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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold cast in Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Drive. I'm Dale Lolli. He is the

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson and Matt we get some Steelers news on Monday.

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Speaker 2: This being Tuesday. We couldn't tape yesterday because of some

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Speaker 2: personal issues. But we're back and we'll go Wednesday and

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Speaker 2: Friday again this week. But Steelers find out they get

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Speaker 2: the news that Cam Sutton has been suspended the first

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Speaker 2: eight games of the twenty twenty four season for his

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Speaker 2: domestic abuse incident while member of the Detroit Lions. That

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Speaker 2: of course led to his release by the Lions. And

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Speaker 2: this is not surprising that the Steelers understood that when

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Speaker 2: they signed him, that you know, there would be some

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Speaker 2: kind of league punishment coming on. You know. The eight

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Speaker 2: games is I have no idea whether they expected eight,

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Speaker 2: whether they expected fewer than that, but I believe eight

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Speaker 2: was the the number that you could generally get for

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Speaker 2: a domestic abuse situation like.

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Speaker 3: That interpreted, that's the max, you know, I mean, so

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Speaker 3: that was worst case scenario. Do you know if there's

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Speaker 3: any could he appeal, and.

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Speaker 2: He's already said he's not going to. I think he

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Speaker 2: just wants to put this whole thing behind him.

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Speaker 3: That makes sense.

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Speaker 2: And I've heard people, well, they shouldn't have signed him,

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Speaker 2: you know they did. This has been a you know,

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Speaker 2: a one time incident. They know him, you know, he

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Speaker 2: was a member of their team. Not at all, but

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Speaker 2: you know, he spent six years here in Pittsburgh. They

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Speaker 2: know the player, they know the person. They did extensive

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Speaker 2: background checks on him prior to drafting him.

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Speaker 3: They were glowing. Yeah, I mean, and his time here

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Speaker 3: was strong, you know.

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Speaker 2: So you know, it is what it is. You know,

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Speaker 2: he he did what he did, and now he's gonna

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Speaker 2: be fan for it. Yeah, now he's gonna pay for it.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I just think he wants to put

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Speaker 2: this behind him. It's an unfortunate incident, but they understood that,

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Speaker 2: you know, this was gonna happen. That's why he signed

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Speaker 2: a league minimum deal.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you weren't getting even a whole you know, season

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Speaker 3: out of him right when you signed it. So to

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Speaker 3: focus on football, they're gonna be half a season without him.

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Speaker 3: Presumably when he comes back, he should walk right into

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Speaker 3: the slot role. Unless unless one of the other guys

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Speaker 3: really good in the process, because someone's gonna handle it

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Speaker 3: between now and then. And that to me is now

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Speaker 3: the question, which was the exact same question before he

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Speaker 3: was signed, you know, I mean nothing changed from that perspective,

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Speaker 3: still just football wise, if you can get eight games

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Speaker 3: or nine games and playoffs out of him, that might

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Speaker 3: be a really good signing for what you pay for him.

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Speaker 3: Fresh legs show up mid season and he takes over

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Speaker 3: a position that maybe porters her. Maybe he's a starting

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Speaker 3: out the guy, maybe they haven't found a suitable slot.

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Speaker 3: But I also also think is interesting is how will

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Speaker 3: they handle his preseason and reps in La trope. I mean,

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Speaker 3: you could take the argument of run him into the

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Speaker 3: ground if he gets heard or something he can be

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Speaker 3: he's got two months to recover, or man, we need

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Speaker 3: those reps to figure out who's going to do your

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Speaker 2: They got to figure out the reps, you know, for

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Speaker 2: the other guys. And I keep hearing people well talk

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Speaker 2: about Corey Trice. Corey Trice is not going to be

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Speaker 2: the slot cornerback folks. No, no, And to be quite frank,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. It would be nice if Corey Trice

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Speaker 2: works out absolutely, but he was a seventh round draft pick. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: let's not anoint him as that. You know that he's

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Speaker 2: got a lot to sh to prove. He missed his

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Speaker 2: entire rookie year. Yeah, he's almost in the same situation

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Speaker 2: that Calvin Austin was in the previous year. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 2: miss your entire year. Did he show some flashes, you know,

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Speaker 2: in the offseas program, yes, but it was the off

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Speaker 3: You know, to me, it was buzz before he got

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Speaker 2: But that's two years ago, now, two years ago now,

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Speaker 2: and quick. You know, to me, I'm just as intrigued,

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Speaker 2: if not more intrigued, by Darius Rush.

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Speaker 3: Me too, me too. I mean, he was drafted ahead

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Speaker 3: of Trice, three rounds ahead, rounds ahead of him, whether

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Speaker 3: even if we just go back to you and I

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Speaker 3: doing mock drafts, the million that we did that year.

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Speaker 3: We liked Rush better than Trice. Yeah, you know, we

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Speaker 3: drafted him earlier than Trice. I also think you throw

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Speaker 2: I mean Ryan Watts, Watts.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's three guys there with size and ability.

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Speaker 3: If one hits in any capacity, it's a home run,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Like people are looking at

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Speaker 3: him like, oh, we got three talented young guys, like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: you do. But the fact that I mean, they may

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Speaker 2: Right, right, And I think that the guy, like everybody's

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Speaker 2: talking about Beanie Wells and that's that's fine. I mean

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Speaker 2: he's or Beanie Bishop, I'm sorry being Bishop. Uh he's

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Speaker 2: a rookie, yea, never played it down in the NFL,

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Speaker 2: went undrafted. I think the guy that the people were

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I do too.

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Speaker 2: This is a guy who's played He's you know, played

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Speaker 2: several hundred snaps in the slot in the NFL. You know,

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Speaker 2: so you even about him. He's a fourth year guy,

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Speaker 2: you know, he is a slot cornerback. That's what he

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Speaker 2: is and if you know he has yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: as his Beingie Bishop. I mean those guys are slot only.

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Speaker 3: I would think those two are going to if camp

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Speaker 3: head for starting Nickels. Yeah, don't you think.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's that it lines up now, and you know,

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Speaker 2: you have some other guys there. You can do some

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Speaker 2: you can use you know, if you want, you can

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Speaker 2: use make a Fitzpatrick in that role until Cam Sutton

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Elliott could do a little bit of it.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, you know, five snaps a game depends on

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The other thing too, which I think is big in

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Speaker 3: That the Steelers were a very very low percentage nickel defense.

