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Speaker 1: a lot to get into this week at a busy

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Speaker 1: weekend in boxing last weekend. Uh, to my guest Keith Idex, surprise,

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Speaker 1: get into Martin rivera terrific fight that's gonna air on

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Speaker 1: um at a couple of things. Let's start with Terence Crawford. Uh,

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Speaker 1: People can say whatever they want about Shawn order that

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Speaker 1: numbers aren't everything, but you look at each round Tafemo

427
00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:00,280
Speaker 1: was outlanding him, albeit by one or two punt is

428
00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,320
Speaker 1: for most of of the rounds, and the connection rate

429
00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,800
Speaker 1: when power punches was significantly bigger for Tafea Lopez. I

430
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:08,760
Speaker 1: just it's just really hard to win. To your point,

431
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,600
Speaker 1: it's really hard to win fighting like that, Like you've

432
00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,879
Speaker 1: got to clearly win rounds if you're gonna fight backpedaling

433
00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,200
Speaker 1: the entire time. Um, he had a lot of success

434
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,680
Speaker 1: doing it against Mikey. I don't think he was as

435
00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,680
Speaker 1: successful against Ta Femo. If it had been a draw,

436
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,520
Speaker 1: I probably would have been okay with that. I would

437
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:27,280
Speaker 1: not have been okay with Martine coming away with the

438
00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,880
Speaker 1: wing because I don't think he did enough in this fight.

439
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,080
Speaker 1: And you know, people on Twitter getting on Ta Femo

440
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:37,120
Speaker 1: was one thing, even some media or quasi media members

441
00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,960
Speaker 1: getting onto a Femo. I was surprised how many fighters

442
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,840
Speaker 1: kind of got on him. I defy any of the

443
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,520
Speaker 1: top hundred forty pounders to go out there and dominate

444
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,560
Speaker 1: Sandra Martine. It's just tough to do. Like Mikey Garcia,

445
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 1: who has an argument to be in the Hall of Fame,

446
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,520
Speaker 1: couldn't do anything with him, struggled with him. Now, some

447
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,240
Speaker 1: of that to do with Mikey Garcia having one ft

448
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:57,880
Speaker 1: out the door as well, but he struggled in that

449
00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,520
Speaker 1: fight at a weight class with Sandra Martine was not

450
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 1: especially comfortable at above one forty. This was Sandra Martin's

451
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,879
Speaker 1: natural weight. Despite the fact he took the fight on

452
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 1: short notice, he came in great shape. He had a

453
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 1: good game plan. Dave Fimo was not preparing for a

454
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,200
Speaker 1: fighter like Sandra Martine coming into this, so I think

455
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,879
Speaker 1: that has to be taken into account. And he just

456
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,200
Speaker 1: makes you look bad, and he's gonna make everybody look bad.

457
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 1: You put Sandra Martin in against Regis program and Regis

458
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,120
Speaker 1: programs and stopping him in the second round. You put

459
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,919
Speaker 1: him in with Josh Taylor, that's a hideous fight. If

460
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 1: you put Martin in with Josh Taylor, I'm just I'm

461
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,119
Speaker 1: not here for the you know, I can't believe he

462
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 1: struggled with Sandra Martin. I agree he needs work, and

463
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 1: you know, maybe you don't have to replace his father,

464
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:43,879
Speaker 1: but I think they should start bringing another voices, somebody

465
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 1: else to supplement that team, maybe in the same way

466
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,920
Speaker 1: that Devin Haney does and has done with Ben Davidson

467
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,440
Speaker 1: and others over the years. I just I don't think

468
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 1: it was as catastrophic a performance as some people, including fighters,

469
00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,399
Speaker 1: seemed to believe that it was, because, you know, the

470
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 1: interesting thing is that he had another voice in his corner,

471
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 1: Joey Gamasha's good point and and and he thought very well,

472
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 1: and he got to the point where he beat Vasili

473
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,119
Speaker 1: Lomachenko with Joey Gamash in his corner. So I don't know,

474
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,399
Speaker 1: really know what happened there, but Joey hasn't worked with

475
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 1: him for his last few fights. So um, I agree

476
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 1: with that. The one thing that troubled me maybe about

477
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,680
Speaker 1: good strategy. One thing about Joey we should point out

478
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,119
Speaker 1: to people that aren't familiar, very good strategist. Joey Gamash,

479
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 1: Like he had a lot to do with the strategy

480
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 1: going into that Lomachenko fight, so he's he's very good

481
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 1: in that sense. Also, um, the thing that troubled me,

482
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,200
Speaker 1: maybe more so than anything about t Female's performance on Saturdays,

483
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 1: that he didn't make the adjustments during the fight that

484
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 1: he needed to make, because he continually came forward, lunged

485
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 1: forward and got caught with the counter right hook, and

486
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 1: sandel Or Martin knew how to handle him coming forward

487
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,159
Speaker 1: all night and he knocked He really should have been

488
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 1: credited for two knockdowns. That knockdown and said, I could

489
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 1: see the overhead view it looking like he cut them

490
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,159
Speaker 1: behind his head, but then we saw the other or

491
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 1: angles where it looked like he caught him more on

492
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 1: the side of his head. My personal opinion is that

493
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 1: that should have counted as a knockdown that came from

494
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 1: a counter right hook, as did the knockdown in the

495
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 1: second round. Now, Lopez was not hurt either time. They

496
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: were flash knockdowns, but they should have counted as additional well,

497
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 1: one of them did count as an additional point for

498
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 1: Sando Martine in the second world should have as well.

499
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 1: And he just kept getting hit with that same punch,

500
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: And that makes me wonder what he's being told in

501
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 1: the corner, why he's not making those adjustments to uh,

502
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 1: to stop that from happening, because it just happened time

503
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 1: after time. No, Sando Martine in Atlanta, ton of punches

504
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,160
Speaker 1: in the fight, but that fight, that punch in particular

505
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 1: was his money punch in the fight, and tia Fimo

506
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 1: should have figured out a way to combat that. And

507
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 1: that's I think some of what he's referring to and saying,

508
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 1: we have work to do, because he came into the

509
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 1: fight he had told me and he told other people that,

510
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 1: you know, I do well with south ball, they do

511
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 1: great with south pauws, which, of course, Vassilio Machenko is

512
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 1: a south paw. Diegel Magdalanos a south paull who was

513
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,640
Speaker 1: waiting past his prime at that point he beat up. Now,

514
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 1: not every southpaw fights the same way, as we found

515
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 1: out the other night, and and credit to sand Or Martine.

516
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 1: It's not the most appealing style. It's not something people

517
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 1: are gonna want to tune in to watch on any

518
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 1: kind of repetitive basis, but it's effective. He's boxing. Now.

519
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: Some people call it running to a female. Lopez calls

520
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 1: it running, but you know, he called it a master

521
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,479
Speaker 1: class of boxing, and in some ways it was. I mean,

522
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, you need to be somewhat

523
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: more aggressive, as you said, to win that type of fight.

524
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 1: But he boxed very well, and he fought through a

525
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,959
Speaker 1: damaged nose, which happened in the first round. He deserves

526
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: credit for that as well. I don't know if it

527
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,640
Speaker 1: was broken necessarily, but there was a clash of heads

528
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 1: in the first round, and his nose was all jacked

529
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 1: up for nine plus rounds, so he deserves some you know,

530
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 1: it's not only what ta female Lopez did not do.

