Speaker 1: Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies. These episodes are based on.
Speaker 3: These are our stories done done.
Speaker 4: Yay, that's messed up an sv podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm Liza Traeger and I'm Cara Clank, And you know
Speaker 1: how we do SVU true crime. Sometimes I guess, sometimes not,
Speaker 1: and always a gab and then there's gabbing, and there's
Speaker 1: always gabbing up top.
Speaker 2: It's so funny because I feel like we're so insecure
Speaker 2: about how much gabbing we do. But anytime I meet
Speaker 2: any of our listeners at any of my shows, they're like,
Speaker 2: my favorite parts, you guys gabbing. I'm you're right, You're right,
Speaker 2: you know, so happy to gab.
Speaker 4: I'm also shout out to everyone I met in Europe
Speaker 4: and the sweetest. They want you.
Speaker 2: There, they want you there, They're requesting for you, they
Speaker 2: want the pod. I would love to bring the pod
Speaker 2: to Europe. Come on, let's.
Speaker 4: Say and in London.
Speaker 2: One of the women there, her wife was supposed to
Speaker 2: come to the show, could not. She's a CSI investigator
Speaker 2: called to a crime.
Speaker 4: Scene how exciting. Yeah, wow. The only excuse for missing
Speaker 4: one of our shows.
Speaker 1: The only excuse for missing a show is I'm on
Speaker 1: a crime scene. I'm standing over a body determining cause
Speaker 1: of death.
Speaker 4: That's exciting. Cool. So you did Amsterdam Paris? Like what
Speaker 4: is it like? Like Amsterdam?
Speaker 1: Even though I know they speak at other language, everybody
Speaker 1: is so fluent in English, like when you do care?
Speaker 2: There were two women in the front, confused as all ever,
Speaker 2: would not react to anything after the show full accents hardcore,
Speaker 2: and they had gotten a gift certificate to the venue
Speaker 2: and they said who.
Speaker 1: Was like the fastest talker and like totally using like
Speaker 1: colloquialisms like not exactly a good like ESL comic to
Speaker 1: go see.
Speaker 4: Or and to sit in the front.
Speaker 2: And then she was shocked because I asked the audience
Speaker 2: like who knows who I am? Like who's who knows me?
Speaker 2: Who's the pot? And she would and she goes, yeah.
Speaker 2: In my head, I went, what do you mean who
Speaker 2: would know you? That's not the right action and she goes,
Speaker 2: but then people didn't know you? But we got a
Speaker 2: gift certificate. I go, for sure, for sure, But I
Speaker 2: went out with a lot of our listeners. Afterwards, I
Speaker 2: went to the bars, I smoked some weed. There was
Speaker 2: like a you know, a group of eight to ten.
Speaker 2: I would say, oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And what about Paris, like I'm always some cute boys,
Speaker 1: and what it's like to do stand up in places
Speaker 1: where like people really don't speak, like English is not
Speaker 1: a mean language.
Speaker 4: Well, Kara, I would say.
Speaker 2: Ninety percent of my fifty person audience in Paris was
Speaker 2: women that went to France for work in school and
Speaker 2: found French husbands in state.
Speaker 4: Ooh, that's so TikTok.
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, videos of of like here's why
Speaker 1: it's better to live in France, like these ladies wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so and then a really cutey French guy.
Speaker 2: There was a woman from Finland who watched My Finland
Speaker 2: show got a French husband and then they came love that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, mostly American speakers that lived there, okay, I
Speaker 2: would say, And Paris was awesome. I was only there
Speaker 2: for one day. I got seventeen thousand steps and it's
Speaker 2: like me and Halloween horror nights. That's exactly how many
Speaker 2: steps I got it. And to be there in the
Speaker 2: midst of the jewel heist, so upset that they caught.
Speaker 2: What the Jewel Heights happened? I was there two three
Speaker 2: days later. I was there like the first or second day.
Speaker 4: The louver was back open. Wait, they got caught. They
Speaker 4: got caught. When did they get caught this week? It sucks.
Speaker 2: They got caught out one one was like on a
Speaker 2: boat or something like they were trying to escape.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they got caught unfortunately. You know What's like?
Speaker 1: I also always wonder like where are you selling the
Speaker 1: Crown Jewels of France?
Speaker 4: You know, like I know how arn't.
Speaker 1: It's like there's like kind of a market like the
Speaker 1: Crown Jewels of like a former like Queen of France
Speaker 1: or Empress of Frances.
Speaker 2: It's like, so I think you break it down? Or okay,
Speaker 2: can I just tell you? Did you watch the Accountant
Speaker 2: or the Accountant too? No, I've never seen the Accountant.
Speaker 2: Casey's Hands is up the best movie of the ever.
Speaker 2: He had some he had some art. He has art
Speaker 2: because he does underground stuff, the account and he's.
Speaker 1: Completely When you said the art thing, I thought of
Speaker 1: the accountant because it's like a safety net for him
Speaker 1: if he gets caught.
Speaker 4: He could he just has like these nice paintings that
Speaker 4: he can get rid of. Oh wait, we've talked about this,
Speaker 4: that's right.
Speaker 1: People use it and people have messaged us because I
Speaker 1: think we talked about this with the Isabelle Gardner like
Speaker 1: or isabel stay a Gardner gallery thing. It's like, what
Speaker 1: are you doing with a fucking you know, Monet? But
Speaker 1: I guess people are like, oh, yeah, I've got this.
Speaker 1: If you give me less time, that's a good that's
Speaker 1: a good call. Yeah yeah, like a argening ship.
Speaker 2: Yeah I didn't. The accountant seems stupid to me. Whatever,
Speaker 2: I will say. My flights to Europe I did get
Speaker 2: upgraded to lay down. I'm a really lucky person. I
Speaker 2: get to travel in Europe. They're delay six hours, way
Speaker 2: back delay seven hours, so it is kind of wow.
Speaker 2: That is the thing I'm gonna complain about. But I
Speaker 2: got to watch a lot of movies and the accountant
Speaker 2: blew my mind.
Speaker 4: Oh I loved it.
Speaker 2: I don't think Ben Affleck's ever been hotter, and John
Speaker 2: Barenthal is the hottest person ever.
Speaker 4: They shooting right now. I wish everybody could see it.
Speaker 1: Case he's like doing math in his head and is
Speaker 1: not able to figure this out.
Speaker 4: I love the action scenes.
Speaker 2: The amount of accurate shooting in such a casual manner
Speaker 2: to me was awesome. I loved it. I mean, Anna
Speaker 2: Kendrick was there. She annoys me, but not but it
Speaker 2: has to do with human traffic. It's very like fucking
Speaker 2: with immigration. And the accountant too, is really timely. But
Speaker 2: I fucking loved the account in a way I didn't
Speaker 2: see coming. I thought it was like, fine, whatever, I'll
Speaker 2: watch it before I go to bed, And then I
Speaker 2: was up for hours, back to back account and being like,
Speaker 2: why did John Barenthal say, you know to our podcast
Speaker 2: hottest guy I've ever seen?
Speaker 4: I loved it, I know, and Trinity Killer is in it?
Speaker 4: John Liftgow, John Lithgow, I finished Dexter.
Speaker 2: Wait did you see the spin or not? Or am
Speaker 2: I being so crazy and intricate? Okay, if you if
Speaker 2: you guys you don't watch spoilers, give me a minute,
Speaker 2: give me a minute. It's the scene where you know,
Speaker 2: he doesn't know it's twins yet and he brings Daniel Bastaschian.
Speaker 1: What's his name, it's dust Melchin. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: So when he's in the kitchen and then he switches
Speaker 2: the drinks and then the guy falls and then after
Speaker 2: Dexter spins and it's like, oh, who's the smart guy now?
Speaker 4: And I like love that spin. That spin is like
Speaker 4: everything because then you told me, you.
Speaker 1: Me going, did you see the spin? And I go,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm at this part. I don't know
Speaker 1: what the spin is, Like I didn't.
Speaker 2: Well, I knew you had seen it because you knew
Speaker 2: the twists that there's the Gemini killer. Yeah, so I
Speaker 2: knew you had seen it, but just in case, I
Speaker 2: didn't want to ruin it. But it's when he like
Speaker 2: gets him in the kitchen and like he's just proud
Speaker 2: of himself.
Speaker 4: Yeah back, he's back.
Speaker 1: Baby, And I was happy I got to see the
Speaker 1: dance I got.
Speaker 4: I got to I feel like, I, oh, yeah back.
Speaker 1: I have to go back and listen to the Kadia
Speaker 1: Saraf interview so that I can like put everything together
Speaker 1: since I had been like I was an episode in
Speaker 1: when we interviewed her.
Speaker 2: But I really like that nothing ruined it for you,
Speaker 2: because I was like, oh, the slides and this and that,
Speaker 2: and I'm glad nothing like penetrating.
Speaker 1: And it was like weird things were coming back to
Speaker 1: me as I was watching them like Jesus, I texted
Speaker 1: you this, but like the fucking New York Ripper photos
Speaker 1: were Now, do that is that season two? Or do
Speaker 1: we think we're just putting that to bed where they
Speaker 1: find them. No, they have to go get him. They
Speaker 1: have to go get him. I want Dexter to go
Speaker 1: to Minnisoona, Wisconsin. I want Dexter in Wisconsin. He's gotta
Speaker 1: find Eric stone Street. I want him in Wisconsin so bad.
Speaker 4: And then I want the women of Wisconsin meet him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and then I want the detectives to go
Speaker 2: for the Ripper, get the Ripper or something.
Speaker 4: But they're gonna go after Dexter. The slides are missing
Speaker 4: Eric stone Streets Emmy, Emmy, but yeah, but his he's
Speaker 4: like m O.
Speaker 1: Like somebody wrote into Who's the Bitch? And was like,
Speaker 1: am I a bitch? Because I was walking in my
Speaker 1: neighborhood and this guy like fell over with his bike
Speaker 1: and was like I'm hurt And she said I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna help you, and or she said can I call
Speaker 1: someone for you? Are you okay? And he kept being
Speaker 1: like yeah, I just can't get up. Can you help
Speaker 1: me up? And she was like I'm not gonna go
Speaker 1: over there because you could attack me. And like she
Speaker 1: was like, am I being the bitch? I was like,
Speaker 1: are you being the smartest person in the world. No,
Speaker 1: you're not a bitch, Like I could not believe.
Speaker 4: Like it was exactly like how he getting now I'm
Speaker 4: getting chills. I'm like upset. Yeah, yeah, men don't ask
Speaker 4: women for her.
Speaker 1: And I was like, she was like, I can call
Speaker 1: someone for you. My husband's up the road, like she
Speaker 1: was walking in her neighborhood. But it's kind of like
Speaker 1: a rural area I think of Michigan or something like
Speaker 1: not rural, but like a little bit country.
Speaker 4: So scary and so.
Speaker 2: And I was like, I wonder if it's someone that
Speaker 2: listens to both the podcasts or not, because that oh,
Speaker 2: a lot of people.
Speaker 4: But I bet it's someone because that is that is
Speaker 4: so creepy.
Speaker 1: And this this came in but way before I watched
Speaker 1: Exter like any of that, you know, like, and I
Speaker 1: was like crazy, but and she was like, yeah, the
Speaker 1: guy was just like I can't get my bike. It's
Speaker 1: like what a bike's weigh like max forty pounds, Like
Speaker 1: get the bike off of you, Like unless you're truly
Speaker 1: paralyzed or something like.
Speaker 4: It sounded so scary, like the way she we were, well, yeah,
Speaker 4: I had a scary moment, and it's what we talk
Speaker 4: about on this podcast all the time. But so you know,
Speaker 4: I'm an art fiend.
Speaker 2: And if anyone has not looked at my instagram Simpsons
Speaker 2: National Ireland Gallery column art, Oh my god.
Speaker 4: I went through it.
Speaker 1: It looked like it took so much time and it
Speaker 1: was great and I don't even know the references like
Speaker 1: to the Simpsons, but I was like, wow, these are good, like.
Speaker 4: My favorite part. It is truly the greatest thing.
Speaker 2: Our friend Lauren is putting it in her jam newsletter.
Speaker 4: So art, but we'll be.
Speaker 2: Seeing it, but gotta get it out to the people.
Speaker 2: But that was on my second day, and I, oh,
Speaker 2: the Oscar Wild statue. I fully started bowling. It's the
Speaker 2: coolest statue I've ever seen in my life. Really, have
Speaker 2: you ever seen it? Like it's green and pink and
Speaker 2: he's making it's the best statue I've ever seen and
Speaker 2: it's by the Art Museum.
Speaker 4: I did cry. I was like so happy.
Speaker 2: But anyways, the Simpsons thing, that's what everyone keeps asking
Speaker 2: how long it took? And it was about six to
Speaker 2: seven hours, but like I had a flight that day,
Speaker 2: so like after the museum, I had like a lunch
Speaker 2: by myself, So I started it while I was like
Speaker 2: eating by myself or dinner or whatever. And then I
Speaker 2: did it in the uber to the airport while sitting
Speaker 2: at the airport, and then I edited it a bunch
Speaker 2: of it on the flight, and then I checked into
Speaker 2: my hotel and the uber to the hotel in London,
Speaker 2: I was doing it, and then I sat at the
Speaker 2: hotel bar for two hours finishing it.
Speaker 4: Okay, when I got back, when.
Speaker 1: You're like, okay, I got this. I got this picture
Speaker 1: of like a child holding a lamb. Are you like, oh,
Speaker 1: there's that episode Lisa has a lamb? Or were you
Speaker 1: googling like Lisa lambasas a lamb? What's the process?
Speaker 2: The first thing that caught my eye it was a
Speaker 2: sketch of like a woman in a pinkish dress, and
Speaker 2: that's what made me think of Marge's episode with the
Speaker 2: Chanelle suit. So I was like, oh, I'll take a
Speaker 2: photo of it. I'll do a side by side. That's cute.
Speaker 2: And then I in my head, I went, well, I
Speaker 2: wonder how many and then I went, I don't want
Speaker 2: to ruin my art experience by like only thinking about
Speaker 2: the Simpsons. So I made it a point to like
Speaker 2: be in the moment, look at the art and not
Speaker 2: think ahead. But then certain things were just so obvious.
Speaker 2: I'm like, obviously, that's the lamb. That's there was actually
Speaker 2: two Lamb paintings. I had to I've made two clauses
Speaker 2: and debated, but like, so a bunch of it.
Speaker 4: I just saw stuff. I was like, this is Simpsons.
Speaker 2: But I also always just take pictures of artwork that
Speaker 2: I like so I could look at later. And then
Speaker 2: I also like to send it to our friend who
Speaker 2: does art management, because I want approval. I want approval,
Speaker 2: because in Paris I sent her. I was like, I
Speaker 2: was taken by some art. I went to a random gas.
Speaker 2: Is it legit or not? She goes, we were supposed
Speaker 2: to go there that week, Like that's legit. So to me,
Speaker 2: I feel good about myself when I like can sense something,
Speaker 2: So I always take photos of things I just love
Speaker 2: as well. So then I was searching for specific images
Speaker 2: and then some it was like Simpson's ghosts, and then
Speaker 2: I would look through so some were very specific images
Speaker 2: and some were specific scenes that I then had to
Speaker 2: pull up on YouTube and screenshot the exact moment that worked.
Speaker 1: Wow, it wasn't even in the Google images like nobs okay,
Speaker 1: and some of them are really fast scenes.
Speaker 4: So it really took a lot of screenshottings.
Speaker 2: Oh, I get the image I needed, and then some
Speaker 2: a few different images would work. So I would make
Speaker 2: like the image the collage for all the paintings, and
Speaker 2: then I'd pick the one I like the most, so
Speaker 2: I would say like seventy percent. Like I was like,
Speaker 2: that's gonna be a Maggne, Like it's a Picasso called
Speaker 2: Baby with the Lollipop. There's a famous scene with Maggie
Speaker 2: with the lollipop.
Speaker 4: Like yeah. So for most of them I knew, and
Speaker 4: then some just I was searched.
Speaker 2: I would search like green Grass and like see what
Speaker 2: the best was, or I had other ideas but they
Speaker 2: didn't work as visual so it was different.
Speaker 4: Amazing. Yeah, it is the greatest accomplishment.
Speaker 2: But before that, the first day I get into Ireland,
Speaker 2: my hotel room's not ready. I have to like walk
Speaker 2: I find something that says something about art, like I'm
Speaker 2: not going to say the name of the place. So
Speaker 2: I walk over and it's a door and it's a
Speaker 2: brick building and it's really small. So I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's not a museum, it's just a gallery. This seems weird,
Speaker 2: but I'm like, I'll just go in. So I ring
Speaker 2: the buzzer. A man opens the door and he is
Speaker 2: on his way out, and I go oh, and he goes, well,
Speaker 2: I'll stay take a look. And of course it's just
Speaker 2: us two and it's his gallery. So it's like we're talking,
Speaker 2: and then he tells me it's like thirty year anniversary,
Speaker 2: so it's a bunch of artworks throughout the decades he's
Speaker 2: had this gallery. He has a home from the eighteen hundreds,
Speaker 2: his great grandfather. But I mean we're talking, we're talking,
Speaker 2: and then it's what in the colleens stand. It's in
Speaker 2: all of the survivors that we like cover the cases.
Speaker 2: I my gut just felt. I've never felt like this before.
Speaker 2: And I'm paranoid and freaked out often and suspicious, but
Speaker 2: like I swear, my stomach just dropped and I just
Speaker 2: started looking at him different, and I was like, I
Speaker 2: need to get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 4: Wait. Just halfway through it wasn't even from the jump.
Speaker 2: No, I was being fine, and then my I just
Speaker 2: everything started panicing, Like my stomach dropped like a roller
Speaker 2: coaster and wouldn't go away. And I was like, this
Speaker 2: is what people talk about. I got to get out
Speaker 2: of here, but I wanted to be casual. And then
Speaker 2: he was like, what hotel are you at? And so
Speaker 2: I just started kind of moving, and once I looked
Speaker 2: at his face, it reminded me of like the British cases,
Speaker 2: the cases we cover where it's like a guy with
Speaker 2: a wife who just has bodies, you know, just yeah,
Speaker 2: middle aged, a little older, just oh my god, maybe
Speaker 2: he'd be strong or not. I don't know, but I
Speaker 2: just I've never felt that the men have this. No,
Speaker 2: it's like women's intuition.
Speaker 1: Like casey, have you ever been standing somewhere or anything,
Speaker 1: You're like, this person is unsafe.
Speaker 4: I gotta get away from that.
Speaker 2: Like, like, I don't even know if I would have
Speaker 2: listened to it without our research. Like the only reason
Speaker 2: I'm so adamant about it is because of Colleen Stance.
Speaker 1: Because I totally know what you're talking about. Where you're like,
Speaker 1: I can't even put my finger on this, but this.
