Speaker 1: What's Up?
Speaker 2: And welcome back to another episode of No Senner's podcast
Speaker 2: with your hosts now fuck That with your loaw glasses, Malone,
Speaker 2: I ain't no big political guy, bro, you know, I
Speaker 2: ain't really you know what I guess. In the streets,
Speaker 2: I'm more aware of policies. I'm more of my world
Speaker 2: of politics, you know what I mean, where the street
Speaker 2: policies are dominant. But as far as American policies, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, I'm really I get it. I
Speaker 2: get it makes sense to me to some degree. Like
Speaker 2: it's really hard for me because even like something like abortion,
Speaker 2: you know, I get kind of both sides of it.
Speaker 2: I'm probably like more to the ladder of like you
Speaker 2: probably shouldn't get abortions, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But then I do understand those.
Speaker 2: Particular instances where somebody got raped and maybe somebody may
Speaker 2: die if they deliver a child, you.
Speaker 1: Know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And you know I don't necessarily agree with the woman's
Speaker 2: body because I just think that's such a disingenuous you know, debate.
Speaker 2: Like just when I think about policies, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, My my problem is to me, they seem
Speaker 2: too simple, like which.
Speaker 1: Ones well just just how they should be.
Speaker 2: America should be a country that depends on itself. Sure,
Speaker 2: now I don't know how that lines up right. So
Speaker 2: I don't like the fact we outsource so many things,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? And even compared to like
Speaker 2: my hip hop career, Like I feel like one thing
Speaker 2: my hip hop career did take punishment in it was
Speaker 2: too many things outsourced. When I first came into this business,
Speaker 2: like I believed in bringing everything in house. You know,
Speaker 2: my older brother some of my team, they didn't really
Speaker 2: understand that. They were so used to just you know
Speaker 2: how they saw you know, rap and hip hop going
Speaker 2: because they were more vested in it than I was.
Speaker 2: But I remember walking in thinking to myself, like, Yo,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to sell tickets to perform for somebody else.
Speaker 2: I'm going to book the venue myself. I'm going to
Speaker 2: press up my CDs and push them throughout the West
Speaker 2: Coast myself. Like even how I wanted my own record
Speaker 2: deal when Freeway Rick and Army Mani from John Street
Speaker 2: both who homes shout out to them brothers, But they
Speaker 2: was gonna give me seven hundred to seven hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars in two thousand and five to launch
Speaker 2: Blue Division then, and that was my goal. I really
Speaker 2: listened to Pool, my older brother. He wanted to do
Speaker 2: the deal with Sony, like they wanted to do a
Speaker 2: record deal with cash money in different people, so you know,
Speaker 2: they were more vested in hip hop. So I listened
Speaker 2: to them. But where we at now, Like it's hard
Speaker 2: for me to listen to other people who aren't as vested,
Speaker 2: but I still do listen even if I don't take
Speaker 2: the advice. I listen, but I also know the path
Speaker 2: I want to walk, and I'm still you know, tweaking
Speaker 2: things because really this path doesn't exist today. Like the
Speaker 2: last time this path existed was probably like in the
Speaker 2: sixties and seventies, before you know, corporations got involved into
Speaker 2: black music, you know what I mean, when you had
Speaker 2: to do it yourself. And that's my mentality, Pete, Like
Speaker 2: I really believe, like yo to make this happen for
Speaker 2: Glasses and alone as an artist. Glasses is a is
Speaker 2: a is a person of people. Like I've always done
Speaker 2: well when it's me and people, but whenever you know,
Speaker 2: you get behind the curtain, like no artist is going
Speaker 2: to be able to be There's not an artist today
Speaker 2: that's going to do better in a room full of
Speaker 2: strangers than me, you know what I mean, There's not
Speaker 2: an artist today. And I could really say that, like,
Speaker 2: there's not an artist today that will do better in
Speaker 2: a room full.
Speaker 1: Of strangers than I would.
Speaker 2: True, it don't matter which room it could be, the palos,
Speaker 2: white folks that don't even like Negroes, to the streetest,
Speaker 2: most violent negroes in the history of the world, the
Speaker 2: whole spectrum, you know whatever, all colors in between. That's
Speaker 2: always worked for me, and I know that that's been
Speaker 2: my gift, that that worked for me. Well, I look
Speaker 2: at the same with policies, whereas like I really believe
Speaker 2: in America, bro that has that, that's forced to fin
Speaker 2: for itself, that has to create its own products, that
Speaker 2: has to create its own cars, that has.
Speaker 1: To create everything.
Speaker 2: Because to me, it makes sense to create jobs, right,
Speaker 2: That's how you create jobs. Economy that pours into itself
Speaker 2: and rewards itself. So to me, that's what makes it simple.
Speaker 2: That's the whole concept of policy. Everything else is just bullshit,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Every other part of it
Speaker 2: to me, is just bullshit. Like that's the simple part
Speaker 2: of it. This country should be pouring into itself, I mean,
Speaker 2: and rewarding itself a porn. It should be this cycle
Speaker 2: of things happening for Americans.
Speaker 3: I agree with that.
