1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Ron Anian. If you're gonna do this job, do it right. 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: That's what this is about. And if you're not going 3 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: to do this job right, then get the hell out 4 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: of my industry. You're thinking it all, the Car Doctor. 5 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:20,920 Speaker 1: What's probably going on here is you probably have impending 6 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: coil failure. Welcome to the radio home of ron and 7 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: the Car Doctor. Since this is where car owners the 8 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: world overturned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair. 9 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up 10 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 1: the phone and call in. 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Um, if you're looking for 40 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: me during the course of the week, I'll try and 41 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: answer reaching every one of my emails. I do each 42 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: and every week, folks, I really do. So. If you've 43 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: got a problem or a question, need information, Ron at 44 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: Car Doctor Show dot com I think about technology I 45 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 1: have to enforce to it's it's it's the business I'm in. 46 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: I was reading a recent issue of a C Delco 47 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 1: News and it's titled Looking Ahead Forward Collision Alert Operation 48 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: and Settings. The f c A system Forward Collision Alert 49 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: is available on many late model GM vehicles, ranging from 50 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: Cadillac to Chevrolet, and is designed to help drivers avoid 51 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: or reduce the harm caused by front and crashes. When 52 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:42,959 Speaker 1: approaching a vehicle ahead much too quickly. The f c 53 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 1: A system warns driver with a red flashing alert and 54 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: rapid beeps. And I was thinking about this, and I said, hey, 55 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,239 Speaker 1: this is great, this is technology. Look at this. It's 56 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: it's gonna tell us if we're driving poorly. But do 57 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,080 Speaker 1: we need it? I'm wondering if it's a depend and 58 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: see thing. And I just wanted to bring this up. 59 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: You know, we spend way too much time on the phone, 60 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: way too much time texting, way too much time looking 61 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: at gps s, and we we spend way too much 62 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 1: I'm doing everything but driving, And I'm wondering if somehow 63 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 1: technology is making us more dependent and taking away the 64 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:27,959 Speaker 1: critical thinking skills and reducing our skill level in terms 65 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: of operating a vehicle safely. Are we going to become 66 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 1: more complacent? Well, you know, the camera didn't warn me 67 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: that there was a car in front of me slowing down, 68 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: so I wasn't paying attention. I was busy texting on 69 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: my phone. I had the car set on cruise in 70 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: the forward camera system didn't come on, and I just 71 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: let the cruise running. I was busy talking or I 72 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: looked behind me to see what the baby was doing, 73 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: and I had the accident. I'm sorry, I don't know. 74 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: I just wonder if technology is really all that it's 75 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: cracked up to be. And from the guy that has 76 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: to fix it every day, I wonder about it. But 77 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: now I'm starting to wonder. You know, his big brother 78 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: instilling himself within our our mists, so to speak. And UM, 79 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if I want that. 80 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: I don't know if I want a camera telling me 81 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: I'm driving badly. If I know I'm driving badly, then 82 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: I know I'm driving badly and I should really be responsible, 83 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: and um, you know, take responsibility for it and try 84 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 1: to fix it. Just just some thoughts so you know 85 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: your views and your comments are always appreciated. Send them 86 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: to me. Email Ron at Car Doctor show dot com. 87 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: By the way, this hour, we're gonna be giving away 88 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: an LMC truck gift card at twenty five dollar gift 89 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: certificate with either a hat or a T shirt. It's 90 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 1: a grab bag of sorts from the folks over at 91 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 1: LMC truck check them out at lmc truck dot com. 92 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: So we'll be giving that away to one lucky caller today, 93 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 1: and we encourage you, if you are a truck user, 94 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 1: get out to LMC truck dot com and um they're 95 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 1: looking for stories about your vehicles. These people are very 96 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: passionate about trucks and SUVs and the like, and they 97 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: want to hear your story and how it came to be, 98 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: whether it's new or old, so you can find more 99 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: if you're trying to restore or just keep that newer vehicle. 100 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 1: Going LMC truck dot com. The phones are lit up there, 101 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 1: backed up. Let's kick open the garage doors and welcome 102 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 1: Chris from Bergenfield, New Jersey. Some comments and thoughts about 103 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: alternator problems on the Volkswagen Chris, Welcome to the Car Doctor, Sir. 104 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: How can I help? I called it? I called you 105 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: about a year ago, and I had the serpentine belt 106 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: replaced on it, and this was this was the way 107 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: before that, and the car started squealing and the mechanics 108 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: said it was atentioner, right, the tensioner was replaced, it 109 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: still kept doing it. I took it to another mechanic. 