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Speaker 1: The Charlie Kirk Show starts now.

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Speaker 2: I won the young people by thirty seven percent, and

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Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk will tell you TikTok helped. But Charlie Kirk

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Speaker 2: helped also. Oh, he just happens.

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Speaker 3: To be here. Look at it.

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Speaker 2: He loves that we mentioned that name, right, Shary. He's

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Speaker 2: done great and I appreciate all the help. But with

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Speaker 2: young people, we won by thirty seven percent. Charlie and

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Speaker 2: you helped, but TikTok was amazing, and he was the

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Speaker 2: first one who said get on TikTok. So I have

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Speaker 2: a little bit of a warm spot.

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Speaker 4: There is nothing in the file at this point on

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Speaker 4: the Epstein case, and there's going to be a disclosure

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Speaker 4: on this coming shortly. We are working through some there

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Speaker 4: is that is something the public does.

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Speaker 3: A video of him killing them. No, no, not not

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Speaker 3: the actual act.

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Speaker 4: We are working on cleaning it up to make sure

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Speaker 4: you have an enhanced eiber and we're going to give

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Speaker 4: the originals so you don't think there were any shenanigans.

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Speaker 4: You're going to see there's no one there but him.

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Speaker 3: There's just nobody there.

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Speaker 5: Every time President Trump has tried to defund America, we've

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Speaker 5: had judicial overreach, and these tariffs are here to stay.

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Speaker 3: So anything that the stocks are reflecting, it's clearly going

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Speaker 3: to be wrong. Today.

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Speaker 1: This is exactly what the president is in charge to do.

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Speaker 3: He's the commander of chief. He should be setting trade policy.

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Speaker 6: Capitol Hill, House Republicans are escalating their pursuit of answers

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Speaker 6: about then President Biden's health and an alleged cover up

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Speaker 6: by those close to them.

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Speaker 3: Subpoenas are being prepared, and.

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Speaker 7: They could include the former president's family.

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Speaker 8: Chairman James Comer tells Fox the committee could even call

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Speaker 8: in former First Lady Jill Biden, the president's son Hunter,

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Speaker 8: and former White House Press Secretary Kareem Jehan Pierre.

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Speaker 4: So the moment Cash and I swore in, we realized

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Speaker 4: that the first thing we had to do is rebuild

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Speaker 4: public trust.

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Speaker 3: This is your FBI, it's not mine.

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Speaker 4: One of the ways to do it is these cases

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Speaker 4: of significant public interest that matter. You know, we had

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Speaker 4: two pipe bombs planted on January sixth. I mean we

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Speaker 4: were told by partisan actors out there this was the insurrection.

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Speaker 4: The world was going to fall apart, and no one

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Speaker 4: seemed to show any interest in this case.

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Speaker 3: Barbara has been a disaster.

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Speaker 2: They've taken five plus, by the way, five billion dollars plus,

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Speaker 2: and I'd rather see that money go to trade schools.

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Speaker 2: You could have the best trade schools anywhere in the world.

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Speaker 9: When I hear the FBI director saying, you guys are

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Speaker 9: finding boxes that are hidden, Okay, how does that happen?

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Speaker 4: In the bureau, there are people there who are really

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Speaker 4: horrified at what happened. And there was a room and

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Speaker 4: we found.

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Speaker 3: Stuff, a lot of a hidden room.

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't call it hidden, but hidden from us at

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Speaker 4: least I'm not mentioned to us. And then we found

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Speaker 4: stuff in there, and a lot of it's from the

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Speaker 4: Cone era. And we are working our right now at

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Speaker 4: the classifyings.

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Speaker 10: We have implemented a vigorous new visa policy that will

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Speaker 10: prevent foreign nationals from coming to the United States to

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Speaker 10: foment hatred against our Jewish community. We are holding international

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Speaker 10: organizations and nations accountable for rhetoric against Israel that resurfaces

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Speaker 10: in the manifesto of monsters.

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Speaker 11: We have been in the process of getting the most

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Speaker 11: important priority done, and that is the one big, beautiful bill,

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Speaker 11: the Reconciliation Bill, that is not just a proposal.

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Speaker 1: A budget is a proposal we are in the business.

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Speaker 11: Of actually passing law. It has one point six trillion

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Speaker 11: dollars in actual mandatory savers.

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Speaker 3: For the first time ever.

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Speaker 12: The President laid out a bold vision for the United States,

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Speaker 12: for America to reindustrialize the onshore manufacturing so that we

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Speaker 12: can have a more resilient supply chain, so that we

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Speaker 12: can create jobs locally, very importantly, so that we've become

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Speaker 12: great at manufacturing again at a time when manufacturing isn't

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Speaker 12: about labor, but it's about labor only, but it's about technology,

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Speaker 12: And so that vision's incredible.

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Speaker 13: At Turning Point USA, what we are doing every single day,

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Speaker 13: we are dedicating ourselves at our staff, at our students,

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Speaker 13: at our activists for a full revival of America.

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Speaker 15: Charlie kirksh every day is a battle for your mind.

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Speaker 15: Raging information coming from every angle, but the will to deceive.

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Speaker 3: Fear not.

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Speaker 15: You found a place for truth, the voice of a

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Speaker 15: generation that still has the will to believe in the

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Speaker 15: greatest country in the history of the world.

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Speaker 3: This is the Charlie kirk Show.

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Speaker 1: Fuck a lot.

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Speaker 3: Here we go on.

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Speaker 13: Okay, everybody, Radio stations across the country honored to be

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Speaker 13: with you. As always, we're here at the Bitcoin dot

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Speaker 13: Com Studio, live in beautiful Phoenix, Arizona. Yesterday I had

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Speaker 13: a very moving day and one that I don't take

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Speaker 13: for granted. Yesterday I was in the White House, which

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Speaker 13: thankfully I have been there a few times since President

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Speaker 13: Trump has won the election. But I was able to

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Speaker 13: visit what could be called the most sacred ground of

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Speaker 13: the American government, the place where so many decisions have

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Speaker 13: been made, where war has been waged, where the highest

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Speaker 13: decisions of the land culminates. I've been there a couple

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Speaker 13: times before, but visiting it yesterday was very moving.

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Speaker 1: And that, of course is the Oval Office.

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Speaker 13: Let's please show pictures of this guy's Walking into the

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Speaker 13: Oval Office and into the Cabinet room with President Trump

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Speaker 13: was overwhelming.

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Speaker 1: It was larger than life.

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Speaker 13: Every time I walk into the Oval Office, and it's

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Speaker 13: only been a couple times, it does take your breath away.

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Speaker 13: What President Trump has done with it is remarkable. It

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Speaker 13: has really turned into a museum. I got to see

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Speaker 13: the original copy of the Declaration of Independence. Amazing photos

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Speaker 13: lining the entire Oval from William Henry Harrison to James Polk.

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Speaker 13: In fact, when President Trump showing me around, he pointed

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Speaker 13: at James Poke and he says, you know, James Polk

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Speaker 13: is one of the most underrated presidents in history. He said, well,

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Speaker 13: tell me why, mister president. He says, well, he didn't

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Speaker 13: do much except he did add California and Texas, so

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Speaker 13: that's quite a legacy.

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Speaker 1: It's like I can see that, I can see the

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Speaker 1: gear is grinding. There.

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Speaker 13: There is a aura when you walk into the Oval Office,

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Speaker 13: and it was not lost on me how things have

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Speaker 13: changed so dramatically and how We should be filled with

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Speaker 13: gratitude and awe and wonder to Lord Almighty.

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Speaker 1: The mystique that you get.

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Speaker 13: When you enter into the Oval office, it is larger

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Speaker 13: than life. It is one that is sacred ground in

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Speaker 13: our nation. Today is Thursday May twenty ninth, exactly one

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Speaker 13: year ago today, President Donald Trump's jury deliberations started in

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Speaker 13: the criminal trial in New York. Exactly one year ago today,

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Speaker 13: President Trump was in what he called the ice bocks.

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Speaker 13: Remember they had quarantined President Trump where he could not

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Speaker 13: raise money, he could not travel the country, he could

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Speaker 13: not campaign. The trial begun. It began on April fifteenth,

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Speaker 13: twenty twenty four, and it ended on May thirtieth, twenty

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Speaker 1: I want you to think about where we were a

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Speaker 13: A year ago Biden was beating President Trump in many

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Speaker 13: of the polls. A year ago, our border was completely

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Speaker 13: and totally wide open. President Trump was largely gagged by

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Speaker 13: the judge. President Donald Trump turned those press gaggles into

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Speaker 13: campaign opportunities, which was incredibly impressive. Remember these famous pictures

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Speaker 13: of President Trump who had to sit through this ridiculous

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Speaker 13: Moscow show trial and the people on the left thought

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Speaker 13: they had him dead to rights. They thought the movement

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Speaker 13: which was only happening a year ago. Today it feels

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Speaker 13: the one year anniversary of when he's actually quote unquote

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Speaker 13: found guilty on the fake thirty four accounts. A year ago,

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Speaker 13: the media insisted that Biden was still totally healthy and

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Speaker 13: it was misleading videos and cheap fakes that were suggesting otherwise.

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Speaker 1: Now Jake Tapper is writing entire book on how the

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Speaker 1: media got it wrong.

