1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace bombshell and a stunning twist. 2 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: Barry Morphew is charged again and the murder of his wife, 3 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: Suzanne Morphew. 4 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 2: I spent days. 5 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 1: Tramping around the entire area and realized very quickly how 6 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: difficult it would. 7 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 2: Be to find Suzanne Morphew's remains. But guess what. 8 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: They were found in a remote area, and those remains 9 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: really crack this case wide open. Take a listen to 10 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: Anne Kelly, District Attorney, twelve Judicial District. 11 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 3: Suzanne Morphew was reported missing on Mother's Day five years ago. 12 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 3: Law enforcement has never stopped working to obtain justice for 13 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 3: this mother of two, this daughter, this sister, and this 14 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 3: beloved member of the Chaffey County community. Through the tireless 15 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 3: efforts of the Chaffey County Sheriff's Office, the Sawatch County 16 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 3: Sheriff's Office, the Colorado Bureau of Investigation, and the Federal 17 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 3: Bureau of Investigation, I can announce today that the twelfth 18 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 3: Judicial District Grand Jury returned an indictment. The grand jury 19 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 3: has indicted Barry Morphew on the single count of murder 20 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 3: in the first degree. 21 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: Many of us thought this day may never come, but 22 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: held out hope for justice for Suzanne. As you will 23 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 1: all recall, he the husband Bary Morphew, had been indicted 24 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: before and the case was thrown out of court on 25 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: alleged prosecutorial misconduct. Now years have passed and the case 26 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: has been revived, brought back from the dead straight out 27 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: to a very special guest joining us is Tisha Leeway, 28 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: a very dear friend of Suzanne Morphew. Tisha is wonderful 29 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: to see you. I wondered if we would ever speak 30 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: on this occasion. Tell me your response, your reaction when 31 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: you learned Barry Morphew had finally been indicted a second 32 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: time in Suzanne's murder. 33 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 2: I was shocked, Honestly. 34 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 4: I knew I was hoping that the day would come, obviously, but. 35 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 2: I didn't even know. 36 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 4: I was working and my phone was just going crazy, 37 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 4: and then all of a sudden, I had to stop 38 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 4: and just look, and I honestly started crying because I 39 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 4: was so shocked and happy, and I mean, I'm glad 40 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 4: this day is finally came. 41 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: You stated that you always thought it would happen after 42 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: the first and night was thrown out for alleged prosecutorial misconduct. 43 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 1: Many people thought it never would that the case was 44 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: so tainted there was no way to get a grand 45 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: jury indictment or conviction. 46 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 2: Why did you always believe it would happen? 47 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 4: I just know that, you know, things work in mysterious ways, 48 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 4: and I feel like she deserves the justice, so I 49 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 4: think honestly, after they found her body in a different county, 50 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 4: I felt like we were in good hands, not that 51 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 4: Chafe County, you know, most of them, you know, are 52 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 4: worked with Swatch County anyway, But once the body was found, 53 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 4: obviously that gave us way bigger hopes, and then once 54 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 4: the autopsy came out, that was even bigger. 55 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: Titia Leeway, a very dear friend and confidante of Suzanne Morpheus, 56 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: what was your reaction when you realize when you first 57 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: realized that Suzanne was missing and couldn't be found. 58 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 2: What did you think? 59 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 5: I just kind of just followed the news a little bit, 60 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 5: but you know, it was a little strange just the 61 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 5: way she went missing, so obviously I kind of thought 62 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:19,239 Speaker 5: something else happened. 63 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: Guys, we are joined by an all star panel and 64 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: we are trying to make sense of what we are learning. 65 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 6: Now. 66 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 2: I want you to take a Listen to what happened 67 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 2: around the time. 68 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: Suzanne seemingly vanished into thin air, all alone in her 69 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: home on Mother's Day, and according to her husband, Barry Morphew, 70 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,919 Speaker 1: she decided to go on a Mother's day by cride. 71 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 2: Listen. 72 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,359 Speaker 6: After a missing person's report was called in by a neighbor, 73 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 6: investigators responded to the Morphew's residence. The house was locked, 74 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 6: Suzanne's vehicle was in the garage with no signs of 75 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 6: forest entry. Suzanne and her bicycle, we're missing. The bike 76 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 6: was found less than a mile from her home down 77 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 6: a hillside off a dirt road. 78 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: Joining me investigative reporter with crime stories Dave mac Dave mac. 79 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: We all flew out to the location and spent days 80 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: looking for evidence. Reviewing the location where her bike was found. 81 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: And I recall distinctly at the time that Barry Morphew 82 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: said his wife must have been eaten by wild animals. 