1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. 4 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 2: A production of iHeartRadio. 5 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 3: Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt. It's 6 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:33,480 Speaker 3: International podcasting Day as we're recording this. Our colleague Nol 7 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,160 Speaker 3: is on an adventure, but will be returning very soon. 8 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 2: Safe travels, Nol. They call be Ben. We're joined as 9 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 2: always with our super producer, Dylan, the Tennessee pal Fagan. 10 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:49,279 Speaker 2: Most importantly, you argue you are here. That makes this 11 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 2: the stuff they don't want you to know now. Unlike 12 00:00:54,240 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 2: some other operations, we welcome everyone. Hey, humans, shout out 13 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 2: to you. We are big fans Matt. While this species 14 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 2: of primate, this super eighte, hasn't really been around for 15 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 2: a long time. In the grand scheme of things, our pals, 16 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 2: the Homo sapiens, have already fundamentally altered Planet Earth in 17 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 2: ways we won't fully comprehend for tens of thousands of years. 18 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 2: Fellow conspiracy realist, we are coming to you live and 19 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 2: direct from the age of the anthrope scene. There's a 20 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,479 Speaker 2: lot on the line. This is a high stakes episode, 21 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 2: and you know, the clocks ticking, pollution war, environmental degradation 22 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 2: could all spell doom for our humble protagonists, the human. 23 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 3: That's right, there are enemies without and to enemies within. 24 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 3: According to a set of speeches we just listened to 25 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 3: this morning. 26 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 2: All right, and all had all. I think it'll occur 27 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 2: in a lot of therapy sessions, if it hasn't already. 28 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 4: I knocked one out this morning, right right. 29 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 2: And if you like us, share a similar sphere of interest, 30 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:14,119 Speaker 2: you've you've probably been intensely involved with speculation right at 31 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 2: this point, especially about the future of the United States. 32 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 2: It's bigger than hip hop. It's bigger than a country. 33 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 2: It's bigger than a religion. It's the idea of humanity 34 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 2: in general. In tonight's episode, let's assume the worst happens 35 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 2: one way or another, hell or high water, hook or 36 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 2: by crook, the human as we know it is gone. 37 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 2: So what comes next? What if anything will rise to 38 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 2: take its place? Data centers, there will come soft rains. 39 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 2: But first, a word from our sponsors. Here are the facts. 40 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 2: All right, We're gonna kick a weird pitch to you, folks. 41 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 2: It's a brief origin story of humanity, which has interested 42 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 2: Dylan and Matt Nolan myself for an extraordinary, an egregious 43 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 2: amount of time. According to the current scientific consensus, modern 44 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 2: humans like humans, humans the folks who play on TikTok 45 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 2: or make wars with each other. Right now, they've only 46 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:31,239 Speaker 2: been around for about two hundred thousand years, which seems 47 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 2: like a very short amount of time, right. 48 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 3: It does seem like a short amount of time, especially 49 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 3: considering brand new news that came out. Gosh, I think 50 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 3: it was a week ago essentially that we're recording this, 51 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 3: that a skull, a human skull of a Homo sapien 52 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 3: skull was discovered that was half a million years younger 53 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 3: than we thought humans were around, which potentially could rewrite 54 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 3: all of human history and even that scientific consensus that 55 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 3: we're currently yet right when we say that that's where 56 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 3: we are now, but as more and worse stuff emerges 57 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 3: than maybe humans have been around for a lot longer. 58 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 2: Right, Let's get into that part, because we already know, 59 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 2: or at least the boffins the eggheads tell us that 60 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 2: human ancestry overall dates back circa six million years, and 61 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 2: that's when a humble, really ambitious primate both humble and ambitious. 62 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 2: The Sahill anthropists began. It was the first thing to say, Hey, 63 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 2: you know what, crawling around on all fours is cool, 64 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 2: But what if I just kicked a wheelie forever and 65 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 2: did by pedalism, you know, walking on two legs on 66 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 2: the back too. How crazy would it be if they 67 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 2: decided to go on the front two. 68 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 3: Hey we still do that sometimes, but that's more for 69 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 3: funzies or showing off. But it makes a lot of sense, 70 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 3: right you. A thing figures out, Oh, if I only 71 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 3: use two feet to walk, I can use these other 72 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 3: two to hold stuff or to grab things move stuff. 73 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 3: Uh pretty smart, thanks, thanks a lot. 74 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, nice one, guys. And uh after this, after figuring out, 75 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 2: hey we can just pop a WHEELI and walk on 76 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 2: our back legs, the thing we call Homo sapiens doesn't 77 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 2: really hit the stage again in current scientific consensus until 78 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 2: about five more million years have passed. 79 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 4: Jeez man, really, I know about that. 80 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 2: Like five million. There's somebody listening in the audience now 81 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 2: who possesses six million dollars in liquid cash, and they're like, yeah, 82 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 2: I can see it. Most people don't comprehend what a 83 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 2: million means much less five of those. So over this 84 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 2: stretch of time, this very long stretch of time, multiple 85 00:05:56,320 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 2: different species of humans evolved, and when it's they encountered 86 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 2: each other, they interbred. And that's why, as we learned 87 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 2: it in previous episode, people today, many of us in 88 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 2: the audience have lingering traces of Neanderthal or Denisovan heritage 89 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 2: in our DNA. That's also you know, by the way, 90 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 2: current humans still haven't figured out how many other mixtapes 91 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 2: of humanity there were. There's still some mystery, Kaiser, so's 92 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 2: a DNA out there, they're a ghost inside you? 93 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 4: Oh yeah. 94 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 3: And everything we're learning about how much your gut biome 95 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 3: has to do with who you are and what you are, 96 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 3: and even how you think and what thinking is. Oh man, 97 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 3: Just all the things that we picked up over all 98 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 3: of those millions of years and before that, all of 99 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 3: the millions and billions of years that life was making 100 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 3: those small changes, right that ends up becoming the thing 101 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 3: that's listening to this right now. 102 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 2: And the things that are creating it. One side note 103 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 2: that I think we need to emphasize is that the 104 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 2: more we learn about the ancient past, as we're saying, 105 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 2: Matt the further we keep pushing the timeline of scientific consensus. 