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Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of Gangster Chronicles. This is episode

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Speaker 1: number four and you're listening to Alex Alonso and I'm

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Speaker 1: sitting here with It's Reggie Right and James McDonald and

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about a few things this on this episode.

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Speaker 1: But first, um, quite a few people wanted to hear

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Speaker 1: a couple of death row death row history questions. Um,

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Speaker 1: so let's let's start off with the death row death

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Speaker 1: row history questions. What do you guys got to share

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Speaker 1: about that? Okay, we'll shoot you asked us a couple

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Speaker 1: of good questions, Alonso at the beginning, So we'll let

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Speaker 1: you just access the questions and all right, well, can

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Speaker 1: and recording sessions. Who really got beat up at that studio?

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Speaker 1: Who didn't? I mean, you had all types of situations

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Speaker 1: that was going on there. Most of it was is

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Speaker 1: overexaggerated or blown up, blown up. But um, you know,

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Speaker 1: artists got dealt with and not artists are not the

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Speaker 1: artist we know, you know, not Snoop or Park or

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Speaker 1: Dre or people like that. There's people that was trying

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Speaker 1: to get on I was trying to do stuff that

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Speaker 1: wasn't taking the business serious seriously. Some of the things

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Speaker 1: like that. It was mainly homies on homie stuff, uh,

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Speaker 1: to be honest, Uh, and it never was or I

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Speaker 1: don't know even situations like uh, you know the mob

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Speaker 1: us or anything like that. I don't have any situations

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Speaker 1: like that. You know, we all know the warrngy getting

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Speaker 1: his chain snatched and and and then you know big

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Speaker 1: c Style and Trade D came and trying to talk.

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Speaker 1: She'll get to make sure you're getting the chain back

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Speaker 1: and stuff like that, and was able to get that

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Speaker 1: chain back. That's Trade D version, Trade D version. Everybody

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Speaker 1: got a version. And keep telling people it wasn't like

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Speaker 1: people saying, you know, I saw him on Blas and

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Speaker 1: said he would have did this. So did that people

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Speaker 1: have respect for each other and then go down like that,

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Speaker 1: Why warren't you gotta change taking? I don't know, but she,

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Speaker 1: you know, talk to whoever that took the chain from

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Speaker 1: them and they gave Orange pitch Ass back his chain. James,

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Speaker 1: will you at any of those candamn studio sessions? I

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Speaker 1: didn't do. I didn't Uh. I didn't hang out with

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Speaker 1: them like that at that. Uh. I was tired of

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Speaker 1: fighting what you're were talking about during these canamn studio sessions. Well,

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Speaker 1: this particularly incident was like ninety four, early before Paul

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Speaker 1: got there. Oh yeah, oh yeah, that's before got there.

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Speaker 1: Pa got there. For those of you don't know, November

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Speaker 1: October ninety five, you really can't name now place that

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Speaker 1: death row was that that nobody got the answhopped in

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Speaker 1: everywhere we went, somebody got for no reason at all,

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Speaker 1: some of them. It's a crazy way to run a corporation, though,

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Speaker 1: man U, multimillion dollar corporation, hundreds of millions of dollars

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Speaker 1: coming in. But that's what it's easy to say. You're

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Speaker 1: hard to say because how many of the corporations have

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Speaker 1: guys fresh out on the streets from the penitentiaries working

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Speaker 1: for him? Yeah, hey, I was loving it. The Rams

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Speaker 1: was my favorite incident when we beat the Rams, right, Uh,

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Speaker 1: they was mad at Shild stretched shield car. Shild came

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Speaker 1: got us. We used at the Roxberry and uh, Shill

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Speaker 1: the thing to do and there was no questions asked.

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Speaker 1: We didn't find out too after what what the situation was.

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Speaker 1: But but once once it was over and we worked

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Speaker 1: them and these were some big These were some big boys.

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Speaker 1: And uh that man def Ro deth Ro had his

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Speaker 1: days on on uh making sure they was known. All right,

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Speaker 1: Let's move on to another question here. Someone wanted to

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Speaker 1: know was DJ Quick? I mean, I know the answer

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Speaker 1: to this, But was DJ quickly ever signed the death Row?

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Speaker 1: Why is that even a question? Is there a confusion

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Speaker 1: about J Quick was instrumental of being up at Candam Studio.