83 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: I guess what. As she went by on the bike, 84 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: a wild animal just jump and attacked her. Mid Bi 85 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: cried and then dragged her body away. Her bike helmet 86 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:55,679 Speaker 1: was found about a mile away. I guess the wild 87 00:05:55,920 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: predator dragged her her helmet a mile away, But then 88 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 1: that theory was scattered when her body was found in 89 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: another county. That's a long way for a mountain lion 90 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 1: to drag a dead body, isn't it. 91 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 6: Well, you know, Nancy, it's a long way for any 92 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 6: animal to carry a body. But to actually his theory 93 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 6: of the bobcat, he threw that out there right or 94 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 6: a mountain lion, he threw that out there right away. 95 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 6: And anybody in the area that knew anything about mountain 96 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 6: lions were like, no, that, they don't work like that. 97 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 6: There might be one out here somewhere, but they're not 98 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 6: going to do that. And when they found her remains, fancy, 99 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:44,359 Speaker 6: if you remember, the remains that they found were bleached 100 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 6: and almost complete. You know, they found almost a complete 101 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,039 Speaker 6: set of bones of her, and that's not common when 102 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 6: you find a body out in an area like where 103 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 6: she was found, it's very uncommon. They're usually parts of 104 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 6: the body because if wild animals get it, they carry 105 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,479 Speaker 6: it away parts of it and they're all scattered. But 106 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 6: that didn't happen here. 107 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: Now I'm looking back over what happened that morning, that 108 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: Mother's Day morning to doctor Bethany Marshall joining us renown 109 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: psychoanalyst out of the LA jurisdiction. 110 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 2: She's the author of deal Breaker. 111 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: You can see her now on Peacock and you can 112 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: find her online at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. 113 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany. 114 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: Her daughters were camping on Mother's Day and they called 115 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: her relentlessly to talk to their mom on Mother's Day. 116 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: Interesting that prior to that weekend, Bary Moore for you, 117 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: according to reports, did not have a construction job planned. 118 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: But suddenly that morning, around I guess four o'clock in 119 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: the morning or so, he put together a crew for 120 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: an out of town job. It took off on Mother's 121 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: Day morning, leaving, according to him, his wife alone on 122 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: Mother's Day still asleep in bed. 123 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 7: Thoughts, Nancy, that's so suspicious. Who was pulled together a 124 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 7: crew at the last minute? And if he did, is 125 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 7: there a homeowner or a business owner who requested for 126 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 7: him to come in at the last minute. Perhaps they 127 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 7: had complaints about the plumbing or the tile or something 128 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 7: like that. I mean, I think we'd really want to 129 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 7: show that there was a reason that he would pull 130 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 7: together that crew. Secondarily, Nancy, mother's as you know, because 131 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 7: you have beautiful Lucy. They want to be in contact 132 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 7: with their children on Mother's Day. The fact that she 133 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 7: would not pick up the phone is very odd. I mean, 134 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 7: this was her reason for being in life, was to 135 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 7: be in contact with her children and Leslie. You know, 136 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 7: the idea that her bones were found so far away, bleached, preserved, 137 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 7: not eaten by animals, And the fact is that if 138 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 7: she had died of natural causes out in the out 139 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 7: in the wild, her body would have been scavenged. So 140 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 7: there's just so many things that are missing about this story. 141 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 2: You know, I want to follow up on something that 142 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 2: you just said. 143 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 1: Joining me is doctor Thomas Coin, Chief Medical Examiner, District 144 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: to Medical Examiners Office, State of Florida. He is a 145 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: forensic pathologist, a toxicologist, and a neuropathologist and you can 146 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: find him on x at doctor tm coin. Doctor Coin, 147 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. What does it mean 148 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: that there was no hair attached to her body? 149 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 8: Well, if she did die, or if her body was 150 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 8: placed outside and she decomposed outside, there would have. 151 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 6: Been a hair mass. 152 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 9: Not only a hair mass, you. 153 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 8: Would have seen in the soil evidence of decomposition because 154 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 8: all of those body tissues, your body fluids had to 155 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:00,319 Speaker 8: go somewhere as they begin to denature and liquefy, and 156 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:02,559 Speaker 8: so you would have had, in conjunction with the skeleton, 157 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 8: you would have had her hair mass. You would have 158 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 8: also had evidence of decomposition or fluid, especially if she 159 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 8: was wearing clothing. The clothing I'm sure would have been tattered, 160 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 8: would have had evidence of decomposition, fluted or deco or 161 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 8: fluid within those tissues or clothing for that matter. 162 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 2: We learn more about the discovery of her body. Listen. 163 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:24,199 Speaker 6: When Suzanne's body was found, the majority of her bleached 164 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 6: bones were recovered, along with a cancer port and items 165 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 6: of clothing matching bike clothing Suzanne was known to wear. 166 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 6: There was a lack of bug activity, inconsistent with the 167 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 6: remains decomposing where they were found. There was also a 168 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 6: lack of animal activity on the bones and no hair 169 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 6: mass found. These features would have been expected where the 170 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 6: body was found if it had been the original gravesite 171 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 6: where decomposition occurred. 172 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: Doctor Colin, when you refer to a hair mass, you're 173 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: referring to the hair that would have been on her head. 174 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 8: It's correct, Yeah, it would have floffed off of her hand. 175 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: And understand again what that means that no hair mass 176 00:10:58,960 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: is found. 177 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:01,199 Speaker 2: What does that main sure? 178 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 8: Well, if her body was left outside, she would have 179 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 8: decomposed outside, and that's a meal for bugs, for animals. 