1
00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:15,200
Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. I'm Matt Miller and

2
00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:17,520
Speaker 1: I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is Hot Pursuit.

3
00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:21,759
Speaker 2: All right, Today we have an interview with an incredibly

4
00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:27,400
Speaker 2: fascinating artist, car collector, professor.

5
00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:32,800
Speaker 1: Collector, writer, lecturer. Yeah, Kenny Schachter. You might know him

6
00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,640
Speaker 1: from his book The NFT Book of twenty twenty three.

7
00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,959
Speaker 1: He's also got a regular column on art Net and

8
00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:42,640
Speaker 1: he actually is has a show right now at Jupiter

9
00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,360
Speaker 1: Gallery in New York called Art in the Age of

10
00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:51,360
Speaker 1: Robotic Reproduction. So he's got a lot going on. And

11
00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:52,480
Speaker 1: he is also a car guy.

12
00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:54,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he has a lot of cars as well.

13
00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:59,360
Speaker 2: And you know, he has more than a dozen really

14
00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:03,640
Speaker 2: cool classic cars he's had.

15
00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:07,199
Speaker 1: He also mentioned his Honda, his nineteen ninety eight Integrat

16
00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:10,000
Speaker 1: that he's got, but also he's got he's owned major cars,

17
00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:14,880
Speaker 1: like very famously in nineteen seventy three. RSR also a

18
00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:18,400
Speaker 1: couple of concept cars by Zaha Hadid.

19
00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:19,760
Speaker 2: That's very cool. So he basically came up with his

20
00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:23,720
Speaker 2: own idea and had someone design a car right and

21
00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:25,520
Speaker 2: then even tried to put it into production.

22
00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:31,840
Speaker 1: That takes a lot of a lot of work. Yeah,

23
00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:32,959
Speaker 1: which I think he discovered.

24
00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,000
Speaker 2: And but he's the kind of guy that like does

25
00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:35,920
Speaker 2: a lot of work.

26
00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,479
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I know, he's very prolific.

27
00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,360
Speaker 2: He's driven. So I'm so a great interview. I'm looking

28
00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:42,200
Speaker 2: forward to playing that.

29
00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:47,520
Speaker 1: Oh you had something very you texted me, Matt, you

30
00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:51,720
Speaker 1: texted me, or no, you sent like an early morning

31
00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,360
Speaker 1: email that was basically I think the subject was for

32
00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,400
Speaker 1: the first time in my life, Yes, do you want

33
00:01:58,400 --> 00:01:58,960
Speaker 1: to discuss this?

34
00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:04,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's interesting. Well, for the first time in

35
00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,360
Speaker 2: my life. If you told me that I could buy

36
00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:12,160
Speaker 2: any brand new car and only have one car, right,

37
00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:13,959
Speaker 2: this is the classic question that people ask if you

38
00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,520
Speaker 2: could only have one car, what would it be? If

39
00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,480
Speaker 2: I were only allowed to choose from things that are

40
00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:23,600
Speaker 2: being produced and sold today, I would buy an electric vehicle?

41
00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:26,160
Speaker 2: What which is.

42
00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:29,560
Speaker 1: This was shocking, shocking to me because we might have

43
00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:33,760
Speaker 1: even been accused of of being hard on electric vehicles.

44
00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:37,040
Speaker 2: Well, I am very skeptical about electric vehicles, and I

45
00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,079
Speaker 2: think for good reason. And this is something we talk

46
00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:44,440
Speaker 2: about with Kenny, which I which was interesting. Yes, but yeah,

47
00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,200
Speaker 2: I also have I'm an older person, right, so I'm fifty.

48
00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:53,360
Speaker 2: I grew up with these gas powered cars. And I think,

49
00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,799
Speaker 2: you know, whatever generation you're born into, when you start

50
00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:00,640
Speaker 2: to realize that you're into interested in cars or you know,

51
00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,880
Speaker 2: art or anything like that, music, you tend to gravitate

52
00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:09,920
Speaker 2: towards that. So I gravitate towards you know, big gas

53
00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:14,080
Speaker 2: motors with a lot of power. I like naturally aspirated engines.

54
00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:20,680
Speaker 2: But I have also a specific use case. Right, If

55
00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:22,440
Speaker 2: I ask you, what's you know if you can only

56
00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:25,880
Speaker 2: have one car, your answer is going to be different

57
00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:26,480
Speaker 2: than mine.

58
00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:28,160
Speaker 1: And I'm also going to say, well what am I

59
00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:28,919
Speaker 1: going to be doing with it?

60
00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:29,440
Speaker 3: Right?

61
00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:31,760
Speaker 1: Because it's all about the right tool for the job.

62
00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,320
Speaker 1: Cars are tools, for sure about.

63
00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:36,720
Speaker 2: I think for each person. Also, there's going to be

64
00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:38,920
Speaker 2: a different tool that you need for if you could

65
00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,080
Speaker 2: only have one tool. Right, This is the yeah question.

66
00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,200
Speaker 1: Life is different. Do you live in Montana? Do you

67
00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:44,000
Speaker 1: live in Manhattan?

68
00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,560
Speaker 2: Right? You live in la You have Willow, you know,

69
00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,040
Speaker 2: You've got whatever you're doing exactly.

70
00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,560
Speaker 1: It's not just about which car I think is the prettiest, exactly.

71
00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,640
Speaker 2: So you know, I'm not going to choose if you

72
00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:01,200
Speaker 2: say you can only have one car. I love the Corvette,

73
00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:02,880
Speaker 2: but I'm not going to choose that because it only

74
00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:06,200
Speaker 2: has two seats and it's not really great for the passenger.

75
00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:07,400
Speaker 1: Either children and.

76
00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:15,200
Speaker 2: Yes, and so anyway, this Mercedes G five eighty, this

77
00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:19,719
Speaker 2: electric G Wagon, just absolutely blew my mind. And I

78
00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:24,359
Speaker 2: went into it incredibly skeptical because because I loved the

79
00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,719
Speaker 2: gas power G and I that was my one car,

80
00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,560
Speaker 2: you know, for a couple of years, and it ticked

81
00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,839
Speaker 2: every box. I needed it too when I lived in Berlin,

82
00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:36,360
Speaker 2: you know, when I was having my first kid, when

83
00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:40,880
Speaker 2: I had my dog. It was the perfect vehicle, and

84
00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,080
Speaker 2: I loved the engine. It was a you know, the

85
00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,520
Speaker 2: most recent G five hundred that I had was a

86
00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:50,240
Speaker 2: twenty twenty. It had the twin turbo four liter V

87
00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:55,920
Speaker 2: eight great burbally sound, you know, went quick. You don't

88
00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,440
Speaker 2: really need this huge top speed there, but I was

89
00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:01,560
Speaker 2: autobond driving, so it has to to go decently fast.

90
00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:07,919
Speaker 1: Let's not forget everybody. I mean, the G Wagon sorry

91
00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,320
Speaker 1: to cut you off, is so popular that for like

92
00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,480
Speaker 1: eighteen months back a couple of years ago, they just

93
00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,600
Speaker 1: stopped taking orders because they were so far behind the production.

94
00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:17,280
Speaker 3: Right.

95
00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,080
Speaker 1: Well, it took me couldn't meet the demand.

96
00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,080
Speaker 2: It took me almost two years to get mine after

97
00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:21,520
Speaker 2: I ordered it.

98
00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:21,960
Speaker 1: There you go.

99
00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:26,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, And of course I love the design because when

100
00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:28,640
Speaker 2: I was twelve years old, I saw one down the

101
00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:32,480
Speaker 2: street and I was just mesmerized by it. And of course,

102
00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:36,440
Speaker 2: you know, the g Wagon has unique characteristics. The door

103
00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,840
Speaker 2: closes in a different way than any other car. When

104
00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,080
Speaker 2: you lock or unlock it with the keyfob, it sounds

105
00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:48,400
Speaker 2: like you're racking shotgun shells into the barrel. So, you know,

106
00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:50,240
Speaker 2: there are things that I like about it that maybe

107
00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,320
Speaker 2: not everyone's gonna like about it. I like the very

108
00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:59,039
Speaker 2: upright driving position. I like the incredible accomplishment they've made

109
00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:02,880
Speaker 2: in terms of v right noise, vibration, and harshness. I

110
00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:06,920
Speaker 2: typically love these kind of yes truck slash cards they tack.

111
00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,840
Speaker 2: I like jeep wranglers. I like Ford Broncos, you know,

112
00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:15,039
Speaker 2: but the problem with those is they're so loud and

113
00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:21,760
Speaker 2: noisy and rattle cages. And this is like in it

114
00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,520
Speaker 2: feels like you're in a safe, like a bank.

115
00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,440
Speaker 1: Vault bank vault. Yeah, completely is. So the whole point is,

116
00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:31,280
Speaker 1: don't change this beautiful, perfect thing that we love, Like, yeah,

117
00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,120
Speaker 1: don't change a thing, And they really haven't since nineteen

118
00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:35,200
Speaker 1: seventy nine pretty.

119
00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,400
Speaker 2: Much pretty much. I mean, there was a twenty nineteen

120
00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,440
Speaker 2: they kind of I think, oh Man made some pretty

121
00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:40,880
Speaker 2: big change.

122
00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,719
Speaker 1: They modernize it. And I will always remember that debut

123
00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:47,760
Speaker 1: in Detroit and that old decrepit theater that they turned

124
00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,400
Speaker 1: into it like a pyrotechnic display with and they got

125
00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,400
Speaker 1: Arnold Schwarzenegger there all right for the debut. It was

126
00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:56,960
Speaker 1: I will always remember that was a big deal because

127
00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:58,039
Speaker 1: the change was a big deal.

128
00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, And a lot of people prefer the older generation.

129
00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,960
Speaker 2: I prefer the newer generation because it drives better. And look,

130
00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:08,680
Speaker 2: I'm not buying this to take off road, you know.

131
00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:13,680
Speaker 2: I'm using it to commute back and forth in urban situations,

132
00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:17,360
Speaker 2: in suburban situations, to go shopping to Yeah, I'll take it,

133
00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,920
Speaker 2: you know, shooting, I'll take it hunting, but it's not

134
00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,000
Speaker 2: that's not the main purpose for me. And also it's

135
00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,840
Speaker 2: an incredibly expensive vehicle, Like I don't frankly think I

136
00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:28,920
Speaker 2: could afford it now that I have kids and live

137
00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,960
Speaker 2: in the very expensive place, but I could at the time.

138
00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,920
Speaker 2: And I wasn't about to like get it damaged by

139
00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,040
Speaker 2: you know, taking it to Moab, although that would have

140
00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:40,840
Speaker 2: been an incredibly far drive from Berlin.

141
00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, all that to say.