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Speaker 13: How did President Trump ascend from facing seven hundred years

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Speaker 13: in federal prison, having to sit in the ice box

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Speaker 13: where the entire system crashed down upon him. I love

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Speaker 13: that picture. Can we go back the picture of Jady

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Speaker 13: Vance there? Please remember this is JD. Vance looking on

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Speaker 13: President Trump before he was chosen as vice president of

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Speaker 13: that picture. We should get that picture framed in our

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Speaker 13: office because very few US senators I think I see

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Speaker 13: the great Timmy Tubberville there, but few US senators actually

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Speaker 13: visited President Trump when he was in trial.

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Speaker 1: Jady Vance did.

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Speaker 13: Here's just some of the media commentary of what was

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Speaker 13: happening a year ago. There were cheers in the Biden

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Speaker 13: headquarters when President Trump was found to be a felon.

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Speaker 13: Remember we were still running against Joe Biden a year ago.

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Speaker 5: Our team has heard that there were cheers inside the

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Speaker 5: Biden headquarters in Wilmington as the verdict was read. Look,

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Speaker 5: President Biden has been very careful in the last weeks

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Speaker 5: not to comment on this trial. That I have been

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Speaker 5: told will now change now that we have a verdict. Obviously,

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Speaker 5: these guilty verdicts are a political gift to Democrats, a

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Speaker 5: a convicted felon.

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Speaker 1: They really thought it was going to work.

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Speaker 13: They were all in on, hey, we can now change

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Speaker 13: the title on his driver's license, convicted felon, President Donald Trump.

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Speaker 13: They spent millions to try to get that SoundBite. Convicted felon.

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Speaker 13: Remember when James Comy was saying they could accommodate the

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Speaker 13: out there, there's got to be a way to do

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Speaker 13: this security wise. A year ago, our movement was still

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Speaker 13: in the wilderness, but we had a leader, and we

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Speaker 13: I was so thankful for all of you that stood

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Speaker 13: by this program and were in the trenches the last

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Speaker 13: couple of years. Not just was President Trump on trial

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Speaker 13: a year ago, think about three years ago. Think about

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Speaker 13: the spring of twenty twenty two. We didn't have access

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Speaker 13: just finally popping up and finally happening. We were censored,

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Speaker 13: we were muzzled, We were in the wilderness. And to

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Speaker 13: march all the way back to the Oval Office is

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Speaker 13: awe inspiring and it takes your breath away. It goes

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Speaker 13: to show despite all of the machinations of the unelected

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Speaker 13: administrative state, and look at that contrast.

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Speaker 1: We should tweet that out. Guys.

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Speaker 13: How a year ago you're in a courtroom and a

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Speaker 13: year later you're in the cabinet room. From the courtroom

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Speaker 13: Remember this. He was fantasizing about how to logistically arrange

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Speaker 9: expected to perform his duties for one hundred and thirty days.

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Speaker 1: Okay, everybody, welcome back.

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Speaker 13: Email us as always freedom at charliekirk dot com and

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Speaker 13: subscribe to our podcast. I'm trying to find this piece

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Speaker 13: of tape here of the President in the oval yesterday.

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Speaker 13: We try to find this here.

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Speaker 1: Got it?

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Speaker 13: So it's what we'll play this in second three thirty three.

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Speaker 13: So as you know, we talk about TikTok here and

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Speaker 13: how viral that we are going on TikTok and it's

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Speaker 13: it's incredible the hundreds of millions of people that we

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Speaker 13: reached there.

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Speaker 1: But don't just take my word for it.

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Speaker 13: President Trump was asked about TikTok while I happened to

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Speaker 13: also be in the Oval office. Let's play cut three

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Speaker 13: thirty three.

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Speaker 2: I won the young people by thirty seven percent, and

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Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk will tell you TikTok helped, But Charlie Kirk

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Speaker 2: helped also.

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Speaker 3: Ohoh, he just happens to be here.

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Speaker 1: Look at it.

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Speaker 3: He loves that we mentioned that name. Raight Charley.

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Speaker 2: He's done great and I appreciate all the help.

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Speaker 3: But with the young people, we won by thirty seven percent.

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Speaker 2: Charlie and you helped, but TikTok was amazing, and he

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Speaker 2: was the first one he said, get on TikTok. So

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Speaker 2: I have a little bit of a warm spot.

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Speaker 13: There is some truth that about a year ago, I

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Speaker 13: remember calling President Trump, and there was other there were

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Speaker 13: others that obviously were chiming in, but I do remember

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Speaker 13: calling President Donald Trump in May of last year while

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Speaker 13: he was on trial. Like, mister President, I think we

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Speaker 13: have to engage on TikTok. You have a lot of

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Speaker 13: fans there, and he ended up being the most viral

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Speaker 13: person and.

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Speaker 1: Page on TikTok. Well.

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Speaker 13: With TikTok, small businesses are thriving, find their customers and expandings.

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Speaker 13: One of the reasons why we won the youth Vote.

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Speaker 13: Learn more about TikTok's contribution to the US economy and

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Speaker 13: TikTok Economic Impact dot Com. That's TikTok Economic Impact dot Com.

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Speaker 13: Portions of our program are brought to in part by

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Speaker 13: TikTok economic Impact dot Com. Joining us now is John Carney,

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Speaker 13: Finance and Economics editor at Breitbart dot Com.

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Speaker 1: John, thank you for taking the time.

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Speaker 13: So, John, a lot of people are confused, Explain to

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Speaker 13: us what the court ruling was yesterday, which was preventing

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Speaker 13: President Trump's use of the i EPA, which was the

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Speaker 13: Emergency Powers Act when it comes to tariffs.

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Speaker 1: Explain to our audience what happened yesterday right.

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Speaker 6: In the trade courts. They like to refer to as AEPA.

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Speaker 6: So it's the International Emergency Economic Powers Act. It was

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Speaker 6: the legal basis on which President Trump had imposed the

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Speaker 6: fentanyl tariffs, fentinal trafficking tariffs on China and on Mexico

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Speaker 6: and on Canada, and also the worldwide ten percent tariff,

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Speaker 6: the reciprocal tariff on everybody.

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Speaker 3: So it traditionally.

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Speaker 6: AIPA is actually a statue to use to impose sanctions.

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Speaker 6: The sort of modal version of it is Jimmy Carter

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Speaker 6: is the first person to ever use it. He uses

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Speaker 6: it to impose sanctions on Iran after they took Americans

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Speaker 6: hostages at the embassy. So it's typically a sort of

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Speaker 6: you know, freeze assets imposed sanctions. Not usually has never

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Speaker 6: actually been used to have very broad tariffs. This was

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Speaker 6: a novel legal approach that the Trump administration was doing,

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Speaker 6: saying we can declare an emergency, We're allowed to block

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Speaker 6: things all together under this so we should be allowed

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Speaker 6: to impose tariffs under it. The Court of International Trade,

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Speaker 6: which is a you know, a specialized court in Washington,

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Speaker 6: d c. That here's trade cases. And I think it's

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Speaker 6: important that it was the Court of International Trade. This

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Speaker 6: isn't some like radical left wing district court judge who

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Speaker 6: respectable panel. They said, no, you can't impose tariffs under

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Speaker 6: this Act. That there is nothing in the Act that

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Speaker 6: says you have the power to impose tariffs. That's too

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Speaker 6: broad up a reading. And they said, if if you

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Speaker 6: could impose tariffs under this Act, we think that would

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Speaker 6: be unconstitutional because it would be Congress delegating too much

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Speaker 6: authority to the president. The Constitution says Congress sets tariffs,

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Speaker 6: and Congress can't just say to the president, no, we're

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Speaker 6: going to let you do it. So that so this this,

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Speaker 6: this same panel, interestingly enough, also tried to prevent some

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Speaker 6: of Trump's tariffs in the first term, and they got

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Speaker 6: that overturned. That was under a different act, it was

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Speaker 6: a different legal basis. They tried to say you couldn't

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Speaker 6: impose the China the medals tariffs, and they got that overturned.

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Speaker 6: So this they don't have a perfect record here. The

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Speaker 6: Trump administration is obviously going to appeal it. But the

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Speaker 6: decision isn't you know, it's not nuts. I mean, it

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Speaker 13: So can Trump simply redo the tariffs using the Trade

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Speaker 13: Expansion Act of nineteen sixty two, Yeah.

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Speaker 6: He probably can. He probably can just come back.

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Speaker 1: He has to do.

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Speaker 6: The thing is under those acts, under all the other

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Speaker 6: you'll hear all these numbers thrown around. You usually have

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Speaker 6: to have a little bit more procedure. So you have

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Speaker 6: to have like Commerce Department or the US Trade Representative

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Speaker 6: the tariffs based on that. Now they can do that,

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Speaker 6: they can do it pretty quickly, and they and it

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Speaker 6: doesn't you know, the courts are unlikely to say, well,

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Speaker 6: you don't like the outcome of your procedural decision. But

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Speaker 6: there is there are hurdles. I think the very first

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Speaker 6: step is, yes, they're going to look into imposing tariffs

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Speaker 6: other ways. But what they're really going to do is

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Speaker 6: appeal this. They have ten days. The court says they

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Speaker 6: have to get rid of the tariffs within ten days.

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Speaker 6: They're going to appeal it and ask the Federal Circuit

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Speaker 6: that's who hears the appeals from the Court of International Trade.

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Speaker 6: They're going to ask a federal circuit to one stay

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Speaker 6: it and two overturn this decision. And I don't think

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Speaker 6: we know exactly how that's going to go. I think

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Speaker 6: the Trump administration probably will win that case. I don't

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Speaker 6: think that the courts are going to revive non delegation.