180 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 8: You would have had scavenging activity. Animals would have come in, 181 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 8: uh to sort of gain access to the tissue. They 182 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 8: would have walked away with certain body parts. But the 183 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 8: hair on the heads, as the tissue begins to decompose, 184 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 8: it sloths off of the skull, leaving that matted hair behind. 185 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 8: Very often that hair is full of waxy tissue, bugs, magus, 186 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:34,599 Speaker 8: other types of tepey that may be president so it 187 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 8: forms almost like a matted massive hair and that would 188 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 8: have been present there with the skeleton. 189 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,199 Speaker 2: So that means that's not where she decomposed originally. Is 190 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 2: that what you just said means absolutely? 191 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:47,839 Speaker 8: And also when you have bleached bleached skeleton like that, 192 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:51,559 Speaker 8: a body that's outside weathers, so that body would those 193 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 8: bones would not be bleached. That tells me that more 194 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 8: than likely the body was kept somewhere else and then 195 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,439 Speaker 8: placed there after it had become a skeleton. 196 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 1: Dave Mac, could you tell me about the area where 197 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:08,079 Speaker 1: her remains were found? Her skeletal remains, Dave. 198 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:13,439 Speaker 6: Mac in a really remote area about forty miles south 199 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 6: of where her home was, down off of the Highway 200 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 6: seventeen down a dirt road off into a remote area 201 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 6: that is actually referred to as the boneyard. To a degree, 202 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:32,839 Speaker 6: it's such a remote area that it wasn't someplace you 203 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 6: would just arbitrarily think of getting rid of a body. 204 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 6: It's something that was so remote and planned that it 205 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 6: would have had to have been thought out in advance 206 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 6: to figure out exactly where to place the remains so 207 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 6: that they would be out where you wouldn't just trip 208 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 6: over them on accident. 209 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: In the last hours, Barry Morphew, now accused formally in 210 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: the murder of his wife Suzanne in court smiling, smiling 211 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: why Joining me is a renowned criminal defense attorney and 212 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: you can find him at his website DW Smith Legal 213 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 1: dot com. 214 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 2: Joining us is Derek Smith. Wow, that must have been 215 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 2: a really smart mountain lion to drag her body after. 216 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: It soared through the air and attacked her and yanked 217 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: her off of her bike and then dragged her to 218 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: the next county to a known disposal site call the boneyard. 219 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,599 Speaker 2: That's some mountain lion. Derek Yeah, he seems. 220 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 10: To have a good lay of the land too. I 221 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,319 Speaker 10: guess if this boneyard is something. 222 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 11: Of an area that has been used for this type 223 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 11: of purpose before, how did he get its name? You know, 224 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,439 Speaker 11: it does seem a little a little questioning to me 225 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 11: when you're talking about the body is decomposed and it 226 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 11: has an outside agent on it, such as bleach or 227 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 11: something that it doesn't seem like that's going to come 228 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 11: from the animal kingdom. 229 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 10: It seems like some kind of being of higher intelligen 230 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:00,959 Speaker 10: was involved here. 231 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,719 Speaker 11: It doesn't necessarily mean it was somebody close to her, though, 232 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 11: it still could be a random act of violence in 233 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 11: a way of getting rid of the evidence in a 234 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:11,559 Speaker 11: certain sensuation. 235 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 2: Like this, Derek, do you know how remote their home was? 236 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 2: Who's going to just drive by and see her? I 237 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 2: mean I practically had to hike to get to it 238 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 2: when I went out there looking. 239 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: It's very remote, which in my mind reduces the likelihood 240 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: of stranger on stranger. 241 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 11: Well, yeah, of course, you definitely have a smaller population 242 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 11: to go I guess and target if you're somebody looking 243 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 11: to do this, but that also could be part of it. 244 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 11: You want to go target somebody in a remote area 245 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 11: because you have some kind of fascination for them. I've 246 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,479 Speaker 11: seen the pictures of this woman. She seemed she looked attractive. 247 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 11: It could have been appealing to somebody just passing by 248 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 11: or someone that shouldn't have been there in the first 249 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 11: lay way, Well. 250 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 2: It could have been what wait, what did you just say? 251 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 2: She's attractive? So it could have been what it could. 252 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 11: Have been just someone passing by and taking a look 253 00:14:57,680 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 11: at her and saying, you know what, I'm going to 254 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 11: take advantage of her being in a remote situation and 255 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 11: nobody being around, and I'm going to go end up doctor. 256 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: As oppose to her being really really ugly, I don't what, 257 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: because she's pretty, uh, stranger someone said, Wow, she's a looker, 258 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: let me kill her it. 259 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 11: As to the likelihood that it could be somebody else dancing, 260 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 11: that's that's kind of what I'm trying to say here. 261 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: Okay, you know you're getting in trouble right now. You 262 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: got a tiger by the tail. You can't hold on 263 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: and you can't let go. So you're saying because she's attractive, 264 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: that ups the ante and the likelihood that it was 265 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: a stranger on stranger attack. 