142
00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:47,120
Speaker 2: All that to say, I think this electric version is

143
00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:52,080
Speaker 2: actually better than, for the first time, the gas version

144
00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,160
Speaker 2: of this car, and I haven't thought that about any

145
00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,480
Speaker 2: you know. I've driven electric versions, for example, of the

146
00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:02,880
Speaker 2: BMW five series, and while while impressive, I don't think

147
00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:06,280
Speaker 2: it was as good as the gas version. I can't

148
00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:10,320
Speaker 2: think of any car that I've liked the electric version

149
00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:13,080
Speaker 2: better than the gas and I don't typically love you know,

150
00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,200
Speaker 2: I'm not a huge span of Tesla's, for example, but

151
00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:21,360
Speaker 2: this thing is so quick with the EV it's almost

152
00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,920
Speaker 2: six hundred horse power. I think it's five hundred and

153
00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,240
Speaker 2: seventy nine horse power. It has eight hundred and fifty

154
00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:30,040
Speaker 2: nine pound feet of torque, one hundred and sixteen kilowade

155
00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:33,040
Speaker 2: hour battery or that's the usable capacity of the battery,

156
00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,320
Speaker 2: so it has decent range. I was getting like three

157
00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,000
Speaker 2: hundred miles on a charge.

158
00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:39,720
Speaker 1: That's standard industry standard.

159
00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:46,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's just like for for this for some reason,

160
00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,880
Speaker 2: it works so much better for the g than it

161
00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,560
Speaker 2: does for other cars. For example, I didn't like the

162
00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:56,640
Speaker 2: Cadillac IQ the electric version better than the Cadillac with

163
00:08:56,640 --> 00:09:00,640
Speaker 2: the six point. Sorry, the escalade yet escalade yet I

164
00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:04,280
Speaker 2: think that my own personal opinion, the electric version is

165
00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:08,120
Speaker 2: too heavy and I would prefer to have the regular

166
00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:13,319
Speaker 2: GMV eight, especially if it were super charged. And and

167
00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,760
Speaker 2: I think compared to other cars like this, you know

168
00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,679
Speaker 2: SUVs for the it's the right car, it's the right

169
00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:23,280
Speaker 2: tool for me. Right now, I think this is better

170
00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:27,440
Speaker 2: than the range Rover. Now there's not an electric version

171
00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,199
Speaker 2: of the range Rover right there will be, but I've

172
00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,440
Speaker 2: driven the most recent range Rover, I've driven the most

173
00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:37,280
Speaker 2: recent Tahoe Yukon. To me, it's better than those and

174
00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:41,920
Speaker 2: better than the Aston Martin, and it's better than for

175
00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:45,240
Speaker 2: me the Lamborghini Urus. I tread lightly because I know

176
00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:45,680
Speaker 2: you love that.

177
00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do. Well, it's I'm really really happy to

178
00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:53,280
Speaker 1: hear you say that. I'm very very surprised. And I

179
00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:59,439
Speaker 1: think Mercedes was able to pull off the magic trick

180
00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:04,600
Speaker 1: of not changing as much as possible about the G

181
00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,800
Speaker 1: and yet still making it electric, because that's a very

182
00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,000
Speaker 1: fine line to walk. Imagine Corsia trying to electrify the

183
00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,520
Speaker 1: nine to eleven. I mean, you're dealing with something that's

184
00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:20,040
Speaker 1: very iconic. Has It's like if it's not broke, don't

185
00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:23,160
Speaker 1: fix it. And so anytime you approach something like that

186
00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:29,520
Speaker 1: with an electric powertrain and everything that means. I think

187
00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,559
Speaker 1: they did a great job by trying to leave as

188
00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,960
Speaker 1: much as possible unchanged in the G Wagon, and I

189
00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,679
Speaker 1: feel like that's a big reason why it worked.

190
00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,040
Speaker 2: I also think it's a great use case. You know,

191
00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:45,160
Speaker 2: for the nine to eleven, maybe you don't want the

192
00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:49,120
Speaker 2: electric drive train because it's a sports car, But for

193
00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:53,360
Speaker 2: for example, the G Wagon, I've always thought the G

194
00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:57,120
Speaker 2: sixty three was kind of stupid, like what, yeah, because

195
00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:01,040
Speaker 2: what it's a just look, it's a big head brick, right,

196
00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,800
Speaker 2: it's the least aerodynamic thing. It's not so fast, it

197
00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:07,000
Speaker 2: doesn't handle, it doesn't handle like fast.

198
00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:10,960
Speaker 1: It's powerful and you can just crush everything. I just

199
00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:12,559
Speaker 1: felt supposed to be a sports.

200
00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,439
Speaker 2: The regular twin turbo V eight was sufficient.

201
00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:17,840
Speaker 1: That is That's the first time I've ever heard you

202
00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:21,280
Speaker 1: say something that wasn't the most powerful was enough. You're

203
00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,640
Speaker 1: that is so not you don't want I never.

204
00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:26,439
Speaker 2: But I just think for for this, for this, for

205
00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:28,600
Speaker 2: this house, it's a moving house, right, what.

206
00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,079
Speaker 1: You're saying moderation is just fine for you it's.

207
00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:35,640
Speaker 2: Just it just felt like that was overkill. And you know,

208
00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,240
Speaker 2: I can't remember the price differential, but it's like adding

209
00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:40,760
Speaker 2: at the time I bought mine an extra forty thousand

210
00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:45,360
Speaker 2: dollars on an already fairly unaffordable vehicle, it just seemed silly.

211
00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:49,880
Speaker 2: And so but for me, the electric powertrain is that

212
00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:51,959
Speaker 2: is perfect for this big moving brick.

213
00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,880
Speaker 1: Yes, and I will I will take the opportunity to

214
00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,880
Speaker 1: to brag a little bit and say that I was

215
00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:01,559
Speaker 1: the first American journalist to drive this vehicle in twenty

216
00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,080
Speaker 1: twenty three. And the reason why I bring that up

217
00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,320
Speaker 1: is because I drove it in Austria off road on

218
00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:13,920
Speaker 1: extremely steep dirt and rock and shale and gravel, and

219
00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:20,480
Speaker 1: it was incredible. And I'm talking like inclines of forty

220
00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:24,120
Speaker 1: percent incline and it was great. I mean, the only

221
00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:27,559
Speaker 1: thing that I can think about it being an issue

222
00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,200
Speaker 1: is where you're going to plug in your g wagon

223
00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:31,120
Speaker 1: out in the middle of nowhere.

224
00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:32,959
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, out in the middle of nowhere. That's a

225
00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:34,239
Speaker 2: good point, true.

226
00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:37,120
Speaker 1: That's the one thing. But I remember in Austria talking

227
00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,080
Speaker 1: about how and this is very European, but you know,

228
00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,600
Speaker 1: of course, Mercedes is like, there's a use case here

229
00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:46,280
Speaker 1: for people who do use the g wagon's off road,

230
00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:50,920
Speaker 1: either for hunting or for photography, or for simply not

231
00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:57,200
Speaker 1: wanting to disturb animals. And this sounds so funny, but

232
00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:01,480
Speaker 1: I literally remember driving past rabbits in the forest in

233
00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:05,000
Speaker 1: Austria and they they it didn't disturb them, and that

234
00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:08,960
Speaker 1: was really cool. And I obviously it's a very obscure

235
00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,400
Speaker 1: use case for it, but there is a legitimate use

236
00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:14,840
Speaker 1: case for that too, So that was very cool to see,

237
00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:16,040
Speaker 1: right in sense.

238
00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,120
Speaker 2: I also thought about, you know, my experience with charging

239
00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:23,040
Speaker 2: hasn't been good, but I haven't been charging at home,

240
00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:27,640
Speaker 2: and so for example, with the Escalade, I had to

241
00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:31,080
Speaker 2: go find a place. It took over an hour to charge.

242
00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:33,880
Speaker 2: It costs one hundred and eleven bucks for that. I

243
00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,600
Speaker 2: think it was fifty five minutes. Actually it's a little

244
00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:41,120
Speaker 2: less than an hour, And you know, that kind of

245
00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,520
Speaker 2: left a bad taste in my mouth. But of course,

246
00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:45,800
Speaker 2: if you buy one of these vehicles, and as EV

247
00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:49,000
Speaker 2: owners can attest to, you're gonna install a level two

248
00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:52,120
Speaker 2: charger in your garage. And the truth is, I'm not

249
00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,360
Speaker 2: often driving more than three hundred miles not even often

250
00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,120
Speaker 2: driving more than one hundred, one hundred and fifty miles

251
00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:01,080
Speaker 2: in a day, even if I go hunting, you know,

252
00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:06,120
Speaker 2: which for me is an hour away up in Millbrook.

253
00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:10,920
Speaker 2: I just don't need enough range to have to charge

254
00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:13,400
Speaker 2: and then you get home, plug it in your garage,

255
00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:15,760
Speaker 2: when you wake up in the morning, it's fully charged again.

256
00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,679
Speaker 1: Completely. So there's something Yeah, sorry.

257
00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:21,440
Speaker 2: Go ahead, No, I'm just you know, of course you

258
00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,400
Speaker 2: take longer trips, and for most people you don't only

259
00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,760
Speaker 2: have or for people listening to this podcast, unlikely that

260
00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:30,880
Speaker 2: they only have one car. But even if you did

261
00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:32,840
Speaker 2: only have this car to take a long trip, I

262
00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,960
Speaker 2: don't think it's that bad. If I drive to Ohio,

263
00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:37,960
Speaker 2: which is where you know I typically drive because I'm

264
00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,280
Speaker 2: from the great state of Ohio, the most fantastic place

265
00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,760
Speaker 2: in America. You know, I would have to charge probably

266
00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:47,840
Speaker 2: twice like Max, and it wouldn't be the worst. Yeah,

267
00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,400
Speaker 2: So I don't think that that's really a terrible argument

268
00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:53,560
Speaker 2: against it. I will say that this so we had

269
00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:55,200
Speaker 2: an email from someone who asked me to compare it

270
00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:56,640
Speaker 2: to other cars, which is why I said, I like

271
00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,200
Speaker 2: it better than all of those other Tahoe Yukon escalid

272
00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,240
Speaker 2: range over Lamberge, asked Martin. I will say that I

273
00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:05,200
Speaker 2: haven't driven every car, right, I haven't driven, for example,

274
00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,400
Speaker 2: a Portie Kayen since twenty nineteen.

275
00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:09,520
Speaker 1: Neither to be honest.

276
00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, well didn't you You guys just drove one.

277
00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:15,160
Speaker 1: To Colorado that was That was a Macon.

278
00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,840
Speaker 2: Oh all right, Well, I remember in twenty nineteen being

279
00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:22,320
Speaker 2: blown away by the new generation Cayenne, and I imagine

280
00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:24,640
Speaker 2: it is still an amazing vehicle.

281
00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not. I don't think they've changed it still,

282
00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:27,920
Speaker 1: but I don't.

283
00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:33,280
Speaker 2: Think it's as unique in America x LA as a

284
00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:37,280
Speaker 2: G Wagon, right, because even in New York it's pretty

285
00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,400
Speaker 2: unique the g Wagon eight, Yeah, you think, And it's

286
00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:44,120
Speaker 2: a different feel than the Cayenne that I remember. Although

287
00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:46,440
Speaker 2: the Kayan is an amazing vehicle, I will also say

288
00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:48,360
Speaker 2: that I loved the I did drive the OUDI SQ

289
00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,360
Speaker 2: eight and I loved it, really liked it a lot.

290
00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:52,440
Speaker 1: What did you like about that?

291
00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,840
Speaker 2: For me? The SQ eight? You know where the where

292
00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:59,560
Speaker 2: the G Wagon is like an upright box, you know

293
00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:03,680
Speaker 2: that put too high and you know, makes you feel

294
00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,160
Speaker 2: like you're doing something adventurous, even if you're commuting or

295
00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:11,840
Speaker 2: going to shop. Right, the Audi SQ eight was more sleek.

