Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of Gangster Chronicles. This is episode
Speaker 1: number four and you're listening to Alex Alonso and I'm
Speaker 1: sitting here with It's Reggie Right and James McDonald and
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about a few things this on this episode.
Speaker 1: But first, um, quite a few people wanted to hear
Speaker 1: a couple of death row death row history questions. Um,
Speaker 1: so let's let's start off with the death row death
Speaker 1: row history questions. What do you guys got to share
Speaker 1: about that? Okay, we'll shoot you asked us a couple
Speaker 1: of good questions, Alonso at the beginning, So we'll let
Speaker 1: you just access the questions and all right, well, can
Speaker 1: and recording sessions. Who really got beat up at that studio?
Speaker 1: Who didn't? I mean, you had all types of situations
Speaker 1: that was going on there. Most of it was is
Speaker 1: overexaggerated or blown up, blown up. But um, you know,
Speaker 1: artists got dealt with and not artists are not the
Speaker 1: artist we know, you know, not Snoop or Park or
Speaker 1: Dre or people like that. There's people that was trying
Speaker 1: to get on I was trying to do stuff that
Speaker 1: wasn't taking the business serious seriously. Some of the things
Speaker 1: like that. It was mainly homies on homie stuff, uh,
Speaker 1: to be honest, Uh, and it never was or I
Speaker 1: don't know even situations like uh, you know the mob
Speaker 1: against the Lone Beach crops that was mainly associated with
Speaker 1: us or anything like that. I don't have any situations
Speaker 1: like that. You know, we all know the warrngy getting
Speaker 1: his chain snatched and and and then you know big
Speaker 1: c Style and Trade D came and trying to talk.
Speaker 1: She'll get to make sure you're getting the chain back
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, and was able to get that
Speaker 1: chain back. That's Trade D version, Trade D version. Everybody
Speaker 1: got a version. And keep telling people it wasn't like
Speaker 1: people saying, you know, I saw him on Blas and
Speaker 1: said he would have did this. So did that people
Speaker 1: have respect for each other and then go down like that,
Speaker 1: Why warren't you gotta change taking? I don't know, but she,
Speaker 1: you know, talk to whoever that took the chain from
Speaker 1: them and they gave Orange pitch Ass back his chain. James,
Speaker 1: will you at any of those candamn studio sessions? I
Speaker 1: didn't do. I didn't Uh. I didn't hang out with
Speaker 1: them like that at that. Uh. I was tired of
Speaker 1: fighting what you're were talking about during these canamn studio sessions. Well,
Speaker 1: this particularly incident was like ninety four, early before Paul
Speaker 1: got there. Oh yeah, oh yeah, that's before got there.
Speaker 1: Pa got there. For those of you don't know, November
Speaker 1: October ninety five, you really can't name now place that
Speaker 1: death row was that that nobody got the answhopped in
Speaker 1: everywhere we went, somebody got for no reason at all,
Speaker 1: some of them. It's a crazy way to run a corporation, though,
Speaker 1: man U, multimillion dollar corporation, hundreds of millions of dollars
Speaker 1: coming in. But that's what it's easy to say. You're
Speaker 1: hard to say because how many of the corporations have
Speaker 1: guys fresh out on the streets from the penitentiaries working
Speaker 1: for him? Yeah, hey, I was loving it. The Rams
Speaker 1: was my favorite incident when we beat the Rams, right, Uh,
Speaker 1: they was mad at Shild stretched shield car. Shild came
Speaker 1: got us. We used at the Roxberry and uh, Shill
Speaker 1: came out. I mean we was drinking like it was
Speaker 1: the thing to do and there was no questions asked.
Speaker 1: We didn't find out too after what what the situation was.
Speaker 1: But but once once it was over and we worked
Speaker 1: them and these were some big These were some big boys.
Speaker 1: And uh that man def Ro deth Ro had his
Speaker 1: days on on uh making sure they was known. All right,
Speaker 1: Let's move on to another question here. Someone wanted to
Speaker 1: know was DJ Quick? I mean, I know the answer
Speaker 1: to this, But was DJ quickly ever signed the death Row?
Speaker 1: Why is that even a question? Is there a confusion
Speaker 1: about J Quick was instrumental of being up at Candam Studio.
Speaker 1: But what we all know, DJ Quick was signed the
Speaker 1: Protfile Records, which was the label that Ron DMC and
Speaker 1: all of them were signed to back in New York. Uh.
Speaker 1: Most people think Ron DMC and then we was signed
Speaker 1: to what depth jail, not the fact they were signed
Speaker 1: the Profile. But DJ Quick was signed to ship as
Speaker 1: a producer UM, but not as an artist. And that
Speaker 1: ship was also managing with this contract with UM with
Speaker 1: with Profile Records. Are getting some business handled like he
Speaker 1: did for Mary J. Blide. Wasn't he managing DJ Quick
Speaker 1: before even death Row blew up? Now that came after?
Speaker 1: That came later, Yeah, that came later. He had people
Speaker 1: that was with DJ Quick. You know Tony Lane. Shout
Speaker 1: out Tony Lane. I hope he's feeling better. People like
Speaker 1: that that was was dealing with was Quick or was
Speaker 1: trying to help him out um with the situation. But
Speaker 1: now sure Ship then uh Quick relationship didn't start up
Speaker 1: until after that for what was doing this night. So
Speaker 1: technically he was signed a death row, but as a
Speaker 1: producer only a producer only, and Ship was managing he
Speaker 1: and trying to get his paperwork and getting this stuff
Speaker 1: situation right with Profile, just like we know of him
Speaker 1: doing with Joe to See and Mary j. So if
Speaker 1: Quick wasn't find obligate because he was contractly obligated to
Speaker 1: Profile Profile, he probably would have put something out on
Speaker 1: death row if he didn't have that contract. Oh, he
Speaker 1: did a couple of songs for him. A matter of fact,
Speaker 1: I reached back to a Quick while she was in
Speaker 1: jail and on death row and cut because he always
Speaker 1: wanted to do a video for Black Pussy Man. And
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, Quick, you know what, we got
Speaker 1: some money we over here, peanuts right now doing something.
Speaker 1: Come on over here, we're going to shoot this little
Speaker 1: video to the soul black Pussy And we just did
Speaker 1: that for him, you know, and shot you know, and
Speaker 1: shot that video. So y'all check out Black Pussy. It
Speaker 1: was never released commercially or anything like that, but you
Speaker 1: know it's out there on the internet. It was a
Speaker 1: hot song back in on his album. I think Jane
Speaker 1: did you cross pass with DJ Quick During these years,
Speaker 1: Oh man, I've been knowing that that little cat from
Speaker 1: their neighborhood. Man, the homeboys, they're gonna get you there
Speaker 1: from tree Top. But he was doing everybody don't know,
Speaker 1: we're looking tree Top the same right. No, they actually
Speaker 1: called the truth tree Top, Fruit Town, the west Side
Speaker 1: far Rouge, they all called the truth right now fire
Speaker 1: But yeah, I knew him when he was was mixing
Speaker 1: his tape. Let me let me cut you all that
Speaker 1: cease far done after the Nimpsey thing or just done
Speaker 1: before that. No, this was just recently done. See everybody
Speaker 1: taking follow following suit. That's the one thing that's happening
Speaker 1: from the West Side with the guys from sixties and
Speaker 1: uh eight trade and all they're doing. I noticed a
Speaker 1: lot of games are starting to try to do the
Speaker 1: truth thing in their neighborhood. But about discussions between the
Speaker 1: Fruit Towns and the tree Top. But get back to
Speaker 1: what you were saying, James. I've been knowing since he
Speaker 1: was just doing his little mixtapes and all that. We
Speaker 1: was doing our thing, he was doing his thing. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been knowing him for a minute. Cool time. Alright.
