WEBVTT - That Gangster Has A Badge 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:03.279 Welcome to another episode of Gangster Chronicles. This is episode 0:00:03.360 --> 0:00:06.200 number four and you're listening to Alex Alonso and I'm 0:00:06.240 --> 0:00:11.119 sitting here with It's Reggie Right and James McDonald and 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:13.720 we're gonna talk about a few things this on this episode. 0:00:13.800 --> 0:00:16.640 But first, um, quite a few people wanted to hear 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:21.600 a couple of death row death row history questions. Um, 0:00:21.640 --> 0:00:24.800 so let's let's start off with the death row death 0:00:24.920 --> 0:00:26.960 row history questions. What do you guys got to share 0:00:26.960 --> 0:00:31.520 about that? Okay, we'll shoot you asked us a couple 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:35.199 of good questions, Alonso at the beginning, So we'll let 0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:39.000 you just access the questions and all right, well, can 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:42.559 and recording sessions. Who really got beat up at that studio? 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:49.040 Who didn't? I mean, you had all types of situations 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:51.559 that was going on there. Most of it was is 0:00:51.600 --> 0:00:56.120 overexaggerated or blown up, blown up. But um, you know, 0:00:56.200 --> 0:01:00.720 artists got dealt with and not artists are not the 0:01:00.800 --> 0:01:03.920 artist we know, you know, not Snoop or Park or 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:06.720 Dre or people like that. There's people that was trying 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:08.880 to get on I was trying to do stuff that 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:13.040 wasn't taking the business serious seriously. Some of the things 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:15.840 like that. It was mainly homies on homie stuff, uh, 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:18.920 to be honest, Uh, and it never was or I 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:22.200 don't know even situations like uh, you know the mob 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:25.160 against the Lone Beach crops that was mainly associated with 0:01:25.240 --> 0:01:28.240 us or anything like that. I don't have any situations 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:31.360 like that. You know, we all know the warrngy getting 0:01:31.360 --> 0:01:35.080 his chain snatched and and and then you know big 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:37.160 c Style and Trade D came and trying to talk. 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:39.640 She'll get to make sure you're getting the chain back 0:01:39.640 --> 0:01:41.520 and stuff like that, and was able to get that 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:45.400 chain back. That's Trade D version, Trade D version. Everybody 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:47.960 got a version. And keep telling people it wasn't like 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:50.760 people saying, you know, I saw him on Blas and 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:53.559 said he would have did this. So did that people 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:56.040 have respect for each other and then go down like that, 0:01:56.440 --> 0:01:59.600 Why warren't you gotta change taking? I don't know, but she, 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:02.000 you know, talk to whoever that took the chain from 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:06.400 them and they gave Orange pitch Ass back his chain. James, 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:08.600 will you at any of those candamn studio sessions? I 0:02:08.680 --> 0:02:12.120 didn't do. I didn't Uh. I didn't hang out with 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:16.080 them like that at that. Uh. I was tired of 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:20.079 fighting what you're were talking about during these canamn studio sessions. Well, 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:25.239 this particularly incident was like ninety four, early before Paul 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:27.799 got there. Oh yeah, oh yeah, that's before got there. 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:30.280 Pa got there. For those of you don't know, November 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:34.240 October ninety five, you really can't name now place that 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:38.600 death row was that that nobody got the answhopped in 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:45.200 everywhere we went, somebody got for no reason at all, 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:48.080 some of them. It's a crazy way to run a corporation, though, 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:52.480 man U, multimillion dollar corporation, hundreds of millions of dollars 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:55.079 coming in. But that's what it's easy to say. You're 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:58.080 hard to say because how many of the corporations have 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:02.080 guys fresh out on the streets from the penitentiaries working 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:05.239 for him? Yeah, hey, I was loving it. The Rams 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:10.880 was my favorite incident when we beat the Rams, right, Uh, 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:14.959 they was mad at Shild stretched shield car. Shild came 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:19.080 got us. We used at the Roxberry and uh, Shill 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:22.800 came out. I mean we was drinking like it was 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:26.160 the thing to do and there was no questions asked. 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:30.560 We didn't find out too after what what the situation was. 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:35.800 But but once once it was over and we worked 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:40.440 them and these were some big These were some big boys. 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:44.200 And uh that man def Ro deth Ro had his 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:49.320 days on on uh making sure they was known. All right, 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:51.760 Let's move on to another question here. Someone wanted to 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:54.680 know was DJ Quick? I mean, I know the answer 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:56.760 to this, But was DJ quickly ever signed the death Row? 0:03:57.080 --> 0:03:59.000 Why is that even a question? Is there a confusion 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:03.160 about J Quick was instrumental of being up at Candam Studio. 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:06.200 But what we all know, DJ Quick was signed the 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:09.400 Protfile Records, which was the label that Ron DMC and 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:12.320 all of them were signed to back in New York. Uh. 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:14.600 Most people think Ron DMC and then we was signed 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:17.359 to what depth jail, not the fact they were signed 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:21.880 the Profile. But DJ Quick was signed to ship as 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:27.360 a producer UM, but not as an artist. And that 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:32.800 ship was also managing with this contract with UM with 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:36.320 with Profile Records. Are getting some business handled like he 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:39.159 did for Mary J. Blide. Wasn't he managing DJ Quick 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:42.440 before even death Row blew up? Now that came after? 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:45.279 That came later, Yeah, that came later. He had people 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:47.560 that was with DJ Quick. You know Tony Lane. Shout 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:49.919 out Tony Lane. I hope he's feeling better. People like 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:52.880 that that was was dealing with was Quick or was 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:55.840 trying to help him out um with the situation. But 0:04:55.880 --> 0:04:59.320 now sure Ship then uh Quick relationship didn't start up 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:01.200 until after that for what was doing this night. So 0:05:01.279 --> 0:05:03.000 technically he was signed a death row, but as a 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:05.840 producer only a producer only, and Ship was managing he 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:08.279 and trying to get his paperwork and getting this stuff 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:11.360 situation right with Profile, just like we know of him 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:15.000 doing with Joe to See and Mary j. So if 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:18.919 Quick wasn't find obligate because he was contractly obligated to 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:21.520 Profile Profile, he probably would have put something out on 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:24.240 death row if he didn't have that contract. Oh, he 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:26.200 did a couple of songs for him. A matter of fact, 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:28.960 I reached back to a Quick while she was in 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:31.719 jail and on death row and cut because he always 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:35.520 wanted to do a video for Black Pussy Man. And 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:37.839 I was like, okay, Quick, you know what, we got 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:40.280 some money we over here, peanuts right now doing something. 