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Speaker 1: But what we all know, DJ Quick was signed the

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Speaker 1: Protfile Records, which was the label that Ron DMC and

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Speaker 1: all of them were signed to back in New York. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Most people think Ron DMC and then we was signed

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Speaker 1: to what depth jail, not the fact they were signed

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Speaker 1: the Profile. But DJ Quick was signed to ship as

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Speaker 1: a producer UM, but not as an artist. And that

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Speaker 1: That came later, Yeah, that came later. He had people

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Speaker 1: that was with DJ Quick. You know Tony Lane. Shout

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Speaker 1: that that was was dealing with was Quick or was

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Speaker 1: now sure Ship then uh Quick relationship didn't start up

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Speaker 1: technically he was signed a death row, but as a

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Speaker 1: situation right with Profile, just like we know of him

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Speaker 1: doing with Joe to See and Mary j. So if

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Speaker 1: Profile Profile, he probably would have put something out on

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Speaker 1: death row if he didn't have that contract. Oh, he

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Speaker 1: did a couple of songs for him. A matter of fact,

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Speaker 1: I reached back to a Quick while she was in

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Speaker 1: wanted to do a video for Black Pussy Man. And

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Speaker 1: I was like, okay, Quick, you know what, we got

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Speaker 1: Come on over here, we're going to shoot this little

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Speaker 1: video to the soul black Pussy And we just did

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Speaker 1: shot that video. So y'all check out Black Pussy. It

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Speaker 1: was never released commercially or anything like that, but you

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Speaker 1: did you cross pass with DJ Quick During these years,

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Speaker 1: Oh man, I've been knowing that that little cat from

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Speaker 1: their neighborhood. Man, the homeboys, they're gonna get you there

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Speaker 1: from tree Top. But he was doing everybody don't know,

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Speaker 1: we're looking tree Top the same right. No, they actually

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I knew him when he was was mixing

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Speaker 1: his tape. Let me let me cut you all that

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Speaker 1: cease far done after the Nimpsey thing or just done

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Speaker 1: what you were saying, James. I've been knowing since he

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Speaker 1: was just doing his little mixtapes and all that. We

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Speaker 1: So another another person wanted to know, was Tupac broke

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the best conception. Um, well,

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Speaker 1: number one, when he was in jails, he was broke.

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Speaker 1: That's why we reached out to him, or that's why

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Speaker 1: Park needs some money put on his book. So you

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Speaker 1: death Row didn't put up any money or anything like that. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: getting back because they were getting the baddest rapper on earth.

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Speaker 1: They already had him. They had they had an album

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Speaker 1: Me Against the World, that just sold too million records

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Speaker 1: while he was in prison. But that wasn't a death

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Speaker 1: row record. That was That's my point. They already had him.

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Speaker 1: They just was tired of when you make so many,

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Speaker 1: do I have to deal with us? Why do I

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Speaker 1: have to keep doing with this? That's how white folks think, like,

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Speaker 1: So that was the restraints that Interscope had at the time.

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Speaker 1: does he lose retirement? He would have lost his whole

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Speaker 1: retirement package. If you get convicted of a crime while

428
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Speaker 1: you're still working, then you'll you'll lose it if you

429
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Speaker 1: could convicted. Do you think that retiring before you're convicted

430
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:59,199
Speaker 1: is a loophole that should exist? Well, how do you know?

431
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 1: You know you you know he didn't have to get indicted.

432
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,159
Speaker 1: That's just what he felt was coming down the change. Well,

433
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, for any any officer or deputy that's

434
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,639
Speaker 1: charged with a felony and found guilty of it, just

435
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 1: because you retired before the conviction came through, is that

436
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 1: a loophole that that should exist for officers to take

437
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 1: advantage of, Because that's what it is. It's a loophole

438
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 1: he didn't have to get He could have retired and

439
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 1: didn't get indicted. There's a lot of people I know

440
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,680
Speaker 1: a couple of years that this speculator doing things or

441
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 1: it was under investigation and never got indicted. So that's

442
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: because you're getting investigated, don't mean you're gonna get indicted.

443
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,159
Speaker 1: The point if if you just say Pencing, if he

444
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:43,119
Speaker 1: got indicted and he they gave him five years, three years,

445
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 1: should he lose everything just because he got convicted of

446
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 1: a crime. So why should he get his pension? Yeah,

447
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 1: that's basically what I was asking. Why should he get it?

448
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,120
Speaker 1: Why shouldn't he because it's different from us. I mean,

449
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: how's it different from you? If you can lose your

450
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 1: job at the trash company and you're gon and let's go.

451
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,160
Speaker 1: Let's let's go through all the rights and civilians lose

452
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 1: when they're convicted of a crime. They lose their rights

453
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:12,160
Speaker 1: to vote, to vote, to own a gun, and there's

454
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,120
Speaker 1: several other rights that we lose. And he lost him

455
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, but I just want to take his

456
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: livelihood something that he worked thirty years, thirty eight years

457
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: of doing You want to take that away from him

458
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 1: and his family? Why? I mean, if he did something

459
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 1: silly where they consue him and then you you know,

460
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 1: you you have to get paid for that, you know,

461
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 1: the the particular person that he got in trouble for,

462
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: because those of y'all don't know the situation. They was

463
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: hiding an FBI a snitch within the jail that was

464
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 1: working for the FBI. They was hiring him within the

465
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 1: county system, moving them from because in his mind and

466
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 1: lead walking their minds. So they said, the defense was

467
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: was that that they were committing a state a state

468
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:57,679
Speaker 1: crime and so they were, um, they were felt that

469
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 1: him and the FBI agent committed state charges. Well, you can't.