Speaker 4: I think that like the way I would illustrate, like
Speaker 4: my opinion on how policy and the job market and
Speaker 4: US economy works is like a like the Hoover dam.
Speaker 3: Our economy needs to grow in advance.
Speaker 4: You know, it's going to grow in advance faster than
Speaker 4: the rest of the world.
Speaker 3: So you don't want to like.
Speaker 4: Have a big block of people stuck with these like
Speaker 4: low paying pedestrian jobs that like really don't fit here.
Speaker 4: So you kind of kind of but you have to
Speaker 4: you have to manage the flow. You can't just open
Speaker 4: and let all the water flood out like we did.
Speaker 4: You have to hold a reservoir of domestic jobs while
Speaker 4: you strategically, you know, let the water out of the
Speaker 4: bottom at the same rate that it's coming in to
Speaker 4: keep that water lying stable. And we don't do a
Speaker 4: good job of that because people want to you know,
Speaker 4: dump water or buy water downstream.
Speaker 3: Or however the hell you want to look at it.
Speaker 1: Outside of crude oil. Do we need to depend on
Speaker 1: another country for something else?
Speaker 3: We don't need to depend on what crude oil.
Speaker 4: We were net oil exporters during the Trump era we
Speaker 4: got We have so much freaking oil.
Speaker 3: It's absurd.
Speaker 4: We have so much fossil fuel and energy sources in
Speaker 4: this country on our own land rights. It is utterly absurd.
Speaker 4: That's just purely EPA policy because for whatever reason, Democrats
Speaker 4: feel better about themselves when they buy oil from other
Speaker 4: countries than when they buy it from here.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 2: So what I would like to believe now, this is
Speaker 2: my intellect kicking in now. Obviously it's limited information, so
Speaker 2: I can't even trust it as just intellect. But I
Speaker 2: genuinely believe when you start to pump too much oil,
Speaker 2: like oil and water is the is the Earth's life blood, right,
Speaker 2: and it does repln It's just like blood replenishes in
Speaker 2: our body. We could get shot and love some blood
Speaker 2: and eventually our bodies will repent it, you know, will
Speaker 2: replenished blood. And I do think you can only pull
Speaker 2: so much, you know, so often, you know, before the
Speaker 2: earth needs to replenish blood.
Speaker 1: You know. Does that make sense?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So is there anything we need to depend on for
Speaker 2: another country? Like, is there something we do not that
Speaker 2: that cannot be made in this country that we need
Speaker 2: to depend on another country for?
Speaker 4: There might be some rare earth mineral things. Everything really
Speaker 4: just comes down to cost. Truth be told, we could
Speaker 4: do everything here, but a lot of people don't want
Speaker 4: to pay eighteen hundred dollars for a television.
Speaker 3: That's really what it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but what if you can afford an eighteen hundred
Speaker 2: dollars television? Do you get what I'm saying?
Speaker 3: I get what you're saying.
Speaker 4: This issue is like there's a disassociation with verticals and
Speaker 4: costs and all that kind of stuff, you know, So
Speaker 4: at some point I think it comes down to, like,
Speaker 4: all right, you're going to pay all these people who
Speaker 4: make televisions blank dollars here, and they'll have the money
Speaker 4: to buy televisions.
Speaker 3: But like, the consumption rate.
Speaker 4: Doesn't always outrun the production rate, so the demand doesn't
Speaker 4: always stay on track with the supply. So when that
Speaker 4: starts to happen, the company will go to business because
Speaker 4: they're paying an awful lot of money to make each television.
Speaker 4: And then it's the demand, you know, doesn't keep up,
Speaker 4: because I don't think that Honestly, if TVs were made
Speaker 4: in the US and they cost eighteen hundred dollars, people
Speaker 4: wouldn't be buying TVs. Like people throw out TVs when
Speaker 4: they move apartments, Like you have many random like just
Speaker 4: decent enough TVs, you see. If we will throw something
Speaker 4: into the television, like if it's a three hundred dollars whatever,
Speaker 4: like it's not that big a deal, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 1: I think, but I think that's the problem.
Speaker 3: It is a big part of the problem, you know.
Speaker 2: What I mean. Like, sure, so many things that we
Speaker 2: have that are like unnecessary, but they're so cheap, and
Speaker 2: they become these huge distractions, right because I'm at one
Speaker 2: time America I'm sure.
Speaker 1: Was making its own TVs.
Speaker 2: Only so many people had TVs, right, But it also
Speaker 2: created more or of a you didn't have so many
Speaker 2: things to distract you like this this, Like was it
Speaker 2: worth starting to do business with other countries to put
Speaker 2: a TV in every household as a distraction, Like.
Speaker 3: It's not even that it's a TV in every room
Speaker 3: in every household?
Speaker 1: Now was that really worth it?
Speaker 2: Because it really just creates a level of the distraction
Speaker 2: it's not even a necessary tool, like I could see
Speaker 2: if it was something that was necessary to advance humanity
Speaker 2: versus something to distract humanity.
Speaker 1: Right in my tribute, No, you're a.