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:42.400 Come on over here, we're going to shoot this little 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:44.880 video to the soul black Pussy And we just did 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:47.719 that for him, you know, and shot you know, and 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:50.279 shot that video. So y'all check out Black Pussy. It 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:54.080 was never released commercially or anything like that, but you 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:55.839 know it's out there on the internet. It was a 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:59.960 hot song back in on his album. I think Jane 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:01.920 did you cross pass with DJ Quick During these years, 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:05.880 Oh man, I've been knowing that that little cat from 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:09.520 their neighborhood. Man, the homeboys, they're gonna get you there 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:13.680 from tree Top. But he was doing everybody don't know, 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:20.440 we're looking tree Top the same right. No, they actually 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:25.599 called the truth tree Top, Fruit Town, the west Side 0:06:25.640 --> 0:06:28.679 far Rouge, they all called the truth right now fire 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:33.920 But yeah, I knew him when he was was mixing 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:37.640 his tape. Let me let me cut you all that 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:39.960 cease far done after the Nimpsey thing or just done 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:42.640 before that. No, this was just recently done. See everybody 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:46.040 taking follow following suit. That's the one thing that's happening 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:50.040 from the West Side with the guys from sixties and 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:53.039 uh eight trade and all they're doing. I noticed a 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:55.240 lot of games are starting to try to do the 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:58.720 truth thing in their neighborhood. But about discussions between the 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:01.000 Fruit Towns and the tree Top. But get back to 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:04.040 what you were saying, James. I've been knowing since he 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:07.200 was just doing his little mixtapes and all that. We 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:09.920 was doing our thing, he was doing his thing. But yeah, 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:14.440 I've been knowing him for a minute. Cool time. Alright. 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:19.080 So another another person wanted to know, was Tupac broke 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:22.440 before he died. I mean, it's funny, but it's not funny. 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:26.520 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the best conception. Um, well, 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:28.360 number one, when he was in jails, he was broke. 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:31.280 That's why we reached out to him, or that's why 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:34.960 he had his girl. His wife at the time reached 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:37.240 out the show. That was what s going on when 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:39.720 she reached out and called and just was like, hey, 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:46.360 I need some money and fifteen heavy. Uh make arrangements 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:49.160 to get fifteen thousand. Now let's put on his books. Um, 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:52.560 he was, you know, have financial situation then. So how 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:56.360 the conversation went was should girl his wife not sulgar wife. 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:59.040 Tupac's wife reached out, I can't think of her name, Keisha, 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:02.040 I think, reached out the ship and was like, hey, 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:04.680 Park needs some money put on his book. So you 0:08:04.800 --> 0:08:06.640 want to, you know, see what you can do. Because 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:09.040 they interscope not looking out for him right now. They're 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:12.800 saying that he's unrecouped, and so she'll immediately shot fifteen 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:15.720 dollars and put on his books. Didn't take anything of it. 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:18.200 You know, he had already tried to solicit Pop as 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:20.120 far as being on death roll and all of that, 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:22.280 and Park to it. And I ain't ready for y'all. 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:26.640 Y'all too wild over there. And so Sho parked then 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:29.240 reached out the ship, made a phone call and got 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:31.480 on the phone, say, hey, should can you come and 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:32.800 see me? I need you to come up here and 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:35.480 see me because people don't know. Park was having it 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:37.600 hard in prison. I mean, I know we all have 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:41.079 it hard, but he's having it especially hard. It was 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:43.800 rumors of things that that happened to him out there 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:47.400 that y'all didn't heard. I've heard a few rumors, but 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:55.480 I never believe all right, But anyway, you ain't getting 0:08:55.480 --> 0:09:01.480 me speaking on that, just getting anyway. So we reached 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:05.920 out to him and went up there and visit and 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:09.480 visit Park while he was in jail, and Shill went 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:12.400 in and at that time he came back. I just 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:16.080 remember him coming back, you know, to the limo and said, man, Pockets, 0:09:16.240 --> 0:09:19.079 you know, he ain't doing well, but we're gonna try 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:20.560 to get him on death Row. He wanted to be 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:22.600 down and go try to get some of his money 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:25.480 from Interscope and he wants me to look out, and 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:26.880 so we went up there and made about two or 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:31.800 three trips up there. Eventually, David Kinner the company attorney 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:34.640 and was handling most of the business affairs, we went 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:36.640 up there with us and they came up with a 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:39.000 way to get him out of prison, and they got 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:41.600 him out and got him signed. All that he pretty 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:43.880 much asked for was for Shipped. H helped get his 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:47.480 MoMA in the house and to get him out, and 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:49.880 that's what Ship did. Got his mama situated with a 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:53.880 house out in Atlanta, and we eventually got him out 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:56.400 of jail on a bond. You know, people be like, oh, 0:09:56.440 --> 0:10:00.640 death Row didn't put up any money or anything like that. Okay, yeah, 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:02.319 should going to put up seven hundred and fifty of 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:05.360 the million and a half. But the other seven hundred 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:07.920 fifty Interscope put up. But they builded back to there 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:11.160 from so you know, just it's like a loan, you know, 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:13.640 if you get advance on something and you have to 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:15.640 pay it back, But that was guaranteed money they were 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:18.360 getting back because they were getting the baddest rapper on earth. 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:22.960 They already had him. They had they had an album 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:26.280 Me Against the World, that just sold too million records 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:28.360 while he was in prison. But that wasn't a death 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:31.760 row record. That was That's my point. They already had him. 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:35.040 They just was tired of when you make so many, 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:36.880 so much money in millions of dollars, to be like, 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:39.480 do I have to deal with us? Why do I 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:42.920 have to keep doing with this? That's how white folks think, like, 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:48.120 is it is this million dollar gonna change my life anymore? No? 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:50.880 And so that's what you want him no more. They 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:52.719 left him in jail and then they didn't try to 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:54.280 get him out on an appeal bond. I mean, he 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:56.440 was going through so many controversial things that it's probably 0:10:56.480 --> 0:10:59.240 more of a liability of keeping this artist, especially when 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:01.240 they're trying to get it over Time Warner, who was 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:03.840 trying to get a cable deal. They had now corporate 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:06.360 or big major companies behind them. They weren't just a 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:10.200 private company anymore. You know. That's that's what Time Warner 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:13.880 and the Lords Tucker and Bob Duell situations. Y'all go 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:16.120 research that, you'll see what all of that was behind. 