Speaker 1: So another another person wanted to know, was Tupac broke
Speaker 1: before he died. I mean, it's funny, but it's not funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the best conception. Um, well,
Speaker 1: number one, when he was in jails, he was broke.
Speaker 1: That's why we reached out to him, or that's why
Speaker 1: he had his girl. His wife at the time reached
Speaker 1: out the show. That was what s going on when
Speaker 1: she reached out and called and just was like, hey,
Speaker 1: I need some money and fifteen heavy. Uh make arrangements
Speaker 1: to get fifteen thousand. Now let's put on his books. Um,
Speaker 1: he was, you know, have financial situation then. So how
Speaker 1: the conversation went was should girl his wife not sulgar wife.
Speaker 1: Tupac's wife reached out, I can't think of her name, Keisha,
Speaker 1: I think, reached out the ship and was like, hey,
Speaker 1: Park needs some money put on his book. So you
Speaker 1: want to, you know, see what you can do. Because
Speaker 1: they interscope not looking out for him right now. They're
Speaker 1: saying that he's unrecouped, and so she'll immediately shot fifteen
Speaker 1: dollars and put on his books. Didn't take anything of it.
Speaker 1: You know, he had already tried to solicit Pop as
Speaker 1: far as being on death roll and all of that,
Speaker 1: and Park to it. And I ain't ready for y'all.
Speaker 1: Y'all too wild over there. And so Sho parked then
Speaker 1: reached out the ship, made a phone call and got
Speaker 1: on the phone, say, hey, should can you come and
Speaker 1: see me? I need you to come up here and
Speaker 1: see me because people don't know. Park was having it
Speaker 1: hard in prison. I mean, I know we all have
Speaker 1: it hard, but he's having it especially hard. It was
Speaker 1: rumors of things that that happened to him out there
Speaker 1: that y'all didn't heard. I've heard a few rumors, but
Speaker 1: I never believe all right, But anyway, you ain't getting
Speaker 1: me speaking on that, just getting anyway. So we reached
Speaker 1: out to him and went up there and visit and
Speaker 1: visit Park while he was in jail, and Shill went
Speaker 1: in and at that time he came back. I just
Speaker 1: remember him coming back, you know, to the limo and said, man, Pockets,
Speaker 1: you know, he ain't doing well, but we're gonna try
Speaker 1: to get him on death Row. He wanted to be
Speaker 1: down and go try to get some of his money
Speaker 1: from Interscope and he wants me to look out, and
Speaker 1: so we went up there and made about two or
Speaker 1: three trips up there. Eventually, David Kinner the company attorney
Speaker 1: and was handling most of the business affairs, we went
Speaker 1: up there with us and they came up with a
Speaker 1: way to get him out of prison, and they got
Speaker 1: him out and got him signed. All that he pretty
Speaker 1: much asked for was for Shipped. H helped get his
Speaker 1: MoMA in the house and to get him out, and
Speaker 1: that's what Ship did. Got his mama situated with a
Speaker 1: house out in Atlanta, and we eventually got him out
Speaker 1: of jail on a bond. You know, people be like, oh,
Speaker 1: death Row didn't put up any money or anything like that. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: should going to put up seven hundred and fifty of
Speaker 1: the million and a half. But the other seven hundred
Speaker 1: fifty Interscope put up. But they builded back to there
Speaker 1: from so you know, just it's like a loan, you know,
Speaker 1: if you get advance on something and you have to
Speaker 1: pay it back, But that was guaranteed money they were
Speaker 1: getting back because they were getting the baddest rapper on earth.
Speaker 1: They already had him. They had they had an album
Speaker 1: Me Against the World, that just sold too million records
Speaker 1: while he was in prison. But that wasn't a death
Speaker 1: row record. That was That's my point. They already had him.
Speaker 1: They just was tired of when you make so many,
Speaker 1: so much money in millions of dollars, to be like,
Speaker 1: do I have to deal with us? Why do I
Speaker 1: have to keep doing with this? That's how white folks think, like,
Speaker 1: is it is this million dollar gonna change my life anymore? No?
Speaker 1: And so that's what you want him no more. They
Speaker 1: left him in jail and then they didn't try to
Speaker 1: get him out on an appeal bond. I mean, he
Speaker 1: was going through so many controversial things that it's probably
Speaker 1: more of a liability of keeping this artist, especially when
Speaker 1: they're trying to get it over Time Warner, who was
Speaker 1: trying to get a cable deal. They had now corporate
Speaker 1: or big major companies behind them. They weren't just a
Speaker 1: private company anymore. You know. That's that's what Time Warner
Speaker 1: and the Lords Tucker and Bob Duell situations. Y'all go
Speaker 1: research that, you'll see what all of that was behind.
Speaker 1: So that was the restraints that Interscope had at the time.
Speaker 1: So anyway, um, so basically was he broke or not? Okay,
Speaker 1: but the question was when he died. So I'm saying,
Speaker 1: so he's broke. There, we're not doing well. So he
Speaker 1: came to death Row, did all of this stuff. His
Speaker 1: first album commercial release was released on death Row February
Speaker 1: All Eyes on Me, amazing album Anybody that was a
Speaker 1: double CD, double CD. We had, did all those videos
Speaker 1: which could bills back to the artist. He had cars.
Speaker 1: He was living on on Wilshire in the penthouse. First
Speaker 1: before that he was living in a Peninsula hotel at
Speaker 1: two rooms for his homeboy Big Psych and Bowl and
Speaker 1: then one of my security guards and then he was
Speaker 1: standing in the penhoffs. So you got all of that
Speaker 1: money's been spent the day. My point is he has
Speaker 1: spent a lot of money, had all of this unlimited
Speaker 1: studio time. We know, we see how much records was there.
Speaker 1: All of that gets to build back to the artists
Speaker 1: and the videos and all of that. And then this
Speaker 1: is what most people don't know, is it takes a
Speaker 1: hundred eighty days before a record company is supposed to
Speaker 1: give you a county or give you you know, you
Speaker 1: know you're what you made like an expensive for Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're expensive for what you But he did so well,
Speaker 1: he was in the positive. But there was money been spent.
Speaker 1: Some people are like, well, well that's why y'all, that's
Speaker 1: why he was killed. That's why they had you killed
Speaker 1: because y'all knew all this money that y'all was going on. Now,
Speaker 1: it wasn't that much money that was gonna be old
Speaker 1: to him, but he wasn't due accounting yet. It is
Speaker 1: my question. So he had money. But it's funny to
Speaker 1: me why people always say why death Road cheated anymore?
Speaker 1: Why death Row didn't give him all the money when
Speaker 1: we forgot he did two movies? Where is that money?
Speaker 1: She had no control over his movie moneys. He had
Speaker 1: a publishing deal. He didn't have a public suding deal
Speaker 1: with Marrying Night or shild Night Publishing or death Row,
Speaker 1: So where is that money? So people just don't realize it.