296
00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:16,360
Speaker 2: It was more of a sports car feel in an suv.

297
00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,880
Speaker 2: I liked the center stack, I loved the engine obviously.

298
00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:24,160
Speaker 2: I love the design of the Q eight in general.

299
00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,240
Speaker 2: I think Audi knocked it out of the park with

300
00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:28,160
Speaker 2: that when they first put it out ten years ago,

301
00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:33,240
Speaker 2: and it still looks perfect. But yeah, I think if

302
00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:35,440
Speaker 2: I had to choose any car, it would be this.

303
00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:38,640
Speaker 2: And again that has to do with my use case,

304
00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,400
Speaker 2: it has to do with my history. But I think

305
00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:45,920
Speaker 2: the main headline is the the EV powertrain works for

306
00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,040
Speaker 2: me better in this than the gas powertrain did.

307
00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,480
Speaker 1: Wow, that's amazing. And I think the price on this

308
00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:52,120
Speaker 1: was what one?

309
00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:56,600
Speaker 2: No, it's way more. No, Yeah, the G five to eighty,

310
00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:58,240
Speaker 2: I think it's one sixty seven.

311
00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:04,040
Speaker 1: Well, it's not way more, Okay, it's mid I.

312
00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:07,840
Speaker 2: Think for most people unaffordable. Right, it is very expensive.

313
00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:11,680
Speaker 2: It's forty grand more than it was when I bought

314
00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:16,920
Speaker 2: it in twenty twenty. The gas version, Yeah, and I'm

315
00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:22,120
Speaker 2: going up. It's just like it's beyond my reach. I'll

316
00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:24,600
Speaker 2: say that as anything more than a test vehicle.

317
00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:28,040
Speaker 1: But honestly, I totally agree with you for those who

318
00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:31,040
Speaker 1: can afford it. It's such, it's great. It's really, really

319
00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:34,040
Speaker 1: really good. I really I liked it then I like

320
00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:35,159
Speaker 1: it now, As.

321
00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:38,639
Speaker 2: Faris Bueller says, if you have the means, I highly

322
00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:39,760
Speaker 2: recommend kicking one.

323
00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:44,359
Speaker 1: Up great and I should say too. Look, this show

324
00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:46,760
Speaker 1: is not meant to be a car review show. We

325
00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,959
Speaker 1: have lots of car reviews online on Bloomberg dot com

326
00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:54,040
Speaker 1: written by wah and I really encourage you to read

327
00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:57,360
Speaker 1: the actual review of these vehicles. This is banter. This

328
00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:01,800
Speaker 1: is our colloquial conversation of it. So please dive into.

329
00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,720
Speaker 2: Yes, go read Handed's reviews. She reviewed this when she

330
00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:08,520
Speaker 2: was the first American journalist to drive it in the

331
00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:09,840
Speaker 2: Shekel proving grounds.

332
00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:12,199
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not I'm not a bragger, but I

333
00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:14,879
Speaker 1: am going to lay down that street cred because I

334
00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,120
Speaker 1: was really excited to drive it, because I, like you,

335
00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:21,720
Speaker 1: was very skeptical and I went in thinking this is

336
00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,680
Speaker 1: just gonna be like holding my nose, thinking that there's

337
00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:25,560
Speaker 1: no way this can be good.

338
00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:27,879
Speaker 2: By the way, I was skeptical of your review for

339
00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,240
Speaker 2: the last two years. Right, you came back and you

340
00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,200
Speaker 2: were like, it's amazing, It's perfect. Yes, And I she.

341
00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:34,480
Speaker 1: Has no idea what she's talking about.

342
00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,240
Speaker 2: Well, I was like, yeah, you were in Austria in

343
00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,720
Speaker 2: the mountains with the CEO of Mercedes.

344
00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:43,359
Speaker 1: So yeah, that Oh my gosh, Matt, that just made

345
00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:47,440
Speaker 1: my day And that makes me so happy. That makes

346
00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,320
Speaker 1: me because I look, I'm not going to force my

347
00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:54,760
Speaker 1: opinions down to any on anybody. It's it's it take

348
00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:55,520
Speaker 1: it or leave it.

349
00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:55,800
Speaker 3: You know.

350
00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:59,360
Speaker 1: But it's really nice to hear that. You can see

351
00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:00,200
Speaker 1: what I was saying.

352
00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:02,879
Speaker 2: Okay, I just want to so a little correction. The

353
00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:06,520
Speaker 2: base price is one sixty one five Okay, all right, okay,

354
00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:09,639
Speaker 2: you know that's bass. So as soon as you start

355
00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:12,639
Speaker 2: to add, the one I have and I'll post it

356
00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:16,359
Speaker 2: on Instagram is the signature Midnight Blue that has seven

357
00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:17,960
Speaker 2: thousand dollars already.

358
00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:19,760
Speaker 1: Oh I bet that was so good.

359
00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:23,919
Speaker 2: Look it's beautiful, it's perfect. It's like as understated as

360
00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:26,359
Speaker 2: a g Wagon can be, you know, because it's not

361
00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:27,200
Speaker 2: a shiny material.

362
00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:31,919
Speaker 1: No. I certainly have people in my life who will

363
00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:36,320
Speaker 1: go unnamed, but multiple people who really like make fun

364
00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:40,119
Speaker 1: of my appreciation for the g Wagon and also as

365
00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:43,960
Speaker 1: evidence that somehow it's not a valid vehicle. They point

366
00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:45,600
Speaker 1: to some people who.

367
00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:47,760
Speaker 2: Drive it, the Kardashians.

368
00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,040
Speaker 1: Well, and by the way, I'm not naming names. I

369
00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:54,240
Speaker 1: mean I'm a big Kardashian fan. For the record, I

370
00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,480
Speaker 1: find them fascinating and a cultural study. But that's a

371
00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,600
Speaker 1: different discussion. But you can't blame a car on who

372
00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:01,720
Speaker 1: drives if the car is great. The car is great,

373
00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:02,080
Speaker 1: I know.

374
00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,199
Speaker 2: But and we should do an episode on, you know,

375
00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:08,000
Speaker 2: the people who stereotypically drive cars, because in Berlin also

376
00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,640
Speaker 2: it was seen immediately as like a drug dealer's car,

377
00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:13,480
Speaker 2: a mafia car.

378
00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,359
Speaker 1: And I wanted to do something about that with Maserati's

379
00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,879
Speaker 1: in the UK, because there's a certain contingent who drives

380
00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:24,000
Speaker 1: a Masarati and I would love to do that story,

381
00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:25,920
Speaker 1: but I don't know if I can get away with it.

382
00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:30,720
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's a minefield, true, It's just a minefield.

383
00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:35,120
Speaker 2: It's an hr issue probably and maybe a classist thing

384
00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,440
Speaker 2: as well. Terrible in any way. In any case, let's

385
00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,200
Speaker 2: get to by the way, speaking of the UK, because

386
00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,399
Speaker 2: he spent a lot of time there speaking of banter,

387
00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:45,240
Speaker 2: because he did a lot of that with us.

388
00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:47,240
Speaker 1: Oh that's fascinating, guest.

389
00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,520
Speaker 2: Let's get to Kenny shafter Kenny.

390
00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:51,720
Speaker 1: It's so nice to have you here. Thanks for coming

391
00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:53,760
Speaker 1: coming down a bit. Although I think you kind of

392
00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:55,080
Speaker 1: live in midtown.

393
00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,480
Speaker 3: Right, I live four blocks await you both welcome to

394
00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:59,879
Speaker 3: come and visit. I live, thank you, literally four blocks

395
00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:00,600
Speaker 3: away from here.

396
00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:01,480
Speaker 2: That's excellent.

397
00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:03,960
Speaker 3: I didn't even have an excuse to drive, that's for sure.

398
00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 2: Four blocks. I will tell you something. When I lived

399
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:12,399
Speaker 2: in Berlin, I lived on Dora Teestrasa, which my house

400
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,480
Speaker 2: was I think less than four blocks away from our office,

401
00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,720
Speaker 2: and yet I would ride my motorcycle to the office

402
00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:21,480
Speaker 2: almost every day just because I need to hear the

403
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:22,679
Speaker 2: sound and you know.

404
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 1: The ritual. Yeah, it's your thing.

405
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:28,360
Speaker 3: I figured you were a hardcore motorcycle person. It is

406
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,480
Speaker 3: true from seeing some of your reportage in the past.

407
00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:36,000
Speaker 2: It is true. But I love cars. Also, what about you?

408
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,879
Speaker 2: What are your big interests? Where does it center?

409
00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:43,359
Speaker 3: Well, there's note. I have a multitude of different things

410
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:48,320
Speaker 3: that I'm I'm obsessed with, ranging from I mean, I

411
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 3: don't mean to kiss up to you guys, but Bloomberg

412
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 3: is among.

413
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,320
Speaker 1: Let's discuss this, okay, So what do you mean when

414
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:54,960
Speaker 1: you say that.

415
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 2: You watch TV?

416
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,919
Speaker 1: This is a rarity this is a rarity, okay.

417
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 3: So first I could just say I'm an artist, I'm

418
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 3: a professor, teacher sounds less pretentious, and an investigative journalist

419
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 3: for the art world about the machinations of the art market.

420
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:15,199
Speaker 3: And we will get into cars in a second, but

421
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,399
Speaker 3: cars will my gateway drug to art. But as a

422
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:23,360
Speaker 3: journalist and ask someone who's contemporary art is a reflection

423
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 3: of the social, political, economic and technological times we live in.

424
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 3: And for me reading the news newspapers, I'm fanatical about newspapers.

425
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 3: I lived in the UK for fifteen years and there's

426
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 3: ten daily newspapers and they have magazine supplements, all of

427
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:46,680
Speaker 3: them on both Saturday and Sunday. But black to I mean,

428
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 3: I get the chills coming in here and walking through

429
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:50,880
Speaker 3: this building. And as far as I'm concerned, I'll start

430
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,199
Speaker 3: with the beginning. The first thing you see when you

431
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 3: go through the revolving door is art. So the combination

432
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 3: of all loved my passion sort of converge right here.

433
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 3: All that's missing was a car or six in the

434
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 3: art saturated lobby. And someone said, you guys, Someone said,

435
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,880
Speaker 3: you guys have great snacks, but it's more like meals.

436
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,920
Speaker 3: But seriously, if you had like a couple of great

437
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 3: classic cars interspersed throughout the art, that could be a

438
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 3: pre When I was being ushered into this room, the

439
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 3: woman said, who was kind enough to come and fetch me?

440
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 3: I was looking at this sculpture and she said, Oh,

441
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,920
Speaker 3: I don't know what that is. I've been thinking about

442
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 3: this for so long. Is it to deaden the sound?

443
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,920
Speaker 3: And I'm like, I told you that it's a sculpture.

