WEBVTT - 10 Years of Fried Egg Golf 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:02.760 I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset. When 0:00:02.800 --> 0:00:04.920 I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset. 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:07.200 And when I find my ball in a brid egg. 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:11.080 Friday egg, the dreaded Friday Friday, Frida Egg Egg fridagg 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:13.239 bride egg Lie, I'm about ready to run off of 0:00:13.280 --> 0:00:14.080 the hump course. 0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:41.320 Welcome back to the Friday Golf Podcast. I am your host, 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:47.280 Andy Johnson. Today marks our ten year anniversary as a company. 0:00:47.960 --> 0:00:53.560 On December ninth of twenty fifteen, I sent the first 0:00:53.840 --> 0:00:58.280 Friday Golf newsletter. I wrote it on December eighth while 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:02.920 I was at my previous employer. It basically did nothing. 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:06.280 And I had come up with this idea. I you know, 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:10.240 I got great advice years ago, and I had this idea, 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:14.480 and I had met my friend Andy Mack, who's a 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:21.440 Chicago area entrepreneur, very good junior and a junior player 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:24.600 and played at University of Illinois, and he had started 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:27.120 companies and he told me he gave me this, this 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:29.600 great advice. We had morning meeting. He said, you know, 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:33.920 everybody spends all this time thinking about how to perfect 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:37.240 their idea before they ever launch it. And he told 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:40.000 me that morning, you know, you should just start it, 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:42.840 you know, and go, because I had told him this 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:46.160 idea for a golf media company, just do one. Put 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:48.600 it out into the world, and that's the best thing 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:51.160 you could do. Don't spend time thinking about how to 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:53.800 how to make it great before you've ever done it. 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:58.120 So that day I went to work and I wrote 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:01.520 the first newsletter and got going and I sent it 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:05.640 to ten friends who played golf, and then sent it, 0:02:05.960 --> 0:02:09.000 you know, the next one to everybody that I had 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:11.679 ever played golf with that I had their email, or 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:14.359 anybody that I knew played golf, I had sent them 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:17.320 like a nice little letter about you know, I started 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:20.400 this thing, and then we were often running and you know, 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:24.240 people shared it around, and you know, we we became 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:27.200 a golf newsletter, and all of a sudden I became 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:32.120 really engrossed in trying to build a golf media company, 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:36.239 and at this time still working a full time job. 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:38.840 So you know what I found was I did a 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:42.079 lot of work for my side hustle at my normal hustle, 0:02:42.520 --> 0:02:47.320 and eventually that side hustle became my normal hustle. And 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:50.720 you know, from that point on, I never really have 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:53.679 dreaded a day of going to work. And you know, 0:02:56.600 --> 0:03:00.519 you know, I wrote about this in our newsletter that 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:04.880 went out on Tuesday. But I think the biggest thing, 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:07.760 when I look back on it was was being naive 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:13.120 I had. There was never a doubt in my mind 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:15.800 that things weren't going to work out, which I found, 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:18.600 you know, when I look back now at how hard, 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:24.200 how challenging it's been, you know, just like I never 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:28.959 in the early days ever thought of a reality where 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:31.560 I wouldn't be doing this, And I think that's probably 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:37.640 the most valuable thing among all the things that had 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:43.360 to go my way. Lots of luck, a really impeccable 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:46.720 timing with the when when we started some things, you know, 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:50.440 and then you know, a ton of hard work, not 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:55.720 just for me, but my extraordinarily talented team that I 0:03:55.800 --> 0:04:00.400 am so grateful for getting to work with. So today's episode, 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:03.160 we're gonna kind of talk about the last ten years. 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:10.760 I'm joined by our first full time employee, hire Garrett Morrison, 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:14.160 who's been a co host on this podcast, has written 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:17.760 you know, hundreds of thousands of words, maybe millions of 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:23.800 words on the website. Our second full time employee, Will Knights, 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:29.040 who now runs our events but wrote the newsletter for 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:35.080 free when he when he started, he basically knock knock, 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:37.719 kept knocking on my door until I said, yeah, I sure, 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:42.320 start writing stuff and we'll have you, and which parlayed 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:45.360 into a full time job with a start date the 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:49.480 day that COVID shut down America. That's another fun wrinkle 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:53.160 of of the story of of of our company. And 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:56.679 then finally, Brendan Porath, my my co host on Shotgun Start, 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:02.120 really a podcast that kind of transformed, I would say, 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:08.000 the way people thought about our media business. And guys, 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:10.119 welcome on, thanks for joining me today. 