Speaker 1: I look, something is fucked up here. But it's crazy
Speaker 1: to me because to me, I feel like, if it's
Speaker 1: ever happened to me, it's like from the get go,
Speaker 1: and it's weird that there was just a vibe shift
Speaker 1: that feels like something in a TV show where somebody's
Speaker 1: so innocent and then there's just a flicker of an
Speaker 1: eye movement and you're like, that guy's bad, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like in a TV show, but now
Speaker 1: happening to you in real life. I'm saying like he
Speaker 1: looked at me like I was dinner, Like it looked
Speaker 1: like his face shift.
Speaker 4: The way he was looking at me. After this was
Speaker 4: after I already had the feeling. I was like, oh
Speaker 4: my god, I gotta go, I gotta go. And he
Speaker 4: was nice like there was nothing yeah and that. But
Speaker 4: when I walked out, I was so fucking panicked. Walk
Speaker 4: the opposite way of my hotel and just kept walking
Speaker 4: and I ended up walking into a beautiful garden that
Speaker 4: was dedicated to Irish people that lost their lives for freedom.
Speaker 4: Oh it was like gorgeous, gorgeous garden, like water pool
Speaker 4: cross Is this all in Dublin? Seagulls? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Wow, so it was. And then I was paniced for
Speaker 2: a while, and then I went back to uh, you know,
Speaker 2: walked and got to my back to my hotel.
Speaker 4: I just went to your hotel and watched the SVU
Speaker 4: to calm down. I had a nap, dude. The it's tough.
Speaker 2: When you're in a place for a day, you want
Speaker 2: to live the most of it, and then you're also
Speaker 2: hyped up from the show, so you're not in bed
Speaker 2: until two and then five am I have to be
Speaker 2: at the airport.
Speaker 4: And the jet lag is like crazy. Well it wouldn't
Speaker 4: have been if my flight took off on time. I
Speaker 4: planned for it. I planned very well. It was very specific.
Speaker 2: And then speaking of I can't I don't don't want
Speaker 2: to put people on blast. But it is also crazy.
Speaker 2: So I'm at a party. I'm not going to say
Speaker 2: where or when whatever, and someone comes up to me.
Speaker 4: So a group of us.
Speaker 2: A guy comes up supposed to talk to us, and
Speaker 2: he goes, I have something to tell you. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: party gossip. He goes, there's a murderer here. I go,
Speaker 2: excuse me. He goes, dude, there's someone here. There's a documentary.
Speaker 2: He killed his girlfriend and got off on it. They've
Speaker 2: ruled it a suicide. But she has all these stab
Speaker 2: wounds and markings on the on the back of her body.
Speaker 2: He's here, and then our friend goes, I fucking hugged
Speaker 2: him today.
Speaker 4: I know him.
Speaker 2: So I was at a party with this guy. The
Speaker 2: it's a Hulu doc. It's called Death an Apartment six
Speaker 2: zero three. What happened to Ellen Greenberg? And this is
Speaker 2: all alleged. This is obviously alleged. He has not been
Speaker 2: found guilty in any sort of criminal core and I
Speaker 2: have not watched the documentary, so that's important to note.
Speaker 2: This is just gossip I heard while I was blacked
Speaker 2: out drunk. But wait a minute, but I was with
Speaker 2: I think, hold on, I didn't say.
Speaker 4: I had him. I didn't know him.
Speaker 2: And then that night also someone said, like the meanest
Speaker 2: thing I've ever said to me.
Speaker 4: I was so mad.
Speaker 2: What I was truly talking to someone. I was blacked out,
Speaker 2: like there was a party upstairs. I was like, I
Speaker 2: had a great fucking night. I was, but I was
Speaker 2: My goal was to get drunk and have fun. And
Speaker 2: I'm like talking to someone and I'm talking talking to
Speaker 2: and then she looks at me and goes, it seems
Speaker 2: like you're doing bits.
Speaker 4: I go, excuse me, wait, my.
Speaker 1: Friend Nancy directed death in apartment six o three.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: You have to text her to ask her if you
Speaker 1: did it. The doc I think is supposed to be
Speaker 1: he did it?
Speaker 4: Should I text her right now? Text her right now,
Speaker 4: do anything? Text her right now. I'm gonna finish.
Speaker 2: So basically, this girl like, to me, as a comedian,
Speaker 2: the worst thing you could do is bits and conversation,
Speaker 2: like doing jokes and practicing jokes or planning jokes while
Speaker 2: you're in the moment talking to someone to me is egregious.
Speaker 2: It's like why you won't be liked if you do it.
Speaker 2: It's also my biggest fear in life. And so if
Speaker 2: I even mention something that I do in my set,
Speaker 2: I always go, oh, I do a joke about this.
Speaker 4: It's very apporting to me. Right Or if we're having
Speaker 4: a fun chat and then.
Speaker 2: Everyone laughs at something I said, I'll be like, oh,
Speaker 2: do you guys like I'm gonna write that down, like
Speaker 2: I'll do that. But to accuse me of doing bits
Speaker 2: to your face while I'm just like being engaged trying
Speaker 2: to like talk to you and be your friend to
Speaker 2: me is so insulting, and so I just I clarified.
Speaker 2: She said it, and I went okay, and I turned
Speaker 2: around and walked away from her. I like I could
Speaker 2: I I don't know, maybe she didn't, but she knows
Speaker 2: commedy like it. To me, I was like, okay, because
Speaker 2: only a horrible person would do that, Like it's.
Speaker 4: Really I mean, we do this. We know people who
Speaker 4: just do bits bits. They're out of my life and
Speaker 4: they're at a party with That's not me. I don't
Speaker 4: do that. I'm like a pretty real pot I've never
Speaker 4: seen you do that.
Speaker 1: No, I'm like, Matt, you don't even do like bits
Speaker 1: on stage, like bits are not your thing, Like I
Speaker 1: don't know like bits, Like I'm not like, oh that's
Speaker 1: a Liza, Like I don't know you do jokes you like,
Speaker 1: but everything you do is so conversational that, like your
Speaker 1: whole stand up is conversational.
Speaker 4: I don't even feel like you're doing bits when you're
Speaker 4: doing bits.
Speaker 2: I was stunned, and I know I was really drunk,
Speaker 2: but I definitely started to cry in the bathroom stall.
Speaker 2: But like then I had a great night. For a second,
Speaker 2: I did because I was like, if someone it's not
Speaker 2: authentic because it's also inauthentic. You're calling me in authentic,
Speaker 2: and you're calling me like tough to be around.
Speaker 4: She was doing is like what.
Speaker 1: If she was also saying like these feel like bits,
Speaker 1: like you could do these on stage?
Speaker 4: Is it was it like that? No, because I clarified
Speaker 4: because I looked at her like what, yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 4: I go, if you don't like my enthusiasm, I'm happy
Speaker 4: to turn away. I know everyone here, I don't have
Speaker 4: to talk to you, and yeah, oh yeah. So this
Speaker 4: was like an industry.
Speaker 2: Party, so like upstairs was really busy with suits and
Speaker 2: so me and six friends were alone in the basement
Speaker 2: bar getting hammered like. I didn't talk to anybody else
Speaker 2: at all. I didn't meet anyone I stood downstairs get
Speaker 2: in lit with just like our close friends. So I
Speaker 2: don't know, but I was definitely going crazy about Oh
Speaker 2: I watched Sorry baby, you know, I don't know on
Speaker 2: the fly, I.
Speaker 1: Saw a story with your list of movies and that
Speaker 1: was the only one that I was like, what is that?
Speaker 2: I don't know that I have a victor. She's like
Speaker 2: I knew her from New York. I don't know if comedy.
Speaker 2: She had a book, like I don't. I don't know
Speaker 2: how I know her. We follow each other and maybe
Speaker 2: I've met her a few times. But she wrote and
Speaker 2: directed this movie and it's gotten a lot of attention,
Speaker 2: and she's gotten to go to cool fashion shows. But like,
Speaker 2: it got a lot of attention. But it's a small
Speaker 2: independent movie. But then I saw one of the producers
Speaker 2: was Barry Jenkins, so I don't know, okay, and Lucas
Speaker 2: Hedges and Naomi Aki. There's like big people and people
Speaker 2: in it that I've heard of.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Oh, Also, I finally watched My Mom Jane.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm gonna cry bad to say I haven't seen it.
Speaker 4: I loved it. Okay, I'm gonna watch it.
Speaker 2: I just knew I loved Marishka, but like watching it truly,
Speaker 2: like the way I just like, am I can't it.
Speaker 1: Was really what I'm going to watch. I'm gonna watch.
Speaker 1: I made my mom watch. I sent her my pastors.
Speaker 1: I was like, you have to watch this. Been talk
Speaker 1: to her yet, but like, yeah, she watched it and me,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just was really moved by it
Speaker 1: and can't wait to watch it again. And I think
Speaker 1: she's gunn for an Oscar nomination, and maybe we should
Speaker 1: try to get her finally for the podcast, because the
Speaker 1: bitch is doing press.
Speaker 4: Yes, she's doing pods. She's called she got right. Oh.
Speaker 2: She also admitted she saw Hamilton twenty seven times.
Speaker 1: I saw that, Like that's a little bonkers. But she
Speaker 1: is doing press. She ha me Pohlar's podcast, Like it's
Speaker 1: kind of exciting.
Speaker 4: We should we can try.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean I wonder, Yeah, I mean yeah
Speaker 1: we should, but we yeah, we should figure that out,
Speaker 1: but are not or we take our time maybe when
Speaker 1: she's really gun in it in the spring to get
Speaker 1: that Oscar. Have you been catching up on the current season.
Speaker 1: I know you've been like in Europe and stuff, so
Speaker 1: maybe you're Hulu like work. I've only watched two episodes.
Speaker 1: I'm being huh mind and I can't wait. I like
Speaker 1: the vibe of the new season, like just generally I'm
Speaker 1: not let you know, like I think that. And we're
Speaker 1: getting a few comments from listeners too that are like
Speaker 1: I'm feeling the female showrunner bringing it kind of back
Speaker 1: to old form, which I like.
Speaker 2: And they're also going back to the old Neil Bear ways.
Speaker 2: I feel of a guest star. Yes, like a guest
Speaker 2: star being this big thing, Like I feel a return.
Speaker 4: To that in a way. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well that yeah, because in a recent episode, Norbert Leobots,
Speaker 1: the original bach was, who has also been on sv before,
Speaker 1: was who they were kind of plugging because I think
Speaker 1: they were making like wicked references at least on the Instagram.
Speaker 4: But then.
Speaker 1: I also just like that it's like there's some regular
Speaker 1: crimes against regular people. It's not, like I've said before,
Speaker 1: the most like all these like hugely institutionalized like you know,
Speaker 1: uh people like high powered figures or like human trafficking
Speaker 1: where it's these massive issues that you're like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: like how do we even get your brain wrapped around this?
Speaker 1: It's like no, this person was like in an Airbnb
Speaker 1: and they were assaulted, so like what happened?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: Like so I think that there's I think I have
Speaker 1: high hopes for this season. And I'm loving our boy,
Speaker 1: Kevin Kane, our fave. He's really great.
Speaker 2: And I watched one of an episode in a newer
Speaker 2: season to research up on a guest we're about to have,
Speaker 2: you know, like who's been in a few episodes. So
Speaker 2: like I watched it, and I was watching Kevin Kane
Speaker 2: and he had a mustache, and I was like, I
Speaker 2: fucking love Kevin Kane, Like, yeah, when was the last
Speaker 2: time we were this gung ho about a new detective?
Speaker 2: Like never, never, I'm usually suspicious and annoyed, like I
Speaker 2: love him.
Speaker 4: Maybe I know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And hopefully a lot of you got you guys
Speaker 1: all got the answer, because a lot of you were like,
Speaker 1: did you guys know the new guy was on rape
Speaker 1: and erupted And it's like, yes, we just and that
Speaker 1: was last week's episode. So but uh yeah, maybe we'll
Speaker 1: get Corey cott on here to talk to us about
Speaker 1: being Brock Turner and now being this like guy. He's
Speaker 1: doing a little bit of a New York accent too,
Speaker 1: which I always think is like a choice. But okay,
Speaker 1: we really have to start. I think he's called up
Speaker 1: a forty five minute flag.
Speaker 2: I just want to say, I'm you know, I'm doing
Speaker 2: my bald in the Beautiful and queens who like to
Speaker 2: watch full deep dive.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I.
Speaker 1: Really thought you were just saying you're gonna be on
Speaker 1: bald In the Beautiful and I was I was about
Speaker 1: to have a heart attack.
Speaker 4: I was like you're on, I would not be able
Speaker 4: to keep that in.
Speaker 2: No, Katya just mentioned doctor Michael Badden, and I was excited.
Speaker 4: That's the note. Actually, can I also out of the
Speaker 4: way you thought I was going to be on it?
Speaker 2: She just mentioned a thing that I also Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, Katya, on the last podcast or two ago, they
Speaker 1: were talking about Halloween and she goes, yeah, like when
Speaker 1: people dressed as the Chilean and I was like, I
Speaker 1: dressed as a Chilean miner, but I want everyone to
Speaker 1: know the Chilean miners were all rescued and were fine
Speaker 1: on October fourteenth of that year, and by Halloween it
Speaker 1: felt like it was okay to put on a little
Speaker 1: hard hat and be a Chilean minor. They were okay.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was a terrible thing, but like it
Speaker 1: wasn't like they were currently trapped and we were like, lol,
Speaker 1: let's get drunk, you know, Like they were all out,
Speaker 1: so I thought it was okay.
Speaker 4: I almost texted Trixy to be like they were out
Speaker 4: of the cave, but I didn't. I can't.
Speaker 1: I have to resist the urge to text about every
Speaker 1: single comment I have on the pod.
Speaker 4: Wait, and one more quick thing. I got a new fridge.
Speaker 2: Ooh my other one, remember on air, like my door
Speaker 2: stopped closing and so the fridge door. And then when
Speaker 2: the guys came to deliver the new one at seven am.
Speaker 4: He went to open it and the door handle flew
Speaker 4: off of it. So it was time.
Speaker 1: It was time, you know, New York or not LA,
Speaker 1: maybe California, but definitely LA just followed New York in
Speaker 1: that they have to get people fridges. Now, you know
Speaker 1: how that was like a bullshit thing about apartments. Heeries
Speaker 1: that you didn't have to give fridges.
Speaker 2: California is the only place whereaches are not guaranteed.
Speaker 4: Now they are. They changed it.
Speaker 1: That was like so fucking strange, Come to California, get
Speaker 1: a fridge. One more quick thing before we finished. We
Speaker 1: all know this administration is like evil and is starving
Speaker 1: people and depriving them of their snap benefits. So I
Speaker 1: wanted to recommend an organization to donate to, but honestly,
Speaker 1: it's so by state. So I would just like everybody
Speaker 1: to take a second. And I mean, there's Feeding America,
Speaker 1: there's World Central Kitchen, there are like national ones, but
Speaker 1: I think googling in your state where you can get
Speaker 1: people snap benefits. Please go donate to a food pantry, like, like, let's.
Speaker 4: Help people because our government is not doing that.
Speaker 1: Like I'm like devastated by members of my own community
Speaker 1: that are going to be going hungry in November, the
Speaker 1: month of thanks the month of Thanksgiving, that people are
Speaker 1: not gonna be able to eat because of this like
Speaker 1: psychotic government.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: That was actually the craziest part about being abroad. And
Speaker 2: I was doing jokes about it, but I'm like, usually
Speaker 2: you go to Europe and you can make fun of Europe,
Speaker 2: but like, we don't have a Department of Education, so yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like is it that bad that my
Speaker 2: diet coke swarm?
Speaker 4: I'm like, why isn't there ice? You guys don't use dryers?
Speaker 4: This place is weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's like truly we have nothing and they're
Speaker 2: starving our citizens so they can imprison them. But we're
Speaker 2: gonna yeah, uh yeah, be me there for people. But
Speaker 2: I guess a bunch of states, this is just our free,
Speaker 2: our suing. But nothing matter, right, And you know what,
Speaker 2: like the right like their big thing is like well
Speaker 2: it's the Democrats closing up like they don't care about Congress.
Speaker 2: They're doing whatever they want, so like, why would this
Speaker 2: be any different if they wanted to feed people, they
Speaker 2: could feed them, Like they're so stupid. It's really really hard.
Speaker 2: It's really hard. I mean, I am on aka. I
Speaker 2: don't know what's gonna happen to my health insurance?
Speaker 4: Me too, girl, I like we'll check as this episode.
Speaker 1: Coming out, I will know how much more I'm being
Speaker 1: charged next year.
Speaker 4: And I'm already like I'm already.
Speaker 1: Like like struggling to pay for our ACA right now.
Speaker 1: Like it's fucking crazy. And then when you go on
Speaker 1: the website for Snap or for the government, it says
Speaker 1: because the Democrats voted it down. There are just on
Speaker 1: government communications blaming the Democrats when they are in charge
Speaker 1: of everything. It's so insane. We're living in the upside down.
Speaker 1: And I hope that we can afford our health insurance.
Speaker 4: Whoop. Okay, let's get started.
Speaker 1: But please, if you have the means give back. Let's
Speaker 1: get food to people that need it this month, because
Speaker 1: this is fucked.
Speaker 4: But Maslow's hierarchy of needs, it's truly the most important thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I learned that from you, that whole hierarchy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, let's get started. Another classic episode. Today we
Speaker 1: are doing Russian Love Poem, Season one, episode twelve. This
Speaker 1: bad Boy is from two thousand. Oh my gosh, this
Speaker 1: came out in January.
Speaker 4: Of two thousand. You know what I'm about to say?
Speaker 4: What pre nine to eleven? Pre nine eleven? Yeah, of course,
Speaker 4: of course I.
Speaker 2: Also want to say, I need I need this recap.
Speaker 2: I've seen this episode lots of times. I speak the language.
Speaker 2: I still don't know what's happened. I don't know anything.
Speaker 2: I can't keep anything on track. Like I watch it
Speaker 2: and I for some reason, it goes into my brain
Speaker 2: and leaves immediately, like I don't know why.
Speaker 4: It's like a wormhole for me. So I'm exciting.
Speaker 1: This episode is so crazy because I remember the beginning.
Speaker 1: I could practically word for WORDW know the beginning of it,
Speaker 1: and then I had absolutely no idea how it ended.
Speaker 1: When they reveal one of the characters at the end,
Speaker 1: I was like, that's who it is, Like I did
Speaker 1: not it. Also, Oh my god, I love a season
Speaker 1: one so juicy, so many plot holes.
Speaker 4: So I just remembered so much. Oh god, yeah, this
Speaker 4: is exciting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's so much. This is one of the most
Speaker 1: convoluted episodes. Also, this show really in the first twelve
Speaker 1: seasons is so fucking obsessed with Russia. Like there's so
Speaker 1: much to do with Russia. Like this episode is like.