531
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: It's some of what sand Or Martine did and deserves

532
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,239
Speaker 1: credit for that. It was a difficult fight. It's not

533
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 1: a fight any of us are gonna want to see again,

534
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 1: so please, I hope no one thinks there should be

535
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 1: a rematch in any way, but but you know, maybe it,

536
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: you know, it gets people to fight Tiafimo Lopez. And

537
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: I think personally, I think he's gonna wind up fighting

538
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: Josh Taylor. I think they're going to keep him away

539
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 1: from Regis Prograe because progra is a big puncher. He's

540
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 1: an unorthodox uh south ball, he doesn't fight conventionally, he

541
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 1: doesn't fight anything like sand Or Martine, and he's still

542
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: in the prime of his career, and he beat down

543
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 1: Jose's a pay to I wouldn't pursue that fight if

544
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 1: I were them, and and it obviously makes more sense

545
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 1: for him to fight Taylor. If Taylor beats Cattera, which

546
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: is no foregone conclusion, and if he stays at a

547
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: hundred and forty pounds. Again, no foregone conclusion, but that's

548
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 1: the fight to make. That's easier to make because they're

549
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: both with top break and I'm sure Taylor will look

550
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 1: at the fight against sand Or Martin, so yeah, bring

551
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: Tia Fimo Lopez across the pond here and I'll beat

552
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: him up. Yeah. I think that is the way that

553
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: they're they're going to go. Um, it sounds like Regis

554
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: pro Gray and Jose Ramirez are are gonna get a

555
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 1: deal done someway or the other. It might have to

556
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 1: go to purse bid for that to happen, And I

557
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: don't know what the purse bid split is going to be.

558
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone knows at this point with the

559
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,640
Speaker 1: purse blad split is gonna be. But that sounds like

560
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,199
Speaker 1: it sounds at least possible. I've talked to people in

561
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: Ramier as his camp and they say, they want, uh

562
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: that fight. Um, yeah, I mean it's a sink or

563
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: swim fight against Taylor for sure. What worries me a

564
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: little bit about about fem Or two things. One, he's

565
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 1: now been dropped by two non punchers, right like Cambosis

566
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 1: is not a big puncher. Um and Sandra Martine is

567
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: certainly not a big puncher. Now, he was caught by

568
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 1: Martina a difficult angle. He was lunging in. Some of

569
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:28,479
Speaker 1: that had to do with balance, but he was dropped,

570
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: and he was legitimately dropped in the first round by

571
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 1: George Cambosis in that fight. So I start to wonder

572
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 1: about his chin as we go into bigger fights with

573
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 1: bigger punchers. The other thing is kind of his mental space, right,

574
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 1: Like you go back a year ago and I was

575
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 1: in those fighter meetings you were around Tafimo. He was

576
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: not in a good place. Like a lot had to

577
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: do with what was going on in his personal life.

578
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: He was dealing with family issues. He had just had

579
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 1: a baby. Weight issues professionally speaking were problematic for him.

580
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 1: So you know that was that. But then this fight

581
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: comes around and Taafemo seemed like he was in a

582
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: better place. But I'm listening to Tim Bradley do an

583
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: interview after the fight, and Bradley said something like the

584
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,479
Speaker 1: ta Femo we saw in our fighter meeting was not

585
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 1: the same guy we're used to seeing when it was

586
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 1: not that same kind of upbeat guy he was, he

587
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 1: felt Bradley felt like Lopez was going through some stuff.

588
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 1: So and Bradley knows the former fighter Hall of Famer.

589
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: Now I wonder I worry a little bit about where

590
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 1: he is mentally, and there's no way to kind of,

591
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 1: you know, project how to fix that. But I think

592
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: that's something to watch as his career moves forward. You know.

593
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: That's kind of my two cents. Yeah, you know, I

594
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: went to visit Ta Fema Lopez and training camp. He

595
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: was training in Jersey and about it's probably about eleven

596
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: days before the fight. I went down and I spent

597
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: the while. I was there for a couple of hours,

598
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: and I talked to him, you know, on and off

599
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: the record, and he seemed like he was in a

600
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: good place to me. You know, he's reconciled with his

601
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: wife and UM, and his son is back in his life.

602
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: You know, that's a that's a troublesome thing for for anyone.

603
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: You know, when you're when you're separated from your wife

604
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: and your and your son is not your you know

605
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: that that's tough. That's tough stuff, you know. Um, So

606
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: it seemed to me that he was in a good place,

607
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: you know, mentally going into the fight, but um, certainly

608
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: more so than he's that he would have been, although

609
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: I wasn't there for fight week because I was here

610
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: covering a fight, um when he fought George Cambosis, but

611
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: certainly in a better place mentally, um than he was

612
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: going into that fight. So the thing about his chin

613
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: that I would just say Chris is uh, I agree

614
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: with you. It's concerning because he's been down, you know,

615
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: three times, twice officially, but probably three times. Um. It

616
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: does seem to be a balance issue more than anything,

617
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: because he's getting these shots as he's lunging forward, he's

618
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: his feet are not placed in the right position, and

619
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: he has gotten right up each time. It never seemed

620
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: to me in each of those three instances that he

621
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: was really hurt. It just seemed like he went down

622
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,479
Speaker 1: to a gotch like more annoyed at himself than anything,

623
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: and then just right back into the fight. He did

624
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: not seem hurt against George camp Boss to me either. UM.

625
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: But you're right. I mean, it keeps happening, and that's

626
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: the thing you're going to have to fix. It's from

627
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: a strategic standpoint, from a fundamental standpoint, You're going to

628
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: have to fix those things because if you do that

629
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: against Josh Taylor. You know, maybe he puts you away.

630
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: Certainly if you do it against read his program, he's

631
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: gonna put you away. So uh yeah, those are things

632
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 1: that he needs to correct moving forward. And as you said,

633
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: probably not a bad idea. I don't know if the

634
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: situation with Joey Gamash is fixable and they can bring

635
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: him back, but bring another voice back into his corner,

636
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: because that certainly seems to be needed. Whatever he was

637
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: doing going into the Lomachenko fight, Do that bring the

638
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: same people back into your life in that one, because

639
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: that was your career defining performance and you want to

640
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: get back to being that fighter. Uh once again? All right,

641
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: let's talk about a fight that happened just a couple

642
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: of days ago. In a way, the now undisputed champion

643
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: at eighteen pounds after stopping Paul Butler in the eleventh round.

644
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: Not surprising Paul Butler took the fight. Didn't really seem

645
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: like he was coming to in the fight. Um had

646
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: a survival strategy. I guess he was. He was on

647
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: the move a lot. He was in good shape. I'll

648
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: give him that. He stayed on the move for the

649
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: majority of eleven rounds. In a way eventually catches up

650
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: to him. I don't really want to talk about the

651
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: fight itself because it was so one side. It was

652
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: ten rounds the NNE before in a way blast them

653
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: out of there in the eleventh round in a way.

654
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: Now moves to a d and twenty two pounds or

655
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: will move pounds? Um? Start here? Do you think how

656
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: dominant he was at one eighteen can carry over to

657
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: a higher weight class. Yeah, it depends on how well

658
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: he carries his power, which I think he will because

659
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: he's a pretty big puncher. You know, he's you know,

660
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: he's uh, he's the monster for a reason. For sure.

