1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. 3 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: We hope all of you had a fantastic Thanksgiving wherever 4 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: you may be across this great country or around the world. 5 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: We are ready to continue to fight for freedom on 6 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: all fronts as we return from Thanksgiving, and we certainly 7 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 1: hope that your travel would well, that your family and 8 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: friends are all doing fantastic and that you were able 9 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: to spend some time thankful to live in the greatest 10 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 1: country that has ever existed in the history of the world. 11 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: As we progress, unfortunately, craziness, zanious insanity continues to rain 12 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: on the left wing in this country. Buck and we 13 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: played in advance, and thanks to Buck for sitting in 14 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: on Friday. I know many of you were listening as 15 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: you were still working, and certainly a lot of you 16 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: didn't get time off. I was up in Ohio and 17 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: Columbus met a lot of fantastic Clay and Buck listeners 18 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: who are both Michigan and Ohio state fans. Had a 19 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: fantastic time up at that game. But everybody behind the 20 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,960 Speaker 1: scenes and the Fox Sports production crew working, I know 21 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 1: that many of you were working throughout the holiday season 22 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: as well. So thank you for everyone who kept the 23 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 1: country rolling and managed to not get a break. And 24 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: we certainly are thankful for all of you and everything 25 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: that you do for us. But Buck, I know we 26 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 1: played Doctor Fauci's final goodbye from the White House, and 27 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 1: the long goodbye has continued. And to me, the biggest 28 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: story coming out of the weekend using protests that are 29 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: occurring right now in China, and those protests are against 30 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: COVID lockdowns. While much of the world has moved on, 31 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: China has remained committed to the draconian Doctor Fauci led idea. Effectively, 32 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: this is what Fauci would have done if it had 33 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: total control in America of COVID zero. And finally, that 34 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 1: is the idea that anytime you have COVID positive cases, 35 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: you shut down entire areas. Buck, we played the audio, 36 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 1: if you remember, felt very dystopian of the drones that 37 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: were flying around telling people basically to abandon all hope 38 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: and remain. I believe that was in Shanghai. Do not 39 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 1: give into your heart's desire for freedom was what the 40 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: drones were saying. Yes, and so you and I and 41 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: everybody out there knows that protesting in America, Oh you 42 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 1: get to go on social media and put up a 43 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: hashtag and put up a flag, and oh, you're so heroic, 44 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: You're a social justice warrior. If anything, it helps your 45 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: overall credibility. It certainly doesn't buy in large harm you, 46 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: especially if you're engaged in left wing protest. Then China, 47 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: things are different. It requires a lot more bravery. And 48 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: many people in China right now are out in the 49 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: streets and they are holding up white sheets of pay 50 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 1: to symbolize a belief in freedom of speech and an 51 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: attack on censorship from the Chinese government. And we're gonna 52 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: play you some audio, but I just want you to 53 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: think about this buck because it puts our friends on 54 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: the left wing in this country in an incredibly untenable position, 55 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: because either they have to condemn the Chinese Communist government 56 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: for not allowing people to make basic decisions about their 57 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: personal autonomy, their freedom in their life, or they have 58 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: to acknowledge that also COVID lockdowns. COVID shutdowns didn't work, 59 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: because there are many people in this country, including doctor Fauci, 60 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: who still point to China as an example of a 61 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: country that got everything in their opinion right about COVID. 62 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: They envy the idea of lockdowns, of shutdowns, of barricading 63 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: people inside their homes and not allowing them to leave 64 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: until the virus is snuffed out, And so it has 65 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: become increasingly untenable. Even is like New Zealand and Australia, 66 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: which wore police states in many way associated with COVID, 67 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: have abandoned this idea, and now China is standing alone. 68 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: So your thoughts as you watch these protests emerge buck 69 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: and also on their degree of untenability in terms of 70 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: the challenges they put forward for the lockdown proponents like Fauci, 71 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: who still would shut down this country. I mean, I'm 72 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: not hopeful as some are right now that this is 73 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 1: going to be the end of shijianping, that this is 74 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: going to overthrow the communist regime. Authoritarian truly authoritarian governments 75 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 1: not semi want to be like we had here during COVID. 76 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: But the real deal, which certainly communist China, is they 77 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 1: spend most of their time and energy and security resources 78 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: on that issue of how do we stay in charge? 