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:18.760 So that was the restraints that Interscope had at the time. 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:23.400 So anyway, um, so basically was he broke or not? Okay, 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:25.280 but the question was when he died. So I'm saying, 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:27.920 so he's broke. There, we're not doing well. So he 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:31.120 came to death Row, did all of this stuff. His 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:38.960 first album commercial release was released on death Row February 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:43.200 All Eyes on Me, amazing album Anybody that was a 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:47.840 double CD, double CD. We had, did all those videos 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:50.800 which could bills back to the artist. He had cars. 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:54.480 He was living on on Wilshire in the penthouse. First 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:58.480 before that he was living in a Peninsula hotel at 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:02.600 two rooms for his homeboy Big Psych and Bowl and 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:05.800 then one of my security guards and then he was 0:12:05.880 --> 0:12:07.800 standing in the penhoffs. So you got all of that 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:10.120 money's been spent the day. My point is he has 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:12.240 spent a lot of money, had all of this unlimited 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:15.240 studio time. We know, we see how much records was there. 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:17.720 All of that gets to build back to the artists 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:20.840 and the videos and all of that. And then this 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:23.480 is what most people don't know, is it takes a 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:28.440 hundred eighty days before a record company is supposed to 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:32.560 give you a county or give you you know, you 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:35.280 know you're what you made like an expensive for Yeah, 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:41.160 you're expensive for what you But he did so well, 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:44.600 he was in the positive. But there was money been spent. 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:47.640 Some people are like, well, well that's why y'all, that's 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:49.880 why he was killed. That's why they had you killed 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:52.439 because y'all knew all this money that y'all was going on. Now, 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:54.760 it wasn't that much money that was gonna be old 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:58.480 to him, but he wasn't due accounting yet. It is 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:01.120 my question. So he had money. But it's funny to 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:04.120 me why people always say why death Road cheated anymore? 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:07.080 Why death Row didn't give him all the money when 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:09.600 we forgot he did two movies? Where is that money? 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:12.960 She had no control over his movie moneys. He had 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:15.040 a publishing deal. He didn't have a public suding deal 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:17.959 with Marrying Night or shild Night Publishing or death Row, 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:21.360 So where is that money? So people just don't realize it. 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:23.679 You know, the money wasn't due yet when he died. 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:26.920 When he got killed, I understanding, So what did the 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:29.400 money go? If he got killed and it was old 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:33.360 on where did it go? Wouldn't there be state that 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:36.959 gets the money. That's who got it. The state got 0:13:36.960 --> 0:13:38.280 it by the time she would have got a larger 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:39.599 you know, she had to get the business, right. I 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:42.480 understand why that would be a mother and the mother 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:45.640 who bart who had money to buy out the daddy, 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:48.640 because you know, that's what people don't understand. She did 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:51.559 a great smart business move by done on this part 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:54.320 in my mind, but she paid out his natural daddy 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:57.800 seven hollars to get him out of the way where 0:13:57.880 --> 0:13:59.880 she became near because he was coming. He was kind. 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:03.560 He's just as much right and she does um. And 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:05.320 you know when you don't have a will, a will 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:07.880 or trust or stink, that's why people, black folks, we 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:10.959 got to get the trust, so the living trusting how 0:14:11.000 --> 0:14:12.800 you can have stuff done the way you want to 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:14.880 done when you die, because we never know what we're 0:14:14.880 --> 0:14:18.200 gonna die. Go ahead, ja. So technically he didn't have 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:21.000 no money, but when he died he had in the state. 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:23.680 He had a hundred some thous in his account. Everything 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:26.560 was being paid paid for, but he had money coming. 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:29.640 Like I said, if we do the math on the dates, 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:32.760 from when this album was released to the time he 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:36.200 you know, he died, it wasn't within a days yet 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:39.760 with your six months and plus you had money coming in. 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:43.520 Probably when he passed, he was probably at the peak 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:47.400 of his money earning ability at that time, probably the 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:52.640 most he made any previous. And you know when people say, well, 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:54.280 where was the money from me against the World and 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:57.560 all that, Well he was unrecoup because we forget he 0:14:57.600 --> 0:15:00.440 had all the legal fees and think is that was 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:02.320 going on in its life that caused him to be 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:04.880 in that situation And most people don't know you don't 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:07.360 make as much money as we think off of albums. 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:10.320 Where you generally make your money is from your publishing 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:15.760 deals and from your from your shows. You're basically making 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:19.080 like a dollar per cdu. So yeah, all right, last 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:21.960 part on this death Row history because we we we'll 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:24.280 talk a little bit about death Row every episode. But 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:27.840 last question is people want to know more about your background, 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:30.080 James and death Row and what you were doing. Gift 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:32.400 to give us a little brief synopsis of what you 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:35.480 were doing when you were there. Where I started before 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:37.960 it was death Row, it was Furnair Records. When I 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:44.440 started with shug Um. Uh basically just just right here man, 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:48.000 just just security. Uh. I went where he went. We 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:52.480 did the bubb Wiser stupid fest Um. We worked with 0:15:52.840 --> 0:16:00.000 Thomas Klein. We had they had so many different um 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:03.480 jobs that I mean said I was. I was there 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:09.520 all the way till uh getting um Mischel and Dre's 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:15.360 contract from Rufless when the was around two. Then yeah, 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:21.720 because his Yeah, when he uh, he was more in 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:24.880 support with Sugar and just kicking it with Sugar. I 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:27.880 remember when Sugar gave him his car that that uh, 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:31.960 the the Carvette, the car that he had the accident in, 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:35.800 and uh, he was all messed up, but he was 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:41.960 just basically hanging around Sugar at the time, and uh 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:44.360 he was doing this thing. But I did all kinds 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:48.800 of stuff with Sugar until I went to jail with separators. 