661
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: There are good fights for him at one two. But

662
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: guys are moving up as well, you know, like it

663
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: looks like Steven Fulton is going to move you know,

664
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: the guys are are are advancing and weight so, um,

665
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: you know, Acmdaliev is there as titles there, there are

666
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: interesting fights for him, you know. Um, but yeah, but

667
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: what there's nothing left for him to accomplish an eighteen

668
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: pounds right? So what you know they were remember there

669
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: were people last year or whenever. Oh would love to

670
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: see him fight Chocolate Team. No, no, no, no, no, no,

671
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: no, no no mind, Like what are you trying to get

672
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: talk Latto killed? I mean, you know that's exactly what

673
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: would happen. So so there's nothing really there for him

674
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,959
Speaker 1: in that way class or anyone coming up from you know,

675
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: one fifteen that would be an appealing fighting anyway as

676
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: far as I can tell. So, um, yeah, so it's

677
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: time for him to move up and then what kind

678
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: of fights can they make? Can you get the champions?

679
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: And you know, we'll see, But that's where he needs

680
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: to go, I mean, because there's nothing left for him

681
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: to accomplish a Phantomly, yeah, I think that Stephen Fulton

682
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: would fight him. Um sounds like based on some of

683
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: his social media posts, he's interested in coming back down

684
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: and fighting him, defending his titles. I think the challenge

685
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: there is getting fault into Japan frankly, because you know this,

686
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: like in a way, it makes a lot of money

687
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: over there, like millions fighting over there almost doesn't matter

688
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: who he fights. Sometimes he makes a lot of money

689
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: in that market more probably then he would make fighting

690
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: on ESPN or showtime over here. So can I see

691
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: a PBC fighter going to Japan to take on in

692
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: a way I don't know, I don't know if I

693
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: see that. I think that's gonna be a big challenge

694
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: for that fight. I think Aquadali would do it. Achmadalai

695
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: has no fan base anywhere, so he can go wherever.

696
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: His problem right now is that he's got another mandatory,

697
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: which I think is his thirty six mandatory in the

698
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: last three years. There's a purse bid for that. I

699
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: think next week it's the ib F I believe, and

700
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to take care of that mandatory. But

701
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: if he gets through that, and maybe the timing winds

702
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: up good here. If he gets through his mandatory, Um

703
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: in a way, moves up gets one fight to get

704
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: used to it. It's a pretty big fight the middle

705
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: of next year. And like I said, I don't think

706
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: Achmadali would blink about going over to Japan to fight now.

707
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: In a way, yeah, I think the Acamadala of option

708
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: is more realistic than Fulton, because I'm not saying Fulton

709
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: doesn't want to fight. From a business standpoint, there are

710
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: a multitude of reasons why it won't happen UM, and

711
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: I do think that he's going to settle in a

712
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty six pounds and just stay there because

713
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: it's hard to make. I mean, he's a he's a

714
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 1: tall kid for the weight class, and it's not easy

715
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: to make a hundred and twenty two pounds, and uh,

716
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: you know, he himself wants to fight out, but that's

717
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: the fight he wants. He wants to become the fully

718
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 1: unified champion. For whatever reason, it hasn't happened. So you know,

719
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: of course, in a way, is A is a big

720
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: star in Japan and he's arguably you know, some people

721
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 1: have number one pound for pound two three or whatever.

722
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: That's a bigger fight for Stephen Fulton. But the more

723
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 1: meaningful fight to him is fighting Akmadaliev for full supremacy

724
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: in the hundred and twenty two pound division. But that

725
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like it's going to happen. He has plenty

726
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: of options at a hundred and twenty six pounds if

727
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: he moves up. In the PBC universe, there's a rematch

728
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 1: with Brandon figure Rowa, which I think people would really

729
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: want to see um, and I think that's more the

730
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: direction he's gonna wind up going. You know what, in

731
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: terms of which fight I think is more aesthetic pleasing.

732
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: Actually think Akadali of against in a way would be

733
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: a better television fight. Um Acumadalia is a talented guy

734
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: who can crack like he's and I think he'd be aggressive.

735
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: I think he throws some punches. I think he would

736
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: really test in a way in a fight. So I

737
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: kind of hope that in a way gets a fight

738
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: early next year Acadal gets a fight, and then middle

739
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: of next year we get those two guys clashing for

740
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,280
Speaker 1: two versions of two pound title. All right, a couple

741
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: of things I want to finish with. Um. We had

742
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: a purse bid just a couple of days ago for

743
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: virgin Lortiz and standy Onis Golden Boy. Surprisingly to me anyway,

744
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: they won that purse bid uh two point three million,

745
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: one point seven of which uh standy Onis gets because

746
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: of some interesting rule by the w b A to

747
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: give of the purse bid to standy Onis. Um. It

748
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 1: sounds like this fight is gonna get made, probably in

749
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: late February or early March. Are you surprised that we're

750
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 1: going to get a fight between two guys that are

751
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 1: outside of Spencing Crawford at or near the top of

752
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: a hun pound of division. Somewhat surprised because you would

753
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: expect that stan Jonas would have tried, even though he's

754
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: kind of sort of a PBC fighter. He you know

755
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: that he's staying in the PBC universe. You know, you

756
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: would think he would do that. Um, And they did

757
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: try to do that. I mean, there was a while

758
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: when Geron Ennis was convinced that he was the one

759
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: who was gonna fight stan Yonis. In my opinion, that's

760
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 1: an unwinnable fight for stan Jonas, as good as he

761
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: proved them to be. Um. I think Virgil Ortiz will

762
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: beat him as well. But but I do see some

763
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: vulnerability and Virgil Orties that I have not yet to

764
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: see in Geron Ennis. That leads me to believe that

765
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: san Jonas has a better chance to win that fight

766
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 1: than he would if he would have thought Ennis it's

767
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: a good fight. Um. Look, in this case, it's probably

768
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 1: one of those instances, Chris, were the w ba's nonsense

769
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: actually created something positive, because we would not have seen

770
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: stan Yonas fight Virgil Orties and Ortiz has fought Cavalaska's.

771
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: He's thoughts of decent opponents, but this would probably be

772
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: the best opponent of his career, would would be the

773
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: best opponent of his grips and defeated guy who looked

774
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 1: very good against Utayev, who's you know, strong and can punch,

775
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,959
Speaker 1: and it's a good fight. So you know, I hope

776
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 1: it happens. And um, you know, Virgil Ortiz is getting

777
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: the short end of the money, but it's about the opportunity.

778
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: Although this w b A title should not exist, it

779
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: gives him some leverage in his own pursuits of welterweight

780
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: title shots. And you know, I think a lot of

781
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: people hope because we don't really see Terence Crawford or

782
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: Errol Spence fighting Virgil Ortiz or Geron Ennis that eventually,

783
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,959
Speaker 1: assuming they can remain at welterweight, that that's the fight.

784
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 1: Jeron Ennis saying that people have been talking about it

785
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: for a while now, Geron Ennis against Virgil Ortiz, so

786
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: this would put Ortiz in good position to try to

787
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: make that fight happen. I spoke to Ennis about this

788
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: last week and has said, Look, everyone wants to see

789
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: the Ortis fight. I'd love to make it happen. I

790
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: hope that's the fight for me. He goes, but I

791
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: kind of see stan Jonis Ortiz as a fifty fifty fight.

792
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if either guy won, and then

793
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: I would just want to fight the winner. But but

794
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: to answer your question, Chris, I yes, I'm surprised somewhat

795
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: that it's happening, but wasn't le surprised, And let's just

796
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,439
Speaker 1: hope it moves forward and it's a really good fight

797
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: in the first quarter of between two young, undefeated guys.