Speaker 4: Thousand percent right, there's a and it manifests itself in
Speaker 4: so many ways. There's a huge like what Kanye West
Speaker 4: said it right in the first album, young female attention
Speaker 4: to retail or something like that.
Speaker 3: But it's bigger than them.
Speaker 4: It's it's it's throughout society where there's a massive, you know,
Speaker 4: cultural obsession with just retail therapy culture. And credit card
Speaker 4: debt is super high. Credit card that's not high like
Speaker 4: that because people are because food went up.
Speaker 3: That sucks.
Speaker 4: It's expensive gasing up. That's I get that. The marginal
Speaker 4: difference is a lot of stupid, worthless ass ship that
Speaker 4: people buy all the time. And you can see, I
Speaker 4: mean you just look around like there's so much, so
Speaker 4: many companies that make dumb fucking widgets that are eighty
Speaker 4: billion dollar companies.
Speaker 3: For what it was, by the shit, why.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Those sendings gl my man Pete working through some things,
Speaker 2: working through some things, let us work.
Speaker 4: And on the inverse of that, we're a historical low
Speaker 4: point in savings and also like democratized investment, people don't
Speaker 4: have a lot of money they're investing on their own.
Speaker 4: Everybody's investments now is like their house and their four
Speaker 4: O one K. That's everybody, and that's a small amount
Speaker 4: of money. So there's these huge gaps that then have
Speaker 4: to have programs by the government pay for every thing,
Speaker 4: which are these ballooned up government agencies and debt which
Speaker 4: contribute to the inflation. It does root in the fact
Speaker 4: that we do not personally as individuals, manage our books
Speaker 4: very well, so we outsource it to companies and government,
Speaker 4: and that's not a good model.
Speaker 3: We're seeing the fruit of that right now.
Speaker 2: So why is it so obvious for me to see
Speaker 2: and not so obvious for other people to see?
Speaker 1: Like how did okay?
Speaker 2: Now, I'm not a policy person again, I'm not in
Speaker 2: the politics enough to really jump off a cliff. I know,
Speaker 2: really bare minimums of all this stuff. But it does
Speaker 2: come across very democratic, I mean, to that concept, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Why is it so easy for
Speaker 2: me to see.
Speaker 3: Because you don't, I don't think, have a habit.
Speaker 4: Of self deception or believing, Like if you had a
Speaker 4: menu of things in front of you. You can believe
Speaker 4: bucket A, B, C or D. You're not gonna always
Speaker 4: choose the one you wish were true. You're gonna look
Speaker 4: more trying to figure out which one actually is. Most people,
Speaker 4: at least enough people are like, well, I mean, I
Speaker 4: don't know which one it is, but rather than figuring
Speaker 4: it out, I I'd be happy if it was B.
Speaker 3: So I'm going with B.
Speaker 1: And that's just.
Speaker 3: That's just dumb. Every Man thought.
Speaker 2: So many things about this that makes perfect sense to me,
Speaker 2: yet people are arguing about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just.
Speaker 2: Like, if you barely pay people, right, if you barely
Speaker 2: pay people, if you create a system where everybody doesn't
Speaker 2: have money and then you create a Walmart to service
Speaker 2: people who don't have money.
Speaker 1: It just seems so counterproductive to me. Like that.
Speaker 2: That's one of those things that make me think, like
Speaker 2: this world is, like, this country is ridiculous, It's silly.
Speaker 1: Why the fuck?
Speaker 2: Okay, in my mind, America is a business of businesses, right,
Speaker 2: It's in the business of empowering business basic America.
Speaker 1: Not that he.
Speaker 3: Said that the business of America is business.
Speaker 2: Yeah I never heard, right, Okay, so dope, right, So
Speaker 2: it makes sense to me. Right, this is kind of
Speaker 2: this sober conscious mind that I'm always looking at taking
Speaker 2: in information.
Speaker 1: I never heard that, but that's dope.
Speaker 4: Right, because it was written on the wall over the
Speaker 4: head of my APUs history teacher in like the eleventh grade,
Speaker 4: and I was staring at it every day.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: So America empowers businesses because businesses are supposed to take
Speaker 2: care of American citizens. Yeah, right, Because if businesses are
Speaker 2: flourishing and they hire American citizens, than American citizens are flourishing, right,
Speaker 2: and then that creates a better economy, right, which is
Speaker 2: kind of like the thought of the industrial revolution. Right,
Speaker 2: I would imagine that's the thought of that. Right, that's
Speaker 2: the model of that. But if you outsource things to people,
Speaker 2: then you empower other economies and you also kill this one. Now,
Speaker 2: to some degree, I get, you can get a surplus
Speaker 2: of spending, right because things that were not affordable initially
Speaker 2: because you went to someone else paying in what would
Speaker 2: be considered a slave wage in this country, right to
Speaker 2: make something, and then you could buy something that is
Speaker 2: really cheap. But guess what that also means you lost
Speaker 2: multiple jobs of making something. So if we're just using
Speaker 2: the TV as a model, like when America was making
Speaker 2: those floor models in the fifties and sixties and TV
Speaker 2: was a big thing, and it was a really expensive thing,
Speaker 2: and you know, so forth and so on. Right, you
Speaker 2: had American companies, you know, ge and different companies making it. Right,
Speaker 2: So it was expensive and it was a luxury, and
Speaker 2: it should have been a luxury.