79 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:51,359 Speaker 1: No matter what. They're not worried about elections. They're not 80 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: where there. It's just how do we stay in charge? 81 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: So it's very very hard. You've seen this for decades 82 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 1: now in Iran, you know, every time, and the Iranians 83 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: recently even we're out in this reached protesting and every 84 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: time there's a moment we say, oh, wouldn't it be 85 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: great if this was the time that the Iranian mullah's 86 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 1: that the theocracy of Iran was gone? And it's so 87 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: far it's been, you know, since nineteen seventy nine, it 88 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: hasn't happened. So I'm not hopeful of this will be 89 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: I should say I don't expect. Hope is one thing, 90 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: but expecting as another. But the Biden administration response to 91 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: this for a lot of people should be eye opening 92 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 1: because exactly what you were just saying, and what we 93 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: have been saying here now for the entire time we've 94 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: been doing this show together, is that the Democrats, if 95 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: they could have gotten away with much more severe lockdowns, 96 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: they would have pushed much more severe lockdowns that they 97 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: thought the Chinese and even Australian The Australian version was 98 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: just the lighter version of what they did in China, 99 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 1: but in Australia they were sending people to quarantine camps, 100 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: all idiocy. Every public health official, every doctor, or every 101 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: government employee who did that should feel ashamed, but they don't. 102 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: But the Biden administration, Clay, I mean, let's remember the 103 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 1: reason the protests really broke out, and you know what 104 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: got sparked them, if you will. In this case, the 105 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: reason that these protests are happening is that they've been 106 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: under lockdown for months. COVID is at a all time 107 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: high in some regions of China in terms of cases, 108 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: and they just had ten people burned to death in 109 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 1: a quarantined building effectively quarantined in Shinjiang Province in the 110 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 1: west of China. They weren't allowed to leave the building. 111 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: There are reports it was oh your buildings on fire, 112 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: stay in the building. And when that sort of thing happens, 113 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: people have to wake up. No matter how dense the 114 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 1: propaganda has been. And in that environment, here is what 115 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: the Biden do you see this with the Biden White 116 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: House put out? Yeah, it's tepid and placid and weak 117 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 1: like we would expect from them. We've said, this is 118 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: the Biden White House that zero COVID is not a policy. 119 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: We pursue here in the United States, and as we've said, 120 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: we think it's going to be very difficult for the 121 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: People's Republic of China to be able to retain this 122 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: virus through their zero COVID strategy. For US, we are 123 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: focused on what works, and that means using the public 124 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: health tools like YadA, YadA, YadA. That's the best they 125 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: can do. China is a giant look, you know, it's 126 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: a giant virus concentration camp effectively right now in some 127 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: parts of it, they're just hurting people into homes. If 128 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: you leave, you go to prison and perhaps worse. And 129 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: the best the Bid administration can do is, well, that's 130 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: not what we're doing here. It's almost like Biden doth 131 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: protest too much, like, well, yeah, we know you're not 132 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: doing that here, but you kind of want to, don't you. Yeah. 133 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: And let's remember doctor Fauci said earlier this year that 134 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: he was in favor of what China had done for 135 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: their renewed lockdowns. This is a flashback. Listen to Fauci 136 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: praised China. This is cut to their complete lockdown, which 137 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: was their approach, the strictest lockdown that you'd never be 138 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: able to implement in the United States, although that prevents 139 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: the spa of infection. And remember early on they were saying, 140 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: and I think accurately, that they were doing better than 141 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: almost anybody else. But lockdown has its consequences. You use 142 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: lockdowns to get people vaccinated so that when you open up, 143 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: you won't have a surge of infections. The problem is 144 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: that the vaccines that they've been using are not nearly 145 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: as effective as the vaccines that are used in the 146 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: United States, the UK, EU and other places. That's not 147 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: even true, by the way, yes, side note, I mean, 148 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,199 Speaker 1: how much better is our vaccine than there's clay Well? 149 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 1: Ours doesn't work, so not that much better. And also 150 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: let's note what Fauci is doing there. He's changing the 151 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: rationale for lockdowns. We locked down. People forget this, But 152 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: it was fifteen days to stop the spread. The idea 153 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,839 Speaker 1: was we were going to keep if you can get 154 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: take yourself back so far into the past to remember 155 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: the initial rations because they change the storyline