106 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 2: The Denisovin, for instance, is a fairly recent discovery. Researchers 107 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 2: still believe there are more ancient mixtapes of humanity that 108 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 2: have yet to be discovered. And sometimes religion and politics 109 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 2: can interfere with the scientific endeavors here because you know, 110 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 2: consider the real life hobbits, the Homo floresiens, we're just 111 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 2: going to call them hobbits out of Indonesia, extinct, very small, 112 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 2: and due to some spiritual and religious concerns, there's a 113 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 2: hot debate about whether or not they should qualify as human. 114 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 5: Yep. 115 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 3: So we've got all these discoveries, right, and these are 116 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 3: only some of the discoveries, and there is much more 117 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 3: to be found because we only you know, dug in 118 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 3: a certain number of places, sure a certain amount of time, 119 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 3: and there's all kinds of things that I think it's 120 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 3: inevitable that we will discover if humanity gets to continue 121 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 3: for a long enough time. 122 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, go to hustle, guys. They still haven't 123 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 2: found my old city under the waves, because it's very 124 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 2: difficult for humans to spend a lot of time underwater. Okay, Dylan, 125 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 2: keep it in, but we're moving on, so we'll keep 126 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 2: it in. It is. It is absolutely possible. It's thrilling 127 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 2: that we know, even as we are recording today on 128 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 2: September thirtieth, twenty twenty five, like right now, as you 129 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 2: were hearing this, a person may dig in an undug place, 130 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 2: right and they may find that skull, They may find 131 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 2: that finger bone, they may find a relic of old 132 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:07,439 Speaker 2: that absolutely upends everything we think we know about humanity 133 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 2: in the ancient past. And then if we flip that 134 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 2: script and we look towards the future, we see that 135 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:20,839 Speaker 2: science also agrees, no matter what the coming millennia may bring, 136 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 2: humanity has left several long lasting marks on the natural world. 137 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 2: Perhaps not the best, the honest, maybe not the the 138 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 2: best ones. Uh, maybe not the stuff civilization wants to 139 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 2: be known for. 140 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:39,079 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, but you know. 141 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 2: You don't get to do your own speech at your funeral, right. 142 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 3: So some of us do. Some people record those videos. 143 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 2: Oh I don't think it counts. That's pre taped. 144 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 3: Well, eventually it will be an AI version of the 145 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 3: person says thank you for coming to my funeral. 146 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 2: I told you man for you. 147 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 4: To be here. 148 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 2: You can. You can also keep the conversation going with 149 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 2: me go to www dot Illumination Global Dlimited dot org. 150 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 2: We're charity, So okay, let's do it this way on 151 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 2: a positive note, right, humans aren't all bad. Humans are 152 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 2: self obsessed for sure, and that's a biological imperative. But 153 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 2: humanity has broken a ton of records, right, advancing understanding 154 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 2: of the planet upon which it lives, advancing the understanding 155 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:38,679 Speaker 2: of science to this unprecedented level of sophistication. It's something 156 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 2: that has never been witnessed before in any other living 157 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 2: organism again that we know of so far. Yes, yeah, 158 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 2: that caveat at the end is doing a lot of work. 159 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 4: Well, it's a lead. 160 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, we only have evidence of ourselves being able to 161 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 3: do these things. Right, as we stated, we've only been 162 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 3: around again, Well, if you're to believe the findings of 163 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 3: the skull Unsian two that you know is about a 164 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 3: million years old and is Homo sapien and. 165 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 2: So pushes back to the timeline like five hundred thousand years. 166 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 3: But even then, right, there's still a lot of time 167 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 3: between Earth being a viable planet for a life and 168 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 3: that point, right, A. 169 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 2: Lot of time. 170 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's it's hard to wrap your head around 171 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 3: until you see what you know, those graphics. You can 172 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 3: find a graphic right now that shows the moment Earth 173 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 3: is formed, and then the moment that you know life 174 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:40,199 Speaker 3: is potentially able to spring forth, and then where we are, 175 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:44,079 Speaker 3: and just the amount of time we don't know that 176 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 3: something else didn't come along and flourish the way we did, 177 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 3: but then over the course of millions of years, all 178 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 3: evidence of that would just go away. 179 00:11:56,040 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I'm I'm obsessed still with a Lurian hypothesis. 180 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 2: Probably you probably still are. It's it's an excellent thought 181 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:14,439 Speaker 2: experiment because time is such a constant, unrelenting thing. We have. 182 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 2: At the top of our episode, we do these little 183 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 2: quotes for each other, and one of them, of course, 184 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 2: is Osymandias. There's no poem more appropriate. Matt, Can you 185 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 2: give us a quote in your like you're so great 186 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 2: with voices. Can you give us a quote in like 187 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 2: a banger Hollywood blockbuster voice from this poem. 188 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 5: My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings. Look on my works, 189 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 5: ye mighty, and despair. Nothing beside remains round the decay 190 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 5: of that colossal wreck, boundless and bear the lone and 191 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 5: level sands stretch far away. 192 00:12:55,520 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 2: Beautiful, beautiful, and thank you Matt. This poem as any 193 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:05,439 Speaker 2: as any fellow nerds know, this poem is an observation 194 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 2: of how important and fancy and sophisticated humanity's top dogs 195 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 2: can see themselves. And it's irony, right, It's high classical irony, 196 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 2: because the rest of the poem, if you if you 197 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 2: read it, it's it's about a guy who stumbles upon 198 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 2: the ruins of a statue and he can just read 199 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:35,439 Speaker 2: the remnants of this plaque that says, I'm yeah, I was. 200 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 3: Oh wait wait, oh yeah, you're You're not here anymore, 201 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 3: and neither's any of your stuff. 