Speaker 1: It should have stayed a luxury.
Speaker 2: It valued any it valued nobody, or the value is
Speaker 2: minimum effect, minimum effect because by putting TVs and people
Speaker 2: houses and taking the jobs away from people making TVs, right,
Speaker 2: what you did was give somebody a distraction to not
Speaker 2: work on their shortcomings of not being able to afford
Speaker 2: a fucking TV.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the fact. In a nutshell, the US, like
Speaker 4: the culture at large, is completely consumed by distractionary obsessions
Speaker 4: in the form of like chemical consumption and just purchase consumption,
Speaker 4: or i mean entertainment consumption.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, entertainment, not purchasing entertainment consumption.
Speaker 4: And yeah, there's no growth there, there's no learning there, Yeah,
Speaker 4: there's nothing.
Speaker 2: So who was the fucking dickhead that stimulated this, because
Speaker 2: I'm sure it always goes back to about four dickheads
Speaker 2: that came up with this bad idea.
Speaker 4: It's a few A lot of things were happening at
Speaker 4: once at the in the nineteen sixties into the nineteen seventies,
Speaker 4: so how they converged and a lot of it's like
Speaker 4: you get people in government who have an idea, let's
Speaker 4: do this, and then markets adapt. Well, they don't understand markets,
Speaker 4: so they don't really anticipate how markets are going to adapt.
Speaker 4: And you see that only every single solitary time. But
Speaker 4: you had this massive like then the Johnson administration in
Speaker 4: the sixties, you had like Democrat politicians that started really
Speaker 4: growing the government's capacity to subsidize people.
Speaker 3: And then you had like the George HW.
Speaker 4: Bush part of the Republican Party, which kind of infiltrated
Speaker 4: the Nixon administration and opened up doors to China and
Speaker 4: convinced Nixon to go start doing business with China because
Speaker 4: it was going to be a great boom for the
Speaker 4: US economy to open up trade with China. And and
Speaker 4: and those have always been the big you know, like
Speaker 4: the rhino that the anti Reagan, anti Trump, anti Nixon,
Speaker 4: all the people that like Republican, like grassroots, like the
Speaker 4: mag of all those people that like don't like the
Speaker 4: gerald for George Bush, Mitch McConnell Republicans, they're the globalist Republicans,
Speaker 4: and that's like that.
Speaker 2: So it is true that those parties kind of have
Speaker 2: split into two separate style of parties as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's been like that's the seventies.
Speaker 2: So I'm sorry taking my notes. Yeah, so I can
Speaker 2: look at him later. So then it was Lyndon B. Johnson.
Speaker 2: That's that's what we talking about writing the sixty seventies.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was in the sixties.
Speaker 4: He had like like the Great Society and a lot
Speaker 4: of the welfare programs and stuff like that. So it
Speaker 4: became less Not only did it become less critical for
Speaker 4: business to support everybody rich to poor, because now the
Speaker 4: government just took over like the bottom quarter.
Speaker 1: So my question is why why would they?
Speaker 2: Okay, welfare became a big necessary need when America lost industry?
Speaker 1: Is that fair to say?
Speaker 4: Because I think it predicated America losing industry, or it
Speaker 4: preempted it, it enabled it.
Speaker 2: So you think welfare, So you think welfare happened first,
Speaker 2: But I'm saying it wouldn't make no sense.
Speaker 4: You want to, like my real dirty secret on the shit, Sure,
Speaker 4: no one really says this. People talk about the big
Speaker 4: party switch that happened between like Republicans and Democrats or
Speaker 4: whatever back in the day with regard to race stuff,
Speaker 4: but no one really switched parties. And the Republican Party
Speaker 4: is usually like a conservative party. They kind of stay
Speaker 4: where they're at and the Democrat Party kind of moves
Speaker 4: And then they say, oh, the Republicans moved because we're
Speaker 4: so much further away.
Speaker 3: So what happened?
Speaker 4: You had, like the Civil Rights Act, black people got
Speaker 4: the right to vote and all this stuff happened. So
Speaker 4: they were like, well, we've been manipulating the situation.
Speaker 3: To keep black people from voting for a very long time.
Speaker 3: Now they could vote. Let's pull you know, circumvent or here.
Speaker 4: We're just gonna buy them instead of alienating them from
Speaker 4: the economy, We're gonna subsidize them out of the economy
Speaker 4: to keep them out of the economy and earn their vote.
Speaker 4: Because the Democrat Party is big in the South, like
Speaker 4: Democrat Boulevard is like the main boulevard in Memphis, like
Speaker 4: the old Southern Democrats, Clan Democrats, all those people they
Speaker 4: went from switch. Yeah, they didn't really switch. The Democrat
Speaker 4: Party just juxtaposed the way that they alienated black people.
Speaker 4: They went from alienating black people like forcibly directly to
Speaker 4: them not being allowed to anymore by constitutional amendment. So
Speaker 4: they said, well, we'll just alienate them by paying a
Speaker 4: pittionship money not to participate, you know or.