so much 156 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: in every aspect. Fifteen days to stop the spread, if 157 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: I'm remembering correctly, Buck was only about keeping our hospitals 158 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: from getting overwhelmed. Yeah, that was the pitch that they 159 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: made was we have to do this because otherwise we 160 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: won't be able to serve everyone. You know how in 161 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 1: some of these true crime shows and other things, they'll 162 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: talk about instances where they'll show that somebody at gunpoint 163 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: or whatever it may be, got into the trunk of 164 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: the car. And anybody will tell you any law enforced 165 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: and refresh. Anybody will tell you the moment they say, 166 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: get in the trunk of the car, it's go time. 167 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,559 Speaker 1: You know, if you have to take a bullet in 168 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: the shoulder, if you know, doesn't, it doesn't matter. You 169 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 1: never get in the trunk because then you are utterly 170 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 1: helpless and they may just leave you in the tri nuts. 171 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: It's horrible, right, but you just you never get in 172 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: the trunk. Fifteen days to slow the spread was the 173 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: American people getting in the trunk. Then the Fauchi Eid 174 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: apparatus had a We were at their whim. We had 175 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 1: already given in. They could extend it. They could drive 176 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: us to a second location and a third location. They 177 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: could do whatever they wanted to us. And that's why 178 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 1: they sold it under those false pretenses. They never really 179 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:15,319 Speaker 1: I don't believe that Faucian Burkes really thought it was 180 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: ever going to be fifteen days. The more I thought 181 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:21,079 Speaker 1: about this, it was just come on, just this one time, 182 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,199 Speaker 1: you can trust me, Just get in the trunk. I promise, 183 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: I don't want to hurt you. We got in the trunk. 184 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: It was the wrong move and I fell for it too. 185 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: And so far as I figured, look, fifteen days, they 186 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: say the hospitals are all going to be overrun. As 187 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: soon as we had the data that showed that hospitals 188 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: were never overrun. This was never a thing that even happened, 189 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:42,559 Speaker 1: not once, not once. And Buck, you were in New 190 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: York at the time. I obviously was here in Nashville. 191 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: So many people that is the biggest flaw of the 192 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 1: Trump administration. Okay, if you want to go back, and 193 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: I and Buck did, and we all agreed that Trump 194 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 1: did a lot of really good things for this country 195 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: in four years. His acquiescence, his willingness to go along 196 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: with fifteen days to stop the spread essentially put in 197 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 1: place the lockdown apparatus that never really left in many 198 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 1: parts of the country for years. And I saw the 199 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: other day where Gavin Newsom, did you see this tweet 200 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: from Gavin Newsom? Because I increasing I know he said 201 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:19,959 Speaker 1: he's not going to run in twenty twenty four. I 202 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: was going to bring that up a little bit later. Yeah, 203 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: we'll talk. We'll talk about that. But I saw this 204 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 1: tweet from Gavin Newsom and I just I mean, I 205 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: didn't respond to it, but I have it in my drafts. 206 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom said the Republican version of freedom banned books, 207 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: limit speech, live in fear of gun violence, take away 208 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: your healthcare decisions. Gavin Newsom arrested people for paddleboarding in 209 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: the ocean buck, He removed rims from basketball goals, put 210 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: crime scene tape up on playgrounds, and filled in skateparks 211 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: with sand I just hit reply finally. I remember that 212 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: I had saved that in drafts, but there's been no reckoning. 213 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,040 Speaker 1: And when we come back, I want to play the 214 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: audio maybe a little bit later in this hour, because 215 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: we can need to. I think this is so significant. 216 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 1: Fauci was doing his continued media availability. Hopefully he's going 217 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: to ride off into the sunset somewhere, and I would 218 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:13,679 Speaker 1: be happy if that could happen, literally, by the way, 219 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: because he's not going to go to jail probably, but 220 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 1: that's where he belongs. But if Fauci and all of 221 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: the Fauciites are refusing to acknowledge that they got anything wrong, 222 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: there's no wreckoning. But more importantly, it means they still 223 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: are empowered to potentially try this again if another variant 224 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: of COVID. Of course, they're still talking about this again. 