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Speaker 6: Non delegation has kind of been a dead law or

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Speaker 6: you know, a dead judicial interpretation for one hundred years.

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Speaker 6: It hasn't been used to overturn any laws. But maybe

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Speaker 6: they do. I mean it could be ironic, right that

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Speaker 6: they that they revived this conservative approach to constitutional law

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Speaker 6: by limiting a conservative president. Court sometimes the courts like

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Speaker 1: I guess so I have two I have two questions here.

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Speaker 13: The first of which is that partially, not totally, but

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Speaker 13: partially the reason why the Southern Board was able to

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Speaker 13: be secured so quickly is that.

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Speaker 1: Mexico was able to cooperate.

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Speaker 13: Is that Mexico, it's much easier to secure a border

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Speaker 13: from the interior than from the exterior. It is just definitelytionally,

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Speaker 13: it's much easier to prevent people from leaving your country

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Speaker 13: is the threat of tariffs against Mexico. Does this make

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Speaker 13: those tariffs against Mexico or the threat of them null

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Speaker 13: and void? And what implications might that have for border security?

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Speaker 6: Well, I think other it would on its face basically

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Speaker 6: stop second guessing us in international affairs. We need this

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Speaker 6: And I think they might win on that ground. I

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Speaker 6: don't think we're going to see like Mexico decide, Oh,

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Speaker 6: you know now that Trump lost this tariff power, you know,

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Speaker 6: because of a single court decision, we don't have to

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Speaker 6: listen to them anymore. That would be quite foolish because,

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Speaker 6: as we were saying, there are other alternatives, and it's

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Speaker 6: very possible that the appeals court will say, you know, no,

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Speaker 6: the president can do this.

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Speaker 13: Actually, So second this, which is I can imagine there

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Speaker 13: can be immediate action against China, though the China case

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Speaker 13: I think that those those can be inherited from one

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Speaker 6: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: So I think the Chinese tariffs are largely untouched. Is

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Speaker 1: that fair to say?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, the Chinese tariffs. The one that may be in

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Speaker 6: doubt here is there is like this additional tariff because

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Speaker 6: of fentanyl trafficking. Uh, that could be in doubt. But

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Speaker 6: the administration can just say, okay, fine, we're not doing

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Speaker 6: the fentanyl teriff, which we're raising your tariff on the

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Speaker 6: other rounds even higher, and that is on much steadier

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Speaker 6: legal grounds. So there's not a real respite for China here.

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Speaker 6: There's potentially a respite for the Canada and Mexico or

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Speaker 6: because basically the court said we don't think you can

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Speaker 6: link you can come up with tariffs as a result

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Speaker 6: of fentanyl or illegal immigration. I think that that that

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Speaker 6: the either the Supreme Court or the Federal Circuit may

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Speaker 13: The presidentah and so, I mean the argument that should

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Speaker 13: protecting the homeland, that it's an economic tool, it's a

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Speaker 13: softer touch than sanctions. I think that's the strongest of

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Speaker 13: all the arguments, because we are being invaded, we do

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Speaker 13: and so only on economic means, now, mind you, they

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Speaker 1: I think pretty quickly. I mean, it's not hard to

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Speaker 13: You know, Germany is definitely compromising American auto companies by

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Speaker 13: you know, VOLKSWAGONO and Porsche and Mercedes Benz and BMW.

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Speaker 13: So I guess the question is here, and the markets

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Speaker 13: a little more of an explosion. We saw that early

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Speaker 13: and then it went down and went back up. Is

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Speaker 13: I guess this is just more of a delay of

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Speaker 13: the inevitable President Trump will still be able to use

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Speaker 13: tariffs in one way or another.

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Speaker 6: Yes, I think that is the way the market's reading it.

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Speaker 6: They said, okay, this court has said stop, but we

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Speaker 6: imagine that the appeals court will put a stay on

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Speaker 6: this order so that Trump will be able to impose

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Speaker 6: the tariffs. That the outcome of this is pretty unclear,

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Speaker 6: so people don't want to get too excited about it.

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Speaker 6: And because there are all these other statutes that authorized tariffs,

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Speaker 6: Trump can come back. Frankly, I think it would be

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Speaker 6: a good idea and welcome for Trump to actually go

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Speaker 6: to Congress and say I want clear authorization to impose

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Speaker 6: reciprocal tariffs anybody who has an untrade fair trade practice

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Speaker 6: against the United States, the president should be allowed to

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Speaker 6: impose tariffs. Congress, give me that direct you'll call it

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Speaker 6: the Reciprocal Teriff Act. Give me that direct power so

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Speaker 6: that the courts can't doubt it and nobody else can

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Speaker 6: second guess it. I think Congress would probably do it. Yes,

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Speaker 6: there are free traders, and there are people who would

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Speaker 6: a majority in both houses to be able.

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Speaker 17: To bring that about.

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Speaker 13: I'm going to keep you for another segment here, largely

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Speaker 13: we are continuing now through this breaking news with John Carney,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so a judge has ruled that the opioid tariffs

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Speaker 6: the fentanyl tariffs, in other words, on China also are

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Speaker 6: not authorized by the Emergency Economic Power that it's actually

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Speaker 6: not really that big of a deal. This it's just

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Speaker 6: really just repeats what the court said last night. It

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Speaker 6: is again saying that this Act doesn't authorize the tariffs.

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Speaker 6: I don't think that will really matter for China because

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Speaker 6: Trump has so many other statutory means to impose tariffs

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Speaker 6: on China and they did the studies that they needed

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Speaker 6: to do in the first term. They Biden has done

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Speaker 6: them as well. They so they can just raise that,

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Speaker 6: you know, if the judge says no, you can't do

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Speaker 6: but I'm just going to raise it on another app

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Speaker 6: you know, under another statute and it won't matter. So

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Speaker 6: I don't think that this new decision is that big

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Speaker 6: of a deal. But it does highlight that the courts

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Speaker 6: Trade does not think that the that the imposition of

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Speaker 6: I think this is important for people to keep in mind.

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Speaker 6: The Act does not say the president can impose tariffs.

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Speaker 6: It says he can restrict trade, you know, do trade.

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Speaker 6: He can block things but it's a logical extension to

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Speaker 6: to look at both of these things that just came

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Speaker 6: Congress actually did delegate this much authority to the president.

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Speaker 6: They really did it, and they didn't put a lot

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Speaker 6: of procedural safeguards. And I don't think they're going to

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Speaker 6: use this case to revive the theory of non delegation.

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Speaker 6: They could, but I don't think the Federal Circuit would

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Speaker 13: So so John, in closing here, it seems like the

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Speaker 13: they were either used for economic development domestically or national

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Speaker 13: security reasons. He now uses this as a negotiation tool

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Speaker 13: and ta more broadly, do you think this will newter

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Speaker 6: I think he will find creative other ways to still

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Speaker 6: I think it puts a stumbling block. They'll have to

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Speaker 6: not very sure that this gets upheld at all. So

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Speaker 6: you know, it's a minor stumbling block. But Trump's ability to,

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Speaker 6: as you were saying, use tariffs to accomplish diplomacy is

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Speaker 6: going to remain even if this case gets upheld by

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Speaker 1: Second hour coming.

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Speaker 19: Up, Welcome back to Israel.

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Speaker 9: Note his voice News Bridge Terrence Beads. White House Press

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Speaker 9: Secretary Caroline Levitt is set to hold her latest press

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Speaker 19: Now.

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Speaker 14: Here's a live.

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Speaker 9: Look at this room where the reporters are already set

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Speaker 9: it passed. Meantime, borders our Tom Holman had his moment

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Speaker 20: they take advantage of it because you know, they can

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Speaker 9: The head of the Department of Government Efficiency in the meantime,

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Speaker 9: Elon Musk, leaving his position this week to return to

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Speaker 9: his real jobs at Tesla SpaceX and X. Musk was

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Speaker 9: brought on as a special government employee on January twentieth.

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Speaker 9: Under that designation, he was expected to perform his duties

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Speaker 9: In an ex post announcing his departure, Musk writes, I

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Speaker 9: to reduce wasteful spending. The DOGE mission will only strengthen

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Speaker 9: over time as it becomes a way of life throughout

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Speaker 9: the government. Musk has said that his goal is to

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Speaker 9: And while President Trump deals with funding the US government,

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Speaker 1: Okay, everybody, welcome back.

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Speaker 13: Email us as always, freedom at Charliekirk dot com, here

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Speaker 13: at the Bitcoin dot com studio. Let me see if

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Speaker 13: my story is in here the Wall Street Journal. Let

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Speaker 13: me see it might be here, because it's a great segue.

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Speaker 13: I actually meant to see there was a whole story

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Speaker 13: that they did on have it or just that school

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Speaker 13: in Boston.

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Speaker 1: I went to school in Boston. You're not fooling anybody.

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Speaker 13: Okay, doesn't have the allura used to trying to find

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Speaker 13: this story here. I think it's here somewhere. Let me see, anyway,

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Speaker 13: should be on the front page tomorrow, front page store

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Speaker 13: in the story which is online, will soon be printed

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Speaker 13: in the print copy. I am quoted by saying Charlie,

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Speaker 13: every time he sees President Trump reminds him to quote

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Speaker 13: crush these universities with every power that he has. That

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Speaker 13: is true, That is not fake news. In fact, yesterday

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Speaker 13: when I was with President Trump, I mean he was

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Speaker 13: already there. I'm not taking credit for it, but I

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Speaker 13: was certainly affirming it. I said, you need to crush

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Speaker 13: Harvard in its current form, and he says, oh, I am,

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Speaker 13: and I plan to make an example out of them.