470
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 1: The federal government supersedes the state. They have federal laws

471
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: and they have state laws. Just like here, it's not

472
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 1: illegal to uh to possess marijuana or whatever. It is

473
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: actually illegal. Marijuana is illegal not in the state, not

474
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: in the state, in the state, but federally it is. Yes,

475
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 1: it is. That was my point was just because you

476
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 1: have stayed law. Just like in Utah it's not illegal

477
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 1: to have more than one y but federal crimes it is.

478
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: So what I'm saying different states have different but the

479
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: way the way lie Baka and Paul Tanaka try to

480
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: spend it it was that they were going to try

481
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: to investigate defense like they even threatened that female FBI

482
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: agent of arresting. And it doesn't to me, tell me

483
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, they didn't do it. That was the

484
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: other the other people that you were talking abo. They

485
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 1: was under under their command. The way, it doesn't work

486
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:03,360
Speaker 1: that the county Law Enforcement department could arrest and investigate

487
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 1: a federal law enforcement if you commit a state crime.

488
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 1: But they were just investigating abuses in the county jail.

489
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: That's all it was. And that's why they had federally charged,

490
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: you know, by by by the they wasn't committed, They

491
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: wasn't convicted of doing any state state crime. Well, if

492
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,239
Speaker 1: Jackie Lacey would have investigated, how do we know that

493
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: there wasn't anything that that was violated on the state level.

494
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 1: Jackie Lazy doesn't investigate any law enforcement since she became

495
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 1: the d A of Los Angeles County, and I'm not sure.

496
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 1: I don't think I think that was under somebody else's

497
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: But how do we know that any state um violations

498
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 1: didn't occur? You know, all I know is that people

499
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 1: are getting asked in l A County jail. Are they

500
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 1: recovering it up and Lee Baca, the sheriff, was covering

501
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: it up or people up under his command, up under

502
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: his command. But but Liebaka got word of it, Paul

503
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 1: Paul to not Donna Lea Baka got word of it,

504
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 1: and they said, hide that inmate. And when you called

505
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: the snitch, I don't call them snitches when they work

506
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: for the when when they're investigating the cops. When he

507
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: was okay, whatever, But that's what he was. He was

508
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: a federal informant for the FBI, trying to work off

509
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: a case for the federally for federal not not even

510
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: for his state charge that he was in custody for now, James,

511
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 1: I know you've heard of many stories people getting their

512
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 1: ask being the county jail. Been in the county jail.

513
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: I was in the gang, monju. Let me just say

514
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 1: that deputies and people that does that needs to be

515
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: violated or are you know, need to go to jail.

516
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: These are these are a lot of things that they

517
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: do and they can't do in the county jail. Take

518
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: your food with you're with the water holes and leave

519
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: your land there. But all of those are and all

520
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: of those things are wrong discussion. Yes, I've been treated

521
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: like that many times in the county jail. From as

522
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: soon as I walk in there. You know what I'm saying.

523
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: They busting you upside of your head. If you take

524
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: your shoulder off the wall, you're getting smacked. The next

525
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: thing you know, you got ten fifteen deputies on you.

526
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: I've been in the in the gang module where one

527
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: of the homies was on the phone and they took

528
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: the phone. He was talking to his mom's caught her

529
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: a bitch and hung hang up his phone from this bitch.

530
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: And now as a gang ward and the dogs biting

531
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: you getting shot with them rubber bullets. So I've been

532
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: in that. So they take it totally overboard. Man. It's

533
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: a cold thing to sleep on some steel in a

534
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: puddle of water, wet, and and they just closed that game.

535
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: Media there and stuff like that needs to be investigated.

536
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: And if I say something or report what they did,

537
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: it goes unrecognized. You would you call one of your

538
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: homeboys in the gang module. That's giving the fans information

539
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: on us getting our asses kicked a snitch. No, that's

540
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 1: just his knowledge. That's if we don't say nothing, then

541
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: who will? And why were you gotta be a snitch

542
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: if he's telling, if he's telling how they're treating us

543
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: in here, telling on the police. No, he's telling how

544
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: the police is beating us in here, that makes him.

545
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: I don't know what the case is about. So he

546
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: asked the question, So is he a snitch because he's

547
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: telling the phone? He had the phone and I gave

548
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: him my phone and he was in there. But I'm

549
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: not saying he was a snitch for that. He said

550
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: he was a snitch because he was working with the

551
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:43,239
Speaker 1: a F on this case. He's been for me one.

552
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: They didn't just recruit him. He's always been and always

553
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: been in there, and like he just went in there

554
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: and picked out and said, oh let me go get

555
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: uh James McDonald and James McDonald coming on work for me.