Speaker 1: You know, the money wasn't due yet when he died.
Speaker 1: When he got killed, I understanding, So what did the
Speaker 1: money go? If he got killed and it was old
Speaker 1: on where did it go? Wouldn't there be state that
Speaker 1: gets the money. That's who got it. The state got
Speaker 1: it by the time she would have got a larger
Speaker 1: you know, she had to get the business, right. I
Speaker 1: understand why that would be a mother and the mother
Speaker 1: who bart who had money to buy out the daddy,
Speaker 1: because you know, that's what people don't understand. She did
Speaker 1: a great smart business move by done on this part
Speaker 1: in my mind, but she paid out his natural daddy
Speaker 1: seven hollars to get him out of the way where
Speaker 1: she became near because he was coming. He was kind.
Speaker 1: He's just as much right and she does um. And
Speaker 1: you know when you don't have a will, a will
Speaker 1: or trust or stink, that's why people, black folks, we
Speaker 1: got to get the trust, so the living trusting how
Speaker 1: you can have stuff done the way you want to
Speaker 1: done when you die, because we never know what we're
Speaker 1: gonna die. Go ahead, ja. So technically he didn't have
Speaker 1: no money, but when he died he had in the state.
Speaker 1: He had a hundred some thous in his account. Everything
Speaker 1: was being paid paid for, but he had money coming.
Speaker 1: Like I said, if we do the math on the dates,
Speaker 1: from when this album was released to the time he
Speaker 1: you know, he died, it wasn't within a days yet
Speaker 1: with your six months and plus you had money coming in.
Speaker 1: Probably when he passed, he was probably at the peak
Speaker 1: of his money earning ability at that time, probably the
Speaker 1: most he made any previous. And you know when people say, well,
Speaker 1: where was the money from me against the World and
Speaker 1: all that, Well he was unrecoup because we forget he
Speaker 1: had all the legal fees and think is that was
Speaker 1: going on in its life that caused him to be
Speaker 1: in that situation And most people don't know you don't
Speaker 1: make as much money as we think off of albums.
Speaker 1: Where you generally make your money is from your publishing
Speaker 1: deals and from your from your shows. You're basically making
Speaker 1: like a dollar per cdu. So yeah, all right, last
Speaker 1: part on this death Row history because we we we'll
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about death Row every episode. But
Speaker 1: last question is people want to know more about your background,
Speaker 1: James and death Row and what you were doing. Gift
Speaker 1: to give us a little brief synopsis of what you
Speaker 1: were doing when you were there. Where I started before
Speaker 1: it was death Row, it was Furnair Records. When I
Speaker 1: started with shug Um. Uh basically just just right here man,
Speaker 1: just just security. Uh. I went where he went. We
Speaker 1: did the bubb Wiser stupid fest Um. We worked with
Speaker 1: Thomas Klein. We had they had so many different um
Speaker 1: jobs that I mean said I was. I was there
Speaker 1: all the way till uh getting um Mischel and Dre's
Speaker 1: contract from Rufless when the was around two. Then yeah,
Speaker 1: because his Yeah, when he uh, he was more in
Speaker 1: support with Sugar and just kicking it with Sugar. I
Speaker 1: remember when Sugar gave him his car that that uh,
Speaker 1: the the Carvette, the car that he had the accident in,
Speaker 1: and uh, he was all messed up, but he was
Speaker 1: just basically hanging around Sugar at the time, and uh
Speaker 1: he was doing this thing. But I did all kinds
Speaker 1: of stuff with Sugar until I went to jail with separators.
Speaker 1: And nine was two and ninety two. I went to
Speaker 1: jail for attempted murder and uh what me and one
Speaker 1: of my little homes. And I stayed in there nine
Speaker 1: ten months finding the case, and uh came home, came back.
Speaker 1: When I came back, a lot of it was different,
Speaker 1: A lot of it was different. And then going back
Speaker 1: and forth up there and then we opened up. Let
Speaker 1: me ride out Dralics. So I took a shot at
Speaker 1: the Draflic shops building cars and stuff whatever. You Uh,
Speaker 1: A lot of history should and during your brother was
Speaker 1: still locked up. He didn't. He was in prison. He
Speaker 1: was doing nine years at the time for the assault
Speaker 1: on the police officer. And Uh, I always told you
Speaker 1: when you when you come home, you're gonna be all right.
Speaker 1: I got you. You got a spot. And we ran
Speaker 1: across each other when they sent me from the penetention
Speaker 1: to the county jail. He was um in the county
Speaker 1: jail already. We ran across each other and he had
Speaker 1: came home, so we was and and I haven't I
Speaker 1: didn't see him for what eleven years since then from
Speaker 1: that point because eleven years I didn't see him. Two
Speaker 1: years prior to him going to jail, he did seven
Speaker 1: and a half, almost eight years after nine and a half,
Speaker 1: and he was going for a minute. Then he came on,
Speaker 1: gave him a job and that was it. That was it. Uh.
Speaker 1: For those of y'all don't know who his brother is,
Speaker 1: Bunty uh Sills right here, man Bunchy and Alton McDonald. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he became the right hand. Man. I was, I was
Speaker 1: wonder that was scared to fly. And you know Sugar
Speaker 1: was going North Carolina, New York and all this. I
Speaker 1: wasn't getting on the plane like that. Uh. We got
Speaker 1: on the plane one time. Man, it was raining and thundering,
Speaker 1: and I couldn't do it. So you go with Shig
Speaker 1: and a bunch of started going with him, and that's
Speaker 1: when him and bunch of me and Sugar got closer.
Speaker 1: And then this when all the Jake's and the Harns
Speaker 1: and all and all the other guys came in. So
Speaker 1: it was good for a minute. It was good for
Speaker 1: a minute. Alright, So let's move on to uh our
Speaker 1: next topic here. UH former Sheriff Lee Baca, who was
Speaker 1: convicted of police corruption a couple of years ago, lost
Speaker 1: his I would say, his final appeal, although there is
Speaker 1: a chance for one more appeal. But he's seventy six
Speaker 1: years old. He's a convicted felon. I guess he was
Speaker 1: supposed to do five years. Maybe it's three, I'm not
Speaker 1: exactly sure. Um, what's your take on this? Uh, seventy
Speaker 1: six year old man that claims now he has Alzheimer's disease.
Speaker 1: This never came up prior to the investigation that the
Speaker 1: FBI had against the sheriff department. But now he's got Alzheimer's,
Speaker 1: he's seventy six. He doesn't want to do his time
Speaker 1: in the FEDS. What what say you, James? My take
Speaker 1: on it is he ain't no different from me and
Speaker 1: nobody else. They go to jail. They job is to
Speaker 1: put us in the jail and give us the maximum
Speaker 1: time for the crime we committed. So I think, man,
Speaker 1: what's the difference. What's the difference? He committed a crime,
Speaker 1: you should pay for it. My thing is he only
Speaker 1: was sentenced to what three, four or five years? Let's
Speaker 1: say it's three years. If if this was you or
Speaker 1: me that committed this type of corruption, we would be
Speaker 1: looking at ten fifteen. I think he got a sweet deal.