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Speaker 13: Joining us now is Josh Hammer, host of The Josh

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Speaker 13: Hammer Show, Senior editor at Large at Newsweek, author of

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Speaker 13: Israel and Civilization.

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Speaker 1: Don't tell me you.

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Speaker 21: Went to Harvard to Josh, I mean, come on, did you, Charlie.

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Speaker 21: I am not a Harvard man. I did not go

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Speaker 21: to school in Boston. As as a school in Boston.

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Speaker 13: There's many elements of but first let's talk about what

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Speaker 13: is wrong with Harvard.

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Speaker 1: First.

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Speaker 13: Someone that is just tuning in and I said, why

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Speaker 13: is Trump waging war on our best university? What is

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Speaker 13: the contention?

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Speaker 1: Right? The indictment Josh Hammer against Harvard University?

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Speaker 21: All right, so the fundamental indictment against Harvard University. I mean,

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Speaker 21: the way you framed it is actually quite quite perfect,

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Speaker 21: because you want to make an example of the worst

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Speaker 21: actor the most prestigious institution when it comes to layman

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Speaker 21: prestige across the country, the Ivy League in general, Charlie

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Speaker 21: has been out of line with American Western values for

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Speaker 21: far longer than you or I have been alive. A

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Speaker 21: point that I like that I like to remind the

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Speaker 21: listeners and viewers when this topic comes up. Let's think

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Speaker 21: back to William F. Buckley Junior, the founder of National Review.

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Speaker 21: He found the National Review in the nineteen fifties. Literally

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Speaker 21: before even found the National Review, he wrote a book

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Speaker 21: called God and Man at Yale. It was the first

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Speaker 21: book that Buckley ever published. He wrote that shortly after

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Speaker 21: he graduated from Yale nineteen fifty one, barely after victory

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Speaker 21: against the Nazis and World War two, and Williama Buckley

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Speaker 21: is already writing about leftist, socialist, secularist atheist decadence in

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Speaker 21: the Ivy League Ivory Tower. So it's been a problem

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Speaker 21: for a very very long time. I mean, the rise

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Speaker 21: of the nineteen sixties Frankfurt School cultural Marxist campus radicals

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Speaker 21: has been very well documented. Chris Ruffo had a great

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Speaker 21: book on this just about a year and a half,

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Speaker 21: two years ago or so. And I think what we've

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Speaker 21: seen since October seventh is this just take on and

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Speaker 21: an unavoidable tint, right. I mean, now, no one can

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Speaker 21: avoid the problem. When you see people tearing down American

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Speaker 21: flags on Harvard University, which by the way, they've done

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Speaker 21: their putting up the PLO flag, the Palestine Liberation Organization flag.

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Speaker 21: They're people chanting, not just terrible things about Jewish people,

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Speaker 21: but also just about the United States. You know, the

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Speaker 21: so called students were justin Palestine Chapter of Columbia literally

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Speaker 21: calling to eradicate Western civilization. Harvard, Charlie, lest I you

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Speaker 21: know less, I need tromond the viewers here. Harper was

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Speaker 21: also sued badly and they lost badly when it came

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Speaker 21: to a firmative action.

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Speaker 13: That har was exactly right. I hate interrupt, Josh. This

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Speaker 13: is what we're not talking about enough. This is the

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Speaker 13: smoking gun they are. They still have defied the Supreme

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Speaker 13: Court's order of us. They are some blatant violation of

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Speaker 13: federal law. Please continue, Josh Shammer.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, so they lost badly, and these students were fair

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Speaker 21: and missions versus Harvard case, they were singled that. By

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Speaker 21: the way, Charlie, one of my best friends in the world,

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Speaker 21: the brilliant lawyer by the name of Adam Mortara. He

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Speaker 21: was actually the trial lawyer against Harvard in this case.

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Speaker 21: So I know this case actually quite well. Harvard's emissions

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Speaker 21: policies when it came to the students of fair mission

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Speaker 21: case were blatantly, oh virtually discriminatory. They were clearly clearly

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Speaker 21: violating the fourteenth Amendment, violating the Civil Rights Act, Title

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Speaker 21: six when they were discriminating against white people Asian people.

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Speaker 21: The plaint diss in that case happened to the Asians.

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Speaker 21: And the key part for present purpose is, Charlie, is

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Speaker 21: that the Trump executive order probably the single most important

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Speaker 21: executive order that Trump assigned to law, and he's not

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Speaker 21: a lot of good ones, but the single most important.

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Speaker 21: The executive order that I said, essentially achieved a Cold

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Speaker 21: War victory without firing a single shot for our side.

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Speaker 21: The force of civilizational sanity was where, among other things,

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Speaker 21: back on January twentieth, he interpreted this case these students

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Speaker 21: were fair and missions versus Harvard case as also requiring

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Speaker 21: an end to DEI and everything else that smacks of

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Speaker 21: anti white, anti Asian, anti American, anti Western bigotry on

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Speaker 21: canvas is Harvard has flagrantly stuck their middle fingers at

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Speaker 21: this there. So it's far more than just anti semitism.

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Speaker 21: It's not just on the most guide.

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Speaker 13: You said that, yeah, and so I mean, look here

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Speaker 13: here's where I think we could potentially make a little

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Speaker 13: bit of a misstep. I hate anti semitism. You two,

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Speaker 13: jimt fight it all the time. Right, However, you're allowed

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Speaker 13: to be critical of a certain foreign policy decision, You're

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Speaker 13: allowed free speech, You're allowed to do that. What is

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Speaker 13: the contention, though, of where they're in violation of federal

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Speaker 13: law when it comes to this or federal guidelines? Can

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Speaker 13: can you help contextualize that? Because I don't want to

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Speaker 13: get to a place where we're saying that certain speech

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Speaker 13: is not allowed. But what we're saying is there actual

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Speaker 13: are policies that are in violation. Here is understanding that correctly.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, So there's numerous So there's numerous things.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 21: So, first of all, there's a Trump executive order from

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Speaker 21: twenty nineteen. This is one of his executive orders that

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Speaker 21: was produced by the Department of Education Offices of Civil

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Speaker 21: Rights back then when Ken Marcus was leaning there, and

1035
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Speaker 21: back then they interpreted Title six of the Civil Rights

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Speaker 21: Act for the very first time to apply to Jews.

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Speaker 21: And one of the things that they did as part

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Speaker 21: of this executive order that Trump signs six years ago

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Speaker 21: now was he said that that anti Zionism constitutes anti

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Speaker 21: Semitism for purposes of Title six. Now, Charlie, it's important

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Speaker 21: to define terms. There's a lot of confusion as to

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Speaker 21: what anti Zionism is, you know, simply criticizing the policies

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Speaker 21: of a democratically left to government is obviously and transparently

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Speaker 21: not anti Semitism. Anyone who's ever met, you know, two

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Speaker 21: or three Israelis knows they probably disagree, because no one

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Speaker 21: loves to disagree on themselves like Israelis, or frankly, just

1047
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Speaker 21: like Jews in general, I mean literally going back to

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Speaker 21: the Talmud and so forth. Right, But what is anti

1049
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Speaker 21: Zionism is calling for the destruction of a country. What

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Speaker 21: is anti Semitism is to use such genocidal Nazi sque

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Speaker 21: speech so as to seemingly cause an imminent threat of

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Speaker 21: physical harm that would fall outside of constitutional free speech

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Speaker 21: e limits. It is a fine line. I don't pretend line.

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Speaker 21: This is kind of a bright line rule one way

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Speaker 21: or the other there, but there have been traditional rules

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Speaker 21: given by courts over the years, and the line ends

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Speaker 21: up being somewhere in that gray area right there.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, and so the let's play cut three sixty two.

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Speaker 13: This is President Trump talking about Havard yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Play cut three sixty two.

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Speaker 2: Columbia has been really and they were very, very bad.

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Speaker 2: What they've done a very antisemitic and lots of other things.

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Speaker 2: But they're working with us on finding a solution, and

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Speaker 2: you know, they taking off that hot seat. But Harvard

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Speaker 2: wants to fight, they want to show how smart they are,

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Speaker 2: and they're getting their kicked.

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Speaker 13: Okay, So one element of this that I think is

1068
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Speaker 13: being lost in the conversation. Actual we don't enough time

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Speaker 13: to dive into that. We'll get into that next segment.

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Speaker 13: Let's talk where do you think Harvard. Let me ask

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Speaker 13: you this question about a minute, half a minute. How

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Speaker 13: do you think Harvard is going to react to all this?

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Speaker 13: Do you think they're going to give in and surrender

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Speaker 13: at some point? They're in a very very difficult position.

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Speaker 21: Well, I'll tell you who I don't think is going

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Speaker 21: to surrender. I don't think that Donald Trump is going

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Speaker 21: to surrender, because this is this is a politically winning fight.