225 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 1: People forget in the early days. I remember this in 226 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: New York City because nobody was in their cars. There 227 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 1: was a little bit of talk of wow, imagine if 228 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: we did these lockdowns for climate. I remember people were 229 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 1: talking about that. That wasn't some crazy theoretical as Oh, 230 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: imagine if we could all unite to save the world 231 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: from climate. They're not done with this. And by the way, 232 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: on the Gavin Knewsom thing, it really is like he 233 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: read nineteen eighty four and took all the wrong lessons 234 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 1: from it, or maybe all the right lessons because he 235 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: just wants to be a tyrant. Freedom is slavery, war 236 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: is peace, piece is war. I'm flipping things around. California 237 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: is the totalitarian nanny state future of America. If the 238 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: Libs are not held in check and he acts like 239 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 1: their pro freedom, it's complete. It's completely insane, and COVID 240 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: is just one just one example of this. Let's go, 241 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: let's come back. We'll do Fauci on opening up schools 242 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: and whether they should. You know, he's not saying too 243 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 1: much about too much, you know, Clay, he's kind of leaving. 244 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: Let's keep it his options open. He's also going to 245 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: be on CNN and MSNBC, probably CBS News as a 246 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: contributor one of them after he leaves. Guaranteed they're not 247 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: done with notice the little Fauci doll. It's not too late, 248 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: my friends, to get a better deal on your monthly 249 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: cell phone bill. I know Black Friday just happened, but 250 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: you can still save big bucks. You switch from veriz In, 251 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: T Mobile or AT and T and save more than 252 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: fifty percent every month when you sign on with pure Talk. 253 00:13:57,760 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: It's the cell phone company. 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You know 273 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: he's never gonna give you up. He's gonna be out 274 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: there telling you hold on. I have crunched the latest 275 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: figures and the data on the masking suggests that maybe 276 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: perhaps an additional mitigation measure. It's gonna be twenty fifty. 277 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: How will Fouci still be kicking and screaming? Then? I 278 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: don't know, but he will. It'll be twenty fifty and 279 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: Fouchi is gonna be running around telling you to do 280 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: this here. No, I was just gonna say, heads up, 281 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: we're gonna talk to Eric Schmidt, who deposed Fauci. I 282 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: believe he was in the room for seven hours, former 283 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: Missouri attorney attorney general now going to be a senator 284 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: from Missouri. I'm fascinated to hear. Supposedly, Buck, did you 285 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: see this story? Fauci got mad because the court stenographer, 286 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: the person taking down the deposition, sneezed, and he went 287 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: off on her because of the dame years of COVID. Okay, 288 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: well we have to hear that. I thought maybe she 289 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: was writing in a description and said strange smurf in 290 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: lab code or something, but apparently not. Here is Fauci, 291 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: first of all, love is Margaret Brennan? Why be a 292 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: stenographer for the regime? Like you're already being overpaid to 293 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: be essentially a news reader. Why not, actually, you know, 294 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: stand up for the truth for one second, ask a 295 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: real question of evil little Fauci doing what he does. 296 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: Here she asks him about schools. Anyone who thinks schools 297 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: should be closed at this point, for COVID has a 298 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: mental illness, not a viral illness. And this is Fauci's 299 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: non response response play one. So, coming out of the holidays, 300 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: should parents expect schools to shut down? I don't know, Margaret, 301 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: I'm not sure. When you talk about shutting down schools, 302 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: there's always ractive exactly, there's always the collateral issues. So 303 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: you have to balance and you do it in real 304 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: time depending upon the viral load of disease in your region. 305 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: So you have to have the local authorities evaluate on 306 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: a situation by situation basis the potential collateral deleterious effects 307 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: with the effects of what might happen if you have 308 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: so many kids getting infected. Okay, he is so horrible. 309 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:22,400 Speaker 1: There are not potential deliterious effects. There are proven severe 310 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: deleterious effects, especially for low income and disproportionally minority students, 311 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 1: and Clay, there is no benefit. This is the whole problem. 312 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: I get speak for every parent out here too. When 313 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: you suddenly become aware that your kids can't go to school, 314 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 1: it's a full on scramble. And I know there are 315 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: still parents, moms in particular, who bear the overwhelming amount 316 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:49,199 Speaker 1: of responsibility for childcare. The fact that Fauci's answer to 317 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 1: this question buck and this is so significant. I think 318 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: we need to continue to talk about this when we 319 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: come back, and we can hope cut phone lines on 320 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,919 Speaker 1: it too. Isn't we should never shut down schools for 321 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: COVID again in retrospect, never should have shut them down 322 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: in the first place is a sign that they refuse 323 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: to acknowledge that they got this one hundred percent wrong 324 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: and therefore will take advantage of the opportunity to shut 325 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 1: down again if they can. It's all about their power. 326 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: I want to tell you, speaking of getting your kids 327 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: educated with a different way of thinking. 