556
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: He was already an informant of the Okay Ejaculacy took

557
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: over in two thousand twelves and when these indictments came under,

558
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: they were under her tenure. So she did absolutely nothing,

559
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: um and she absolutely has never really instigated it probably

560
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: wasn't even brought to her the the answerdent probably wasn't

561
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: even brought to her. Maybe so maybe so yeah, I

562
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,959
Speaker 1: don't know, but they didn't they trust me. They then

563
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: lost their they were embarrassed. Tim Cops been indicted on

564
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: the on the matter, and the deputy has been indicted

565
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: and everyone's been in prison except Liebaka and Lee Baker's

566
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: and he trust me and spent tons of money and

567
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: trust me. He's going to even the prosecution to now

568
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: it's still only recommended that he does two years on

569
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: on the three years sentence. That to understand it's scary though.

570
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: Just think out of them eighteen, how many if just

571
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: say seven of them would have made it to the

572
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: streets in a in a car. This is what we'd

573
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: have had to deal with. Oh no, they were past cars.

574
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: These were people win been in being in cars. And

575
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: these were sergeants and I think they were all all

576
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: different ages. There were some young, some old ones. They

577
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: was under Paul to knock us ring, which you like

578
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: you said, you know, yeah, they they you know they

579
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: were they were following the sergeant's direction as um easy

580
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: he said in this all. So what do you think

581
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: about a seventies six year old man, Lee Baka h

582
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: going to prison? Bill Cosby in jail? True? Yeah, I'm

583
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: serious If you can like Bill Cosby up and at

584
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: eighty seven years old, that white man ain't no difference.

585
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: We all, well, if I could be, if I kill

586
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: you and I'm not, you're going to jail. Okay, I'm

587
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: going to jail. So now we were comparing a person

588
00:32:55,560 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: that lied to the FBI to lead drapists. All right,

589
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: the age difference just because he's so we're just talked

590
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: about the age. So you think this man shouldn't go

591
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: to jail. Um, No, you don't think you should serious

592
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: a little bit of time one year in the fs

593
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: he's going to do two years. Yeah, but you don't

594
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: even want him doing two years. I can care less.

595
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: I don't know it, but but I'm saying the principality

596
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: of it from knowing how our system works, from probation

597
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: to all of this. And I know you all would say, well,

598
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: he should have known better because he was a cop.

599
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: He shouldn't even know. But this man is going to

600
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: jail for giving false information to some FBI agents who

601
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: claimed to have dementia when he was talking to the

602
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: FBI agents. Well, I don't believe any of that's true,

603
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: but that's his claim, that's his defense. Well, this is

604
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: what made the fens so upset when they would go

605
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: try to visit the quote unquote snitch. I think his

606
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: name is Anthony Brown. They're literally telling federal agents, Oh,

607
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: he's not here, Oh we can't find them. Oh he's

608
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: in transport right now. Oh he's in court. I mean,

609
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: everything was a lie. They were deliberately preventing the do that. Well,

610
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: it has to come down from Paul to Knaka and Liebaka.

611
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: In fact, there was one woman that was told the

612
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: jail for This is why it became a big thing

613
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: and it piste off the US attorney and the judges

614
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: and all of that was because the two sergeants that

615
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 1: worked for Paul Tanaka went to the FBI agent's house

616
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: and threatened to arrest her for sneaking a phone into

617
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: their jail facility, which you can't do that what without

618
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 1: a court, without a warrant. She was wrong. They should

619
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: they should have called her superiors and said, hey, we

620
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: need to talk. That's all meat. What's the crime for

621
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: the federal agent that's investigating potential crimes that the l

622
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 1: as sheriff deputies are committing of giving a phone to

623
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: an inmate that was called warrants. That's what you get

624
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: want you get that approved by But then why did

625
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: all these people end up going to jail? Then that

626
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: should these cases should be dismissed. Then yeah, well that's

627
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 1: that's the argument, that's the most of the defense one.

628
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 1: None of this, zero of the sheriff deputy's cases were dismissed.

629
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 1: They all were found guilty. Some got lesser sentences for cooperating. Um. Correct,

630
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: But I'm surprised that many of them have got more

631
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: time than Leebaka and pault Naka did. Even though they're

632
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 1: doing what the houses and made threats and and there's

633
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: some other things, they were mainly the ones doing it,

634
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,919
Speaker 1: and like you said, up falling there there are trying

635
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: to impress their superior because I'm the one that don't

636
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: believe the superiors tell you everything. You know what to do?

637
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: Are you do this? You do this? They just say

638
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: get it done, and they elected to do those things

639
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: to get it done that way. Well, the last thing

640
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: I want to say on this, there was a clerk

641
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,720
Speaker 1: that was working with the sheriff and a deputy told

642
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: her to change the location of where Mr Brown is

643
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 1: out on the computer exactly. And she said Uh, no,

644
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do that, and he said, no, you

645
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: have to do it. He said, from why she said,

646
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: give me a letter and then I'll do it, And

647
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: he didn't have a letter, so she never did it.