110 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: He replaced attention er. It's still kept doing it. And 111 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: I called you and and and he said he wasn't 112 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 1: sure what it was why it was squealing, which I 113 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 1: guess as if you're a good mechanic, you should be 114 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: able to find that out. And you said it very 115 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 1: well could be the alternator bearing in it. So I 116 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 1: told him just replace that, and he replaced it. Technically 117 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: the alternators working, but um, it still kept doing it. 118 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: I also replaced the power steering pump, even though the 119 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 1: only problem problem I was having was with the noise 120 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 1: when I was trying to park. I wasn't having any 121 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: stress steering or anything. But I replace I replace it anyway, 122 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 1: for you know, just to waste some money. Meanwhile, sometimes 123 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 1: wasting that money makes you feel good though, because at 124 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: least you know you tried. Yeah, but it's a it's 125 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: a diesel, and there's a there's a mechanic buying me 126 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 1: who has a sign outside. They specialized in diesel, so 127 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: I went over there. Of course, a timing belt is 128 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 1: just about time. I have it right around a hundred 129 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: thousand on it. Just curious on what it would cost 130 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: if if they could be a little less than the dealer. 131 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 1: And I said, hin, you well, just figure out what's 132 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: what's going on with the noise on this thing. So 133 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: he said it's the alternator and he swapped it out. 134 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: And if you look for the prices of alternators, they vary. 135 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: And he was saying, don't buy the junk parts from 136 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: some of these friend tries stores. He says, he will 137 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: not buy parts from them. And I saw them going 138 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: from like one fifty too. Well, he bought the expensive one. 139 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: It is silent along so it was a bad new alternator. Yeah, 140 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: technically it works, but it was just noisy. Yeah. And 141 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: he told me to take it back to the first 142 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: mechanic and tell him that he should be able to 143 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: get his money back for it. Well, yeah, and you 144 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: know I say this the suppliers all the time. You know, 145 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: they come in. They want me to buy the cheaper line, 146 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: They want me to buy the less expensive part. Because 147 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: you know they I think their margins are higher because 148 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: they're cheaper, and there's they're they're more likely to sell 149 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: more of those. Let's face it, more people are probably 150 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: buying cheap parts today than they are buying expensive ones, 151 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: and they're just trying to make a number. Um. But 152 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: you know, we're, like I've been saying, I've been saying 153 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: this for a while, Chris, We're in a parts race 154 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: to the bottom. And you know, it's all about how 155 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: cheap can we make something, how much money can we 156 00:07:58,280 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: make on and how much money can we steal from 157 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: the American public but not produce a product that works. 158 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: And it's a dangerous line and it's a dangerous way 159 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: of thinking. And you're just gonna see more and more 160 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: of it that it's a lot like our society. I 161 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: really believe that. You know, you see the lines of 162 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: the haves and the have nots increasing, You're gonna see 163 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: the lines of good parts and bad parts increasing, as 164 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: it's gonna become very decisive. If you want good parts, 165 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: it's it's four times the amount. If you want to 166 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: just get by with noisy, crummy parts that kind of 167 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: work but maybe not last as long as they should. Well, 168 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 1: it's this, and it's it's it's gonna be a problem. 169 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: It is, But there you go, new never ever worked. 170 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 1: I couldn't say it any better. Yep. Yeah, and and 171 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 1: he would. And the one mechanic who brought that part, 172 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: he was telling me that he has gotten bad water 173 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: pumps and he said the whole deals a wash. He says, 174 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: has got to do the whole thing over again. Well, 175 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: and the part I don't get is, you know, one 176 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: of the one of the biggest steaks mechanics make is 177 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: they don't value their time, so they'll attempt to sell 178 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 1: their customer a cheaper job. Hey, I can be cheaper 179 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: than the next guy, because I don't want you to 180 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:13,839 Speaker 1: come in here based on my talent. I want you 181 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: to come in here based on my price. And because 182 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 1: of that, he buys the cheaper parts. So the parts 183 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 1: house think it's okay to sell the cheaper part, and 184 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: they just perpetuate the problem. You know. In ight six, 185 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: I'll take you guys back real quick for a history lesson. 