266 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 2: Somebody drives by and goes, wow, she's pretty Let me 267 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 2: kill her. Okay, you know what, Let's see what Derek 268 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 2: Smith has to say about this. 269 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 6: Investigators learned BAM was sold by only one company in 270 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 6: the United States and could only be obtained by prescription 271 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 6: from a veterinarian, Very Moore. Few filled several prescriptions for BAM. Ultimately, 272 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 6: the prescription record show that when Suzanne Morphew disappeared, only 273 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 6: one private citizen living in the entire state had access 274 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 6: to BAM, Barry Morphew. 275 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 2: Okay, did you hear that, Derek? 276 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: Only one person and the whole state had beut orphenol BAM, 277 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: b brother, a alpha M mother beutorphenol, and two others 278 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: one person in the whole state at her remains were 279 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: saturated with it. And lo and behold, Barry Morphew is 280 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: the only person in the state. 281 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 5: That hasn't. 282 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 11: So is this something that can't be acquired by anybody 283 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 11: else out of the state. I mean, think you'd be 284 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 11: foolish enough to use something that he knows? Is this 285 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 11: strictly regulated? You know, there's plenty of other states, other 286 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 11: people that can have access to these things, and it 287 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 11: seems like it's a pretty good agent to incapacitate a victim, 288 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 11: So it seemed like you'd be a pretty good cocktail 289 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 11: to use if you're going to target somebody. 290 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 2: You know what, you really are amazing how you just 291 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 2: you get damning evidence. 292 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:06,719 Speaker 1: You're like runpel stillsk and I don't know if you're 293 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: familiar with that story. He gets straw, moldy, damn yucky 294 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: straw that's been stored in a barn, gotten wet, and 295 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: he spins it into gold. That's amazing what you just 296 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: did there. But let's go to a veteran homicide detective 297 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 1: joining us. Not a hired gun, no offense, Derek, but 298 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: you are your higher gun. If you get paid enough money, 299 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: you'll defend anything. And let me be clear, Derek Smith 300 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: has one a lot of cases. 301 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 2: Doing what he just did right in front of you. 302 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 2: I threw a whole. 303 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 1: Bell of wet, smelly hay at him and he spun 304 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: it into gold. Joining me right now is Chris mcdonna. 305 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: He is the director at the Cold Case Foundation, former 306 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 1: homicide detective, around three hundred death investigations under his belt, 307 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: and he's the star of the interview Room on YouTube. 308 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: Chris mcdona, try to wipe everything that Derek. 309 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 2: Smith just said out of your mind. Don't be brainwashed. 310 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: Barrymorphy is the only person in the state that has 311 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: a prescription which is really hard to get for bam 312 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: main ingredient betworphen all, he's the only one. So if 313 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: we follow Derek Smith, it sounded like a good argument 314 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: to start with that it was stranger and stranger, and 315 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: then he threw in, well, it's because she's attractive that 316 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: this stranger happens to be driving through and it's a 317 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:40,959 Speaker 1: very small and remote area, very small and remote happens 318 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: to be there. 319 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 2: Why I don't know, maybe a traveling salesperson. Why don't 320 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 2: we throw that in? 321 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: They see Susanne Morphew attack her and kill her and 322 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: drag her to a place only known to locals as 323 00:18:54,280 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: the boneyard. And then, amazingly, this unknown assailant has beut 324 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: orphanal b m A, which is only prescribed by Vince 325 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 1: and the only other person in the whole state that 326 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: has it as her husband, Barry Moore. 327 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 2: For you quite the co inkyding, right, yeah, absolutely, I 328 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:16,120 Speaker 2: mean what a coincidence? 329 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 9: Right, And let's add into this mix the fact that 330 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 9: he used to use. 331 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 12: BAM in Indiana when he would hunt deer, deer and animals, 332 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 12: and he would use that to incapacitate them to take 333 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 12: their antlers because he knew it wouldn't kill them. But however, 334 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 12: in this situation, Suzanne is found in a gravesite, possibly move. 335 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 9: The indictment is given us indication that she was moved. 336 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 12: So now going back to that argument of a stranger, well, 337 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 12: the guy must have picked her up, you know, did 338 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 12: whatever he needed to do, bury her somewhere, come back, 339 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 12: dig her back up, and move her back down to 340 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 12: the location she was ultimately dunked. 341 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 9: It not happening. 342 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. 343 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: You know, what did you make of it, Chris McDonough, 344 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 1: Because I was just it was like a kick in 345 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: the stomach. I was stunned when the first indictment was 346 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:35,719 Speaker 1: thrown out based on alleged prosecutorial misconduct. And I'm going 347 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: to go to Dave Mack in a moment for him 348 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 1: to explain why that first indictment was thrown out. And 349 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 1: Barry Morphew, as I recall, and I'm going to go 350 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: to Dave on this too, sued people that suggested that 351 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: he was guilty after that indictment got thrown out. When 352 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: that indictment was thrown out, many people believe Chris McDonough 353 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 1: the case would never be revived again. 354 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 2: That was the death knell for the case. 355 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:13,199 Speaker 1: But somehow through meticulous investigation, and I am talking about meticulous. 356 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 2: Can you imagine how many man. 357 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: Hours it took to determine who, if anyone in the 358 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 1: entire state had a prescription for bam be trophan. 359 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 2: All that must have taken hundreds and hundreds. 