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Speaker 3: They were either big in their three to four or

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Speaker 3: good during this stretch, but they haven't been great at linebacker.

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Speaker 3: They haven't had two guys they feel super comfortable putting

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Speaker 3: go up a lot, and you'll have five dbs on

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Speaker 3: the field a lot less, a lot more than you

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Speaker 3: have six in the past. You know, like that still

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Speaker 3: means you have a slot corner. It doesn't alleviate that need,

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Speaker 3: but instead of having six dbs, I think you'll have

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Speaker 3: five way more often this year.

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Speaker 2: And I think if the pass rush is back to

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Speaker 2: they it was good, not great, good, not great. Yeah

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Speaker 2: it's been great. You know, your nickel corner becomes a

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Speaker 2: little less. Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not the.

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Speaker 2: As big a deal as it was. You know, if

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Speaker 3: Of teams cut corner at nickel corner, Yeah you know.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's not a position where players last a

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Speaker 3: They don't have long careers. They get beat up. Frankly,

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Speaker 3: it's a heck a lot easier to find a five

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Speaker 2: There'll be guys cut in training camps this year that

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Speaker 3: Like I don't think Jon Sullivan's even on a team,

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Speaker 3: is he? No? I mean I'd love to do better

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Speaker 3: than that, right, But you could live with him for

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Speaker 3: eight games, right, someone just like them?

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So, I mean, this is not the end of

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Speaker 2: the world or anything of that. And I think people

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Speaker 2: again are overlooking Dante Jackson on the outside.

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Speaker 3: I do too. First off, I've done a lot of

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Speaker 3: nerdy stuff this week with advanced stats and things of

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Speaker 3: that nature, and the Steelers a big was looking at

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Speaker 3: as like completion percentage and things like that, Like, Steelers

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Speaker 3: even if you do, like I even took it to

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Speaker 3: completion percentage was top five in the league. But their

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Speaker 3: were high. And I talked it through and I'm like, well,

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Speaker 3: how can that come down? Team speed in the back seven?

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Your linebackers are so much faster.

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Speaker 3: Jackson so much faster than Peterson or Wallace or guys

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Speaker 3: that would have played a ton of snaps. Peterson led

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Speaker 3: well anymore, you know. I mean, I think that they'll

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Speaker 3: Jackson really illustrates that they didn't just.

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Speaker 2: Give Deontay Johnson away for nothing.

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Speaker 3: They've been targeting this player for a couple of years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a guy that they've wanted that they've

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Speaker 2: they feel fits into their defense well for several years now,

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Speaker 2: and now they've finally acquired him. Now was you know

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Speaker 2: he's twenty eight. Yeah, so it's not like he's over

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Speaker 2: the hill. No, And you know, this is a guy

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Speaker 2: what he's five ten one eight. He's got to be

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Speaker 2: a slot. He's never played the slot.

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Speaker 3: Not what he is now.

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Speaker 2: He's an outside cornerback.

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Speaker 3: He's an outside corner that can really run. And has

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Speaker 3: he been a Has he been a tremendous player? Of

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Speaker 3: course not. I mean he profiles as a number two corner.

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Speaker 3: But the poor guy, I mean, if you look at

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Speaker 3: what he's had to deal with, he has had some injuries,

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Speaker 3: I mean, and his body type that worries you a

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Speaker 3: little I mean he's skinnier. I mean, he's built more

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Speaker 3: like a track athlete. But he's also had to deal

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Speaker 3: with like six or seven different defensive schemes. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 3: like just plug him in, play a lot of man

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, we'll see how that works out.

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Speaker 2: They also have less We forget Anthony Avrett, who they

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Speaker 2: signed off the street.

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Speaker 3: On the block.

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Speaker 2: He's been a block. I mean if he ends up

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Speaker 2: not NFL players necessarily that Steeler fans have heard a lot.

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Speaker 3: Of sure, and so these guys are half a year,

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Speaker 2: No, in nor do I think they should.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it might be real happy about it at Christmas,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I've already asked, you know, multiple times. Did

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Speaker 3: I'm sure we're going to talk a lot about those

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, that happens every year, there's somebody comes out

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Speaker 2: You don't want to work with sears crash. It's a yeah,

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Speaker 2: I sold Lady Ken moorees, Yes, it's terrible. Anyways, let's

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. I'm Dale Lolli. He is the Matt Williamson

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Speaker 2: and this is the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio. And

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Speaker 2: Matt I wanted to take a look today in this

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Speaker 2: segment at the ESPN Power Rankings. They have their power Index.

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Speaker 3: I guess, yeah, yeah. They do things a little differently

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So they ranked their teams by their football power

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Speaker 3: So looking at it's a little different than power ranks.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So looking at this from bottom up, they got

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Speaker 3: Okay, their strength of schedule is not hard, but the

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Speaker 2: At thirty one, they have New England that might be

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Speaker 3: Okay. They have New England's defense pretty high.

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Speaker 2: New England's defense is a minus point three, so it's

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Speaker 2: That's but the offense is minus one point one, whereas

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Speaker 2: Carolina's offense is minus two point zero.

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Speaker 3: I might rather Carolina's offense than the Patriots.

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Speaker 2: The defense is actually above average according to this at

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Speaker 2: they're Carolina's offense is minus four point nine. They're the

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Speaker 2: They have New England's defense at minus one point one.

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Speaker 3: I think New England's defense is well above average. The

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Speaker 3: I think their their defense is definitely above average.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it is or not.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm thinking, because if you look at the pieces, great,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean like Barmore and Gonzalez are exciting, you.

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Speaker 2: Last year, Denver is thirtieth. They're minus three point six

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Speaker 3: I don't know what side the balls works for them,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, then you get the Giants minus three point seven overall,

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Speaker 3: Okay, I mean I at least like that. They addressed

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Speaker 2: At twenty eight is Washington?

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Speaker 3: I think Washington's pretty bad.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. They are minus three point five, minus two point

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Speaker 3: Okay, I think they'd be worse for both.