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:51.800 And nine was two and ninety two. I went to 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:55.040 jail for attempted murder and uh what me and one 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:57.400 of my little homes. And I stayed in there nine 0:16:57.640 --> 0:17:03.560 ten months finding the case, and uh came home, came back. 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:06.640 When I came back, a lot of it was different, 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:09.359 A lot of it was different. And then going back 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:13.080 and forth up there and then we opened up. Let 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:15.719 me ride out Dralics. So I took a shot at 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:22.920 the Draflic shops building cars and stuff whatever. You Uh, 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:26.800 A lot of history should and during your brother was 0:17:26.840 --> 0:17:28.760 still locked up. He didn't. He was in prison. He 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:33.280 was doing nine years at the time for the assault 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:38.240 on the police officer. And Uh, I always told you 0:17:38.320 --> 0:17:39.919 when you when you come home, you're gonna be all right. 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:42.840 I got you. You got a spot. And we ran 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:47.119 across each other when they sent me from the penetention 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:51.679 to the county jail. He was um in the county 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:55.040 jail already. We ran across each other and he had 0:17:55.119 --> 0:18:01.000 came home, so we was and and I haven't I 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:04.160 didn't see him for what eleven years since then from 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:07.480 that point because eleven years I didn't see him. Two 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:10.600 years prior to him going to jail, he did seven 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:13.119 and a half, almost eight years after nine and a half, 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:17.439 and he was going for a minute. Then he came on, 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:23.880 gave him a job and that was it. That was it. Uh. 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:25.679 For those of y'all don't know who his brother is, 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:30.640 Bunty uh Sills right here, man Bunchy and Alton McDonald. Yeah, 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:33.359 he became the right hand. Man. I was, I was 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:36.200 wonder that was scared to fly. And you know Sugar 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:38.800 was going North Carolina, New York and all this. I 0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:41.960 wasn't getting on the plane like that. Uh. We got 0:18:42.000 --> 0:18:44.520 on the plane one time. Man, it was raining and thundering, 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:49.040 and I couldn't do it. So you go with Shig 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:53.720 and a bunch of started going with him, and that's 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:56.960 when him and bunch of me and Sugar got closer. 0:18:57.480 --> 0:19:01.680 And then this when all the Jake's and the Harns 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:05.760 and all and all the other guys came in. So 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:08.199 it was good for a minute. It was good for 0:19:08.240 --> 0:19:12.720 a minute. Alright, So let's move on to uh our 0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:17.960 next topic here. UH former Sheriff Lee Baca, who was 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:22.520 convicted of police corruption a couple of years ago, lost 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:25.600 his I would say, his final appeal, although there is 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:28.640 a chance for one more appeal. But he's seventy six 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:32.679 years old. He's a convicted felon. I guess he was 0:19:32.680 --> 0:19:34.720 supposed to do five years. Maybe it's three, I'm not 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:40.240 exactly sure. Um, what's your take on this? Uh, seventy 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:42.879 six year old man that claims now he has Alzheimer's disease. 0:19:43.320 --> 0:19:46.679 This never came up prior to the investigation that the 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:51.000 FBI had against the sheriff department. But now he's got Alzheimer's, 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:53.400 he's seventy six. He doesn't want to do his time 0:19:53.440 --> 0:19:55.800 in the FEDS. What what say you, James? My take 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:58.119 on it is he ain't no different from me and 0:19:58.160 --> 0:20:01.159 nobody else. They go to jail. They job is to 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:03.200 put us in the jail and give us the maximum 0:20:03.280 --> 0:20:06.880 time for the crime we committed. So I think, man, 0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:10.920 what's the difference. What's the difference? He committed a crime, 0:20:11.000 --> 0:20:14.440 you should pay for it. My thing is he only 0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:18.280 was sentenced to what three, four or five years? Let's 0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:20.679 say it's three years. If if this was you or 0:20:20.720 --> 0:20:23.840 me that committed this type of corruption, we would be 0:20:23.840 --> 0:20:27.680 looking at ten fifteen. I think he got a sweet deal. 0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:30.000 In fact, many of the deputies that went to prison 0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:32.919 under him got six years, seven years, eight years. So 0:20:32.960 --> 0:20:36.639 how does the head of the whole organization that's involved 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:40.000 in you got more time than they did Because he's 0:20:40.040 --> 0:20:43.680 the main man. He's the main man. What I don't understand. 0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:46.920 Reggie helped me understand this. About three or four deputies 0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:50.760 were sentenced like six, seven, eight, years only doing what 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:53.440 Lee Baka told him to do. But lie Baka gets 0:20:53.520 --> 0:20:57.879 less time than these guys. Number one, lie Baka got 0:20:57.960 --> 0:21:01.639 put in jail for mainly uh in in charge. That's it. 0:21:02.480 --> 0:21:05.280 His boy Paul Tanaka is the one that was pulling 0:21:05.320 --> 0:21:10.160 all the strings. Uh. Lee Baca allowed his undershare which 0:21:10.200 --> 0:21:13.200 most sheriff does uh to to do all the all 0:21:13.560 --> 0:21:17.280 the dirty work that was being done. Um, so let's 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:21.399 get that on the table. Um. His main conviction was 0:21:21.440 --> 0:21:23.879 for lying to the FBI agents, which I knew a 0:21:23.880 --> 0:21:27.600 lot of brothers that they got uh probation uh damon 0:21:27.640 --> 0:21:32.840 Thomas on that being being uh b mL situation where 0:21:32.840 --> 0:21:34.959 he lied to the FBI agents and stuff like that. 0:21:35.040 --> 0:21:38.080 You'll know him as DJ Assassin or with the underdogs. 0:21:38.480 --> 0:21:41.920 He he did that and he only got probation out 0:21:41.920 --> 0:21:44.240 of that. So there's people out there they got it 0:21:44.880 --> 0:21:47.760 probation from for you know, giving false information to the 0:21:47.760 --> 0:21:51.679 FBI agents or or law enforcement agents. So that was 0:21:51.760 --> 0:21:55.160 the main reason that he was convicted. And so five 0:21:55.240 --> 0:21:59.080 years is a little steep. The prosecution originally was only 0:21:59.080 --> 0:22:03.639 given him recommending a six months of jail time and 0:22:03.720 --> 0:22:08.040 then that's when the judge said or even hold on, 0:22:08.520 --> 0:22:11.240 that's not enough time. And that's when he pulled the 0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:14.720 deal off the table. Because what y'all don't know about 0:22:14.720 --> 0:22:17.600 the fears. Usually the state courts, they don't override what 0:22:17.840 --> 0:22:21.320 the d A and the defense attorneys come up with. 0:22:21.800 --> 0:22:25.399 But with the fans, they the judge to tell you 0:22:25.520 --> 0:22:28.760 right there when you're taking a deal, Hey, you're taking 0:22:28.760 --> 0:22:33.960 a gamble, and the prosecution is taking a gamble. It's 0:22:34.040 --> 0:22:36.040 up to me. They do not give up their power. 0:22:36.600 --> 0:22:39.920 And that's one of the situations where we learned from 0:22:40.320 --> 0:22:43.560 where the judge is like, hey, no, um, I won't 0:22:43.600 --> 0:22:45.919 give more time if you still want to plead guilty, 0:22:46.080 --> 0:22:48.960 I'm not going to agree to what the U S 0:22:49.000 --> 0:22:52.479 Attorney or the assistant US Attorney is is recommended. Wisely, 0:22:52.560 --> 0:22:56.040 Baa fighting this sentence so much will his pension or 0:22:56.040 --> 0:22:59.200 other things being impacted by this because he retired. That's 0:22:59.240 --> 0:23:02.480 the one thing. Only lose your your retirement if you 0:23:02.520 --> 0:23:07.480 get convicted of committing a felony while your employed. Liebaka 0:23:07.560 --> 0:23:09.960 went and went to try to meet with the administration, 0:23:10.400 --> 0:23:13.119 the Department of Justice in Washington, d C. I remember 0:23:13.200 --> 0:23:16.680 that in like two thousand, two thousand fourteen, he got 0:23:16.680 --> 0:23:19.520 back on the plane that Monday, he all of a 0:23:19.560 --> 0:23:23.919 sudden retired. He retired the next day, and so he 0:23:23.960 --> 0:23:26.240 already knew that, Hey, they're about to indict my it 0:23:26.359 --> 0:23:28.880 was coming. It was coming, and so they know they 0:23:28.920 --> 0:23:32.159 have to say that their their pension by retiring. So 0:23:32.200 --> 0:23:33.719 that was a smart move. That was a smart move 0:23:33.800 --> 0:23:37.120 on his part. What what is the if he didn't retire, 0:23:37.240 --> 0:23:40.560 does he lose retirement? He would have lost his whole 0:23:41.359 --> 0:23:44.760 retirement package. If you get convicted of a crime while 0:23:44.800 --> 0:23:49.000 you're still working, then you'll you'll lose it if you 0:23:49.000 --> 0:23:54.080 could convicted. Do you think that retiring before you're convicted 0:23:54.920 --> 0:23:59.199 is a loophole that should exist? Well, how do you know? 0:23:59.320 --> 0:24:02.240 You know you you know he didn't have to get indicted. 