186 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: In six, general motors came out with touch screen dashboards. 187 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: Does anybody remember this? Buick Rivieras and pontiacts and the 188 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 1: like they all had touch screen dashboards, crt screen dashboards. 189 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: They were terrible. They were so bad because people were 190 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 1: people were having accidents. They're driving along, they want to 191 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: change the radio station or the temperature control. They'd looked down, 192 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 1: they'd hit the touch screen and there there, there they 193 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: would be. It would be such distract acted driving. They 194 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: were losing people just hitting cars or hitting trees. Literally 195 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: to the point that I remember when the model year 196 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: came to an end, n the leftovers and the dealer lots, 197 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: it just looked like they had new cars to sell, 198 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: but it was all the ones they were trying to 199 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: return and they couldn't get rid of that. They had 200 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: to take off the line because the eight sevens were 201 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 1: coming out. And my point is if more people got 202 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 1: together and said enough, we're not buying any more junk parts, 203 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 1: you would see a major change in the in the 204 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: in the in the shift in the way that we 205 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: approach they to repair in this country, and the way 206 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: people would think. And um, you know, I still have 207 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: hope for humanity, Chris, I really do. I think if 208 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: you show them the right way, I think they will 209 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: just go tend to right and get the cheaper part 210 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: and then it's a problem. And I just I think 211 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: if you show people the right way, you know, teach 212 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: a man to fish, and he'll he'll feed himself forever. 213 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: And um, you know, it just it just doesn't make 214 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: any sense. Chris, Well, I'm glad you know. And I 215 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: don't say that, I don't. You know, it's nice to 216 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 1: get confirmation, but I'm glad it worked out for you, 217 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: and um, you know, I just it was the only 218 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: logical I thought that went through my head at the time. 219 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: And sometimes you just gotta stick to your guns. Listen, 220 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: how do you think I feel. I'll diagnose a problem 221 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:22,599 Speaker 1: in the shop and I'll buy a good part, and 222 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: every once in a while I get a bad new 223 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 1: good part. It's got to be the part, and it'll 224 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: tear me up for two days, and I'll prove it 225 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: seven different ways. It's a bad new part that's top 226 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: of the line best there is. Finally I break down, 227 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: I order another one, and I was right. It was 228 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: a bad new good part. Doesn't happen that often, doesn't 229 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: happen nearly with the with the you know commonality of 230 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: of older parts, but the or the cheaper parts. But 231 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: it does happen Chris, I gotta go. The clock's gonna 232 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 1: take me. I appreciate the call, sir. Good luck to 233 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: you and yours and uh we thank you for being 234 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: a listener. I'm running any in the Car Doctor. We 235 00:11:56,559 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: are back right after this Car Doctor at eight five 236 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:35,439 Speaker 1: zero zero zero, The Car Doctor seven toll free number. 237 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: That number is there for you. If this radio show 238 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: is not on the air, World Live Saturday afternoons across 239 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: this great country of ours on the network Saturday afternoons 240 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: two to four pm Eastern time. 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And um I I learned 250 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: from you just as much as you learned from me. 251 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: Trust me, um I wouldn't be doing this. Well, let's 252 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: see it's coming up on twenty five years this January, 253 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 1: I think coming up January twenty five years of Car 254 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: Doctor radio. So time just moves on. I never thought 255 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: i'd see that day. So let's go forward. Let's get 256 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 1: over and talk to David in Genesee, Idaho with some 257 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: questions about a GMC suburban. David, Welcome to the Car Doctor, sir. 258 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: How can I help? Well, thanks for real quickly to 259 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: talk to you. Oh thank you, sir. You've helped me 260 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: solve a number of problems through the years just by 261 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: listening to your show. But anyway, I have two three 262 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: quarter tons of suburbans three and the breaks have always 263 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: been great, and on the ninety nine they've always been poor. 264 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: I bought the ninety nine years. I can't say what 265 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: they were like new, But THEE has a little different 266 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: style A B S system on it, and I've read 267 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: a lot of negative things about that particular A B 268 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 1: S system on the internet, and of course you know 269 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: who knows how accurate that is. But I'm actually the 270 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: point where I'm thinking about bypassing the A B S 271 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: unit and UH installing an adjustable proportioning valve just so 272 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: I have regular brakes. The brakes are just that bad 273 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: on it. I can go out and there's no no codes. 