Speaker 2: Has Russian on his like special skills, so they're like,
Speaker 2: let's get over there.
Speaker 1: Like it's just like if you think look back, there
Speaker 1: is so much Russian stuff in this show. In the
Speaker 1: first twelve season, we got to ask Neil Bear, like,
Speaker 1: what's the deal dog?
Speaker 3: He wasn't in.
Speaker 1: Season one, but it keeps going. I mean we have
Speaker 1: to be like who among you?
Speaker 2: Was like, because Craigan loves the Russian sex worker.
Speaker 1: Yes, but there's Russian mafia, Like there's all this stuff.
Speaker 1: It's like there's a pet problem wanted, you know, the
Speaker 1: baby trade. Maybe it's like at the time, like in
Speaker 1: New York City, the Russian mob was kind of like
Speaker 1: the main mob, and like now I think it's moved
Speaker 1: into other mobs, as we've seen on See It's moved
Speaker 1: into like you know, Armeni and Maffa.
Speaker 2: I started watching Barry and there's Chechnie Chechene in mine.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, wow, they really went deep. Yeah, they went
Speaker 1: Barry is so good. I love Barry.
Speaker 4: That ball, Chechenian guy, runaway star. I mean a funny
Speaker 4: gotty like we love him so funny. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 4: know why it took me a while to get into it,
Speaker 4: but I also need to.
Speaker 1: And he's a great actor, like he does dramatic stuff
Speaker 1: later in the series.
Speaker 4: Like he's really good that guy.
Speaker 1: So the first minute of this episode, the first second
Speaker 1: of this episode, I hear the word Andrew, and I
Speaker 1: know exactly who this is. It is Deborah Rush. She
Speaker 1: is and to me a personal icon, Like I love
Speaker 1: this woman. She is like a Catherine O'Hara to me.
Speaker 1: She plays Jerry Blank's mother and Strangers with Candy. She's
Speaker 1: Piper's mother on Orange is the New Black. She is
Speaker 1: just like her so girl to me, she plays the
Speaker 1: Jessays husband's mom. They go to the steakhouse. Like I'm
Speaker 1: obsessed with her. Yeah, she has like a she's a
Speaker 1: rich lady voice.
Speaker 2: Isn't she the mom in the beginning? No, maybe she's not.
Speaker 2: I think I've taken it too far.
Speaker 4: Hold on. Yeah, Deborah Rush.
Speaker 1: Oh, yep, she's in big business. She plays someone named
Speaker 1: Binkie Shelton.
Speaker 4: She's the mos like in the Limma.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like so her like, I feel like she
Speaker 1: always plays like a rich psycho name.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that was their names, Binkie and Hunt
Speaker 2: Binkie Wells always from Arthur, a rich lady, and she
Speaker 2: is just so good at it. Joe Griffs is the
Speaker 2: dudding in big business, yes, but he's SVU hardcore.
Speaker 4: Oh god, has she Horowitz? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: Wow Wow. I can't believe I just put that together.
Speaker 1: This has been another another journey down IMDb with us.
Speaker 1: Casey's pulling his hair out. Okay, yeah, we're literally at
Speaker 1: minute ten. We've said nothing. Okay. She is walking up
Speaker 1: the stairs of this New York townhouse and she's like
Speaker 1: Andrew and walking up the stairs and being like, Andrew,
Speaker 1: are you home or are you out hooring? And she
Speaker 1: says it right in front of her little blonde daughter
Speaker 1: who's right behind her. And then when she gets to
Speaker 1: the top of the stairs, she sees a candelabra is
Speaker 1: lit with candles.
Speaker 4: The music is ominous. I mean, we're about to find
Speaker 4: a dead body.
Speaker 1: They stop in the doorway of a study and the
Speaker 1: daughter goes, daddy, oh god no and runs into the room.
Speaker 1: Deborah Rush stands there unaffected, not sad, not shocked, like
Speaker 1: kind of no like noute. And we see the daughter
Speaker 1: bent down in front of her dad, yelling daddy, and
Speaker 1: when they turn around and you actually see he's a
Speaker 1: different kind of daddy. Okay, he's chained up, leather, harness,
Speaker 1: gimp mask everything the BDSM fantasy and he's lying their
Speaker 1: limp and the daughter is upset and crying and like
Speaker 1: looking to her mom.
Speaker 4: And then hard cut.
Speaker 1: To dad getting zipped up into a body bag. Okay,
Speaker 1: he was not just passed out, he is gone. Benson
Speaker 1: is talking to the wife, Deba Rush, and she's like, well,
Speaker 1: I dropped my son off at his Tribeca Aloft and
Speaker 1: he had a Hampton's bachelor party. So we're getting a
Speaker 1: very quick idea of who these people are. So it
Speaker 1: was just her and her daughter, Emily, who discovered the dad.
Speaker 1: Stabler is talking to Emily, She's like, I was with
Speaker 1: my mom the whole weekend, not by choice. She's such
Speaker 1: a bitch. And this is a daddy's girl. Okay, this
Speaker 1: girl is a daddy's girl. She's like, daddy wanted a
Speaker 1: divorce but she didn't. And Stabler's like why, and he's like, well,
Speaker 1: She's like she wanted to be missus Andrew Harlan. So
Speaker 1: that's the victim is Andrew Harlan. Benson asks anyone who'd
Speaker 1: want to hurt your husband? And she goes define hurt
Speaker 1: like she's so good, and she's basically laughing. She's like,
Speaker 1: take your pick, and then she starts showing Benson this
Speaker 1: frame and it's kind of like an aura frame before
Speaker 1: the Internet. She just like keeps clicking it open and
Speaker 1: it changed his pictures, like I never really saw anything
Speaker 1: like that. And as she's clicking through it, it's just
Speaker 1: Andrew with the dude, Andrew with the dude, Andrew with
Speaker 1: a dude, like he's with all these muscly dudes. And
Speaker 1: then she's like, oh, this one I actually recognize. He
Speaker 1: used to be our pizza He used to he's our
Speaker 1: pizza guy. He used to deliver us pizza and he
Speaker 1: also just delivered I guess you know.
Speaker 4: So this beIN.
Speaker 1: Benson goes, so your husband was gay, and she goes,
Speaker 1: what's more than bisexual, compulsively orgasmic, polymorphously perverse? He would
Speaker 1: have sex with a plant, Like she's giving I mean,
Speaker 1: this is the year two thousand and we're talking about
Speaker 1: an absolutely like compulsive guy that's like, this doesn't fall
Speaker 1: on the spectrum of gayer strait.
Speaker 4: This guy is just like compulsively sex sexual. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So then Benson says one of the best lines in
Speaker 1: SBU history out of nowhere.
Speaker 2: I know the moment I heard it, I go, wow,
Speaker 2: Kara is so lucky she gets to say this.
Speaker 1: She goes, do you think there's a reason that that
Speaker 1: that the purpse sodomized your husband with a banana? And
Speaker 1: I think that one is always on the slide shows
Speaker 1: that like BuzzFeed and random websites that don't even care
Speaker 1: about us for you will do of like the best
Speaker 1: sview lines. And it's like the Captain with the pickle
Speaker 1: and it's the husband with the banana. And then she goes, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was allergic to bananas. He used to get covered
Speaker 1: in hives. And she's fighting back at giggle. Okay, oh
Speaker 1: she was hiding back tears.
Speaker 2: I thought it finally hit her that he's dead, and
Speaker 2: she's like a little sad and that it's someone that
Speaker 2: she knows because of the banana, like it was, but
Speaker 2: you think she was wanting to laugh.
Speaker 1: I thought it was a wife who's like, you like
Speaker 1: it fucking weird. You died with a banana up your ass,
Speaker 1: you fucking wacko. Like I think she's like a little
Speaker 1: bit like, well.
Speaker 4: There you go.
Speaker 1: Of course he had a fucking banana up his ass,
Speaker 1: like and then she was like, he used to get
Speaker 1: covered in hives. Like it wasn't like it was an
Speaker 1: anaphylactic alert allergy. It was just kind of like an
Speaker 1: allergy allergy. And so I feel like she's kind of like,
Speaker 1: oh god, and then she excuses herself to call her
Speaker 1: son Adam okay, and then we bounced right into the credits.
Speaker 1: And now nothing I love more than a Season one
Speaker 1: squad room. The way they just made it look like
Speaker 1: now they make it look like four people work there,
Speaker 1: and honestly, the way that things. I mean, I was
Speaker 1: about to say, the government keeps shutting things down, but
Speaker 1: police are always funded. So now they make it seem
Speaker 1: like there's one extra person around. In season one, it
Speaker 1: was like forty people were around and you just happened
Speaker 1: to be getting the conversation between two or three of them.
Speaker 4: So Belzer is like, oh my god, it's so rude.
Speaker 1: How they shoved a banana up this guy's ass, and
Speaker 1: Benson's like, I don't get why the wife would stay
Speaker 1: if she knew her husband was gay, and it's like, Benson,
Speaker 1: I know it's season one, but you know, money rules
Speaker 1: the world. And Cassidy's like looking at the guy from
Speaker 1: the pizza delivery guy from the photo and he's like,
Speaker 1: I feel like I went to high school with this guy,
Speaker 1: Like I know this guy. Like it's like just classic Cassidy,
Speaker 1: not really paying attention to He just keeps being like,
Speaker 1: how do I know the sky? And then whoever inserted
Speaker 1: the banana? They assume knew that he was allergic, but
Speaker 1: that he or she might not have meant to have
Speaker 1: killed him, and I'm like, yeah, I don't know why
Speaker 1: that would even be hand in hand because.
Speaker 4: The obos I don't knock him up. Yeah me exactly.
Speaker 1: I don't know why you would say that they could
Speaker 1: have absolutely wanted to kill him. So I don't know
Speaker 1: why they come to that conclusion because it's not like
Speaker 1: it's an anaphylactic.
Speaker 4: It's not a death reaction that he has to banana.
Speaker 1: It's like what, he's gonna get hived and then then
Speaker 1: you're gonna kill him so hard to get an allergic
Speaker 1: reaction out of a dead man, Belzer says. And then
Speaker 1: Daddy Craigan wants to know if this was premeditated or
Speaker 1: a sex game gone awry, and why are we so
Speaker 1: sure the wife is innocent? And Stabler's like, she's got
Speaker 1: an alibi and her daughter hates her ass she wouldn't
Speaker 1: lie to protect her. So then Jeffries pops in and
Speaker 1: we love I mean, I like Jeffries this episode. She
Speaker 1: literally does nothing except pop in and go more information,
Speaker 1: like she's just a delivery service for like little tidbits.
Speaker 4: In this episode, she.
Speaker 1: Pops in and goes, well, now I know the reason
Speaker 1: the wife was so giddy. It's because her husband is
Speaker 1: worth a hundred million dollars, which she and the two
Speaker 1: kids are gonna split evenly, So thirty three mil not bad.
Speaker 1: Benson and Stablers, although with a state tax I wonder
Speaker 1: what you end up walking with anyway, still a lot.
Speaker 1: Benson and Stabler.
Speaker 2: Say, I'm sure they've got it figured out all protected.
Speaker 4: You're right, that's absolutely crazy that I would even say that.
Speaker 1: Benson and Stabler are like, it didn't feel like the
Speaker 1: wife had anything to hide, like she had no crocodile tears.
Speaker 1: She just seemed very openly kind of antagonistic towards her
Speaker 1: ex husband, and like, there's no I don't think she's lying. Craigan,
Speaker 1: traffic cops, everyone, Jeffries, pull up all his records, his bills,
Speaker 1: Benson is Stabler, go talk to the sun, see if
Speaker 1: he knows anything about his dad's dating habits. Then even
Speaker 1: though he traffic cops, everybody, we go to where Cassidy
Speaker 1: and Munch are going, which is not where anyone told
Speaker 1: anyone to go.
Speaker 4: It's probably got cut.
Speaker 1: But he Now we're at the apartment of Bulldozer, who
Speaker 1: is a classic law and order guy who will not
Speaker 1: stop moving while the police are questioning him. This guy's
Speaker 1: literally moving things from his apartment into a moving truck.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's a mover or if he's
Speaker 1: personally moving, but he will not stop actually physically moving
Speaker 1: his body. Cassidy will not drop, Like how do I
Speaker 1: know you? What do I know you from? And he's
Speaker 1: like maybe from my commercials. My banana spot is still
Speaker 1: running and Cassidy's like that's it, And it's like, why
Speaker 1: is it a commercial about a banana? Is that part
Speaker 1: of it. We never go back to that. They never
Speaker 1: go back to that at all. They just say he's
Speaker 1: got a banana spot. Is it a spot? I've never
Speaker 1: in my life seen a commercial for the sale of bananas,
Speaker 1: So is it for.
Speaker 4: I guess Chiquita Banana? And I come to say, oh yeah,
Speaker 4: Oh I wonder.
Speaker 1: I wonder if this Muscley guy was with the a
Speaker 1: banana lady in a commercial.
Speaker 4: I've doing a huge job to book.
Speaker 1: You're right, the Chiquita Banana is a jingle, but I'm
Speaker 1: like not visualizing the commercial right now, but I will
Speaker 1: look it up later anyway.
Speaker 4: Cassidy's like, that's it. You're the banana guy. Okay.
Speaker 1: So they're like, so, what's your real name and he's like,
Speaker 1: my real name is Bulldozer. That's my stage name. And
Speaker 1: he's like, I'm an make it really big and porn soon.
Speaker 1: And he shows them this glamour shot of him, like
Speaker 1: I want to say headshot, but it's full body or
Speaker 1: three quarter body, and it's him naked with the pizza
Speaker 1: box over is junk, of course, and he's like, I
Speaker 1: just do these cheesy commercials for money, but I was
Speaker 1: born to be in porn and it's like it's the
Speaker 1: year two thousand, Like, commercials are absolutely paying more money
Speaker 1: than porn is.
Speaker 2: Don't you think, Like if this is still DVD's, porn
Speaker 2: is huge as well, I would say it was a
Speaker 2: different era.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and especially if you get to the top
Speaker 4: of your game.
Speaker 1: But you could just be sort of mediocre booking tons
Speaker 1: of commercials and make a lot of money. Yeah for
Speaker 1: this guy, but porn is his passion. It seems like
Speaker 1: porn is his passion exactly. That's where he sees himself.
Speaker 1: That's his that's worn to do it. Yeah, and guess what.
Speaker 4: He's available.
Speaker 1: He's still looking for a porn talent agent if these
Speaker 1: two cops happened to no one. So they ask him,
Speaker 1: why did you break it off with Andrew? And mister
Speaker 1: Dozer is like, wow, he didn't pay for the last
Speaker 1: seven dinners. He gave me nothing, and all he wanted
Speaker 1: to do was have sex. Plus we're both tops, so
Speaker 1: that didn't really work out. So they're like, well, did
Speaker 1: he give you gifts? And he shows them he's like
Speaker 1: kind of this like sort of heavy medieval handcuff looking
Speaker 1: device that looks very heavy and like a would have
Speaker 1: to be installed, and he's like, Andrew gave me this
Speaker 1: to practice on and if the wife doesn't want it,
Speaker 1: I'll keep.
Speaker 4: It or whatever. So Munch goes, I think she won't
Speaker 4: notice it's missing. So then at the.
Speaker 1: Sun Adam Harlan's apartment and this guy's interesting. I looked
Speaker 1: up this actor literally one episode of SVU, two episodes
Speaker 1: of Like As the World Turns.
Speaker 4: That's it, that's his whole. I'mdb he's handsome, he looked
Speaker 4: hand thought. I thought I knew who the guy was.
Speaker 4: I looked him up.
Speaker 1: Anyway, he is yeah, and he's like my dad and
Speaker 1: I They're like, were you and your dad close? And
Speaker 1: he goes, oh, yeah, really close until he started doing
Speaker 1: my girlfriends and then he's like, once he touched them,
Speaker 1: I dumped them. So a recent one was named Becky Sorenson.
Speaker 1: She's a painter who lives in No Ho. So now
Speaker 1: we go talk to Becky Sorenson and she's played by
Speaker 1: Melissa Sage Miller, who goes on to play eighty A
Speaker 1: Jillian Hardwicke in season twelve, who we call White House
Speaker 1: Black Market the most forgettable ADA of all time. The
Speaker 1: fact that I didn't even clock that she looks completely different.
Speaker 4: It's really weird.
Speaker 1: Like she's blonde, she's I mean, it's twelve years difference
Speaker 1: age also, but she looks very different.
Speaker 4: I think once she's like a redhead. They make her
Speaker 4: very plain.
Speaker 2: She reminds me of Kardy from America's Next Top Model.
Speaker 1: Okay, remember, yes, I do remember, very very yes, very
Speaker 1: corn fed Iowa type of gal. Right yeah yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: But made it to the top two. I think she
Speaker 2: should have. Oh she won, she won carried one Melrose, Yeah,
Speaker 2: got it? So honey, and I know everything.
Speaker 1: I know so much stupid shit, it's crazy, it's fun crazy.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what about Tyra's hot I was trying.
Speaker 1: I was talking to someone.
Speaker 2: I was I was tucking to someone about housewives and
Speaker 2: we were like talking, and then she just looked at
Speaker 2: me and went, yeah, I just don't really have the
Speaker 2: kind of memory you have for these scenes. Because she
Speaker 2: would say something, I go absolutely not, do you remember
Speaker 2: this and this moment and this, and she was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 4: I really don't. You're out of your element up.
Speaker 1: Okay, So anyway, blonde Becky is telling them how Adam
Speaker 1: was young and he thinks small but there's nothing small
Speaker 1: about daddy, okay, gross.
Speaker 4: But I saw the guy.
Speaker 2: I mean, we didn't see the guy's face, but like
Speaker 2: he just didn't look that hot, even in his leather.
Speaker 2: Like I mean, this blonde girl is very attractive and cool,
Speaker 2: and the set I just like, I don't know because
Speaker 2: the Seventh this reminds me of Seventh Heaven Dad vibes
Speaker 2: or it's like, what, how are you getting to bang?
Speaker 2: I guess rich rich? I forgot rich rich Duah.
Speaker 4: I mean Seventh Heaven Dad.
Speaker 1: By the way, in the context of the episode trade,
Speaker 1: Just in case anyone thinks, so she's.
Speaker 4: Just talking about the Seventh No, I'm not just bringing
Speaker 4: up like this that pedophile. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: In trade he's like yeah everyone, but it's also it's yeah,
Speaker 1: it's totally money and confidence. But also she says, Andrew
Speaker 1: was enthusiastic did things to your body that aren't even
Speaker 1: in the Kama Sutra, And it's like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: the Kama Sutra seems pretty detailed, but yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know what that man's coming up with. But they moved
Speaker 1: on after a short and intense, you know if affair.