Speaker 1: In fact, many of the deputies that went to prison
Speaker 1: under him got six years, seven years, eight years. So
Speaker 1: how does the head of the whole organization that's involved
Speaker 1: in you got more time than they did Because he's
Speaker 1: the main man. He's the main man. What I don't understand.
Speaker 1: Reggie helped me understand this. About three or four deputies
Speaker 1: were sentenced like six, seven, eight, years only doing what
Speaker 1: Lee Baka told him to do. But lie Baka gets
Speaker 1: less time than these guys. Number one, lie Baka got
Speaker 1: put in jail for mainly uh in in charge. That's it.
Speaker 1: His boy Paul Tanaka is the one that was pulling
Speaker 1: all the strings. Uh. Lee Baca allowed his undershare which
Speaker 1: most sheriff does uh to to do all the all
Speaker 1: the dirty work that was being done. Um, so let's
Speaker 1: get that on the table. Um. His main conviction was
Speaker 1: for lying to the FBI agents, which I knew a
Speaker 1: lot of brothers that they got uh probation uh damon
Speaker 1: Thomas on that being being uh b mL situation where
Speaker 1: he lied to the FBI agents and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: You'll know him as DJ Assassin or with the underdogs.
Speaker 1: He he did that and he only got probation out
Speaker 1: of that. So there's people out there they got it
Speaker 1: probation from for you know, giving false information to the
Speaker 1: FBI agents or or law enforcement agents. So that was
Speaker 1: the main reason that he was convicted. And so five
Speaker 1: years is a little steep. The prosecution originally was only
Speaker 1: given him recommending a six months of jail time and
Speaker 1: then that's when the judge said or even hold on,
Speaker 1: that's not enough time. And that's when he pulled the
Speaker 1: deal off the table. Because what y'all don't know about
Speaker 1: the fears. Usually the state courts, they don't override what
Speaker 1: the d A and the defense attorneys come up with.
Speaker 1: But with the fans, they the judge to tell you
Speaker 1: right there when you're taking a deal, Hey, you're taking
Speaker 1: a gamble, and the prosecution is taking a gamble. It's
Speaker 1: up to me. They do not give up their power.
Speaker 1: And that's one of the situations where we learned from
Speaker 1: where the judge is like, hey, no, um, I won't
Speaker 1: give more time if you still want to plead guilty,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to agree to what the U S
Speaker 1: Attorney or the assistant US Attorney is is recommended. Wisely,
Speaker 1: Baa fighting this sentence so much will his pension or
Speaker 1: other things being impacted by this because he retired. That's
Speaker 1: the one thing. Only lose your your retirement if you
Speaker 1: get convicted of committing a felony while your employed. Liebaka
Speaker 1: went and went to try to meet with the administration,
Speaker 1: the Department of Justice in Washington, d C. I remember
Speaker 1: that in like two thousand, two thousand fourteen, he got
Speaker 1: back on the plane that Monday, he all of a
Speaker 1: sudden retired. He retired the next day, and so he
Speaker 1: already knew that, Hey, they're about to indict my it
Speaker 1: was coming. It was coming, and so they know they
Speaker 1: have to say that their their pension by retiring. So
Speaker 1: that was a smart move. That was a smart move
Speaker 1: on his part. What what is the if he didn't retire,
Speaker 1: does he lose retirement? He would have lost his whole
Speaker 1: retirement package. If you get convicted of a crime while
Speaker 1: you're still working, then you'll you'll lose it if you
Speaker 1: could convicted. Do you think that retiring before you're convicted
Speaker 1: is a loophole that should exist? Well, how do you know?
Speaker 1: You know you you know he didn't have to get indicted.
Speaker 1: That's just what he felt was coming down the change. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, for any any officer or deputy that's
Speaker 1: charged with a felony and found guilty of it, just
Speaker 1: because you retired before the conviction came through, is that
Speaker 1: a loophole that that should exist for officers to take
Speaker 1: advantage of, Because that's what it is. It's a loophole
Speaker 1: he didn't have to get He could have retired and
Speaker 1: didn't get indicted. There's a lot of people I know
Speaker 1: a couple of years that this speculator doing things or
Speaker 1: it was under investigation and never got indicted. So that's
Speaker 1: because you're getting investigated, don't mean you're gonna get indicted.
Speaker 1: The point if if you just say Pencing, if he
Speaker 1: got indicted and he they gave him five years, three years,
Speaker 1: should he lose everything just because he got convicted of
Speaker 1: a crime. So why should he get his pension? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's basically what I was asking. Why should he get it?
Speaker 1: Why shouldn't he because it's different from us. I mean,
Speaker 1: how's it different from you? If you can lose your
Speaker 1: job at the trash company and you're gon and let's go.
Speaker 1: Let's let's go through all the rights and civilians lose
Speaker 1: when they're convicted of a crime. They lose their rights
Speaker 1: to vote, to vote, to own a gun, and there's
Speaker 1: several other rights that we lose. And he lost him
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, but I just want to take his
Speaker 1: livelihood something that he worked thirty years, thirty eight years
Speaker 1: of doing You want to take that away from him
Speaker 1: and his family? Why? I mean, if he did something
Speaker 1: silly where they consue him and then you you know,
Speaker 1: you you have to get paid for that, you know,
Speaker 1: the the particular person that he got in trouble for,
Speaker 1: because those of y'all don't know the situation. They was
Speaker 1: hiding an FBI a snitch within the jail that was
Speaker 1: working for the FBI. They was hiring him within the
Speaker 1: county system, moving them from because in his mind and
Speaker 1: lead walking their minds. So they said, the defense was
Speaker 1: was that that they were committing a state a state
Speaker 1: crime and so they were, um, they were felt that
Speaker 1: him and the FBI agent committed state charges. Well, you can't.
Speaker 1: The federal government supersedes the state. They have federal laws
Speaker 1: and they have state laws. Just like here, it's not
Speaker 1: illegal to uh to possess marijuana or whatever. It is
Speaker 1: actually illegal. Marijuana is illegal not in the state, not
Speaker 1: in the state, in the state, but federally it is. Yes,
Speaker 1: it is. That was my point was just because you
Speaker 1: have stayed law. Just like in Utah it's not illegal
Speaker 1: to have more than one y but federal crimes it is.
Speaker 1: So what I'm saying different states have different but the
Speaker 1: way the way lie Baka and Paul Tanaka try to
Speaker 1: spend it it was that they were going to try
Speaker 1: to investigate defense like they even threatened that female FBI
Speaker 1: agent of arresting. And it doesn't to me, tell me
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, they didn't do it. That was the
Speaker 1: other the other people that you were talking abo. They
Speaker 1: was under under their command. The way, it doesn't work
Speaker 1: that the county Law Enforcement department could arrest and investigate
Speaker 1: a federal law enforcement if you commit a state crime.
Speaker 1: But they were just investigating abuses in the county jail.
Speaker 1: That's all it was. And that's why they had federally charged,
Speaker 1: you know, by by by the they wasn't committed, They
Speaker 1: wasn't convicted of doing any state state crime. Well, if
Speaker 1: Jackie Lacey would have investigated, how do we know that
Speaker 1: there wasn't anything that that was violated on the state level.