648
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: And I wish I knew her name. I want to

649
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: commend her because she had some integrity and she would

650
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 1: not be intimidated by a deputy telling her to change

651
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 1: something in the computer, where most of the time I

652
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: think that all these people in the fall in line

653
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 1: with whatever cops tell you to do. And that's my point. Well, no,

654
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,479
Speaker 1: that ain't true. That isn't true, And that's my point

655
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: where you have some that are dirty or wrong, but

656
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 1: not the whole system. But the way she told the

657
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 1: story was the deputy was trying to intimidate her, and

658
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: of course she said, well, give me the letter from

659
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: from Liebaka or Paul to Knaka that says to do this,

660
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: and I'll do it. But unless you show me, uh

661
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 1: some documentation, I'm not doing And if lee Baka was

662
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: involved in it the way we wanted to be portrayed,

663
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: he would have just said hold on and got Liebako

664
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: on the phone and called Liebak and say hey, liebaka

665
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: tell this just what I just told her to do.

666
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: But the lieve I could do that, I wouldn't put

667
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: my name on the paperwork. All right, let's move on

668
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: to Uh. Nobody ever thought it would have blew up

669
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: like it did. We talked a little bit about this

670
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: inn episode three. Nipsey Hustle's UH friend that was with

671
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: him when he got shot, Carrie Laton. He survived the shooting.

672
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,280
Speaker 1: Unfortunately Nipsey Hustle did not. UM They violated his parole

673
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: for being with Nipsey Hustle and last week he was

674
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: in custody, but for whatever reason he's free. Now, Yeah,

675
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: that's something, in my opinion, has to be changed, that

676
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: law because that's what you know, our people that live

677
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 1: in different parts of the city, they don't understand that

678
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: most of the people that we grew up with or

679
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: live with um our felons are are been in the situation.

680
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 1: And that's something that's got to change. Where I understand

681
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: when they state they're trying to employ the law or

682
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: have the law where it's like when you go out

683
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: there hanging and kicking it at the part and pouring

684
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: out drinking eight balls and forties and all the out

685
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: together that they don't want you congregating or hanging out together,

686
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: and then you possibly can get violated for parole for that.

687
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: But Nipsey was supposedly a he was not supposedly he was.

688
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: He was a well what you're calling somebody positive, you know,

689
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 1: helping out, looking out for the man. So he he

690
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: shouldn't have been considered because he was a game, a

691
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 1: documented game member, and that's why the system didn't do

692
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: the right thing and let him out. But y'all missing

693
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: the underlying, um what's going on? I know what in

694
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 1: my mind from my experience and law enforcement why they

695
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 1: put the man in jail. The man is in jail

696
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: because he wasn't cooperating and I'm not saying he should

697
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 1: or shifting, but because he wasn't given the statements that

698
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: he needed to uh to put the guys shitty or

699
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: whatever is culture. Plenty of evidence of who the shooter was.

700
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,760
Speaker 1: But want your case even better when you got somebody

701
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: standing right there, Because a video video tape alone is

702
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,399
Speaker 1: not enough to uh um to um to prosecute someone

703
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: just because you still have somebody on videotape. You need

704
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: other people you need, and nothing better than an eyewitness

705
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: that was there that can tell the story. But I

706
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: understand this is a man that just did twenty five

707
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: years in jail or not in jail, in prison, and

708
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: so I understand what he's reluctant to to talk, which

709
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 1: most people don't understand. I understand, I completely understand. I

710
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: understand most people don't. You know, most people listening, you know,

711
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: are our people are white folks, like what, what's what's

712
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,919
Speaker 1: going on? Why? What is the issue? That's your friend

713
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 1: that got killed? Or yeah? I think that not one

714
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: of the is an American thing. It goes back to

715
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,240
Speaker 1: the um when our mothers told us stop tattle telling.

716
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: We grow up in the United States with the notion

717
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,720
Speaker 1: of tattle telling. It is not good. But do everyone

718
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: have that Chico whether And that's across all racials. I

719
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: don't think background and my neighbors will call the fucking

720
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: police on me, and they hear me and my wife

721
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: are you and they're gonna be calling the police? Obviously?

722
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,919
Speaker 1: Would you shout out, woman, you don't know? People gonna

723
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: call the police. Most police officers are what race in

724
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: America and most of them, yeah, but most police officers

725
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 1: would never tell on another police officer when they see

726
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: them doing wrong. That's not true, You're crazy. Most officers

727
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: will never tell another cop over, James, come online is over.

728
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: Don't get me And we had this discussion last over

729
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: and come on, man, I don't know where where don

730
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 1: HPD cops al Rodney King. I would say the blue

731
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 1: line has changed, but cops that that that husband and

732
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 1: that wife get on that standard in testify. Yeah, I remember, alright,

733
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 1: and that was but we still have the same belief

734
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: within the culture of the police that once you tell

735
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: on another officer, you're considered no good. Now, maybe that's

736
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: not across the board. I'm not saying, be officers. I

737
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 1: don't think those days are over. You have clicks, You

738
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: have clicks that you know four or five, but to

739
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: get a whole department behind you, those days are over.