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You just heard the audio of Fouci, 344 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 1: and I understand that many of you are so over Fouci, 345 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 1: and some of you just say, well some there probably 346 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:36,439 Speaker 1: are Republicans out there that say, well, I kind of 347 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,919 Speaker 1: agree with the Atlantic, we should just give amnesty. We 348 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 1: just got to stop talking about this. No, no, no, 349 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: there has to be a reckoning. There has to be 350 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: accountability for what hour and I'm using quotation marks here 351 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: experts did to us as it pertains to COVID, and 352 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,159 Speaker 1: it's not just what they did to us. This is 353 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: very significant. Doctor Fauci is still not acknowledging that he 354 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: was completely wrong on everything. You heard that question on 355 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: face the Nation, Buck, a honest person who looked at 356 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: data would say to you, you know what, Early on 357 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,400 Speaker 1: in March of twenty twenty, we thought that shutting down 358 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: schools would have a substantial impact on limiting the spread 359 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 1: of COVID. We were wrong. The negative impacts of kids 360 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: being kept out of school also was massive, and so 361 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 1: if you balance the equities here, schools should not shut 362 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: down for COVID. Ever, again, we were wrong on that, 363 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 1: and in the fog of the early days of COVID, 364 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 1: that was an error we made. I wish I could 365 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 1: go back in time and change that. I wouldn't suddenly 366 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: like Fauci, but I would at least respect him for 367 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: looking at the data and reassessing buck sports analogy. How 368 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 1: is that the Michigan Ohio State game I picked the 369 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,199 Speaker 1: Buckeyes to win. I'm sorry to bring this up for 370 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 1: all of our listeners in Cleveland, Columbus and Cincinnati, three 371 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: cities or I believe we are number one in in listenership. 372 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: I know you're still grieving. But if Ryan Day, the 373 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,640 Speaker 1: head coach of Ohio State, at his Monday morning press conference, 374 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 1: came out and somebody said, hey, you've watched the film, Now, 375 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 1: what do you think you'll lost at home by twenty 376 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 1: two to Michigan in the biggest game of year year? 377 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: And Ryan Day said, you know what, we did everything 378 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 1: exactly right. I wouldn't change anything in that game. They 379 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: would fire him on the spot. They would, because we 380 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: demand accountability from football coaches when they get their ass whipped. 381 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: How do we not demand accountability of doctor Fauci when 382 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: he created the worst bureaucrat led disaster in American history 383 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: with what he did in response to COVID. Do you 384 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:55,400 Speaker 1: know what the complete absence, you could say, the death 385 00:21:55,440 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 1: of accountability looks like communist China, what they're doing there 386 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: right now. In fact, the truly ultimate ends of the 387 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: eradication of all accountability for decision making would be North Korea, 388 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: where it doesn't matter. People starved the death, that doesn't matter. 389 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: I think the American people, if they had some better sense. 390 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, Clay, did you learn in school And 391 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,400 Speaker 1: I don't say this, I didn't learn in school more 392 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: than I think a few lines in a history textbook, 393 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: maybe in high school, you know, high school history of 394 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: the world, or something about the Great Famine in China. 395 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: Never mind what caused it, which was just socialist policy. 396 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:36,239 Speaker 1: But forty to sixty million people died. This wasn't one 397 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,199 Speaker 1: hundred years ago ever, hearing a word about it in school, 398 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: not one. So this is forty to sixty million people 399 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: died in you know, our grandparents memory. I mean, this 400 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: isn't that long ago, and you know it depends some 401 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: people listening would say, well, my parents memory even they 402 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 1: remember this. I wasn't reported on very much. Then, the 403 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,880 Speaker 1: same Chinese Communist Party that used hunger as a web 404 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: in after the massively stupid policies that destroyed effectively the 405 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 1: ability for the Chinese to even feed themselves. And that's 406 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: the destruction of all accountability. Here is a CNN reporter 407 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: out there at these Chinese protests, and all of a 408 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: sudden you're hearing what does it sound like when you're 409 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: at total desperation because of government malfeasance. It's the largest 410 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: country in the world. Right now, play club five. I'm 411 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 1: in the center of a protests in Beijing right now. 412 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: They're chanting that they don't want COVID tests, they want freedom. 413 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 1: They've been chanting this for hours. People have gathered here 414 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: in the center of Beijing to protest the COVID measures. 415 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: We are in Tayang District. This is the city center. 