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Speaker 3: Right, they get the tackles are good and that's about it,

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Speaker 3: That adds up. I'd probably have them ahead of every

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Speaker 2: The Vikings are minus two point five. They're minus two

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Speaker 2: Yeah, at twenty four you have the Raiders at minus

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Speaker 3: I don't think any of these teams have even been

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Speaker 2: So it's not like other than the Vikings on defense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Cardinals come in at twenty three. They are

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Speaker 3: I think their defense is noticeably worse than the offense.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the offense at least has some pieces. Now

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Speaker 3: NFC South well represented already.

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Speaker 2: NFC South and the NFC East.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. At twenty one is Seattle minus point four on offense,

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Speaker 3: There are lines also troubling, but gno, Smith's in at

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Speaker 2: Lot of scale position players are good.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so they're maybe one of the better special teams mentioned.

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Speaker 3: So apparently I don't know how to come well the best.

438
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Speaker 2: One mentioned thus far as the Raiders at point three.

439
00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,359
Speaker 3: Okay, but they don't give those guys a ton.

440
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Speaker 2: Of They must not weight it highly is point The

441
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Speaker 2: point is the best special teams school. So apparently the

442
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Speaker 2: Raiders have the best special teams in the league according

443
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Speaker 2: to this, I'll believe them.

444
00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:24,639
Speaker 3: But okay, fair enough.

445
00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,520
Speaker 2: Uh but yeah, the Colts coming in at twenty, I

446
00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:30,200
Speaker 2: think that's fair.

447
00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,879
Speaker 3: I mean, I think they're better than the Bucks and

448
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,800
Speaker 3: Vikings and Raiders and a couple of teams we mentioned recently.

449
00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,520
Speaker 3: I don't think they're close to contender status though.

450
00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:43,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, would you say the the offense is markedly worse

451
00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:43,679
Speaker 2: than the defense.

452
00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's one thing too. It's like the defense is steady.

453
00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:48,120
Speaker 3: I mean it's I don't know how much stock they

454
00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,720
Speaker 3: put in schemes and things, but they're one of the

455
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Speaker 3: most vanilla schemes out there. They're they're one of the

456
00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,360
Speaker 3: only teams playing old school legion of Boom cover three.

457
00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,359
Speaker 3: They got Buckner and they got some guys I think.

458
00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:00,919
Speaker 3: I think there's talent on offense.

459
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Speaker 2: I think so too.

460
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Speaker 3: I mean, I mentioned some of the O line rankings

461
00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 3: I've seen lately. Almost everyone has a Colts in the

462
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,080
Speaker 3: top five, where they weren't a year ago.

463
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Speaker 2: Then you had the Bears at nineteen. They're minus point

464
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Speaker 2: three overall, minus one point seven on offense, one point

465
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Speaker 2: two on defense, and it.

466
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Speaker 3: Has to be based a lot off of how they

467
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Speaker 3: finished the season. On defense. I mean, they're good at linebacker,

468
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:30,119
Speaker 3: they got some corners, but I still see the holes

469
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Speaker 3: on defense. Might be more talent on offense, especially when

470
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Speaker 3: you consider the receivers, but Caleb Williams has so it

471
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:38,560
Speaker 3: has to hold down a little bit. Like they would

472
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Speaker 3: be below zero for me on offense.

473
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Speaker 2: How about this one. Then you have the Chargers at

474
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Speaker 2: eighteen point three on offense. Are they an above average offense? No, definitely,

475
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,040
Speaker 2: not minus point eight on defense.

476
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:53,600
Speaker 3: I don't think they're close to that.

477
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Speaker 2: And there are point two on special teams? At what

478
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Speaker 2: point in any century? Yeah, have the Chargers one of

479
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,399
Speaker 2: the better special teams units in the LAG?

480
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Speaker 3: Right? I'm sure emphasis great, but they've never been good

481
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 3: on teams. All their supporting stuff is always bad. I

482
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Speaker 3: think the defense could be one of the worst in

483
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Speaker 3: the league.

484
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're they're point minus point eight and that's that's

485
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Speaker 2: where they're spending all their money.

486
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like they're really counting on mac Bosa,

487
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:23,120
Speaker 3: Derwin James. All of them could be great, but all

488
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,360
Speaker 3: are so hard to count.

489
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Speaker 2: On right now, and everything around them is like a

490
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Speaker 2: dumpster bad.

491
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Speaker 3: Yeah, like Samuel's okay, but the rest of the group

492
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 3: is bad. Yeah.

493
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Speaker 2: I think that's one that again, much like everybody else,

494
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Speaker 2: I think the Chargers are being vastly overrated.

495
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, especially like an over underwind totals and

496
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 3: stuff like that like that. I think they're an easy under.

497
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Speaker 2: At seventeen at point at zero dead even the Steelers okay,

498
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 2: minus point nine on offense, point eight on defense, and

499
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Speaker 2: they get a point one for special special teams. So

500
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Speaker 2: if you look at that offensively, they're saying that the Steelers.

501
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Speaker 3: Are I don't know exactly how they do this average yeah, yeah, which.

502
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 2: Is better than what they surely what they the Falcons

503
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 2: offense is a zero. Then you got Jacksonville, Seattle, the

504
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,200
Speaker 2: Jets and Colts right right ahead of the Steelers.

505
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 3: It's probably the neighborhood for now.

506
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Speaker 2: Defensively, you've got the Ravens, Browns, Jets, Bears, and Steelers.

507
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 3: Bears are the ones don't belong to me there? Yeah,

508
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:39,440
Speaker 3: I think that's put in the cart before the horse

509
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Speaker 3: of Chicago. Those other teams are the best defenses in

510
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Speaker 3: the league.

511
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 2: So really they have the Steelers tied for the fifth

512
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 2: best defense in the league.

513
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Speaker 3: That's a good way of looking at it.

514
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,680
Speaker 2: And the time of San Franciso, by the way.

515
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 3: I think that's where they're at. I think the defense

516
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 3: does not have holes. Even with the Cam Sutton stuff.

517
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Speaker 3: We talked about that length that segment ago. They got

518
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 3: star power, they got better a linebacker. I think they

519
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 3: got better at second corner. There's a little bit of depth,

520
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 3: or's some youth, So I don't think that's off on

521
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Speaker 3: the defense.

522
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Speaker 2: Yeah, can the offense? The question then becomes can the

523
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Speaker 2: offense be better than point nine?

524
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Speaker 3: I'd say, can it get the was it negative to

525
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 3: point nine?

526
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 2: Negative point nine?