444
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,919
Speaker 3: And then she said, you're sure it's not serving some

445
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 3: purpose for acoustics, and I'm like, no, no, no, you're

446
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 3: not listening. It's art. Art doesn't have a purpose. But

447
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 3: for me, back to Bloomberg, I love the news because

448
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 3: for me, I get inspired by the news for my

449
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:59,640
Speaker 3: writing and my teaching and my art making. So I'm

450
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,919
Speaker 3: actually writing about Bloomberg in my latest article, which is

451
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 3: on artnet. And if you want to watch the news today,

452
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 3: the only objective context within which to see anything that's

453
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 3: going on in the world is on Bloomberg. Every I

454
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 3: remember twenty five years ago, I'm significantly older than the

455
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 3: both of you, when you were able to watch the

456
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 3: news and remarkably see the news, not someone's opinion about

457
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 3: current events, and you go to CNN, BBC, MSNBC, Fox,

458
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 3: they all have positions that are established before they even

459
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 3: start reporting, and that to me is not the news.

460
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:47,679
Speaker 3: That's an agenda. And if anything, we live in a

461
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't even believe there's communism anymore. Pretty

462
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,199
Speaker 3: much everyone is capitalist and if anything is going to

463
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,959
Speaker 3: affect the world, you'll see the first hiccup in the

464
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 3: markets and the only And so by watching Bloomberg, you

465
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,719
Speaker 3: get to take the temperature of what's happening, not just

466
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,199
Speaker 3: in the markets, but in the world. So for me,

467
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 3: literally again, I'm I'm not looking. I'm not submitting my

468
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 3: resume for a job, although I would certainly at least

469
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,199
Speaker 3: take an internship for a week or two. But sometimes

470
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 3: I even sleep with Bloomberg gone.

471
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 2: Well right here, you know, So you could ask by

472
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 2: the way, I agree, and I think about this a

473
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 2: lot in that I don't know if we don't have

474
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 2: an opinion in terms of you know, the anchors, the reporters,

475
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 2: the broadcasters, but money doesn't have an opinion, right, Financial

476
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 2: markets don't have a political view. So through that lens,

477
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 2: you can really see an unbiased take on what's happening.

478
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 2: I want to center in on the art thing though,

479
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 2: because I have never paid enough attention to the art

480
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:54,959
Speaker 2: that we have here. So for people who haven't been

481
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 2: to seven thirty one Lexington Avenue, when you come in,

482
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 2: there's a row of wooden sculptures that to me look

483
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 2: like cocoons. I don't know what they are. And then

484
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 2: when you come up, before you get on our circular escalator,

485
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,919
Speaker 2: which is the only I have heard curved escalator in

486
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 2: the Western hemisphere, you see this massive sculpture of what

487
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 2: I believe is a thundercloud.

488
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 1: It's like hammered from the sixties.

489
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 2: It looks like so cool. And then you've got these

490
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 2: lights that I always tell people that's Mike's DNA, but

491
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 2: I don't know what it really is. So what do

492
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 2: you think about the artwork that we have?

493
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 3: I mean, look, when you see a car, most people

494
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 3: who like classic cars respond to cars they first took

495
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 3: note of when they were a kid twelve thirteen, fourteen,

496
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 3: and it moves you. You have an emotional response. So

497
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 3: you just mentioned something about these wooden sculptures. I don't

498
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 3: I didn't have a chance to glance. I asked the

499
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 3: I actually asked the reception person who made them, and

500
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 3: he mentioned there was a label. I did know the

501
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 3: artist who's from Africa, Ellen Suey, who did this giant

502
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 3: bottle cap tapestry from found objects on the streets of

503
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 3: I believe, Nigeria. And your first impression about what this

504
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 3: cloud sculpture was was amazing because that's quite accurate in

505
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 3: terms of the intent of the artist. But the beauty

506
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,199
Speaker 3: of art is that it's your sense of what you

507
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 3: respond to, how you respond to it, you bring something.

508
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 3: I mean, I think the great thing about art is

509
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 3: the ambiguity and the viewer finishes the equation. Art can't

510
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 3: exist in a vacuum, so it's self expression, but it's

511
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 3: a means of communication, like through my art and my

512
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 3: love of cars. I'm sitting here talking to both of

513
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 3: you and it's extraordinary for me because, like I said,

514
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 3: I'm a fan of Hannah. I've watched your reporting for

515
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 3: quite a long time, both of you, and I'm really

516
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 3: appreciative and love it. So, yeah, it's a convergence of

517
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 3: all the things I like. So for me, art was

518
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:11,439
Speaker 3: a way to Yeah, it gives me solace and it

519
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 3: gives me. It imbused my life with meaning. It gives

520
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 3: me purpose. I love to communicate and I love to

521
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 3: help people and facilitate opportunities for other artists.

522
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 1: Kenny, I'm very surprised you said that cars were my

523
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: gateway drug to art. I would have thought it was

524
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: the other way around. Actually, well about that a therapy session. Yeah,

525
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: that is really backwards from what I would have guessed.

526
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 3: Well, I don't want to get too deep into.

527
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: The home, weet, we could go there.

528
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 3: Do you have a couch you can lay down? So

529
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 3: I grew up only seventeen miles from where I'm sitting.

530
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: To island, right, Yes, but it.

531
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 3: Could have been seventeen light years away because I was

532
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 3: in the suburbs and it was kind of generic. There

533
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 3: was no I didn't know what an art gallery was

534
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 3: until I was well into my twenty and my mother

535
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 3: passed away when I was young, and my father wasn't

536
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 3: terribly supportive, to be kind, and I sort of was

537
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 3: a recluse, And I created this universe for myself to

538
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 3: entertain myself. And it was through magazines from like National Geographic.

539
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 3: That was a gift to me, like it often is

540
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 3: for young kids to rode in track and car magazines

541
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 3: and first and foremost, I was never athletic. I mean,

542
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 3: the reason I never shut up now is I stuttered,

543
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 3: so I had a speech impediment for a good long time.

544
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 3: And cars, it's the industrial design of cars. I'm terrible

545
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 3: at sports. I don't watch F one or any other football, soccer, baseball,

546
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 3: but I love the design of cars, and for me

547
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 3: in this my sweet spot because of my age, I

548
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 3: guess and when I grew up. Cars from I mean

549
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 3: the seventies are the great unsung decade because I think

550
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 3: there's one full designs from then. But I love cars

551
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 3: from the seventies and eighties up to the nineties, when

552
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 3: there was more kind of consideration, less homogination of the

553
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 3: design and the way things were. And yeah, I have

554
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 3: a very non hierarchical approach to art cars esthetics, and

555
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 3: I think anything done with passion, like the design of

556
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 3: a great car from that period or any period. There's

557
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 3: still great cars being made, just significantly less of them.

558
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 3: But I think I don't differentiate from something that's done

559
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 3: well extraordinarily with this kind of deep seated passion, And

560
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 3: on that basis alone, I don't differentiate between a Picasso,

561
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 3: a chair or a spoon or a car. I used

562
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 3: to live with three cars in my office, including one

563
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 3: under my desk, which, oh god, I've had. I've had

564
00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 3: too many to mension. But I love Lancia Lancia. Can

565
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 3: I have a long Island accent? Lancha, You'll have to

566
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 3: part in my accent. I love I have a nineteen

567
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 3: seventy Lancia Fovia fanelone I have. I mean, I have

568
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 3: a garage. The reason I rented and then later was

569
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 3: able to buy the place I live in was that

570
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 3: it had a garage. I mean it was decrepit, it

571
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 3: had mold, but it had a garage. Most significantly, lots

572
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 3: of wall space and light, all the significant things that

573
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 3: moved me so, which is.

574
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 2: By the way, no small feet in New York. I mean,

575
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 2: finding a place with a garage around here is difficult,

576
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 2: even if you live in the suburbs. It's just there

577
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 2: isn't a lot of space.

578
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 3: No, what scares me a little bit to get all

579
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 3: over the place. But I have three kids, and when

580
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 3: I think about the relationship of kids both to art

581
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 3: and to cars, is a little worrisome to me because

582
00:31:54,880 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 3: I find that kids are looking for other experiences today

583
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 3: when it comes to cars. They just get get a

584
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 3: car service. I don't want to drop the names of

585
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 3: any of those horrific companies by that.

586
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: Seven what's that dial? Seven? Yeah, that's my favorite.

587
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 3: Seven seven seven seven seven. But anyway, So for me,

588
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 3: when I was a kid, especially in the suburbs of

589
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 3: Long Island, isolated, alienated, a car was this symbol of

590
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 3: getting away, primarily from my family, from home, independence, hitting

591
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 3: the road and exploring. And it had this and through culture,

592
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 3: through film, through books, it had this incredible kind of

593
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 3: aura to the notion of jumping and getting your license.

594
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 3: I used to I lied to my parents for a

595
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,719
Speaker 3: year that I had a permit permitted you to drive alone,

596
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 3: rolling the station wagon out of the driveway, to go

597
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 3: to nightclubs when I was sixteen, all of that stuff.

598
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 2: It just do you really think that kids? I heard

599
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 2: today Constellation Brands had earnings and earns report they're a

600
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 2: liquor and out callmaker, and they said that gen Z

601
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 2: isn't as interested in alcohol, and I thought, that isn't

602
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 2: really true.

603
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: For sure, that's true, And I'll tell you a stat

604
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: there was more alcohol sold in one day at Stage

605
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: Coach than there was in the entire Coachella two weekends,

606
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: and we know the age difference of the people going

607
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: to stage coach Also, I can tell you my DJ

608
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: friends are complaining that they're not making the bar their

609
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: bar tab sales at the club because no one's drinking, and.

610
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 2: Well, they're gonna need alcohol sooner or later, right, I said,

611
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 2: I have three children.

612
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 3: Maybe my kids are an anomaly, I can say, but

613
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 3: they seem to have quite a nice relationship with booths.

614
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 2: So I wonder if one day they'll like be interested

615
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 2: in cars as well, because they must want some sort

616
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 2: of freedom. Okay, they're city kids, right.

617
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 3: Well we I mean we lived in London, and London

618
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 3: is one of the most extraordinary core cultures. It's amazing.

619
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 3: Like in art, there are certain cultures that have a

620
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 3: kind of uh a deep seated appreciation and and relationship

621
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:12,399
Speaker 3: to art, like Switzerland, Germany, America is humongous, China has

622
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 3: been emerging, Korea is fantastic. And at the same time,

623
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 3: like if you buy a classic car in certain jurisdictions,

624
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 3: like say Italy, it's more usual than not that you're

625
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 3: gonna get zero history. For me, a car like a

626
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 3: piece of art, the provenance, the depth of the documentation

627
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 3: that that is associated with this vehicle tells the story.

628
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 3: It's telling you a narrative story that for me, I

629
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 3: treasure those documents.

630
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: Do you approach collecting cars the same way that you

631
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 1: approach collecting art? Is that the same comparison or wildly different?

632
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 2: Does it matter who owned a painting or a sculpture

633
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 2: or are you kidding?

634
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 3: That's that's that's the value of the owner. Like when

635
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 3: you're an emerging artist, I'm old, but I make art

636
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 3: and I haven't because I've done so many disparate things,

637
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 3: from selling art to curating art. I never, like I said,

638
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,399
Speaker 3: I never took an R class in my life until

639
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 3: I was teaching one. I'm completely self taught, and I've

640
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 3: written books on it for MIT, and I've taught at

641
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 3: Harvard and Yale and Columbia and teach now at the

642
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 3: University of Zurich. But when you're nuts abouts it's an obsession.

643
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 3: It's almost like a disease. So, I mean, I had

644
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 3: a bad experience with the classic car where I don't

645
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 3: really know if I can handle the dealing with that

646
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:34,399
Speaker 3: issue right now.