798
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: That's what we want, maybe to a lesser degree, but

799
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: we're getting that on Saturday night here in things. Yeah,

800
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 1: I think this Ortiz Danny Onis is is a can't

801
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: miss type of fight. Like it's two guys, as you said,

802
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 1: they can crack aggressive. You know, it's it's it's excellent

803
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: and like credit to I mentioned credit to Golden Boy

804
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: and Ortiz's team. Um, I do think they'll be able

805
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 1: to make up some money for Ortiz, whether the Zone

806
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: gooses it a little bit too to make Ortiz happy

807
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 1: or look, they go to Texas, they could probably do

808
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: half a million dollar gait if they work hard down there.

809
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,760
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's that's reasonable as Ortiz has grown

810
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: as a as a star kind of in that that area. Um,

811
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: but they like when talking to people around Ortiz, like

812
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: they want to get him that belt. Yeah it's a

813
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: fake belt, but they don't believe Spence is going to fight,

814
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: you know him if he's ordered to, like they're they're thinking,

815
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: is that that w B a belt? He'll eventually get

816
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: elevated to the full champion at w B. A same

817
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: thing with Boots Tennis. Like, you know, he's not. Spence

818
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: is not gonna fight Ennis. He's gonna wait for Crawford

819
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: or move up to you know, he's been talking about

820
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: moving up so then we'd get you know, full title

821
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: holder or tease full title holder Ennis. My hope is

822
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: and I talked to Ennis about this as well. I

823
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: just don't want to get on the same merry go

824
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: around we've been getting on with previous welter weights. I mean,

825
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: whether you go back to Mayweather and Packiau circling each

826
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 1: other for five years, Spence Crawford's still circling each other. Um,

827
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 1: I mean, are we about to do the same thing?

828
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,760
Speaker 1: Do you think? Or is there any kind of reason

829
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 1: to be optimistic that or Tease and Ennis would fight

830
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: sooner than that. I guess the other welter weights out there,

831
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: you know, hopefully that merry go around would last a

832
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,879
Speaker 1: little uh not as long as some of these other ones,

833
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,280
Speaker 1: but but they it will go on to some degree

834
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: because they're gonna fight, you know, make a mandatory defense

835
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: or whatever. My point is, as if he beat stan

836
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 1: Jonis and when Geron and his beats the crap out

837
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: of whatever his name is, um, they will eventually, as

838
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,439
Speaker 1: you said, eventually be elevated to full champions and then

839
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: you know, hopefully within two years they would fight each other.

840
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: Is that that's probably a realistic timetable. But the other

841
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:24,479
Speaker 1: thing is as these guys grow, Chris and where teams

842
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: I believe it's twenty four, they can't be expected to

843
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: stay at welterweight forever. You know, Spence has been a

844
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 1: welterweight his entire career. Crawford obviously moved up from lightweight

845
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 1: uh in one world titles at thirty five and forty

846
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: before he got to welterweight, so he hasn't been a

847
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,240
Speaker 1: welterweight for his whole career or anything. But you can't

848
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 1: be you know, it's got to be hard for Spence,

849
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: particularly because he's made the mistake of blowing up and

850
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: weight between fights. It can't be easy for a guy

851
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 1: who's thirty two going on thirty three years old to

852
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: make that weight. He's you know, he's five nine and

853
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: a half, five ten whatever he is, and you know

854
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: it can't be easy at that point. So hopefully sooner

855
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: than later they would that fight would happen. Let's just

856
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: hope they keep winning and at least there's the possibility

857
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: of that fight, because that I would favor Ennis, of course,

858
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: But a fascinating fight is a beast offense, a lot

859
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,439
Speaker 1: of offense out of Virgil Lortise offense and skill out

860
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 1: of geron Enis. It's it's an unbelievable fight for both

861
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: those guys. Credit to your point, credit Spenceford being able

862
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: to make welter weight. This long guy fought the Olympics

863
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 1: at one two like he's been at for his entire

864
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: pro career. It's yeah, I don't blame him at all

865
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 1: for I want to move up and wait, so I

866
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: do think by like the middle of next year, last

867
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: quarter of next year, winner of Orties standy Otis will

868
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 1: be the full title holder there Boots will be a

869
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: full title ib F and then hopefully, you know, sayer

870
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: minds can prevail and we're not doing this all over

871
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 1: again at welter weight. All right, let's finish with the fight.

872
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: You're at. Terrific fight. Frank Martin Michael Rivera, two guys undefeated.

873
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: Martin is what seven? Michael Rivera is twenty or uh

874
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 1: they're both contenders. Um surprised we're getting this fight? Like

875
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: you know, this is This is a great fight for

876
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 1: people like you and me that that watch these guys

877
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: coming up. It doesn't have the broad mainstream appeal. It's

878
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: the kind of fight that, you know, to borrow Bob

879
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 1: Aaron phrase that promoters would let marinate under different circumstances.

880
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: Why let me ask us, why are they fighting? Like

881
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I'm not poo pooing it because

882
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: I'm glad it's happening, But why are these two guys

883
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: fighting right now at this stage of their career? Well, Chris,

884
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: that's a great question, particularly from Michelle Rivera standpoint, because

885
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: he's ranked number two by the w b A and

886
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 1: he's in position to get a title shot sooner rather

887
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: than later. Of course, he was hoping to fight Thank

888
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: Davis for another uh w b A title that should

889
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: not exist, but it would be a big fight for

890
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 1: Michelle Rivera to go fight Javonte Davis in a pay

891
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: per view event. So I was more surprised from his

892
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: standpoint that he took the fight because he's ranked by

893
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 1: all four. He's ranked by the ib F, w b A,

894
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: w BC and w B O has a very high

895
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: ranking with and he's he's six by the ib F.

896
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: He's in good position to to get a title eliminator

897
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: and this fight as an eliminator as well, not a

898
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: final eliminator or nothing, but but an eliminator. Um. So

899
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: I was more surprised that he took the fight because

900
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: he seems to have a little bit more to lose

901
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: than Frank Martin, who's only ranked by I think it's

902
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 1: the w B A. I think he's tenth by the

903
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: b A. But Frank Martin is uh in boxing fan.

904
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 1: Hardcore boxing fans had watched him somewhat in the shadows

905
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: come up here as some of his fights have been

906
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: televised by FS one Fox and then his last fight

907
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: against Jackson Marines was televised by Showtime. Frank Martin is

908
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 1: a very interesting guy, Chris, and that he only started

909
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 1: boxing when he was eighteen years old. He didn't walk

910
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: into a boxing gym until nine years ago. And look

911
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: where he is. He had fifty eight amateur fights in

912
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: a place where you know, boxing is not a hotbed.

913
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: He fought most primarily in Indiana. He raised in Fort Wayne, Indiana,

914
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 1: born in Detroit, raised there a little bit too, but

915
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 1: but moved to Indianapolis to start his amateur career. You know,

916
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 1: here too many fighters coming out of Annapolis. He now

917
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 1: obviously is trained by Spence's trainer, Derrick James and Dallas.

918
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: He's promoted by Errol Spence's company. Um. He's a very

919
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 1: humble guy, but in my opinion, one of the more

920
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: underrated fighters that I've seen in boxing over the last

921
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: couple of years, and has come a very long way

922
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: from someone who only started boxing nine years ago. Um.