274 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: I can go out in my pasture where I can 275 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: hit the brakes hard and you can hear the abs working. 276 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: The front wheels you know, you can won't won't slide, 277 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: You can hear it working. But the back brakes just 278 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: don't seem to ever do very much. And I wondered 279 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: if that was just the nature of that particular A 280 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: B S system, or if I replaced it with a 281 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: new one would work, okay? Or what? It's always nice 282 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: to try and design something the way you want, all right, 283 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: I mean, let's start the conversation there. This is a 284 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: big block truck, David. So it's nose heavy, full floating 285 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: rear end. It has a thirteen inch rear brake shoes 286 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: three and a half inches wide, massive brake shoes. Oh yeah, 287 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: it's it's a massive brake system. I wonder what would happen? 288 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: Is the A B S light on on the dashboard? Okay? 289 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: So I wonder what would happen if we created a problem, 290 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: like unplugged the wheel speed sensor. Turn, It'll turn on 291 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: the A B S light and give you functional normal breaks. 292 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: I wonder I actually had read about that, and I 293 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: did that last summer. I guess it was and it 294 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: seemed like it was a little better, but it's still 295 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: like a soft pedal feel. And I've read that it's 296 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: hard to get the air out of the A B 297 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: S system if you get air in there. So I 298 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: took it to my local brake slash transformation shop and 299 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: they had snap on scan tool to activate the a 300 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: BS right because at the bubbles will get trapped in there. 301 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: That's a problem, right, And that may have helped minimally, 302 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: but it's still you know, the suburban. The brake pedals 303 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: fur may mean you hit it and you've got breaks. 304 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: And this I've actually in a couple of times when 305 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: I was trying to stop quick push the pedal clear 306 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: to the floor. Is the nine nine A hydroboost system, David? 307 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: Is it? They both are? Um? You know, I'm kind 308 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: of tempted to try and diagnose the before I make 309 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: changes to it. I mean, I'm sure you can. I'm 310 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: sure you can bypass the brakes and make it conventional, 311 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: and I would just hate to see you do that 312 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: and then end up with, you know, the same crummy 313 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: brake pedal, so to speak. So you know, what I 314 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: want to know is do we have do we have 315 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: an issue with the master or is the problem in 316 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: the A B S controller itself? Ultimately, yeah, then you 317 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: know a two or twenty thousand miles, maybe you do 318 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: come out with a way to bypass it. So what 319 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: I'll actually do is I will at times, I will 320 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:05,400 Speaker 1: I will make up plugs, and I've got an assortment 321 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: of brake line plugs, different sizes, different fittings. Where I've 322 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: i've I've peaned over and and sweated the ends shut. 323 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: Or I'll find brass plugs that fit the master, and 324 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: I'll just block off the master and step on the 325 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: brake pedal. Oh got you right, Okay, it's got to 326 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,640 Speaker 1: be right there. If it's not right there, i've got 327 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: a bad master, right. And I did change the master 328 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 1: cylinder at one point with no obvious change. And of 329 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: course I know new parts sometimes aren't good either, but 330 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 1: that's a good I hadn't tried that, and that's something 331 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: I will try. And I don't mind spending the money 332 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: to replace the A B S S. If somebody could 333 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 1: tell me, yeah, when you're done, you're going to have 334 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: really good breaks. I just haven't talked to anybody who 335 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 1: has been able to give me any confidence that that 336 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: would happen. Right. And then the other question I've got 337 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: is if you apply the parking break and pump the 338 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 1: pedal a couple of times, does that change it? If 339 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:03,719 Speaker 1: I crimp off the brake hodes to the rear brakes, 340 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:07,400 Speaker 1: does that change it? Where does the mush for lack 341 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:11,679 Speaker 1: of a better way to put it occur. And you 342 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: know that's really what you've got to start to diagnose, David. 343 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: The clock is gonna take me. 