
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:03,720
Speaker 1: it has to be something you enjoy and it has to be,

1380
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 1: you know, something you're passionate about. So well, thanks man.

1381
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:12,639
Speaker 1: I really appreciate you coming on as always. We haven't

1382
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:15,720
Speaker 1: had you on here for a while, but appreciate it

1383
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:19,559
Speaker 1: and look forward to your your hunting season twenty twenty five.

1384
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 1: I always get to live vicariously through you in Montana

1385
01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:26,720
Speaker 1: because I probably won't draw the Montana deck again this year,

1386
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:31,559
Speaker 1: but I always enjoy watching you and your wife's adventures

1387
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:32,160
Speaker 1: over there.

1388
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:36,080
Speaker 2: So yeah, I appreciate that, and likewise always uh, you know,

1389
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 2: especially now we got the little one that's going to

1390
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:40,280
Speaker 2: be we're going to be toting around with us this year,

1391
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:43,559
Speaker 2: so that's going to add some new adventures in itself,

1392
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:46,640
Speaker 2: but I'll be living vicariously through you and Jason and

1393
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:50,800
Speaker 2: everyone else that's off traveling the states here.

1394
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, but well, I have a hunch that you

1395
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:58,880
Speaker 1: guys will be just fine with that little peanut running

1396
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:01,200
Speaker 1: around with you. I feel like you're going to have

1397
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 1: an awesome hunt and a good fall and real good experience.

1398
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 1: It's never too early to take your kids.

1399
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:10,599
Speaker 2: Hunting, never, I know. And that's kind of the thing.

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01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:13,679
Speaker 2: I mean, spring bear obviously, I mean she's six weeks old,

1401
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:16,080
Speaker 2: I guess now, but it's like spring bear coming in April,

1402
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:20,720
Speaker 2: because right now is what February fourth and Kylie made

1403
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 2: comments to my dad that we were going spring bear

1404
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:24,880
Speaker 2: hunting and we were taking her. And my Dad's like, oh,

1405
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 2: you guys might have to give up hunting for a

1406
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:29,600
Speaker 2: few years, and Kylie said, no, she's we're going, So

1407
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 2: I mean absolutely, it just just how we do things.

1408
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 2: But it'll be fun.

1409
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:39,400
Speaker 1: How did how did all the Native Americans back in

1410
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:41,760
Speaker 1: that you think about it? All these Native Americans? Of course,

1411
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:44,200
Speaker 1: you know, the women didn't probably go on the hunt

1412
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:46,760
Speaker 1: too much, but man, they were living like they were camping, right,

1413
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:49,639
Speaker 1: I mean, it was it's a rough existence and those

1414
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:52,599
Speaker 1: people were just flaying. They had babies and moved babies

1415
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:55,599
Speaker 1: and went across America. I mean, they were a tough people.

1416
01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 1: And I'm like, geez, we have it way better these

1417
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:03,439
Speaker 1: days with the I mean diaper. Yeah, I mean, you

1418
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:05,240
Speaker 1: name it. You know it's at her fingertips. I mean,

1419
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:07,680
Speaker 1: there's no excuse to not to get out and take

1420
01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:10,600
Speaker 1: your kids hunting with you and bet in the woods exactly.

1421
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:14,840
Speaker 2: No, you know, agree, hundred percent. So I mean we're

1422
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 2: looking forward to it. It'll all add a new new

1423
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 2: level and I hope it, I'll be honest, kind of

1424
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:22,120
Speaker 2: my my main goal this year is just to see

1425
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:25,559
Speaker 2: Kylie get an elk. And last year we have a

1426
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:28,640
Speaker 2: picture of her with my bowl that she's holding her

1427
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:32,000
Speaker 2: baby bump in the picture, And this year I'd love

1428
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:34,040
Speaker 2: for her to kill one and actually have like little

1429
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 2: one in her arms, you know, over the elk. So

1430
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:38,280
Speaker 2: I think that would be kind of just a cool,

1431
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 2: you know, like full circle thing, and that's kind of

1432
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:44,639
Speaker 2: my goal.

1433
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:47,360
Speaker 1: So yeah, you know, it'll happen.

1434
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:47,880
Speaker 2: It'll happen.

1435
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see it. Yeah, all right, Well

1436
01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 1: thanks again, John. We'll catch everybody on the flip flop

1437
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:02,080
Speaker 2: Can