740
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,399
Speaker 1: I see administrator in chief and copts and stuff. They'll

741
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: be trying to get you, like, okay, he did, what

742
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: bring me somep with this? That go ahead, James, I

743
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 1: don't know, man, I think uh, Red just is just

744
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 1: watering this down on there too much. Just kind of

745
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: listen to me. Don't be mad. If you listen to me,

746
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you man, there's not a police out

747
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: there that I not too many that I know of

748
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 1: what I actually don't know nothing, but yo pops, good cops.

749
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: It ain't too many cops like yo pops. I have

750
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: not seen them. I mean I look on my phone

751
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 1: and I see that what they're doing over there, but

752
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: not in not in Compton, not in the l A.

753
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: They were you all over They are already thinking he

754
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: might got a gun. I gotta do this, I gotta

755
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 1: do that. They got their guns in their hands, are

756
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: already rich. You paint the picture as if man, some

757
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: of these like like the majority of these cops is

758
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: like really like good cops, all of them, not all

759
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: of them are not. I mean, it's it's well. The

760
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,760
Speaker 1: reason why I brought up about the cops is because

761
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: they should understand that a guy like Carrie Lathan, who

762
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: just did twenty five years in prison, it's not gonna

763
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 1: feel comfortable talking about who just shot him, right, But

764
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: see the police when they when they do, but they

765
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 1: don't care because they're trying to make that case. They're

766
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,959
Speaker 1: trying to get that conviction, make that case, get that case.

767
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: What two Fox situation, if SI Knight would have said,

768
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: are are are are? Could Affi or um Eady would

769
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 1: have said they saw baby Lane in that car in Vegas,

770
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: which they they did, and would have told that that

771
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 1: case would have been all or reasolved, But they didn't,

772
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: so it didn't. But so I'm gonna try to push you.

773
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: And that's why I follow around and try to get

774
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: a case on you and try to and so to

775
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: make you cooperate. And they go ahead and give them

776
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: what they want. That's so you know, it's a cat

777
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: and dog and cat's situation that's going on with that.

778
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 1: But they're trying to do their job. That's all they're

779
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 1: trying to do is but they understand if you got nipsy, Hey,

780
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: this guy just got killed. This thing to do. They

781
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,800
Speaker 1: didn't have a video tape and he got off of that.

782
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 1: Everybody knew who he did it, and that man knew

783
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: who did it, and and and and those two guys

784
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 1: did that. How would we be feeling about them then

785
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: if it wasn't on tape and camera. That young lady,

786
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,479
Speaker 1: she's about to go to jail. The driver. The driver,

787
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: she's going to jail, trust me. The only reason she's

788
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: not in jail yet it is because you don't pretty

789
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: much tell me I'm enough to help put him in

790
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: that car. But let her stop take changing her tune.

791
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,240
Speaker 1: Let her change her tune. She will be going to jail.

792
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: I think she's going to jail. Well, they already have

793
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: enough evidence to prosecute this case obviously without carry Layton's assistant.

794
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: And I don't think he should have ever been arrested.

795
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: He should have never been violated. Plus I think they

796
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: need to change the conditions of parole. Yeah, you know what,

797
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: they got enough to get her to get him just

798
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: because of her putting him there at the at the

799
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: store allegedly of course, yeah, yeah, yeah, what we believe

800
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: that that she she's helping that. But she ain't told

801
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: it all. She haven't told it all. She haven't told

802
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 1: how she jumped out of from the passenger seat to

803
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: the driver's seat. And it's how they want to kick

804
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: it and laid up in the hotel and all of

805
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: that and why you didn't try to anyway. And there's

806
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 1: a lot of witnesses that actually we're doing interviews about

807
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: they were there and they witnessed the whole thing and

808
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: and what actually happened. I mean, there's all kind of

809
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 1: stories going on. Everybody gonna that only only the three

810
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: I think are the credible witness. But I thought the

811
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: kind of hypocritical thing here was that Nipsey Hustle was

812
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: supposed to be meeting with the l a p D

813
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: the following day to talk about gang intervention. But then

814
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:23,240
Speaker 1: they're gonna violate carry for being in association with quote Hustle.

815
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: Yeah that how hypocritical is that? But they led him

816
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: out the system there, right, Yeah, but they got them.