416 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 1: This is also where the authorities have urged people to 417 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 1: stay at home because the COVID outbreak is severe here. 418 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: Now the area is also important because this is where 419 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,400 Speaker 1: the American embassy is over there. There are many foreign 420 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: embassies over here. There is a heavy police presence. I 421 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: am surrounded by police. They're telling me to shift in 422 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: a little bit. And if we just turned the camera around, 423 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: you'll see there is a row of police. There is 424 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 1: mostly young people who have gathered here and many people 425 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: two things on this and I just I want to 426 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: people to hear that because understand that, and you started 427 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 1: out talking about this one. Every person who's out there 428 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: protesting this holding up a white sheet of paper, they 429 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 1: risk imprisonment, torture, mutilation, and possible death, every single one 430 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 1: of them. Because that's how communist China actually deals with 431 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: people that speak out against the regime. People were actually 432 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: chanting that Chies and Ping needs to go, which I 433 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,640 Speaker 1: mean they will kill people for that in China. That's 434 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 1: how vicious and authoritarian is. And when we talk about 435 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: why COVID was such a window into the soul of 436 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: or the soulelessness of authoritarianism, Clay, this is happening today 437 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 1: in the second biggest economy in the world, in the 438 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,679 Speaker 1: largest country by population in the world, and everyone in 439 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,360 Speaker 1: America just wants to go like, you know, people want 440 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 1: to not everyone, but people want to say, oh, you know, 441 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: we can forget all about COVID. No, we absolutely cannot 442 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: forget about what they did and what they still are doing, 443 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: and what they still will do in the future if 444 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: they have the opportunity. And that's why that Fauci answer 445 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 1: is unacceptable. And I just want you to think the analogy. 446 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 1: Sometimes you can go to sports and you'll say, yeah, 447 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 1: if a football coach came out after getting his ass 448 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: kicked in a game and was asked, hey, what would 449 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: you do different? And he said, we know, really, I 450 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: wouldn't do anything different. He can get fired on the spot. 451 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,880 Speaker 1: They would fire Ryan Day at Ohio State right now. 452 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 1: I legitimately believe that if he said, hey, I went 453 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 1: back and watched the film, we did everything exactly right. 454 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,400 Speaker 1: I wouldn't change anything about that game. Will you lost? 455 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: By twenty two? How can Fauci still be going on 456 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 1: CBS and giving out not only the same talking points buck, 457 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: but giving cover because this is important too. Fauci always says, well, 458 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: I didn't tell the schools to shut down. No, no, no, 459 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 1: there's no one who actually would own the choice. This 460 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 1: is why bron De Santis is so popular right now 461 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: because he said, this is my choice. I'm making this decision. 462 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 1: Look at what happens, buck. The CDC comes out with 463 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 1: recommendations right masking school closures, whatever it is, and they say, 464 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,160 Speaker 1: we're not telling you to do this, but we're recommending 465 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,439 Speaker 1: you to do this. And then all these stupid idiot 466 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 1: school boards they all had their meetings and they would say, well, 467 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,679 Speaker 1: the CDC's recommending this, so we're going to defer to 468 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 1: the CDC authority. And they just ended up in this 469 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 1: circular pattern. So where you get one ever said I 470 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 1: made this choice, this is me, I own it. This 471 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 1: is you know, all of a sudden, you know, the 472 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 1: CDC and this whole process. It was when the airline 473 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: has kept you on the tarmac three hours, canceled your flight, 474 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,400 Speaker 1: screwed everything up, and it's like, well, you can't get 475 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 1: mad at anyone, right, You're not allowed to get mad 476 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: at it. There's no accountability. And that's exactly what we've 477 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: had all along with COVID. Can I just tell you 478 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 1: New York City Mayor's office just put this tweet out 479 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: today today. Eighteen million, three hundred nineteen thousand vaccine doses administered, 480 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: eighty new hospitalizations, two thousand new cases get tested, get vaccinated, 481 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 1: more data. They're living, they're living in a parallel universe. 482 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: They're refusing to learn the most basically, So it's when 483 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,880 Speaker 1: we're talking about this, it's not like it's just, oh, theoretically, 484 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: this could be a problem. They're already are some of 485 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 1: these markers and indicators right now. I've been on flights recently, 486 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 1: but they've been a whole bunch of people with the 487 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,679 Speaker 1: tightly affixed and ninety five two I mentioned this with 488 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 1: the rubber bands. That's the next level. Now it has 489 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,439 Speaker 1: to be sort of cutting into the back of your 490 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 1: head a little bit because it's so tightly affixed, and 491 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,439 Speaker 1: then you're someone who takes the virus seriously. Buck, what 492 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: about the fact that if you're in Washington, DC right now, 493 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: they are demanding that you return to school today on 494 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: a Monday, with a lot of kids going back. I 495 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 1: got three back in school today. You got to get 496 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 1: a negative COVID test in order to be able to 497 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 1: go back to school in Washington, d C. Public schools. 