923
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 1: I wasn't surprised that he took the fight as much

924
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: as I was from Rivera's perspective, because Frank Martin had said,

925
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: and Errol Spence said after he fought Jackson mary As

926
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: in the press conference, we will fight any lightweight that

927
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 1: is willing to take the fight, and that proved to

928
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: be true. It's a very good fight. It's a it's

929
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: a it's a hardcore boxing fans fight Chris obviously, um,

930
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 1: it's not gonna, you know, generate Jamel Charlo Brian Castaniol

931
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: type numbers on Showtime. But it's the type of fight

932
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 1: that we want to see, and I give both guys

933
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: credit for taking it because it's a high risk fight

934
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 1: at this point in their careers. I wish more fighters

935
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 1: would do this type of thing, but I think it

936
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:01,720
Speaker 1: is going to be a very interesting fight. I favor

937
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: Frank Martin, He's slightly favorite. I believe it's a two

938
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: to one favorite according to the oddsmakers. I think he'll

939
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: win the fight. But Michelle Rivera has proven to be

940
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: a very very capable boxer and again, lower profile fight,

941
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,280
Speaker 1: but a very very good fight that I think hardcore

942
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 1: boxing fans will really enjoy. I encourage people to watch it.

943
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: It's it's gonna be an excellent fight between two guys

944
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: that are quickly becoming names at one five. I'll say

945
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: this much, Keith, I will not no matter the outcome,

946
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: I will not criticize the loser, because you don't need

947
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: to see these guys in against inferior opponents anymore. I

948
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:36,760
Speaker 1: give them all the credit in the world for stepping

949
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: up and taking fights of this caliber despite them not

950
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 1: being as high profile or lucrative as maybe it would

951
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 1: have been a year from now if they had fought

952
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 1: some lesser guys real quick, Um, would you think of

953
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: Devin Haney kind of clapping back at top rank a

954
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: little bit over the last couple of days, Devin Haney,

955
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: Devin Hani wants the Lomachenko fight in March, right because

956
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: Devin Haynes is Muslim, he is planning to observe Ramadan,

957
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: and the way Haney is framing it, he believes top

958
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: rank wants the stage the fight it may, which he

959
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 1: believes because of you know, because of Ramadan would not

960
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: allow him to train properly for that fight. We know,

961
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: Devon Haney this is more likely than not being. It

962
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,720
Speaker 1: will be his last fight at a hundred thirty five pounds.

963
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: He struggles to make that weight. Anyway, What do you

964
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,399
Speaker 1: think of Devon Haney kind of you know, going at

965
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: top rank a little bit on social media. I was

966
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 1: surprised just because since he came to top rank, he's

967
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 1: been treated very well financially and otherwise they like at

968
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: King since he's come there. Uh, and the plan of

969
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 1: course all along the three fight plan was for him

970
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: to fight Loma Chanco. I understand what he's saying, but

971
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 1: he also has to remember that he's making four million

972
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: dollars plus to fight Loma Chanko, and they're going to

973
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: try to bring the fight where they're going to make

974
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: the most money. And if that means that the fight

975
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: is going to be admit what I would say to

976
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: try to appease Devon Haney because he's their fighter. Whether

977
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: he remains with top rank there after is anyone's guests,

978
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 1: but he is their fighter, um as is Loma Chenko.

979
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: He feels because loma Chenko has been with them longer,

980
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: that they're showing preferential treatment. All I would say to

981
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: that is, well, who do you think top rank? They're

982
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: never gonna say this out loud, but who would they

983
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 1: rather win the fight? The twenty four year old, undefeated,

984
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 1: fully unified lightweight champion or the thirty four year old

985
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: guy who's at the back end of his career and

986
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: you're not going to really be able to do much

987
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: with moving forward. I'm not saying that they want loma

988
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 1: Chenko to lose. I'm just saying from a business perspective,

989
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,439
Speaker 1: it would make more sense for him want to want

990
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: Devon Haney to win. Now of course you think that,

991
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 1: do you think that's true? Because I mean, I get

992
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 1: what you're saying, But like, there's gonna be competition for

993
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: Haney after this fight. I think Eddie Hearn is gonna

994
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: go back at him and try to resign him. And

995
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: there's some fondness there between the Haneys and Eddie Hearn

996
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: And if Loma Chenko were to win, it would set

997
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: up a pretty big fight between Loma Chanco, which of

998
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 1: course the Evenson before the end of the year. Like that,

999
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you get that if if

1000
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 1: you certainly don't get you of course Stevenson, But I

1001
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: don't know what the relationship would be with Devin Haney

1002
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: regardless of the outcome, despite moving forward, Well, they have

1003
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: to be wary, of course, or mindful that he might leave,

1004
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: of course, But there are other big fights if if

1005
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: Haney wins, there are other big fights in the top

1006
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: rank universe for him. You know. Obviously, Devin Haney against

1007
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: cour Stevenson's a fight people would want to see. And

1008
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: eventually they'll catch up to each other and being or

1009
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: Stevenson will catch up to him and be in the

1010
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: same weight class he goes to one forty. T Lopez

1011
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: is still there, Josh Taylor still you know, there are

1012
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: fights there for Devin Haney to be made UM if

1013
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: he remains with if he beats them Cheko and remains

1014
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: at Top Rank. And the one thing you'd have to

1015
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 1: say is he has been compensated. Well. Now, he was

1016
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: being overcompensated uh by match Room in his own because

1017
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: they had to. They had to pay the price to

1018
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,280
Speaker 1: do business with him and to get a young talented

1019
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: fighter like him on that platform and with match Room,

1020
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: so they overpaid to some degree. But he's been you know,

1021
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: Chris Hill have made somewhere By the time his first

1022
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: three fights with Top Rank will be completed, he'll have

1023
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: made somewhere around eleven million dollars. I mean, he's been

1024
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: treated pretty well. He's of course been exposed to a

1025
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: much greater audience on ESPN UM and they're hoping to

1026
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 1: put the Hany Lomachenko fight on ESPN, not on ESPN

1027
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: pay per view. I think, you know, that's the kind

1028
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: of fight that could draw between two and three million viewers,

1029
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: so you know his profile would expand in that way.

1030
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: But but you're right, Chris, and that it's always lurking

1031
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: in the back of their minds that Handy could leave

1032
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 1: top rank after he does have a good relationship with

1033
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: Eddie Um and he was treated well by his own

1034
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: to financially and otherwise. So it's always a possibility that

1035
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: he would leave. But I don't think there's I guess

1036
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: what I'm saying ultimately is I don't think there's some

1037
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: plot to wrong Devon Haney here. And then if you're

1038
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 1: going to be paid that kind of money, there are

1039
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 1: some things that you're gonna What I would say to

1040
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 1: just resolve all of this, Okay, if you feel like

1041
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: the fight being in May is not fair to you,

1042
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:01,879
Speaker 1: well and you'll fight in June or July, well, tell

1043
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: tell us what's fair and what to train in the

1044
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 1: right way, and we'll do that problem right. There are

1045
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,879
Speaker 1: no other restrictions later in the year. Now he can't

1046
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 1: come back and complain and say, oh, I want to

1047
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: fight to happen sooner. Look, look, they're making concessions on

1048
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,280
Speaker 1: your behalf to to make sure that you feel completely

1049
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: comfortable training for the fight and being as fully prepared

1050
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: as you can. You then can't complain that the fight's

1051
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:28,919
Speaker 1: happening too late. You can't have it both ways. So yeah,

1052
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:33,280
Speaker 1: I think with what I think about Hainey in his future,

1053
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:37,359
Speaker 1: one of the things I think about is Pro Gray

1054
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 1: and what comes up next for him. Um, if that

1055
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: fight goes to a purse bid, I would expect match

1056
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: Room to bid on it. I would Um. You know,

1057
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 1: match Room has had an interest in Progray perfectly, they

1058
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 1: were trying to do the program Hooker fight in the past.