0:24:02.640 --> 0:24:05.159 That's just what he felt was coming down the change. Well, 0:24:05.160 --> 0:24:07.760 I'm just saying, for any any officer or deputy that's 0:24:07.960 --> 0:24:10.639 charged with a felony and found guilty of it, just 0:24:10.680 --> 0:24:14.080 because you retired before the conviction came through, is that 0:24:14.160 --> 0:24:17.080 a loophole that that should exist for officers to take 0:24:17.119 --> 0:24:19.920 advantage of, Because that's what it is. It's a loophole 0:24:20.240 --> 0:24:23.000 he didn't have to get He could have retired and 0:24:23.040 --> 0:24:27.000 didn't get indicted. There's a lot of people I know 0:24:27.040 --> 0:24:30.680 a couple of years that this speculator doing things or 0:24:30.720 --> 0:24:33.440 it was under investigation and never got indicted. So that's 0:24:33.440 --> 0:24:36.000 because you're getting investigated, don't mean you're gonna get indicted. 0:24:36.280 --> 0:24:39.159 The point if if you just say Pencing, if he 0:24:39.280 --> 0:24:43.119 got indicted and he they gave him five years, three years, 0:24:43.520 --> 0:24:46.879 should he lose everything just because he got convicted of 0:24:46.920 --> 0:24:50.200 a crime. So why should he get his pension? Yeah, 0:24:50.240 --> 0:24:52.520 that's basically what I was asking. Why should he get it? 0:24:53.040 --> 0:24:56.120 Why shouldn't he because it's different from us. I mean, 0:24:56.520 --> 0:24:58.040 how's it different from you? If you can lose your 0:24:58.119 --> 0:25:02.159 job at the trash company and you're gon and let's go. 0:25:02.440 --> 0:25:05.160 Let's let's go through all the rights and civilians lose 0:25:05.200 --> 0:25:07.800 when they're convicted of a crime. They lose their rights 0:25:07.800 --> 0:25:12.160 to vote, to vote, to own a gun, and there's 0:25:12.200 --> 0:25:15.120 several other rights that we lose. And he lost him 0:25:15.160 --> 0:25:17.040 as well. Yeah, but I just want to take his 0:25:17.119 --> 0:25:19.600 livelihood something that he worked thirty years, thirty eight years 0:25:19.960 --> 0:25:21.600 of doing You want to take that away from him 0:25:21.600 --> 0:25:25.320 and his family? Why? I mean, if he did something 0:25:25.520 --> 0:25:28.840 silly where they consue him and then you you know, 0:25:28.960 --> 0:25:31.840 you you have to get paid for that, you know, 0:25:31.920 --> 0:25:34.560 the the particular person that he got in trouble for, 0:25:34.640 --> 0:25:37.560 because those of y'all don't know the situation. They was 0:25:37.640 --> 0:25:41.040 hiding an FBI a snitch within the jail that was 0:25:41.040 --> 0:25:43.760 working for the FBI. They was hiring him within the 0:25:43.760 --> 0:25:47.000 county system, moving them from because in his mind and 0:25:47.080 --> 0:25:49.399 lead walking their minds. So they said, the defense was 0:25:49.520 --> 0:25:53.280 was that that they were committing a state a state 0:25:53.680 --> 0:25:57.679 crime and so they were, um, they were felt that 0:25:57.800 --> 0:26:03.200 him and the FBI agent committed state charges. Well, you can't. 0:26:03.640 --> 0:26:07.960 The federal government supersedes the state. They have federal laws 0:26:08.000 --> 0:26:11.280 and they have state laws. Just like here, it's not 0:26:11.359 --> 0:26:16.680 illegal to uh to possess marijuana or whatever. It is 0:26:16.720 --> 0:26:20.240 actually illegal. Marijuana is illegal not in the state, not 0:26:20.320 --> 0:26:24.000 in the state, in the state, but federally it is. Yes, 0:26:24.240 --> 0:26:27.639 it is. That was my point was just because you 0:26:27.680 --> 0:26:31.399 have stayed law. Just like in Utah it's not illegal 0:26:31.440 --> 0:26:34.400 to have more than one y but federal crimes it is. 0:26:34.960 --> 0:26:37.080 So what I'm saying different states have different but the 0:26:37.119 --> 0:26:39.800 way the way lie Baka and Paul Tanaka try to 0:26:39.840 --> 0:26:42.240 spend it it was that they were going to try 0:26:42.280 --> 0:26:47.040 to investigate defense like they even threatened that female FBI 0:26:47.119 --> 0:26:50.600 agent of arresting. And it doesn't to me, tell me 0:26:50.600 --> 0:26:52.480 if I'm wrong, they didn't do it. That was the 0:26:52.560 --> 0:26:56.359 other the other people that you were talking abo. They 0:26:56.440 --> 0:26:59.200 was under under their command. The way, it doesn't work 0:26:59.240 --> 0:27:03.360 that the county Law Enforcement department could arrest and investigate 0:27:03.400 --> 0:27:06.680 a federal law enforcement if you commit a state crime. 0:27:07.680 --> 0:27:10.680 But they were just investigating abuses in the county jail. 0:27:11.040 --> 0:27:15.600 That's all it was. And that's why they had federally charged, 0:27:16.119 --> 0:27:19.080 you know, by by by the they wasn't committed, They 0:27:19.240 --> 0:27:22.800 wasn't convicted of doing any state state crime. Well, if 0:27:22.880 --> 0:27:25.239 Jackie Lacey would have investigated, how do we know that 0:27:25.320 --> 0:27:28.320 there wasn't anything that that was violated on the state level. 0:27:28.440 --> 0:27:32.160 Jackie Lazy doesn't investigate any law enforcement since she became 0:27:32.160 --> 0:27:36.440 the d A of Los Angeles County, and I'm not sure. 0:27:36.520 --> 0:27:38.399 I don't think I think that was under somebody else's 0:27:38.400 --> 0:27:42.760 But how do we know that any state um violations 0:27:42.760 --> 0:27:45.920 didn't occur? You know, all I know is that people 0:27:45.960 --> 0:27:49.199 are getting asked in l A County jail. Are they 0:27:49.280 --> 0:27:54.919 recovering it up and Lee Baca, the sheriff, was covering 0:27:54.960 --> 0:27:57.840 it up or people up under his command, up under 0:27:57.840 --> 0:28:00.800 his command. But but Liebaka got word of it, Paul 0:28:00.920 --> 0:28:02.679 Paul to not Donna Lea Baka got word of it, 0:28:02.720 --> 0:28:05.400 and they said, hide that inmate. And when you called 0:28:05.400 --> 0:28:07.600 the snitch, I don't call them snitches when they work 0:28:07.640 --> 0:28:11.720 for the when when they're investigating the cops. When he 0:28:11.840 --> 0:28:14.800 was okay, whatever, But that's what he was. He was 0:28:14.880 --> 0:28:18.960 a federal informant for the FBI, trying to work off 0:28:18.960 --> 0:28:22.520 a case for the federally for federal not not even 0:28:22.520 --> 0:28:25.520 for his state charge that he was in custody for now, James, 0:28:25.600 --> 0:28:27.359 I know you've heard of many stories people getting their 0:28:27.359 --> 0:28:29.399 ask being the county jail. Been in the county jail. 0:28:29.720 --> 0:28:32.080 I was in the gang, monju. Let me just say 0:28:32.119 --> 0:28:35.720 that deputies and people that does that needs to be 0:28:36.200 --> 0:28:38.960 violated or are you know, need to go to jail. 0:28:39.560 --> 0:28:41.360 These are these are a lot of things that they 0:28:41.400 --> 0:28:44.520 do and they can't do in the county jail. Take 0:28:44.560 --> 0:28:47.440 your food with you're with the water holes and leave 0:28:47.480 --> 0:28:50.040 your land there. But all of those are and all 0:28:50.080 --> 0:28:55.200 of those things are wrong discussion. Yes, I've been treated 0:28:55.280 --> 0:28:58.400 like that many times in the county jail. From as 0:28:58.400 --> 0:29:01.000 soon as I walk in there. You know what I'm saying. 0:29:01.440 --> 0:29:05.240 They busting you upside of your head. If you take 0:29:05.280 --> 0:29:08.000 your shoulder off the wall, you're getting smacked. The next 0:29:08.040 --> 0:29:11.120 thing you know, you got ten fifteen deputies on you. 0:29:11.520 --> 0:29:14.800 I've been in the in the gang module where one 0:29:14.840 --> 0:29:17.320 of the homies was on the phone and they took 0:29:17.360 --> 0:29:20.400 the phone. He was talking to his mom's caught her 0:29:20.400 --> 0:29:23.000 a bitch and hung hang up his phone from this bitch. 0:29:23.320 --> 0:29:27.360 And now as a gang ward and the dogs biting 0:29:27.400 --> 0:29:30.080 you getting shot with them rubber bullets. So I've been 0:29:30.120 --> 0:29:35.520 in that. So they take it totally overboard. Man. It's 0:29:35.520 --> 0:29:39.560 a cold thing to sleep on some steel in a 0:29:39.720 --> 0:29:44.080 puddle of water, wet, and and they just closed that game. 0:29:44.200 --> 0:29:46.880 Media there and stuff like that needs to be investigated. 0:29:46.920 --> 0:29:51.560 And if I say something or report what they did, 0:29:51.960 --> 0:29:56.480 it goes unrecognized. You would you call one of your 0:29:56.480 --> 0:29:59.400 homeboys in the gang module. That's giving the fans information 0:29:59.400 --> 0:30:03.320 on us getting our asses kicked a snitch. No, that's 0:30:03.440 --> 0:30:07.960 just his knowledge. That's if we don't say nothing, then 0:30:07.960 --> 0:30:11.320 who will? And why were you gotta be a snitch 0:30:11.480 --> 0:30:15.440 if he's telling, if he's telling how they're treating us 0:30:15.480 --> 0:30:19.160 in here, telling on the police. No, he's telling how 0:30:19.240 --> 0:30:21.800 the police is beating us in here, that makes him. 0:30:22.440 --> 0:30:24.680 I don't know what the case is about. So he 0:30:24.760 --> 0:30:28.480 asked the question, So is he a snitch because he's 0:30:28.480 --> 0:30:33.560 telling the phone? He had the phone and I gave 0:30:33.640 --> 0:30:36.080 him my phone and he was in there. But I'm 0:30:36.080 --> 0:30:37.760 not saying he was a snitch for that. He said 0:30:37.760 --> 0:30:39.000 he was a snitch because he was working with the 0:30:39.040 --> 0:30:43.239 a F on this case. He's been for me one. 0:30:43.400 --> 0:30:48.400 They didn't just recruit him. He's always been and always 0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:50.400 been in there, and like he just went in there 0:30:50.640 --> 0:30:52.280 and picked out and said, oh let me go get 0:30:52.440 --> 0:30:56.120 uh James McDonald and James McDonald coming on work for me. 0:30:56.720 --> 0:31:03.520 He was already an informant of the Okay Ejaculacy took 0:31:03.560 --> 0:31:06.080 over in two thousand twelves and when these indictments came under, 0:31:06.160 --> 0:31:09.440 they were under her tenure. So she did absolutely nothing, 0:31:09.920 --> 0:31:13.200 um and she absolutely has never really instigated it probably 0:31:13.280 --> 0:31:16.360 wasn't even brought to her the the answerdent probably wasn't 0:31:16.360 --> 0:31:18.440 even brought to her. Maybe so maybe so yeah, I 0:31:18.440 --> 0:31:21.959 don't know, but they didn't they trust me. They then 0:31:22.080 --> 0:31:25.080 lost their they were embarrassed. Tim Cops been indicted on 0:31:25.200 --> 0:31:31.160 the on the matter, and the deputy has been indicted 0:31:31.280 --> 0:31:35.720 and everyone's been in prison except Liebaka and Lee Baker's 0:31:36.600 --> 0:31:38.640 and he trust me and spent tons of money and 0:31:38.720 --> 0:31:41.520 trust me. He's going to even the prosecution to now 0:31:42.120 --> 0:31:44.440 it's still only recommended that he does two years on 0:31:44.640 --> 0:31:49.880 on the three years sentence. That to understand it's scary though. 