202 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 2: But okay, sure, I mean, nice hustle on the plaque. 203 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:48,199 Speaker 3: You know, you started from the bottom and you're. 204 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 2: Back at the bottom. But you had a journey. It 205 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 2: was very Joseph Campbell. I mean. Right now, humanity is 206 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 2: verging on the cusp of colonizing space, going out into 207 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 2: the ink. This means it's possible humanity may be the 208 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 2: first large life form to successfully franchise, to put it 209 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 2: in capitalistic terms, to expand its population to other nearby asteroids, 210 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 2: moons and planets, and I get so excited about this, Matt. 211 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 2: I'm a space nerd, but I know there's a lot 212 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 2: of work to be done. There are tons of obstacles, 213 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 2: you know what. I feel like Jim Carrey and dumb 214 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 2: and dumber saying, So you're saying there's a chance. 215 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, think of all the resources, all the capital, the 216 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 3: uncaptured capital out there. Think of all the ad space, 217 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 3: think think of the data centers. 218 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 4: Man. 219 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 220 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 2: Peter Thiel looks out into the horizon of the heavens 221 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 2: and says, we could put some billboards up there. 222 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 5: Yeah. 223 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 3: Well, meanwhile, we're just attempt everybody is now attempting to 224 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 3: weaponize space as much as possible X thirty seven. B Oh, 225 00:14:58,160 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 3: I think we kind of know what you've been doing 226 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 3: up there now, all right, you know if I feel 227 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 3: the same way you do, Ben as in, that is 228 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 3: the great potential of humanity to be able to do. 229 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 2: That, of any life for him. Yeah. 230 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 3: But yeah, but you know that's what we got to 231 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 3: work with, just us, and that's what we could be doing. 232 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 3: That's what we might do. Yeah, but it's looking more 233 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,239 Speaker 3: and more every day. That's why we're making this episode 234 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 3: like it might not happen. 235 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 2: It's a ticking clock, right, Yeah. Yeah. How insane is this? 236 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 2: How thrilling is it that there is a genuine plausibility 237 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 2: of space exploration right, not counting you know, the mold 238 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 2: or bacteria or whatever ancient astronaut created life on Earth 239 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 2: in the first place. And I got to say, Matt, 240 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 2: the more I think about it over these many years, 241 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 2: I love everything about the pan spermia theory except for 242 00:15:59,320 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 2: the name. 243 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 3: I remember when we said that to Dan Harmon's face 244 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 3: in the La studio and he just made fun of 245 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 3: us for saying pans for me. 246 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 2: So hard. Good dude, though, good dude, philosophical meditative. He 247 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 2: would dig this. I think he would dig this exploration. 248 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 2: But you know, the idea of any earthbound species, like 249 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 2: a kid from the hood, cosmically making it to space, 250 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 2: it's like winning the lottery millions of times in a row. 251 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 2: The fact that civilization is even at this point now, 252 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 2: and if it does end up happening space exploration does 253 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 2: become a thing, it will, without caveat, be one of 254 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 2: the most stunning wins in the history of the known universe. 255 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's. 256 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 3: A big if, but you know, doesn't it feel like 257 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 3: maybe we have a bit more evolving to do before 258 00:16:55,920 --> 00:17:00,040 Speaker 3: we can. You know, I feel very parental in some 259 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 3: ways about this, Like before we can thrust ourselves at 260 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 3: any other place to rebuild the things we're doing here. 261 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:13,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, get a learner's permit before you go on the interstate. Yeah. 262 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 3: Well, and I guess that. But also we're like hoisting 263 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 3: a virus currently in our current state and be like 264 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 3: hoisting viruses out to infect other planets because of our 265 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:27,439 Speaker 3: division and all this other you know, all the stuff 266 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 3: that we're dealing with right now that we can't get 267 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 3: along in all these ways and we can't just love 268 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 3: each other. 269 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 4: We just I don't know. 270 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 3: It just feels like a dangerous proposition for any other 271 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 3: potential life that we might encounter. 272 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 2: There's a track record, right, there is a precedent. Everything 273 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 2: is precedent. I ching, you know. It reminds me of 274 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 2: a conversation I was having with the very smart person 275 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:03,360 Speaker 2: who works at NASA still despite the one yeah, the 276 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 2: last rocket person, the last rocketmand no. Talking with this person, 277 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 2: a brilliant mind, and she said maybe humanity shouldn't go 278 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 2: to space, And I said, that's weird, because of your 279 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 2: day job. And in response, dude, she sent me the 280 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 2: best metaphor for human expansion into space, which was a 281 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:36,159 Speaker 2: clip of a virus expanding throughout a circulatory system. And 282 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:39,360 Speaker 2: I think that's what you're kind of describing here. Should 283 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 2: is human expansion good for the universe? 284 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 3: Right now? There's a clear answer in it's no. But 285 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 3: the hope is that it will be something that is 286 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 3: worth spreading, right, and that yeah, maybe it's The hard 287 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 3: fact is maybe it's not humanity as we know it. 288 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:04,360 Speaker 2: Maybe that thing is exactly not where it's at we've 289 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 2: talked about in the past, Right, We're going to see 290 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 2: that in this episode a ship of thesis argument. Right, 291 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 2: does your journey to the stars change you so much 292 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 2: that you are no longer you when you achieve that goal? 293 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 2: It's a deep question. It's one I know we both 294 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 2: love to noodle over and sometimes, honestly I will just 295 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 2: go check out Dylan's Instagram and listen to some cool, 296 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 2: chill acoustic music just to deradicalize this entity here for 297 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:41,199 Speaker 2: a second. We do have to say it is a 298 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 2: big if right now about the question of franchising expanding 299 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 2: to space, because humans have a lot of cons pretty 300 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 2: much like any other animal. Humans, it's a race against time. 301 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 2: We got all these technological breakthroughs that amaze and terrify 302 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 2: everybody tuning in tonight. Science is advancing in every possible field. 