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Speaker 21: I mean, I mean, let's hold the policy, the law

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Speaker 21: aside for a second, Tarloge, just focusing on the group

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Speaker 21: politics of this. What an amazing political operation, an amazing

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Speaker 21: political move by Donald Trump and his whole administration. I mean,

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Speaker 21: they're literally making an enemy of one of the least

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Speaker 21: popular institutions in America. Higher education in general is not

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Speaker 21: very popular. Harvard University is definitely not popular. They are

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Speaker 21: making the Democratic Party, which once upon a time purported

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Speaker 21: to be the bastion of the of the working class

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Speaker 21: in this country, the old white working class there. You know,

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Speaker 21: they are making these people bend over backwards to defend

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Speaker 21: Harvard University. To tell people earning, you know, thirty forty

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Speaker 21: should go fund these Ivory Tower, socialist Marxist jew hating

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Speaker 21: America hating lunatics on the Charles River in Boston. It's

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Speaker 21: a brilliant, brilliant political move So for that reason, among others,

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Speaker 21: I simply don't see the Trump administration giving in here.

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Speaker 21: I think that Harvard Ultimate is going to be forced

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Speaker 13: Stay there, Josh, I want to dive more into the

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Speaker 13: I think there's a brilliant political strategy that is unfolding

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Speaker 13: I think we have Caroline Lovett here, so let's just

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Speaker 23: Let's listen to Caroline love It rewards and uplifts the

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Speaker 23: people who keep it safe and the National Border Patrol Council,

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Speaker 23: which represents nearly twenty thousand border patrol agents, hailed the

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Speaker 24: The group's president said, this legislation provides a once in

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Speaker 24: country and will make America safer. The One Big Beautiful

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Speaker 24: want to take the opportunity to debunk some false claims

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Speaker 24: The blatantly wrong claim that the One Big Beautiful Bill

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Speaker 24: and other scorekeepers who use shoddy assumptions and have historically

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Speaker 24: been terrible at forecasting across Democrat and Republican administrations alike.

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Speaker 24: projected that growth would average a mere one point nine

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Speaker 24: percent over the next ten years. However, by twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 6: At.

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Speaker 13: All this chat about Harvard, people say, oh, are you

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Speaker 13: guys anti intellectual? No, actually, we want learning to be

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Speaker 13: great again. That is why we love Hillsdale College. I

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Speaker 13: will put any student or Hillsdale College up against the

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Speaker 13: student from Harvard any day. Let's go to Charlie for

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Speaker 13: Hillsdale dot com. In this they have an amazing free

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Speaker 13: You could take the online courses on Roman history, on

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Speaker 13: the Constitution, the Federalist papers on Jane Austin, on Winston

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Speaker 13: for Hillsdale dot com. They have a new one on

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Speaker 13: Ttalitarian novels. In this eight lecture course, you'll learn from

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Speaker 13: were written in the nineteen thirties and forties, they are

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Speaker 13: does to human nature. More importantly, they can show us

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Speaker 13: what faith, family, and friends are worth fighting for. Maybe

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Speaker 13: you read these books a long time ago in school.

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Speaker 13: Maybe you've heard others talk about them well, and they

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Speaker 13: That's Charlie for Hillsdale dot Com. I want to play

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Speaker 13: this piece of tape here as we welcome back Josh Hammer,

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Speaker 13: the Great Josh Hammer, Let's play cut three sixty five

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Speaker 25: Harvard is in a very bad place, and what they

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Speaker 25: should be doing is they should have, you know, immediately

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Speaker 25: engaged with President Trump. We know that his strategy and

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Speaker 25: negotiating strategy is to ask for you know, get the

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Speaker 25: headlines with a crazy ask, and then he wants to

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Speaker 25: make a deal, and they should have said, you're right,

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Speaker 25: President Trump. We're hiring alex Partners or a restructuring firm,

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Speaker 25: and we're going to do a zero based budget of

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Speaker 25: what the administrative expense of Harvard should look like. We're

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Speaker 25: going to restructure our organization.

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Speaker 17: You're right.

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Speaker 25: We've done a horrible job protecting students from hate and

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Speaker 25: allowing pro terrorist protesters to interfere with education, and we're

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Speaker 25: going to stop it now, and we're going to enforce

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Speaker 25: our code, of which Harvard has not done.

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Speaker 13: So, So, Josh, can we talk about the brilliants of

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Speaker 13: the politics here. Most of America is not college educated.

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Speaker 13: Most of America has not gone to any college.

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Speaker 1: And even those.

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Speaker 13: That are college educated, they don't necessarily look at delight

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Speaker 13: at the smugness, the pomposity, and the elitism of Harvard.

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Speaker 13: In many ways, this is a populist fight, one that

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Speaker 13: the workers of this country say, you know, why do

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Speaker 13: they have fifty five billion dollars? What good are they doing? Anyway,

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Speaker 13: Josh comments on the politics of this, and then I

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Speaker 13: have one devil's advocate question please, Yeah.

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Speaker 21: So this is this is a perfect issue for the

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Speaker 21: MAGA America First National's populist coalition, I mean, is a

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Speaker 21: truly pitch perfect issue. I mean, Donald Trump has been

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Speaker 21: talking for years. Center Tom Cohn has actually proposed legislation

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Speaker 21: about taxing the IV League en dowmins at a much

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Speaker 21: higher rate. By the way, Charlie, Harvard's en dowminant is

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Speaker 21: tax you know, at a one point four percent rate.

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Speaker 21: One point four percent? I mean, are you kidding me

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Speaker 21: right now? So, Center Conn and Donald Trump, JD. Vans,

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Speaker 21: many others have spoken for years about trying to tax

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Speaker 21: these endowments and try to redistribute them to trade schools,

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Speaker 21: electrician schools, plumbing schools. There, it's not just good politics,

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Speaker 21: it's also good public policy. It is a beautiful ven

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Speaker 21: diagram overlap sweet spot here where it really kind of

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Speaker 21: checks all the boxes. But I remember it was back

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Speaker 21: during the campaign, back when Barack Obama was still on

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Speaker 21: the campaign trails at Kamala Harris Surrogates, And this is

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Speaker 21: when kind of the anti Harvard rhetorics started picking up

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Speaker 21: from the Trump Van side of the Ledger, and Barack

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Speaker 21: Obama was a Harvard law graduate, started defending Harvard University.

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Speaker 21: I mean, could you imagine better politics for the Republican

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Speaker 21: Party in the MAGA coalition and forcing Barack freaking Obama

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Speaker 21: to defend Harvard University. I mean it's amazing. I mean,

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Speaker 21: I mean, this is probably a ninety five to five issues.

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Speaker 21: This is probably up there with recording.

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Speaker 13: Mack McCauley, I'm with you really quick, so about a

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Speaker 13: minute remaining, though, is there any fear that we are

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Speaker 13: going to be neutering our best research institution preventing, you

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Speaker 13: know what, can still have some benefits of the country.

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Speaker 13: That is what some hing voices that I trust are cautioning, Josh,

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Speaker 13: your thoughts a minute and a half remaining.

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Speaker 21: Charlie, this country is thirty plus trillion dollars in debt, okay,

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Speaker 21: and at some point you have to start trying to

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Speaker 21: make sure that this money is serving the common good.

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Speaker 21: That is the only reason that higher ed ever gets

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Speaker 21: favorable tax treatment. All this fiscal taxpayer largess in the

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Speaker 21: first place, is that we once upon a time thought

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Speaker 21: that they produce sound citizens inculcated in the good virtues

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Speaker 21: to conduce to the common good. They drop threat of

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Speaker 21: the bargain. If Harvard wants to stop discriminating against Americans,

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Speaker 21: against white people, Asians, Mormons, Jews, all the above. If

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Speaker 21: they want to stop doing that, great, you know, then

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Speaker 21: we can have that conversation. But unless, unless, and until

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Speaker 21: that happens, there I say, Donald Trump should raise them

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Speaker 21: to the ground and salt the ashes.

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Speaker 13: Very good, Josh Hammer, Please plug your stuff so our

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Speaker 13: audience can follow you.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, you got so much. Show's the Josh Hammer Show.

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Speaker 21: I'm on ex Josh Underscore Hammer and my book right

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Speaker 21: behind me is Israel and civilization, the fate of the

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Speaker 21: Jewish nation, and the destiny of the West.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, and Josh, I want to have you back on

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Speaker 13: about the Israel topic because it's very hot.

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Speaker 1: It is in some ways.

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Speaker 13: Dividing at least the online not necessarily. I don't know

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Speaker 13: how much it is outside of that, but it's definitely

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Speaker 13: dividing a lot of conservative influencers, and I seek to

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Speaker 13: try to find reconciliation because I think we actually have

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Speaker 13: more in common on this issue than people realize. I mean,

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Speaker 13: there's the fringes, but I think there's actually, when it's

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Speaker 13: properly presented, more agreement than I think is always understood. Josh,

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Speaker 13: thank you so much.

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Speaker 21: God bless you.

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Speaker 14: Joe.

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Speaker 13: Email us Freedom at charliekirk dot com. Subscribe to the

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Speaker 13: Charlie Kirkshow podcast page.

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Speaker 1: Ben Leo from Britain joins us.

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Speaker 18: Next.

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Speaker 9: Welcome back to this Real America's Voice news break.

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Speaker 14: I'm Terrence Bates.

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Speaker 9: President Trump is taking his deal making skills to Capitol Hill,

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Speaker 9: saying he plans to negotiate aspects of the so called

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Speaker 9: One Big Beautiful Bill that's now in the US Senate.

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Speaker 9: The measure the House passed last week is facing some

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Speaker 9: pushback from Senate Republicans, plus Elon Musk is criticizing it.

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Speaker 2: I'm not happy about certain aspects of it, but I'm

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Speaker 2: thrilled by other aspects of it. That's the way they go.