1059
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,399
Speaker 1: I would expect match Room to bid on a Pro

1060
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,879
Speaker 1: Gray Ramirez fight if that fight went to a purse bid,

1061
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,359
Speaker 1: and that to me would be a sign that match Room,

1062
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 1: which doesn't really have a U S footprint anymore, do

1063
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 1: you think about it like that? Their top fighters in

1064
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 1: the US right now are women. Frankly, you've got Katie Taylor,

1065
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: who was still part of match Room USA. You've got

1066
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: Alicia baum Gardner who's there. They're gonna wind up doing

1067
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: a deal with the Manda Serranto for a fight in

1068
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: early February. They don't have a lot of male fighters.

1069
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: They've got bamb Rodriguez, They've got some of the smaller guys.

1070
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna get in the mix for for

1071
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 1: a pro Gray Ramires fight. I don't have any that's

1072
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: not based on anything I'm being told directly, but I

1073
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: think that if that went to a perse but it

1074
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 1: wouldn't surprise me to see match Room jump in and

1075
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,399
Speaker 1: then like, if you're in the program business and if

1076
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 1: you can beat Ramirez, all of a sudden, you're talking

1077
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: about a landscape at one forty at at the Zone,

1078
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: match Room, Golden Ball Universe, that makes sense to go

1079
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: out and and get Devon Hany because you can do

1080
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 1: a Devin Haney Reis Progray fight, you can do a

1081
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: Devon Haney Ryan Garcia fight. Um, there are some other

1082
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,240
Speaker 1: lesser known names might be available with the right price

1083
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: at one forty. So I just think that Program Ramirez

1084
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: fight is one to watch. Who walks away with the

1085
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: promotional rights for it? Because I had assumed when I

1086
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: was hearing that Ramire is going to take that fight

1087
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: that it would be definitely a top rank fight. I

1088
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: have been led to believe that's not necessarily the case

1089
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: moving forward, Keith, I think that there's a possibility somebody

1090
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:25,919
Speaker 1: else jumps in and wins promotional rights for that fight,

1091
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:28,879
Speaker 1: and Chris, as we've seen in the past top rank

1092
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: is more than willing to allow the zone to out

1093
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: either outfit. However, we'll let Jose Ramirez do that is

1094
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 1: benefited from that. No, that's exactly what I mean. Jose

1095
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 1: Ramirez when he was an undefeated world champion, they allowed

1096
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,479
Speaker 1: him to go fight on his own, no questions asked

1097
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,320
Speaker 1: against Maurice Hooker, and he made a lot of money.

1098
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: They might be more than willing to do that in

1099
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:50,320
Speaker 1: this case as well. And then they had that frees

1100
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: up more money for them to make other good fights

1101
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: on ESPN within their budget. So yeah, I wouldn't be

1102
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 1: surprised by that at all. Jose has got I think

1103
00:52:57,840 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: he's got a pretty big minimum. He's got a lot

1104
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: of he's own a lot of money. I think he

1105
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: said as much. I think he said Mattam was surprised

1106
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 1: at how much, uh how much he was gonna he

1107
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 1: was getting paid um from top ranks. So we'll see that.

1108
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 1: That's an excellent fight, and I think I think anyone

1109
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 1: should want to get in on that fight, especially someone

1110
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 1: like Eddie Hern who wants to make a name at

1111
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: one forty or start to get into one forty, because

1112
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: that's that's pretty much can't miss progreg at Samiras two

1113
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: elite guys. That's gonna be a fun fight one way

1114
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: or the other. Keith, enjoy your fun fight this weekend.

1115
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: Rivera against Martin terrific fight on showtime. I will not

1116
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 1: be there. I know you're shocked and disappointed. Won't be

1117
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: too out. The last three weeks will be side buddies.

1118
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: We'll take what we can get. Man, come on, you know.

1119
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: Good to see you my friend. Same here, Chris. I'll

1120
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: talk to you soon. Man, Thanks dude, appreciate it. See

1121
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 1: you soon. Thanks when we come back. My conversation with

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00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:55,480
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Speaker 1: official sports betting partner of the NFL. Alright Geron Boots

1144
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 1: Ennis is an undefeated hundred forty seven pound contender. On

1145
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,760
Speaker 1: January seven, he will attempt to win an interim title

1146
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:21,240
Speaker 1: when he takes on Karen shook Agen. I hope I

1147
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,879
Speaker 1: said that close to correctly. That's a fight that will

1148
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 1: take place on the undercard of Javante Davis's lightweight fight

1149
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:30,399
Speaker 1: against Tector Luis Garcia, and Boots Ennis joins me on

1150
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: the show. For the uninitiated, Boots the nickname where does

1151
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 1: it come from Uh, my nickname was originally books b

1152
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 1: O O P S. My My mom give me their

1153
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 1: nickname when I was little, and you know, when I

1154
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 1: was going to the gym, you know, playing around, everybody

1155
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: thought my dad was like saying, like boots like these shoes.

1156
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 1: We just kept stuck with it, so you know, I

1157
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 1: wanted up wind up turning out good? Little Did your

1158
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 1: mom know she was giving you your boxing nickname for

1159
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 1: life at that time? Um? Not your first time training

1160
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: for a fight over the holidays, and you did it

1161
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:13,359
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago for a January fight. Uh.

1162
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 1: How do you feel though about having to kind of

1163
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 1: watch your weight over Christmas? I mean I feel agree.

1164
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 1: I'm still eating. I'm still eating and everything I'm supposed

1165
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:25,879
Speaker 1: to be doing and nothing change. You know, I don't

1166
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 1: know how to give my weed all right, you know

1167
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 1: the right way, So you know, I'm not too worried

1168
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,959
Speaker 1: about the howdy I still eat? Is there something though

1169
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,839
Speaker 1: on the Christmas dinner table that you're like, you know,

1170
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 1: if I wasn't training, I would have this. I'm I'm eating.

1171
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,839
Speaker 1: I'm eating. I gotta eat, you gotta eat lose weight.

1172
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,720
Speaker 1: I'm eating. It's nice to be in your mid twenties.

1173
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 1: That because nice, but everything off. I'm curious for a

1174
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: guy like you favorite Christmas movie to watch over the holidays.

1175
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 1: M h and any Home Alone that's good. That's good. Good.

1176
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 1: That's a different generation. That's even a generation almost before

1177
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: me like that. That goes way back. Yeah, all the

1178
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 1: Home Alone, I think they're good. I love him. What

1179
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 1: got you into Home Alone? Uh? Oh? I think one

1180
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 1: day I just turned it on. It was on, and

1181
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: I ever said, I've just been watching all the Home

1182
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: Alone for them? Oh no, not all four. You watched

1183
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: two and then stop like once colleague Bulking exits, then

1184
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: you're you're out. Now watch I still like the other

1185
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 1: ones too, They're not too bad. That's that's dedication. Man.

1186
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 1: I can't bring myself to watch one of them without Macaulaum.