303 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 2: We're still finding random skulls. But humans are also battling 304 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 2: enormous consequences for their actions and for the actions of 305 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 2: their ancestors. I mean, radioactive waste. Come on, who's gonna 306 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 2: figure that one out? Yeah, who's front and line for that? 307 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 3: And that's yeah, that's actual physical impact on the Earth 308 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 3: and how it functions in the systems that are necessary 309 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,919 Speaker 3: for the life that humans. You know, I'm sorry, I 310 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 3: feel all. I don't mean to be anti human. God, 311 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 3: we just we take all of it for granted, and 312 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 3: we alter it so much to the point where it's 313 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 3: not gonna be helpful for us or anything else. Did 314 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 3: we kind of do that? And if we go to 315 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 3: another planet, we're gonna have to terraform that crap, you know, probably. 316 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:58,919 Speaker 2: Terror for there you go, Okay, wait, no, we just 317 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 2: stumbled upon the next IGU blockbuster. Well, it'll probably be 318 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 2: on the sci Fi channel late at night, but it's 319 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 2: called terror Form, and it's like a help me out here, Matt. 320 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,919 Speaker 3: It's it's a bunch of these weird looking creatures, you know, 321 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 3: attacking a planet and okay and setting up these weird 322 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 3: structures to inject a bunch of nitrogen and oxygen into 323 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 3: this place that runs onto other gases, and all the 324 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 3: other creatures are like, oh no, what the heck get 325 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 3: out of here. 326 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:33,159 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, And the trailer opens with 327 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 2: a world and you see, uh, you see one of 328 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 2: the little alien kids very excited because there's like what 329 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 2: they think is a meteor shower or a comet, but 330 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 2: it's it's the first of the human made things landing 331 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 2: to change the other. 332 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 4: Or landing. 333 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 3: They think something incredible is happening, amazing, and they just 334 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:00,159 Speaker 3: show up and then they, you know, exphyxiate every one 335 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 3: on the planet with oxygen. 336 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 2: A lighter version of this, we could do a dry run. 337 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 2: Let's get a sick ass drone show over North Sentinel Island, 338 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Use the Chinese tech to 339 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 2: make it look like a face, a human face that 340 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 2: is speaking and says and says fifteen percent off washable. 341 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 3: Soface very blue beam of you, Ben, Yeah, you're like 342 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 3: micro blue beaming. 343 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly there we go. 344 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,360 Speaker 3: Oh buddy, with that, I think it's time to take 345 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 3: a little break. Let's hear from our sponsors, and then 346 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 3: we'll be right back. 347 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 5: Don't go away. 348 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 2: Oh you came back. Oh, thanks so much, folks, let's 349 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 2: get into it. We also know pollution is murdering ecosystems. 350 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 2: The humanity is clearly the culprit. 351 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 3: Uh. 352 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:57,439 Speaker 2: There's a horrific decline in wildlife populations since just in 353 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 2: the last few decades. We're talking about a loss of 354 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 2: upwards of seventy percent. 355 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 3: We talked about in Strange News not long ago the 356 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 3: diversity of insects and how crazy a sharp drop off 357 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 3: that is. 358 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And now you know it's one of those 359 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 2: generational milestones. Here in the United States. There are people 360 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:22,719 Speaker 2: humans alive now who have never driven through a place 361 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 2: where a bunch of bugs smacked on their windshield. They're 362 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 2: simply fewer of those animals. And of course the list 363 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 2: goes on microplastics. Shout out to you, guys. They're in 364 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:41,679 Speaker 2: microplastics like fungi now, like synthetic funguy. They are some 365 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,959 Speaker 2: of the most well traveled substances on the planet. You 366 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 2: can go into the depths of the Arctic ice, and 367 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 2: you'll find some. 368 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 3: Plastic, and you'll find it in most of the fish, 369 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 3: in the mammals. 370 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 2: That are in the oceans, your balls, the fetus, you'll 371 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 2: find it everywhere. Humans have also terror formed the earth 372 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 2: with farming operations the industrial age, all leading to the 373 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 2: destruction of critical biomes that create clean air and. 374 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,439 Speaker 3: Rolling back all the regulations to protect those things so 375 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 3: that we can build data centers as fast as we 376 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 3: possibly can and soak up all the water. 377 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 2: I remember a conversation we had years ago, or you know, 378 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 2: as we often say, off air, and I loved when 379 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 2: you made this point. We've been kind of having the 380 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 2: same long, a long conversation for almost twenty years now, 381 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 2: so it's tough for us sometimes folks to remember what 382 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 2: is or is not on the air. But I do 383 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 2: remember this phase we had where we were both super 384 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,880 Speaker 2: heated up about television specials like Life. 385 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 3: Out People, that's like the Blue Planet days, and yes, 386 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 3: Life After People was astonishing because it was such a 387 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:10,120 Speaker 3: sobering look at what happens to all these structures that 388 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 3: I think in our minds, at least in my mind. 389 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 3: You know, before watching that, you just imagine they're gonna 390 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 3: be there forever, like New York City on Manhattan is 391 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,239 Speaker 3: going to look like that forever. And you know, there 392 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 3: might be some new buildings created. There might be a 393 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 3: giant dome they put over it. At some point. 394 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 2: They might bring back blint. Sure, you know, dirigibles, that 395 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 2: was what. 396 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 3: But most of that stuff's gonna stick around because that 397 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 3: this is humanity, this is our legacy. This is But 398 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 3: then you see just how short of a timespan it 399 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 3: would take for all of that stuff to crumble and 400 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 3: be eaten by all of the life around. 