Speaker 1: Jackie Lazy doesn't investigate any law enforcement since she became
Speaker 1: the d A of Los Angeles County, and I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: I don't think I think that was under somebody else's
Speaker 1: But how do we know that any state um violations
Speaker 1: didn't occur? You know, all I know is that people
Speaker 1: are getting asked in l A County jail. Are they
Speaker 1: recovering it up and Lee Baca, the sheriff, was covering
Speaker 1: it up or people up under his command, up under
Speaker 1: his command. But but Liebaka got word of it, Paul
Speaker 1: Paul to not Donna Lea Baka got word of it,
Speaker 1: and they said, hide that inmate. And when you called
Speaker 1: the snitch, I don't call them snitches when they work
Speaker 1: for the when when they're investigating the cops. When he
Speaker 1: was okay, whatever, But that's what he was. He was
Speaker 1: a federal informant for the FBI, trying to work off
Speaker 1: a case for the federally for federal not not even
Speaker 1: for his state charge that he was in custody for now, James,
Speaker 1: I know you've heard of many stories people getting their
Speaker 1: ask being the county jail. Been in the county jail.
Speaker 1: I was in the gang, monju. Let me just say
Speaker 1: that deputies and people that does that needs to be
Speaker 1: violated or are you know, need to go to jail.
Speaker 1: These are these are a lot of things that they
Speaker 1: do and they can't do in the county jail. Take
Speaker 1: your food with you're with the water holes and leave
Speaker 1: your land there. But all of those are and all
Speaker 1: of those things are wrong discussion. Yes, I've been treated
Speaker 1: like that many times in the county jail. From as
Speaker 1: soon as I walk in there. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: They busting you upside of your head. If you take
Speaker 1: your shoulder off the wall, you're getting smacked. The next
Speaker 1: thing you know, you got ten fifteen deputies on you.
Speaker 1: I've been in the in the gang module where one
Speaker 1: of the homies was on the phone and they took
Speaker 1: the phone. He was talking to his mom's caught her
Speaker 1: a bitch and hung hang up his phone from this bitch.
Speaker 1: And now as a gang ward and the dogs biting
Speaker 1: you getting shot with them rubber bullets. So I've been
Speaker 1: in that. So they take it totally overboard. Man. It's
Speaker 1: a cold thing to sleep on some steel in a
Speaker 1: puddle of water, wet, and and they just closed that game.
Speaker 1: Media there and stuff like that needs to be investigated.
Speaker 1: And if I say something or report what they did,
Speaker 1: it goes unrecognized. You would you call one of your
Speaker 1: homeboys in the gang module. That's giving the fans information
Speaker 1: on us getting our asses kicked a snitch. No, that's
Speaker 1: just his knowledge. That's if we don't say nothing, then
Speaker 1: who will? And why were you gotta be a snitch
Speaker 1: if he's telling, if he's telling how they're treating us
Speaker 1: in here, telling on the police. No, he's telling how
Speaker 1: the police is beating us in here, that makes him.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the case is about. So he
Speaker 1: asked the question, So is he a snitch because he's
Speaker 1: telling the phone? He had the phone and I gave
Speaker 1: him my phone and he was in there. But I'm
Speaker 1: not saying he was a snitch for that. He said
Speaker 1: he was a snitch because he was working with the
Speaker 1: a F on this case. He's been for me one.
Speaker 1: They didn't just recruit him. He's always been and always
Speaker 1: been in there, and like he just went in there
Speaker 1: and picked out and said, oh let me go get
Speaker 1: uh James McDonald and James McDonald coming on work for me.
Speaker 1: He was already an informant of the Okay Ejaculacy took
Speaker 1: over in two thousand twelves and when these indictments came under,
Speaker 1: they were under her tenure. So she did absolutely nothing,
Speaker 1: um and she absolutely has never really instigated it probably
Speaker 1: wasn't even brought to her the the answerdent probably wasn't
Speaker 1: even brought to her. Maybe so maybe so yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know, but they didn't they trust me. They then
Speaker 1: lost their they were embarrassed. Tim Cops been indicted on
Speaker 1: the on the matter, and the deputy has been indicted
Speaker 1: and everyone's been in prison except Liebaka and Lee Baker's
Speaker 1: and he trust me and spent tons of money and
Speaker 1: trust me. He's going to even the prosecution to now
Speaker 1: it's still only recommended that he does two years on
Speaker 1: on the three years sentence. That to understand it's scary though.
Speaker 1: Just think out of them eighteen, how many if just
Speaker 1: say seven of them would have made it to the
Speaker 1: streets in a in a car. This is what we'd
Speaker 1: have had to deal with. Oh no, they were past cars.
Speaker 1: These were people win been in being in cars. And
Speaker 1: these were sergeants and I think they were all all
Speaker 1: different ages. There were some young, some old ones. They
Speaker 1: was under Paul to knock us ring, which you like
Speaker 1: you said, you know, yeah, they they you know they
Speaker 1: were they were following the sergeant's direction as um easy
Speaker 1: he said in this all. So what do you think
Speaker 1: about a seventies six year old man, Lee Baka h
Speaker 1: going to prison? Bill Cosby in jail? True? Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: serious If you can like Bill Cosby up and at
Speaker 1: eighty seven years old, that white man ain't no difference.
Speaker 1: We all, well, if I could be, if I kill
Speaker 1: you and I'm not, you're going to jail. Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: going to jail. So now we were comparing a person
Speaker 1: that lied to the FBI to lead drapists. All right,
Speaker 1: the age difference just because he's so we're just talked
Speaker 1: about the age. So you think this man shouldn't go
Speaker 1: to jail. Um, No, you don't think you should serious
Speaker 1: a little bit of time one year in the fs
Speaker 1: he's going to do two years. Yeah, but you don't
Speaker 1: even want him doing two years. I can care less.
Speaker 1: I don't know it, but but I'm saying the principality
Speaker 1: of it from knowing how our system works, from probation
Speaker 1: to all of this. And I know you all would say, well,
Speaker 1: he should have known better because he was a cop.
Speaker 1: He shouldn't even know. But this man is going to
Speaker 1: jail for giving false information to some FBI agents who
Speaker 1: claimed to have dementia when he was talking to the
Speaker 1: FBI agents. Well, I don't believe any of that's true,
Speaker 1: but that's his claim, that's his defense. Well, this is
Speaker 1: what made the fens so upset when they would go
Speaker 1: try to visit the quote unquote snitch. I think his
Speaker 1: name is Anthony Brown. They're literally telling federal agents, Oh,
Speaker 1: he's not here, Oh we can't find them. Oh he's
Speaker 1: in transport right now. Oh he's in court. I mean,
Speaker 1: everything was a lie. They were deliberately preventing the do that. Well,
Speaker 1: it has to come down from Paul to Knaka and Liebaka.
Speaker 1: In fact, there was one woman that was told the
Speaker 1: jail for This is why it became a big thing
Speaker 1: and it piste off the US attorney and the judges
Speaker 1: and all of that was because the two sergeants that
Speaker 1: worked for Paul Tanaka went to the FBI agent's house
Speaker 1: and threatened to arrest her for sneaking a phone into
Speaker 1: their jail facility, which you can't do that what without
Speaker 1: a court, without a warrant. She was wrong. They should
Speaker 1: they should have called her superiors and said, hey, we
Speaker 1: need to talk. That's all meat. What's the crime for
Speaker 1: the federal agent that's investigating potential crimes that the l
Speaker 1: as sheriff deputies are committing of giving a phone to
Speaker 1: an inmate that was called warrants. That's what you get
Speaker 1: want you get that approved by But then why did
Speaker 1: all these people end up going to jail? Then that
Speaker 1: should these cases should be dismissed. Then yeah, well that's
Speaker 1: that's the argument, that's the most of the defense one.