360 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 1: Of man hours to figure that out, and to go 361 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: all the way back to his home state of Indiana 362 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 1: to find out that he had a prescription for it 363 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: there through a vet to shoot deer and get their antlers. 364 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 2: I guess is why he says he had it. I mean, 365 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 2: that's very damning evidence. Christmas Dinnah totally a great nancy. 366 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 12: And in fact, you know, there's a saying in homicide, 367 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 12: our day begins when your day ends. 368 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 9: And they never gave up. 369 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 12: And even though they're was a curveball thrown with the 370 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 12: situation there with the District Attorney's office, they were pressing forward. 371 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 12: And when the body was found, all this other evidence 372 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 12: now presented itself and they could take a different direction. 373 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 1: I want you to hear about how Suzanne's remains were 374 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: saturated with BAM. 375 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,880 Speaker 6: Listen the El Paso County Corners. Testing found Suzanne's bone 376 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 6: marrow contained all three of the individual chemicals that comprise BAM. 377 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 6: BAM did not contaminate the body after death. Suzanne's body 378 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 6: had begun to metabolize the drug before she died. The 379 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 6: coroner's ruling homicide by unspecified means in the setting of 380 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 6: beutrophenol a, zapparone and metatomidine intoxication. 381 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: Bob Sale Barry Moorephew back in court on new formal 382 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 1: charges he murdered his wife Suzanne. Does anybody remember the 383 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 1: name Jody Arius. I'm afraid I actually say that loud. 384 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: It might conjure her up to doctor Bethany Marshall, remember, 385 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 1: Jody Arius murdered her lover, Travis Alexander after an all 386 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 1: day sex marathon. 387 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 2: She murdered him when after all the sex and the 388 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 2: photos of the sex, and the blaw. 389 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: And the blaw, he went, yeah, I'm not canceling that 390 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: date where I'm taking the other woman, my date to 391 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 1: ken kuon She wanted him. 392 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 2: To call off that date. 393 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 1: They were broken up, by the way, so we asked 394 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 1: another lady to go on this trip. And Arius drives 395 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: across the state with gas cans full of gas in 396 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: her car so she doesn't have to stop and leave 397 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: a trail at a gas station, gets there, has a 398 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 1: sex marathon, and it didn't change his mind, so she 399 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: killed him. 400 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 2: I think it was twenty eight or nine stab wounds. 401 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: There was an argument about that because some of the 402 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: stab wounds were overlapping in his shower, left him to decompose, 403 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 1: and then for good measure, shot him in the head 404 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 1: over that. But then she went so far as to 405 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: leeve her digital. 406 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 2: Camera in the home, right. I think she washed it 407 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 2: in the washer. 408 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 1: And it was found in the washer, her digital camera 409 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,479 Speaker 1: where she was trying to get rid of evidence. 410 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 2: And oh, there you go. 411 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: That's one of my favorite photos ever in life. There's 412 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 1: the digitcam. We had to go back and dig around. 413 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: Oh wait a minute, is that the picture off her foot. 414 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: There's actually a picture off her foot, her pants at 415 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 1: the murder scene. She takes an unintentional selfie at the 416 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 1: murder scene, but the digitcam is found in the washer. 417 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,640 Speaker 1: Do you remember that Dr Bethany. 418 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 2: Now see I remember that story so clearly. 419 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 7: Driving all the way to visit the victim, didn't she 420 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 7: use gas cans instead of pumping gas at a gas station. 421 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 7: At one point she was stalking him, and she like 422 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 7: hid behind a Christmas tree. What I think is so 423 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 7: interesting in these two cases is that rejection, or the 424 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 7: perception of rejection, is often at the core of domestic homicide. Now, 425 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 7: in the case of Jody Arius, she did not she 426 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 7: did not prepare a dump site. Right the dump site 427 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 7: was the shower and she thought nobody would ever figure 428 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 7: it out. Now, in this case with Susanne Warfew, somebody 429 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 7: prepared a dump site. They took her body, bleached her bones. 430 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 7: There's a bam, you know in the bone marrow, meaning 431 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 7: that it was metabolized before her death, and the later 432 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 7: on her body is moved to the bone yards. So 433 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,120 Speaker 7: to me, that so much speaks. Although with Jody Arias 434 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 7: I also think it was premeditated, but especially in this case, 435 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 7: somebody premeditated this. I mean, where do you put a 436 00:25:54,440 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 7: body for months before you secrete it somewhere else? Freezer, 437 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 7: I don't know, in your backyard. This body was somewhere 438 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 7: being preserved before it was dumped again. It tells me 439 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 7: just how much time and attention and detail went into 440 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 7: the commission of the crime. 441 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 1: You know, doctor Bethany, I did not want to interrupt 442 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 1: you because I learned so much every time you go 443 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: on a roll. 444 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 2: But I want you to hear this. This is where 445 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 2: I was going. Sadly, I meandered. 446 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 1: But remember we were talking about Jody Arius leaving the 447 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 1: digital camera with incriminating photos on the digital camera, and 448 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 1: they had to I guess they put it in a 449 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 1: bag of rice because somehow they saved what was on 450 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: the digital Okay, I hope you're sitting down. 451 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 2: You may need to lay down for this listen. 