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:12.840 Hello, Hello, how's it going. 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:16.240 It's good, It's good, it's been I said this on 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:20.120 the Shotguns Start, but I don't I hadn't really thought 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:24.960 about the tenure until yesterday afternoon when I needed to 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:27.800 write the newsletter that I told people I would write, 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:31.320 And then I started thinking about it, and I just 0:05:31.640 --> 0:05:36.080 like a flood of memories, a flood of fond moments 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:40.640 in time, and you know, a great appreciation for all 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:45.080 the readers and listeners that have have been with us 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:47.240 for this time. And you know, I was thinking back 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:50.720 to like just the idea of like I would live 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:54.480 and die by how many newsletter subs that we added. 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:58.240 And then obviously, you know, super grateful for all of 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:01.839 your guys's hard work and everybody else on our team's 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:04.680 hard work that have helped us kind of grow this 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:08.760 company into a real thing over the last ten years. 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:15.000 All right, well, I want to talk a little history here, Andy, 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:18.000 kind of go back to the beginnings of the company 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:21.839 and get some of your stories about that. But first 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:25.719 of all, just to introduce the voices here, Will Knights 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:27.160 is on with us. How are you doing today? 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:30.120 Well, I'm doing well. Garrett, great to be here. And 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:31.600 Reminisce a little. 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:34.320 Bit and Brendan poor Ath, a voice that many will 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:37.320 be familiar with from the Shotguns Start podcast. How many 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:40.040 Frida Egg podcasts have you done recently, Brendan? 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:41.880 Not many. 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:44.120 I think I had one about this time last year 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:47.599 with Jeff Shackelford. I think we did start, But aside 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:50.960 from that, not many. I know, more before the Shotguns 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:54.360 Start existed and now, yeah, that's where we park all that. 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:57.480 And yeah, no, it's good to be I find it 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:00.760 really interesting to listen to you guys. Reminisce, I mean 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:03.720 it's good. We never do that that often here right, Like, 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:06.719 it's like we are going a million miles a day 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:08.640 and just trying to get stuff out, and I think 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:12.160 we're pretty productive at doing that. But God, when you 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:15.120 think it, stop stop and think. And Andy even talked 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:16.920 about like I didn't really stop and think until I 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:19.640 had to write something for the newsletter today on the 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:22.000 ten year anniverse, and so I think it's a good 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:24.080 exercise to stop and do it. So I'm excited to 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:24.960 listen to some of you guys. 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:29.440 But we're very much like a tomorrow oriented company, or 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:33.000 like next week oriented company, like, but we got to 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:35.200 get done what we have to get done for the 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:38.720 next week, and this week happens to be the ten 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:42.240 year anniversary. So here we are. Here, we are doing that, 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:44.880 but it happens to be that this task requires us 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:46.640 to reminisce a little bit and look backward. 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:50.880 It's funny. I have like a you guys all know this. 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:55.720 I have a horrendous case of ADHD. Like it's bad. 0:07:56.800 --> 0:07:58.440 It's part of the magic. 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:04.040 And the part of how I set this thing up 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:09.440 so I wouldn't fail myself was very strict deadlines, and 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:14.400 this would never have worked as an occasional blog. And 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:17.120 I think like there was probably moments a time where 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:19.600 people were wondering, like, what's going on with the Frida 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:23.880 Egg podcast? And that's because I did not have strict rules. 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:28.040 But the start of the newsletter it was Monday Wednesday, 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:32.000 and like I I, you know, even from like once 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:34.839 it got to like two hundred that the idea of 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:39.720 letting down people and them not having it one time 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:42.720 at that when I said I was going to deliver. 