401 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 2: Tut tut asa mandius once again. Yes, especially with New 402 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 2: York's water table. Right, human made structures will decay much 403 00:25:56,240 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 2: more rapidly than humans like to think, because it's hurtful. 404 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 2: You know, you work really hard on something and and 405 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 2: now it doesn't matter. 406 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,919 Speaker 4: Binds everywhere. 407 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 2: The rats of evolved thumbs and they're in they're in 408 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 2: a culture war with the the descendants of the raccoons 409 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 2: and talking. They won't shut up, and they've got different gods. 410 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 2: It gets it's the same story anyway, We're absolutely nailing it. 411 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 2: By the way, check out Life After People. It's it's 412 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 2: bittersweet it's beautiful, it's very educational. Without constant maintenance, most 413 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 2: solid seeming structures will fall victim to instability, natural disaster, 414 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 2: rot and the relentless march of time. And part of 415 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 2: that is because, as we discussed in our explorations of 416 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 2: ancient lost cities, especially in South America, part of this 417 00:26:55,720 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 2: is because Earth itself is a gigantic superorganism. Not to 418 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,399 Speaker 2: get all gaya woo wooi or spirit a little bit, 419 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 2: just practically it is its own living thing, and we're 420 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 2: all all things human and non we are all just 421 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 2: little pieces. We're all little mitochondria or organelles of this 422 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:24,160 Speaker 2: gigantic cell. The Earth hungers and it eats everything. 423 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 3: That's right it is. It's one big digestive process. Once 424 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 3: things begin to break down, and that's everything. That's why 425 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 3: the stone structures like the Mount Rushmore episode that we 426 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 3: just did, that's why those are so important because it 427 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:39,679 Speaker 3: really does take erosion and very specific, long timeline stuff 428 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 3: to take place for those things to break down. 429 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 4: That's why you. 430 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 3: Still have the Sphinx, well at least to what's left 431 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 3: of it. That's why you still have the Pyramids and 432 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 3: a lot of these things the stone engine, stone structures. 433 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 3: But that's why all the metal and glass disappeared from 434 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 3: the last civilization. 435 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 2: I no, no, keep it, keep going. 436 00:27:58,720 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 4: I want to believe. 437 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 2: I want to believe too. Also fun terrifying fact or 438 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 2: a sad fact. If you check out this show that 439 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 2: we do with our Palnoll Ridiculous History. We've been doing 440 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 2: this series of wonders of the ancient world, which were 441 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 2: relatively arbitrary, and you know who got in and who 442 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 2: got out of that list. But the only one remaining, 443 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 2: the only one standing now would be the Great Pyramids. 444 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 2: And that's because, just as you described, Matt, they're built 445 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 2: of stone. They used to look way cooler. They were painted, 446 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 2: people hung out. It was like going to a festival. 447 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 2: And now we've just got the triangle that didn't fall down. 448 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 3: Man, can't even sacrifice people up there anymore. 449 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 2: It's a bummer, you know, just the like the permits alone. Well, 450 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 2: write to Accounting about it. I'd love to see that pitch. 451 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 2: Good news though, good news for any of our fellow 452 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 2: non humans. The end of humanity is not going to 453 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 2: be the end of the world, probably not, depending on 454 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 2: how they go out. It's not going to be the 455 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 2: end of all life on Earth. Because evolution is this unceasing, tenacious, 456 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 2: brutal editor. It's always pitching new ideas. Most of its 457 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 2: new ideas don't work out, and they're kind of dumb 458 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 2: because they're random, and the ones that do take can 459 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 2: change the course of the future. From everything we know 460 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 2: about the past, it is safe to say that after 461 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 2: the fall of humanity, something else will inevitably statistically rise 462 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 2: in its absence. And we're saying this because we have 463 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 2: more than a single sample size here as you are listening. 464 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 2: If you're listening in twenty twenty five, our civilization is 465 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 2: amid the sixth Great Extinction. There were five before, and 466 00:29:55,960 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 2: they absolutely rocked the pillars of the world. And in 467 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 2: every case so far, during those mass extinction events, something 468 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 2: came up. You know, the big dogs got popped, and 469 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 2: the little ones, the humble or the meek, who inherited 470 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 2: the earth, they evolved right and ultimately ultimately became the 471 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 2: things that would have hunted them in the past. I mean, 472 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 2: it's gonna happen. Will Will this thing, though, Matt, whatever 473 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 2: it may be, Will it reach the same levels of 474 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 2: prelaps arian human civilization pre fall civilization. 475 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 4: Have we reached it from the last one. 476 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 3: I'm sorry to keep going back, because you just have 477 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 3: to imagine, if we are here in this point now, 478 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 3: and there has been this massive expanse of time, you 479 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 3: have to at least keep yourself open to the possibility 480 00:30:55,280 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 3: that this isn't the first time this not exact set 481 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 3: of circumstances has occurred, but something similar enough the way 482 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 3: we're about to speculate about what comes after us, Right. 483 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be. That's a tremendous point, because it 484 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 2: would be so bizarrely self absorbed to assume the possibility 485 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 2: doesn't exist. Because it makes what it makes you more comfortable, 486 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 2: it makes you feel more well read or something. No 487 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 2: nobody knows any one person who counted to a million? Yeah, 488 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 2: right now, just just count, start counting. 489 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 3: All right, we'll see you in It's gonna it's gonna 490 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 3: be a uh but yeah, it is. Is it more 491 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 3: or less likely that we are the first thing is 492 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 3: to experience this moment of building something large enough and 493 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 3: complex enough that we we believe we can transfer our 494 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 3: genius to other places, you know, like, are we the 495 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 3: first Maybe. 