527
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Speaker 3: Yeah? Could it get the above zero? I think would

528
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Speaker 3: be a realistic goal. Could it be an above average

529
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Speaker 3: offense even if it's point one or however they do

530
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Speaker 3: their rankings. Yeah, I mean if they're they're churning out

531
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Speaker 3: four and a half yards of carry, then the rest

532
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 3: of it will fall into place. They get to be there. Yes,

533
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Speaker 3: I mean time and possession.

534
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Speaker 2: If it's if it's four point two, four point three

535
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 2: yards of carry as a team.

536
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Speaker 3: Yeah, as a team.

537
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're you know, you're gonna score more points.

538
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 2: You're gonna throw more touchdown.

539
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,360
Speaker 3: Passes, guaranteed, Yeah, guaranteed.

540
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 2: So I think it can be.

541
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it could be. Yeah, And I think

542
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Speaker 3: that number was a negative point nine. Yeah, it's better

543
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Speaker 3: than what they showed last year, I would imagine. Yeah,

544
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Speaker 3: compared to the other grades I've heard so.

545
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Speaker 2: Far, Jacksonville is right ahead of the Seelers at sixteen.

546
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Speaker 2: They are point one.

547
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Speaker 3: Okay, I think Steelers are better team than the Jags.

548
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 2: But they're minus point two on offense, they're point four

549
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 2: on defense. They get a zero on special teams. The

550
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 2: Steelers are point one on special teams.

551
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 3: They think they're slightly about.

552
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 2: Better than average special teams.

553
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,439
Speaker 3: Unit, and sounds like they don't give out huge grades

554
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 3: for special teams because they're not gonna wait.

555
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 2: And remember too, the Steelers have the third most difficult schedule.

556
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Speaker 3: Oh I guess I forgot that's being accounted here too,

557
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 3: So they're not even saying necessarily the Jags are a

558
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Speaker 3: better team than the Steelers.

559
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 2: The Jaguars have the thirteenth Yeah.

560
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, like the charge.

561
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Speaker 2: They're looking at the Chargers. Is the Chargers having the

562
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Speaker 2: thirty first easiest schedule?

563
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 3: Okay, only one team has an easier schedule than the Chargers.

564
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 3: That adds up too, right, and I think that's one

565
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Speaker 3: of the reasons they're win totals as high as it is.

566
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Speaker 3: But it makes me want to go under. Yeah, Chargers. Yeah.

567
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Speaker 2: The Falcons are at point two, they're fifteenth.

568
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 3: Is their schedule thirty second? It is? Yeah, that helps too.

569
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Speaker 3: I don't know if Falcons are a better team or

570
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,199
Speaker 3: not than the steel I don't think there are.

571
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Speaker 2: I mean defense, there's nothing defensively that the Falcons have

572
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 2: that scales you, not one single thing.

573
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Speaker 3: It's gone from a bad defense to a below average defense,

574
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 3: but it's not close to Steep.

575
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,640
Speaker 2: Who's who's the star on that defense?

576
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 3: Pass rush is the big problem. Baits and Terrell are

577
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 3: nice players, but the pass rush has been a problem

578
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 3: for five years.

579
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 2: And Grady Jared's not what he was.

580
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,360
Speaker 3: He's not what he used to be and he's okay.

581
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,919
Speaker 3: You know, the offense is exciting, really good O line,

582
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 3: NFL quarterback, you know they go weapons. Yeah.

583
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 2: Right ahead of the Falcons are the Browns at point five. Okay,

584
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 2: the Browns come in at minus one point five on offense.

585
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Speaker 3: Good, I'm gonna say, I hope that's a below average offense.

586
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 2: A one point eight on defense and two on special teams, so.

587
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Speaker 3: That must be about the highest defense. I mean, you

588
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 3: mentioned the top five. I think they were one. Jets

589
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 3: are up there.

590
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Speaker 2: Baltimore they had the eighth most difficult schedule. I don't

591
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 2: know how you found you're in the road stuff. Yeah,

592
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 2: but it splits with with with Cleveland's defense.

593
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 3: We're real, We're real. I mean, if you the home

594
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 3: stuff is easily won, you know, the road stuff's like

595
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 3: twentieth though it's not worse, yeah, I mean it's it's

596
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 3: bottom third. I don't know how you equate that, because

597
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 3: it's not like it'd be different if first eight games

598
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 3: they were great. Second night games they weren't, and something happened.

599
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 2: It was literally every time defensive, great defensive game. Every

600
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 2: time they were on the road they laid an egg.

601
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,479
Speaker 3: And I'm sure it's not nearly to that extreme all

602
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 3: through Brown's history. But the Bears and the Browns that

603
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 3: play and slop, yeah, are gonna be better at huh,

604
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 3: you know.

605
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 2: At thirteen other Rams. There are a one point two

606
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 2: on offense, there are minus point b on defense.

607
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 3: I'd be harder on the d I don't know.

608
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 2: I can put the Rams at high.

609
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 3: Yeah. I like their offense. I trust McVeigh. I think

610
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 3: they'll run the ball. Well, Stafford's a dude. But after

611
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 3: losing Donald, I think that defense should be like bottom five.

612
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 2: And they've got the tenth most difficult schedule.

613
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 3: Do that. Okay, I knew it wasn't easy, but wow,

614
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 3: that's harsh.

615
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 2: The Jets are at twelve one point two overall, minus

616
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 2: point four on offense, one point five on defense.

617
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 3: So this is kind of like that Roam Brown's road

618
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 3: home split conversation we had. How do you account for

619
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 3: the fragileness of that team? You know what I mean?

620
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 3: Like today, if we're talking about a lie and they

621
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 3: gotta line up, they could beat anybody. They could win

622
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl with this team. But over the course

623
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 3: six Tyron Smith and you know, guys coming off injuries

624
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 3: and depth concerns. So and of course Rogers, I would

625
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 3: have them high. I mean, if you're ranking them in July.

626
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Speaker 2: At eleven, are the Dolphins They're at two point six.

627
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, two point one overall, a two point one

628
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 2: on offense, a point two on defense. They take a

629
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 2: hit for a special teams special teams minus point two.

630
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 3: Okay, I was saying their defense would be average at

631
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 3: best to me, But that's not far off, so it's

632
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 3: not going to complain too much. I mean, that's gonna

633
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 3: be one of the higher offenses though.