0:31:50.760 --> 0:31:53.840 Just think out of them eighteen, how many if just 0:31:53.960 --> 0:31:55.720 say seven of them would have made it to the 0:31:55.840 --> 0:31:59.280 streets in a in a car. This is what we'd 0:31:59.320 --> 0:32:02.120 have had to deal with. Oh no, they were past cars. 0:32:02.200 --> 0:32:05.040 These were people win been in being in cars. And 0:32:05.320 --> 0:32:10.000 these were sergeants and I think they were all all 0:32:10.080 --> 0:32:14.040 different ages. There were some young, some old ones. They 0:32:14.160 --> 0:32:17.720 was under Paul to knock us ring, which you like 0:32:17.800 --> 0:32:22.040 you said, you know, yeah, they they you know they 0:32:22.080 --> 0:32:26.160 were they were following the sergeant's direction as um easy 0:32:26.240 --> 0:32:28.320 he said in this all. So what do you think 0:32:28.320 --> 0:32:30.960 about a seventies six year old man, Lee Baka h 0:32:31.360 --> 0:32:39.160 going to prison? Bill Cosby in jail? True? Yeah, I'm 0:32:39.240 --> 0:32:43.280 serious If you can like Bill Cosby up and at 0:32:43.520 --> 0:32:47.000 eighty seven years old, that white man ain't no difference. 0:32:48.000 --> 0:32:50.600 We all, well, if I could be, if I kill 0:32:50.680 --> 0:32:53.280 you and I'm not, you're going to jail. Okay, I'm 0:32:53.320 --> 0:32:55.480 going to jail. So now we were comparing a person 0:32:55.560 --> 0:33:00.840 that lied to the FBI to lead drapists. All right, 0:33:01.720 --> 0:33:05.080 the age difference just because he's so we're just talked 0:33:05.080 --> 0:33:07.000 about the age. So you think this man shouldn't go 0:33:07.040 --> 0:33:11.880 to jail. Um, No, you don't think you should serious 0:33:14.120 --> 0:33:15.960 a little bit of time one year in the fs 0:33:16.080 --> 0:33:17.920 he's going to do two years. Yeah, but you don't 0:33:17.920 --> 0:33:19.800 even want him doing two years. I can care less. 0:33:19.840 --> 0:33:22.720 I don't know it, but but I'm saying the principality 0:33:22.760 --> 0:33:25.760 of it from knowing how our system works, from probation 0:33:26.480 --> 0:33:28.680 to all of this. And I know you all would say, well, 0:33:28.960 --> 0:33:30.600 he should have known better because he was a cop. 0:33:30.720 --> 0:33:34.760 He shouldn't even know. But this man is going to 0:33:34.920 --> 0:33:40.000 jail for giving false information to some FBI agents who 0:33:40.160 --> 0:33:42.760 claimed to have dementia when he was talking to the 0:33:42.840 --> 0:33:44.840 FBI agents. Well, I don't believe any of that's true, 0:33:45.360 --> 0:33:47.320 but that's his claim, that's his defense. Well, this is 0:33:47.360 --> 0:33:49.720 what made the fens so upset when they would go 0:33:49.840 --> 0:33:53.200 try to visit the quote unquote snitch. I think his 0:33:53.280 --> 0:33:57.200 name is Anthony Brown. They're literally telling federal agents, Oh, 0:33:57.320 --> 0:33:59.920 he's not here, Oh we can't find them. Oh he's 0:34:00.080 --> 0:34:02.080 in transport right now. Oh he's in court. I mean, 0:34:02.160 --> 0:34:07.360 everything was a lie. They were deliberately preventing the do that. Well, 0:34:07.600 --> 0:34:09.680 it has to come down from Paul to Knaka and Liebaka. 0:34:10.200 --> 0:34:14.600 In fact, there was one woman that was told the 0:34:14.680 --> 0:34:17.120 jail for This is why it became a big thing 0:34:17.200 --> 0:34:19.400 and it piste off the US attorney and the judges 0:34:19.440 --> 0:34:25.480 and all of that was because the two sergeants that 0:34:25.560 --> 0:34:28.839 worked for Paul Tanaka went to the FBI agent's house 0:34:29.640 --> 0:34:33.719 and threatened to arrest her for sneaking a phone into 0:34:34.239 --> 0:34:38.480 their jail facility, which you can't do that what without 0:34:38.520 --> 0:34:44.399 a court, without a warrant. She was wrong. They should 0:34:44.719 --> 0:34:47.360 they should have called her superiors and said, hey, we 0:34:47.480 --> 0:34:51.040 need to talk. That's all meat. What's the crime for 0:34:51.160 --> 0:34:56.000 the federal agent that's investigating potential crimes that the l 0:34:56.040 --> 0:34:58.320 as sheriff deputies are committing of giving a phone to 0:34:58.400 --> 0:35:00.480 an inmate that was called warrants. That's what you get 0:35:00.560 --> 0:35:03.279 want you get that approved by But then why did 0:35:03.320 --> 0:35:04.960 all these people end up going to jail? Then that 0:35:05.000 --> 0:35:08.160 should these cases should be dismissed. Then yeah, well that's 0:35:08.320 --> 0:35:10.799 that's the argument, that's the most of the defense one. 0:35:11.040 --> 0:35:14.400 None of this, zero of the sheriff deputy's cases were dismissed. 0:35:14.400 --> 0:35:19.360 They all were found guilty. Some got lesser sentences for cooperating. Um. Correct, 0:35:19.680 --> 0:35:21.960 But I'm surprised that many of them have got more 0:35:22.040 --> 0:35:24.960 time than Leebaka and pault Naka did. Even though they're 0:35:25.000 --> 0:35:29.319 doing what the houses and made threats and and there's 0:35:29.320 --> 0:35:31.400 some other things, they were mainly the ones doing it, 0:35:32.200 --> 0:35:34.919 and like you said, up falling there there are trying 0:35:34.960 --> 0:35:38.000 to impress their superior because I'm the one that don't 0:35:38.000 --> 0:35:41.239 believe the superiors tell you everything. You know what to do? 0:35:41.560 --> 0:35:43.560 Are you do this? You do this? They just say 0:35:43.800 --> 0:35:48.160 get it done, and they elected to do those things 0:35:48.239 --> 0:35:49.880 to get it done that way. Well, the last thing 0:35:49.920 --> 0:35:51.560 I want to say on this, there was a clerk 0:35:51.680 --> 0:35:54.720 that was working with the sheriff and a deputy told 0:35:54.760 --> 0:35:57.880 her to change the location of where Mr Brown is 0:35:57.880 --> 0:36:00.360 out on the computer exactly. And she said Uh, no, 0:36:00.520 --> 0:36:02.320 I'm not gonna do that, and he said, no, you 0:36:02.400 --> 0:36:04.640 have to do it. He said, from why she said, 0:36:04.719 --> 0:36:06.960 give me a letter and then I'll do it, And 0:36:07.080 --> 0:36:09.000 he didn't have a letter, so she never did it. 0:36:09.320 --> 0:36:10.600 And I wish I knew her name. I want to 0:36:10.640 --> 0:36:15.080 commend her because she had some integrity and she would 0:36:15.160 --> 0:36:17.840 not be intimidated by a deputy telling her to change 0:36:17.880 --> 0:36:20.360 something in the computer, where most of the time I 0:36:20.440 --> 0:36:22.200 think that all these people in the fall in line 0:36:22.239 --> 0:36:24.840 with whatever cops tell you to do. And that's my point. Well, no, 0:36:25.360 --> 0:36:28.479 that ain't true. That isn't true, And that's my point 0:36:28.680 --> 0:36:31.640 where you have some that are dirty or wrong, but 0:36:31.840 --> 0:36:33.800 not the whole system. But the way she told the 0:36:33.840 --> 0:36:36.279 story was the deputy was trying to intimidate her, and 0:36:36.400 --> 0:36:39.080 of course she said, well, give me the letter from 0:36:39.160 --> 0:36:41.719 from Liebaka or Paul to Knaka that says to do this, 0:36:41.840 --> 0:36:44.160 and I'll do it. But unless you show me, uh 0:36:44.480 --> 0:36:47.239 some documentation, I'm not doing And if lee Baka was 0:36:47.719 --> 0:36:50.239 involved in it the way we wanted to be portrayed, 0:36:50.440 --> 0:36:52.880 he would have just said hold on and got Liebako 0:36:52.960 --> 0:36:55.640 on the phone and called Liebak and say hey, liebaka 0:36:55.960 --> 0:36:59.440 tell this just what I just told her to do. 0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:02.560 But the lieve I could do that, I wouldn't put 0:37:02.640 --> 0:37:05.160 my name on the paperwork. All right, let's move on 0:37:05.320 --> 0:37:07.200 to Uh. Nobody ever thought it would have blew up 0:37:07.239 --> 0:37:08.759 like it did. We talked a little bit about this 0:37:08.840 --> 0:37:12.600 inn episode three. Nipsey Hustle's UH friend that was with 0:37:12.719 --> 0:37:16.000 him when he got shot, Carrie Laton. He survived the shooting. 0:37:16.680 --> 0:37:20.280 Unfortunately Nipsey Hustle did not. UM They violated his parole 0:37:20.400 --> 0:37:23.400 for being with Nipsey Hustle and last week he was 0:37:23.480 --> 0:37:27.480 in custody, but for whatever reason he's free. Now, Yeah, 0:37:27.520 --> 0:37:29.480 that's something, in my opinion, has to be changed, that 0:37:29.600 --> 0:37:33.560 law because that's what you know, our people that live 0:37:33.640 --> 0:37:37.320 in different parts of the city, they don't understand that 0:37:37.680 --> 0:37:39.719 most of the people that we grew up with or 0:37:39.800 --> 0:37:45.040 live with um our felons are are been in the situation. 0:37:45.120 --> 0:37:50.320 And that's something that's got to change. Where I understand 0:37:50.320 --> 0:37:53.120 when they state they're trying to employ the law or 0:37:53.480 --> 0:37:55.239 have the law where it's like when you go out 0:37:55.280 --> 0:37:57.600 there hanging and kicking it at the part and pouring 0:37:57.640 --> 0:38:00.160 out drinking eight balls and forties and all the out 0:38:00.200 --> 0:38:04.160 together that they don't want you congregating or hanging out together, 0:38:04.640 --> 0:38:07.440 and then you possibly can get violated for parole for that. 0:38:08.120 --> 0:38:13.600 But Nipsey was supposedly a he was not supposedly he was. 0:38:14.080 --> 0:38:18.600 He was a well what you're calling somebody positive, you know, 0:38:18.719 --> 0:38:20.800 helping out, looking out for the man. So he he 0:38:20.880 --> 0:38:23.440 shouldn't have been considered because he was a game, a 0:38:23.560 --> 0:38:26.320 documented game member, and that's why the system didn't do 0:38:26.480 --> 0:38:30.120 the right thing and let him out. But y'all missing 0:38:30.160 --> 0:38:33.279 the underlying, um what's going on? I know what in 0:38:33.400 --> 0:38:36.359 my mind from my experience and law enforcement why they 0:38:36.400 --> 0:38:38.920 put the man in jail. The man is in jail 0:38:39.400 --> 0:38:42.000 because he wasn't cooperating and I'm not saying he should 0:38:42.200 --> 0:38:45.400 or shifting, but because he wasn't given the statements that 0:38:45.480 --> 0:38:49.160 he needed to uh to put the guys shitty or 0:38:49.280 --> 0:38:52.160 whatever is culture. Plenty of evidence of who the shooter was. 0:38:52.280 --> 0:38:54.760 But want your case even better when you got somebody 0:38:54.880 --> 0:38:58.560 standing right there, Because a video video tape alone is 0:38:58.600 --> 0:39:02.399 not enough to uh um to um to prosecute someone 0:39:02.640 --> 0:39:05.440 just because you still have somebody on videotape. You need 0:39:05.560 --> 0:39:08.279 other people you need, and nothing better than an eyewitness 0:39:08.360 --> 0:39:11.200 that was there that can tell the story. But I 0:39:11.360 --> 0:39:13.239 understand this is a man that just did twenty five 0:39:13.320 --> 0:39:17.000 years in jail or not in jail, in prison, and 0:39:17.160 --> 0:39:20.640 so I understand what he's reluctant to to talk, which 0:39:20.760 --> 0:39:24.840 most people don't understand. I understand, I completely understand. I 0:39:24.920 --> 0:39:28.160 understand most people don't. You know, most people listening, you know, 0:39:28.320 --> 0:39:32.239 are our people are white folks, like what, what's what's 0:39:32.280 --> 0:39:34.919 going on? Why? What is the issue? That's your friend 0:39:34.960 --> 0:39:38.879 that got killed? Or yeah? I think that not one 0:39:38.880 --> 0:39:41.279 of the is an American thing. It goes back to 0:39:41.600 --> 0:39:45.240 the um when our mothers told us stop tattle telling. 