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Let's get over and talk 372 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: to Roger speaking of talking in bang or mean two 373 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: thousand four Jeep Wrangler with some questions and problems. Roger, 374 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Car Doctor, sir. How can I help? Oh? Yes, sir, 375 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: um I bought this Wrangler like three months ago, so 376 00:19:59,880 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: it's a fairly new vehicle to me, and UH. Well, 377 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:04,199 Speaker 1: then about a couple of weeks after I bought it, 378 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: I started getting some hesitation in the driving, and uh, 379 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 1: the it started to go to the point where it 380 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: wouldn't shift very well, and they would do this for 381 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 1: a short period of time and then come back to normal. 382 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: And when I came back to normal to break the 383 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: engine lake would come on, and then the engine LA 384 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: would stay on for a little while and then go 385 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 1: back out. Uh. I called the dealer, took it back 386 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: to the dealer, and he looked at it and couldn't 387 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: find anything wrong with it, and he ultimately told me 388 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: he changed out a couple of wires going to a 389 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,439 Speaker 1: module and I didn't tell me which one, but he 390 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 1: didn't charge me anything, so I didn't really ask, and 391 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: I drove it home. UH drove fine for a while 392 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: another week or so, and then did it again. So 393 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: I called the dealer up and made an appointment for 394 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: the week after that. And when I was getting ready 395 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: to go to that next appointment, I realized that it 396 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: was doing it every time I refilled it and filled 397 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 1: it up with a gas So when I got there, 398 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: I told the deal of that, and he took it 399 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: in and looked at it again. I still couldn't find 400 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 1: anything wrong with it, so he went and filled it 401 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: up with gas and drove it around a bit. Uh. 402 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: He didn't have any issues, so he's like, well, take 403 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: it home, there's nothing wrong with it. Um. I said, well, 404 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna stick around the area for a little while 405 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: longer and just drive around and see if it happens. 406 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: And it did within five minutes after it left. So 407 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: I went back to him again and uh, after about 408 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:18,880 Speaker 1: a couple of minutes, he came back out and said, 409 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: my mechanic thinks it's the transmission control module and and 410 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: I said okay, And I said, well, why did it 411 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:29,919 Speaker 1: do it when I'm gassing up when I fill it 412 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 1: up with gas? And he looked at me and he said, 413 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 1: but I don't know. But he said that we can 414 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: fix it, change it out for you, but it's not 415 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 1: under warranty, so you have to pay for it. And 416 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 1: I said, well, let's just hold off on that a 417 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 1: little bit, um, because it didn't make sense to me 418 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: that it would only do it if it's a transmission issue, 419 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:45,679 Speaker 1: would only do it when it's full of gas. And 420 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: my own logical thinking was that if if it's doing 421 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 1: it when I filled up a gas or something to 422 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: do with the fuel of a gas tank. UM, yeah, 423 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, you know, I'm thinking a gallon of 424 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: gas is seven and a half pounds. I'm thinking it 425 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,360 Speaker 1: has something to do with the weight I think we're 426 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,199 Speaker 1: I think we're displacing something moving something. Uh you know, 427 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: but yeah, if it's consistently that it is, you know, 428 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: it's only there with a full tank or or putting 429 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 1: more than three quarters of a tank of fuel in, 430 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: it creates the problem. You know, We've got to start 431 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 1: to think in terms of is there a wiring harness 432 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,120 Speaker 1: nearbys or something on top of the tank that makes 433 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: the tank bulges there? You know what is it about that? 434 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:30,199 Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, you would have been a good diagnostician, 435 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,679 Speaker 1: Um Roger in that in that sense that UM, you know, 436 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 1: you've got to look for cause and effect, and you know, 437 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: understanding how something works generally leads you to fixing it. 438 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 1: So my attack plan if I was looking at this now, 439 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 1: the trans control module on this UM has power on 440 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: pins eleven and fifty six and grounds and ground on 441 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: pins fifty three and fifty seven. And I want to 442 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: make sure I've got ground where I'm supposed to have ground, 443 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: and power where I'm supposed to have power. And uh, 444 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 1: you know, something's putting this trans control module into fault mode. 445 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: Something's putting it or making it go to sleep. And 446 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,440 Speaker 1: those are the things that I would want to say. Um, 447 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 1: you know, I would also take a look at pin eight. 