634
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. At ten is the Packers. Two point seven on offense,

635
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 2: I think, guess the highest we've had yet. Yeah, I

636
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 2: think so, A point one on defense and minus point

637
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 2: two on special teams.

638
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 3: Their special team has been historically bad. Year after year two.

639
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 3: You would think they get that fix. But that's like

640
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 3: the Chargers. How do we know that? Right?

641
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 2: There?

642
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 3: Is that too harsh? On the defense? The defense wasn't

643
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 3: great last year, but it has good has some good players.

644
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, the defense is really bad.

645
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 3: It was really bad last Yeah, right, I mean they

646
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 3: made a coordinator change and they do have talent on

647
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 3: that side of the ball. I guess that's a fair ranking.

648
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 2: Then Houston comes in at nine. A two point two

649
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 2: on offense, a point six on defense, uh, and a

650
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 2: plus point two on special teams. They have the fourth

651
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 2: most difficult schedule.

652
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 3: Did they really. Yeah, I mean, first play schedule in

653
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 3: then AFC team is hard. Obviously their divisions improved. I

654
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 3: would say, you know, you used to look at the

655
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 3: South like they'll roll through the South. I don't think

656
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 3: that's true. I don't have a problem with them being there,

657
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 3: But I think people in DESPN apparently like their defense

658
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 3: more than I do. It's okay, Yeah, I don't think

659
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 3: it's special. I don't think it's one of the better

660
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 3: defenses in the league.

661
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 2: The Eagles are eighth. They're at three point one overall,

662
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 2: two point seven on offense, a point one on defense,

663
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 2: and a point two positive point two on special teams.

664
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 3: I would bet when it's all said and done, the

665
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 3: defense better than that. Yeah. I mean they got some.

666
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 2: Good guys, better than a league average.

667
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so too. Uh.

668
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 2: Cincinnati comes in at seven at three point three overall,

669
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 2: two point four on offense. I don't have a problem

670
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 2: with that, no point one on defense.

671
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 3: That's not what they were last year.

672
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 2: The defense was bad last year.

673
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 3: That's a leap of faith that they're going to get

674
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 3: it back to two years ago. Version. Like, even like

675
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 3: Hendrickson's a really good player, he's not young, you know,

676
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 3: I mean, if you're banking on him to be your star,

677
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 3: you know he's not young, and there aren't a lot

678
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 3: of stars on the defense, I would have it. I

679
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 3: think that's a below average defense. Just curious what their

680
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 3: special teams are point one.

681
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 2: Okay, Dallas comes in at six at three point five,

682
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 2: two point six on offense, point six on defense, and

683
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 2: they get a point two on special teams. Is Cincinnati's

684
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 2: defense better than that of Dallas?

685
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't see that, And I was I

686
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 3: was actually gonna focus on the Dallas offense. You got

687
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 3: two new linemen on you know, you know that are

688
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 3: prominent dudes that I'm going to run the ball for you,

689
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 3: And I don't know if they have a running game

690
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 3: at all. Yeah, I mean, I think led the league

691
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 3: in pass attempts last year. Fine, and Cede Lamb will

692
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,959
Speaker 3: get a million targets. But you're throwing to Cooks and

693
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 3: Ferguson and Tolbert and that's your offense. And I'm not

694
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 3: sure that's a two six or whatever.

695
00:31:58,120 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: Uh.

696
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 2: Buffalo comes in fifth of at a three point seven.

697
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 3: That'd be lower for me.

698
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 2: Three point three on offense. Wow, that's the highest one

699
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 2: we've had yet a point five on defense. They do

700
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 2: take a minus point two on special teams. The strength

701
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 2: of schedule is number two in the league.

702
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 3: Hard, I mean like near the near the hardest thing.

703
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 3: I'm saying, Josh Allen carries a ton of weight on

704
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 3: that offense.

705
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 2: If you look at the offensive rankings, that is actually

706
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 2: the fourth rated offense in the league.

707
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 3: As as I say, I don't think it's a top five

708
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 3: type offense. Like I would take Cinci's offense over Buffalo's.

709
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would too.

710
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 3: I think it's definitely more dangerous.

711
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 2: I'd definitely take I think i'd take the Eagles offense.

712
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 3: Over Yeah, I wouldn't with Dallas, But I don't know

713
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 3: that it would not be a top five offense, right, Yeah,

714
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 3: not with the receivers.

715
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 2: Detroit comes in at four at a four point zero deservedly,

716
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 2: a three point six on offense, a point four on defense,

717
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 2: and they're dead even on special teams.

718
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 3: I mean they were well below average on defense. I

719
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 3: think their additions get the average or better. I mean

720
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 3: that mean that maybe that's a little rich, but that's

721
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 3: a really good roster.

722
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 2: That's that's the best offense we've mentioned.

723
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 3: It in terms of scores.

724
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

725
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 3: I also think it's the best one we've mentioned period.

726
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.

727
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 2: I mean, like if you're looking at an offensive line,

728
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 2: you're looking at running backs. Yeah, the quarterback play is you.

729
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 3: Got a big time young tight end. Yeah, you know

730
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 3: it's well designed. Yes, it's a good team.

731
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 2: Baltimore comes in at four point eight, okay, two point

732
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 2: six on offense, one point nine on defense. They get

733
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 2: a point of the highest defenses.

734
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm sure, but they had a positive special teams.

735
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 2: That is the highest defense they have. Baltimore's the number

736
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 2: one defense in the league. I don't agree with that,

737
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 2: and the ninth most difficult this year.

738
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 3: Okay, seems a little high considering their offseason losses, but

739
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 3: their twenty twenty three version was probably better than both

740
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 3: of those offense and defensive.

741
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:58,719
Speaker 2: I don't know if the defense is going to be that.

742
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 3: I don't think it'll be as impact this year.

743
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 2: I don't think.

744
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 3: I think that coordinator move hurts a lot, and you

745
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 3: lost Weaver. The D line coach is now a coordinator too.

746
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 3: I mean, there there wasn't a true.

747
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 2: The edge rushers that you're counting on.

748
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 3: I mean they need to take a step yeah, right,

749
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 3: everyone knows who Mattabuque is and he's still good, but

750
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 3: he's gonna get a lot of attention. You know. It's

751
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 3: a good defense. I'm not saying it's not. But I

752
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 3: think the coaching change is hurt. I do too.