452 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 6: Officers find a locked gun safe in the Morpheus garage. 453 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 6: Inside that gun safe, they find a Dart rifle or 454 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 6: tranquilizer rifle and packages of new Dart brand tranquilizer darts. 455 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 6: The packages include cap type of derming needles designed to 456 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 6: load the darts. Law enforcement also finds one of these 457 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,880 Speaker 6: needles caps in the dryer among men's shorts. No tranquilizer 458 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 6: formula was found. It was in his dryer, in his underwear. 459 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 6: How appropro in his underwear in the dryer. It's just 460 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 6: like Jody Arius is Jody arias. I mean, he leaves 461 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 6: the tranquilizer needle cap in the dryer and they can't. 462 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 1: Find the liquid because it's obviously and Susanne Morphus body 463 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 1: is gone. It's gone, I mean in the dryer. 464 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 2: What an idiot. I'm so happy. 465 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 7: Okay, So this is randomble with Jody Arius and Barry 466 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 7: more Fuse. I woul could have guessed that this was 467 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 7: the first time they ever stripped the sheets and put 468 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,439 Speaker 7: them in the washing machine because they you know how 469 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 7: you like check the pockets to make sure there's no Kleenex, 470 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 7: or you make sure that their socks are not in 471 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 7: the sheets. Stuff the sheets in camera, dark gun whatever, 472 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,640 Speaker 7: dark gun cap and all, which I think is hilarious. 473 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 7: It says something about well, homicit's not hilarious, but it 474 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 7: does say something about the domestic routine they were in 475 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 7: with their partners, where the partners maybe did everything and 476 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 7: at this point they were just very hasty and didn't 477 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 7: think about what they were doing. 478 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,640 Speaker 1: Now, Jackie here in the studio wants me to point out, 479 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: according to her, the needle cap was found in the 480 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 1: men's men's shorts not underwear. Okay, how that makes a 481 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: legal difference, I don't know, but they're so noted. So 482 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: you know, now to Chris McDonough, we have him, not 483 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: just the only person in the whole state according to 484 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: the records that has bam beutrphenal, but the needle cap 485 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 1: is in his shorts, in his dryer at the time 486 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: the home is searched. When she goes, miss I mean, 487 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 1: I want to scream idiot. Okay, I will's idiot, But 488 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: I mean the evidence is damning. Just yes, what do 489 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 1: you make of it? And you know another thing I 490 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 1: haven't even gotten into this yet is the activity of 491 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 1: the phone. I mean, it's Coburger all over again, your 492 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: specialty Coburger who turns his phone off as he, according 493 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: to the state, leaves the murder scene and travels home 494 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 1: and then turns it back on. Here Barry Morphew did 495 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: something very similar. And let me just state he is innocent. 496 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: He is innocent until he has proven guilty in a 497 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 1: court of law. But I mean, do people never learn. 498 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: I hate to give criminals any tests, but leave your. 499 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 2: Phone at home just this one time? 500 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 9: Yeah you know, yeah, I mean it's job security unfortunately. 501 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 9: But let's take this cap for moment. 502 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 12: If he's the only guy in the state of Colorado 503 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 12: that has access to this chemical, that cap is going 504 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 12: to be a high wall that the. 505 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 9: Defense is going to have to jump over. And then 506 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 9: let's take the fact that she has a cancer report 507 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 9: on her body. 508 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,479 Speaker 12: Imagine this for a moment, Nancy, if he injected her, 509 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 12: he shoots her with a dart, and now he has 510 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,479 Speaker 12: access to even more of this chemical. And I'll let 511 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 12: doctor Kine talk about that a little bit deeper. 512 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 9: The fact that they found it so. 513 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 12: Ingrained into her bone marrow, did he inject it and 514 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 12: froze her in time? That's going to be a question. 515 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 12: I think a lot of people are going to be asking. 516 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 9: And if in fact he. 517 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 12: Did that, Remember he tells the authorities one of his 518 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 12: first statements is, well, we made love all night, really in. 519 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 2: The last hours. 520 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 1: Alleged killer Barry Morphew in Smiling for the Crowd Crime 521 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. Okay, Dave matt let me ask 522 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 1: you a couple of things. Number One, why was the 523 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: States case thrown out on alleged prosecutorial misconduct? I want 524 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 1: to hear that and then I want to talk to 525 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 1: you about what the cell phone activity and movements reveal. 526 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: But first the alleged prosecutorial misconduct. 527 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 2: What was it all right? 528 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 6: Well, Nancy, One week before the initial first green murder 529 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 6: in Suzanne's death was said to hit court, they dropped 530 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 6: the charges without prejudice so it can be brought again later. 531 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 6: And the reason for that was they believed they had 532 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 6: zeroed in on where her remains would be, but due 533 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 6: to weather conditions at that time, they could not get 534 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 6: to the area where they believed they would find her body. 535 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 6: So they rather than moving forward with a no body trial, 536 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 6: they felt it wiser to move forward to wait until 537 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 6: they could actually find the remains. That coupled with the 538 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 6: fact that the original prosecutor was a woman named Linda Stanley. Now, 539 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 6: she was not removed from the case because specifically of 540 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 6: the very more Few investigation, but there were plenty of 541 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 6: problems with Linda Stanley that led to her being taken 542 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 6: off the case and later disbarred for a series of 543 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 6: ethical violations and misconduct related to her handling of the 544 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 6: more Few case, among others. So there was a number. 