Speaker 1: None of this, zero of the sheriff deputy's cases were dismissed.
Speaker 1: They all were found guilty. Some got lesser sentences for cooperating. Um. Correct,
Speaker 1: But I'm surprised that many of them have got more
Speaker 1: time than Leebaka and pault Naka did. Even though they're
Speaker 1: doing what the houses and made threats and and there's
Speaker 1: some other things, they were mainly the ones doing it,
Speaker 1: and like you said, up falling there there are trying
Speaker 1: to impress their superior because I'm the one that don't
Speaker 1: believe the superiors tell you everything. You know what to do?
Speaker 1: Are you do this? You do this? They just say
Speaker 1: get it done, and they elected to do those things
Speaker 1: to get it done that way. Well, the last thing
Speaker 1: I want to say on this, there was a clerk
Speaker 1: that was working with the sheriff and a deputy told
Speaker 1: her to change the location of where Mr Brown is
Speaker 1: out on the computer exactly. And she said Uh, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do that, and he said, no, you
Speaker 1: have to do it. He said, from why she said,
Speaker 1: give me a letter and then I'll do it, And
Speaker 1: he didn't have a letter, so she never did it.
Speaker 1: And I wish I knew her name. I want to
Speaker 1: commend her because she had some integrity and she would
Speaker 1: not be intimidated by a deputy telling her to change
Speaker 1: something in the computer, where most of the time I
Speaker 1: think that all these people in the fall in line
Speaker 1: with whatever cops tell you to do. And that's my point. Well, no,
Speaker 1: that ain't true. That isn't true, And that's my point
Speaker 1: where you have some that are dirty or wrong, but
Speaker 1: not the whole system. But the way she told the
Speaker 1: story was the deputy was trying to intimidate her, and
Speaker 1: of course she said, well, give me the letter from
Speaker 1: from Liebaka or Paul to Knaka that says to do this,
Speaker 1: and I'll do it. But unless you show me, uh
Speaker 1: some documentation, I'm not doing And if lee Baka was
Speaker 1: involved in it the way we wanted to be portrayed,
Speaker 1: he would have just said hold on and got Liebako
Speaker 1: on the phone and called Liebak and say hey, liebaka
Speaker 1: tell this just what I just told her to do.
Speaker 1: But the lieve I could do that, I wouldn't put
Speaker 1: my name on the paperwork. All right, let's move on
Speaker 1: to Uh. Nobody ever thought it would have blew up
Speaker 1: like it did. We talked a little bit about this
Speaker 1: inn episode three. Nipsey Hustle's UH friend that was with
Speaker 1: him when he got shot, Carrie Laton. He survived the shooting.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately Nipsey Hustle did not. UM They violated his parole
Speaker 1: for being with Nipsey Hustle and last week he was
Speaker 1: in custody, but for whatever reason he's free. Now, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's something, in my opinion, has to be changed, that
Speaker 1: law because that's what you know, our people that live
Speaker 1: in different parts of the city, they don't understand that
Speaker 1: most of the people that we grew up with or
Speaker 1: live with um our felons are are been in the situation.
Speaker 1: And that's something that's got to change. Where I understand
Speaker 1: when they state they're trying to employ the law or
Speaker 1: have the law where it's like when you go out
Speaker 1: there hanging and kicking it at the part and pouring
Speaker 1: out drinking eight balls and forties and all the out
Speaker 1: together that they don't want you congregating or hanging out together,
Speaker 1: and then you possibly can get violated for parole for that.
Speaker 1: But Nipsey was supposedly a he was not supposedly he was.
Speaker 1: He was a well what you're calling somebody positive, you know,
Speaker 1: helping out, looking out for the man. So he he
Speaker 1: shouldn't have been considered because he was a game, a
Speaker 1: documented game member, and that's why the system didn't do
Speaker 1: the right thing and let him out. But y'all missing
Speaker 1: the underlying, um what's going on? I know what in
Speaker 1: my mind from my experience and law enforcement why they
Speaker 1: put the man in jail. The man is in jail
Speaker 1: because he wasn't cooperating and I'm not saying he should
Speaker 1: or shifting, but because he wasn't given the statements that
Speaker 1: he needed to uh to put the guys shitty or
Speaker 1: whatever is culture. Plenty of evidence of who the shooter was.
Speaker 1: But want your case even better when you got somebody
Speaker 1: standing right there, Because a video video tape alone is
Speaker 1: not enough to uh um to um to prosecute someone
Speaker 1: just because you still have somebody on videotape. You need
Speaker 1: other people you need, and nothing better than an eyewitness
Speaker 1: that was there that can tell the story. But I
Speaker 1: understand this is a man that just did twenty five
Speaker 1: years in jail or not in jail, in prison, and
Speaker 1: so I understand what he's reluctant to to talk, which
Speaker 1: most people don't understand. I understand, I completely understand. I
Speaker 1: understand most people don't. You know, most people listening, you know,
Speaker 1: are our people are white folks, like what, what's what's
Speaker 1: going on? Why? What is the issue? That's your friend
Speaker 1: that got killed? Or yeah? I think that not one
Speaker 1: of the is an American thing. It goes back to
Speaker 1: the um when our mothers told us stop tattle telling.
Speaker 1: We grow up in the United States with the notion
Speaker 1: of tattle telling. It is not good. But do everyone
Speaker 1: have that Chico whether And that's across all racials. I
Speaker 1: don't think background and my neighbors will call the fucking
Speaker 1: police on me, and they hear me and my wife
Speaker 1: are you and they're gonna be calling the police? Obviously?
Speaker 1: Would you shout out, woman, you don't know? People gonna
Speaker 1: call the police. Most police officers are what race in
Speaker 1: America and most of them, yeah, but most police officers
Speaker 1: would never tell on another police officer when they see
Speaker 1: them doing wrong. That's not true, You're crazy. Most officers
Speaker 1: will never tell another cop over, James, come online is over.
Speaker 1: Don't get me And we had this discussion last over
Speaker 1: and come on, man, I don't know where where don
Speaker 1: HPD cops al Rodney King. I would say the blue
Speaker 1: line has changed, but cops that that that husband and
Speaker 1: that wife get on that standard in testify. Yeah, I remember, alright,
Speaker 1: and that was but we still have the same belief
Speaker 1: within the culture of the police that once you tell
Speaker 1: on another officer, you're considered no good. Now, maybe that's
Speaker 1: not across the board. I'm not saying, be officers. I
Speaker 1: don't think those days are over. You have clicks, You
Speaker 1: have clicks that you know four or five, but to
Speaker 1: get a whole department behind you, those days are over.
Speaker 1: I see administrator in chief and copts and stuff. They'll
Speaker 1: be trying to get you, like, okay, he did, what
Speaker 1: bring me somep with this? That go ahead, James, I
Speaker 1: don't know, man, I think uh, Red just is just
Speaker 1: watering this down on there too much. Just kind of
Speaker 1: listen to me. Don't be mad. If you listen to me,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you man, there's not a police out
Speaker 1: there that I not too many that I know of
Speaker 1: what I actually don't know nothing, but yo pops, good cops.