753
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,760
Speaker 2: I mean, you lost two guys in the grand scheme

754
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 2: of things. I think had the had the defensive coordinator

755
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 2: left first, Anthony Weaver would have been their defensive coordinator.

756
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 3: That's a good way of putting it, because the way

757
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 3: I was gonna phrase it was from what I understand.

758
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 3: It's always hard to comment on assistant coaches, even on

759
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 3: the team you know best. Yeah, but this team is

760
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,280
Speaker 3: so unique and it's you know, that's the the Harbaugh

761
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 3: Michigan Ravens. Everyone's gonna try to start to copy it.

762
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 3: But I don't think they had somebody in line that

763
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 3: has this is the obvious successor. Yeah, and that was

764
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 3: Weaver and he already left, you know.

765
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kansas City's is two. They're a five point zero,

766
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 2: a four point one on offense, at point seven on defense,

767
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 2: and they get a point two for special teams.

768
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 3: Their offense was not a four point one last not

769
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 3: last year. There really wasn't I mean there was much

770
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 3: more ball control. I mean, not a lot of explosiveness.

771
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 3: What if Kelsey takes a step backwards. I mean, I

772
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 3: have all the respect in the world for the Chiefs,

773
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 3: but that seems a little rich for they don't left

774
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 3: tackle right now. Yeah, tackles are problems as well. I

775
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 3: don't know if they have a great running game. I

776
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 3: don't think the checko's anything right.

777
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,240
Speaker 2: How about their strength to schedules twenty fifth though.

778
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 3: That's I guess that does carry wait in this exercise.

779
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:35,439
Speaker 3: I think their offense is a little high, though.

780
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 2: Some Buffalo's strength to schedules number two and they're that high.

781
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 3: Well, the East is good, yeah, I mean East is

782
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 3: a lot better than the West. I mean I'd much

783
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 3: rather play them in the Chargers, you know, Broncos and Raiders,

784
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 3: and at least.

785
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 2: San Francisco number one. They're five point one, so just

786
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 2: ahead of the Chiefs. Okay, they get a four point

787
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 2: four on offense, they get a point eight on defense,

788
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 2: and they take a minus point one on special teams.

789
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,760
Speaker 2: They have the eleventh most of a cult schedule.

790
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 3: Okay, I think the defense is good, not great. I

791
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 3: think the offense is great. Yeah, yeah, I mean, they

792
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,240
Speaker 3: make up for a very average at best offensive line.

793
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 3: But I do wonder what if Trent Williams misses any

794
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 3: stretch of time. I mean, he's so important to them,

795
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 3: and I mean if they play the Steelers, well, Steelers

796
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 3: are bad. Example, if they play the any other team

797
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 3: that aligns their stud you know, coming off the blind side,

798
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 3: he's alone on them time after time. You know Watt

799
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 3: would come off the off other side, of course, but

800
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 3: I mean even a Steeler situation, he's never going to

801
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,280
Speaker 3: get help with high Smith, which allows you to double Watt.

802
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 3: And I mean he's super important for him and he's

803
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 3: been awesome, but I think he's thirty.

804
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 2: Eight, right, He's right, not a young man anymore.

805
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 3: Like I'd rather lose Ayuk or Debo or Kittle or

806
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 3: McCaffrey even than Trent Williams if.

807
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 2: I'm the So if you look at that, I mean again,

808
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 2: the Steelers a dead even zero, You're the only team

809
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 2: that was dead even right, yeah, just behind them, the

810
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 2: Chargers at minus point dude, just ahead of them, Jacksonville

811
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 2: at point one.

812
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 3: I think the Series is the best team of those three.

813
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 3: And frankly, I'm with you. The Chargers aren't a league

814
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 3: average team. I don't think so either. Yeah.

815
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 2: I look at that that grouping of teams where the

816
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,240
Speaker 2: Steelers are at. If you look at it, the teams

817
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 2: within zero point five of them, you get the Falcons

818
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 2: at point two, the Jaguars at point one, the Steelers

819
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 2: at zero, the Chargers at minus point two, the Bears

820
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 2: at minus point three, and the Colts at minus point four.

821
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 3: Right before you said that, I was gonna say I'd

822
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 3: have the Colts ahead of the Chargers in the AFC

823
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 3: two And just pure honesty, I think the Steelers are

824
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 3: the best of those five teams, and the Falcons are

825
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 3: probably number one of that group because they're scheduled so easy. Yeah, yeah,

826
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 3: I mean their schedules thirty second, it's the best.

827
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 2: But they'll play each other in week one.

828
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, the Steelers one, and they're thirty two

829
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 3: turns of schedule three.

830
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 2: The Steelers are three met Falcons are thirty two.

831
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 3: Okay, by most metrics, the Steelers have the hardest schedule. Yeah,

832
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 3: one of them is really hard. Ones really easy, absolutely,

833
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:57,760
Speaker 3: and they swear off what you said.

834
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they get to figure it out out of

835
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 2: the gate. Let's get to a break. He is the

836
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,240
Speaker 2: Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lolly. You're listening to the Drive

837
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 2: here on Steelers Nation Radio. We'll take a break and

838
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 2: come right back.

839
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Speaker 3: After this least.

840
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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

841
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

842
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

843
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the drive. I am Dale LOLLI and

844
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,399
Speaker 2: he is Matt Williamson, the Matt Williamson, the only one.

845
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 2: And uh, I don't know if you saw this one,

846
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 2: but this will get take care of some of the

847
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 2: confusion that we often have when we're talking about the

848
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:41,720
Speaker 2: Josh Allens.

849
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 3: Oh I heard something, Yeah, yeah.

850
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 2: So Josh Allen in Jacksonville is now Josh heinz Allen.

851
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 2: He's hyphen okay, good as opposed to Josh Allen, the

852
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 2: quarterback in Buffalo, who's still just Josh Allen.

853
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 3: Okay. So I don't think I've ever told this story

854
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 3: on the air, but when I was in Great Aid School,

855
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 3: many many moons ago, this is probably nineteen seventy nine,

856
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 3: got in my share of trouble and there was a

857
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 3: young man who was a year younger than me named

858
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 3: Matt Williamson. There you go.

859
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 2: That's why I always say what made me think of it?