647
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: You don't want to bring it up in nineteen seventy three,

648
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: must too. No, we don't, we don't have to.

649
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 3: It took me five years to get over this, this

650
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 3: this situation. But I always say with the collector having

651
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 3: no money is no impediment to buying something. And you

652
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:57,760
Speaker 3: could tell a hardcore, serious collector of something when they'll

653
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 3: find a way. So right now I'm looking at nineteen

654
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 3: ninety three Porsche nine sixty what is it? A nine

655
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 3: to sixty eight club sport which I like kind of

656
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 3: raw hom alligation cars that were made for some racing,

657
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 3: mostly rallies or some racing series. And by statute you

658
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 3: have to ham aligate five hundred cars into regular production,

659
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 3: often at a loss for the manufacturer to qualify for

660
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 3: certain race series. And I like cars at a different

661
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 3: unique and have a kind of rawness to them that

662
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 3: are unusual and really you get a visceral. I mean,

663
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 3: there are certain cars where you can you can feel

664
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 3: a cigarette butt on the street in your butt when

665
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 3: you're driving it. Princess and the pee, yeah exactly, which

666
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,280
Speaker 3: I love. I want that pee to be in my tuckest.

667
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 3: But like for me, collecting is collecting and again like

668
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 3: I once you get like I was looking at car

669
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 3: sites like bring a trailer in the lobby waiting to

670
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 3: be picked up. And the first websites I look at

671
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,720
Speaker 3: every morning. I have Bloomberg on the on the computer

672
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 3: running the live broadcast, watching you and I give you

673
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 3: a bunch. And then I'm looking at art net, where

674
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 3: I write it's like there's a Classic driver which they

675
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 3: just did a piece on this Japanese market. Uh, Integra

676
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 3: type R that I have and uh. And then I

677
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 3: look at piston Heads, which is which is a great

678
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 3: British site, this sports car market, and there's octane. They're

679
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,919
Speaker 3: just for me. I don't differ again, It's this kind

680
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 3: of very democratic, non exclusionary way of approaching everything. I

681
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 3: treat everyone with respect and dignity. Forthright. My articles are

682
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 3: a bit provocative, get me into quite a bit of

683
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 3: trouble because I have an opinion and I try to

684
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 3: tell the truth as much as I can, and people

685
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 3: can't really tolerate that.

686
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 2: Speaking of oh wow, that's so financial celebrities looks.

687
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 3: See, this is how I judge a good piece of

688
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 3: art or a good experience. The hair stands up on

689
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 3: my arm like a child and up my back. I mean,

690
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 3: it's you.

691
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about that, you know, writing

692
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: writing about the art world, and you know, writing things

693
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: that make people uncomfortable. And I know I've I of

694
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: course have read your column and read interviews with you,

695
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: and I think one time you describe the art world

696
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: as a mafia and as rather mean spirited at times,

697
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: and I was curious how you find the car world

698
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: and as you move through the car world, speaking truth,

699
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:43,720
Speaker 1: how is your experience comparing to moving through the art world.

700
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 3: That's amazing question. I've written for Ferrari magazine and for

701
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 3: Classic Porsche magazine in the past, and I find, Yeah,

702
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 3: I never said I'm not a mean person, and I'm

703
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 3: deeply committed about my field, and I don't want to

704
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 3: I don't want to cause any anguish to anyone. But look,

705
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 3: the art world is let's say, it went from being

706
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 3: the high of a year with sixty eight billion now

707
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 3: it's around. It's had a bit of a it's kind

708
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 3: of like the Japanese economy. It's been in a bit

709
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 3: of a systematic downturn. And the car market, I mean

710
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 3: for the car market for new vehicles is like two

711
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 3: and a half trillion dollars, but for classic cars it's

712
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 3: about half The art market about thirty billion. So again

713
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 3: back to economics, which again I never studied, but I'm

714
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 3: a great fan and student of. There is a zero

715
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 3: sum mentality when the like a technology company makes the

716
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 3: amount of money that the art market or the car

717
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 3: market makes in a year at lunchtime, and because the

718
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 3: opportunities a much slimmer and more fought after, tooth and nail,

719
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 3: one person's gain is that the calculable, measurable loss of

720
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 3: somebody else who's wants the same thing. So everyone, if

721
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 3: you ask anyone on the street three questions like what

722
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 3: do you think is the most dishonest rife with corruption field?

723
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 3: Art and cars would probably be among the top two

724
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 3: anregulated but I don't even think you know, there's a

725
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 3: great financial writer for the Ft, which Bloomberg and the

726
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 3: Ft are my two favorite vehicles.

727
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 2: I also love the ft.

728
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 1: Will allow it, We will allow it.

729
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 3: Their arts coverage is fabulous, It's extraordinary on the weekend,

730
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 3: it's amazing. And yeah, so I think, wait, what was

731
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 3: the question?

732
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: The question was, you know if the art world, Oh yeah, sorry, yeah,

733
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 1: how does art world compare to the things world? As

734
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,879
Speaker 1: you sort of infiltrate and say things that make people

735
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: uncomfortable and maybe expose some of the things that are

736
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: not that are held in the shadows.

737
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 3: Well, like I had back, I think that the only

738
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:08,320
Speaker 3: thing worse than art and cars combined would be crypto.

739
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 3: That's really the last bastion of a state of nature

740
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:17,439
Speaker 3: where anything goes. It's it's veiled in anonymity and there's

741
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,720
Speaker 3: a lot of room. But like it's back to cars.

742
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 3: Like for any financial transaction, there was a great study

743
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 3: by Georgina Adam who writes for the used to write

744
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 3: for the Ft, still does a bit. And there's one

745
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 3: hundred and sixty five laws that are applied to any

746
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 3: commercial transaction like buying a painting or buying a car.

747
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 3: There has uniform commercial codes and various statutes that are

748
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 3: applicable in terms of comers and doing a transaction. You

749
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 3: have can't be fraud, they can't be misrepresentation, and all

750
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 3: of these basic tenets of commercial laws. So it's a misconception.

751
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 3: It's a misconception that cars and motorcycles are for boys

752
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 3: and technology is for guys more than women. I mean,

753
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 3: I have always made an effort, got concerted effort, for

754
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 3: decades to work with people. I'm a human being, and

755
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 3: I want to have a cross section of people in

756
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 3: the projects that I foster. I bought bought in soul

757
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 3: cars from women and people from all stripes and all

758
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 3: and all places. So I just think that, look, the

759
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 3: problem AI is not going to destroy civilization. People. The

760
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 3: car industry is not any more dishonest or the art

761
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 3: business than any other field. The problem is people. People

762
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 3: are going to screwing things up. There are certain leaders

763
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 3: in the world right now, there are certain wars like

764
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 3: in the Middle East and in Ukraine and now Indian Pakistan.

765
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 3: It's super alarming situations.

766
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 2: Hope that doesn't kick off.

767
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,280
Speaker 3: I mean, it seems that we're in the first round

768
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 3: defensive posture.

769
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: Now.

770
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 2: I'm hoping it doesn't.

771
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 3: No, I pray it doesn't, because we can't four two

772
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:05,240
Speaker 3: nuclear arm countries facing conflagration. But I just think people

773
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 3: need to have more respect for each other, a little

774
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,240
Speaker 3: more kindness and generosity of spirit. And there's a Bell's

775
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 3: curve of morality, and I think it's just innate to people,

776
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 3: to human beings, to be dishonest when there's money on

777
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 3: the people.

778
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 2: So all right, I want to talk about it's interesting

779
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,280
Speaker 2: to me. Then I think of your three main interests

780
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 2: as financial news and economics, art and automotive, But the

781
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 2: latter two in a sense are the same, right. I mean,

782
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 2: if I look at a GTO, that's to me a

783
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,879
Speaker 2: work of art worth just as much, if not more

784
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 2: than you know the irises. But the difference is you

785
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 2: can drive the gto right, and so it's not just

786
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 2: about looking at it from all different angles. Operating it

787
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 2: is a thing that you can't do with most artworks. Right,

788
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 2: So how do you feel about actually driving these cars?

789
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 3: Okay? I have a response surprising enough? How do you

790
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 3: store one hundred and fifty cars very expensively? It is?

791
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 2: Yes?

792
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 3: How do you store one hundred and fifty paintings in

793
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 3: a freeport? In a warehouse? They call them freeports? Course,

794
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 3: they're like autonomous city states.

795
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 2: Oh I saw Tenant?

796
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 3: America has one, Switzerland as many, Singapore has some.

797
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 2: Did you see Christopher Nolan's Tenant?

798
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 1: No?

799
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 2: Oh okay, Well they have freeports there. That's where kind

800
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 2: of some of the action happens in that movie.

801
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 3: A lot a lot of I would say, the owner

802
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 3: of this network has a freeport with a locust. When

803
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 3: you collect RD you can't there's no threshold to being finished.

804
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 3: You're never finished. Although Ralph Lauren was asked, what's the

805
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,760
Speaker 3: next car you're going to add to his illustrious car collection,

806
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 3: and he said, I have them all, But that strikes me.

807
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 2: People don't. But what you can, I guess you don't

808
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 2: think cars at the free right.

809
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 3: Oh, they'll keep anything out of freeport.

810
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 2: You just have to have space, a.

811
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 3: Lot of space and a lot of money. So I

812
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 3: think in the art world they always bandy this term

813
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 3: around late capitalism, and I was like, I don't know

814
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 3: what that means. And then I was thinking, one day

815
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 3: people buy cars they don't drive. Aren't they keeping storage

816
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 3: wine they don't drink, jewelry they don't wear, and houses

817
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 3: they don't live in, And to me that smacks of

818
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 3: late what late capitalism would be.

819
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 2: But surely you must do the same. I mean, you

820
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 2: just can't drive so many cars. And there's some vehicles

821
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:40,720
Speaker 2: that you must want to look at and smell and see,

822
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:44,320
Speaker 2: but maybe you can't experience driving it that much. Maybe

823
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 2: like a kuntash, you know, it's just not as much

824
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 2: fun to drive as it is to look.

825
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,959
Speaker 3: Keep going backwards in that car, you have to hang

826
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 3: out of the car. Yeah, it's going reverse is the challenge,

827
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 3: but yeah, it's one hundred percent true. You only have

828
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 3: one butt to stick on a car seat, and you

829
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 3: only have so much waalth space and one set of

830
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 3: eyes to look at your art. And I agree. I mean,

831
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,879
Speaker 3: I want to move to Switzerland, where I'm where I'm

832
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 3: teaching and spend I love to spend time there. And

833
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 3: I was in the Engadine, which is this region of

834
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 3: the mountains, so I was there for two months. I'm

835
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 3: dying to find a way. And why do I want

836
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 3: to live there? Because I'm such a New York City

837
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 3: is coursing through my circulatory system. I love the energy,

838
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:36,240
Speaker 3: the aggression, all of it, and the congestion of extraordinary

839
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 3: people and art and culture and everything.

840
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 2: I like to drive, and especially in the.

841
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 3: On the only exercise that I could tolerate. I'd never

842
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 3: been to a gym, thank god. I don't like jog

843
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 3: because I can't run because forget it, too much wear

844
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 3: and tear. And swimming, so I could find places to

845
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 3: swim in various like public pools that are all over

846
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 3: in every little town. And I love to drive, so

847
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,439
Speaker 3: I literally want why do I want to move there.