817
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 1: He was in a wheelchair, He's got a bullet in

818
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: his back. He's sitting in the county jail. Who wants

819
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 1: have been the county jail four weeks after? But he's

820
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: already fifty six years old down And I don't I

821
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: think it's if it wasn't for social media, public outcry,

822
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: the Internet, the gangster chronicles, who knows he might be

823
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 1: still sitting in there, right and Jill Court, Yeah, until

824
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: the next court day. Because I actually know a couple

825
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: of people that were violated. They violated their parole and

826
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: they were a victim of a shooting. Yeah, he could

827
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 1: actually get ninety days. They could have actually gave him

828
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: the parole board could have gave him ninety days, but

829
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: I think they should change that because unless you're commit

830
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 1: with two game bangers, you associated like that, then they

831
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,720
Speaker 1: should okay, you're doing you commend to crime with another

832
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: game member, and if she hustle, wouldn't parole system didn't

833
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: care about the fact that they were two game members,

834
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 1: being they I know the reason to talk to him,

835
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Let me finish, That's all I'm saying.

836
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 1: So they got to work it out a different type

837
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 1: of way. The way they're doing it because they know

838
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: that man just got out of jail and just they

839
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: didn't give a fuck if he just got out, but

840
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: then to take him and put him back. What kind

841
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: of police officers these? It just that's not bad police work.

842
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: That's nuts. I mean, technically everything they did was legal,

843
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: but there's something to say about I got your phone number.

844
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:08,879
Speaker 1: I'm gonna contract you if you tell me the ship.

845
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:10,760
Speaker 1: If I ain't talking to you, I ain't been a witness.

846
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: What else you gonna do. I need you as a

847
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 1: witness to make this case. I need you so buy

848
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: him telling them off. I'm man, I just got out there.

849
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:22,959
Speaker 1: Now they're gonna say you, I can take you to jail.

850
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: I need you to make this case. You got to

851
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 1: see what they do. Their job is to make that case.

852
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: That's their job. That's what we wanted to do to

853
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: make that case. And so whatever I need to do

854
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: to make that case within the loans, I'm going to do.

855
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 1: And by putting pressure on Mr Lathan to cooperate and

856
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 1: to talk puts him in a very dangerous situation where

857
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: the police don't even care about that right there. And

858
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: how many witnesses or potential witnesses have been shot and

859
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: killed because the police didn't protect them over the years. Yeah,

860
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: you know, thousands, James says, thousands. I was gonna say hundreds,

861
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 1: But I mean that's a bad situation. And that's you know,

862
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: the witness protection plan protection programs is not the greatest

863
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: and and all of that, and they try to put

864
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 1: out rewards and all of that, which you have something

865
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,839
Speaker 1: sentence for people to do things. Um and judges don't care.

866
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 1: I was working on a case once where this woman

867
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:27,760
Speaker 1: was a witness and they brought her to the court

868
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: that she was understand they asked you the questions, she says.

869
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: I cannot answer these questions because it's not safe for

870
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 1: my life. Judge said, you have to answer these questions

871
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: or I'm gonna hold you in contempt. She said, look,

872
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,240
Speaker 1: I'm a mother, I have two kids. I cannot answer

873
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: these questions. The judge says, I don't care if you

874
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: don't answer these questions. You're going to the county jail

875
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: for six months. And I sat there and I said,

876
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: I cannot believe that the state is forcing her to speak.

877
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: You're not a suspect, h I get your point. Yeah,

878
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: she wasn't a suspect. She can't just can't. You can't

879
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: to plead the fifth She actually tried to do that

880
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 1: and they said, ma'am, you're not. So she had to

881
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 1: sit in the county jail until the case was over with. Now,

882
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 1: some of these cases are short. You know, the trial

883
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 1: might be two months. But if this is one of

884
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 1: those long cases, you're sitting in jail until the cases

885
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: over for contempt. It was at the time of testifying

886
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: the it was already going on. So that's why it

887
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: wasn't as long as um. Yeah, it's a but their

888
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: job is too. But as a cop, former police officer,

889
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 1: do you feel any sympathy for these people that she

890
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: should have never talked at the beginning, and that's what

891
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: people know because you don't gave me, you don't tease me.

892
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: You know, told me this happened. This happened, This happened.

893
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: But I ain't coming to court. Yes you are, so

894
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 1: the lesson is, don't never make any statement that no.

895
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: If you don't want to get dragged through court. If

896
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:55,760
Speaker 1: you're suspect, shut up, be quiet. But as a witness,

897
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,839
Speaker 1: you gotta weigh it out. But some witness it out.

898
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: If somebody coming here right now and the shot you yeah,

899
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:06,479
Speaker 1: just starts you you hey, street call. I can't talk.

900
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: My sons will take care of that when they grow up.