860
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 3: When you brought that on? And he now goes by JC.

861
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 3: I think because he used to take the blame for

862
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 3: some of the things that older Matt Williamson got in

863
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 3: trouble for. So that's not as that's not his first

864
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 3: I remember, I forget his first name, but he does

865
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 3: not go by Matt anymore because he got some heat

866
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 3: for some things that I did and it worked out

867
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 3: quite well for me.

868
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 2: Well, I'm a junior, okay, So that's why when I

869
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 2: first broke into the business and I was working at

870
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 2: the paper near my you knowe whereun where I grew

871
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 2: up at. Yeah, yeah, I had to put the junior

872
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 2: like you know, Dale Owley junior because people confused me,

873
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 2: like my people thought my dad was writing okay for

874
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 2: the paper. So interesting changed careers, you know it, you know,

875
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 2: fifty and decided he was gonna go write for the newspaper.

876
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 3: So I got a quick question too, you edit a

877
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 3: you're a much better editor than me. When do we

878
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 3: stop calling like Marvin Harrison junior, Marvin Harrison junior, or

879
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 3: don't you you know like when he goes into the

880
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame? Is it gonna be Marvin Harrison Junior?

881
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 3: Every time he type it is here.

882
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 2: Here's the thing that I look at with that. If

883
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 2: I don't know who that is? Who the you know?

884
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 2: If I don't, I guess. So, for example, Calvin Austin the.

885
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 3: Third, I don't know his dad?

886
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:33,439
Speaker 2: Yeah? Does it? Does his dad?

887
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 3: Play?

888
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 2: Is his dad? Somebody who's famous? Is his dad?

889
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 3: Now?

890
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 2: I get it. That's what you want to be called,

891
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 2: and okay, I.

892
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 3: Want to be called whatever you want.

893
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 2: So upon first reference, it's always you know, there's the

894
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 2: third okay, and then after that it's just Austin.

895
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:47,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

896
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 2: You know you're not saying, but Joey Porter Junior. On

897
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 2: the other you know, you've got.

898
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 3: His dad is well known. Yeah, okay, that's a good way.

899
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 2: So you know, if you're writing a story.

900
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 3: From Louis the Eighth, yeah, well he's always gonna whatever, Yeah,

901
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 3: King Henry or yeah, okay to me.

902
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 2: You know, again, upon first reference, you always use what they.

903
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 3: Their name in the program or exactly what they want

904
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:10,399
Speaker 3: to be called.

905
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 2: Okay, But you know the real confusion comes then if

906
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 2: you're writing a story about Joey Porter Junior, and you're

907
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 2: quoting Joey Porter sr.

908
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, and it gets real confusing or brothers

909
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 3: of the same or I don't know. And a lot

910
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 3: of times it's.

911
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 2: Like, you know, for example, I did a Connor Hayward

912
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 2: story this offseason. You mentioned Cam Hayward as well, and

913
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 2: then so you have to use the full name Connor

914
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 2: Hayward if you're also quoting.

915
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 3: For the whole story. Yeah, you can't destride he Hayward said, yeah,

916
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,479
Speaker 3: you know in paragraph five or whatever. Gotcha. But good

917
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 3: for Josh h Allen or whatever his name is he

918
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 3: Heinz Allen, Okay, yeah, long overdue. I don't think the

919
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 3: bills out.

920
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 2: He's a big Hein's Word fan because it's h I

921
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 2: n E S. That's it's a family name.

922
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 3: Though I assume he didn't. Maybe his parents were big

923
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 3: Hindes word fan.

924
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't. He didn't do that, did you see?

925
00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 3: Uh.

926
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 2: I haven't watched any of the Hard eight.

927
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 3: I watched the first one.

928
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 2: Okay, there's a story out there now that Brian dayball

929
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 2: and on the next one is going to run a

930
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 2: forty oh no, and he guaranteed he will break seven seconds.

931
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 2: Seven seconds. Well, if you and I ran forties right now,

932
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 2: what do you think he would run?

933
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 3: I would be bad. I have a torminniscus on my

934
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 3: left knees. Before that, I think I could break seven.

935
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 3: I'm I was slow on my best day. I bet

936
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 3: you were fast on your best day.

937
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 2: So when I was athlete, when I was like thirty

938
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 2: thirty one thirty two, I was still working at the

939
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 2: Observer Reporter in Washington, and the baseball team came to town,

940
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 2: the Washington wild Things came to town, the Frontier League,

941
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 2: and they held an open tryout. Now for that league,

942
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 2: the Frontier League, I think he had to be under

943
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 2: twenty seven to play.

944
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 3: He suck.

945
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 2: You probably do under twenty seven to play in the league.

946
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 2: But the paper said, do you want to you know,

947
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 2: the wild Thing, Chaul, Do you guys want to send

948
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 2: somebody over to the tryout and do a story on no? Okay?

949
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 3: Cool? Yeah, I'll do it. Yeah, yeah, you've been around

950
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 3: baseball and sure you could hold your own at least.

951
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 2: So one of the things that we did was we

952
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 2: ran sixties, okay, and they lined they would line like

953
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 2: five guys up until there were over one hundred people

954
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 2: there at the tryout.

955
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 3: I should know. This is that home the second? What's

956
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 3: a sixty yard desk?

957
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 2: Sixties?

958
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 3: You're that's just what baseball uses. Okay, I say, why

959
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 3: do they use sixties? What a ninety feet? Right?

960
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 2: Ninety feet?

961
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 3: Yeah?

962
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 2: Is that's sixty yards? I don't know whatever anyway, so

963
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 2: it wouldn't be sixty yards. Yeah, that'd be one hundred

964
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 2: and eighty feet.

965
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 3: You figured that one on the fly.

966
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 2: But they always use sixty times in baseball, So they

967
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 2: line a bunch of us up.

968
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 3: Now.

969
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 2: These are all guys that have just gotten done playing

970
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 2: college baseball.

971
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're all in shape and probably done this before.

972
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 2: And right or right yeah, and thirty one year old

973
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 2: me okay, and I smoked them.

974
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 3: You were one.

975
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 2: I buy a lot. Wow, like a lot. And I'm like,

976
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 2: I look down the line when we got done, I'm like,

977
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 2: you guys are all getting cut. Yeah like you.

978
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure sure he didn't even go there

979
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 3: thinking you were gonna come in first.