Speaker 1: It ain't too many cops like yo pops. I have
Speaker 1: not seen them. I mean I look on my phone
Speaker 1: and I see that what they're doing over there, but
Speaker 1: not in not in Compton, not in the l A.
Speaker 1: They were you all over They are already thinking he
Speaker 1: might got a gun. I gotta do this, I gotta
Speaker 1: do that. They got their guns in their hands, are
Speaker 1: already rich. You paint the picture as if man, some
Speaker 1: of these like like the majority of these cops is
Speaker 1: like really like good cops, all of them, not all
Speaker 1: of them are not. I mean, it's it's well. The
Speaker 1: reason why I brought up about the cops is because
Speaker 1: they should understand that a guy like Carrie Lathan, who
Speaker 1: just did twenty five years in prison, it's not gonna
Speaker 1: feel comfortable talking about who just shot him, right, But
Speaker 1: see the police when they when they do, but they
Speaker 1: don't care because they're trying to make that case. They're
Speaker 1: trying to get that conviction, make that case, get that case.
Speaker 1: What two Fox situation, if SI Knight would have said,
Speaker 1: are are are are? Could Affi or um Eady would
Speaker 1: have said they saw baby Lane in that car in Vegas,
Speaker 1: which they they did, and would have told that that
Speaker 1: case would have been all or reasolved, But they didn't,
Speaker 1: so it didn't. But so I'm gonna try to push you.
Speaker 1: And that's why I follow around and try to get
Speaker 1: a case on you and try to and so to
Speaker 1: make you cooperate. And they go ahead and give them
Speaker 1: what they want. That's so you know, it's a cat
Speaker 1: and dog and cat's situation that's going on with that.
Speaker 1: But they're trying to do their job. That's all they're
Speaker 1: trying to do is but they understand if you got nipsy, Hey,
Speaker 1: this guy just got killed. This thing to do. They
Speaker 1: didn't have a video tape and he got off of that.
Speaker 1: Everybody knew who he did it, and that man knew
Speaker 1: who did it, and and and and those two guys
Speaker 1: did that. How would we be feeling about them then
Speaker 1: if it wasn't on tape and camera. That young lady,
Speaker 1: she's about to go to jail. The driver. The driver,
Speaker 1: she's going to jail, trust me. The only reason she's
Speaker 1: not in jail yet it is because you don't pretty
Speaker 1: much tell me I'm enough to help put him in
Speaker 1: that car. But let her stop take changing her tune.
Speaker 1: Let her change her tune. She will be going to jail.
Speaker 1: I think she's going to jail. Well, they already have
Speaker 1: enough evidence to prosecute this case obviously without carry Layton's assistant.
Speaker 1: And I don't think he should have ever been arrested.
Speaker 1: He should have never been violated. Plus I think they
Speaker 1: need to change the conditions of parole. Yeah, you know what,
Speaker 1: they got enough to get her to get him just
Speaker 1: because of her putting him there at the at the
Speaker 1: store allegedly of course, yeah, yeah, yeah, what we believe
Speaker 1: that that she she's helping that. But she ain't told
Speaker 1: it all. She haven't told it all. She haven't told
Speaker 1: how she jumped out of from the passenger seat to
Speaker 1: the driver's seat. And it's how they want to kick
Speaker 1: it and laid up in the hotel and all of
Speaker 1: that and why you didn't try to anyway. And there's
Speaker 1: a lot of witnesses that actually we're doing interviews about
Speaker 1: they were there and they witnessed the whole thing and
Speaker 1: and what actually happened. I mean, there's all kind of
Speaker 1: stories going on. Everybody gonna that only only the three
Speaker 1: I think are the credible witness. But I thought the
Speaker 1: kind of hypocritical thing here was that Nipsey Hustle was
Speaker 1: supposed to be meeting with the l a p D
Speaker 1: the following day to talk about gang intervention. But then
Speaker 1: they're gonna violate carry for being in association with quote Hustle.
Speaker 1: Yeah that how hypocritical is that? But they led him
Speaker 1: out the system there, right, Yeah, but they got them.
Speaker 1: He was in a wheelchair, He's got a bullet in
Speaker 1: his back. He's sitting in the county jail. Who wants
Speaker 1: have been the county jail four weeks after? But he's
Speaker 1: already fifty six years old down And I don't I
Speaker 1: think it's if it wasn't for social media, public outcry,
Speaker 1: the Internet, the gangster chronicles, who knows he might be
Speaker 1: still sitting in there, right and Jill Court, Yeah, until
Speaker 1: the next court day. Because I actually know a couple
Speaker 1: of people that were violated. They violated their parole and
Speaker 1: they were a victim of a shooting. Yeah, he could
Speaker 1: actually get ninety days. They could have actually gave him
Speaker 1: the parole board could have gave him ninety days, but
Speaker 1: I think they should change that because unless you're commit
Speaker 1: with two game bangers, you associated like that, then they
Speaker 1: should okay, you're doing you commend to crime with another
Speaker 1: game member, and if she hustle, wouldn't parole system didn't
Speaker 1: care about the fact that they were two game members,
Speaker 1: being they I know the reason to talk to him,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Let me finish, That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So they got to work it out a different type
Speaker 1: of way. The way they're doing it because they know
Speaker 1: that man just got out of jail and just they
Speaker 1: didn't give a fuck if he just got out, but
Speaker 1: then to take him and put him back. What kind
Speaker 1: of police officers these? It just that's not bad police work.
Speaker 1: That's nuts. I mean, technically everything they did was legal,
Speaker 1: but there's something to say about I got your phone number.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna contract you if you tell me the ship.
Speaker 1: If I ain't talking to you, I ain't been a witness.
Speaker 1: What else you gonna do. I need you as a
Speaker 1: witness to make this case. I need you so buy
Speaker 1: him telling them off. I'm man, I just got out there.
Speaker 1: Now they're gonna say you, I can take you to jail.
Speaker 1: I need you to make this case. You got to
Speaker 1: see what they do. Their job is to make that case.
Speaker 1: That's their job. That's what we wanted to do to
Speaker 1: make that case. And so whatever I need to do
Speaker 1: to make that case within the loans, I'm going to do.
Speaker 1: And by putting pressure on Mr Lathan to cooperate and
Speaker 1: to talk puts him in a very dangerous situation where
Speaker 1: the police don't even care about that right there. And
Speaker 1: how many witnesses or potential witnesses have been shot and
Speaker 1: killed because the police didn't protect them over the years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, thousands, James says, thousands. I was gonna say hundreds,
Speaker 1: But I mean that's a bad situation. And that's you know,
Speaker 1: the witness protection plan protection programs is not the greatest
Speaker 1: and and all of that, and they try to put
Speaker 1: out rewards and all of that, which you have something
Speaker 1: sentence for people to do things. Um and judges don't care.
Speaker 1: I was working on a case once where this woman
Speaker 1: was a witness and they brought her to the court
Speaker 1: that she was understand they asked you the questions, she says.