Speaker 1: It was only two weeks that they banged for and
Speaker 1: he's got a short but intense attention span, she says,
Speaker 1: and he wasn't into monogamy, not even serial monogamy. And
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, if you're not into monogamy at all,
Speaker 1: why would you be into one after another monogamy? Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, he's not into any monogamy. But they
Speaker 1: show her pictures of the men and the only one
Speaker 1: she recognizes is Charlie Poe, and she mentioned something about
Speaker 1: chartering a boat and she's like Andrew and Charlie Poe like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, Ascondalo, like we can't believe it. So
Speaker 1: now we're talking to Charlie Poe and he's in a
Speaker 1: little sailor hat and a white outfit, very captain of
Speaker 1: below deck, and he's like flashing a picture of his
Speaker 1: family and swearing up and down that he is not
Speaker 1: attracted to the male gender at all in any way.
Speaker 4: And then they're like, like.
Speaker 2: You're wearing a little sailor cap. You're like camp right now, sir,
Speaker 2: You're wearing like truly a little skipper hat.
Speaker 4: What is that? Show yea?
Speaker 1: And he literally can't stop talking about how mask he is.
Speaker 1: He's like, don't let this hat fool you. I love
Speaker 1: pussy like and they're like they show him a picture
Speaker 1: of him and Andrew and they're like, dog, we didn't
Speaker 1: come here with no receipts, like come on, and they're like,
Speaker 1: we also have nudes of you.
Speaker 4: So okay. So they're showing.
Speaker 1: Him this pick of him with Andrew and they're like,
Speaker 1: we also have nudes, babes, So like, let's talk, you know,
Speaker 1: and he's like, I never did anything. I swear it
Speaker 1: wasn't me. I mean, his lying is really bad. Like
Speaker 1: Benson is like rolling her eyes at how bad this
Speaker 1: guy's lying is. She's like, I don't have the time.
Speaker 1: And then he's like if you tell my wife and
Speaker 1: they're like, you don't have to tell your wife, just
Speaker 1: like fucking spill it. And then he launches about like
Speaker 1: do you know how much it cost to put a
Speaker 1: kid through school in the city, even nursery school. So yeah,
Speaker 1: Andrew liked to sleep with me a few times. I
Speaker 1: never did anything like. He acts like he just laid
Speaker 1: there while this rich guy fucked him, and maybe that
Speaker 1: is what he did, but he's like I just laid there.
Speaker 1: He's like, I just this guy slept with me. Is
Speaker 1: what he would say. I didn't sleep with him, and
Speaker 1: then he helped pay for my kid's education, So then
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy must have just been hemorrhaging money
Speaker 1: with the amount of people he's fucking and and but
Speaker 1: then these.
Speaker 4: Are where the holes show up for me.
Speaker 1: Why is he like he's fucking this sailor and paying
Speaker 1: for his kids' school but he's not fucking He's not
Speaker 1: giving Bulldozer any money, Like, what's going on? Why are
Speaker 1: certain people getting money and not? And then the sailor
Speaker 1: walks away and Stabler yells how often did you two
Speaker 1: fellows tie each other up? And it's just loud enough
Speaker 1: for his coworkers to hear. So the sailor comes like
Speaker 1: back and he's like, listen, yes, sometimes we did bondage.
Speaker 1: But the Sailor's like, Andrew like to tie me up
Speaker 1: because honestly, I'm ticklish, and he, you know, he just
Speaker 1: wanted me to say still because I'm ticklish that I
Speaker 1: just keep moving, and they're like, shut the fuck up.
Speaker 1: Benson cuts them off and goes, do you know any
Speaker 1: of the other guys? And she goes and he goes,
Speaker 1: what other guys? He goes, what are you talking about
Speaker 1: I was the only one. It was both of our
Speaker 1: first times. I'm like, okay, dumb ass, go back to
Speaker 1: your talgue boat, like you're dumb. So now at the precinct,
Speaker 1: the gang is stumped. No one fits the profile, like
Speaker 1: everyone's got a clean record, no angry breakups, no motives.
Speaker 1: Everybody just kind of fast and furious banged this rich
Speaker 1: man and then moved off into the night. And Cassidy
Speaker 1: makes a crack about this for a fifty.
Speaker 4: Year old, he's got a lot of energy. I mean's
Speaker 4: like fucking young girls, young guys, old guys, family, men's
Speaker 4: porn star.
Speaker 1: He is out on the town. His wife said he'd
Speaker 1: fuck a plant. You know, he's doing whatever's available and
Speaker 1: looks exciting, and uh, Cassidy makes a crack about guys
Speaker 1: being fifty and he's like, I'm sure munching you and
Speaker 1: Craigan and have good stamina two or whatever.
Speaker 4: Who cares.
Speaker 1: And then Munch points out that this guy spent more
Speaker 1: money on the women than on the men. There's forty
Speaker 1: thousand dollars on his bills of on lingerie. Though that
Speaker 1: could be for the guys too, It's hard to tell.
Speaker 1: And then Munch goes, this guy was truly horny, and
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed.
Speaker 4: I'm like put it on.
Speaker 1: His gravestone, like this guy was and this man was
Speaker 1: truly horny.
Speaker 4: So good. So then wait, I want to remember that forever.
Speaker 4: Let me try to download it. This guy was truly horny.
Speaker 4: I mean, maybe that's merch. I don't know. This guy
Speaker 4: was truly horny. Is so good.
Speaker 1: So then again, Jeffries pops in with a little bit
Speaker 1: of information. She goes, Listen, they found a fingerprint in
Speaker 1: the study and it belonged to a Russian woman named
Speaker 1: Sonya Petrovitch.
Speaker 4: She came to the US three years ago green card.
Speaker 1: Her profession is listed as something in Russian, which, of
Speaker 1: course Munch says that means hooker, which is Munch's word,
Speaker 1: not mine. Wait, okay, okay, why would her like official
Speaker 1: profession be listed in Russian as such slang? Yeah, but
Speaker 1: what it was the word I don't remember. Maybe it
Speaker 1: meant like domestic help or something. I didn't I didn't
Speaker 1: write it. I couldn't write it down because it was
Speaker 1: just like honestly, they didn't they didn't say it, they
Speaker 1: didn't put it in the subtitles, even like a even
Speaker 1: like a you know what is it called phonetic like
Speaker 1: pronunciation of it, so I didn't bother trying to write
Speaker 1: it down. So now top of ac two were at
Speaker 1: the Turkish baths in the East Village with a ponytailed
Speaker 1: Russian guy and he's telling Benson and Stabler you don't
Speaker 1: have to strip, but you have to take off your shoes.
Speaker 1: And he says, Sonya's been gone a few weeks. She
Speaker 1: met a guy named Victor. Doesn't it go to the cut?
Speaker 1: It goes to my favorite cut of all time. Then
Speaker 1: it's like Benson and Stabler and Adida's slides, and it
Speaker 1: just cuts to them wearing Adida slides.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, you're so right. I did not clock this.
Speaker 1: They are wearing the classic Adidas slides that I wore
Speaker 1: in high school every day. I mean, maybe the only
Speaker 1: Benson footshot we've ever gotten beside the product boot. And
Speaker 1: even then it's in a shoe. Well, you know, like
Speaker 1: state like we've not seen their feet. We've not seen
Speaker 1: their feet before and now.
Speaker 2: At season one, but I don't think we've ever seen
Speaker 2: a detective foot Again, I'm putting this on the Instagram.
Speaker 1: If you don't follow our Instagram. Get on over there
Speaker 1: because I'm putting it up. So they're sliding through the
Speaker 1: Turkish baths with this guy in their slides, and he's like, well,
Speaker 1: Sonya used to work here. She's been gone a few weeks.
Speaker 1: She met a guy named Victor, said she's in love.
Speaker 1: He's rich, he owns Ecstasy, the hottest spot in Manhattan.
Speaker 1: There's a three month wait less for a facial and
Speaker 1: he's pissed this guy. He's like, I gave her a
Speaker 1: good job and she left me for that pig, Victor.
Speaker 1: And he says, Sonya treats men like she's a whore.
Speaker 1: But then he explains that in the US, a whore
Speaker 1: is just a hooker. In Russia, whores are the top
Speaker 1: of the social scene. Everyone respects them, but they rarely
Speaker 1: fall in love. I just don't know true. We're just
Speaker 1: getting into this weird socio like sociological like anthropological definitions
Speaker 1: of like how sex workers are different in different countries,
Speaker 1: and like how different women fall in love because of cultures.
Speaker 1: It's it's like I'm listening, I don't know if it's true,
Speaker 1: but like you know, I'm this episode. They're alive and
Speaker 1: pretty heavily. This is like the thesis statement of the episode.
Speaker 1: Like this whole episode goes on to be about this.
Speaker 2: I know, but it's like, sure, they're at fancy parties
Speaker 2: or like rich people have sex workers around, but I like,
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, I feel like someone
Speaker 2: might murder them.
Speaker 4: Like I don't know if it's.
Speaker 1: Actual like actual respect, Like I think they're allowed.
Speaker 4: And it's cool maybe, but it's not like they're I
Speaker 4: just don't buy it.
Speaker 2: And because I readie this thing once where Russia had
Speaker 2: a sexual revolution but not a feminist revolution.
Speaker 1: And yes, because even in all the episodes we've seen
Speaker 1: where there's like a high power madam or somebody who's
Speaker 1: Russian and she's setting up Russian brides, she still is
Speaker 1: beholden to the scary guy that's gonna murder everybody, you know,
Speaker 1: like she's never the top top top of the food chain.
Speaker 4: But anyway, he.
Speaker 1: Goes American girls fall in love so easily, and I
Speaker 1: don't really give a damn where Sonya is. And then
Speaker 1: a guy comes in and we hear the click clack
Speaker 1: of his shoes and he's speaking Russian to ponytail guy
Speaker 1: and they're like, what about his shoes. He's not in
Speaker 1: any fucking Adida slides, and Ponytail's like he's allowed. So
Speaker 1: then the cops go with Ponytail into the back room
Speaker 1: at these baths, and I can't tell how much time
Speaker 1: has elapsed because I guess the guy that just walked
Speaker 1: by is already in the tub. And it's a private
Speaker 1: tub where this nasty looking dude is like soaking with
Speaker 1: a girl on each arm and they're like drinking champagne
Speaker 1: and it's supposed to be fancy, but it doesn't look
Speaker 1: fancy to me, Like it looks kind of.
Speaker 2: Gross, and I think they've probably filmed it by my house.
Speaker 2: I'm being honest, I know it's disgusting.
Speaker 1: Well, they're like, wait, I recognize that guy, and he goes, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's one of the most renowned violinists in the world.
Speaker 1: And there's because there's a violinist next to the tub
Speaker 1: serenading them, and then they're like, shoes yeah, And then
Speaker 1: they're like, no, no, not him, tub guy, Like the
Speaker 1: tub guy is the guy we recognize. But Ponytail goes,
Speaker 1: he's a good friend, a respectable businessman, So you know
Speaker 1: the answer is not respectable at all.
Speaker 4: Shady as fuck. Okay, So at Ecstasy.
Speaker 1: Spa, now they're asking to speak to Sonya, but the
Speaker 1: girl at the front is like, oh, Sonia doesn't work
Speaker 1: here anymore, but go to room six and talk to Natasha.
Speaker 1: They were friends. So she makes Benson go alone. I
Speaker 1: don't know what the deal is. There's all kinds of
Speaker 1: weird stuff where certain people can talk to people by
Speaker 1: gender in this episode, so she makes Benson go alone.
Speaker 1: Stablers not allowed. Benson goes to talk to to Natasha.
Speaker 1: It's funny. She leaves her little room and she goes,
Speaker 1: I'll be right back, and then suddenly her and Benson
Speaker 1: are strolling on like a gorgeous rooftop Manhattan views like
Speaker 1: you just wanted to step out in the hallway for
Speaker 1: like a quick chat, but they're like having a beautiful
Speaker 1: Manhattan walk. And so She's like, oh, did son is
Speaker 1: mafia boyfriend already screw her over? And then Natasha says, Yuri,
Speaker 1: he got her a singing job at this restaurant. We
Speaker 1: used to be friends, me and Sonya. We lived together,
Speaker 1: we got food at Brighton Beach together. But so Benson's like, well,
Speaker 1: did she date Victor the guy that owns this place,
Speaker 1: and she's like, yeah, everyone dates Victor. That's how you
Speaker 1: get a job here. So it's like, that's not that scandalous.
Speaker 1: And then she's like, why would you even ask that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, the like how did you sleep with Craigan to
Speaker 4: get your job? I'm so confused.
Speaker 1: And then she's like did she have an American boyfriend
Speaker 1: Andrew Harlan? And Natasha's like, maybe I don't know Andrew.
Speaker 1: Maybe she met a lot of men. It's why we
Speaker 1: aren't friends anymore. And then she explains that they both
Speaker 1: went to audition at a nightclub. They both sang, and
Speaker 1: she goes, it's as simple as this, I have talent.
Speaker 4: She does it.
Speaker 1: She got the job because she was banging Yuri and
Speaker 1: he's connected. So they broke up over an auditioned to
Speaker 1: be a singer at a Russian restaurant.
Speaker 4: So you know, I guess.
Speaker 1: Friends come and go at the Moscow Rushturan literally just
Speaker 1: called Moscow restaurant in Brighton Beach. A woman is singing
Speaker 1: in Russian. Everyone applauds. She walks off stage and this
Speaker 1: is Sonya. Stabler and Benson are like, can we have
Speaker 1: a word, and she denies knowing Andrew, so Benson jumps
Speaker 1: at the chance to refresh her memory and she's like, Babe,
Speaker 1: we found your fingerprint at the study. So enough, and
Speaker 1: this girl went to the same school of lying as
Speaker 1: that dumb sailor kid did because she's telling them, oh,
Speaker 1: I cleaned his house. Yeah, the housekeeper needed to fill in.
Speaker 1: I was doing a favor. We help each other in America, Okay, bitch,
Speaker 1: I don't think we do. But she says the housekeeper
Speaker 1: is Katya. She's out of town and she took her passport,
Speaker 1: like it's a very developed lie. And they're like, wow,
Speaker 1: a big star like you cleaning houses. And then they're
Speaker 1: done with the bullshit. They're like about to arrest her
Speaker 1: if she doesn't tell them where Katya is by tomorrow.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like this episode is convoluted, like her
Speaker 1: fingerprint was found at a murder scene. You're just like
Speaker 1: see you later, come tomorrow with more info, like you
Speaker 1: would be arresting her, bringing her in for questioning, Like
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like I just don't. That's pretty And
Speaker 1: also it's as easy as a phone call to the wife.
Speaker 1: Do you have a housekeeper named Katya?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: So back at the precinct. The guys are all making
Speaker 1: jokes about Sonya being a sex worker. Jeffries is saying
Speaker 1: sleeping her way to the top is the only way
Speaker 1: she knows.
Speaker 4: And then suddenly Ken Briscoe is there too.
Speaker 1: If you'll remember, Jerry Orbach's real life son plays Lenny Briscoe,
Speaker 1: who is I mean, plays Ken brisco who's Lenny Briscoe's nephew.
Speaker 1: Lenny Brisco's nephew Ken, who's in a bunch of season
Speaker 1: one episodes. And then I guess just didn't make an
Speaker 1: impression and they were like, Jerry, there's nothing else we
Speaker 1: could do.
Speaker 4: Your son's not good.
Speaker 1: So he gets he's not on the show anymore, but
Speaker 1: he goes so all Russian girls are whores, and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: nobody said that, Like they literally just said it's the
Speaker 1: only way of life they know. And he's like, so
Speaker 1: they're all horrors, Like it's just crazy. It feels like
Speaker 1: so much dialogue has been cut out or something in
Speaker 1: this episode, and Benson reminds them, like, guys, think about
Speaker 1: what these girls have been through, poverty, corruption, drunken abuse.
Speaker 1: They learn they have to lie that their bodies their
Speaker 1: only asset, that sex is money, and Cassidy goes so
Speaker 1: by doing the right guy, they end up in the
Speaker 1: Forbes Ski five hundred, like such a dork.
Speaker 4: He's such a dork.
Speaker 1: Munch points out that Russia was actually jealous of the
Speaker 1: US during the Clinton Lewinsky scandal because they would say
Speaker 1: stuff like we wish we had such a virile president,
Speaker 1: Like they respected that he was hooking up with a
Speaker 1: twenty two year old in the Oval office.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Americans think it's just about being a whore.
Speaker 1: The Russians know that there's always a little commerce involved
Speaker 1: in the art of love. That's what Munch says, again
Speaker 1: another sort of thesis statement to this episode. Jeffries hangs
Speaker 1: up the phone. Guess what she's got more info? The
Speaker 1: Harlan's housekeeper. The Harlan's housekeeper, not out of town, not Russian,
Speaker 1: not named Katya, never works weekends.
Speaker 4: Like not a detail is correct.
Speaker 1: So now they have Sonya in cement room bars and
Speaker 1: like the fact that she didn't just disappear is crazy,
Speaker 1: Like she does not need to talk to the cops,
Speaker 1: Like and she denies knowing anything, and she's like, even
Speaker 1: if I could tell you, you wouldn't understand. I see how
Speaker 1: you look at me, you look down at what I
Speaker 1: do for a living. And it's fully a monologue. This
Speaker 1: girl does not stop and let anyone talk for five minutes.
Speaker 1: She goes, it's exciting to do something forbidden. I'm with
Speaker 1: men who are breaking promises to their wives, and that
Speaker 1: excites them. They come alive. I make them come alive.
Speaker 1: I'm their freedom. The monologue's too much for me. She's like,
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful. I don't work in a spa or
Speaker 1: a salon. My only commitment is to my friends. And
Speaker 1: they assume she's talking about Katya. I assume Katya is invented. Like,
Speaker 1: I can't believe. We're all like, there's got to be
Speaker 1: a Katya. She invented a Katya. She invented a cleaning
Speaker 1: lady named Katya. I don't know why we think Katya
Speaker 1: is real. And Sonya's like, look, I'm worried people will know.
Speaker 1: I talk to the cops and they're like, well, where
Speaker 1: there's Katya again. I don't know why we think that's
Speaker 1: a real person. She's like, Katya lives with her boyfriend.
Speaker 1: I live with my aunt. And she goes, it affords
Speaker 1: me a certain. It's like she does not speak like
Speaker 1: she just like doesn't speak like a real person to me,
Speaker 1: Like she goes it affords me a certain freedom. Yes,
Speaker 1: like it's like a weird the way that anyway, she
Speaker 1: doesn't know who Katya is dating. At the moment, Craigan
Speaker 1: walks in and tells Elliott, Hey, Emily Harlan is here
Speaker 1: to see you. So now we're in wood room blinds
Speaker 1: and Emily is telling Elliott how her dad always fell
Speaker 1: in love really easily. He loved being in love. And
Speaker 1: she has a very babyish voice, and she looks familiar
Speaker 1: and I looked drop. Her name is Alison Munn and
Speaker 1: she does play Fez's crazy girlfriend Caroline on that seventies show.