0:39:45.840 --> 0:39:49.200 We grow up in the United States with the notion 0:39:49.400 --> 0:39:51.720 of tattle telling. It is not good. But do everyone 0:39:51.800 --> 0:39:55.239 have that Chico whether And that's across all racials. I 0:39:55.280 --> 0:39:58.560 don't think background and my neighbors will call the fucking 0:39:58.560 --> 0:40:01.040 police on me, and they hear me and my wife 0:40:01.080 --> 0:40:03.160 are you and they're gonna be calling the police? Obviously? 0:40:03.360 --> 0:40:05.919 Would you shout out, woman, you don't know? People gonna 0:40:05.920 --> 0:40:08.120 call the police. Most police officers are what race in 0:40:08.160 --> 0:40:13.680 America and most of them, yeah, but most police officers 0:40:13.680 --> 0:40:15.839 would never tell on another police officer when they see 0:40:15.880 --> 0:40:21.160 them doing wrong. That's not true, You're crazy. Most officers 0:40:21.200 --> 0:40:26.279 will never tell another cop over, James, come online is over. 0:40:26.600 --> 0:40:30.279 Don't get me And we had this discussion last over 0:40:30.480 --> 0:40:33.520 and come on, man, I don't know where where don 0:40:33.920 --> 0:40:38.359 HPD cops al Rodney King. I would say the blue 0:40:38.400 --> 0:40:41.800 line has changed, but cops that that that husband and 0:40:41.840 --> 0:40:45.759 that wife get on that standard in testify. Yeah, I remember, alright, 0:40:45.800 --> 0:40:50.360 and that was but we still have the same belief 0:40:50.960 --> 0:40:54.160 within the culture of the police that once you tell 0:40:54.200 --> 0:40:58.239 on another officer, you're considered no good. Now, maybe that's 0:40:58.280 --> 0:41:01.640 not across the board. I'm not saying, be officers. I 0:41:01.680 --> 0:41:05.360 don't think those days are over. You have clicks, You 0:41:05.480 --> 0:41:07.759 have clicks that you know four or five, but to 0:41:07.880 --> 0:41:10.759 get a whole department behind you, those days are over. 0:41:11.120 --> 0:41:14.399 I see administrator in chief and copts and stuff. They'll 0:41:14.400 --> 0:41:17.719 be trying to get you, like, okay, he did, what 0:41:19.160 --> 0:41:23.239 bring me somep with this? That go ahead, James, I 0:41:23.320 --> 0:41:29.320 don't know, man, I think uh, Red just is just 0:41:29.480 --> 0:41:31.440 watering this down on there too much. Just kind of 0:41:31.600 --> 0:41:33.960 listen to me. Don't be mad. If you listen to me, 0:41:34.360 --> 0:41:37.279 I'm gonna tell you man, there's not a police out 0:41:37.320 --> 0:41:41.160 there that I not too many that I know of 0:41:41.640 --> 0:41:45.360 what I actually don't know nothing, but yo pops, good cops. 0:41:46.120 --> 0:41:48.880 It ain't too many cops like yo pops. I have 0:41:49.080 --> 0:41:53.080 not seen them. I mean I look on my phone 0:41:53.120 --> 0:41:55.759 and I see that what they're doing over there, but 0:41:56.320 --> 0:41:59.000 not in not in Compton, not in the l A. 0:41:59.680 --> 0:42:02.279 They were you all over They are already thinking he 0:42:02.400 --> 0:42:04.960 might got a gun. I gotta do this, I gotta 0:42:05.000 --> 0:42:08.319 do that. They got their guns in their hands, are 0:42:08.320 --> 0:42:12.040 already rich. You paint the picture as if man, some 0:42:12.200 --> 0:42:14.239 of these like like the majority of these cops is 0:42:14.320 --> 0:42:22.080 like really like good cops, all of them, not all 0:42:22.160 --> 0:42:26.719 of them are not. I mean, it's it's well. The 0:42:26.760 --> 0:42:28.760 reason why I brought up about the cops is because 0:42:28.880 --> 0:42:32.160 they should understand that a guy like Carrie Lathan, who 0:42:32.239 --> 0:42:35.080 just did twenty five years in prison, it's not gonna 0:42:35.120 --> 0:42:38.840 feel comfortable talking about who just shot him, right, But 0:42:38.960 --> 0:42:40.960 see the police when they when they do, but they 0:42:41.000 --> 0:42:43.839 don't care because they're trying to make that case. They're 0:42:43.920 --> 0:42:46.959 trying to get that conviction, make that case, get that case. 0:42:48.200 --> 0:42:52.160 What two Fox situation, if SI Knight would have said, 0:42:52.200 --> 0:42:57.719 are are are are? Could Affi or um Eady would 0:42:57.760 --> 0:43:00.800 have said they saw baby Lane in that car in Vegas, 0:43:01.360 --> 0:43:07.160 which they they did, and would have told that that 0:43:07.239 --> 0:43:11.880 case would have been all or reasolved, But they didn't, 0:43:12.120 --> 0:43:14.920 so it didn't. But so I'm gonna try to push you. 0:43:15.160 --> 0:43:17.680 And that's why I follow around and try to get 0:43:17.680 --> 0:43:19.960 a case on you and try to and so to 0:43:20.000 --> 0:43:22.160 make you cooperate. And they go ahead and give them 0:43:22.160 --> 0:43:25.200 what they want. That's so you know, it's a cat 0:43:25.320 --> 0:43:28.880 and dog and cat's situation that's going on with that. 0:43:28.960 --> 0:43:31.359 But they're trying to do their job. That's all they're 0:43:31.360 --> 0:43:35.319 trying to do is but they understand if you got nipsy, Hey, 0:43:35.400 --> 0:43:37.520 this guy just got killed. This thing to do. They 0:43:37.520 --> 0:43:39.800 didn't have a video tape and he got off of that. 0:43:40.160 --> 0:43:42.839 Everybody knew who he did it, and that man knew 0:43:42.880 --> 0:43:45.520 who did it, and and and and those two guys 0:43:45.600 --> 0:43:48.359 did that. How would we be feeling about them then 0:43:48.560 --> 0:43:51.759 if it wasn't on tape and camera. That young lady, 0:43:52.040 --> 0:43:54.479 she's about to go to jail. The driver. The driver, 0:43:54.760 --> 0:43:58.520 she's going to jail, trust me. The only reason she's 0:43:58.560 --> 0:44:00.520 not in jail yet it is because you don't pretty 0:44:00.560 --> 0:44:02.960 much tell me I'm enough to help put him in 0:44:03.080 --> 0:44:06.160 that car. But let her stop take changing her tune. 0:44:06.440 --> 0:44:09.240 Let her change her tune. She will be going to jail. 0:44:09.760 --> 0:44:12.040 I think she's going to jail. Well, they already have 0:44:12.800 --> 0:44:17.560 enough evidence to prosecute this case obviously without carry Layton's assistant. 0:44:18.239 --> 0:44:20.480 And I don't think he should have ever been arrested. 0:44:20.600 --> 0:44:23.520 He should have never been violated. Plus I think they 0:44:23.560 --> 0:44:26.680 need to change the conditions of parole. Yeah, you know what, 0:44:26.880 --> 0:44:30.120 they got enough to get her to get him just 0:44:30.280 --> 0:44:32.719 because of her putting him there at the at the 0:44:32.760 --> 0:44:36.080 store allegedly of course, yeah, yeah, yeah, what we believe 0:44:36.160 --> 0:44:39.239 that that she she's helping that. But she ain't told 0:44:39.280 --> 0:44:42.120 it all. She haven't told it all. She haven't told 0:44:42.200 --> 0:44:45.279 how she jumped out of from the passenger seat to 0:44:45.440 --> 0:44:48.400 the driver's seat. And it's how they want to kick 0:44:48.440 --> 0:44:50.040 it and laid up in the hotel and all of 0:44:50.120 --> 0:44:52.640 that and why you didn't try to anyway. And there's 0:44:52.640 --> 0:44:54.840 a lot of witnesses that actually we're doing interviews about 0:44:55.480 --> 0:44:58.000 they were there and they witnessed the whole thing and 0:44:58.719 --> 0:45:00.640 and what actually happened. I mean, there's all kind of 0:45:00.640 --> 0:45:05.319 stories going on. Everybody gonna that only only the three 0:45:05.560 --> 0:45:08.440 I think are the credible witness. But I thought the 0:45:09.080 --> 0:45:11.600 kind of hypocritical thing here was that Nipsey Hustle was 0:45:11.600 --> 0:45:12.920 supposed to be meeting with the l a p D 0:45:13.040 --> 0:45:16.600 the following day to talk about gang intervention. But then 0:45:16.640 --> 0:45:23.240 they're gonna violate carry for being in association with quote Hustle. 0:45:23.680 --> 0:45:26.239 Yeah that how hypocritical is that? But they led him 0:45:26.280 --> 0:45:29.600 out the system there, right, Yeah, but they got them. 0:45:29.680 --> 0:45:31.320 He was in a wheelchair, He's got a bullet in 0:45:31.400 --> 0:45:34.200 his back. He's sitting in the county jail. Who wants 0:45:34.200 --> 0:45:38.799 have been the county jail four weeks after? But he's 0:45:38.800 --> 0:45:42.840 already fifty six years old down And I don't I 0:45:42.960 --> 0:45:45.880 think it's if it wasn't for social media, public outcry, 0:45:46.000 --> 0:45:49.920 the Internet, the gangster chronicles, who knows he might be 0:45:49.960 --> 0:45:55.840 still sitting in there, right and Jill Court, Yeah, until 0:45:55.840 --> 0:45:57.440 the next court day. Because I actually know a couple 0:45:57.480 --> 0:46:02.520 of people that were violated. They violated their parole and 0:46:02.560 --> 0:46:04.680 they were a victim of a shooting. Yeah, he could 0:46:04.680 --> 0:46:06.920 actually get ninety days. They could have actually gave him 0:46:06.960 --> 0:46:09.480 the parole board could have gave him ninety days, but 0:46:09.719 --> 0:46:12.520 I think they should change that because unless you're commit 0:46:14.320 --> 0:46:18.839 with two game bangers, you associated like that, then they 0:46:18.880 --> 0:46:21.720 should okay, you're doing you commend to crime with another 0:46:21.800 --> 0:46:25.880 game member, and if she hustle, wouldn't parole system didn't 0:46:26.000 --> 0:46:28.920 care about the fact that they were two game members, 0:46:29.000 --> 0:46:34.239 being they I know the reason to talk to him, 0:46:34.800 --> 0:46:38.200 That's what I'm saying. Let me finish, That's all I'm saying. 0:46:38.719 --> 0:46:42.319 So they got to work it out a different type 0:46:42.360 --> 0:46:44.279 of way. The way they're doing it because they know 0:46:44.400 --> 0:46:47.120 that man just got out of jail and just they 0:46:47.160 --> 0:46:49.480 didn't give a fuck if he just got out, but 0:46:49.600 --> 0:46:51.640 then to take him and put him back. What kind 0:46:51.680 --> 0:46:56.080 of police officers these? It just that's not bad police work. 0:46:56.719 --> 0:47:01.440 That's nuts. I mean, technically everything they did was legal, 0:47:02.560 --> 0:47:06.319 but there's something to say about I got your phone number. 0:47:06.640 --> 0:47:08.879 I'm gonna contract you if you tell me the ship. 0:47:08.920 --> 0:47:10.760 If I ain't talking to you, I ain't been a witness. 0:47:11.719 --> 0:47:14.239 What else you gonna do. I need you as a 0:47:14.320 --> 0:47:17.319 witness to make this case. I need you so buy 0:47:17.400 --> 0:47:19.640 him telling them off. I'm man, I just got out there. 