848
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 3: Besides the fact, in this Engadine region there's thirty plus

849
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 3: galleries in the fifteen kilometer range and five museums all

850
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 3: within fifteen kilometers of Ponchasina, the town that I just

851
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 3: spent time in. But that's pretty much where I want

852
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 3: to gear up to spend the rest of my life

853
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:29,399
Speaker 3: and then come back here and dip in.

854
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 2: You can teach art at the Litsam Alpinam, which is

855
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:39,240
Speaker 2: a boarding school in Suats. It's about twenty kilometers outside

856
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 2: of Saint Laura.

857
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 3: Very well.

858
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and great roads to drive on, art sculptures all

859
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 2: over the place.

860
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 3: Amazing. Yeah, do you know anyone there?

861
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people there.

862
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm Dawn. Maybe I wanted to know.

863
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: How do you know people there? You want to give

864
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 1: us some insight?

865
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,240
Speaker 2: Well, a lot of people in my family went to Suats.

866
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 3: It's amazing.

867
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:01,240
Speaker 2: And one of my best friends I grew up, Rhdi Grigory,

868
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 2: his family is from sue Us.

869
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I did not know his family is.

870
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 3: Yeah.

871
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 2: So I go there a lot and.

872
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 3: They have great they have great car car show. They

873
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 3: have this amazing thing in sam Maurritz on the lake

874
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 3: Frozen Lake and they drive some of the most extraordinary.

875
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 3: I saw them craning in in old two seventy five

876
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 3: Ferrari into a hotel in Samritz and they have like

877
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 3: driving on ice. But it's back to the schools I met.

878
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 3: I befriended this Iraqi architect who's one of the most

879
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 3: profound human beings I've ever met in my life. Saha Hadid.

880
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 3: One of the things that really moved me was that

881
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 3: she did a factory in Leipzig for BMW. What she

882
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,399
Speaker 3: did was so extraordinary and I don't think it's ever

883
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 3: been equalled. The conveyor belt goes through the executive offices

884
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 3: and the cafeteria of the factory. So I like to

885
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 3: sort of like you know, in this building in Bloomberg,

886
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 3: everything is c three.

887
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 1: Transparency is important when you're dealing with financial markets one

888
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:05,800
Speaker 1: hundreds of paramount.

889
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 3: So I did I bring transparency to the art market,

890
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 3: and people freak out because one of the things that

891
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 3: draws people to crypto and to art is the secrecy

892
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 3: and the veil of like opaqueness.

893
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 1: Didn't Zaha make some concept cars for you, Kenny, so

894
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:21,879
Speaker 1: I tell us about those.

895
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 3: You don't have to wind me up much to spew on. Sorry,

896
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 3: I want to hear more about you too. It's way

897
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 3: more interesting than.

898
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 1: We get to ask you all the I've got I've

899
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: got along list.

900
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 3: So I was in awe of this this woman, and

901
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 3: I'm not an architecture fan, but again, I love industrial design.

902
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 3: She designed this factory, She did the swimming stadium for

903
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 3: the Olympics in the UK, and I became super close

904
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:50,879
Speaker 3: with her just because I was in awe of her

905
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 3: mental prowess. People would run across the street to say

906
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 3: how she inspired them to follow various pursuits in their

907
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 3: life that they felt uncomfortable with. So I started working

908
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 3: with her firm. I was interested in maybe doing a

909
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 3: small building project with her, but I could barely function

910
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 3: in my own business. I'm the worst business person. She

911
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,359
Speaker 3: passed away. Women didn't have to work twice as hard

912
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 3: in that field. She worked five times as hard. She

913
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 3: worked herself to death. But I had asked her only

914
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 3: partner who's taken over the business, to design a car

915
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 3: for me because I'm so fanatical. I never told her

916
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 3: because I was scared of her. She has this notorious personality.

917
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 3: So I got her firm to design a prototype vehicle,

918
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 3: which was three wheels and it would drive upright in

919
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 3: the city and on acceleration it would recline for better aerodynamics.

920
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 3: And it was hydrogen based and we made a one

921
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 3: to one scale model. And as they say in the UK,

922
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 3: I blagged my way into getting a free berth like

923
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 3: in a car show in Excel in London, and the

924
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 3: architecture practice made me a whole booth and a stand.

925
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 3: It was so cool. So I ended up getting reviewed

926
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,240
Speaker 3: an Orto car by Richard Bremner, who's a brilliant writer

927
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 3: Great Magazine. And then I got a teaching gig at

928
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 3: the Royal Academy of Art in the Vehicle design department,

929
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 3: among the best. So I gave one lecture and it

930
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 3: was wonderful. The kids really loved it and I was

931
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 3: so engaged. It was so exciting. Then I did a

932
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 3: joint lecture with Frank Stevenson who was designing for Ferrari

933
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 3: and Maserati, and then I tried to produce the car.

934
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 1: To sell.

935
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they say the fate. I know Gauntlet is

936
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 3: the surname. I know the son Richard Gauntlett, but his

937
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 3: dad famously Victor Gauntlet. He was owned Aston Martin and

938
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 3: he said, you want to make a small fortune in car,

939
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 3: start out with the big one. And I spent two

940
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 3: years researching. I went to puk in Austria, various kit

941
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 3: car manufacturers to make a chassis, and I just thought,

942
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 3: I can't even like, I can't even do my own job.

943
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 3: How am I going to do that anyway? So like

944
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 3: then Zaha cornered me in the parking lot and started

945
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 3: screaming at me, how could you engage my partner without

946
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 3: telling me? And then we became the best of friends.

947
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 3: But I also the second time we did a four

948
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 3: wheel version, because I was trying to produce it. And

949
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 3: then I went to the back to the Royal College

950
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 3: and they were ripping me apart. They were like, this

951
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 3: looks like every prototype we've ever seen. There's nothing but

952
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,760
Speaker 3: it stands up. Yeah, and it could possibly be sold,

953
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 3: and they just and then the fire alarm went off

954
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 3: and I was like, thank God, goodbye, see you later.

955
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 3: I just ran by the belt.

956
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 2: I would be remiss if I didn't mention the transparent factory,

957
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 2: because we're talking about industrial design and the transparency of Bloomberg.

958
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 2: Folkswagen has this transparent factory in Dress and the Glazerona

959
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 2: Manufactur and that's where they made the Phantom, uh, the

960
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 2: Phaeton sorry, and that's where they made some Bentley flying

961
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 2: continental flying spur. But it's a completely see through factory

962
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 2: so that the Germans do these things and their cultures.

963
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 2: You're right, design not just for use, but also for

964
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 2: esthetics or for I don't know the feeling, and I

965
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 2: guess we just I would say, you don't do that

966
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 2: as much except I'm sitting in a building with this

967
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 2: incredible courtyard.

968
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 3: And because the entrepreneur that runs this business is a

969
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 3: paradigm shifter, he creates his own I love people that

970
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 3: are self wrought that I don't believe in luck. I

971
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 3: think you create your own destiny. And someone like Michael Bloomberg. Again,

972
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 3: I'm not kissing up to you guys, although I'm going

973
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 3: to hand you my resume when I leave. But like

974
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 3: it's he's someone who like he couldn't find what he

975
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 3: wanted when he started in terms of having I mean,

976
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 3: he became like a noun, like a Bloomberg device, a screen.

977
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 3: It's become like I often say, like if you want

978
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,359
Speaker 3: to know, if you want to trade Andy Warhol, you

979
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 3: have to put your nose against the Bloomberg screen for Warhol,

980
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 3: and that's all you have to do every single day,

981
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 3: twenty four hours. So I love and just the way

982
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 3: he He's on the board of many museums and institutions,

983
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 3: and he converges his interest and he does so in

984
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 3: a way where I wish he was president. And I mean,

985
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 3: they talk about American exceptionalism. I think that's kind of

986
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 3: really depressing because and also like America is great, America

987
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 3: is the best. That's absurd. Go to Italy. I went

988
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 3: to Ghana to do a piece for GQ. Go to

989
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 3: any country and they're all extraordinary. Now everyone's poo pooing

990
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 3: like globalism. That's the whole beauty of being in art

991
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 3: and cars is because you get to intermingle with people

992
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 3: from all walks of life, in all different cultures and

993
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 3: to learn from them. So yeah, I love all of

994
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 3: that stuff and I love to co mingle. My life

995
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 3: is so short. I always say to my students, don't

996
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 3: listen to me, don't listen to your family, certainly not

997
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 3: your teachers. But you have to make look at the

998
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 3: two of you a living like a perfect kind of

999
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 3: example of following your interest in the extreme and making

1000
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 3: it your life, your vocation.

1001
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 2: This is my best self when I'm with Hannah, though,

1002
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 2: you know I feel the same.

1003
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 3: And I.

1004
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 1: Just had this conversation with somebody yesterday where they were

1005
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 1: saying their life wasn't they expect what they expected? And

1006
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: I said, my life is exactly what I expected. Actually,

1007
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 1: like looking back, there was every moment, even at low moments,

1008
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 1: underneath it all, I was still really happy and really like, yeah,

1009
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 1: this is it. This is it. Every single day. I mean,

1010
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 1: everything in my life has built up to where I

1011
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:33,720
Speaker 1: am now, which is what I always wanted to be doing.

1012
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 1: It's I mean, yes, I totally agree with you, Kenny.

1013
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 1: I think if you don't like your life, change it.

1014
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 1: And I know that's such a trite thing to say.

1015
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 2: But I want to get I want to get back

1016
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 2: to cars here And wait.

1017
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: A second, I think I was getting on my soapbox.

1018
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 2: I'm so happy, I'm happy for you, but I want

1019
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 2: to I saw some interesting stats today and when you

1020
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 2: mentioned nationality and cars, I think it's so interesting. When

1021
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 2: I first started visiting plants in Detroit, and you both

1022
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 2: may know this, but not everyone does. There's some parking

1023
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 2: lots where they don't allow foreign cars to park. So

1024
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 2: even if you work at you know, this Ford plant,

1025
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:12,800
Speaker 2: you're not allowed to park a Honda there. You have

1026
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 2: to park somewhere else. And today I saw something really surprising.

1027
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 2: No car maker imports more cars from overseas than General Motors.

1028
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 2: They import more cars to the US selling the US

1029
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 2: than Toyota or Nissan or Honda. And another interesting stat.

1030
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 3: I would sell my shares, then.

1031
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 2: They're gonna have a lot of problems. No car maker

1032
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 2: exports more cars from the US to other countries than BMW.

1033
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:46,280
Speaker 2: They export more cars from here is probably than Ford,

1034
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 2: than GM than Stilantis. And that just makes me think

1035
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 2: about the fact that is it really an American car?

1036
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 2: Like I bought a Chevy truck and I bought a

1037
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 2: Dodge Challenger. The truck was made in Mexico. Thenger it

1038
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 2: was made in Canada. And yet people walk to my

1039
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 2: house and they say, oh, you have two American cars? Right?

1040
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 2: But that simple I digress. What do you find any

1041
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 2: American cars interesting or good? Because you say you started

1042
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:15,760
Speaker 2: getting into like seventies, eighties, nineties, So is there stuff

1043
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 2: that you love from America as opposed to from Italy

1044
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 2: or from Germany or from Tokyo.