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Speaker 2: It's very big. It's the big beautiful bill. But the

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Speaker 2: beautiful is because of all of the things we have,

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Speaker 2: the biggest thing being I would say, the uh uh,

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Speaker 2: the level of tax cutting that we're going to be doing.

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Speaker 18: I was like, we're disappointed to see the massive spending vote. Frankly,

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Speaker 18: which increases the bunch deps that not does decrease it,

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Speaker 18: and that reminds the work that the Doge team is doing.

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Speaker 18: I think I think a boat can be can be

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Speaker 18: can be big, or it can be beautiful.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know if it could be both.

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Speaker 9: And While President Trump plans to offer his inputs to

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Speaker 9: improve the spending plan and get it passed, there's also

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Speaker 9: reports out this morning that the White House will send

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Speaker 9: Congress a package to formalize Doge cuts targeting federal spending

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Speaker 9: that could.

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Speaker 14: Happen as soon as next week.

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Speaker 9: President Trump, while he is dealing with funding the US government,

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Speaker 9: he now also has about a week and a half

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Speaker 9: to retool one of the centerpieces of his plan to

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Speaker 9: revitalize the US economy. The Court of International Trade is

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Speaker 9: putting President Trump's tariffs on ice, saying he overstepped his

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Speaker 9: authority by imposing the duties on imports. The ruling and

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Speaker 9: effect immediately invalidates all of the President's tariffs. The administration

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Speaker 9: is appealing Wednesday's decision. In questioning the Court's authority, the

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Speaker 9: three judge panel says that I'm quoting here, the Court

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Speaker 9: does not pass upon the wisdom or likely effectiveness of

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Speaker 9: the President's use of tariff's leverage. That use is impermissible,

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Speaker 9: not because it's unwise or ineffective, but because federal law does.

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Speaker 14: Not allow it.

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Speaker 9: Meantime, the head of the Department of Government Efficiency, Elon Musk,

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Speaker 9: is leaving his position this week in order to return

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Speaker 9: to his primary jobs at Tesla SpaceX and X. Musk

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Speaker 9: was brought on as a special government employee on January twentieth.

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Speaker 9: Under that designation, he was expected to perform his duties

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Speaker 9: for one hundred and thirty days. That's a quick check

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Speaker 9: of your.

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Speaker 19: Hand waking up.

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Speaker 17: Who woke?

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Speaker 14: Oh, you should get over that quickly.

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Speaker 22: One brainwashed radical at a time.

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Speaker 14: That's enough.

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Speaker 3: It's the Charlie Kirk Show.

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Speaker 13: Welcome back, everybody. Okay, we're here at the Bitcoin dot

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Speaker 13: Com Studio. That is the Bitcoin dot Com Studio. You know,

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Speaker 13: I have learned that not everyone watches the entire show

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Speaker 13: all the way through. So I'm going to replay a

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Speaker 13: piece of tape that we played earlier about TikTok that

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Speaker 13: President Trump mentioned from the Oval Office. Let's play cut

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Speaker 13: three thirty three.

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Speaker 2: I won the young people by thirty seven percent, and

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Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk will tell you TikTok helped. But Charlie Kirk

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Speaker 2: helped also.

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Speaker 3: Oh, he just happens to be here. Look at it.

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Speaker 2: He loves that we mentioned that name, right, Schelly. He's

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Speaker 2: done great and I appreciate all the help. But the

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Speaker 2: young people we won by thirty seven percent. Charlie and

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Speaker 2: you helped. But TikTok was amazing. And he was the

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Speaker 2: first one who said get on TikTok. So I have

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Speaker 2: a little bit of a warm spot.

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Speaker 13: TikTok has been very good to the movement, and go

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Speaker 13: to President Trump. American small businesses rely on TikTok to succeed,

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Speaker 13: helping them attract more customers and drive more growth from

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Speaker 13: small batchsellers to fast growing brands. Seventy four percent of

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Speaker 13: businesses on TikTok say it's.

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Speaker 1: Helped them scale.

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Speaker 13: With TikTok, small businesses are thriving, finding their customers and expanding.

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Speaker 13: Learn more about TikTok's contribution to the US economy at

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Speaker 13: TikTok Economic.

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Speaker 1: Impact dot com. That is us that has learned more

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Speaker 1: about the US.

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Speaker 13: Economy at TikTok Economic impact dot Com. Organizations like Turning

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Speaker 13: Point USA, President Donald Trump and Moore have been able

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Speaker 13: to go viral on TikTok. That is TikTok Economic impact

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Speaker 13: dot com, TikTok Economic Impact dot Com. Email US as

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Speaker 13: always freedom at Charliekirk dot com. Joining us now is

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Speaker 13: Ben Leo, a gb News presenter and host of Ben

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Speaker 13: Leo Tonight.

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Speaker 1: I really joyed joining his show in London.

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Speaker 13: It was a great surprise and he was the most

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Speaker 13: respectful of almost anybody I had a chance to chat

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Speaker 13: with in the UK.

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Speaker 1: Ben, great to see you. Thank you for taking the time.

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Speaker 17: Charlie, you left the UK so quickly. Is it something

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Speaker 17: we said?

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Speaker 13: Well, you know, I tried my best to get arrested,

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Speaker 13: and I failed. But it's hard for me to stay

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Speaker 13: anywhere for more than two to three days. I move

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Speaker 13: very fast. I had a lot of urgent stuff in

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Speaker 13: the States. But yes, we had quite an interesting time.

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Speaker 13: I want to play this piece of tape here from

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Speaker 13: our conversation on gb News. I'm told the went very viral.

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Speaker 13: You could tell me after that we play at play

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Speaker 13: Cup one fifty four. The question is is macro Islam

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Speaker 13: compatible with Western values?

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Speaker 1: Macro, of course it's not.

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Speaker 13: There are three major major reasons why Islam does not

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Speaker 13: believe in freedom and speech. Islam does not believe in

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Speaker 13: freedom or religion, and Islam does not believe in separation

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Speaker 13: of mosk and state. Those three things are antithetical to

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Speaker 13: the West. In a Muslim majority country, you were not

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Speaker 13: most Muslim majority countries who cannot criticize the prophet Muhammad.

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Speaker 13: In most Muzzle majority countries do not have the same

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Speaker 13: robust freedom of religion protections. And finally, whereas we in

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Speaker 13: the West are very careful to try to intermixed religion

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Speaker 13: and state, they are commanded to actually go into the

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Speaker 13: state and try to change the state to be more

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Speaker 13: Islamic around the corpillars Islam. And the last thing I'll

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Speaker 13: finally say is I cannot see a single Western country

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Speaker 13: that has become more Islamic and it's become a better

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Speaker 13: place to live, that is happier or freer.

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Speaker 1: So, Ben, did anyone watch that interview?

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Speaker 17: Yeah, thank you for doing it, because it was the

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Speaker 17: raisings hit.

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Speaker 26: It went viral online as you know, you know, millions

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Speaker 26: and millions of views on YouTube of course, all social

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Speaker 26: channels because what you said, Charlie, sometimes it takes when

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Speaker 26: you're in an abusive relationship.

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Speaker 17: Let's describe it by.

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Speaker 26: That, when you're in an abusive relationship with say your

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Speaker 26: government or even a partner, it takes somebody from the

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Speaker 26: outside to get a clearer perspective on things and give

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Speaker 26: you a heads up. And for a lot of bridge

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Speaker 26: at least we don't know. I know, and lots of

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Speaker 26: conservatives know when gb US viewers know. But most people,

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Speaker 26: i'd argue, don't know about the limits on free speech

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Speaker 26: here until it takes a friend from the US like

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Speaker 26: yourself to come over and say, hang on a minute, guys,

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Speaker 26: something's not.

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Speaker 17: Quite right here.

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Speaker 26: And what you said about Lucy Connolly specifically, you mentioned

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Speaker 26: that you're going to give us Marco Rubio from the

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Speaker 26: State Department heads up about Lucy's case. I mean that

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Speaker 26: absolutely blew up. We had a lot of people, a

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Speaker 26: lot of sort of liberal lefties saying, well, hang on

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Speaker 26: a minute, we don't want Americans coming over here and

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Speaker 26: interfering in our politics, which is fine, and I understand

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Speaker 26: that Obama did it back in the days of the

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Speaker 26: Brexit vote, and we said, you know, we don't want

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Speaker 26: Americans over here doing that kind of thing.

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Speaker 17: I think you even contested that. I agree that.

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Speaker 13: I even you know, I was actually looking at it

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Speaker 13: from an American perspective.

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Speaker 1: But please continue.

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Speaker 26: Yeah, but I was going to say, the difference between

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Speaker 26: now and the Obama days and the Brexit days is

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Speaker 26: I think we're in an existential threat to the future

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Speaker 26: of the West totally, and it's the scenario is different.

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Speaker 26: This isn't just a vose on Brexit and whether the

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Speaker 26: UK is part of the EU or not. I think

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Speaker 26: it's I think it transcends borders and it transcends countries.

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Speaker 26: It's the West against tyrannical globalist future. And when we

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Speaker 26: have allies and friends in the United States, albeit from

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Speaker 26: a foreign government. At least many people over this side

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Speaker 26: of the pond Brits were celebrating the facts that you

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Speaker 26: came over. You said, hey, on guys, this is absolutely insane.

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Speaker 26: What's happening to Lucy Connedy And indeed you mentioned thirty

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Speaker 26: brits a day and you're absolutely right, twelve thousand Brits

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Speaker 26: a year being arrested for words they post on the internet,

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Speaker 26: which is absolutely insane.