496 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 2: What I'm hearing is someone arguing against space travel by 497 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 2: saying we have the Fermi paradox here at home. Well, 498 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 2: I hear you. I mean, if something arises, would it 499 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 2: even be close enough to humanity on many levels to 500 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 2: understand that something else existed before? Right? This flickering candle 501 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 2: in the dark doesn't know that there were other candles 502 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 2: before it? Right? 503 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 3: Would it find remnants of us and view us and 504 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 3: our skeletons the few that they're able to uncover the 505 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 3: same way we look at dinosaurs and we think, oh, 506 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 3: that was obviously some kind of you know, primitive reptilian species, 507 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 3: and you know, look at the claw structure, and oh, 508 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 3: look at how their tails were formed, you know, And 509 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 3: is it thencerema thing? But applied to. 510 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 2: Species absolutely, you know, consider all the accidents and intervening 511 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 2: variables that could occur. We have to move on. But 512 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 2: just to spin it out, what if future extraterrestrials descendants 513 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 2: of humans or something, they lose the knowledge they have 514 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 2: a quote unquote dark age and they only find skeletons 515 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:21,479 Speaker 2: that don't have a left arm, and they think, okay, 516 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 2: these three limbed creatures once ruled the earth. They won't 517 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 2: know differently, anyway, we don't have enough information current civilization 518 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 2: to definitively say what will happen after the fall of humanity? 519 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 2: But everything we do know about history about mass extinctions, 520 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 2: we're in the middle of the sixth one here in 521 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 2: the age of the anthropacy. We have some things that 522 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 2: can help us make guesses. So what exactly happens what 523 00:33:50,240 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 2: comes after is humanity? First, we'll do some ads. Here's 524 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 2: where it gets crazy. This goes in so many directions. Uh, 525 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 2: we can I propose we break down a few basics 526 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 2: and then get to thought experimentation. You know, Okay, nothing here, 527 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:19,359 Speaker 2: nothing that follows here has been conclusively proven. Abandon all 528 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 2: certainty you who enter here. We've got to sample size one. 529 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 2: After all, we're talking about our main guys, the humans. 530 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 2: If anything here does prove correct, to prove that any 531 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 2: of this is factual, that would inherently mean humans are 532 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 2: already long gone. Yes, so we're guessing. 533 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 4: We're guessing. 534 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 3: We're gonna have some pretty extensive models I would say, 535 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,879 Speaker 3: coming up pretty soon thanks to anthropic and all those 536 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 3: folks over there and video and Google and followood meta Ueah, 537 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 3: we're gonna they're gonna crunch the numbers and they're gonna 538 00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 3: figure out exactly what humans were like once we're going and. 539 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 2: You know, full disclosure, folks, this is somewhat of a 540 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:10,360 Speaker 2: Maudlin uncertain time for a lot of us on the 541 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,720 Speaker 2: Earth and us on the show personally. Not to speak 542 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 2: for everybody, but I remember in darker evenings just the 543 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:24,719 Speaker 2: realization that the world is bigger than an individual, So 544 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 2: someone's world is ending somewhere every day, and humanity can 545 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 2: end in any number of ways. In preparation for this 546 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 2: and some future episodes, re listened to our buddy Josh's 547 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:46,359 Speaker 2: excellent series on the End of the World, which came 548 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:51,840 Speaker 2: after Matt. You and I were working on various videos 549 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,080 Speaker 2: about how the world could end and it was sure weird. 550 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 2: Well yeah, and we'd have to take a lunch break 551 00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 2: after that. 552 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:02,280 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, that was just spoiler alert. 553 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 3: Back in the day, Ben and I used to be 554 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 3: on the same I don't know what you would call that, 555 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:10,799 Speaker 3: the vertical team making stuff, and we were working on 556 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,279 Speaker 3: that show together when he was called something else and Ben, 557 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,840 Speaker 3: you took it, and right, you are the executive producer 558 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 3: of that show, aren't you. 559 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,719 Speaker 2: I would say, I'm a friend of Josh Okay. 560 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 3: Well, it's incredible and if you haven't listened to it, 561 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 3: listened to it. And it harkens back to discussions we 562 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,880 Speaker 3: used to have even earlier than that with Marshall Brain. 563 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:31,480 Speaker 4: He wrote a. 564 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,360 Speaker 3: Whole book called The Doomsday Book where he lays out 565 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 3: all of these things we're about to talk about that 566 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 3: Josh talks about. Josh talked to these incredible experts that 567 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,239 Speaker 3: you can hear interviews with, but it is a sobering 568 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 3: thing to really look at them all laid out, because 569 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,280 Speaker 3: there's a lot of things that could happen. 570 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:57,960 Speaker 2: It's gonna make you feel increasingly ambivalent about day to 571 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,879 Speaker 2: day chores and tasks, you know what I mean. Do 572 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,320 Speaker 2: I need to make my bed or is the gamma 573 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,239 Speaker 2: ray burst coming this afternoon? 574 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:06,720 Speaker 4: Yeah? 575 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 3: Do IF really have to put these dishes away? Or 576 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 3: is the asteroid already on its way right? 577 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:16,480 Speaker 2: Yeah? Let me check the Sun for any mass ejections 578 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 2: before I write this email. 579 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,880 Speaker 3: I have not stopped checking Space weather every day because 580 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 3: of this, because of mass ejections. 581 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 2: So what we're saying is, again it's winning the lottery 582 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,400 Speaker 2: millions of times in a row. At any given moment, 583 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 2: something bad could happen from space that spells the end 584 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 2: of civilization. And this is not to say it's statistically inevitable. 585 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 2: I guess because we don't have infinite time. At some point, 586 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:56,239 Speaker 2: everybody's favorite star, this dude, I hate, the Sun is 587 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,880 Speaker 2: going to explode, right, has always been a volatile father 588 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 2: and will it will one day expand right in several 589 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:09,960 Speaker 2: billion years, and it will ruin and wreck the Goldilock 590 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,480 Speaker 2: zone of the planet on which all living things we 591 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,040 Speaker 2: know of reside. Shoot. 592 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:16,400 Speaker 3: So it seems like maybe we need to get on 593 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 3: this whole space exploration thing. 