1045
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 3: You know, by the way, the CEO of Ford had

1046
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 3: a bid car, a BYD Chinese car. Yes, you get

1047
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 3: like three hundred grand worth of car for thirty thousand dollars.

1048
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 2: We've had him on this podcast gym.

1049
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 3: Way, Oh my god, that's so cool.

1050
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 2: He was really obsessed with the Oh my god, I

1051
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 2: paled to that guy with the with the kind of

1052
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 2: hybrid what do you call the kind of hybrid car

1053
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 2: where the engine just charges the battery.

1054
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 3: He invented like a five minute that increases the range

1055
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 3: of an electric motor. He's a battery maven.

1056
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 2: So but what what do you like in terms of

1057
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 2: like nationalities you like? You mentioned the Launchia right, but

1058
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 2: do you like any American cars?

1059
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 3: Yeah? I just number one. I think like a Vettes.

1060
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 1: Yes, really cool, thank you, criminally underrated.

1061
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 3: Yes, and I mean you look at them today and

1062
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 3: I always my first impression is what ferrari is that

1063
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:13,959
Speaker 3: they look insane. So you get a lot of bang

1064
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 3: for your bucks, you.

1065
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 2: Know, beautiful. And by the way, they just changed the

1066
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 2: interior and got rid of that waterfall of control buttons

1067
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 2: that goes down the center stack. No, I'm not I

1068
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 2: love those buttons.

1069
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: I think they heard the people. The people spoke, but

1070
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: then you go and get an older car.

1071
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 3: And by the way, like, I know you love motorcycles.

1072
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 3: I would have a motorcycle in my living room if

1073
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 3: I was into it.

1074
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 1: Well, that brings up a question I have that I

1075
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 1: went on.

1076
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wanted to hear of you, like any American

1077
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 2: Corvette is the only one vet.

1078
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 1: But here's a question that's philosophical in nature. Yeah, I know.

1079
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 1: Is it is it equally valuable to enjoy a car

1080
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 1: that you don't drive or a motorcycle that you don't drive? Like,

1081
00:58:56,280 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 1: is that so in your mind? As a quote unquote guy,

1082
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 1: is that of equal standing?

1083
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 3: I have to say, I'm always contradicting myself every sentence,

1084
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 3: so I remember every It was the biggest adventure when

1085
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 3: we were living in London and I was taking my

1086
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 3: kids to school every day, was is the car going

1087
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 3: to break down? From a nineteen thirty nine lands Here

1088
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 3: Prila to a Series one XJ six with the manual transmission.

1089
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 3: I had a Delta into Graale that broke down on

1090
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 3: the bridge, and like the British have this crazy do

1091
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 3: it yourself meant pull yourself up by the bootstraps mentality

1092
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 3: where the kids don't wear winter jackets. And I went

1093
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 3: out to push the car with all the kids in it,

1094
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 3: and some bicycle dude got off his bike and pushed

1095
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 3: me across the bridge single handedly and told me to

1096
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 3: get back in the car.

1097
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 1: Nice.

1098
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, I think I think some are

1099
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:50,479
Speaker 2: I think, I.

1100
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 1: Asked because in the car world there's certainly more credibility

1101
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 1: given to you know, if you drive the car.

1102
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 3: If you don't drive it, it's gonna it's going to

1103
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 3: fall to pieces.

1104
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 1: But as an artist, can't you appreciate.

1105
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 3: I was driving my kid to school in an old

1106
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 3: seventies Porsche and I said, doesn't it look great inside?

1107
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 3: And he goes, yeah, it's such a minimalist dash And no,

1108
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 3: I said no. In my office garage, where there's no

1109
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 3: crazy drive, no bikers spitting on me, no stone chips,

1110
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 3: no crazy people. I mean, it's amazing that you don't

1111
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 3: get retested to drive a car and you could be eighty.

1112
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 3: I had some guy who was well into his eighties

1113
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 3: who slammed into the back of a rear motored nine

1114
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 3: to eleven, and that's no joy.

1115
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 2: I think you have to have driven to use it.

1116
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 2: I think it's okay. So for example, you have to

1117
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:43,439
Speaker 2: use it. I'm putting now at Dukati in my living

1118
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 2: room and perfect. I spent a couple of decades riding it.

1119
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 2: I'm getting to I don't like to fold myself up

1120
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 2: that much anymore, and so I loved driving it, but

1121
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 2: now it's a little uncomfortable and I just want to

1122
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 2: look at it.

1123
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 3: But you put out time, and it's if you like again,

1124
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 3: if you buy a painting and you shove it in

1125
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 3: and you never take it out of the crate. I mean,

1126
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 3: I'm such a car addict. That's I've done stuff like that.

1127
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 3: But that's criminal. And what I like about cars and bikes,

1128
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 3: if you don't drive them, you have to pay. There's

1129
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 3: a price to be paid because unless you lube it

1130
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 3: up and drain the fluids out, the rubber is going

1131
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 3: to run. So the disuse of these vehicles causes discernible

1132
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 3: damage to their.

1133
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 2: True Well, we have that discussion here a lot because

1134
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 2: Hannah and Magnus buy high mile cars and I I

1135
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 2: have a bad habit of looking for low mile vehicles.

1136
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 2: But now I've been thinking, wait, do I really want

1137
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 2: to buy you know something that's ten years old and

1138
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 2: only has six hundred miles on it, Like, that's not

1139
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 2: going to work as well as something that has sixty

1140
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 2: thousand miles on it, because at least I know that

1141
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 2: they were using it.

1142
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 1: And taking low mile stuff. I'm always like, oh, I

1143
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 1: guess it wasn't that great to drive.

1144
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 3: I like, I don't want six hundred miles, but I'll

1145
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 3: take twenty to thirty five. I like low mileage cars

1146
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 3: with the full history but have been used.

1147
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:00,919
Speaker 1: There's a sweet spot in there as long.

1148
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 3: As there's regularly service with the spark plugs change and

1149
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 3: the oils change. But I have this Honda Integra type bar.

1150
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 3: I think there's forty thousand miles. That's ninety eight. It's

1151
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 3: one of the rawest what I had back surgery because

1152
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:17,479
Speaker 3: I was lifting sculpture and I blew my disc into

1153
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 3: my spinal cord and I was nearly paralyzed and I

1154
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 3: was rushed into emergency surgery. And when I got out

1155
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 3: of surgery, my foot moved, but my legs still didn't move.

1156
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 3: And from the hospital bed, I bought the Integra, thinking

1157
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 3: I could always lift my leg and stick it in

1158
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 3: the car and press the gas.

1159
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, it's terrifying when you're in that situation.

1160
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1161
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 2: I almost lost a leg in a motorcycle accident. And

1162
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 2: the first thing I started to do when I came

1163
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 2: to four days later, it was, oh my god, googling

1164
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 2: how I could ride a motorcycle with only one leg. Oh,

1165
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 2: you know, because when.

1166
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 3: You win, I think I really liked the boat of

1167
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 3: you more than before.

1168
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 1: Wow, I didn't.

1169
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 3: Know that, Oh my god.

1170
01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1171
01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 2: Luckily my mom my mother came and convinced them not

1172
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 2: to amputate, and now my legs work fine, and I.

1173
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 3: Could walk fine and drive the cars. And wow, that's crazy,

1174
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 3: that's insane.

1175
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 2: So what about so you you like these more eclectic vehicles,

1176
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 2: the LAUNCHA, the Integra, right, I guess the RSR. Anyone

1177
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 2: would want that. But what are your favorites? Is there

1178
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 2: is there any that you think like? That is an

1179
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:32,200
Speaker 2: iconic masterpiece and I have to have it.

1180
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 3: Many but a two point a poorest two point seven

1181
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 3: RS Lightweight, which was only made for one year. And

1182
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 3: it's funny because there was I like, I called the

1183
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 3: seats in a car the furniture. So I bought a

1184
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:47,760
Speaker 3: Renault Turbo one based on the based on the seat.

1185
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 3: It had the craziest car seat I think I've ever seen,

1186
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 3: or certainly among the most. I even made furniture out

1187
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 3: of out of out of one of them. Literally I

1188
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 3: put a base on it and put it into my house,

1189
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,440
Speaker 3: and the heart you think, I'm totally out of my

1190
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 3: gourd crazy. But the hardware to move the seat, which

1191
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 3: is like a little pringle, It's like a little potato

1192
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 3: chip in the rus that just the two point seven

1193
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 3: RS is the everyday supercar race car that your grandma

1194
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 3: could drive it. You could do the grocery, you could see.

1195
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 3: You don't have to lie down to drive it, like

1196
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 3: your motorcycle, except you're going the other way and it's

1197
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:27,440
Speaker 3: a and you could turn it on unlike most ferraris

1198
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 3: after nine months and it'll fire right up. So I

1199
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 3: think the hardware is like this long elongated screw and

1200
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 3: in the middle of the screw is this round nut

1201
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 3: that's sort of flat on both sides, and I never

1202
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 3: quite figured out how it even works, but it was

1203
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 3: just a piece of sculpture. It was wild. So I

1204
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 3: love that. And yeah, that's probably my favorite of all

1205
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 3: cars because it just ticks all the boxes. It's fast,

1206
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 3: it's raw. No one knows if it's twenty grand or

1207
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:58,120
Speaker 3: significantly more. So, it's not pretentious and no one wants

1208
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 3: to key you just for being you, I think. And

1209
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 3: then yeah, like, I mean it could. It looks like

1210
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 3: every other Porsche from.

1211
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:13,200
Speaker 1: The error totally, totally. It looks like we get you, dude,

1212
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 1: we get yeah. Very and also it looks quiet luxury.

1213
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 3: You could make a replica, which I hate, and I

1214
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 3: hate people that like pre date post date, after dating.

1215
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 2: Really you don't like backdating or I.

1216
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 3: Don't like singer, I mean you can't.

1217
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 1: This is the truth.

1218
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 3: I don't care. I don't care if you modify something,

1219
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 3: but don't put your fie name on it because you

1220
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:35,920
Speaker 3: didn't make it. It's a Porsche, don't put Gimbala on it.

1221
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 3: Or I mean, roof is probably the greatest. They are

1222
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 3: roof poor, so for six million dollars, I think it's

1223
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 3: a super cool car. They are like the one exception,

1224
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 3: there's always an exception, but otherwise, like if something is great,

1225
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 3: it was when. I mean, the Germans can't even engineer

1226
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 3: things terribly well anymore. Unfortunately, there's a lot of issues

1227
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 3: infrastructurally in that country.

1228
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm although I guess the car I'm

1229
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:01,920
Speaker 2: driving right now is all and what is that technique?

1230
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 2: It's the Mercedes G Wagon, the G five eighty and

1231
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:08,640
Speaker 2: it's I will say listeners will have heard this already.

1232
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 2: It is the first time that I have ever wanted

1233
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 2: an electric version of a car more than a gas

1234
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 2: version of a car. And I didn't think I was

1235
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 2: going to because I had inn Well, no, it's made

1236
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 2: by Magna steyr In.

1237
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 3: They were originally Pook or something.

1238
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:28,440
Speaker 2: I think Hannah knows the relationship there, but they were.

1239
01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:33,880
Speaker 2: So I just think this is a perfect.