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Speaker 17: So it was much welcome.

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Speaker 26: As I said, there was a cohort of people, mostly

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Speaker 26: militant leftists, who were saying, you know, what right does

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Speaker 26: Donald Trump's associates and mega conservatives have to come over

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Speaker 26: here and talk about free speech, saying that Trump was

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Speaker 26: clamping down somehow on free.

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Speaker 17: Speech in the US.

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Speaker 26: But I've argued many times on the air since then

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Speaker 26: that look, it's more than just foreign interference. It's the

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Speaker 26: future of the West and if we don't do something

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Speaker 26: about it and protect the very nature of free speech

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Speaker 26: and free speech for me, if you come down to it,

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Speaker 26: it's just the truth. If you're tiptoeing around on eggshells

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Speaker 26: and concerned about what you're saying or how you'll deliver it,

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Speaker 26: because you're concerned about the consequences.

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Speaker 17: That's not free speech.

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Speaker 13: A couple thoughts on this, So, first of all, I

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Speaker 13: even conceded. I said, look, I hate when foreigners come

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Speaker 13: to America and tell us what to do. I was

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Speaker 13: looking at it, first and foremost from an American perspective.

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Speaker 13: We call you guys' allies. We are sibling nations, and

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Speaker 13: we give you guys military aid support NATO, and under

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Speaker 13: that idea is that we are all in alignment against

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Speaker 13: authoritarianism and in pursuit of quote unquote liberal democracy. So

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Speaker 13: what then ends up happening when we're not in alignment

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Speaker 13: on the big stuff and we're paying for it as Americans?

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Speaker 1: And so, by the way, it wasn't just the bluster.

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Speaker 13: I sat down with Marco Rubio yesterday and we chatted

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Speaker 13: abound a bunch of stuff. It was his birthday, by

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Speaker 13: the way, Happy birthday, Marco. By the way, Marco has

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Speaker 13: been they're ten out of ten. He has been exceptional.

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Speaker 13: He has been amazing. I'm a huge Marco Rubio fan,

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Speaker 13: and the bandwidth that that guy has is incredible. And

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Speaker 13: I said, look, you're keeping your eyes hold you know.

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Speaker 13: I told about Lucy Connolly case, I said, ll just there.

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Speaker 13: He says, we're all on it, we know it. And

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Speaker 13: you know he didn't reveal his cards any further than that.

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Speaker 13: But it's well known now in the highest levels of

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Speaker 13: the American government the attack on freedom of speech happening

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Speaker 13: in the United Kingdom. Of what is happening of thirty

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Speaker 13: people a day being arrested, Ben, you want to chime in, police.

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Speaker 26: Yeah, I was just going to say, many people here,

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Speaker 26: as I said that, they're so and indeed they've been

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Speaker 26: brought up in this country. They know no different. I remember,

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Speaker 26: I'm I'm mid thirty, so I are just about remember

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Speaker 26: the time when when we were a lot freer than

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Speaker 26: we are today. But there's especially young university students who

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Speaker 26: have grown up in this era of tyranny and so

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Speaker 26: called free speech.

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Speaker 17: They think free speech.

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Speaker 26: Exists, But you only have to look to yourselves in

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Speaker 26: America in the First Amendment, that is true free speech

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Speaker 26: without consequences. And when it comes to Rubio, I mean,

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Speaker 26: as you said, what a guy.

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Speaker 17: I mean amazing.

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Speaker 26: When the story came out over here, it was blowing

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Speaker 26: up in the news that the facts of the State Department.

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Speaker 26: It wasn't just a source said from the State Department,

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Speaker 26: we're looking at this. It was an official statement from

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Speaker 26: Rubio State Department saying we're monitoring the situation. And I

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01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:22,639
Speaker 26: always say, though, Charlie, I think we're about I reckon

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01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:25,440
Speaker 26: five years behind the US politically culturally.

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Speaker 17: I think we're going through our BIDONEA at the moment.

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Speaker 26: And it's always the darkest before the dawn, and I

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01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:34,080
Speaker 26: think you need to I said before Labor got elected

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01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:37,040
Speaker 26: in July last year, when the Conservatives or the fake

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01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:39,800
Speaker 26: Conservatives were still in power, I said, look, I think

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01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:42,320
Speaker 26: we need a Labor government to really drag this country

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01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:46,120
Speaker 26: into the gutter before a lot of so called normies,

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01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:48,679
Speaker 26: people who aren't really politically engaged, don't watch the news

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01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:51,400
Speaker 26: that much before they really started getting involved and start thinking,

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01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:53,760
Speaker 26: hang on a minute, something's not quite right here. So

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01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:55,960
Speaker 26: I think we're going through our bidineer at the moment,

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01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:58,320
Speaker 26: we're probably about five years behind you. But I remain

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01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:01,200
Speaker 26: although you have a great assessment of your visits to

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01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:05,840
Speaker 26: the UK, Charlie, I do remain hopeful and faithful that

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01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:07,280
Speaker 26: we will soon be on your coats.

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Speaker 13: I think you're right, and so while my current assessment

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01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 13: in my prognosis was very disappointing and negative. And we

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01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:15,840
Speaker 13: can get into the intelligencia at Cambridge and Oxford, which

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01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:17,040
Speaker 13: is far from.

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Speaker 17: I would the debate, the full Cambridge debate.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd love your thoughts on that. It was. It was,

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01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:21,760
Speaker 1: it was.

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Speaker 13: It was an ambush attack to say the least. But

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01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:25,680
Speaker 13: I you know, we we we we went through it

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01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:28,439
Speaker 13: with this smile. But this is what's important. I just

1541
01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:30,559
Speaker 13: wrote a piece for the Spectator that I encourage everyone

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01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:33,559
Speaker 13: to check out. While I saw that your government has

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01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:36,080
Speaker 13: now been taken over, now that you have Mohammedans that

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01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:40,360
Speaker 13: are basically infiltrated all port, all parts of you know,

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01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:44,080
Speaker 13: the United Kingdom and of London, I do see that

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01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:48,400
Speaker 13: kind of bubbling up of the everyday man. I would

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01:22:48,439 --> 01:22:51,880
Speaker 13: be going through restaurants in London and people would be

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01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:54,000
Speaker 13: asking me for pictures saying we love you. You know, we

1549
01:22:54,120 --> 01:22:56,599
Speaker 13: need to have a big fight here. And it wasn't

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01:22:56,680 --> 01:23:01,479
Speaker 13: just the cosmopolitans. It was also the working class. That

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01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:04,120
Speaker 13: was What was so interesting is that the working class

1552
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:08,040
Speaker 13: of Britain was asking for selfies with me. I'm like, oka,

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01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:11,000
Speaker 13: that's very interesting. We call them the muscular class in America.

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01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:14,960
Speaker 13: And they're largely forgotten. They do not vote. Many of

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01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:16,960
Speaker 13: them did vote in Brexit, though, which was the highest

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01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:21,000
Speaker 13: turnout election in history. And I want to can you

1557
01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:25,679
Speaker 13: tell our audience how is Nigel Faraja's Reform Party doing.

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01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:28,240
Speaker 13: Is it all just a bunch of bluster or are

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01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:32,719
Speaker 13: there actual results to show that the people are tilting

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01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:33,439
Speaker 13: in that direction.

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Speaker 17: No, it's not bluster. They are absolutely smashing it.

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Speaker 26: They are destroying it. We had some elections three weeks ago.

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Speaker 26: So there's national elections, a general election where people vote

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Speaker 26: in members of Parliament and indeed the Prime minister, so

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01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:49,600
Speaker 26: the winning party becomes the governing body. And then you

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01:23:49,680 --> 01:23:52,519
Speaker 26: get local elections as well, so that's when people in

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01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:56,320
Speaker 26: their local vicinity vote for local councilors and councils, local

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01:23:56,360 --> 01:24:00,639
Speaker 26: authorities they handle things such as school funding, local rubbish

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01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:02,479
Speaker 26: trash collections and so on, and so on, some more

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Speaker 26: of the sort of.

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01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:03,799
Speaker 17: Nitty gritty stuff.

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Speaker 26: At those local elections three weeks ago now, Reform absolutely

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01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:13,040
Speaker 26: smashed it. Hundreds of councilors, dozens of council control of councils.

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Speaker 26: There was a by election, which is basically it was

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01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:20,160
Speaker 26: an individual race for one MP constituency seat in the

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Speaker 26: north west of England. Reform won that against the odds.

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01:24:23,439 --> 01:24:27,599
Speaker 26: It was a massive Labour stronghold. They won three morality races,

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01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:30,400
Speaker 26: so they've got three new mayors across Great Britain. So

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01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:34,160
Speaker 26: they destroyed it. And do you know what Kirs Starmer today,

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Speaker 26: the Prime Minister Reform. By the way, over the past

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01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:40,639
Speaker 26: six months or so, Labor and the governments and Kiirs

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01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:43,760
Speaker 26: Starmer have been mocking Reforming, saying that they could only

1583
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:46,880
Speaker 26: fit their MPs in the back of a taxi for example,

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01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:50,040
Speaker 26: because they're so insignificant. Today Kirs Starmer gave a massive

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01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:52,960
Speaker 26: speech at some industrial centre in the north of England.

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Speaker 17: He talked for a little bit about the reason why he.