0:47:20.840 --> 0:47:22.959 Now they're gonna say you, I can take you to jail. 0:47:23.280 --> 0:47:25.680 I need you to make this case. You got to 0:47:25.760 --> 0:47:27.839 see what they do. Their job is to make that case. 0:47:29.280 --> 0:47:34.120 That's their job. That's what we wanted to do to 0:47:34.280 --> 0:47:36.560 make that case. And so whatever I need to do 0:47:37.040 --> 0:47:40.960 to make that case within the loans, I'm going to do. 0:47:42.000 --> 0:47:45.320 And by putting pressure on Mr Lathan to cooperate and 0:47:45.400 --> 0:47:48.839 to talk puts him in a very dangerous situation where 0:47:48.880 --> 0:47:52.560 the police don't even care about that right there. And 0:47:52.680 --> 0:47:56.239 how many witnesses or potential witnesses have been shot and 0:47:56.400 --> 0:48:00.560 killed because the police didn't protect them over the years. Yeah, 0:48:00.760 --> 0:48:05.400 you know, thousands, James says, thousands. I was gonna say hundreds, 0:48:05.480 --> 0:48:11.279 But I mean that's a bad situation. And that's you know, 0:48:11.400 --> 0:48:14.960 the witness protection plan protection programs is not the greatest 0:48:15.040 --> 0:48:17.520 and and all of that, and they try to put 0:48:17.560 --> 0:48:20.319 out rewards and all of that, which you have something 0:48:20.400 --> 0:48:23.839 sentence for people to do things. Um and judges don't care. 0:48:23.960 --> 0:48:25.839 I was working on a case once where this woman 0:48:25.960 --> 0:48:27.760 was a witness and they brought her to the court 0:48:27.880 --> 0:48:31.080 that she was understand they asked you the questions, she says. 0:48:31.200 --> 0:48:33.440 I cannot answer these questions because it's not safe for 0:48:33.560 --> 0:48:36.840 my life. Judge said, you have to answer these questions 0:48:37.080 --> 0:48:40.160 or I'm gonna hold you in contempt. She said, look, 0:48:40.239 --> 0:48:43.240 I'm a mother, I have two kids. I cannot answer 0:48:43.320 --> 0:48:45.960 these questions. The judge says, I don't care if you 0:48:46.000 --> 0:48:48.040 don't answer these questions. You're going to the county jail 0:48:48.080 --> 0:48:50.640 for six months. And I sat there and I said, 0:48:50.640 --> 0:48:54.960 I cannot believe that the state is forcing her to speak. 0:48:56.000 --> 0:48:58.040 You're not a suspect, h I get your point. Yeah, 0:48:58.080 --> 0:49:00.000 she wasn't a suspect. She can't just can't. You can't 0:49:00.000 --> 0:49:01.719 to plead the fifth She actually tried to do that 0:49:01.760 --> 0:49:05.440 and they said, ma'am, you're not. So she had to 0:49:05.480 --> 0:49:07.880 sit in the county jail until the case was over with. Now, 0:49:07.960 --> 0:49:10.319 some of these cases are short. You know, the trial 0:49:10.480 --> 0:49:12.719 might be two months. But if this is one of 0:49:12.719 --> 0:49:15.920 those long cases, you're sitting in jail until the cases 0:49:16.000 --> 0:49:19.640 over for contempt. It was at the time of testifying 0:49:19.719 --> 0:49:22.080 the it was already going on. So that's why it 0:49:22.160 --> 0:49:27.719 wasn't as long as um. Yeah, it's a but their 0:49:27.840 --> 0:49:32.120 job is too. But as a cop, former police officer, 0:49:32.200 --> 0:49:33.920 do you feel any sympathy for these people that she 0:49:33.960 --> 0:49:35.719 should have never talked at the beginning, and that's what 0:49:35.880 --> 0:49:38.520 people know because you don't gave me, you don't tease me. 0:49:38.840 --> 0:49:41.480 You know, told me this happened. This happened, This happened. 0:49:42.080 --> 0:49:45.520 But I ain't coming to court. Yes you are, so 0:49:45.600 --> 0:49:49.360 the lesson is, don't never make any statement that no. 0:49:49.440 --> 0:49:51.440 If you don't want to get dragged through court. If 0:49:51.440 --> 0:49:55.760 you're suspect, shut up, be quiet. But as a witness, 0:49:57.200 --> 0:49:59.839 you gotta weigh it out. But some witness it out. 0:50:00.000 --> 0:50:02.600 If somebody coming here right now and the shot you yeah, 0:50:02.840 --> 0:50:06.479 just starts you you hey, street call. I can't talk. 0:50:07.400 --> 0:50:09.080 My sons will take care of that when they grow up. 0:50:10.440 --> 0:50:16.160 You've been watching. I'm just kidding, but I wouldn't want 0:50:16.239 --> 0:50:19.920 I wouldn't want James to tell the police who just 0:50:20.120 --> 0:50:22.959 killed me if it's gonna if it's gonna risk his life, 0:50:23.680 --> 0:50:26.600 because I believe whoever just killed me, he's gonna get 0:50:26.719 --> 0:50:30.640 his Anyways, I was in the same situation with my 0:50:30.760 --> 0:50:34.600 brother and and the police coming over there and telling us, 0:50:34.760 --> 0:50:36.239 come on, man, we need to talk to you know 0:50:36.520 --> 0:50:44.239 what you want to talk to me? Yeah, we all know, 0:50:44.600 --> 0:50:48.120 but you wasn't an eyewitness. See, there's a difference between 0:50:48.120 --> 0:50:51.600 the eye witness and an informant, and what you would 0:50:51.600 --> 0:50:55.280 have been was was called informant because you're doing second 0:50:55.320 --> 0:50:59.080 hand information where you have to treat on eyewitness different 0:50:59.160 --> 0:51:01.800 than you what you perform it. Yeah, I truly wouldn't 0:51:01.840 --> 0:51:04.719 want anyone to make a statement if it's if it's 0:51:04.760 --> 0:51:08.600 a risk to their livelihood because you just did, I'm 0:51:08.680 --> 0:51:13.080 just dead. And if there's a camera, if there's someone 0:51:13.120 --> 0:51:17.399 else that wants to come forward, they'll build their case 0:51:18.080 --> 0:51:19.759 if there's some evidence, And like I said, you have 0:51:19.840 --> 0:51:22.640 to weigh that out. There's some some situations where I 0:51:22.760 --> 0:51:28.400 turned up, especially my son or something like that. But 0:51:28.800 --> 0:51:32.480 somebody I know I'm connected with all of that. I'm sorry, 0:51:32.520 --> 0:51:37.359 I'm gonna snitch whatever. Yeah, this is what happened. Deal 0:51:37.440 --> 0:51:39.520 with it. Well, my dad would never forgive me if 0:51:39.560 --> 0:51:42.080 I did that. Rest in piece of my dad, Vincent Alan. 0:51:42.200 --> 0:51:46.759 So that's that's um stand And you know what it's 0:51:46.800 --> 0:51:48.360 it's kind of the way we grow We grew up. 0:51:48.560 --> 0:51:51.080 You grew up with a cop as a father, and 0:51:51.160 --> 0:51:52.880 I grew up with a dad who was from the streets. 0:51:53.400 --> 0:51:55.000 And James grew up in certain way as well. I 0:51:55.080 --> 0:51:59.000 grew up without one of those. So I know, um, 0:51:59.239 --> 0:52:02.399 and I'm not tell on every situation like I said, 0:52:02.480 --> 0:52:05.560 it's some situation or I'll be like, okay, it's best, 0:52:05.640 --> 0:52:10.080 just let's get out here. But there's some situations where 0:52:10.239 --> 0:52:13.120 you know you either got to do something about it 0:52:13.320 --> 0:52:17.279 yourself or are are you gotta be a witness? Well, 0:52:18.400 --> 0:52:22.920 any any last remarks regarding carry Laid Them Nipsey Hustle 0:52:24.440 --> 0:52:28.400 before we wrap up this episode. No, I'm good. No, 0:52:29.120 --> 0:52:31.759 still resting Peach Nipsey. The more I've been hearing about 0:52:31.800 --> 0:52:35.080 the brother and and and reading and listening to him talk, 0:52:35.520 --> 0:52:40.279 I understand why why people was putting mom up there 0:52:40.400 --> 0:52:42.879 with my boy to pop. You know, I actually watched 0:52:42.920 --> 0:52:46.040 a couple more of old Nipsey Hustle interviews, and I 0:52:46.080 --> 0:52:48.279 gotta say, the dude was really short when he was 0:52:48.320 --> 0:52:55.280 twenty two four, and he actually accomplished and did everything 0:52:55.400 --> 0:52:59.279 he said within ten years. You know you had to go, 0:53:01.239 --> 0:53:03.800 Even though I did watch another interview where he was 0:53:04.040 --> 0:53:07.040 complimenting and telling where he got most of this stuff 0:53:07.080 --> 0:53:10.919 from from Tupac, which you know, well, I think there's 0:53:10.920 --> 0:53:12.160 no way you could be in hip hop and not 0:53:12.239 --> 0:53:15.520 influenced by Tupac. In some way, shape or form. You know, 0:53:15.600 --> 0:53:19.000 that dude pretty much laid the blueprint and the foundation, 0:53:19.440 --> 0:53:21.399 you know, And I mean we're still listening to those 0:53:21.480 --> 0:53:25.480 music twentysothing twenty five years later. There's nothing wrong with it. 0:53:26.760 --> 0:53:28.640 Look what, Look what? Look what came out of it? 0:53:29.040 --> 0:53:32.120 Positive ship. So if I could look at Tupac and 0:53:32.200 --> 0:53:34.400 I see something in Tupac that I want to do, 0:53:35.000 --> 0:53:39.120 and this is how I'm gonna grow, get your blueprint, 0:53:39.280 --> 0:53:41.680 roll with it, and look what he did. I think 0:53:41.760 --> 0:53:45.440 Tupac's music came last longer than Nipsey Hustles music. But 0:53:45.640 --> 0:53:50.000 Nipsey was a sharp brother, you know, in his early twenties. Um, 0:53:50.920 --> 0:53:53.080 I give him that. You know, I was just throwing 0:53:53.080 --> 0:53:56.759 a jab at you because you told me Nipsey had 0:53:56.920 --> 0:53:59.520 accomplished more at the age of Tupac there and not 0:53:59.600 --> 0:54:01.400 still this screw with you on that. I don't think 0:54:01.440 --> 0:54:04.640 he accomplished more. I actually think Pock for just having 0:54:05.400 --> 0:54:08.120 you know, his professional career was only like four and 0:54:08.160 --> 0:54:11.080 a half years. He debuted in ninety one and he's 0:54:11.120 --> 0:54:14.040 dead in ninety six. That's a very short career. Who 0:54:14.160 --> 0:54:17.560 was accomplished more in that little short period of time 0:54:17.960 --> 0:54:20.200 in hip hop. I don't think anybody has. You know, 0:54:20.200 --> 0:54:21.920 we're talking about Nipsey Hustle. He'd been doing it for 0:54:21.960 --> 0:54:24.560 twelve thirteen years, you know, with his mix tapes came 0:54:24.600 --> 0:54:27.279 out in like oh five, oh six, oh seven, and 0:54:27.520 --> 0:54:30.080 he passed at thirty three. As you you made that distinction. 0:54:30.160 --> 0:54:32.680 Pop died at twenty five. Nipsey died at thirty three. 0:54:33.400 --> 0:54:37.399 But nip was sharp, no doubt about it. Even even 0:54:37.760 --> 0:54:40.520 in the interview when he was twenty two. Yeah, you know, 0:54:40.640 --> 0:54:42.400 he was speaking good knowledge and all of that. And 0:54:43.560 --> 0:54:45.640 what if he was didn't grow up in the role 0:54:45.680 --> 0:54:48.040 in the sixties cript neighborhood. I always think like, if 0:54:48.239 --> 0:54:50.520 certain people didn't grow up in a certain area, what 0:54:50.640 --> 0:54:52.520 could have they been? What could have they have accomplished? 0:54:52.520 --> 0:54:54.279 That could have went both ways. If he didn't grow 0:54:54.360 --> 0:54:56.600 up in in his neighborhood, he would probably wouldn't have 0:54:56.600 --> 0:55:00.160 known the grind. I think the grind come from, is 0:55:00.320 --> 0:55:04.440 uh the African part, Huntle, I really do, because how 0:55:04.520 --> 0:55:06.400 many the friends of niggas that you grew up with 0:55:06.600 --> 0:55:12.320 was out there selling insects? Yeah, or or T shirts. Alright, fellas, 0:55:12.600 --> 0:55:15.239 I'm gonna wrap it up for another episode of the 0:55:15.280 --> 0:55:21.000 Gangster Chronicles. Thanks for listening, Um Alex Alonso, Reggie Wright Jr. 0:55:21.040 --> 0:55:28.120 And James McDonald's signing out. This has been a digital 0:55:28.239 --> 0:55:29.840 Soapbuch Network production.