1240
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 3: Vehicle, every dynamic.

1241
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 2: Of the cars on sale today, of the cars that

1242
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 2: are made now, this is the one if I could

1243
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 2: only have one, that I would buy. And it's shocking

1244
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 2: to me because it's amazing.

1245
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 1: That is the motorcycles. How do you feel about this?

1246
01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 1: How do you feel about it?

1247
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 3: Okay, so I'll say something that will make me no friends,

1248
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:53,960
Speaker 3: I hate electric cars.

1249
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 1: I don't.

1250
01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:58,280
Speaker 3: I've never driven one, and I would like to feel

1251
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 3: instant acceleration. I don't. Once the key turns, I lose interest.

1252
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 3: So the guy that helps me with all my cars,

1253
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:07,480
Speaker 3: he's brilliant, and he still works with me in various

1254
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 3: other capacities now that I'm not living in the UK.

1255
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 3: And he was so frustrated that I didn't know what

1256
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 3: a carburetor was, torque and all of these different things

1257
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:19,120
Speaker 3: that he bought me a model kit to build my

1258
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 3: own transparent engine. It remains in the box and I

1259
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:25,440
Speaker 3: love it unused, but when it comes to okay, so

1260
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 3: I love a classic Mini. For me is the greatest

1261
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 3: epitome of all design. It appealed to wealthy people and

1262
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 3: not wealthy people, and it was affordable and coveted by all,

1263
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:42,480
Speaker 3: and it was the first piece of truly like democratic

1264
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:45,800
Speaker 3: industrial design. And to drive it is as much joy

1265
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 3: and pleasure, especially if it's supercharged, and as any car

1266
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:55,800
Speaker 3: worth one hundred times more. But electric cars, the lead batteries,

1267
01:07:56,920 --> 01:08:00,920
Speaker 3: the plastics, the shelf life of these bats. If you

1268
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:04,120
Speaker 3: scrap all the teslas in the world, even before he

1269
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:07,600
Speaker 3: wielded a chainsaw and became I mean, I guarantee you

1270
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 3: that whole doage thing will cost the US government more

1271
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 3: than anything. But I won't get there. But like if

1272
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:18,519
Speaker 3: you get a small engined car and preserve older cars,

1273
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:22,559
Speaker 3: you will add significantly to the to the longevity of

1274
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:24,600
Speaker 3: this planet.

1275
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:26,960
Speaker 1: No argument for us and this, yeah, I mean, I

1276
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 1: say it all the time. If you want to save

1277
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:32,519
Speaker 1: the planet, stop buying new things, start using what's already great.

1278
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 1: I stopped consumer My.

1279
01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:37,440
Speaker 3: Pants are from the nineties, vintage polyester.

1280
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:41,400
Speaker 2: We agree with you on those things always we agree

1281
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:43,720
Speaker 2: with you on those things. But we also are in

1282
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 2: this business. We're test driving new products all the time.

1283
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:51,000
Speaker 2: So that's why that's why I say, of new products

1284
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:54,320
Speaker 2: that are currently produced, if I could only buy one,

1285
01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 2: this would be it, because I think it's really the

1286
01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 2: Swiss Army Knife of all vehicles out there.

1287
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 3: You can't buy a Iron or a Ferrari in a manual,

1288
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 3: like they say.

1289
01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:05,280
Speaker 2: It's crazy. I don't know why Ben yet, I don't

1290
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:09,200
Speaker 2: know why Vinya does that, or why his predecessors have

1291
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:11,080
Speaker 2: done that. Why would Ferrari not want to.

1292
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 3: Make I tried to do it and there was an uproar.

1293
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:15,719
Speaker 3: But if I make sense, I have such a short

1294
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:18,439
Speaker 3: attention span, it does. People don't. They don't, kids stay,

1295
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 3: they don't know.

1296
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 1: They say they they say they want a manual. But

1297
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 1: the take every automaker says, the take rate is less

1298
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 1: than one percent, but.

1299
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 2: Not just manual. Why so, I've said this a million times,

1300
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:30,559
Speaker 2: But if I were the CEO of Ferrari Benedetovina, I

1301
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:33,639
Speaker 2: would say, We're going to make one vehicle. We make

1302
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 2: so many different models. We're gonna make one model that

1303
01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:39,960
Speaker 2: has no screens in it, that has all analog gauges,

1304
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:43,760
Speaker 2: that has a stick shift, that has a handbreak, that

1305
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:48,479
Speaker 2: has mechanical steering or hydraulic assists, not a computer, no

1306
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:52,240
Speaker 2: throttle by not by wire but actually by a wire.

1307
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:54,519
Speaker 2: You know, so, I don't even know they did away

1308
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 2: with handbreaks.

1309
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:56,840
Speaker 1: You can buy that. It just happened to be made

1310
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty.

1311
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:00,800
Speaker 2: I know they could make one and they could charge

1312
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 2: five million dollars for it and it would fly off

1313
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 2: the shop.

1314
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:05,320
Speaker 3: I had a Geneta, I had a Caterum. I had

1315
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:07,080
Speaker 3: my attention sp What.

1316
01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 2: Do you think of the cater I'm only interested in that.

1317
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 3: That's the That's basically, that's the the There's only a

1318
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 3: hair that separates a caterm from a motorcycle, if you

1319
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:19,280
Speaker 3: want to. I went to the nurburg Ring. By the way,

1320
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:21,880
Speaker 3: I'm the worst driver. I forgot to mention that my

1321
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:25,360
Speaker 3: attention span is like a fly unless I'm crazily engaged.

1322
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 3: So the reason I can only drive manuals is because

1323
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:30,320
Speaker 3: otherwise my mind will wander and I'll just drive into

1324
01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 3: a wall. It makes me pay attention. I even lost

1325
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:35,519
Speaker 3: track of where I was on the nurburg Ring because

1326
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:38,599
Speaker 3: there's seventy six turns. But I had a friend who

1327
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:41,360
Speaker 3: had a D Type in all these fancy pansy cars,

1328
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:43,680
Speaker 3: and I had a Caterum and an old beat up

1329
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 3: Dino that I traded for Mitsubishi. But anyway, Yeah, so

1330
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:53,120
Speaker 3: they say the best security device anti theft device for

1331
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 3: a car is a manual transmission. And if you you

1332
01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:59,720
Speaker 3: just nailed it, if they made a manual Ferrari, it

1333
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 3: would become the most collected car of its time. But

1334
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 3: you're right. You're both right, because Hannah, you're right. They've

1335
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:12,000
Speaker 3: done studies and even in Europe, even in England, people

1336
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:14,960
Speaker 3: are not buying manual cars. It goes back to where

1337
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 3: we started. Kids just don't have the same visceral relationship

1338
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:22,360
Speaker 3: to the automobile. I mean, I guess motorcycles. I don't

1339
01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:23,440
Speaker 3: know about the scope.

1340
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:26,640
Speaker 2: Of the motor The motorcycle sales have been disastrous. It's

1341
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 2: not good, very cool, So an incredible conversation. We're gonna

1342
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:33,040
Speaker 2: have to have him back.

1343
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:35,759
Speaker 1: He needs to be a regular. He's basically our neighbor,

1344
01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 1: and he is.

1345
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:40,360
Speaker 2: And it's easy to jump from topic to topic with him.

1346
01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 1: There's a lot to digest there. There's a lot to digest.

1347
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:45,000
Speaker 1: And I also think we need to talk about his

1348
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 1: actual house. I saw that it was featured in the

1349
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:49,680
Speaker 1: New York Times and like an architectural art.

1350
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:52,200
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, New York magazine, right, yeah, exactly.

1351
01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 4: Yes, I actually went to his house yesterday, did so

1352
01:11:56,360 --> 01:11:59,720
Speaker 4: after the interview. Yes, we were both leaving Bloomberg and

1353
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:01,840
Speaker 4: I was like, dude, you said you've never driven an

1354
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:05,240
Speaker 4: electric vehicle, and I have this g wagon here, like,

1355
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:07,160
Speaker 4: do you want to drive it back to your house?

1356
01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:08,680
Speaker 2: And he did it.

1357
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:12,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was so that was his first ever EV experience.

1358
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:12,599
Speaker 2: I guess.

1359
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:14,760
Speaker 1: So we need to have him back on and hear

1360
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:15,280
Speaker 1: what he thought.

1361
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:17,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't really tell me what he thought because

1362
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:19,920
Speaker 2: he was just so excited about having been on. And

1363
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 2: also it's only three blocks away from I love.

1364
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:25,479
Speaker 1: I mean, it's very nice having a Bloomberg fan on.

1365
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:28,320
Speaker 1: I didn't actually realize he was really such a fan

1366
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:30,519
Speaker 1: of Bloomberg, the man and the business.

1367
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:32,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was crazy. I was kind of glad Mike

1368
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:32,759
Speaker 2: wasn't here.

1369
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:34,479
Speaker 1: Because he oh, that would have been overwhelming.

1370
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:37,640
Speaker 2: And Mike Bloomberg sits right outside this podcast studio and

1371
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:41,040
Speaker 2: he would have been like stalkersh if he'd seen him.

1372
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:43,719
Speaker 2: But uh, yeah, so very cool. What have you got

1373
01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:45,400
Speaker 2: coming up this this weekend?

1374
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:48,599
Speaker 1: Is you know what? I'm actually working on the book

1375
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:50,479
Speaker 1: a bit. I don't think we've really talked about it,

1376
01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:53,520
Speaker 1: but I'm working on a coffee table book with my husband, Magnus,

1377
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:58,479
Speaker 1: So we're we're well underway to working on that. So

1378
01:12:58,520 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 1: I'm doing that.

1379
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:01,599
Speaker 2: And this is a book of his car collection.

1380
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:06,519
Speaker 1: Yes, Magnus is top twenty Porsche builds of his own

1381
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:10,080
Speaker 1: personal over the years. Nice, and it's going to feature

1382
01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 1: amazing photographs by a lot of really notable photographers. Each

1383
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:19,559
Speaker 1: chapter is about a different car with dozens of photos.

1384
01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 1: It's going to be three to four hundred pages. It's

1385
01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:25,400
Speaker 1: going to be a really substantial, really beautiful and in

1386
01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:29,600
Speaker 1: depth book about Porsche's So I'm really excited about that.

1387
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:30,880
Speaker 1: It's going to be a lot of work, but we're

1388
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:32,000
Speaker 1: really excited about it.

1389
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:34,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I look forward to reading it.

1390
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:37,840
Speaker 1: Thank you. I look forward to having you read it.

1391
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:40,320
Speaker 2: And then I'll see you back here, same time, same place,

1392
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:40,640
Speaker 2: next week.

1393
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 1: Shoot us an email, yes, hot pursuit at Bloomberg dot net,

1394
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:50,639
Speaker 1: And we really do appreciate every email, whether you're telling

1395
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:52,679
Speaker 1: us about the cars your own, or telling us about

1396
01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:54,840
Speaker 1: what we got wrong or what you want us to

1397
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:57,040
Speaker 1: talk about in the future. We do read and appreciate

1398
01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:57,719
Speaker 1: every email.

1399
01:13:58,200 --> 01:13:59,599
Speaker 2: Have a great week on Matt Miller.

1400
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:06,320
Speaker 1: I'm Hannah Elliott and this is Bloomberg m