594 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what we should do, go to space. 595 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,720 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna make my bed, I'm not doing the dishes, 596 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,880 Speaker 2: forget this email. I got to go to space. So 597 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:35,680 Speaker 2: we know that the circumstances of extinction for humanity play 598 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 2: a big, big role in what would come after if 599 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:44,160 Speaker 2: there is, for instance, an absolute gobsmacker of an asteroid 600 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:50,480 Speaker 2: that obliterates the planet. That's very different from some kind 601 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:54,560 Speaker 2: of Stephen King esque scenario where humanity falls to a 602 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:58,040 Speaker 2: disease but the rest of the world continues, you know, 603 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:03,040 Speaker 2: the disappearance of humanity. It doesn't really reset evolution though, 604 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,000 Speaker 2: it just opens the game for new players. It's not 605 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,680 Speaker 2: like species that humans have driven to extinction are going 606 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:15,680 Speaker 2: to suddenly return. Right They're gone. They're very gone unless 607 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,960 Speaker 2: humans resurrect them. Shout out to the mammoth, the Dodo. 608 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,840 Speaker 2: What are some other things we should bring back? Shout 609 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:24,839 Speaker 2: out to Jurassic Park. 610 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,440 Speaker 3: Sorry, yeah, utah raptors, which I thought were for losci 611 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:29,120 Speaker 3: raptors for. 612 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 4: A long time, but no, they were Utah raptors. 613 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,319 Speaker 2: So I mean over time though. The good news is 614 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:40,839 Speaker 2: even if those things can't be brought back, something will 615 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 2: evolve to fulfill their ecological niche that empty parking space 616 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:51,400 Speaker 2: or whatever new niches exist. The sad thing, and I 617 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,719 Speaker 2: thought to you guys, because I know we all love animals, 618 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 2: the sad thing is that a lot of domesticated species 619 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,960 Speaker 2: would also probably go extinct without human supervision. 620 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, but in a real world situation where it's a 621 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,480 Speaker 3: disease or something that wipes out humanity. Because you know, 622 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:15,399 Speaker 3: another thing in that existential threats is that whole gain 623 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:19,040 Speaker 3: a function research that's happening right now in labs all 624 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,320 Speaker 3: around the world. Yeah, something like that happens, you would 625 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,200 Speaker 3: have pockets of humanity that would be able to survive 626 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,920 Speaker 3: even if you had ninety nine percent die off, right. 627 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:33,560 Speaker 2: Right, the Bunkers, the strongholds, the preppers, the billionaires, the bill. 628 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm thinking mostly the billionaires that show over their 629 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:40,200 Speaker 3: money doesn't really do it anymore, but you know they're 630 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:41,360 Speaker 3: alive New Zealand. 631 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:45,520 Speaker 2: Shout out Hawaii and shout out the people who work 632 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,319 Speaker 2: at the at these compounds, and shout out to the 633 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,120 Speaker 2: moment where they realize money is affictive thing. 634 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:57,120 Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, that's scary, but you know, at the 635 00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,520 Speaker 3: same time it I do think there would be version 636 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,239 Speaker 3: of humanity that would survive almost in every one of 637 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 3: these scenarios, but only for at least a time, like 638 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:06,920 Speaker 3: a bit. 639 00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:12,000 Speaker 2: You know, that's a question. Yeah, Like, I agree with 640 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:17,000 Speaker 2: you on the idea of pockets of survival, relic populations 641 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,560 Speaker 2: we would call them. And I also agree with you 642 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,360 Speaker 2: on the idea of a limited time window. You know, 643 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:29,920 Speaker 2: this would be where Noel would reference Fallout for instance, 644 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,479 Speaker 2: right Fallout and the Bunker's story is great also check 645 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,440 Speaker 2: out Did you ever see what was its? 646 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:37,600 Speaker 4: Horizon zero? 647 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,280 Speaker 3: Dawn Alloy one of the best characters ever created. 648 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I was thinking of Logan's run and I 649 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,719 Speaker 2: agree with you. I like to horizon. We know that 650 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,760 Speaker 2: wild animals that already kind of teamed up with humans, 651 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:55,920 Speaker 2: the animals that have learned to live in close human 652 00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,920 Speaker 2: settlements and urban environments, they're going to have a field 653 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:07,640 Speaker 2: at the beginning. Raccoons, coyote, pigeons, corvids, rats, foxes, badgers, 654 00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:12,719 Speaker 2: even what else. Oh, cockroaches, definitely, Yeah, they're not gonna 655 00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 2: have a bad day when humanity is gone. 656 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,560 Speaker 3: Is there a scenario where a cockroach has a bad day? Well, 657 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:22,040 Speaker 3: I guess yeah, yeah, there are some I suppose. Well, yeah, 658 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,799 Speaker 3: in general, cockroach is going to be fine. 659 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:29,919 Speaker 2: I just had this vision met of the old cybernetic 660 00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,960 Speaker 2: orcan man laying laying in his med bed or his 661 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,839 Speaker 2: hyperbaric chamber, And as soon as we said cockroaches are 662 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,360 Speaker 2: having a good day, his eyes open to the flash 663 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:47,239 Speaker 2: blue lasers. So anyway, shout out to you guys. Yeah, 664 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,440 Speaker 2: they'll flourish, these animals that are already acquainted with the 665 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,040 Speaker 2: ways of humans. They'll flourish in the wreckage of those 666 00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:58,200 Speaker 2: old cities as those cities crumble, and indeed they may 667 00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:03,360 Speaker 2: evolve into entirely new as time passes. I think it 668 00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,160 Speaker 2: applies to plants as well. I'm super interested in this. 669 00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,840 Speaker 5: What about all the creatures of the sea, Ben. 670 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, what are these new rulers going to look like? Yeah, 671 00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,799 Speaker 2: I mean we know the early days of a posthuman 672 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,279 Speaker 2: world are going to be rough, right again, depending on 673 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:25,920 Speaker 2: the circumstances of the murder or the extinction. We know that. 674 00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,239 Speaker 2: I love your point about the sea here. We know 675 00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:36,520 Speaker 2: that historically the last five mass extinction events have well, 676 00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,200 Speaker 2: any mass extinction, not even the great ones, just like 677 00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,880 Speaker 2: the regional, not as cool ones. They they tend to 678 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,040 Speaker 2: eliminate larger bodied. 679 00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:46,120 Speaker 4: Animals, makes sense. 680 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,279 Speaker 2: I mean, they require more food, they reproduce at a 681 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,440 Speaker 2: slower rate, they have lower populations, or tend to have 682 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:57,239 Speaker 2: lower populations. So it's the small guys. It's the meek 683 00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,879 Speaker 2: who eternally inherit the Earth. 