Speaker 1: I cannot answer these questions because it's not safe for
Speaker 1: my life. Judge said, you have to answer these questions
Speaker 1: or I'm gonna hold you in contempt. She said, look,
Speaker 1: I'm a mother, I have two kids. I cannot answer
Speaker 1: these questions. The judge says, I don't care if you
Speaker 1: don't answer these questions. You're going to the county jail
Speaker 1: for six months. And I sat there and I said,
Speaker 1: I cannot believe that the state is forcing her to speak.
Speaker 1: You're not a suspect, h I get your point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she wasn't a suspect. She can't just can't. You can't
Speaker 1: to plead the fifth She actually tried to do that
Speaker 1: and they said, ma'am, you're not. So she had to
Speaker 1: sit in the county jail until the case was over with. Now,
Speaker 1: some of these cases are short. You know, the trial
Speaker 1: might be two months. But if this is one of
Speaker 1: those long cases, you're sitting in jail until the cases
Speaker 1: over for contempt. It was at the time of testifying
Speaker 1: the it was already going on. So that's why it
Speaker 1: wasn't as long as um. Yeah, it's a but their
Speaker 1: job is too. But as a cop, former police officer,
Speaker 1: do you feel any sympathy for these people that she
Speaker 1: should have never talked at the beginning, and that's what
Speaker 1: people know because you don't gave me, you don't tease me.
Speaker 1: You know, told me this happened. This happened, This happened.
Speaker 1: But I ain't coming to court. Yes you are, so
Speaker 1: the lesson is, don't never make any statement that no.
Speaker 1: If you don't want to get dragged through court. If
Speaker 1: you're suspect, shut up, be quiet. But as a witness,
Speaker 1: you gotta weigh it out. But some witness it out.
Speaker 1: If somebody coming here right now and the shot you yeah,
Speaker 1: just starts you you hey, street call. I can't talk.
Speaker 1: My sons will take care of that when they grow up.
Speaker 1: You've been watching. I'm just kidding, but I wouldn't want
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want James to tell the police who just
Speaker 1: killed me if it's gonna if it's gonna risk his life,
Speaker 1: because I believe whoever just killed me, he's gonna get
Speaker 1: his Anyways, I was in the same situation with my
Speaker 1: brother and and the police coming over there and telling us,
Speaker 1: come on, man, we need to talk to you know
Speaker 1: what you want to talk to me? Yeah, we all know,
Speaker 1: but you wasn't an eyewitness. See, there's a difference between
Speaker 1: the eye witness and an informant, and what you would
Speaker 1: have been was was called informant because you're doing second
Speaker 1: hand information where you have to treat on eyewitness different
Speaker 1: than you what you perform it. Yeah, I truly wouldn't
Speaker 1: want anyone to make a statement if it's if it's
Speaker 1: a risk to their livelihood because you just did, I'm
Speaker 1: just dead. And if there's a camera, if there's someone
Speaker 1: else that wants to come forward, they'll build their case
Speaker 1: if there's some evidence, And like I said, you have
Speaker 1: to weigh that out. There's some some situations where I
Speaker 1: turned up, especially my son or something like that. But
Speaker 1: somebody I know I'm connected with all of that. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna snitch whatever. Yeah, this is what happened. Deal
Speaker 1: with it. Well, my dad would never forgive me if
Speaker 1: I did that. Rest in piece of my dad, Vincent Alan.
Speaker 1: So that's that's um stand And you know what it's
Speaker 1: it's kind of the way we grow We grew up.
Speaker 1: You grew up with a cop as a father, and
Speaker 1: I grew up with a dad who was from the streets.
Speaker 1: And James grew up in certain way as well. I
Speaker 1: grew up without one of those. So I know, um,
Speaker 1: and I'm not tell on every situation like I said,
Speaker 1: it's some situation or I'll be like, okay, it's best,
Speaker 1: just let's get out here. But there's some situations where
Speaker 1: you know you either got to do something about it
Speaker 1: yourself or are are you gotta be a witness? Well,
Speaker 1: any any last remarks regarding carry Laid Them Nipsey Hustle
Speaker 1: before we wrap up this episode. No, I'm good. No,
Speaker 1: still resting Peach Nipsey. The more I've been hearing about
Speaker 1: the brother and and and reading and listening to him talk,
Speaker 1: I understand why why people was putting mom up there
Speaker 1: with my boy to pop. You know, I actually watched
Speaker 1: a couple more of old Nipsey Hustle interviews, and I
Speaker 1: gotta say, the dude was really short when he was
Speaker 1: twenty two four, and he actually accomplished and did everything
Speaker 1: he said within ten years. You know you had to go,
Speaker 1: Even though I did watch another interview where he was
Speaker 1: complimenting and telling where he got most of this stuff
Speaker 1: from from Tupac, which you know, well, I think there's
Speaker 1: no way you could be in hip hop and not
Speaker 1: influenced by Tupac. In some way, shape or form. You know,
Speaker 1: that dude pretty much laid the blueprint and the foundation,
Speaker 1: you know, And I mean we're still listening to those
Speaker 1: music twentysothing twenty five years later. There's nothing wrong with it.
Speaker 1: Look what, Look what? Look what came out of it?
Speaker 1: Positive ship. So if I could look at Tupac and
Speaker 1: I see something in Tupac that I want to do,
Speaker 1: and this is how I'm gonna grow, get your blueprint,
Speaker 1: roll with it, and look what he did. I think
Speaker 1: Tupac's music came last longer than Nipsey Hustles music. But
Speaker 1: Nipsey was a sharp brother, you know, in his early twenties. Um,
Speaker 1: I give him that. You know, I was just throwing
Speaker 1: a jab at you because you told me Nipsey had
Speaker 1: accomplished more at the age of Tupac there and not
Speaker 1: still this screw with you on that. I don't think
Speaker 1: he accomplished more. I actually think Pock for just having
Speaker 1: you know, his professional career was only like four and
Speaker 1: a half years. He debuted in ninety one and he's
Speaker 1: dead in ninety six. That's a very short career. Who
Speaker 1: was accomplished more in that little short period of time
Speaker 1: in hip hop. I don't think anybody has. You know,
Speaker 1: we're talking about Nipsey Hustle. He'd been doing it for
Speaker 1: twelve thirteen years, you know, with his mix tapes came
Speaker 1: out in like oh five, oh six, oh seven, and
Speaker 1: he passed at thirty three. As you you made that distinction.
Speaker 1: Pop died at twenty five. Nipsey died at thirty three.
Speaker 1: But nip was sharp, no doubt about it. Even even
Speaker 1: in the interview when he was twenty two. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: he was speaking good knowledge and all of that. And
Speaker 1: what if he was didn't grow up in the role
Speaker 1: in the sixties cript neighborhood. I always think like, if
Speaker 1: certain people didn't grow up in a certain area, what
Speaker 1: could have they been? What could have they have accomplished?
Speaker 1: That could have went both ways. If he didn't grow
Speaker 1: up in in his neighborhood, he would probably wouldn't have
Speaker 1: known the grind. I think the grind come from, is
Speaker 1: uh the African part, Huntle, I really do, because how
Speaker 1: many the friends of niggas that you grew up with
Speaker 1: was out there selling insects? Yeah, or or T shirts. Alright, fellas,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna wrap it up for another episode of the
Speaker 1: Gangster Chronicles. Thanks for listening, Um Alex Alonso, Reggie Wright Jr.
Speaker 1: And James McDonald's signing out. This has been a digital
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