901
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: You've been watching. I'm just kidding, but I wouldn't want

902
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want James to tell the police who just

903
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,959
Speaker 1: killed me if it's gonna if it's gonna risk his life,

904
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: because I believe whoever just killed me, he's gonna get

905
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: his Anyways, I was in the same situation with my

906
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 1: brother and and the police coming over there and telling us,

907
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: come on, man, we need to talk to you know

908
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: what you want to talk to me? Yeah, we all know,

909
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: but you wasn't an eyewitness. See, there's a difference between

910
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: the eye witness and an informant, and what you would

911
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:55,280
Speaker 1: have been was was called informant because you're doing second

912
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: hand information where you have to treat on eyewitness different

913
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,800
Speaker 1: than you what you perform it. Yeah, I truly wouldn't

914
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 1: want anyone to make a statement if it's if it's

915
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: a risk to their livelihood because you just did, I'm

916
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: just dead. And if there's a camera, if there's someone

917
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 1: else that wants to come forward, they'll build their case

918
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 1: if there's some evidence, And like I said, you have

919
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 1: to weigh that out. There's some some situations where I

920
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 1: turned up, especially my son or something like that. But

921
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: somebody I know I'm connected with all of that. I'm sorry,

922
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 1: I'm gonna snitch whatever. Yeah, this is what happened. Deal

923
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: with it. Well, my dad would never forgive me if

924
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: I did that. Rest in piece of my dad, Vincent Alan.

925
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 1: So that's that's um stand And you know what it's

926
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 1: it's kind of the way we grow We grew up.

927
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: You grew up with a cop as a father, and

928
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 1: I grew up with a dad who was from the streets.

929
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: And James grew up in certain way as well. I

930
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: grew up without one of those. So I know, um,

931
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,399
Speaker 1: and I'm not tell on every situation like I said,

932
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: it's some situation or I'll be like, okay, it's best,

933
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: just let's get out here. But there's some situations where

934
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: you know you either got to do something about it

935
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: yourself or are are you gotta be a witness? Well,

936
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 1: any any last remarks regarding carry Laid Them Nipsey Hustle

937
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 1: before we wrap up this episode. No, I'm good. No,

938
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 1: still resting Peach Nipsey. The more I've been hearing about

939
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: the brother and and and reading and listening to him talk,

940
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 1: I understand why why people was putting mom up there

941
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,879
Speaker 1: with my boy to pop. You know, I actually watched

942
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: a couple more of old Nipsey Hustle interviews, and I

943
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 1: gotta say, the dude was really short when he was

944
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:55,280
Speaker 1: twenty two four, and he actually accomplished and did everything

945
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 1: he said within ten years. You know you had to go,

946
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 1: Even though I did watch another interview where he was

947
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: complimenting and telling where he got most of this stuff

948
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:10,919
Speaker 1: from from Tupac, which you know, well, I think there's

949
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: no way you could be in hip hop and not

950
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: influenced by Tupac. In some way, shape or form. You know,

951
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: that dude pretty much laid the blueprint and the foundation,

952
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,399
Speaker 1: you know, And I mean we're still listening to those

953
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: music twentysothing twenty five years later. There's nothing wrong with it.

954
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: Look what, Look what? Look what came out of it?

955
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: Positive ship. So if I could look at Tupac and

956
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 1: I see something in Tupac that I want to do,

957
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 1: and this is how I'm gonna grow, get your blueprint,

958
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: roll with it, and look what he did. I think

959
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 1: Tupac's music came last longer than Nipsey Hustles music. But

960
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: Nipsey was a sharp brother, you know, in his early twenties. Um,

961
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: I give him that. You know, I was just throwing

962
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: a jab at you because you told me Nipsey had

963
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: accomplished more at the age of Tupac there and not

964
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 1: still this screw with you on that. I don't think

965
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: he accomplished more. I actually think Pock for just having

966
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: you know, his professional career was only like four and

967
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: a half years. He debuted in ninety one and he's

968
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: dead in ninety six. That's a very short career. Who

969
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: was accomplished more in that little short period of time

970
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: in hip hop. I don't think anybody has. You know,

971
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 1: we're talking about Nipsey Hustle. He'd been doing it for

972
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: twelve thirteen years, you know, with his mix tapes came

973
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 1: out in like oh five, oh six, oh seven, and

974
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 1: he passed at thirty three. As you you made that distinction.

975
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: Pop died at twenty five. Nipsey died at thirty three.

976
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:37,399
Speaker 1: But nip was sharp, no doubt about it. Even even

977
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 1: in the interview when he was twenty two. Yeah, you know,

978
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 1: he was speaking good knowledge and all of that. And

979
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: what if he was didn't grow up in the role

980
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 1: in the sixties cript neighborhood. I always think like, if

981
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: certain people didn't grow up in a certain area, what

982
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: could have they been? What could have they have accomplished?

983
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 1: That could have went both ways. If he didn't grow

984
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 1: up in in his neighborhood, he would probably wouldn't have

985
00:54:56,600 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 1: known the grind. I think the grind come from, is

986
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 1: uh the African part, Huntle, I really do, because how

987
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 1: many the friends of niggas that you grew up with

988
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:12,320
Speaker 1: was out there selling insects? Yeah, or or T shirts. Alright, fellas,

989
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna wrap it up for another episode of the

990
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: Gangster Chronicles. Thanks for listening, Um Alex Alonso, Reggie Wright Jr.

991
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: And James McDonald's signing out. This has been a digital

992
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 1: Soapbuch Network production.