498 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: What kind of insanity is this? The kids have zero risk. 499 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: This is our third Thanksgiving since COVID started, and in 500 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: order to be able to return to public school in 501 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: our nation's capital, you have to get a negative COVID test. 502 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: This is I mean, these people are truly broken. And 503 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: when Fauci keeps giving them cover, when he keeps refusing 504 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: to acknowledge, Hey, you know what, we got this all wrong. 505 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: He's like the football coach who got his ass kicked 506 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 1: and refuses to look at the film and pretends that 507 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 1: they won the game. They're selling completely false narratives to 508 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: the public, and a lot of the media is just 509 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: gullibly lapping it up and not even asking a question 510 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,439 Speaker 1: about it. And people people would rather be fired up. 511 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 1: I mean, and by the way, this is good we're 512 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: gonna talk about the crime situation because you know, I'm 513 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: in New York in particular, I'm so fired up about this. 514 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: But what you're seeing are a lot of people that 515 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: make decisions who would rather pretend to be right and 516 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: have good people suffer and continue to suffer than except 517 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: that they made mistakes and take responsibility for them. This 518 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: is this is a plague on its own all across 519 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: the country on COVID policy, on crime policy, with Democrats too, 520 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: no doubt, we'll talk about that and more in the meantime. Hey, 521 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: you know what, coming back from the holiday, first part 522 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: of the holiday, we still got Christmas and New Year's 523 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: coming up, and I bet maybe a lot of you 524 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: looking at your credit card bills saying, oh, my goodness, 525 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: what in the world happened? You know what? You also 526 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 1: end up doing a lot of times buying gifts that 527 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 1: people don't actually like. 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What do you do 553 00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 1: when all the data shows you that something is going 554 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 1: the wrong way, When all the numbers, all the facts 555 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 1: you can bring to bear show that the trend is negative, 556 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: and the people making the decisions just don't care. We 557 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 1: have had this with COVID. As you know, vaccines generally work. 558 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: They don't care master early and work. Clayton's pointed out 559 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: to me that China is censoring. I'd seen this tweeter 560 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: or this in Twitter over the weekend. Oh another thing. 561 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: Oh Twitter's gonna shut down, they say, when you get 562 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: rid of all these woke, blue haired, very sad, angry, 563 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 1: nasty employees who cry a lot when they don't get 564 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: their way. Twitter is better than it's. Twitter is more 565 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,959 Speaker 1: fun than it's ever been. Yeah, but I've added like 566 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 1: eighty thousand people on my Twitter following in the last 567 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: forty thirty forty days. But usually, I mean, this is crazy. Oh, 568 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you mean people can actually just 569 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: like what they like and read what they want to read. 570 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 1: What a shock. So that's all the data shows that 571 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 1: what we've said about Twitter is true. All the data 572 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 1: shows that what they've been doing on covid A is 573 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: a nightmare on Then we'll come back to Twitter as well, 574 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: because it's fascinating what is happening there. And Elon Musk 575 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 1: is he's not tired of winning. That's all. That's all. 576 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: I gotta serve it now, he's not tired of winning. 577 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 1: And you got on the crime issue, you know, you 578 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: see this all over the place I talked about in 579 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 1: New York a lot. We've got a great audience and 580 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: a growing audience as well out in Portland listening on 581 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 1: k X and Clay and I want to at some 582 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 1: point head out there. We might just head out there 583 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 1: for a fun weekend. We'll just go hang see some folks. 584 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: But in Portland, you have a business owner. You're just 585 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: talking about a business closing down after fifteen break ins 586 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: to the same business play thirteen. Oh do we have 587 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 1: clip thirteen going once? You're focusing on the fifteen break 588 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 1: ins I've had after hours, but I've had countless other 589 00:32:55,280 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: very dangerous interactions with my employees and criminals and you know, 590 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 1: mentally ill or drug addicted people coming into the space. 