Speaker 1: Do you think so?
Speaker 2: You feel like the goal of the government was to
Speaker 2: get black people, like poor people, black people out of
Speaker 2: policies by saying we'll give you a couple hundred dollars
Speaker 2: a month. You don't really have to go out and
Speaker 2: fuck work, but you don't have to care about the workforce,
Speaker 2: which which really low key. Economics and commerce drive policy.
Speaker 2: That's the one thing that I'm certain of. It's the
Speaker 2: driving force. I don't care if we're talking about even abortions.
Speaker 2: It's driven by economics. Everything about policy is driven by economics.
Speaker 2: It doesn't feel like it, but a big complaint is
Speaker 2: the economics of it all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And the.
Speaker 4: Problem is you can really see it is that there's
Speaker 4: two like takes on economics. There's like the zero sum
Speaker 4: gain a version of economics, and then there's the growth
Speaker 4: begets growth version of economics. So like the South, for
Speaker 4: a long time, as I've said on the show before,
Speaker 4: was a barrier of entry economy, and it was anemic
Speaker 4: in growth, but the wealth was extremely invulnerable to risk
Speaker 4: of competition down there, you know. And the fact that
Speaker 4: they didn't slavery killed the economy in the South, but
Speaker 4: for that little ribbon of ultra wealthy.
Speaker 3: People there, you know. And you kind of see the
Speaker 3: same thing happening in California.
Speaker 4: California's on a downward trend because California has now become
Speaker 4: a barrier of entry economic model, whereas other more robust areas,
Speaker 4: it's easier to get a permit, it's easier to inch
Speaker 4: your way into getting market share in a competitive environment,
Speaker 4: which just the more dynamic of vertical is the more
Speaker 4: growth you're going to get.
Speaker 2: So picking this up, you're saying California is becoming a
Speaker 2: place just for people with money.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I don't think that's particularly hard to notice. And I
Speaker 4: think it's two sides of the same coin. I think,
Speaker 4: on the one hand, old Southern Democrats realize that South
Speaker 4: is largely black. They're going to hate our guts, and
Speaker 4: they should at that time have hated their guts. We
Speaker 4: can't let that whole vote just go Republican. So we
Speaker 4: got to figure out a way to incentivize them to
Speaker 4: vote for us. And while we're doing that, a fringe
Speaker 4: benefit is they're not gonna topple any of our economic
Speaker 4: allies because we're subsidizing them not to participate in the economy.
Speaker 4: And when you start off marginalized, we're not participating. It's
Speaker 4: very enticing to go for the money now because you
Speaker 4: need the money now, if that makes.
Speaker 2: Any sure, But just to wrap it all up into
Speaker 2: digestible package, you feel welfare was created to keep black
Speaker 2: people out of policy for the most part, because it, well,
Speaker 2: at least the poorest version, it.
Speaker 3: Was by votes slash.
Speaker 4: Otherwise there wouldn't be stipulations that were so tied to
Speaker 4: unemployment or poor achievement. It would be graduated, but it's not.
Speaker 4: It's a hard line. If you're doing anything, we're.
Speaker 3: Cutting you off. So that kind of says enough.
Speaker 4: But I think it was designed to buy votes and
Speaker 4: to do that as simultaneously because both things happened.
Speaker 2: It's always too it's always two things. Yeah, it's always
Speaker 2: two there's always two things. Damn, that's that's a crazy thought.
Speaker 2: So do you so this is I don't even want
Speaker 2: to ask this question because I have to believe that
Speaker 2: these two things are connected. Like right in some of
Speaker 2: the most densely populated black communities like Detroit, where they
Speaker 2: had all of these factories, right this is America's car
Speaker 2: industry and for blossom there, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And so you do you think that they knew that
Speaker 2: they were the god so you don't feel Linden was
Speaker 2: already pre thinking about selling out American industries to other
Speaker 2: countries with welfare in mind, because obviously within that decade
Speaker 2: to the next decade is when most of these black
Speaker 2: communities lost industries. You know what I mean, all these
Speaker 2: places that were empowering because again it is in power
Speaker 2: and still poor white people so but definitely poor black
Speaker 2: people benefited.
Speaker 4: From when people have been dead panned too since then,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like those people are the
Speaker 4: same and they're pretty fucking good for nothing as it is,
Speaker 4: but like they's the same, like jd Vance is like
Speaker 4: the guy who made it out, you know what I
Speaker 4: mean of that world.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure. I'm not I don't know that that
Speaker 3: much about LBJ.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying that you party shift, but it has
Speaker 2: to be connected, right, because you just don't go give
Speaker 2: citizens money if they're making money and unpopular of an opinion.
Speaker 2: This may be to some white people and to a
Speaker 2: lot of black people. I notice most people don't want
Speaker 2: to just get free money.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like.
Speaker 2: You're just going to really make a living. You don't
Speaker 2: want to work in McDonald's, but you like, if you
Speaker 2: could work at Chevrolet and make a livable wage, most
Speaker 2: black people would punch that ticket every day of the week.
Speaker 2: You feel, mesh so, but it's no way LBJ and them.