Speaker 4: It's a very.
Speaker 1: Distinct character because like every time Fez looks, this girl's
Speaker 1: like hi, Fez, like and it's this girl and she's
Speaker 1: I like her in that show. So she's baby voice
Speaker 1: talking to I cannot tell how old she is here.
Speaker 1: She's like, my dad left all these files for me,
Speaker 1: and so like.
Speaker 4: She's helpful. Yeah, she's like all that stuff my dad.
Speaker 1: Did, like fucking a thousand women and men, was all
Speaker 1: a cry for help. But my mom could never reach
Speaker 1: out to him. It's like, Babe, I think it's a
Speaker 1: little bit more compulsive than that. Like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe you're sixteen. I don't think you really understand that
Speaker 1: your mom's not the issue here. But she says, She
Speaker 1: says her mom didn't really care about the affairs if
Speaker 1: they were with guys, but then when he fell in
Speaker 1: love with Katya, they started fighting constantly.
Speaker 4: Her name is Katya Ivanova.
Speaker 1: This could have been where we find out that Katya
Speaker 1: is a real person, Like this is like, okay, now
Speaker 1: this is a real person who's connected to this guy.
Speaker 1: She is Russian. My father said she's very beautiful. Mom
Speaker 1: calls her his Russian whore. And after my dad died,
Speaker 1: I got a bunch of papers. Yeah, so clever literally
Speaker 1: after the fun nickname she came up with Russian. Right.
Speaker 1: Her dad had told her something happens to me. I
Speaker 1: have all these papers in my office. Go check out
Speaker 1: the papers. And so she went and got the papers.
Speaker 1: She's like, I didn't really find much, but one thing
Speaker 1: is interesting. It looks like daddy was suing Katya for
Speaker 1: a lot. Cut to Kraigan going, he's suing her for
Speaker 1: two million now, that's what I call a motive.
Speaker 4: And that's apparently the.
Speaker 1: Value of the gifts he gave her that she kept
Speaker 1: after their five month affair ended.
Speaker 4: Now he broke it off forever, shut the fuck up.
Speaker 4: You can't sue forgive me.
Speaker 1: But also, this man is worth like one hundred million dollars.
Speaker 1: I seriously doubt that he's going to sue a Russian
Speaker 1: woman who was his like for gifts, Like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: that doesn't like make sense in this man's world to me.
Speaker 1: He's paying for random sailor preschool. He's paying for probably
Speaker 1: bulldozer to get his head shots before he cut him off.
Speaker 1: Like he's paying for all this shit. I guess maybe
Speaker 1: her gifts were more valuable. It just doesn't make a
Speaker 1: lot of sense to me. But apparently like she kept
Speaker 1: all these gifts after their five month affair ended because
Speaker 1: he broke it off when he found out she was
Speaker 1: cheating in the apartment that he was paying for. I
Speaker 1: don't know how they got all that information, but that
Speaker 1: they have all this information.
Speaker 4: But the morning, isn't she like a sex worker? Yes?
Speaker 4: But these guys they they she convinced, is these guys that.
Speaker 1: They that they're really in love with them, Like, yes,
Speaker 1: I'm a sex worker, but you I really love you, know.
Speaker 1: So yeah, So the morning after he was killed Andrew Harlan,
Speaker 1: the lawsuit was dropped by Missus Harlan. So they're like, well,
Speaker 1: it sounds like they were in cahoots. They got to
Speaker 1: find Katya and missus Harlan might know where she is.
Speaker 1: At the Harlan home. Christina Harlan, that body is not
Speaker 1: even in the ground, and she is redecorating baby. She's like,
Speaker 1: I always wanted to put a little Russian red in here.
Speaker 1: I mean, she doesn't say Russian, she says red. Oh.
Speaker 1: She's like, I've always wanted to put more red in here.
Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah, I bet you didn't want to
Speaker 1: do that while your husband was fucking a Russian woman,
Speaker 1: but now you're free to do what you.
Speaker 4: Read remind me of mister big Oh.
Speaker 1: Yes, I had a red accent wall in my New
Speaker 1: York apartment, one red wall. I loved it. But you know,
Speaker 1: it is kind of crazy. So then they're asking her
Speaker 1: about the affair. Why didn't you tell us You literally
Speaker 1: showed us an old timey or a frame of all
Speaker 1: the men He's fucked, and like, why aren't you telling
Speaker 1: us about Katya? Like we think you're covering for her?
Speaker 1: And she goes me covering for that little bitch? How
Speaker 1: would you feel if your husband fell head over heels
Speaker 1: for a Russian whore? And then she goes onto a
Speaker 1: monologue they're everywhere, These are Russian women sucking the men dry,
Speaker 1: not only their money but their sanity. You never heard
Speaker 1: of the ultra Natasha's And I just like googled that
Speaker 1: because I was like, is that a thing? But if
Speaker 1: you look up ultra Natasha, it's literally some woman's makeup line,
Speaker 1: So I don't know where that's coming from. But she goes,
Speaker 1: did you know that Katya is Russian slang for one
Speaker 1: hundred dollars?
Speaker 4: Is that true? Not that I know of. But I'm
Speaker 4: just like a girl. You know, you're just a girl. Okay.
Speaker 2: My parents taught me the slang on what a you know,
Speaker 2: like a hooker's katya that were children, Like, I went,
Speaker 2: I knew a Katya? Yeah, a fun name that I like,
Speaker 2: But I'm not I'm not putting it past.
Speaker 1: The immediately thought it would be a fun tidbit to
Speaker 1: tell Katya the drag quen obviously, like you know she would.
Speaker 4: She speaks Russian too. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So this woman, this woman, Christina Harlan, she does not
Speaker 1: like Russian. Hole filthy. They're so filthy. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know if anyone is more filthy. Sometimes it comes
Speaker 1: on when I just turned the car on and the
Speaker 1: kids are there, I'm like, I got to turn this off.
Speaker 1: They're literally talking about like gaping assholes.
Speaker 4: I will not believe it.
Speaker 2: So me in this comic, Caitlin, we're sitting at the
Speaker 2: cellar table big deal, guys. So we're in the back
Speaker 2: and there's like people at the bar that I guess
Speaker 2: were at the earlier.
Speaker 4: Show that Kaitlyn went up at.
Speaker 2: We're sitting Suddenly this old man like like a meatball
Speaker 2: of a man, but like an Andrew Dice Clay vibe, like.
Speaker 4: Just kind of a grease ball, a greaseball.
Speaker 2: And he turns around, he looks at Kaitlin and goes,
Speaker 2: you have a good pussy or like what about that?
Speaker 2: Something like insane, and and it's it's also not busy,
Speaker 2: so it's like pretty dead. So everyone's kind of just
Speaker 2: like in shock. And then he goes, ah, my daughter's mad.
Speaker 2: I said that what what's the big deal. She talked
Speaker 2: about it for like three hours and Caitlyn looks at me.
Speaker 2: She goes, I did one joke.
Speaker 1: It was my closer, she goes, and I know, I
Speaker 1: know it happens all the time, but it was crazy.
Speaker 2: And then he came over. I think his he goes,
Speaker 2: I understand it was material. What I said was out
Speaker 2: of context, like it was, he goes, but then he goes.
Speaker 2: But I you know, I was.
Speaker 4: I grew up around the seventies and we said whatever
Speaker 4: we wanted.
Speaker 1: And it's like you can, but like it's fucking weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah you can, but people can hate you for it too. Yeah.
Speaker 2: To go up to someone and be like you got
Speaker 2: that good pussy, it was like so great, loud, like
Speaker 2: so nuts, Oh my.
Speaker 1: God, not a not a freedom of speech, old grease
Speaker 1: ball coming up to you.
Speaker 2: Because I'm sorry to mean too. And she's like, oh,
Speaker 2: she was really nice. I wonder if I would have
Speaker 2: been as nice. I think I would have gone you.
Speaker 2: I just went, like, my job truly dropped to this floor.
Speaker 2: And I'm not a prude, I don't feel but I
Speaker 2: looked and I was just like I was shocked. I
Speaker 2: was truly shocked.
Speaker 4: That is shocking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Christina Harlan hates Katya hates Russian women, like
Speaker 1: she's like, no one else is fucking my husband except
Speaker 1: Russian women. And it's like, I don't know, ma'am. It
Speaker 1: seems like the little artist downtown not Russian. She was
Speaker 1: fucking her husband for two weeks. So Adam is there too,
Speaker 1: the sun and he's like, yesterday afternoon, my mom drove
Speaker 1: me to a poetry convention. What what's a poetry convention?
Speaker 1: Is that a thing? I'm sure there forever? I mean
Speaker 1: there's but like conventions are like to me specifically about commerce.
Speaker 1: Usually like there could be poetry like like meet up
Speaker 1: send like conferences and stuff, but like a convention, people
Speaker 1: set up booths and what like sell their poetry. Like,
Speaker 1: what is a poetry convention? It's confusing to me. But
Speaker 1: he's the one. Somebody let me know. I'm sure our
Speaker 1: listeners one of you who has been to a poetry convention.
Speaker 1: And he's the one. Uh, he goes, I'm the one
Speaker 1: that told my mom to drop the suit. I didn't
Speaker 1: think she should keep it going. And then we find
Speaker 1: out that he was paying for Katya's ten k a month,
Speaker 1: two bedroom apartment. She doesn't know where it is. Check
Speaker 1: with my lawyers. She's already checked out of this conversation. Okay,
Speaker 1: So now we go to Kragan and he's getting a
Speaker 1: phone call from an upset Russian woman and he can't
Speaker 1: understand what she's saying, so he puts her on the
Speaker 1: phone with Munch, who speaks a little Russian. He says
Speaker 1: some shit in Russian, and then he goes, that was
Speaker 1: Sonya Petrovitch And it's like, you mean, the woman who
Speaker 1: just did a full monologue about the delicious power of
Speaker 1: helping men cheat on their wives. She can suddenly only
Speaker 1: speak Russian, Like why she cannot get her thought across
Speaker 1: to picture k Reagan And so I think it's again
Speaker 1: an excuse for Munch to like speak some Russian on
Speaker 1: the show. And she's upset. She's in Brighton Beach. Munch
Speaker 1: and Cassidy head out there. They get to this Brighton
Speaker 1: Beach apartment complex. There's a woman cleaning the stairs. It's
Speaker 1: very like old world seeming like this woman just has
Speaker 1: like a mop and a bucket cleaning the stairs. And
Speaker 1: then there's fucking bloody footprints on the ground going right
Speaker 1: up to the door of the apartment and they open
Speaker 1: it and Sonya is lying, they're dead, and her aunt
Speaker 1: I'm assuming because she said she lives with her aunt.
Speaker 1: There's like an older woman dead. They're both lying they're dead. Bloody,
Speaker 1: Cassidy goes, I better tell Baboosh gotta stop washing the stairs.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like, what's happening. Cassidy has all these
Speaker 1: like cheesy Russian jokes, but anyway, top of actory, Benson
Speaker 1: and Stablers show up. Cassidy makes a gross comment about
Speaker 1: making love with a hatchet, and Munch is like, this
Speaker 1: is not sex related, and Munch talks to Sonya's male
Speaker 1: cousin who comes out. He only speaks Russian. He invites
Speaker 1: them to a bar to drink and talk. They go,
Speaker 1: They ask them about Sonya's friends. He actually happens to
Speaker 1: have a picture of his cousin Sonya and all her
Speaker 1: pals as you carry on you uh, and Katya is
Speaker 1: in the picture, okay, So he's like pointing out that's Katya,
Speaker 1: and he offers them some Borshe okay, but they've got
Speaker 1: to go, And that's the first time we've finally seen Katya, okay,
Speaker 1: and she does look a lot like Sonya.
Speaker 4: It's like hard, why would they? That was hard for me?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then at the precinct, Craigan is asking questions
Speaker 1: like okay, so one victim strangled a two acts to death.
Speaker 4: But why Sonya? Why the aunt?
Speaker 1: And they're like, well, Sonya called and sounded nervous, and
Speaker 1: then in barges in this guy out of nowhere and
Speaker 1: he's like Benson Stobbler, Like that made me laugh? How
Speaker 1: he says Stobbler and he's like, I have information for you.
Speaker 1: So now he's in cement room bars, pouring his heart
Speaker 1: out to Benson and Stabler and talking about his scumbag
Speaker 1: dad who constantly cheated on his mind.
Speaker 4: This is like the most sickening thing. I hate this.
Speaker 1: I hate He's like my dad cheated on my mom
Speaker 1: in the same room as her, constantly treated her like shit.
Speaker 1: She was devoted to him through it all. She went
Speaker 1: with him to Siberia. That's real love. It's like that's
Speaker 1: indentured servitude, Like that's slavery essentially, Like she probably couldn't
Speaker 1: go anywhere else, your fucking mom. And then he's like
Speaker 1: that's real love. So it's like, why is this man
Speaker 1: just like randomly talking about like your.
Speaker 4: Wife, like.
Speaker 2: The room like it is. I don't know why you're
Speaker 2: not more mad at your dad, Like that's crazy.
Speaker 4: Well it's like this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like classic gross, like men can be as
Speaker 1: bad as they want and women are only virtuous if
Speaker 1: they sit through all of it. And he's like, you're
Speaker 1: trying to blame Katya, but I won't let you. And
Speaker 1: this actor is named Olek Krupa. He's Polish. He's in
Speaker 1: a million things. He's he's Victor Zukov, the general in
Speaker 1: the Americans. So I think he plays a Russian guy
Speaker 1: a lot, but he is Polish. And he confesses right
Speaker 1: there to the cops that he killed Andrew. He said,
Speaker 1: I killed him for treating Katya like that. My name
Speaker 1: is Alexander streets Off strews Off and and he brought
Speaker 1: Katya to the US, he arranged everything. She's like family
Speaker 1: to him. He loves her so much and he is
Speaker 1: devoted to her. And when Andrew sued her, he saw
Speaker 1: her pain and he had to end it. And it's
Speaker 1: like her pain, like she could have just given back
Speaker 1: the gifts. I mean, if it's really gonna be a
Speaker 1: lawsuit that you're gonna lose the gifts could just go
Speaker 1: back right, like, it's not life or death.
Speaker 2: I just don't trust this guy. I don't get what's happening.
Speaker 2: And this is where the show really goes off the rails.
Speaker 2: For me, it goes off the It's really hard for me.
Speaker 2: I can't I don't know. This episode gets so fucking nuts.
Speaker 2: So then he lights a cigarette.
Speaker 1: He starts smoking a cigarette, stablers like stop and then
Speaker 1: he just like chokes down a couple more puffs before
Speaker 1: he puts it away. And then he says, I shot
Speaker 1: Andrew and they're like, yeah, bro, he wasn't shot, and
Speaker 1: he's like, shot, not shot?
Speaker 4: Who cares? I did it? I killed him like a dog.
Speaker 4: And then he says.
Speaker 1: He says he knows Sonya when they ask do you
Speaker 1: know Sonya and he goes yeah, and they're like did
Speaker 1: you know she was murdered this morning? And he's like no,
Speaker 1: oh no, how tragic, and he says, well, I didn't
Speaker 1: kill Sonya, but I killed Andrew.
Speaker 4: Okay whatever.
Speaker 1: In a walk and Talk with Craigan, the gang is
Speaker 1: discussing why is this dude confessing when he obviously didn't
Speaker 1: do it. He's in love with Katya she's not into him.
Speaker 1: Maybe he thinks that confession will win her over.
Speaker 4: Hope. Sometimes that's all love is.
Speaker 1: They say, let's go find this Katya, but like Benson
Speaker 1: keeps saying Katya, Katya the way she says it. But
Speaker 1: next scene is an Upper east Side doorman and you
Speaker 1: know Upper east Side doorman's love a Katya.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 1: He's like, oh, she's beautiful, she's a nice, honest girl,
Speaker 1: big tipper and he recognizes a picture of Andrew Harlan.
Speaker 1: He's here all the time and he's a really big tipper,
Speaker 1: but I haven't seen him in a few weeks. And
Speaker 1: he tells them Katya left an hour ago, dressed up
Speaker 1: in a beautiful gown, and they're like, well, which way
Speaker 1: did the cab go? As if they're gonna be able
Speaker 1: to track her down by northeast southwest and they're like,
Speaker 1: cab she takes a car service and he goes five
Speaker 1: five five oh one zero zero, the easiest number to remember.
Speaker 1: I don't know why, uh, And so I guess through
Speaker 1: the car service we've tracked her down. She's at the
Speaker 1: Peninsula Hotel.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: And that's like near penn Station, right. Benson and Stabler
Speaker 1: tracked down Katya. She's holding a cigarette giving the cops
Speaker 1: a slutty grin as they approach her, Like she is
Speaker 1: really looking unbothered and horny.
Speaker 4: Okay. They're asking her about her affair with Harlan and she.
Speaker 1: Immediately asked She immediately asked, stabler, are you attracted to me?
Speaker 4: Do you want to make love to me?
Speaker 1: It's so weird, like why are you being so sexual
Speaker 1: to this random cop? But I guess they're trying to
Speaker 1: say in Russia, that's what you do. But he's like, uh,
Speaker 1: why don't you just answer my questions? And she's like,
Speaker 1: why don't you answer mine first? And he's like, well,
Speaker 1: what's that gonna cost me? And she's like, you're a
Speaker 1: broke ass cop, you cannot afford me. I think she's
Speaker 1: honestly like, I actually just like think you're hot and
Speaker 1: would fuck you, but I know you're not gonna give
Speaker 1: me anything I need. She wants to know if oh,
Speaker 1: who sent you his wife Christina? And then they tell
Speaker 1: her about Sonya, like did you know Sonya's dead? And
Speaker 1: she goes, I know. I'm very sad. She was a
Speaker 1: good friend, but I have to move on with my life.
Speaker 1: It's been hours. Okay, it's been hours since Sonya was
Speaker 1: brutally hatcheted to death in her apartment. And she's like,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm so sad, but I had to get
Speaker 1: dressed and come to this party. And she's like, I
Speaker 1: don't know what. Who would want to kill her? She
Speaker 1: was innocent? And they're like, well, you need to come
Speaker 1: with us, and she's like, well, am I under arrest.
Speaker 1: I do respect her for knowing her rights. And they're like,
Speaker 1: well no, and she goes, well then I say no,
Speaker 1: and Benson goes, well, you better get your ass down
Speaker 1: to the precinct tomorrow morning and wear sweats because it's
Speaker 1: going to take a long time. And she goes, I'm
Speaker 1: too busy, and she's I fucking stabler like the whole time,
Speaker 1: and Benson's over this shit. She's like, babe, nine am,
Speaker 1: you're down at our office or immigration's at your house
Speaker 1: by nine oh five, and she goes, this is America.