1187
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 1: That's tough. That's tough for me. Um. We're wrapping up

1188
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 1: two and you'll only have one fight this calendar. The year, Uh,

1189
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: two thousand twenty you had three two one you had

1190
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 1: to this year you were down to one. What has

1191
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: this year been like for you? How would you describe

1192
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 1: what it's been? I mean, this year, this year have

1193
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 1: been great, even though I only got you know, I

1194
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 1: won't fight in because you know, you know Crawford and

1195
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: we we're trying to figure out what Crawford and Especial

1196
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 1: was gonna do. You know, it was holding it up

1197
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 1: a little bit. So I mean, but it is what

1198
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 1: it is. You know, I won't fight this year, but

1199
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: we're gonna be able for three next year. So that's

1200
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 1: the google. So you know I've heard you say that

1201
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 1: before the Crawford Spence held things up for your father

1202
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 1: say it before? What does that really mean? Has it

1203
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 1: been like you know, if you were kind of hoping

1204
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 1: it either happened or one of them would vacated title?

1205
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 1: What were how did it hold up your career? Like

1206
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 1: just basically hoping they would they would fight or whatever. See,

1207
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 1: you know, see what was going on. That's everybody, you know,

1208
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:50,919
Speaker 1: all the three seven founders was waiting around to see

1209
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 1: what they was gonna do. So nobody really wanted to

1210
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 1: engage anything until they found out what Crawford and Spencer

1211
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 1: was gonna do. So once they figured out what what

1212
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 1: they was gonna do, everybody started going in different ways

1213
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 1: and different things like that. So and that's originally was

1214
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 1: supposed to fight in like November or something like that,

1215
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 1: and then I was supposed to fight in December. Then

1216
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 1: we wanted up be in a call for the pay review,

1217
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 1: so I was like, I was like, well not that's

1218
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 1: that's even better, you know, uh. And he was trying

1219
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 1: to get a solid opponent, you know, a great opponent,

1220
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: and originally, hey, stand you onis like then and I

1221
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 1: think the w W a mind up making a like

1222
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 1: a order or something like that for him or ties.

1223
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 1: So you know, they gotta fight now. But you know,

1224
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 1: hopefully we get the winner winner that you know, or

1225
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 1: or or or or or but in uh spence too,

1226
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 1: so we don't still matter why. You know, I've heard

1227
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 1: you say before that you wanted Standing on Us wasn't

1228
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 1: about fighting an opponent. The caliber of standing Onus was

1229
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 1: the fact that he had a secondary title. Why did

1230
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 1: you want that fight specifically? I feel like that was

1231
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 1: the best next option because he was trying to get

1232
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 1: keep Derman and he wasn't available. You know, Stanton is

1233
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 1: a great fight, you know, why not fighting youness? You

1234
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 1: got about you know, uh, you know, and been on

1235
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 1: a beautiful show you know for the fans, you know,

1236
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 1: and shine and show these guys that I'm gona real

1237
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 1: do Yeah, I'm sure, like like most of us, you

1238
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 1: started to believe for a while the Crawford Spence was

1239
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 1: going to get done. When it fell apart in late October,

1240
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 1: what was your reaction, Uh, I was, I didn't know,

1241
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 1: I didn't know what this but honestly, I don't know.

1242
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 1: Like I was like, they probably will never fight if

1243
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 1: they didn't fight this year, but I don't know. Hopefully

1244
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 1: do fight next year, and I mean, if not, you know,

1245
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 1: as an opportunity for me to fight one of them,

1246
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 1: you know, uh, you know, hopefully you know we can

1247
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 1: make it heaven? What do you think deep down though?

1248
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 1: Like I you know, you're fighting for the ib F

1249
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 1: interim title, which presumably would mean that, you know, Errol Spence,

1250
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 1: if he doesn't fight Crawford, would have to fight you

1251
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 1: in order to maintain that title. I personally, Boots, don't

1252
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 1: don't really believe either of those guys will you, because

1253
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 1: you're You're too talented and the risk is not worth

1254
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 1: the reward. I think Spence and or Crofford were more

1255
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 1: likely move up before they face you. Is realistically, do

1256
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 1: you think either one of those guys would get in

1257
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 1: the ring with you. I mean they two grow them

1258
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 1: in and he's getting nobody, and I feel like they

1259
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 1: both would get in the ring with me. You know,

1260
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 1: it's only it's only a matter of you know, making

1261
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 1: an amount if they want to fight me or not,

1262
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:26,920
Speaker 1: like you know, right after it. So you know, I

1263
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 1: feel like specified me and I feel like if I mean,

1264
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 1: you know, hopefully we can make if I haven't, you know,

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01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 1: take them boat from them. Yeah, look it's it's a

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01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 1: great fight. Um, you know. I I do find interesting

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01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 1: the IBF is ordering an interim title when technically Spence

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01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 1: doesn't even have a fight yet. We haven't even like that.

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01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:46,479
Speaker 1: Was there a part of you that, you know, thought

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01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 1: that maybe you would get a mandatory order to fight

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01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:53,920
Speaker 1: Errol Spence? What what what the interim boat not without

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Speaker 1: like even with because you know Spence, we all think

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01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 1: he's gonna fight Keith thurmant we assume he's gonna fight

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01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 1: Keith Thurman. But yeah, it's still not done yet. And

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Speaker 1: I just found an interest in the ib F created

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01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 1: an interim title when their actual title holder didn't have

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Speaker 1: a fight book yet. You know, I mean, I definitely

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01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 1: I do think this. I think they're gonna fight. I'm

1279
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 1: gonna keep them in, gonna fight, and uh, I mean,

1280
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Speaker 1: and I feel like I'll be next in line. You know,

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01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 1: there's boats gonna put me right there where I need

1282
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 1: to be. You know, it's giving me that extra boost,

1283
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 1: you know, hit me right there. You know, I fight

1284
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 1: any any any guy that got about next after this.

1285
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Speaker 1: If it's not Aero Spence, it'd be you know, Crawford

1286
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 1: standing honest or whoever when I standing est or tease,

1287
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Speaker 1: you know, any one of those guys. It certainly makes

1288
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 1: you unavoidable and puts you in a position soon to

1289
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:40,920
Speaker 1: have the full version exactly that is falling right and

1290
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 1: right in the place, right in the line. You know,

1291
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Speaker 1: everything going I was supposed to be going. All I

1292
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 1: gotta do is handle handled business Jenry seven, which y'all

1293
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 1: will do. Um, let me ask you first, how does

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01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 1: how do you see these standing owners Ortisse fight going? Um,

1295
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 1: that's a great fight. That's a fight, you know, Uh,

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01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 1: two great fighters. You know, need want to have them

1297
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 1: gonna back up. I feel like they're gonna be in

1298
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 1: in the pocket the whole time. You know, whoever gonna

1299
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 1: be in the best shape, that's who gonna win. It

1300
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 1: is a great fight. Um yeah, I probably favor Ortiz

1301
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 1: a little bit that maybe because I see a lot

1302
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 1: more of his fights than I do with standy Onis,

1303
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 1: with him fighting so often on his own. But you know,

1304
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 1: welterweight Geron has been it's one of those divisions that

1305
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 1: has not given us kind of what we wanted in

1306
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 1: the last ten or fifteen years. We did get Patiel

1307
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 1: Mayweather eventually, but it was past it's kind of sell

1308
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 1: by date. We still haven't golf and gotten Crawford versuspense

1309
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 1: like can you sit there right now? And if Ortiz wins,

1310
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:40,120
Speaker 1: like can you are you? Are you sure that you

1311
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 1: will get a fight against Virgil Lorties? Not next maybe,

1312
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 1: but in the next eighteen months of next year most definitely.