Speaker 2: And that's early sixties, right, because LBJ was Martin Luther King.
Speaker 2: I remember Martin Luther King and LBJ.
Speaker 4: It was like mid sixties. I think, like, what was
Speaker 4: it sixty three when JFK got killed? Sixty eight was
Speaker 4: when maybe it was sixty four to sixty eight something
Speaker 4: like that, because sixty eight was Nixon and then those
Speaker 4: people came in.
Speaker 3: And they and they had that.
Speaker 2: So my point is somebody had to be planning to
Speaker 2: sell the American television company out, had American car companies out.
Speaker 2: They had to because it's no reason you just start
Speaker 2: giving people welfare like you could preemptively you know, think
Speaker 2: this out and then start to take away like you
Speaker 2: give people, you don't just take it away from me,
Speaker 2: for you have to have something there first, so they
Speaker 2: don't realize the blunt you know, the force, the force
Speaker 2: that somebody whacked your ass inside the head with.
Speaker 1: Does that make it so.
Speaker 2: If Lendon is really responsible for making American people start
Speaker 2: depending on governments, on the government, which kind of really
Speaker 2: goes against America's value in the first place, which is
Speaker 2: why they separated all these states, all these this is
Speaker 2: meant to not do that.
Speaker 4: I mean, if we were on a really one of
Speaker 4: the big criticisms that you see, and again a lot
Speaker 4: of this kind of conversation is stemming more on right
Speaker 4: of center media discussion and terminology and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: You don't hear so much of this on the CNNs
Speaker 3: and MSNBC's or whatever.
Speaker 4: But like there's the term Unit Party, which is the
Speaker 4: big corporatist Democrat apparatus, Like what they really do the
Speaker 4: biggest lie in politics. Democrats and Republicans both lie, but
Speaker 4: they lie differently. Republicans will campaign all day long and
Speaker 4: tell you if I'm elected, I'm going to vote a
Speaker 4: on Bill one and you elected them, and here comes
Speaker 4: bill and they vote B. Democrats are gonna say, elect me,
Speaker 4: and I'm gonna vote B on Bill one, I promise.
Speaker 3: And Bill one is gonna do X, and you elect him.
Speaker 4: And here comes Bill one and it's seventeen thousand pages and.
Speaker 3: They vote B and it does why And that's where
Speaker 3: they lie to you.
Speaker 4: But the two parties unless you have a JFK who
Speaker 4: what happened to him?
Speaker 3: He was killed?
Speaker 4: Or you have a Nixon what happened to him? He
Speaker 4: got run out of office? Or you have Reagan what happened
Speaker 4: to him? He was shot and undercut all the time.
Speaker 4: And he had to barter with the RNC to have
Speaker 4: George HW. Bush's VP, or Trump, who they tried to
Speaker 4: both run out of office and kill.
Speaker 3: So it's like the two do work hand in hand.
Speaker 3: LBJ was a government expansionist.
Speaker 4: George H. W. Bush is a government expansionist. George W.
Speaker 4: Bush government expansionist. Mitch McConnell, Schumer, they're all in the
Speaker 4: business of government, and they're all trying to expand the government.
Speaker 1: Internationally.
Speaker 3: Well, you can do that one of two ways.
Speaker 4: You expand the government domestically by sending short jobs out
Speaker 4: internationally and expanding the pool of people dependent upon the government,
Speaker 4: because then it requires more funding and more health and
Speaker 4: more size and more responsibility to service those people. So
Speaker 4: your power increases because instead of you having power over
Speaker 4: a few, you have power over many.
Speaker 2: So my question is, but isn't the core value America
Speaker 2: is built off of least government as possible.
Speaker 4: Yes, that's why a lot of people refer to this
Speaker 4: concept as corruption.
Speaker 1: MM.
Speaker 3: But you're one thousand percent right.
Speaker 4: This is this is the make America Great again concept
Speaker 4: because it's a pushback against this whole concept.
Speaker 2: I got people in general here make America great. You know,
Speaker 2: it's exactly what time they think.
Speaker 3: I don't I understand it. I understand, I think.
Speaker 1: And I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 2: I think Trump knows that that people feel that way.
Speaker 2: But just like me, there's an arrogance aboudy like, well,
Speaker 2: I don't care. I'm not gonna cater to your ignorance,
Speaker 2: even though I know there's gonna be some hell of
Speaker 2: racist white people that's gonna think the same thing. But again,
Speaker 2: I think you leave it open for interpretation just so
Speaker 2: you could play games with fucking with people's mind.
Speaker 4: And I also think to some degree, he thinks if
Speaker 4: I'm going if I repeat it enough and demonstrate what
Speaker 4: I want to do enough, you'll have like a snaptick
Speaker 4: re word, reassociation, you.
Speaker 3: Know, involvement there.
Speaker 4: I think that I think that might be in his
Speaker 4: mind also part of it too. I'm gonna say make
Speaker 4: it very great a thousand times, and I'm gonna do
Speaker 4: And what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna put massive
Speaker 4: tariffs on China and Mexico and bring industry back here,
Speaker 4: and then people will think that America being great is
Speaker 4: having more jobs in America.