448 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: I believe it's Pin eight, and just make sure there's 449 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: no voltage on Pin eight. There has to be less 450 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 1: than a hundred milli volts. And if all that checks out, 451 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: and yet this trans control module doesn't communicate, And I'd 452 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: love to have a scan tool on it and just 453 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: dial up the trans module. Um you know, think of 454 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 1: it like this. You dial a phone, right, and it 455 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: rings on the other end, and somebody answers, Well, you know, 456 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: when you plug in a scan tool and you start 457 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 1: to look at all the modules on the vehicle, you're 458 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 1: just dialing a phone. You're just you know, you're ringing 459 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: the engine controller, the trans controller, the body controller, and 460 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 1: so on. If you dial the trans controller and it's 461 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: got powering ground and it's other inputs are correct and 462 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 1: it doesn't answer, it's bad. It's a bad phone, so 463 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,400 Speaker 1: you know we can prove it. I mean, there's there's 464 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 1: ways to go about this. I am just suspicious from 465 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: the sounds of this. Something here strikes me like you're 466 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: gonna find something in wiring. I don't know that this 467 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: is is UM is going to be a module, but 468 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,120 Speaker 1: this will verify it. I would just be I would 469 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: just be mindful any add on accessories, any fact or 470 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: any aftermarket alarms or aftermarket stereo or anything like that. No, 471 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 1: the stereo is all factor. The only aftermarket stuff that 472 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 1: I put in as the speakers themselves. And did you 473 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 1: have a problem prior to the speaker installation or ever since? Uh? Yeah, 474 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,640 Speaker 1: it was prior to the speaker Okay, okay, And even 475 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: if it was ever since, I would still But just 476 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: you know, it's always good to try. And I always 477 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: try and think outside the box. When I've got one 478 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: dog in me like this, you know, I try to 479 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: look at it on if I don't fix it, what's 480 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: the next guy gonna look at? And that usually gets 481 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: me to fix it. Um. And you know, if I 482 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: try this and that didn't work, what would be the 483 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:07,640 Speaker 1: next thing I'd go look at? And it's but you've 484 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,400 Speaker 1: got some basic testing here. They've got some basic testing here. 485 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: It doesn't sound like they gave it a long enough diagnosis. 486 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 1: You know. It's it's when did it happen? About a 487 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: week ago? We had a car, a jeep. We had 488 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: a jeep toed into the shop a week ago, a 489 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:25,439 Speaker 1: week and a half ago, and the girl was from Kansas. 490 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: I think I talked about this last week and the 491 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: tow truck driver committ and he said, it sounds like 492 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 1: a fuel pump. And I looked at him and I said, yeah, 493 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 1: what does it bad? Fuel pump? Sound like like, I 494 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: don't know, fuel pump if it was bad, could make 495 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 1: any noise. And you know he was basing that on. 496 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:45,880 Speaker 1: He would crank. He cranked the engine and it didn't start. Well, 497 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: let me tell you something. If you crank an engine 498 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 1: and it doesn't start, could be spark, could be fuel, 499 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 1: could be a slew of things in the case of 500 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: that gee. But it was a bad PCM, not providing 501 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: ground to the coil, not creating spark. So you know, 502 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 1: the service manager coming out and saying, my technician thinks 503 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: it's a trans control module. Yeah I don't think let's 504 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 1: diagnose it. Yeah, yeah, let's let's diagnose it. Let's look 505 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: up a scan tool. Can we can we call that 506 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 1: module on the scan tool and talk to it. That's 507 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: what we want to know, all right, So you let 508 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 1: me know what else I can do for you, Roger, 509 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: you need me during the week, Ron at Car Doctor 510 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,640 Speaker 1: Show dot com, shoot me an email. Alright, Sorry, good 511 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: luck to you. Well, listen, it's it's it's just basic. 512 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 1: You know. I hate it sounds like it feels like 513 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 1: I think it is. Listen, I'm not saying in every diagnosis, 514 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: I get down to the nitty gritty and I'm down, 515 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 1: and you know, I'll get you in tile in some cases, 516 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,120 Speaker 1: and it's a gut call because guts still fixed cars 517 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: and it still takes. Yeah, you know it just it 518 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,360 Speaker 1: seems like we're going in this direction. I had um 519 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 1: I had a ninety eight Toyota Camera this week, four 520 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: cylinder that had a lean fuel condition. You read the 521 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: trouble chart for a P zero one seven one and 522 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,679 Speaker 1: a lean fuel code on that car, and then you 523 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 1: start reading from the relational databases that I subscribe to, 524 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,360 Speaker 1: and you know, you take some time and do the research, 525 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: and each and every one of them says there's no 526 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 