Speaker 4: You can't do this. Lol.
Speaker 1: They absolutely can and do, and Benson goes, hate to
Speaker 1: break it to you, but cops are the same everywhere.
Speaker 4: And Katya's like, okay, but can we make it noon.
Speaker 4: I'm not a morning person. They really are giving her
Speaker 4: a lot of leeway, a lot of time away. She goes,
Speaker 4: I might not even be home by nine.
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, babe, if you've got to meet with
Speaker 1: the cops in the morning, maybe call it a night early,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 4: Now we're in wood room blinds.
Speaker 1: The next day with Katya and she's back on her bullshit,
Speaker 1: trying to smoke a cigarette in the room and then
Speaker 1: she's like, well, then I'm gonna go if I can't smoke,
Speaker 1: because I can't talk without smoking, And Sabler puts out
Speaker 1: her butt in a coffee cup and moves on with
Speaker 1: the questions, and she's still.
Speaker 4: Flirting with him. Are you married?
Speaker 1: And they ask about Alexander, who is this guy who
Speaker 1: confessed and she's like, oh, he's a nice man, good heart,
Speaker 1: very generous, and they're like, well he confessed to Andrew's murder,
Speaker 1: and she goes, oh, yeah, he's always had a bad temper.
Speaker 1: She's just like moving with the story, you know, like
Speaker 1: whatever wherever the wind takes her, she's going for it.
Speaker 1: And they tell her, well, he actually didn't do it,
Speaker 1: and we found your fingerprint and Sonya's fingerprint, and she goes, well,
Speaker 1: I wore gloves and they're like, okay, so you admit
Speaker 1: that you were there, and she goes, yeah, I didn't
Speaker 1: want to break a nail on all that BDSM gear.
Speaker 1: She's says, me and Sonya went to Andrew's house to
Speaker 1: tease him. No one gets away with treating me like
Speaker 1: he did. I let him tie me up so many times.
Speaker 1: And then he sues me he appreciated nothing I did
Speaker 1: for him. So they're like, yeah, but you cheated on him, right,
Speaker 1: and he goes, I cheated on him. He I found
Speaker 1: him in bed with two men. And it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: so he cheated on you and then sued you for
Speaker 1: the two million dollars. Like none of this is like
Speaker 1: making sense to me, And then she goes, I thought
Speaker 1: he was moamous exactly. So then if he's gonna give
Speaker 1: two million dollars worth of gifts, I don't think he's
Speaker 1: expecting anything in return, like expecting them back if they
Speaker 1: don't get married, you know what I mean. But it's
Speaker 1: confusing because then the daughters like, he really fell in
Speaker 1: love with Katya, So what is it, Like does this
Speaker 1: guy hate monogamy or does Katya have something that he
Speaker 1: really fell in love with like, I don't know, but
Speaker 1: either way, you went to the home of a man
Speaker 1: who was suing you, so he's obviously mad at you
Speaker 1: and you're mad at him, and you, guys are just
Speaker 1: gonna he likes sex that much and he's just gonna
Speaker 1: still fuck around.
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe, yeah, for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So they're like, why did you bring Sonia and she goes, sometimes,
Speaker 1: we did threesome. You should try it. It's fun, and
Speaker 1: then she goes, I'm not lesbian. Neither is Sonya. She
Speaker 1: admired me. She was very feminine. But two men yet,
Speaker 1: so she's finding time to be homophobic, like she can't.
Speaker 1: She's like, yes, I'll do a threesome, but two men
Speaker 1: with my sugar daddy's not okay with me.
Speaker 4: And they're like, well, yeah, you weren't. You weren't really crying.
Speaker 1: Over his death, and she's like, I need to be
Speaker 1: stable in my life, so I have to sleep with
Speaker 1: men like him, then I can be free to fall
Speaker 1: in love without a business interest and okay. So after
Speaker 1: they were done teasing Andrew quote unquote, she went to
Speaker 1: hear Sonya sing and meet a friend, she said, and
Speaker 1: they're like, okay, did you put the banana up Andrew's ass,
Speaker 1: and she goes, yes, he's allergic to bananas. But if
Speaker 1: that killed him, it was an honest mistake. It's bizarre,
Speaker 1: like you left him chained up there with a banana
Speaker 1: up his ass, which would have like tortured him because
Speaker 1: he would have gotten hives all over. But then his
Speaker 1: wife was out of town, like he was just gonna
Speaker 1: like sit there the whole weekend, like tied tied to
Speaker 1: in all of his BDSM gear, like I don't know
Speaker 1: what's happening. So now they're in Kragan's office and he's spiraling.
Speaker 1: He's like, cabaret spas, salons, rich boyfriends, hookers, what's going on?
Speaker 1: And then he's He's like maybe it's the Russian mob
Speaker 1: And Benson's like, yeah, but what is the big deal
Speaker 1: about this Katya girl? Like this guy was so rich
Speaker 1: he could have had anyone like why her? You know,
Speaker 1: like he could have honestly probably stayed with Becky the
Speaker 1: art girl and brought her around to all his little
Speaker 1: parties and been like how hot is it that I'm
Speaker 1: fucking this twenty four year old artist that used to
Speaker 1: be my son's girlfriend.
Speaker 4: But that is the pro Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 4: can't fin and that's true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no, there's no you cannot fake experience.
Speaker 4: So true.
Speaker 1: So Stabler goes, well, maybe the girlfriend of a Russian
Speaker 1: mobster has a certain Juni se qua and then they
Speaker 1: like all start joking about French it's boring. And then
Speaker 1: Craigan goes go back to the place where Sonya was
Speaker 1: a singer and find out what her boyfriend, the owner's
Speaker 1: deal is.
Speaker 4: Okay, this guy Victor. Okay.
Speaker 1: Back at Moscow restaurants, where there's so many locations in
Speaker 1: the early seasons too, they're like going here and there,
Speaker 1: Like they go all the way to her apartment just
Speaker 1: to talk to a doorman so he can go She's
Speaker 1: not here, you know, Like it's like they do.
Speaker 4: So many locations.
Speaker 1: So back at Moscow, the bartender goes, poor, poor Sonya,
Speaker 1: what can I get you to drink? Like everyone is
Speaker 1: very Russian about this. They're just like, let's move on,
Speaker 1: like we were not talking about the dead girl, what
Speaker 1: do you.
Speaker 4: Let's get a drink.
Speaker 1: In you, okay, and then a guy walks up to
Speaker 1: Benson and Stabler and goes, please join me, and they're
Speaker 1: like sure, So they go back to the back of
Speaker 1: the place where the gross guy from the hot tub
Speaker 1: earlier is sitting at a table. I'm guessing this is Victor,
Speaker 1: the guy who also owns the club, right, we didn't
Speaker 1: know his name was Victor before. He's like never been
Speaker 1: identified as Victor. Anyway, this is Victor, I guess. And
Speaker 1: he's sitting at the table. He's showing away his two
Speaker 1: arm hotties. He's got like fuck you and fuck me
Speaker 1: from fucking to awesome powers these two girls on the
Speaker 1: side of him, and then the guy who brings them
Speaker 1: back there will only allow Stabler to approach the table.
Speaker 4: So very orthodox Jewish, but like why originally, Like.
Speaker 1: Only only women can talk to women, only men can
Speaker 1: talk to men is what we're like getting here in
Speaker 1: this episode. So the guy immediately starts lamenting Sonya's death.
Speaker 1: He goes, oh, my wife liked Sonya so much? Is
Speaker 1: it one of those girls? Probably not, uh she my
Speaker 1: wife loved to listen to her sing, And then he's
Speaker 1: bullshitting stable about life is about choices, blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: and eventually he brings up Alexander Strewsaw or whatever. He
Speaker 1: tries to make it seem like Alexander is a beat guy.
Speaker 1: Victor tries to make it seem like Alexander's a bad guy,
Speaker 1: but there's no proof.
Speaker 4: He's like, what proof? What do you mean proof? I'm
Speaker 4: just having a friendly conversation.
Speaker 1: I work for the airline business, which is like very
Speaker 1: mafia coded, like I'm in I'm in waste management. You know,
Speaker 1: Like you work in the airline business. Okay, are you're
Speaker 1: a sex trafficker? Like I don't, I don't understand, Like
Speaker 1: what airline do you work for?
Speaker 4: TSA? What is it?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 1: Now, Cassidy and Munch are on the boardwalk at Brighton
Speaker 1: Beach talking to people when they run into Sonya's male cousin,
Speaker 1: the drunk the guy from earlier that wanted to go
Speaker 1: drink with them and offer them the borsch. He's now
Speaker 1: wasted and speaks English, and Munch and Cassidy are pissed.
Speaker 1: They're like, now you speak fucking English And the guy's
Speaker 1: like when I'm only when I'm drunk I can speak English.
Speaker 1: But he's like very good at it, like he speaks
Speaker 1: perfectly good English.
Speaker 4: And the guy starts telling them and he's hammered, who
Speaker 4: my dad, Oh he does yeah.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. We're like, why are you speaking English?
Speaker 1: Like we all understand you, but yeah, so funny. How
Speaker 1: good is he the truth? It's a mess.
Speaker 4: How good is he drunk? I don't know. I guess
Speaker 4: it's been a while. It's been a while.
Speaker 1: I would say I was always super fluent in Italian
Speaker 1: when I was drunk, because you just don't have the
Speaker 1: self consciousness. You're just like, so I'm fucking up a
Speaker 1: verb or a pronoun here or there. Let's keep going,
Speaker 1: you know, we're having fun. And people would always be like,
Speaker 1: you speak great Italian. I'd be like, I'm wasted, you know.
Speaker 1: But Cassidy and Munch are talking to this guy and
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, I heard about I heard Alex and
Speaker 1: Sonya having sex that day with spanking, and then I
Speaker 1: thought that's okay, and then it turned into screaming and
Speaker 1: murder and then he goes, you losers, you are more
Speaker 1: stupid than my ass to Munch in Cassidy, which you know, okay.
Speaker 1: So you're writing this script like what's the point of
Speaker 1: this character. There's so many characters that are like, what's
Speaker 1: so hard? One of the hardest episodes, and I feel
Speaker 1: like they're trying to do a movie, but I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's really hard. It's a hard one. It's so it
Speaker 1: just keeps being like and it's like, oh, this character Alexander,
Speaker 1: he just walks in and act three and he's actually
Speaker 1: a huge part of it.
Speaker 4: Like it's just weird the way that it structured.
Speaker 1: Also, this episode is like all order or like no law,
Speaker 1: Like there's no it's all the cops and none of
Speaker 1: the court. So yeah, anyway, now Stabler is back taking
Speaker 1: another run at Katya. I don't know if it's the
Speaker 1: same fucking day or a different day or whatever. But
Speaker 1: they tell her we think Alex killed Sonya and Andrew,
Speaker 1: but we don't really know why. They ask Katya, did
Speaker 1: you know Sonya and Alex were fucking? And she goes, so,
Speaker 1: maybe she wasn't as good in bed as me, but
Speaker 1: that's no reason to kill her.
Speaker 4: I mean, this woman finding a way to like.
Speaker 1: Brag about her sexual prowess while talking about her murdered
Speaker 1: friend is wild. Katya is unable to speak to Stabler
Speaker 1: without flirting and being seductive, like she just can't like
Speaker 1: look at him without like giving him bedroomise, and Benson
Speaker 1: interrupts and is like, can I speak to her alone
Speaker 1: for a minute.
Speaker 4: So it's like, we got to clear the room.
Speaker 1: We got to clear the testosterone out of the room
Speaker 1: because she cannot function while there's a penis in the room. Okay,
Speaker 1: And so Stabler leaves and Benson tells her, bitch, do
Speaker 1: you know how easy it would be to convict you.
Speaker 1: You admit being there, your fingerprints are there, there was
Speaker 1: a lawsuit against you from him. It's a no brainer
Speaker 1: to prove you guilty. And she goes, but I am
Speaker 1: not guilty, and they're like, so help us catch Alex
Speaker 1: and she goes, I'm busy, and they're like, okay, so
Speaker 1: you don't feel any fear or guilt or are you
Speaker 1: just a sex machine with a cash register between your legs.
Speaker 4: Benson says to her, wow.
Speaker 1: Okay, and then she goes, or maybe you're just too
Speaker 1: scared to get involved, and Katya is like, bingo, bitch,
Speaker 1: I'm in a war and I want to survive, some die,
Speaker 1: some win. No one helps anyone, which is interesting because
Speaker 1: Sonya's thing was I only help my friends, like I
Speaker 1: gotta rely on my friends, like they're all I have
Speaker 1: in this world. And she ends up fucking dead, and
Speaker 1: this woman's like, no one helps you like you look
Speaker 1: out for you. You're the bottom line. She goes, alex
Speaker 1: is upset about, like why won't fuck him anymore? And
Speaker 1: they're like, well, why won't you, like because you have
Speaker 1: to like go work on your nails. You make a
Speaker 1: living sleeping with men, Like why not sleep with him?
Speaker 1: And she goes, you should sleep with more men. It
Speaker 1: would help you. You wouldn't be such a mean bitch,
Speaker 1: is what Katya says.
Speaker 4: To stay to Benson. And then she goes, I catch.
Speaker 1: Murderers for a living, so we're not so different from Russia,
Speaker 1: especially the prisons. No Champagne, no caviat and Katya goes,
Speaker 1: I don't believe you, and Benson's like I'm done. She
Speaker 1: gets up, pulls Katya up to arrest her, puts her
Speaker 1: hand behind her back. We do notice that Katya's shirt
Speaker 1: has one working button and it's doing a lot of work.
Speaker 1: It's struggling hard to keep it together. Katya folds and
Speaker 1: is like okay, okay, just like I'll talk just this once,
Speaker 1: and then she goes, I guess I'm in the mood
Speaker 1: for horse Radish vodka, and Benson's like what as am I?
Speaker 1: And she goes at the restaurant, Alex hangs out at
Speaker 1: my favorite vodka is horse Radish?
Speaker 4: What is happening?
Speaker 1: So now back at the somehow this is like her
Speaker 1: in code saying I'm going to go undercover for you.
Speaker 4: I guess.
Speaker 1: So we're at the Moscow restaurant. She's flirting with Alex.
Speaker 1: They're pawing at each other at the bar. The cops
Speaker 1: are listening in a van. Okay, she's obviously wired up.
Speaker 1: They did they get a translator to translate their conversation
Speaker 1: or did they just rely on Munch as like semester
Speaker 1: of college Russian from forty years ago?
Speaker 4: It's the second one.
Speaker 1: They can kind of hear what they're saying, but they
Speaker 1: Munch doesn't know a lot of what they're talking about.
Speaker 4: And then he just hears Alex say I should.
Speaker 1: Just get it over with now, and so they're like, uh, fuck,
Speaker 1: move in. So Alex has a gun. All the cops
Speaker 1: are in the restaurant, gun's drawn on him, but he's
Speaker 1: got a gun, and he's like, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: hurt anyone. He empties all the bullets out of his
Speaker 1: gun except for one Russian roulette right, spins the chamber
Speaker 1: and points it at himself.
Speaker 4: How I love games? Yeah, yeah, this gay, This is
Speaker 4: a wild game.
Speaker 1: I love roulette regular And he tells he's like, I'm
Speaker 1: going to tell you a Russian love poem.
Speaker 4: You can listen, or you can just shoot me.
Speaker 1: And I don't know why they don't just shoot him
Speaker 1: to maim him, Like don't they learn how to shoot
Speaker 1: to mame, Like shoot someone in the leg, shoot someone
Speaker 1: in the arm.
Speaker 4: Like I don't keep shooting at you, Like maybe it's
Speaker 4: like you know what I mean, Like, if they they're
Speaker 4: going to shoot at you, that's true.
Speaker 1: Gun and it has one bullet, but he's pointing.
Speaker 4: At himself, that's true. I guess he could have turned
Speaker 4: it off. Maybe he wanted, you know, death by a cop.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So he tells them I brought Katya here. I
Speaker 1: loved her. I did everything for her. I wanted to
Speaker 1: marry her, but she betrayed me. And he brings up
Speaker 1: his mother's blind devotion to the ass.
Speaker 4: Why don't you have blind devotion towards her? Let her
Speaker 4: cheat on you? If he's the man, he's the man,
Speaker 4: that's what women do. Fucking loser.
Speaker 1: So he keeps pulling the trigger of the gun as
Speaker 1: this story is going on, but he's getting the empty rounds.
Speaker 4: Okay, he goes.
Speaker 1: I went into the home after the girls tied up Andrew,
Speaker 1: and I strangled him to death with a rope. I
Speaker 1: wanted to teach Katya a lesson, make her pay and
Speaker 1: respect me. What why does that make her pay? She
Speaker 1: literally doesn't have to pay back this two million dollar
Speaker 1: lawsuit now and she can move on and find her
Speaker 1: next guy. I guess murdering somebody's like, but they weren't
Speaker 1: together anymore, so it's not like she's a meal ticket anymore.
Speaker 4: Also, you broke.
Speaker 1: Into a townhouse, you follow like I don't know, like
Speaker 1: they left him like lying there, tied up. I don't
Speaker 1: actually believe this is what happened. I'll tell my thoughts
Speaker 1: at the end, which is getting close. I told Sonya
Speaker 1: sometimes you make stupid mistakes. I didn't want to kill her,
Speaker 1: but I could kill her because I didn't love her.
Speaker 1: I told the aunt to go to the store, but
Speaker 1: it was closed and she came back too soon. Again
Speaker 1: the why are you killing Sonya? Sonya barely says anything.
Speaker 1: She doesn't tell anything, like she's not given up anything
Speaker 1: to the cops, Like, I guess I know that Russian
Speaker 1: mafia people like kill people even for speaking to the
Speaker 1: cops at all, but in this case, it's like, I
Speaker 1: don't even know what this guy's deal is. Is he
Speaker 1: in the Russian mob or is he just obsessed with Katya?
Speaker 1: This episode is insane. And he's like, I just wanted
Speaker 1: to be happy to live with Katya in America. But
Speaker 1: she hurt me. No one hurts me, not even this gun.
Speaker 1: See how lucky I am. And then we hear a
Speaker 1: gunshot and he goes down. And now we cut to
Speaker 1: the boardwalk and Benson and Stabler are leaning against the
Speaker 1: railing and they're looking kind of shook about the whole thing.
Speaker 1: And then Ben Sabler goes, let's get out of here,
Speaker 1: and then they start to walk off and they head home,
Speaker 1: and then they have this whole conversation where it's just
Speaker 1: the back of them, which feels like it's an adr.
Speaker 4: Thing or something that they added in, and.
Speaker 1: Benson goes, some people consider death a blessing, that this
Speaker 1: was not. This was no blessing, and Stabler's like, what
Speaker 1: a mess. And then Benson goes blowing people's heads off
Speaker 1: because of some vodka induced third rate notion of tragedy.