Speaker 3: I think there is.
Speaker 2: I think there would agree for I would like to believe,
Speaker 2: genuinely that's the thought. If there was a time period,
Speaker 2: I think we're talking about the Industrial Revolution. That's probably
Speaker 2: when America was its most American need.
Speaker 4: I think it's like the fifties, like you like, after
Speaker 4: World War Two. Everyone comes home or happy and the
Speaker 4: economies booming. Things are pretty straight, there's a lot of growth.
Speaker 4: I think it's kind of that. It's still it's, you know,
Speaker 4: not a great time for all of the nineteen fifties.
Speaker 3: As a matter of law.
Speaker 2: There's no time in America that's going to be great
Speaker 2: for black people because it's a handful of people, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. I think I think in this country,
Speaker 2: when you when you are few, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: you really have to make your own time. Like America
Speaker 2: is always the same for Japanese people. It don't matter
Speaker 2: which time outside of when they was locking them in
Speaker 2: internment camps. Forgive me be forgetful that time. No, but
Speaker 2: I'm saying every other time, right, most people make their
Speaker 2: they make their own luck when they're the few, true,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. They make their own luck
Speaker 2: in America, So it don't matter who's in the White
Speaker 2: House over the last thirty years, Japanese people are going
Speaker 2: to do this. This is because they build it based
Speaker 2: off their own economy. So forth in song, and I
Speaker 2: think black people in America kind of need to do
Speaker 2: the same. Like I get, you know, different movements. But again,
Speaker 2: this country is always gonna be really tough on just
Speaker 2: like like I said, a parent that has ten daughters
Speaker 2: and three sons, the sons are gonna have it tough,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, It's just what it is,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: What I mean.
Speaker 2: They're going to be doing the most. They're gonna get
Speaker 2: the less. It's gonna be really hard. You have ten girls,
Speaker 2: and I feel like that's the thing with America here.
Speaker 2: So but I think about it more and more and
Speaker 2: I always liking it. To American TV company, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, It's like that is exactly what happened.
Speaker 2: Like you, this is the problem with America, right, It's
Speaker 2: like when American TV companies were booming. Right, Yes, only
Speaker 2: a few people had them, but most people didn't have distractions.
Speaker 2: Then now you had to go out and solve your problems.
Speaker 2: You couldn't sit up and watch the idiot Box for
Speaker 2: that loan forgive me television. I'm not talking about you,
Speaker 2: but you know the transfer do You couldn't watch the
Speaker 2: idiot box for so long, right, You couldn't, Like you
Speaker 2: didn't have it to distract you and take away your
Speaker 2: woes and worries. Just like alcohol, all of these things
Speaker 2: take they distract you from solving problems. I mean lot,
Speaker 2: they buy you more time to not solve issues. Right,
Speaker 2: And at that point people had to go out and
Speaker 2: figure out. They had to go out and look for
Speaker 2: whatever it is to figure it out. They had to
Speaker 2: depend on each other. You know what I mean a
Speaker 2: lot more, you know.
Speaker 3: And for the most part another interesting.
Speaker 4: Off the top of my head, like I haven't kept
Speaker 4: up with all of it the last couple of years,
Speaker 4: but for quite some time it was like the most
Speaker 4: other than maybe Oregon, but like the most financially stratified
Speaker 4: states were the ones that were on the forefront of
Speaker 4: legalizing cannabis.
Speaker 1: But again it's like American TV Company.
Speaker 2: So when it was when they were really a luxury
Speaker 2: thing and very few households had them, I think the
Speaker 2: rest of America was better off. You were forced to
Speaker 2: deal with the problems. You couldn't distract yourself like social media,
Speaker 2: where you could go to a world you put unbelievable
Speaker 2: pressure on yourself. You really believe people are living these
Speaker 2: lives and they're just entertaining you, and they just selling
Speaker 2: you on the life that ain't true even for them.
Speaker 2: And TV does that better than anybody else. And then
Speaker 2: you know, you, okay, we're gonna take the jobs away.
Speaker 1: You're right.
Speaker 2: You could have been building American TVs to the point
Speaker 2: to where you could eventually bought one if it meant
Speaker 2: that much to you. But now it's like, okay, we're
Speaker 2: gonna sell this business off to other people where they
Speaker 2: don't pay them anything to make the TV, and they're
Speaker 2: gonna import the TV and sell it at a reasonable
Speaker 2: way so people without money can get the distractions.
Speaker 3: Sure.
Speaker 4: And another thing that's really tragic that's happening is like
Speaker 4: the cheap, unimportant, the unimportant shit is getting really cheap
Speaker 4: and affordable. The important shit is getting very expensive and unaffordable,
Speaker 4: that's my point. Yeah, simultaneously, so so you don't have
Speaker 4: wages going up to master the prices of a house.
Speaker 1: Cars are not getting cheaper, No hous.
Speaker 3: T shirts shit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like stupid crap right now, nothing's really getting cheaper
Speaker 4: but buying large like yeah, I mean it's stupid technical crap.
Speaker 4: Like even if you were to say, like the cell
Speaker 4: phone is not getting cheaper, the gigabyte.
