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Speaker 1: Welcome to the ozone podcast, presented by by Star Credit Union,

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Speaker 1: featuring Jaguars senior writer John Osier and executive producer Dave

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Speaker 1: de Candice. Our guests this week is I think somebody

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Speaker 1: if the Jaguars fans don't know very well yet. I

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Speaker 1: don't know him very well yet, but it's Jaguars safety

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Speaker 1: Josh Jones, who many people know made the team. Uh

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Speaker 1: won a starting job during training camp by beating out

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Speaker 1: Ronnie Harrison, who was eventually traded. It was a surprise story,

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Speaker 1: but from talking to coaches, personnel people, a very deserved

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Speaker 1: story and once you watched him, not much of a surprise.

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Speaker 1: First of all, welcome and give me your first impressions

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Speaker 1: of Jacksonville in this COVID world. Has it been an

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Speaker 1: odd transition for you? You know what? Um? Uh, COVID

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Speaker 1: in general has been off for everybody. I feel like

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Speaker 1: this year, but UM, to be honest, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: you kind of get used to get in a routine,

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Speaker 1: and you kind of get used to doing everything you

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Speaker 1: know with the test and obviously and the protocols, so

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Speaker 1: it's kind of normal now. You just wake up just

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Speaker 1: like how you wake up and brush it to you.

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Speaker 1: You notice you have everything, every protocol to go through it,

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Speaker 1: so it's normal and you know, I feel like I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm well adjusted to it. There's so much to get

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Speaker 1: to with your story. And I know there's a lot

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Speaker 1: that you've gone through in terms of getting and if

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Speaker 1: I love for the game back, but an appreciation. You've

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Speaker 1: talked about that a lot. But I want to ask

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Speaker 1: you first. Everything you've heard from coaches who have talked

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Speaker 1: about you, is that somehow when you first got here

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Speaker 1: back in January, you managed to make such an impression

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Speaker 1: in terms of how serious you were gonna be taking

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Speaker 1: this moving forward. You signed as a practice squad guy

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Speaker 1: last year. What did you do When did you realize

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Speaker 1: how much you had to turn it on in that spect?

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Speaker 1: If you if you fall, well, you know, I understand

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Speaker 1: my abilities. UM. And I feel like the worst thing

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Speaker 1: you can do with you know, god given talent um

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Speaker 1: is wasted. UM. And I feel like, once you have

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Speaker 1: an opportunity that presents itself, UM, you have to take

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Speaker 1: full advantage of it. UM. You have to do everything

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Speaker 1: to seize that opportunity. UM. And I feel like that

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Speaker 1: was my that was my whole mindset going into this year. Um,

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Speaker 1: I said that this if the Jaguards, they give me

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Speaker 1: an opportunity, and I'm just gonna roun with and I

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Speaker 1: want to look back and um, you know, and I

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Speaker 1: think Coach Maron and I think I think the person there,

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Speaker 1: I think you know, Mr call Off bringing me in,

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Speaker 1: you know, and just you know, giving me an opportunity

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Speaker 1: to be a part of this team. Uh. Like I'm

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Speaker 1: beyond thankful, you know, because obviously I could have been

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Speaker 1: anywhere else. Um probably you know, I don't I don't

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Speaker 1: know where I could have been. But I'm just I'm

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Speaker 1: just thanking for the opportunity. Um. And you know, just

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Speaker 1: continue to just keep pressing. Bow. Take me through your process.

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Speaker 1: You're with Green Bay and then you're out of football

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Speaker 1: for three or four weeks before you signed with Dallas

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Speaker 1: last year, and you talked extensively about it, and you know,

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Speaker 1: you buried your soul with it a little bit on

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Speaker 1: the conference call. But it was fascinating that you really

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Speaker 1: realized during that time, Hey, I've got to change a

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Speaker 1: little bit. I've got to approach this thing differently. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, with with a lot of things.

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Speaker 1: People can point the finger, you can say it was

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Speaker 1: this person's part or best person fault. But at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day, you wake up every morning, you

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Speaker 1: So you have to go back and go back to,

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Speaker 1: And and and that's and and that was not saying

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Speaker 1: that I didn't do that when I got to the NFL,

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Speaker 1: but it was just like I have to rewire my focus, rewired,

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Speaker 1: being consistent. I truly believe that if you have a

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Speaker 1: consistent approach with anything in life We're just not talking

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Speaker 1: and then it's just up you. God just leaves it

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Speaker 1: come into Jacksonville with a renewed attitude. I think that's

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Speaker 1: the right way to say it. You have a great approach. Early,

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Speaker 1: has a moment of are you kidding me? You know what?

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Speaker 1: two weeks you know, I came and worked out you

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Speaker 1: the coaches and everybody. But I mean once once, uh

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Speaker 1: I didn't really look at that thing. I didn't really

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Speaker 1: of people, you know, I you know, it's unfortunately everything

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Speaker 1: this year has helped me more than more than it

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Speaker 1: it's like you you what else did you have to do?

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Speaker 1: You know you got I feel like I came out

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Speaker 1: season a better person. You know, messingly, you're afreshed. You know,

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Speaker 1: but I just I work better when and everyone writes

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Speaker 1: And and I put all put all of that, all

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Speaker 1: can't you can't be afraid to one fail. You can't

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Speaker 1: I'm able to one of my one of my you know,

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Speaker 1: But if I'm able to, you know, at least, you know,

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Speaker 1: like I've done my job. How does a guy from Southfield,

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Speaker 1: But um, you know what the recruiting process, Michigan State

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Speaker 1: just yea. I never really traveled much growing up. And

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Speaker 1: then with North Carolina, I'm like, you know, good weather,

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Speaker 1: it's near the ocean, so why not did you find

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Speaker 1: not it's not too far. Now you really got close

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Speaker 1: no question. What when you came into camp this year,

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Speaker 1: The other thing with Josh Jones is I think Jaguars

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Speaker 1: doing all my preseason previews and position analysis. I assume

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Speaker 1: Everything adds up. Clearly, there's a reason why a second

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Speaker 1: it back. Well. I don't know there's any question listening

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Speaker 1: to him that he heads your quote unquote prayer meeting

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Speaker 1: where he you realize, if I don't do it now,

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Speaker 1: I ain't doing it. A lot of times for guys,

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Speaker 1: he's not going to be I don't I don't think

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Speaker 1: he's a starter here long term. I don't know why

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Speaker 1: it wouldn't be, but he's certainly got that you got

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Speaker 1: And everything you hear is that he's for a strong safety.

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Speaker 1: He's playing fine. Yeah, and uh, it will just be interesting.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's the thing. It will be interesting to

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Speaker 1: see how his uh story finishes up here as a

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Speaker 1: still a lot to be written. But it's just, uh,

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Speaker 1: just glad we'll close it out with this. I'm glad

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Speaker 1: that I finally found the guy who lines up with

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Speaker 1: my musical. So I'm gonna go listen to a little dirt.

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Speaker 1: And so with that said, I think Joe Fortunato and

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Speaker 1: Davey Candice will also be listening to a Little Dirt.

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Speaker 1: We're all on the same page here. I though this

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Speaker 1: is a good oh z own podcast. I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's socko when I thank everybody for making me sound

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Speaker 1: better than I actually I am. And we'll talk to

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Speaker 1: everybody next week.