1: way to accurately test the year fuel ratio sensor in 527 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 1: this Toyota without and they, you know, we get out 528 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:31,120 Speaker 1: scopes and equipment to contract Man Space Flight. You get 529 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,679 Speaker 1: to that point where you're in theentile put an air 530 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: fuel ratio sensor in the fifteen year old hundred and 531 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: sixty thousand mile car and while all the car is fixed. Yeah, 532 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 1: there's times you make that call. But on a jeep 533 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: that's got you know, mileage, that's not really crazy here, 534 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: and we think it's a trans control module. Yeah, let's 535 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 1: do some power on ground testing and let's see if 536 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 1: that component wakes up when we talk to it. Five 537 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: zero nine zero zero. I'm Ron Aady in the car Doctor, 538 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 1: and I'm back right after this. You'll get in my car. 539 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 1: We'll get my call. Welcome bath Ny in the car. 540 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 1: The phone numbers eight five five five six zero nine 541 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 1: zero zero, the Car Doctor hot line. You call that 542 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: number anytime day or night. If we're not live on 543 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: the air, which is Saturday afternoons to the four pm 544 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: Eastern time Fast Harry, our executive producer, will respond to 545 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 1: your call and put you in the queue and get 546 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: you up here on are and we can talk about 547 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: it on live radio across the network. Let's get over 548 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 1: the line to talk to Tom Brooke, Haveven, New York, 549 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: two thousand four, Nissan Moreno and some questions that are 550 00:28:58,120 --> 00:28:59,959 Speaker 1: going on here with exhaust. Tom. Welcome to the car, 551 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: Dr Sir, how can I help? Hey? Well are you? Yeah? 552 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: From from Percaven. I got a really nice Nissan Morano. 553 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 1: I mean I love to drive it like daughters drive it. 554 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: But since at first it was just a like a 555 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: muffling noise coming from the engine, and as the car 556 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: got hot, it would swim it down and then as 557 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 1: the here went by. Now when you started, it sounds 558 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 1: really bad from the outside. You hear like the you know, 559 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 1: the blow sound, but it's not coming from the back 560 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: or the center of the car. It's coming from the 561 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: engine from BA and uh, you know, it's embarrassing. So 562 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: I feel it's a flange or a piece of the 563 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: pipe that's corrolla or something. But yeah, it is this 564 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: an all wheel drive? Tom? Yeah? Yeah, I haven't seen 565 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: too many problems with the bolts themselves, but the manifolds 566 00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: do crack and that becomes a allans So you want 567 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: to take a look at that. One of the biggest 568 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: areas and one of the biggest cautions I have when 569 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: I'm doing dealing with moranos is the front catalytic converter. 570 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, the rear cat where it bolts up to 571 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: the rear manifold. I don't I don't know why they 572 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: did this, but the studs that hold that cat up 573 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: are titanium. Well there isn't too much they can drill 574 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 1: titanium successfully at the shop level. And if you break 575 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: one of those studs off trying to remove the cat 576 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 1: to get the manifold off, oh boy, is that a 577 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: fun afternoon. So you know, just just you know, hopefully 578 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: your mechanic is is cautious enough that once he diagnoses this, 579 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 1: if this really is a manifold leak um or anything really, 580 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: even if the flange gasket at the cat to the 581 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: manifold is leaking anything that requires that cat to be removed, 582 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: just be just be cautious, because those studs are titanium, 583 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: and they take a little bit of work and some 584 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: you some good rust penetrant and let them soak and 585 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 1: work and back and forth, and just be patient and 586 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 1: they should come out. Because you know, I have had 587 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: them break once in a blue moon, and they are tough. 588 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: At that point, it's it becomes it becomes a real 589 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 1: problem to deal with. Okay, So you're saying the exhaust 590 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: system actually comes out of the engine, exhaust out of 591 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 1: the engine manifolds and it goes through converter, right, Well, yeah, 592 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 1: you've got you've got manifold catalytic converter and then exhaust itself. Now, 593 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: the pipes themselves are pretty solid. The pipes are stainless 594 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 1: on that vehicle from the factory. What usually leaks is 595 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 1: the flange gaskets wherever the couplings come together. But the 596 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: most common problematic area number one is exhaust manifolds cracked. 597 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 1: That's at the cylinder head itself. And if you think 598 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: the leak is in the back, that's where you know, 599 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 1: that's probably the best guess. I would take a mechanic 600 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: stethoscope and listen in when it's doing this, but if 601 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: it's if it's behind that, and what I typically do 602 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: in a case like this, I'll start the car up, 603 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 1: put it up in the air, get underneath it running 604 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: and I'll listen with a mechanics stethoscope. You know where 605 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 1: at what point in the system is at the loudest. 