Speaker 2: Is getting cheaper, you know, and the cell phone is cheaper. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean it's luxury models or not the popular models.
Speaker 2: But you can get a cell phone. What it's eighty
Speaker 2: dollars yeah a month.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The eighty dollars cell phone now though, is like an
Speaker 4: eight gig fully functional cell phone. The eighty dollars cell
Speaker 4: phone five six, seven, eight years ago was.
Speaker 1: A flip phone some shit that don't matter.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So it's just now people are getting paid such
Speaker 4: a small amount of money that to it's easy to
Speaker 4: fuck off the money on stupid shit. You have to
Speaker 4: have an enormous amount of long game discipline to stow
Speaker 4: the money away and invest them only away and get
Speaker 4: the house or to just have the portfolio or whatever,
Speaker 4: because like if you're putting pitchon shit money into whatever
Speaker 4: at ten percent, you're getting like eight bucks a year.
Speaker 4: You have to really commit and understand, like this is
Speaker 4: not anymore a two year process to like hop out
Speaker 4: of high school or college, work a couple of years,
Speaker 4: buy a house. Mary, That's no longer you can be
Speaker 4: buying it.
Speaker 2: Because but again that's because we sold out. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: America as not we because that's not some glasses shit.
Speaker 2: America sold that dream. I don't get Why would they
Speaker 2: sell that dream? That's what made this country fantastic? And
Speaker 2: did they really sell that dream, Pete, because people are
Speaker 2: still coming to America and grows looking for that same
Speaker 2: opportunity or is it now we're getting a different kind
Speaker 2: of person in coming here at this point, Like why
Speaker 2: would somebody still come to this country if that dream
Speaker 2: has escaped because it had to escape. A.
Speaker 4: They might not know what's escaped because what kind of
Speaker 4: information are you getting down there. B. It also speaks
Speaker 4: to just how grand the gap is. I mean, we
Speaker 4: could fall down a flat of stairs and still be
Speaker 4: two stories above. Guatemala, you know what I mean? Sure,
Speaker 4: I mean, just bluntly speaking, or Venezuela. Venezuela was the
Speaker 4: second richest country in the Western Hemisphere or the richest
Speaker 4: country in South America thirty years ago, and they just
Speaker 4: pivoted and collapsed. You know, so no point, nations are
Speaker 4: always rising and falling. But yeah, and there's a lot
Speaker 4: of people like right now, I mean, shit, the stuff
Speaker 4: comes out. There's an app that you can have out
Speaker 4: of a country to get flown into the United States
Speaker 4: at our expense into a facility. Well they're where they're
Speaker 4: going to give you a court date for five years
Speaker 4: from now and give you an EBT card until that coordinates.
Speaker 1: I mean, America is a nation of immigrants.
Speaker 2: They built it that way, and I don't know if
Speaker 2: you could really change that part, but I definitely would.
Speaker 2: I think with this type of population, we should be
Speaker 2: able to be.
Speaker 1: Programming and turning out.
Speaker 2: Things for the whole world, at least for America. But
Speaker 2: I guess you would have to compete with different markets.
Speaker 2: I mean, what was America exporting pre nineteen sixty. Yeah,
Speaker 2: But you know, it's funny that we keep trying to
Speaker 2: globalize the economy when this economy was at its greatest,
Speaker 2: when it was very centralized about things going on here.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense?
Speaker 2: Like America was revered as a country when it was
Speaker 2: all about American things, Like, it didn't matter we wasn't
Speaker 2: exporting cars to Japan.
Speaker 1: They end up wanting them anyway.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And part of that's also true, like there's like
Speaker 4: an arc to like innovation, where like the first person
Speaker 4: to create a new thing is going to have a
Speaker 4: monopoly over it, and then the monopoly is gonna get
Speaker 4: eventually like broken down by competitors. So you did see
Speaker 4: that in car manufacturing. We didn't invent the car, but
Speaker 4: we had an effective monopoly on its production efficiency, and
Speaker 4: then other countries got hiped to it and started competing
Speaker 4: against it and brought our market share back down. That's natural,
Speaker 4: that's gonna happen. We just did a shitty job at
Speaker 4: competing back as the truth, I mean.
Speaker 3: Even like if you look at like a lot of
Speaker 3: our policies, a lot of stupid shit we have, so
Speaker 3: it's so expensive.
Speaker 4: The gap between like the cost of an employee and
Speaker 4: what the employee.
Speaker 3: Receives is huge.
Speaker 4: Like we spend all that money to try to make microprocessors,
Speaker 4: you know, from over because of the risk of Taiwan
Speaker 4: and China in Arizona and giving billions of dollars to
Speaker 4: these companies, and they would get in there and start
Speaker 4: to build the facility, and they go, well, we're never
Speaker 4: gonna make a dime doing this. You've made it impossible.
Speaker 4: You've restricted our hiring, you've taxed this, you've done this.
Speaker 4: We can't get a permit for this, ABCDEFG. And like
Speaker 4: you go over to other places and they're like, you
Speaker 4: want to do something here, you want to do something here,
Speaker 4: go ahead and do it here.
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