Speaker 1: No one's had got blown off in the whole episode,
Speaker 1: no one's had got blown off.
Speaker 4: Not one head was blown off.
Speaker 1: Stabler goes, it's a lot of crap, and for this
Speaker 1: they come to America and that's dick wolfbaby.
Speaker 4: I just have like so many.
Speaker 1: Questions, like if he's really confessing, why would he confess
Speaker 1: the wrong way? Because I think Katya did kill Andrew
Speaker 1: and that she he is covering for her. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: that when he killed himself it stops the investigation because
Speaker 1: he confessed.
Speaker 4: He says, I strangled him, I snuck in.
Speaker 1: Now he knows, he knows the modus operanda, like now
Speaker 1: he knows the MO.
Speaker 4: So maybe they that saves Katyas.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's this final act of love for Katya that
Speaker 1: he does this, and then he kills Sonya because Sonya
Speaker 1: could have turned on her son. We had to get
Speaker 1: rid of Sonya because if Sonya was there for the murder,
Speaker 1: she could have eventually turned. He was getting rid of
Speaker 1: all witnesses and then he killed I think that has
Speaker 1: to kind of be what happened, because why else would
Speaker 1: you come in give the wrong confession, say you killed
Speaker 1: him but not the right way. Like, listen, Katya is great,
Speaker 1: why are you killing Sonya? It's like killing it. Katya
Speaker 1: is the top Russian horror of Yeah, the people are
Speaker 1: just killing themselves and others. Yeah, and that guy Victor
Speaker 1: is also kind of trying to like frame Alex and
Speaker 1: they're a bad guy.
Speaker 2: I like, this is like the craziest episode. The men
Speaker 2: are all drunks and look alike, the women are all
Speaker 2: blonde and look alike. Like, I don't understand why they
Speaker 2: couldn't get different looking guys and girls.
Speaker 4: It's crazy. It is crazy, but I mean a wild episode.
Speaker 1: It feels like it was back when they were probably
Speaker 1: just trying to be really ambitious on the show and
Speaker 1: do a lot of like crazy plots, because it just
Speaker 1: feels like, Wow, you guys did a little bit too much.
Speaker 3: You know what.
Speaker 4: I would have loved. I would have loved if it
Speaker 4: really did.
Speaker 1: Turn out that the wife and Katya were in cahoots
Speaker 1: and they like that, like all her shit about Russian
Speaker 1: women was kind of bullshit and she was lying and
Speaker 1: that really she was like, yeah, we just got rid
Speaker 1: of him so that we could all get more money.
Speaker 1: And you know, he's a compulsive sex freak and we
Speaker 1: just not to kink shame anyone. But that's what his
Speaker 1: wife thought about him. Yeah. Anyway, let's get to the
Speaker 1: crime because I'm excited.
Speaker 2: This is the case of a man named Lance Herndon,
Speaker 2: and he was an Atlanta computer consulting businessman, millionaire and
Speaker 2: he was he was Okay, so I started doing an accent.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, so russious.
Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, the woman that plays what
Speaker 1: did you think of the accents? Because the woman that
Speaker 1: plays Katya American, but he had a sort of Russian
Speaker 1: sounding last name, so I might have like Russian heritage
Speaker 1: but was born.
Speaker 4: In the US.
Speaker 1: And then I think the woman that played Sonya is Russian,
Speaker 1: but I looked her up.
Speaker 4: It's overly hard. It's none of it sounds smooth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially when they're speaking in monologue weird English.
Speaker 4: Of it sounds great. But I'm thrilled to be a
Speaker 4: part of it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, and Lance was found dead and there was no
Speaker 2: shortage of suspects who might have wanted him dead.
Speaker 4: Done done, Okay.
Speaker 1: So it was actually Roswell, Georgia, and it's like an
Speaker 1: upper class suburb and he had a house there just
Speaker 1: north of Atlanta.
Speaker 4: He was very successful.
Speaker 2: He was appointed by President Clinton to the nineteen ninety
Speaker 2: five White House Conference on Small Businesses.
Speaker 4: So he was successful.
Speaker 2: And then August ninth, nineteen ninety six, he was found
Speaker 2: bludgeoned to death at his home at the age of
Speaker 2: forty one. A single non fatal blow to the back
Speaker 2: of his head that possibly disoriented him, and then multiple
Speaker 2: blows to the front and right side of his face
Speaker 2: that crushed all his facial bones inward and did cause
Speaker 2: his dad.
Speaker 4: Oh god, that's really forceful. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So basically one of his employees, so he was a
Speaker 2: hard worker, and he usually is in the office by
Speaker 2: five am, up and working, and he operated from his
Speaker 2: house often. And so one of his employees, Holly Stuber,
Speaker 2: went into his property because she's like, it's eight am.
Speaker 4: Where the fuck is he?
Speaker 2: He's not answering his pages nineteen ninety six and there's
Speaker 2: nothing on his caliber is blowing up. I'm yeah, beeper
Speaker 2: so fucking cool. I want the bubblegum beeper. Do you
Speaker 2: remember those? Like the clear beepers and the gum was
Speaker 2: in it with the gum. I wonder if I could
Speaker 2: buy that okay, So around bab, I don't fuck with eBay.
Speaker 2: I bought a printer or I bought a VCR. It
Speaker 2: wasn't good. So it's that's it. Oh yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: trust the games they play there. It's not for me.
Speaker 2: I like things to like come into my life in
Speaker 2: a chill manner. I'm an Etsy girl.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Etsy's for girls, Ebays for boys. That's so how I feel.
Speaker 4: That's that.
Speaker 2: So it's ten am and his mother arrives as well,
Speaker 2: and she, like she always does, she helps with the business,
Speaker 2: but he's not downstairs, so she goes upstairs. She finds
Speaker 2: him in his bedroom. It is a waterbed, there's blood
Speaker 2: spatter on the walls, he's unresponsive, he's naked, there's porn
Speaker 2: in the VCR, and his death unfortunately kind of sullied
Speaker 2: his successful reputation. He was known as the celebrity entrepreneur
Speaker 2: like a Great Gatsby vibe, and then with the porn,
Speaker 2: naked lots of girlfriends, it kind of like his public
Speaker 2: you know, it overshadowed his public and professional image. So
Speaker 2: the theories were like it could be business rivals or
Speaker 2: one of his many girlfriends. And around town he was
Speaker 2: known as a woman iSER, and this is according to
Speaker 2: be Et. And he was married and divorced three times,
Speaker 2: and at the time of the murder, he was involved
Speaker 2: with about half a dozen women, and that's according to
Speaker 2: the Tampa Bay Times. So he's just like out and
Speaker 2: about fucking. He's hot, he's rich, good to his mother,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. He's generous, he's letting people
Speaker 2: drive Mercedes Mercedes like he's living the life worth millions,
Speaker 2: on the cutting edge of technology, giant clients. So I
Speaker 2: was confused because this crime is salacious enough that like,
Speaker 2: but there was more articles about press for the dateline
Speaker 2: coming out, or the original two part movie Love and
Speaker 2: Murder Atlanta, Playboy, or an Oxygen episode like the Real
Speaker 2: Murders of Atlanta. So there's all these shows but not
Speaker 2: a lot of news articles. And then there's also a
Speaker 2: book written on it called Redbone, Money, Malice and Murder
Speaker 2: in Atlanta.
Speaker 4: And all the articles for a while were like teasing.
Speaker 4: They were like, oh, all the there would be like
Speaker 4: they would ask spicy questions and then all the links
Speaker 4: are dead. You can't find anything streaming.
Speaker 2: One of them was like gum wrappers in the wrench
Speaker 2: that tie the story together and then I'm like, where
Speaker 2: is the information? And then I understood why, and this
Speaker 2: is why I think AI is bad. And it's proof
Speaker 2: because I wonder if a I would have figured this out.
Speaker 2: But it happened days within the nineteen ninety six Atlanta
Speaker 2: Olympic bombing, so it just kind of fell under in
Speaker 2: the news, like there was such bombing at the Olympics
Speaker 2: in the city, and we've covered a few crimes like that,
Speaker 2: where like they just didn't get attention during the and
Speaker 2: got overshadowed by other, like really big cases.
Speaker 4: That's crazy because that was Matt.
Speaker 2: I mean that was like huge, yeah, of course, and
Speaker 2: you know what, that seemed so big, but I'm like,
Speaker 2: no one ever even really thinks about it. And it
Speaker 2: was a full bombing at the Olympics in Atlanta, Like
Speaker 2: what the fuck?
Speaker 1: And that I mean they just that That movie just
Speaker 1: came out with Paul walter Hauser that I didn't get
Speaker 1: to see.
Speaker 2: But I do like him, Like you just said, just
Speaker 2: I bet it was six years ago Google when it
Speaker 2: came out.
Speaker 4: No, he was just nominated for a.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like it was a
Speaker 2: decade ago, oh twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: You're right six years ago. Fuck yeah, exactly six years ago.
Speaker 1: I someone was just talking about him on a podcast
Speaker 1: about him getting nominated. I got a mistaken movie grid.
Speaker 1: There was a TV grid and for greta Lee TV
Speaker 1: show of three, inciting me.
Speaker 4: Schumer didn't count.
Speaker 2: So I emailed them going, hey, boys, excuse me, and
Speaker 2: they went, sorry, are bad Our TV database isn't as good.
Speaker 1: I go, no worries, just making sure you're on top
Speaker 1: of it. You could reset my puzzle, thank you. So yeah, so,
Speaker 1: and it is, you know.
Speaker 2: And it is also an interesting case because it's referred
Speaker 2: to as like black Mecca, and that's according to Ron Stodgehill.
Speaker 2: And he's the author of the book that I mentioned earlier,
Speaker 2: and he researched this case for three years and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it was a black millionaire, black prosecutor and black DA
Speaker 2: and it was unique and he had just had a
Speaker 2: lot of fascination with the case. And Clint Rucker, who
Speaker 2: is the prosecutor of the case and then retired eventually
Speaker 2: as an executive DA and he comes in later, but
Speaker 2: he worked at the DA's office for twenty six years.
Speaker 2: Fun fact, his first trial partner Nancy Grace. Nancy Grace
Speaker 2: so pretty wow. And then he did the classic. He
Speaker 2: became a private defense attorney. It seems like that's what
Speaker 2: everyone does. That's like Luigi's lawyer. Like, I think she
Speaker 2: worked twenty seven years and then switched on over. I
Speaker 2: think they get really high in the DA's office and
Speaker 2: then they're like, I'm gonna get rich. Now I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go get rid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Nancy Grace, dide you you are a top mom.
Speaker 4: That brisen Lee let her toddler die.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, my sister and I love talking to
Speaker 1: each other in a Nancy Graces voice.
Speaker 4: I just enjoyed listening to it.
Speaker 2: He handled about one hundred and fifty homicides, but he
Speaker 2: come okay, So he said, this case has everything. He's
Speaker 2: like stuff on, it's got sex, it's got power, it's
Speaker 2: got lies, and was a who done it for a
Speaker 2: long time. And that's according to the Atlanta Journal Constitution.
Speaker 2: I don't know what that is. So like I said,
Speaker 2: really hard to fight, Okay. So police said there was
Speaker 2: no fourth century and it did not appear that anything
Speaker 2: had been stolen. There were no weapons found at the scene,
Speaker 2: no fingerprints, no witnesses, but then one of his lovers
Speaker 2: ended up incriminating herself two years later in her divorce
Speaker 2: proceedings in nineteen ninety eight. So January nineteen ninety eight,
Speaker 2: she mentions that she spoke to her mother in law,
Speaker 2: Barbara Nelson, a few weeks after the murder, and during
Speaker 2: that conversation, she admitted to this mother in law that
Speaker 2: she had been to Lance's home on the night he
Speaker 2: was killed, even though she told the cops she was
Speaker 2: not there. So that was kind of the smoking gun
Speaker 2: they needed. And they had interviewed her. They've interviewed a
Speaker 2: lot of people. They were suspicious of her, but they
Speaker 2: didn't have the evidence. So dion Bas was a Jamaican
Speaker 2: immigrant and she was pissed at Lance. Herndon he and
Speaker 2: there's a lot there's a few different theories and reasons
Speaker 2: and it could be all of them. So he refused
Speaker 2: to appear in court to ask for the charges against
Speaker 2: her that he pressed earlier for trespassing at his home.
Speaker 2: She was he was like, yeah, I'll come to court
Speaker 2: and like clear your shit up, and then he did
Speaker 2: not go to court. She also saw him with another
Speaker 2: woman and got fucking pissed, and then he had friends
Speaker 2: claim that he was telling them like, I need to
Speaker 2: get rid of her. She's obsessive and controlling, Like I
Speaker 2: do not like her vibe. And so after they like
Speaker 2: kind of broke up, she was arrested for criminal trespass
Speaker 2: outside his home a month earlier, and the court date
Speaker 2: for the charges was the day the victim was found dead. Okay,
Speaker 2: So basically she's one of the girlfriends. She's like, she
Speaker 2: sees him with another woman and she's fucking pissed, so
Speaker 2: she tries to trespass. He presses charges and she's like,
Speaker 2: come on, stop that come to court and cleared this up.
Speaker 2: And he doesn't come to court and then he's found dead.
Speaker 2: Wow yeah okay, So and then some sources say that
Speaker 2: like she also was super pissed that he wouldn't like
Speaker 2: fuck her anymore, like she wanted she just wanted it,
Speaker 2: but she also got a lot of perks and stuff.
Speaker 2: The DA also claimed that she was pissed because he
Speaker 2: asked for his car and credit card back. She also
Speaker 2: did have a husband and son back in Jamaica, and
Speaker 2: basically she also started dating him like in a very
Speaker 2: Hilaria Baldwin way, like she forced her way into like
Speaker 2: faked and like a invite to his birthday and got
Speaker 2: to his party and like wanted his ass because he
Speaker 2: is like, you know, rich and hot and like nicely,
Speaker 2: he said. The evidence they eventually did find, but it
Speaker 2: all ended up being circumstantial and it was like a
Speaker 2: hard trial, so they well, not really, it's.
Speaker 4: Not circumstantial at all. Okay, listen.
Speaker 2: So they found a bloody pillow case stuffed into the
Speaker 2: toilet in the master bathroom, so like pretty clear his
Speaker 2: outfit from the night before gone. All his alarm clocks
Speaker 2: and phones were unplugged because he woke up so fucking
Speaker 2: early and the business was run out of his home,
Speaker 2: so if the alarms were all going off, it would
Speaker 2: be suspicious. That means the person who did it knew
Speaker 2: his schedule to unplug all of the alarm clocks. He
Speaker 2: loved getting up early. He was in the office at
Speaker 2: five am. Yeah, like yeah, this wild guy. So then
Speaker 2: Lance's housekeeper also helped identify that when she left there
Speaker 2: was a wrench on the kitchen counter before his death,
Speaker 2: and then it had been missing since the attack, so
Speaker 2: it could be the possible weapon. The emmy testified that
Speaker 2: the wrench could have inflicted the fatal blows. Also, there
Speaker 2: was DNA found under his fingernails. There was also two
Speaker 2: headhairs and one pubic hair that was lifted from the
Speaker 2: victim's nude body, and the blood spatter analysts testified that
Speaker 2: the assailant was on the bed, possibly straddling the victim
Speaker 2: at the time the wounds were inflicted, so who so
Speaker 2: in her person? They also found all these documents that
Speaker 2: were waiting for Lance to sign them. One was that
Speaker 2: she got to keep the card that he bought her
Speaker 2: and like also a summary of the criminal trespass charge
Speaker 2: she wanted him to drop a laptop computer was missing
Speaker 2: from his office that was found on her, and she
Speaker 2: was also using his credit card to purchase furniture the
Speaker 2: day he was found dead, like evil bitch. And even
Speaker 2: though a lot of the evidence is circumstantial, they say,
Speaker 2: because of case law, like I don't even know, it
Speaker 2: seems sufficient to me even if it's circumstantial, I guess
Speaker 2: the jury can show, like show that the reasonable reasonableness
Speaker 2: with the evidence that like every other reasonable hypothesis is excluded.
Speaker 2: So like if you can show, like I guess beyond
Speaker 2: a reasonable doubt is the thing. But I guess if
Speaker 2: all reason excludes everyone else, the jury can conn.
Speaker 1: It is just I mean, it's it's hard because it's
Speaker 1: circumstantial in the sense that like, yeah, they were fucking,
Speaker 1: and he did give her a credit card, so like sure,
Speaker 1: like if she's using it the day he's killed, she
Speaker 1: was using it the day before he was in the day,
Speaker 1: you know, like and like even if her DNA is
Speaker 1: on him, they were fucking, So yeah, I don't know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: how you Yeah, you'd have to just like there'd have
Speaker 1: to be footage of like her car on his street
Speaker 1: at that time or you know what I mean, like
Speaker 1: at the exact time of death.
Speaker 4: Like you have to really do your fucking police work.
Speaker 4: And they did.
Speaker 2: I mean, it did take a while, but they kept
Speaker 2: tabs on her, and one time they went to her
Speaker 2: place to ask her questions and she didn't answer, so
Speaker 2: they went to the neighbor's house, and then the neighbor
Speaker 2: reported that the moment the cops drove away, she like
Speaker 2: ran to her house to get the scoop and then
Speaker 2: she claimed she was in the shower, and the neighbor goes, no,
Speaker 2: she was in a business suit with dry hair and
Speaker 2: a full beat of makeup, so absolutely not so no
Speaker 2: bitch sit by the beat. And then when cops finally
Speaker 2: met up with her, she acted like she'd just found
Speaker 2: out that he had died and went hysterical, so like
Speaker 2: not like them all, not like the wife in the episode.
Speaker 2: But ye, this bitch like was hysterical, but no real
Speaker 2: tears were produced, is what is reported. So then February third,
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety eight, she's indicted of malice murder, felony murder,
Speaker 2: aggravated assault, theft by taking a laptop, theft by taking
Speaker 2: jewelry off his body, and card fraud. This went to
Speaker 2: trial from April ninth, two thousand and one, to April seventeenth,
Speaker 2: when the jury came back with guilty on all counts.
Speaker 2: On April twentieth, she was sentenced to life in jail
Speaker 2: on the malice murder conviction, and then concurrently five year
Speaker 2: sentence for theft and concurrent to year sentence for the
Speaker 2: financial card fraud charge as well. She got concurrent, but
Speaker 2: the DA did ask for consecutive because she had no remorse.
Speaker 4: She did not care.