980
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 2: You probably thought I was only five guys. I don't

981
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 2: even know what I rank. I mean, but I was

982
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 2: never like super I was never super fast, but I

983
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 2: was never super slow.

984
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 3: Okay, back to the seven yard seven second forty. I

985
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 3: think you easily break that. I would do that easily,

986
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 3: easily still at your age, I don't think I would

987
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 3: because I would be pain But on my best day, yes,

988
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 3: a year ago before this knee, I still think yes.

989
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,399
Speaker 3: And my reference is Rich Eisen's like a six to one.

990
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I guarantee i'd run something. I'd run

991
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:34,240
Speaker 2: something in the fives.

992
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:35,760
Speaker 3: Right now, I think you'd break six?

993
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 2: Could I do? Could I do a five point five?

994
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 2: I'm fifty five years old? Could I Could I get

995
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 2: under five point five?

996
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 3: There was one way to find out. I gotta stop

997
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 3: watch on my phone. Get you get the cap.

998
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 2: Along those lines if you remember, you do.

999
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 3: It at two thirty am after Sharky's.

1000
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 2: And a part probably a little bit more of a serpentine.

1001
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 3: More steps indeed.

1002
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 2: So one last story here, so a training camp and

1003
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,959
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety seven, I believe it was Jamaine Stevens after

1004
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 2: his rookie year didn't pass the conditioning test, and a

1005
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,399
Speaker 2: bunch of a bunch of us were joking about it

1006
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 2: and talking to Tom Donaho afterwards, and he looked at

1007
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 2: us all and goes, well, you guys couldn't do it.

1008
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 3: And I always hate that argument. I'm not getting paid

1009
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:22,720
Speaker 3: to do it, and I'm not a steale.

1010
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 2: I am not a professional athlete, right right, But at

1011
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 2: that point I was let's say ninety six, I was it.

1012
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 3: I bet Jamaine kidn write as good a story as

1013
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 3: I could either, you know, but right.

1014
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 2: I was like twenty eight, twenty nine years old at

1015
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 2: that point. So I went to at that point, it

1016
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 2: was they ran twenty one hundred yard sprints. You ran.

1017
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 2: It was you sprinted the first one hundred then you

1018
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 2: jogged back. But you had like twenty five seconds or

1019
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 2: something like that to do the to do that, to

1020
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 2: do that sprint down as fas as you can't jog back.

1021
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 2: So I went to the basketball courts at Saint Vincent

1022
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 2: College the next day, measured it off, yeah, on the

1023
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 2: hot basketball and did it with ease.

1024
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 3: Okay, I mean that doesn't sound like it's hard. I mean,

1025
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 3: I know, I remember.

1026
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 2: Also not a three hundred pounder at that point or

1027
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:09,720
Speaker 2: any point in my life.

1028
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 3: But still, but still that does not seem I was

1029
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 3: not difficult.

1030
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 2: I was not in great shape, you know, I hadn't

1031
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 2: ran or anything.

1032
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 3: I just I mean, you know better than me at

1033
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 3: the time that was big news because no one really failed.

1034
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:21,720
Speaker 3: They're not designed they're.

1035
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 2: Not Yeah, they're not designed for number one pick. He's

1036
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 2: penciled in as a starter at right tackle, and he

1037
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 2: didn't pass.

1038
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 3: The He's a professional athlete, too. Does everyone in the

1039
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 3: league right now beat a six to zero? Yeah? Orlando Brown? Yeah,

1040
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 3: I think so. Yeah.

1041
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 2: I think I remember he bearing like a five to

1042
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 2: five at the combine and then.

1043
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 3: It was ugly and slop. Yeah, right, right, right, yeah.

1044
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 2: I think everyone in better shape now that he's been

1045
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 2: on a professional.

1046
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 3: I think Brady would have a beat a six.

1047
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 2: Oh.

1048
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 3: I think Ben would be to six. Oh I mean now,

1049
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 3: I mean here detached. Yeah, so back to Dable on

1050
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 3: a seven?

1051
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 2: Who's chasing you to?

1052
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 3: Well, that's true. I don't know about Dable on the

1053
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 3: seven though.

1054
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 2: Seven might be pushing it for him. He's a little portly.

1055
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 3: The first I ever saw him was at the owner

1056
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 3: meeting two years ago. And I'm not making fun of

1057
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 3: the guy. He's a really, really good coach, but he

1058
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 3: kind of has a Lord of the Rings dwarf like

1059
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 3: look about him. Not a long strider, let's put it

1060
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 3: that way. Thickly built, looks like he should carry like

1061
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,760
Speaker 3: a battle axe and have a beer to the ground.

1062
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 3: I mean, not built for speed.

1063
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 2: Once he gets rolling.

1064
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 3: Though, right, he might be hard to stop. I mean

1065
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:30,720
Speaker 3: he might be like Maurice Jones Drew in the open field.

1066
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 3: I don't know, but he's not Ussain Bolt in terms

1067
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 3: of body type, not at all, I would think. And

1068
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 3: he probably was some sort of athlete though, I mean

1069
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 3: chances soon probably the center or nose tack or fullback

1070
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,439
Speaker 3: or something. But he's probably for speed. No, he wasn't

1071
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 3: wide out like a promise you that, Yeah, but he

1072
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 3: still beat to seven. Seven is a long seven is

1073
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 3: a long time one one thousand and two one. You're

1074
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 3: eating up some ground there, I mean, you know, as

1075
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 3: long as you don't pull a hammy, we could too.

1076
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 3: But he's probably faster than Rich Eyesen, right, Rich at

1077
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 3: least practices he wears cleats now, right, I don't know

1078
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 3: if he wears cleats or he doesn't. He used to

1079
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 3: do in his shoes. Now I think they like give

1080
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 3: away the cleats for charity or something. They still runs

1081
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 3: in a suit, yeah, I mean at least, I mean

1082
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 3: any of us would wear basketball shorts or whatever. Yeah. Now,

1083
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 3: I think he beats a seven.

1084
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 2: Okay, well yeah, anyway, I think you beat a six.

1085
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 2: I could definitely beat a six.

1086
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:23,839
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1087
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's take a break. That's kind do it for

1088
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 2: our number one of the drive here on Steelers Nation Radio.

1089
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 2: We'll be back with our number two right after this