591 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 1: Nobody's going to go after these guys, and therein lies 592 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,719 Speaker 1: the problem is that the criminal behavior, they know it 593 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 1: will not be punished. So that is why you know 594 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 1: I had the last five break ins were within twenty 595 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: four days. They knew nobody's getting caught. This is fine, Clay, 596 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: This this is the reality in so many places in 597 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: major cities across America. All the data shows, and I 598 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: want to get in what they're doing in New York 599 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 1: because it is the people that are supposed to enforce 600 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: criminal law. What they're doing in my mind should be criminal, 601 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: the complete abdication of law and order. This is a 602 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: democrat mindset. And there's the same that the same mania, 603 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: I mean, the same manic doesn't matter what the data is. 604 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 1: It's like they're on some quest and this is just 605 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: the suffering. They have us with COVID, they have us 606 00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: with crime. No, no same person could look at what 607 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 1: democrats in charge in these places are doing and think 608 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 1: that it's not making the situation worse and they don't care. 609 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,719 Speaker 1: I mean, Karen Bass just beat out Crusoe in Los Angeles. 610 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 1: Karen Bass is gonna make everything worse. Yes, that's the 611 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 1: real threat to democracy is when leaders make poor choices 612 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 1: and they aren't held accountable for those poor choices, and 613 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 1: when they even refuse to acknowledge that they've made errors 614 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 1: and continue to march down the same path that they're 615 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 1: already on. You hit it at this, but I think 616 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 1: it's kind of a perfect metaphor, and unfortunately it feels 617 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 1: like something that's going on in the United States too. China, 618 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 1: for all World Cup matches is refusing to show crowds 619 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,239 Speaker 1: in the stands. They are editing out, so FIFA puts 620 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 1: out one feed the same feed that you watch in 621 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,360 Speaker 1: the United States, you see in Mexico, you see in 622 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,399 Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia, everywhere they have one camera crew that puts 623 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: out the game. China is delaying the rival of the 624 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 1: World Cup match in their country and editing out any 625 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 1: footage that shows fans not wearing masks in the stands 626 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 1: in Qatar because they don't want their citizens to realize 627 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 1: how the rest of the world has gone back to 628 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 1: living normally while they remain under COVID lockdowns. In some ways, Buck, 629 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: it feels like that is a reflection of what the 630 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 1: left wing in this country is trying to do with COVID, 631 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 1: in that they are using their allies in the media, 632 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 1: as you heard with that Doctor Fauci interview, to refuse 633 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 1: to acknowledge that they got anything wrong and not be 634 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:40,440 Speaker 1: held accountable for those failures. And unfortunately, those same failures 635 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 1: may as a result come back because we haven't seen 636 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 1: a true reckoning on those failures of leadership. It's remarkable that, 637 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,279 Speaker 1: I mean, you look at Florida and what happened with 638 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 1: Rhonda Santiss, Florida red wave, totally accurate to call it 639 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,920 Speaker 1: a red wave here in Florida, twenty point win for governors, 640 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,880 Speaker 1: completely mind blowing to a lot of people. When that happened, 641 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:02,400 Speaker 1: I thought ten points and that would have been a 642 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 1: huge wave. Twin points is a But he did the 643 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,360 Speaker 1: things here that were based on data, and the people 644 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 1: of Florida benefited from that. And every other leader of 645 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,360 Speaker 1: every other state and every other city should see that 646 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 1: and say, oh wow, yeah, this is a lot better 647 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:25,760 Speaker 1: for the people. But they won't do it. They don't care, 648 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,240 Speaker 1: and they convince everybody threats to democracy and big scary 649 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 1: Trump was enough to prevent any accountability on crime, on 650 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,040 Speaker 1: the economy, on the border, and on COVID in a 651 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 1: lot of these states, and it's just said they're gonna 652 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,840 Speaker 1: keep suffering. Well, and I think the Santis is reaping 653 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,360 Speaker 1: the benefits of first of all being right by and 654 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:47,280 Speaker 1: large on everything on COVID, but also saying I'm making 655 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:51,399 Speaker 1: these choices. Ultimately, that's what elective leaders have to do. 656 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 1: We elect them to make choices. We don't elect them 657 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,840 Speaker 1: to decide to defer to public health experts. And again, 658 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 1: all of that is in quotations who are unelected and 659 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:06,280 Speaker 1: have no actual consequences for their opinions. I want someone 660 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 1: who is actually on the ballot to be making these choices. 661 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,399 Speaker 1: We can't vote out Bauci, unfortunately, is the highest paid 662 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:16,759 Speaker 1: taxpayer funded employee in the country, the worst bureaucrat ever. 663 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 1: But he's not on the ballot. These other people are. 664 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 1: That's significant. We're gonna talk about that and more as 665 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,759 Speaker 1: we continue to roll on here on Play a buckt 666 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:29,360 Speaker 1: Play Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of truth.