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01:24:54,720 --> 01:24:57,400
Speaker 26: Was there and then he launched into some obsessive rant

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01:24:57,479 --> 01:25:01,080
Speaker 26: about Nisel Farage, about Reform, so on and so on.

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01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:04,320
Speaker 26: So he's completely rattled and he's also changing. I call

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01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:06,920
Speaker 26: him a political comedian. He's changing his rhetoric off the

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01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:10,000
Speaker 26: back of this surge from Reform, who are polling now

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01:25:10,040 --> 01:25:12,120
Speaker 26: at thirty one percent. I think the new pile came

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01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:14,920
Speaker 26: out today. Labour down on twenty three percent. The Tories,

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01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:16,519
Speaker 26: I mean, they're just long gone the good. They're for

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01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:19,839
Speaker 26: God and that's the price you pay for being fake Conservatives.

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Speaker 26: But yeah, the momentum is there is three four years

1597
01:25:23,439 --> 01:25:25,040
Speaker 26: to go into a general election, so there's a long

1598
01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:27,480
Speaker 26: way to go. But Reform do have all the momentum.

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01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:31,400
Speaker 26: And it's echoes i'd say of twenty sixteen with Trump.

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Speaker 26: I remember that race in twenty sixteen with Hillary, and

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01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:36,120
Speaker 26: it was it was the working class, it.

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01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:37,479
Speaker 17: Was the Ross Belt. Your end.

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Speaker 26: This end, we call it the red Wall. The Red

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01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:43,880
Speaker 26: War is traditional labor voters, working class voters. Labour used

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01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:45,760
Speaker 26: to be the party of the working man. Now they're

1606
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:49,519
Speaker 26: the party of Champagne, socialists and big Corporation's funny that,

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01:25:50,240 --> 01:25:52,479
Speaker 26: but that's what Reformer tapping into. If they can win

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01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:54,639
Speaker 26: that red Wall, which they did at the local elections,

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Speaker 26: I think he maybe in three or four years we'll

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Speaker 26: see Prime Minister Farash.

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Speaker 13: Continuing with us is Ben Leo from gb News. So Ben,

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Speaker 13: talk a little bit about my visit to Cambridge. You

1655
01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:29,080
Speaker 13: haven't seen Oxford yet, but the kind of impression you

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01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:32,599
Speaker 13: had from an American going to the best universities in Britain.

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01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:35,080
Speaker 17: Well, I had a question for you.

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01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:37,479
Speaker 26: First of all, I watched the full debate earlier, and

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01:28:37,479 --> 01:28:39,800
Speaker 26: I mean some of it. I was absolutely howling off

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01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:42,560
Speaker 26: my chair. It was it was quite It was so ferocious.

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01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:43,120
Speaker 17: It was funny.

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01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:46,600
Speaker 26: Not ferocious from you. You handled them expertly, but particularly

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01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:50,880
Speaker 26: the young lady in the US flag jumper, the last

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01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:52,920
Speaker 26: guard at the end of did the Prince Harry look alike,

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01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:57,120
Speaker 26: who for some reason was bouncing up and down. I

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01:28:57,160 --> 01:28:59,760
Speaker 26: wanted to know whether how these students compared to the

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01:28:59,720 --> 01:29:01,879
Speaker 26: student frequent in the US Charlie.

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01:29:01,960 --> 01:29:02,240
Speaker 10: Yeah.

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01:29:02,280 --> 01:29:06,679
Speaker 13: So they're definitely, let's say they have a higher intelligence quotient.

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01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:12,880
Speaker 13: They are definitely smarter books smart than your everyday state

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01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:14,240
Speaker 13: school in America.

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Speaker 1: But they have no wisdom.

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Speaker 13: And this is what's very important, and this is the point,

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01:29:20,439 --> 01:29:23,280
Speaker 13: is that they are the least wise group of people

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01:29:23,320 --> 01:29:27,200
Speaker 13: that I've ever come in contact with ever, And wisdom

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01:29:27,439 --> 01:29:30,600
Speaker 13: is the knowledge of things that never change. They know

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01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:33,360
Speaker 13: a bunch of facts, they could get high test scores,

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01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:37,280
Speaker 13: but their lack of understanding of human nature, of our

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01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:41,360
Speaker 13: and our relationship to one another. And honestly, I will

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01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:45,240
Speaker 13: say that they're clever, they have some high rhetorical ability,

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01:29:45,680 --> 01:29:48,160
Speaker 13: but they were still resorting to their pre prepared AI

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01:29:48,280 --> 01:29:51,800
Speaker 13: generated remarks, reading from a phone or shaking like a

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01:29:52,040 --> 01:29:52,479
Speaker 13: like a leaf.

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Speaker 1: Your thoughts been, yeah.

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Speaker 26: I've said for many years now, even before watching your

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01:29:57,520 --> 01:30:00,640
Speaker 26: sort of debates over the years with university students, I've

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01:30:00,640 --> 01:30:03,880
Speaker 26: always said, I think university now these days is a

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Speaker 26: hindrance to a young person's development because there is no

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01:30:08,120 --> 01:30:10,400
Speaker 26: exploration of thought, there is no shame of ideas.

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Speaker 17: It's infiltrated by Marxist ideology.

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Speaker 26: And I've got two young boys myself, I've always said,

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Speaker 26: and less things changed, I don't want them going into university.

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Speaker 26: And in actual facts, when I used to work at

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Speaker 26: I was a reporter at one of the the biggest

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01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:23,320
Speaker 26: newspaper here in the UK for seven years. We regularly

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01:30:23,560 --> 01:30:25,600
Speaker 26: used to have people coming in for work experience or

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Speaker 26: what you guys would call internships, right, so you get

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01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:31,360
Speaker 26: young journalists coming into the office to get some experience.

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01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:35,800
Speaker 26: They'd come straight from university with degrees coming out their ears,

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01:30:35,840 --> 01:30:38,800
Speaker 26: all these fancy qualifications they've done three four five years,

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01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:42,160
Speaker 26: got in hundreds of pounds worth of debt and They

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01:30:42,200 --> 01:30:45,240
Speaker 26: couldn't even look somebody in the eye or pick up

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01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:47,719
Speaker 26: the phone or knock on the door, which is essential

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01:30:47,720 --> 01:30:50,599
Speaker 26: as a journalist and say hello or ask a question.

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Speaker 17: It was just insane. They have no social skills.

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Speaker 26: They spend their time, unfortunately, heads buried into screens and

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01:30:57,680 --> 01:30:59,759
Speaker 26: these days. I've always argued, and I think I'm absolutely

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01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:02,439
Speaker 26: correct and saying it, I'd rather hire somebody who had

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01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:05,040
Speaker 26: one or two years on the job, who could speak

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01:31:05,080 --> 01:31:06,920
Speaker 26: to somebody and look them in the eye and behave

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Speaker 26: as a human being, be empathetic and just be a

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Speaker 26: normal person than somebody some academic with as I said,

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01:31:12,640 --> 01:31:16,160
Speaker 26: degrees and qualifications come out. There is the students you

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Speaker 26: spoke to at Cambridge. As I said, I was completely

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01:31:18,120 --> 01:31:21,240
Speaker 26: laughing at my chair, the one young lady who you

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01:31:21,240 --> 01:31:22,759
Speaker 26: spoke to with the American flag when she's.

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Speaker 17: Here now on screen.

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Speaker 26: You were making the point that Western women on the

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Speaker 26: whole were unhappier than decades ago. I agree with that.

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Speaker 26: The studies show that she with respect to her, she

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01:31:33,800 --> 01:31:35,800
Speaker 26: is a prime example of somebody I think would be

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Speaker 26: a lot happier, accepting or just enjoying the company of

1723
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:44,040
Speaker 26: having your own children, being in a loving home. And unfortunately,

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Speaker 26: my assessment is that a lot of these young people

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Speaker 26: and I don't blame I don't blame them personally.

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01:31:49,120 --> 01:31:49,720
Speaker 17: I blame the.

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Speaker 26: System because we've had people now struggling to get homes.

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01:31:52,680 --> 01:31:55,840
Speaker 26: They can't have or won't have families until they buy

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01:31:55,840 --> 01:31:58,479
Speaker 26: houses or own a property. The cost of living sky high,

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Speaker 26: so I kind of understand why they don't want to

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01:32:01,160 --> 01:32:03,880
Speaker 26: settle with alan do that. And they've also been predominantly

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Speaker 26: just given an absolute line over the years of feminism

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01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:09,720
Speaker 26: and told they can have it all.

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Speaker 17: This kind of person, this idea. With respect to her, she.

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Speaker 26: Is a prime example of somebody I would argue would

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Speaker 26: be a lot happier getting out of that university environment.

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Speaker 26: Stop reading stuff online and studies and this and that,

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Speaker 26: and just go and enjoy the beauty and the happiness

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Speaker 26: of life and children.

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Speaker 17: Just forgettable about all that.

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Speaker 13: I totally she would be much happier if she got

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Speaker 13: married and had kids. She's a deeply unhappy person. But

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Speaker 13: look the Oxford students. They were long unwit, but they

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01:32:35,240 --> 01:32:38,080
Speaker 13: were short on wisdom, and that's what matters most.

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Speaker 1: Wisdom.

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Speaker 13: The wisdom of the working class of Britain has a

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01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:43,880
Speaker 13: lot more than anything at Cambridge, Ben thank you.

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Speaker 1: So much, see you guys tomorrow.

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Speaker 13: Emails Freedom at Charlie Kirk dutam