545 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 6: If you want me to go into him, there was 546 00:32:56,360 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 6: an adequate supervision of the case with those investigator. They 547 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 6: were saying that Linda Stanley issued extra judicial statements that 548 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 6: she made publicly multiple times that were inappropriate, made to 549 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 6: the media about the murder case and potentially prejudicing future jurors. 550 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 6: She claimed that she launched a baseless investigation into the 551 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 6: district judge presiding over the case without any credible evidence whatsoever, 552 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 6: and her office then allegedly caused numerous discovery violations as well. 553 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 6: Double that with abusive power. 554 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: Hold on, Dave Matt You can't just throw out discovery violations. 555 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: I asked you specifically, what was the alleged prosecutorial misconduct? Now, 556 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 1: from what I understand, correct me if I'm wrong, is 557 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 1: that she, Linda Stanley, the former district attorney, was sanctioned 558 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: from missing deadlines. 559 00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 2: Let me get Derek Smith in on this. 560 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: Derek Smith a veteran defense attorney, Okay, the one I 561 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: accused of being ropel steel skin a little a few 562 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: moments ago. I remember many many, many nights more than 563 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 1: I can count, at the District Attorney's office after midnight 564 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 1: on Friday nights because the trial was going to start 565 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 1: ten days later on a Monday, right counting out, and 566 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:25,840 Speaker 1: that discovery had to be postmarked ten days before trial. 567 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 2: I would normally send it out far ahead of that, 568 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 2: but if I had. 569 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: Other things I had discovered, I'd be at the Xerox machine, which, 570 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 1: of course, around ten thirty would break down and I'd 571 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,240 Speaker 1: be fighting with this massive Xerox machine trying to copy 572 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 1: the discovery and raise to the Atlanta Airport where I 573 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:48,400 Speaker 1: could still get something timestamped before midnight. 574 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:49,760 Speaker 2: Good times. 575 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: The point is you have to give the other side 576 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 1: their discovery at a certain deadline, and if you don't, 577 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,880 Speaker 1: Derek Smith, you can't bring that evidence into trial, period. 578 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,879 Speaker 11: Absolutely not. I mean it's the part of a trial 579 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 11: that it gets really complex, especially when new evidence is 580 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,359 Speaker 11: discovered during the trial and things of that nature during 581 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 11: the proceedings are going on. You have to give the 582 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 11: other side, especially if there's exculpatory evidence. I mean there's 583 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 11: local rules that codify all that as well a chance 584 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 11: to review what you just found out. 585 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 10: You have to be open with discovery. That's just number one. 586 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:27,720 Speaker 10: In these cases. 587 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 11: You cannot hide the ball and show up at trial 588 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 11: and say, hey, look here's some evidence I'm going to 589 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 11: present the judge won't allow it, and you can also 590 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:35,360 Speaker 11: risk a mistrial. 591 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:36,320 Speaker 10: Nobody wants a mistrial. 592 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:37,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not worth it. 593 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 1: You got to follow the rules because if you don't, 594 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 1: a it's going to get found out. Okay, it's an 595 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:45,320 Speaker 1: ethical violation. 596 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 2: Who wants that. 597 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 1: I don't want an ethical violation. And then when it's 598 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,320 Speaker 1: found out, your case gets reversed. And the problem with 599 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,360 Speaker 1: a case getting reversed because of an ethical violation or 600 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,920 Speaker 1: misconduct is it can very well be re versed with prejudice, 601 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 1: which means you can't try it again. That was your 602 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 1: one shot. I mean people get reversals all the time. 603 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 1: The judge can have a slip of the tie and 604 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,760 Speaker 1: giving a jury instruction. There can be a million things 605 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 1: that on appeal, the appellate courtse says, huh uh, and 606 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 1: it's reversed and you have to retry it. But if 607 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:27,360 Speaker 1: it's reversed with prejudice, the person is acquitted, and you 608 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:31,239 Speaker 1: don't want that now. Dave mac also, you know, I 609 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 1: just heard Derek Smith, and he's right. If there's any 610 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,919 Speaker 1: Brady material. Bradyv. Maryland is the United States Court case 611 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,759 Speaker 1: went to the Supremes when the State did not hand 612 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:46,719 Speaker 1: over some let me just say exculpatory didn't I don't 613 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 1: think exonerated the defendant, but it was exculpatory. It tended 614 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,759 Speaker 1: to suggest the defendant was not guilty, and they didn't 615 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 1: hand it over. Was there a Brady violation in this 616 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 1: case or not, Dave Mac? Was there evidence about an 617 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 1: unknown male's DNA in Suzanne's suv? 618 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 6: DNA from an unknown male found in Suzanne Morphy's a SUV. 619 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,120 Speaker 6: That was the discovery violations, the biggest one. 620 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,840 Speaker 2: Okay, So that's a big one. And you know, Derek Smith, 621 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:18,920 Speaker 2: what finally. 622 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:23,920 Speaker 1: Happened was the state, as Dave Mac just accurately reported, 623 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 1: withdrew the case. 624 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,360 Speaker 2: And they did that in the hopes of not getting 625 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:31,800 Speaker 2: thrown out of court with prejudice. 