1313
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 1: I feel like that's the that's one of the biggest

1314
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:54,200
Speaker 1: fights in boxing. Whoever went out of you know or

1315
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 1: tease or so you know that that's definitely one of

1316
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 1: the biggest fighting boxing. I feel like that can definitely

1317
01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 1: hap within the year or six months that it happened next.

1318
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 1: For it was up to me, it will happen next.

1319
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 1: But you know, people gonna go different ways and try

1320
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 1: to move around. But I feel like it was up

1321
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 1: to me. You know, I make anything happen, the best

1322
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 1: fights possible. Yeah, and you've created it seems like some

1323
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:21,280
Speaker 1: flexibility there. You've you've taken some risks in your career

1324
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 1: by going somewhat independent. You've got a Showtime deal, which

1325
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 1: has been great for you, I'm sure, but do you

1326
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 1: feel like you're you have a level of independence to

1327
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 1: kind of push for certain fights to happen. I feel

1328
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 1: like it was definitely a shout out the Showtime appreciated them,

1329
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 1: you know, they always you know, looking out for me

1330
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 1: and put me in right position things like that, and

1331
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:43,200
Speaker 1: I feel like they banging me. I'd never sent whatever

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01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 1: fight that I want. Once I, you know, get a

1333
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 1: vote or or anybody else that I want to fight,

1334
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 1: they will beg me and you know, let me get

1335
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 1: those fights and things like that whoever I want. I'm already.

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01:04:56,600 --> 01:05:00,480
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you like I'm you know, after January seventh,

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01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 1: and then if Orties beat Dandy Onis in February March,

1338
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 1: I am just gonna lead the bandwagon for Ennis Orties

1339
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:10,240
Speaker 1: in that. Like I'm telling you, man, I've been like

1340
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 1: peeking for that fight a little bit over the last

1341
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 1: year year and a half. But if both of you

1342
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Speaker 1: guys are either a title holder like you will be

1343
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 1: on some level in January and Ortiz will be a

1344
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 1: secondary title holder. But I don't look, I don't think

1345
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 1: either Crawford Orpense is gonna fight or Tse either. Frankly,

1346
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 1: but if you two guys are suddenly the men in

1347
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:31,959
Speaker 1: a hundred seven pound division, that can't be a fight

1348
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 1: we wait like five years for in a different weight class.

1349
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 1: It just can't be. It's too good a fight between

1350
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 1: two fighters that are just too talented, who can draw crowd,

1351
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:42,720
Speaker 1: who can you know, put butts in seats in Texas

1352
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 1: or California or the Northeast wherever you decide all the

1353
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 1: fight like that. I mean, that's just a massive show, right.

1354
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 1: I think it's big show, a great show, you know. Uh,

1355
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 1: I feel like that that make a lot of money.

1356
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 1: You know a lot of people will be excited to

1357
01:05:55,880 --> 01:06:00,120
Speaker 1: see that. You know. Yeah, last question for you, what

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01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 1: what what do you what do you kind of trying

1359
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 1: to show in this fight coming up on January seven?

1360
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:07,280
Speaker 1: You're fighting guy's pretty good but relatively unknown, but you're

1361
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:09,919
Speaker 1: fighting on a big stage. I mean, Geronte Davis that

1362
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:11,919
Speaker 1: that building is probably gonna be sold out. It's gonna

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Speaker 1: do a decent number, I'm sure on pay per view.

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Speaker 1: This feels like a good opportunity for you to show

1365
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:18,439
Speaker 1: out in a fight like this. How do you feel

1366
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:21,920
Speaker 1: going into this fight? I feel I feel great. You know,

1367
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 1: it's it's only and watch it. Watch it the DC,

1368
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 1: so you know that's that's right down the roof for

1369
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,760
Speaker 1: the Philly you know, the hopefully gonna be in the

1370
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Speaker 1: building in Jersey Delaware. Everybody's gonna be in the building.

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01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 1: So you're just gonna be like me fighting at home basically,

1372
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:36,440
Speaker 1: you know, and I can't wait, you know, if you're

1373
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 1: on a beautiful show, you know, getting get a beautiful knockout,

1374
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:41,920
Speaker 1: you know, in front of my friends and family. You know,

1375
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:43,919
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm gonna go out there and show me,

1376
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 1: you know, just me being me, you know, being being smart,

1377
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 1: you know, picking my shots, putting their pressure on, you know,

1378
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:53,920
Speaker 1: getting that knock out, looking good, showing my defense a

1379
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 1: little bit, you know, uh, having fun and become a

1380
01:06:56,840 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 1: victorious with a knockout. But I'm glad to see it

1381
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 1: back in the mixture on. You're one of the biggest

1382
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:04,240
Speaker 1: best young stars at all of boxing, And I apologize

1383
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 1: in advance for filling up your timeline with like ortiz Ennis,

1384
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:08,920
Speaker 1: like hashtags and ship like that, because that's just that's

1385
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 1: just gonna be me for most of three If I

1386
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 1: don't if that fight is on the table, I don't

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01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 1: mind it. I'm retreated. Good to talk to you, man.

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01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 1: Good luck going on January seven. All right, thank appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: When we come back. This week's picks brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Fan Duel. Alright, time now for this week's picks,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by our friends over at fan Duel.

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Speaker 1: This week, I am looking at a very competitive fight

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Speaker 1: in Las Vegas, Frank Martin Michelle rivera hundred thirty five

1394
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:42,479
Speaker 1: pound fight, great matchup between two of the better young

1395
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 1: fighters in the lightweight division, and a fight where the

1396
01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 1: winner will absolutely take a big step forward and be

1397
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:52,360
Speaker 1: looking at a world title shot sometime in two thousand

1398
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 1: and twenty three. Frank Martin is favored in this fight

1399
01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:59,360
Speaker 1: minus two eighty right now over at Fan Duel. I

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01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:02,880
Speaker 1: wouldn't take that bet, that's not Those are great odds

1401
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:04,920
Speaker 1: minus two eighty for Frank Martins almost three to one

1402
01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 1: at this point. I like Frank Martin to win. But

1403
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 1: the best bet I like in this fight is Frank

1404
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:14,919
Speaker 1: Martin by knockout. He's got two straight knockouts, including one

1405
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 1: over Jackson Marinez, who is a solid fighter. A very

1406
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:21,719
Speaker 1: good win, a very good knockout win for Frank Martin.

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01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 1: I think Frank Martin is the real deal. He's twenty

1408
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 1: four years old, he's been part of Errol Spence's stable

1409
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 1: for some time. He's trained by Derrick James. I think

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01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:33,720
Speaker 1: he's got that knockout power in him, and I think

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01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 1: he wins this fight by knockout. So take Frank Martin

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01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 1: by knockout plus one over at fan Duel. That's the

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Speaker 1: pick I like. That's the method of victory that I like.

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Speaker 1: Frank Martin by knockout. That's my pick. Brought to you

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Speaker 1: by fan Duel. That's it for this week's episode. My

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Speaker 1: thanks to Keith Idec and Jeron Enis for joining the show.

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Speaker 1: As always, subscribe, rate review this podcast on Apple, podcast, Spotify,

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Speaker 1: wherever you download podcast, and I'll see you next week.