Speaker 2: Her attitude the whole trial was like bored as fuck,
Speaker 2: like no emotion, did not give a fuck nothing nothing
Speaker 2: in life in prison, like nothing given nothing. During the sentencing,
Speaker 2: I did watch the court TV and basically this is
Speaker 2: like a side thing, but I found it interesting and
Speaker 2: that they tried to get a mistrial, and so I
Speaker 2: watched that hearing. So like, basically it was about the
Speaker 2: bar standing of the prosecution during the case. He did
Speaker 2: not pay his two thousand to two thousand and one
Speaker 2: bar dues and so he was in bad standing for
Speaker 2: eight months and that was during the time of the trial,
Speaker 2: so he was not authorized to try the case. And
Speaker 2: the prosecution said that he knew because they sent letters
Speaker 2: and like all this stuff. But it's like I barely
Speaker 2: pay my sag dues like they have to. Like like
Speaker 2: I've been on sets where they're like you have to
Speaker 2: call and pay right now or you cannot step on
Speaker 2: the set, like and the judges reaming him out, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know what I would do. I'd
Speaker 2: be like sometimes I just like the panic of life,
Speaker 2: like I don't know what you want from me. I
Speaker 2: don't like to do my errands, but like this all
Speaker 2: could have fucked everything up. Yeah, and so the letter,
Speaker 2: but the letter, there were letters sent and voicemails, but
Speaker 2: they said that the voicemail was just to the general
Speaker 2: DA and he didn't get it. He also had a
Speaker 2: check bounce in ninety nine and he went in person
Speaker 2: to pay it.
Speaker 4: So he just has like trouble with the bar stuff.
Speaker 2: But he wasn't disbarred and there was no disciplinary action,
Speaker 2: and so the lawyer and then the lawyer really barred.
Speaker 2: But this woman and she goes, see, you're not a lawyer, right,
Speaker 2: all you care about is dues and administrative tasks. Is
Speaker 2: that it like it was incredible, and so he wasn't
Speaker 2: suspended or disbarred.
Speaker 4: You have a year so you could practice law. So
Speaker 4: they fought it, but the mistrial didn't work.
Speaker 2: I mean they tried, but like the judge was fine
Speaker 2: with it, but he was like, what the fuck, I've
Speaker 2: been paying dues for twenty eight years, what's your problem?
Speaker 2: Like I would die on the stand. Clint said, I'm embarrassed.
Speaker 2: I have no excuse. It should have been on it.
Speaker 2: It won't happen again, my bad. So sorry if this
Speaker 2: is too much of an offshoot, but it is just
Speaker 2: like an.
Speaker 1: Administrative I mean I get, but I mean, good lawyers,
Speaker 1: if you're lawyer. Yeah, that's a good lawyer. I'm looking
Speaker 1: for any hole. Yeah, it's a good fucking lawyer.
Speaker 2: But anyways, but they're like, listen, it didn't make anything
Speaker 2: unfair for the trial, you know, so like you're reaching
Speaker 2: and the judge is like, I'm pissed, but I'm moving
Speaker 2: on with it.
Speaker 4: So she did get life. She blanked no emotion.
Speaker 2: On July tenth, two thousand and three, she went to
Speaker 2: court to appeal the conviction and it ended up being
Speaker 2: reversed because of the circumstantial stuff and credibility. But it
Speaker 2: all actually went to an improper bolstering of the state's
Speaker 2: witnesses and so basically there was like contradictory information and
Speaker 2: the testimony from one police officer was found inadmissible. So
Speaker 2: the judge had to reverse it because the cop on
Speaker 2: the stand fucked up, and so then they did a
Speaker 2: second trial, but then the jury was deadlocked, so then
Speaker 2: they did a third trial and she was like, I'll
Speaker 2: just plead out. So she pled guilty to voluntary manslaughter
Speaker 2: in September twenty seventh, two thousand and four, and was
Speaker 2: sentenced to ten years. I don't think that's enough, and
Speaker 2: then she was released in July twenty eleven and then
Speaker 2: ten years probation. I think she's like the luckiest murderer
Speaker 2: of all time. I think she will kill again. She
Speaker 2: has no remorse, and I don't understand why she's not
Speaker 2: serving life. She took jewelry off a dead body of
Speaker 2: a man she bludgeoned.
Speaker 1: I mean it also wasn't like, oh, I'm not at
Speaker 1: you with like an oopsie. It's like, UK, you caved
Speaker 1: his face in. It's psycho.
Speaker 2: Lance is survived by his son, Harrison, who is five
Speaker 2: when he last saw his father alive, and he said
Speaker 2: he loves what.
Speaker 1: Harrison, Yeah, five when he last saw his father alive.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, that's a dexter reference to those who aren't
Speaker 4: hip to it, but yeah, he He's like, it's a
Speaker 4: guidepost for how I live my life, is what I
Speaker 4: hear about my dad. And then I thought I would
Speaker 4: leave us on. Some nice things about Lance and like
Speaker 4: so his friends and family spoke about him for Dateline
Speaker 4: that he nurtured relationships intentionally with a lot of war,
Speaker 4: that he was quirky, personable, loved people, loved to entertain,
Speaker 4: sense the humor, open, optimistic, had the world at his
Speaker 4: fingertips and was encouraging, sharp, warm, authentic, handsome, and it
Speaker 4: was a big gift giver and thought about gifts all
Speaker 4: year long, and had databases for all of his clients
Speaker 4: and notes on preferences and all important dates, and sent
Speaker 4: gifts out all the time. Love language always encouraged.
Speaker 1: Now, listen, I don't think we can be I guess,
Speaker 1: as Matt at Andrew Harlan, just because he liked to
Speaker 1: fuck around a lot, you don't deserve to get murdered.
Speaker 1: You know. At the beginning of this series, I feel
Speaker 1: like there was a lot of like, well, if he
Speaker 1: had kept it in his pants, he'd still be alive,
Speaker 1: kind of a messaging on the show.
Speaker 4: And I think it's like, look at Lance.
Speaker 1: He was an accomplished businessman and like a big deal
Speaker 1: in his community, and he fucked with the wrong woman.
Speaker 1: Damn yeah, Dion, Dion crazy. Okay, all right, well we
Speaker 1: don't have a guest today, so let's just dive right
Speaker 1: into that post mortem.
Speaker 2: Listen, Kara, I'll say you did an incredible job. What happened?
Speaker 2: I have no idea? Still, I don't know. This episode
Speaker 2: will never penetrate my brain. I will never learn it
Speaker 2: and I will never know what's going on. And I
Speaker 2: speak the language I speak.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, if anything, this is like for you, it's
Speaker 1: truly like, I wait.
Speaker 2: I just had a thought that jumped into my head
Speaker 2: that has nothing to do with what we're talking about.
Speaker 2: And I really apologize. But I had a traditional Sunday
Speaker 2: roast in London and I was really happy. Ooh, you
Speaker 2: don't even eat me.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what that is. But that sounds
Speaker 1: like a cultural experience. How exciting?
Speaker 4: Yes, but I digress. Yeah, Russian love post.
Speaker 1: Oh. I thought it was in seeing that this first
Speaker 1: of all, the show is so into fucking Russia in
Speaker 1: the first twelve seasons, like they talk about Russia so much.
Speaker 4: There's so much Russian mob, Russian.
Speaker 1: Like all these problems, like people with Russian or mail
Speaker 1: order brides, like all this stuff. And this is the
Speaker 1: first one and it just feels like season one, twelfth episode,
Speaker 1: straight out the gate, they're like, let's attack Russian culture.
Speaker 4: Let's get to the not attack in a bad way.
Speaker 1: I mean like let's like really roote, get down, drill
Speaker 1: down on what motivates Russian people.
Speaker 4: When they come to the US.
Speaker 1: And it's like blonde women just fucking their way to
Speaker 1: the top so they can have some kind of power,
Speaker 1: and they look the same.
Speaker 4: But then this.
Speaker 1: Random guy comes out of nowhere and is like, I
Speaker 1: did it. Just kidding, but yes I did. Like this
Speaker 1: episode's so insane. The real crimes, the real crime was
Speaker 1: very sad, and it was for enough.
Speaker 4: It's yeah, really upsetting, yeah, really upsetting.
Speaker 2: And she's just a cold psychopath at the end of
Speaker 2: the day, and it was for And you can't claim
Speaker 2: that you were crazier all these different things when you
Speaker 2: took all the alarm clocks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all these like people that are like it
Speaker 1: was the heat of passion. It's like you planned out
Speaker 1: so many steps, so many things were done in advance,
Speaker 1: took to clean up, like yeah.
Speaker 4: But not gonna work for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but anyway, I'm sure we have other Russian listeners
Speaker 1: that will write in and let us know how wild
Speaker 1: this all seemed, because it was just I don't know,
Speaker 1: but what else I mean, Yeah, just a classic wild
Speaker 1: early season episode where so much of it didn't make sense,
Speaker 1: but it had so many of these great like tropes,
Speaker 1: like the porn star who won't stop moving boxes and
Speaker 1: is like, do you guys have an agent. I mean
Speaker 1: there's like great Bulldozer. I mean, come on, we had
Speaker 1: some great there's some great elements in this. I just
Speaker 1: don't know if the full cake gets baked. I mean
Speaker 1: this also has the classic there's a banana in the asshole.
Speaker 1: I mean, oh my god, I have a banana up
Speaker 1: is rectum. I mean this this episode gave us a lot,
Speaker 1: like it gave.
Speaker 4: Us allergy banana.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, the porn star mover, the horny artists, the
Speaker 1: guy who's got a banana up his ass, Like, there
Speaker 1: are a lot of great s, few elements, but I
Speaker 1: don't know that the plane gets landed in terms of
Speaker 1: the plot making any sense.
Speaker 4: But you know, I.
Speaker 2: Also just wish men stops getting married if they just
Speaker 2: wanted to be whorees.
Speaker 4: Like I don't get. I just don't get not following
Speaker 4: your true passion because it's like you want you want
Speaker 4: someone at home obviously too, so you can.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they didn't create their kids, and they didn't really
Speaker 1: get into the pathology of this guy basically having a
Speaker 1: sex addiction. Like they didn't they touch on it. They're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he'll fuck anything that moves, but like they're not like yeah,
Speaker 1: it was ruining his Like, I don't think that's like
Speaker 1: a fun way to live for most people that have
Speaker 1: sex addiction, you know, Like, so they're right. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: it was just confusing how he was a millionaire but
Speaker 1: was taking gifts back and also not giving gifts to
Speaker 1: the porn guy, like is he not good enough?
Speaker 4: But the Russian women are good? Like it's very confusing, but.
Speaker 1: I am glad we did it. I love a season one.
Speaker 1: I love going back Baby Benson. She's so young. By
Speaker 1: the way, we're getting a lot of calls for Benson Bunnies.
Speaker 1: They like Benson's badge. Bunnies is like too anti our
Speaker 1: pathos as acab people are like, what about Benson Bunnies
Speaker 1: the name of our listeners.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like the sentiment, but it's just not because
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about Benson Boone.
Speaker 4: Also, fuck the police.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw, but a manager from
Speaker 2: the laugh Factory Chicago was taken by ice. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: and the cops just stood watching as they like kicked
Speaker 2: his mom and took him away because he was trying
Speaker 2: to protect his employees. We live in halfa and just
Speaker 2: so you know, yeah, white guy born in the South,
Speaker 2: Like it doesn't matter, like not that it was.
Speaker 4: Right American guys, he's an American citizen.
Speaker 2: Oh, like white as fuck, born in Lake Texas or Virginia,
Speaker 2: ark and like a way.
Speaker 1: Like undocumented or something like that would justify.
Speaker 4: There's no justification. But like why would they just take him?
Speaker 4: What did he do do something?
Speaker 2: I think he was trying to protect the people that
Speaker 2: they were trying to get.
Speaker 4: They threw him down. I mean, if you watch the video,
Speaker 4: they they're throwing him.
Speaker 1: Read somebody talk. I heard somebody talk about it, but
Speaker 1: I didn't see any video.
Speaker 4: And I don't think he's been found yet. And his
Speaker 4: mom just there, yeah, and the cops just watching the
Speaker 4: thirteen year old kid that was taking in Massachusetts and
Speaker 4: ended up in Virginia calling his mom terrified, going, I
Speaker 4: don't even know where I am. Like it's we it's
Speaker 4: a fucking nightmare.
Speaker 1: And they're doing by the way, like if you listen
Speaker 1: to us and there's fucking ice recruitment ads on Spotify,
Speaker 1: we're not part of that.
Speaker 4: We don't want that shit.
Speaker 1: But I don't know how we can stop it because
Speaker 1: there they paid their money to Spotify.
Speaker 4: Listen to us on Apple. I don't know if they're
Speaker 4: a better company, but I mean we can't.
Speaker 2: Well no, because Caleb Heron complained and they're like, oh,
Speaker 2: we'll stop running them for your show, and it's like no, no, no,
Speaker 2: that's actually not the right. Yeah, yeah, the answer is
Speaker 2: we will not run them. But hey, I mean Amazon
Speaker 2: just fired thirty thousand people. I mean it's all happening.
Speaker 2: It's all like it was happening. It's gonna continue happening,
Speaker 2: and it's gonna affect everyone.
Speaker 4: Whether we just have such great listeners, but it's.
Speaker 2: The people of like, yeah, the ones that do have job,
Speaker 2: You're also going to be affected because I didn't realize this,
Speaker 2: but grocery stores make money off snap. Yes, that's how
Speaker 2: they make money too, so they're about to lose tons
Speaker 2: of money, which and then very crazy will go up
Speaker 2: for us. Also, it's all like connected. But they don't
Speaker 2: see humanity in the poor or brown or get I
Speaker 2: don't know, they don't see them as humans. It's like
Speaker 2: that fucking black mirror with isn't it Daniel Caluia with
Speaker 2: the thing on his head and he sees everyone as
Speaker 2: a bug. Yeah yeah, yeah, you know my co star Daniel.
Speaker 2: I think it's also but it's like, but it's like
Speaker 2: they are they are expert scapegoats, like they they put
Speaker 2: they're convincing their people that poor people and trans people
Speaker 2: are the ones that are causing their problems, and it's
Speaker 2: like they're not.
Speaker 4: They're not.
Speaker 1: No one like that's not that's not your problem. Has
Speaker 1: he done one thing he told you he was going
Speaker 1: to do to make your life better? No, nothing's cheaper,
Speaker 1: everybody's fucked, everyone's losing their health care, like, nothing is
Speaker 1: better whatever. We can't rail about this man every fucking
Speaker 1: time we get on our podcast, but it is.
Speaker 2: It is, And I like you guys, they think they're
Speaker 2: trying to do something where it's like and you think
Speaker 2: illegal should have health insurance.
Speaker 4: I go, yeah, I think I should all be able
Speaker 4: to do whatever, but they don't.
Speaker 1: Also I know, yeah, but like I believe they should,
Speaker 1: you know, like that, Yeah, that's my thing. It's like
Speaker 1: they're trying to get you, and it's like, no, I
Speaker 1: think everyone should eat, whether they have a job or not.
Speaker 2: I think everyone should have health. Like you're never ever
Speaker 2: gonna change my mind on that. Yeah, I was on
Speaker 2: food stamps. I was on welfare. I was not a citizen.
Speaker 2: I had free and reduced lunch. Like I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't know what to tell.
Speaker 1: But it ultimately it stabilizes people so that they then
Speaker 1: get out of poverty. And because like do if you
Speaker 1: go on any social media site, people are saying I
Speaker 1: was on snap, I was on benefits and it enabled
Speaker 1: me to help my child. And now we are not
Speaker 1: on those benefits anymore, and we are, you know fully
Speaker 1: contributing to the economy in the way that all you
Speaker 1: fucking psychopaths think everybody should. I just I get so mad.
Speaker 2: I get see whatever I'm buying weapons, You're gonna buy gun,
Speaker 2: not a gun, and I don't need that in my life.
Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna do tasers, bear mas, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: get knives, and I'm gonna start I keep saying I'm
Speaker 2: gonna do pushups, but I haven't.
Speaker 4: But that's on the agenda.
Speaker 1: Wait, that's one of the weapons is your own body? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you meet these two fucking weapons right here.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm inspired by the people, the New Yorkers that
Speaker 2: went out and fucking stood it front of a tank.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I ask it like the ore business
Speaker 2: girl in the polka dot dress.
Speaker 4: But we have to be ready to protect each other.
Speaker 4: I guest, you know, I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 4: what I care to have.
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, let's move on to our what would Sister
Speaker 1: Peg do?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: This is our weekly segment where we direct you to
Speaker 1: sometimes an organization, sometimes I a book, a movie, something
Speaker 1: to give you more information about what we talked about today. Uh,
Speaker 1: we already shouted out googling for Snap benefits. Please do
Speaker 1: that if you fast forward our intros. We are telling
Speaker 1: you again, please google where you can help people that
Speaker 1: are losing their Snap benefits in your state. Just google
Speaker 1: your state and it will come up a thousand different
Speaker 1: places that you can either donate to or give goods to.
Speaker 1: But for this week's what would mister Peg do, we
Speaker 1: are going to shout out the Oxygen true crime show
Speaker 1: The Real Murders of Atlanta that covers the Lance Herndon murder.
Speaker 1: If you want to get more info, put faces to
Speaker 1: the crime and all that. It gets into all the
Speaker 1: nitty gritty of the crime. So if you want to
Speaker 1: know more about what drove Dion Ba to bludgeon this
Speaker 1: man to death, check it out on peacock and we will.
Speaker 4: Post that.
Speaker 1: On our That'll be in our show notes as well
Speaker 1: as in a story that gets saved to our WWSPD
Speaker 1: highlight every week on our Instagram page, which is that
Speaker 1: s Messed Up Pod.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: And next week we'll be doing genes from season eighteen,
Speaker 2: episode thirteen. And this weekend I will be in San
Speaker 2: Francisco late to come see me.
Speaker 4: Thank you, get on up there to Sam Bran, all right,
Speaker 4: thank you guys, We love you. See you next week. Bye.
Speaker 2: That's Messed Up as an exactly right production.
Speaker 1: If you have compliments you'd like to give us or
Speaker 1: episodes you'd like us to cover, shoot us an email
Speaker 1: it That's Messed uppod at gmail dot com. Listen to
Speaker 1: That's Messed Up on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or
Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 2: Follow the podcast on Instagram at That's Messed Up Pod,
Speaker 2: and follow us personally at Kara Klank and at glitter Cheese.
Speaker 1: As always, please see our show notes for sources and
Speaker 1: more information.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much to our senior producer Casey O'Brien
Speaker 2: and our associate producer Christina Chamberlain, and to.
Speaker 1: Our mixer John Bradley and our guest booker, Patrick Coottner.
Speaker 1: And to Henry Kaperski for our theme song and Carly
Speaker 1: Gen Andrews for our artwork. Thank you to our executive
Speaker 1: producers Georgia hard Start, Karen Kilgraf, Daniel Kramer and everybody
Speaker 1: at Exactly Right Media.
Speaker 3: Dun dun
Speaker 4: H