606 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 1: My my caution to you is if the catalytic converter 607 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 1: has to come off, those studs are titanium, and they 608 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: lock onto the nuts or the nuts lock onto the 609 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: studs tighter than than you know, the banker trying to 610 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 1: hang onto the mortgage that you don't want to pay. 611 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: If you get my analogy, Um, it's tough, and that 612 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: was a bad analogy you. I'll have to work on 613 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: that for next week. But um, my my point is 614 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 1: that it's just it just becomes difficult, and you just 615 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: want to be cautious doing it on a colder engine 616 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 1: with some penetrant and a little bit of patients. In 617 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: some cases, a lot of patients will benefit you a 618 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: great deal because titanium is not easily drilled or handled 619 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: in the shop at the shop level, and you'll, you'll, you'll, 620 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: you'll spend most of the afternoon dulling drill bits, not 621 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: just the regular mechanics. So they can diagnosis. But I 622 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 1: think I can look for the leak myself because I 623 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: have one of those, and then at least you know 624 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 1: if what they're telling you is correct. Yeah, but I'll 625 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: make sure and I understand if they do, say, I'll 626 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 1: ask them for the procedure and see if they if 627 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 1: they have to take those bolts out, I just might 628 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 1: let it go and just drive. Well. Ask him, ask him, 629 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 1: ask him what the odds are of getting those bolts 630 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: out and what sort of problems do they have? And 631 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: see what kind of answer you get. They may say, yeah, 632 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 1: we handle it all day long, but they should come 633 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 1: back and say something with regard to they're either titanium 634 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: or you. Oh, they're tough to get to, but our 635 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 1: technicians are trained to handle it and uh, you know, 636 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 1: kind of take it from there. So good luck to you, 637 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 1: Tom and um happy motoring. I'm running hitting in the 638 00:33:46,840 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 1: card Doctor back right after this Welcome back run and 639 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,839 Speaker 1: the car Doctor U time for a little fun. By 640 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 1: the way, thanks for joining us this hour. We've been 641 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 1: challenged and did until the boys this yet I'm telling 642 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,360 Speaker 1: them now is they're looking at me through the studio glass. 643 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: We've been challenged. Bobby Likes Bobby like his car clinic 644 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 1: in support of the Fallen Patriots Foundation. Uh, Bobby has 645 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,240 Speaker 1: put a Facebook challenge up on his page. He's challenged 646 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 1: us to a ten push up challenge. We're gonna take 647 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,759 Speaker 1: him up on that. Well, at least I am. So 648 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 1: sometime this week I'll have Tom or Fast Harry videotaped 649 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,319 Speaker 1: me doing my ten push ups and up on our 650 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 1: Facebook page run A Ninny and the car Doctor and 651 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it here and now I haven't done 652 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 1: it in a while, but I still think I can 653 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 1: do my bare knuckle push up. So I'm thinking I 654 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 1: can still do ten push ups on my knuckles. We're 655 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,239 Speaker 1: gonna up. Yeah, we can laugh, but let's see what 656 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,799 Speaker 1: happens because we're planning and laughing. Yeah, yeah we can. 657 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: I still think I can do this. I still think 658 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,400 Speaker 1: I can do my ten push ups on my knuckles, 659 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 1: and uh, I think I can do more than that, 660 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 1: but we'll we'll go for ten. It's been a while, 661 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 1: um so, but um a very worthy cause. You can 662 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,799 Speaker 1: find more information at Fallen Patriots dot org and um 663 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 1: we've made the connection courtesy of our relationship with the 664 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 1: folks over at K and N kan filters dot com. 665 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 1: Uh Kayan Filters has gotten behind the Fallen Patriots. It's 666 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:33,319 Speaker 1: for a great cause for the children of fallen uh 667 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,399 Speaker 1: you know, soldiers, armed forces and so forth. So as 668 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 1: as the father of a soldier. I can tell you 669 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,759 Speaker 1: that um very worthwhile cause something near and dear to 670 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 1: my heart. So we'll get that up there on Facebook 671 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,320 Speaker 1: this week, and let's see you. Can the car doctor 672 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,319 Speaker 1: do ten bare knuckle push ups. I don't know, I'm 673 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 1: getting kind of old, but I'm sure I'll find something 674 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,879 Speaker 1: to inspire me to go up and down, up and down. Hey. 675 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 1: Until the next time, same bat time, same bat channel. 676 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 1: I'm ronan any in the Card Doctor. The mechanics aren't expensive, 677 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 1: they're priceless. See you