626 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,840 Speaker 1: And by withdrawing that case on their own, they had 627 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,240 Speaker 1: the opportunity to rebring it because there is no statute 628 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 1: of limitations on murder. 629 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 2: Okay, do you agree with at least that much, Derek absolutely? 630 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 1: Does anybody remember the name Alex Murdock Mayhee rotten Hill, 631 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,239 Speaker 1: convicted in the double murders of his wife Maggie and 632 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 1: son Paul. Well, guess what bit him in the rear 633 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:04,240 Speaker 1: end a trial is gas guzzling, massive honking suv because 634 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,400 Speaker 1: guess what it had a state of the art nav 635 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 1: system listen. 636 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:13,560 Speaker 6: Analysis of Barry Morphu's electronic devices, including the infotainment system 637 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,359 Speaker 6: in his truck and cell phone, showed Morphew returned home 638 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,560 Speaker 6: at two forty three PM on Saturday, May ninth, twenty twenty, 639 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,759 Speaker 6: and according to the data, his phone or truck never 640 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,719 Speaker 6: left the residence again until the next morning, Sunday he 641 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 6: left for Broomfield, Colorado. The data also shows Morpheus phone 642 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 6: turned off for most of this timeframe. It was turned 643 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,880 Speaker 6: on for a while in the late evening. Barry Morphew's 644 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,480 Speaker 6: cell phone was again turned off at four thirty two 645 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,359 Speaker 6: am and wasn't turned on again until five point thirty 646 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,480 Speaker 6: seven am, when location information showed him on the road 647 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,320 Speaker 6: already in the area of Johnson Village, Colorado. 648 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:52,799 Speaker 1: The suv infotainment system is biding Morphew in the rear end. 649 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,520 Speaker 2: Explain Dave Matt what does this mean? 650 00:38:55,640 --> 00:39:00,120 Speaker 1: Because in the Murdock case, what it meant was you 651 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,360 Speaker 1: could tell exactly when Alex MURDERA left the scene of 652 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,680 Speaker 1: the double murder. You could tell when he let his 653 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 1: window down on the passenger side of the car to 654 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 1: throw out Maggie's cell phone which was found in that 655 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,759 Speaker 1: location on the side of the road when he accelerated, 656 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,520 Speaker 1: when he let the window up, when he put the 657 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 1: car in park drive reverse. You name it as he 658 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,440 Speaker 1: hit out at his mother's house to create an alibi. 659 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 1: That was a tactic trial with the navigation system evidence 660 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:30,279 Speaker 1: from the SUV who to funk it right, Dave mc 661 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,480 Speaker 1: same thing here. What does the now system show about 662 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:34,120 Speaker 1: more few. 663 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:38,880 Speaker 6: It's actually it is showing that during significant periods of 664 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,239 Speaker 6: time related to this case on May ninth and May tenth, 665 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:47,080 Speaker 6: that his phone was just arbitrarily turned off at odd 666 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,879 Speaker 6: times and inconsistent with previous behavior that they were able 667 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,160 Speaker 6: to download. It was turned off like at two forty 668 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,840 Speaker 6: seven pm, right after he got home, right after he 669 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,480 Speaker 6: sees her in the backyard on her phone. He gets home, 670 00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:04,319 Speaker 6: turns his phone off. His phone stays off until ten 671 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:10,759 Speaker 6: fifteen pm that night. It gets turned back off at 672 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,359 Speaker 6: four thirty two am, So to be clear, he gets home, 673 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 6: turns his phone off about bedtime ten fifteenth, he turns 674 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,839 Speaker 6: it back on, turns it back off when he gets 675 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,120 Speaker 6: up at four thirty two am May tenth, and the 676 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,480 Speaker 6: phone is turned back on at five thirty seven am 677 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,800 Speaker 6: May tent and it shows his location as if he 678 00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:36,560 Speaker 6: was driving in the area of Johnson Village, Colorado. So 679 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:41,080 Speaker 6: it's documenting where he is and how he's trying to 680 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:45,200 Speaker 6: disguise himself. He's trying to use some form of masking 681 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,360 Speaker 6: to prevent them from knowing where he is and what 682 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,200 Speaker 6: he's doing at those given times. 683 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,720 Speaker 1: And Mason want to just scream out Brian Coberger because 684 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,000 Speaker 1: again on the way home, according to the State from 685 00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,279 Speaker 1: the murder scene, he turns a cell phone off, only 686 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,279 Speaker 1: to turn it back when he gets home to his 687 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,480 Speaker 1: Pullman apartment. And you know, Chris mcdunne joining me, director 688 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,600 Speaker 1: of the Cold Case Foundation and star of the Interview 689 00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:12,040 Speaker 1: Room on YouTube from a homicide detective, that again must 690 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,719 Speaker 1: have been an incredibly brilliant mountain lion because it I 691 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,399 Speaker 1: guess it ates is Anne Morphy's cell phone, because that's 692 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:19,360 Speaker 1: never been found. 693 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:24,360 Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean, and to think that that pattern of 694 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:28,080 Speaker 12: life would also be consistent with that mountain lion as well. Nancy, 695 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,080 Speaker 12: you know, more than anybody on this panel, as a 696 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,840 Speaker 12: former prosecutor, the one thing that law enforcement wants to 697 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:40,040 Speaker 12: present at all times is everything and in this. 698 00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:44,480 Speaker 9: Situation, Barry has a very uphill battle with. 699 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:49,319 Speaker 12: The circumstantial case it's building and that digital footprint could 700 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,399 Speaker 12: be potentially very dangerous for him. 701 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:59,040 Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds again and a bombshell development 702 00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:06,360 Speaker 1: in the Marry Morpheu prosecution. Morphew charged again indicted in 703 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:11,799 Speaker 1: the murder of wife Suzanne, five years after she goes 704 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:17,320 Speaker 1: missing on a Mother's day by ride all alone.