684 00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,640 Speaker 3: God so much deeper than I thought it was when 685 00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,200 Speaker 3: I was just you know, reading my Bible all the time. 686 00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,680 Speaker 4: Like that makes so much sense. 687 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,480 Speaker 2: They nailed that one for sure, like ten to ten. 688 00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:16,120 Speaker 2: No notes that one is accurate on so many levels. 689 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:21,600 Speaker 2: The new apex predator posthuman is probably only going to 690 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:25,680 Speaker 2: ascend over a long period of time, millions of millions 691 00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,520 Speaker 2: and millions of years for the brute force hack of 692 00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,920 Speaker 2: evolution to hit on another winning lottery ticket. 693 00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,160 Speaker 3: Well, and what if it's an apex and predator like 694 00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:39,400 Speaker 3: us that isn't a traditional apex predator where it doesn't 695 00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:44,319 Speaker 3: use gnashing teeth and tearing claws to become the main 696 00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:45,480 Speaker 3: hunter predator. 697 00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,320 Speaker 5: It uses its nagging. 698 00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:51,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, the rule of the nerds right, and all the 699 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:57,200 Speaker 2: evolutionary drawbacks humans had to agree to for the power 700 00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:03,360 Speaker 2: to do tools and to teach intergenerationally. Rats are good candidate, 701 00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:08,399 Speaker 2: Rats smart, They eat everything. There's an awesome book that 702 00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:13,000 Speaker 2: Robert Lamb and I talk used to talk about pretty often. 703 00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:18,879 Speaker 2: It's named in a Burst of Creativity Rats, and it's amazing. 704 00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:23,840 Speaker 2: Their reproductive rate is off the freaking charts. They metaphorically 705 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:30,439 Speaker 2: and figuratively and literally have huge balls. It's possible that, 706 00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:34,200 Speaker 2: you know, posthuman, they would evolve to a larger size, 707 00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:40,440 Speaker 2: maybe even one day far into the future. One rat says, 708 00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,360 Speaker 2: why don't I walk on my back legs? 709 00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,799 Speaker 5: Why don't I teach these turtles how to be ninjas? 710 00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:52,120 Speaker 6: Yes, yes, okay, now I'm in the sold me. 711 00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,160 Speaker 2: I was on the fence, but now it has to happen. 712 00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,040 Speaker 2: I mean, also, I don't want to be a broken record. 713 00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:03,839 Speaker 2: Crows ravens, Yes, obviously their little brainiacs. They are also maniacs. 714 00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:07,480 Speaker 2: They might literally rule the roost. Those are examples from 715 00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,320 Speaker 2: the surface world. This is our setup for the ocean 716 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:14,880 Speaker 2: because we learn a rubric right, the defining traits for 717 00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:19,160 Speaker 2: the APEX main character life form after humans would be 718 00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:23,400 Speaker 2: something that can make tools, something that can harness natural phenomena, 719 00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:28,000 Speaker 2: can outcompete rivals, it can breed successfully, and it can 720 00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:34,359 Speaker 2: adapt to the shipwreck of the anthropescene, you know, surviving 721 00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,920 Speaker 2: contamination leftover from humans. That's one of the big ones. 722 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,960 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's major. You can't be a lightweight when 723 00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:43,440 Speaker 3: it comes to the microplastics. 724 00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:44,640 Speaker 4: That's important. 725 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, if you could learn to eat those, by the way, 726 00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:48,759 Speaker 2: tight tight. 727 00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:56,160 Speaker 7: Oh yeah, and hold the phone evolution, Hold the great 728 00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:01,920 Speaker 7: game ho telephone in our increasingly are fascinating exploration. 729 00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,799 Speaker 2: Matt Dylan, you and I were talking off air, and 730 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:07,040 Speaker 2: this has to be a two parter. 731 00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no way, uh, truth be told. We just 732 00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,200 Speaker 3: kind of kept talking and then looked at the time 733 00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,000 Speaker 3: and said, oh, whoops. 734 00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:20,799 Speaker 2: Yeah. We also we also totally flaked out of some 735 00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:24,160 Speaker 2: other stuff we were supposed to do and just said, 736 00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,280 Speaker 2: let's keep going Marketing. 737 00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,719 Speaker 3: Can wait? Okay, No, I'm just kidding Marketing. Thank you 738 00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:29,160 Speaker 3: so much for. 739 00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,240 Speaker 2: Shout out David. Shout out Ashley. 740 00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:36,280 Speaker 3: Seriously, if nobody knew that we were talking into mikes, 741 00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,160 Speaker 3: then nobody would know we're talking into mikes. 742 00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think we would know. I don't know 743 00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:41,640 Speaker 2: how plugged in we are anymore. 744 00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:43,760 Speaker 4: I'm just in my house right now. Okay. 745 00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:48,919 Speaker 2: It's just never revealed a specific location, Matt. It's also 746 00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:54,279 Speaker 2: it's also funny because when we get on this kind 747 00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:57,759 Speaker 2: of train of thought, even if we go and hang 748 00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,000 Speaker 2: out in person for something totally different, even if we're 749 00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:05,440 Speaker 2: at like Dave and Busters, the conversation will continue in 750 00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:09,320 Speaker 2: such a way that I hope is endearing to other people, 751 00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:12,400 Speaker 2: but might make us seem a little strange. 752 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:17,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, why don't you find us and tell us all 753 00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:18,560 Speaker 3: about what you think. 754 00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:19,920 Speaker 4: We're all over social media. 755 00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,280 Speaker 2: We're all over social media. Do some digging you will. 756 00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,279 Speaker 2: You will find us on your platform of choice. You 757 00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,520 Speaker 2: can also give us a call on a telephonic device. 758 00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:35,400 Speaker 3: Yes, our number is one eight three three std WYTK 759 00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,840 Speaker 3: give us a call, leave a voicemail, give yourself a 760 00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,759 Speaker 3: cool nickname. That's all you need to know. You got 761 00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:42,840 Speaker 3: three minutes. Say whatever you want to say. If you 762 00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,279 Speaker 3: want to reach out to us via email, you can 763 00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:45,879 Speaker 3: do that too. 764 00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,319 Speaker 2: We are the entities that read each piece of correspondence 765 00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,800 Speaker 2: we receive. Be well aware, yet unafraid. Sometimes the void 766 00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,879 Speaker 2: rights back. You want a cool random fact, hit us up. 767 00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,440 Speaker 2: You want our opinions on the funking Lodge. That's a 768 00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,600 Speaker 2: reference that will make sense in Part two. 769 00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:23,560 Speaker 6: Conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com. 770 00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:25,760 Speaker 3: Stuff they Don't Want You to Know is a production 771 00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:30,399 Speaker 3: of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, 772 00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:34,200 Speaker 3: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.