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:48.240 This was what got me through so much stuff. Probably 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:52.839 drove my wife insane that I was like gung ho 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:55.280 about you know, these deadlines and that I could not 0:08:55.520 --> 0:09:00.720 postpone it. And you know, but the deadline oriented nature 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:04.120 of it, I mean, it makes it so you always 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:06.559 are looking towards the next thing that you have to do, 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:11.480 but it does limit the ability for you to ever 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:13.240 reflect on anything you just did. 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:17.640 Yeah, for those who don't know, Andy's wife was the 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:22.199 first editor of Frida Egg Golf, or as it was 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:25.520 called in its first edition, the Golf Hack the Golf Hacks. 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:27.800 But somebody told you that was bad. 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:30.959 Yeah, well I knew it was bad coming up with it, 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:34.280 but I was taking the advice of my friend. I 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:37.079 wasn't gonna let coming up with the perfect name get 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:37.600 in my way. 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:41.640 Oh absolutely right, and yeah, you another couple of weeks. 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:45.960 A funny story, So I changed it to Frida Egg. 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:51.480 My friend who I used to work with. I'll just 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:54.319 say his name so he gets recognition. But Paul Spiller, 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:57.679 I worked with him at a company called Belly. He 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:02.760 he was like, I love the Wednesday subject line was 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:07.599 your Wednesday Morning Frida Egg g lie or. And he 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:10.200 was like, I love the name Friday Eck. Why don't 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:13.280 you just do that? And I was like, yeah, that's great. 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:17.959 So anyways, fast forward to we're doing like official business 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:22.560 paperwork and my my cousin in law I just call 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:25.520 him my cousin. He married into my married my cousin. 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:30.680 Is that just a cousin, cousin in law, cousin in law. Yeah, 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:36.360 because my lawyer and our lawyer, I guess he's like, 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:40.559 you know this Frida Egg name, this is this is 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:44.920 a terrible name. You have no intellectual property over your name. 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:49.240 Why all these tech companies are Google or like these 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:50.760 made up words? 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:51.480 Yeah? 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:55.199 Is that then they own all the intellectual property. You 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:57.679 need to change the name. And this is this is 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:02.040 like spring of twenty sixteen, and I say, no, we 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:04.960 can't make the change the name. The company is way 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:11.120 too big. It's way there's way to any people who 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:16.439 know it. I mean, we had like a thousand followers 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:16.800 at this. 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:19.880 Point, at this at this point, yeah, and you were 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:22.520 you were at that point two and a half years 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:26.600 away from maybe more away from hiring your your first employee. 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:30.199 Yeah. But I'm like, oh, we're way too big to 0:11:30.400 --> 0:11:34.960 do that. People will never forgive us if we changed 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:35.400 our name. 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:37.760 It's established. 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:41.240 Got to thank Paul for all the SEO headaches over 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:44.599 over the years and the confusion for catering companies. But 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:47.720 you know, it's a name that's stuck. Yeah. 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:50.439 Can I ask a quick question because I feel like 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:54.199 the answer may be it's funny or random, But why 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:57.200 did you pick December night to send the first newsletter 0:11:57.280 --> 0:12:01.400 for a golf focused company or news? December feels like a. 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:06.520 Because it was the out right right Well, so, I 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:10.400 you know, I think about this. I don't. I was 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:16.160 a little frustrated at my job. I was, you know, 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:19.680 I was kind of like in charge of our way, 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:22.080 figuring out new ways for our business to make money. 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:28.199 And I, you know, the CEO of the company, and 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:33.120 I don't think really saw I die and with with 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:38.679 where we should be going, and that frustration led me 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:42.840 to like, well, I could just do this on my own. 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:48.120 So I went. I went on a vacation with my 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:54.360 way now wife too, to Argentina and in Thanksgiving during Thanksgiving, 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:57.839 and I don't know, I can't really remember, but I 0:12:57.920 --> 0:13:01.280 think I came out of that vacation just more disgruntled 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:06.880 about my current employment, and it just led me to 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:09.120 want to do something on my own. 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:10.040 You know. 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:12.760 I think that happens with a lot of people, is 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:17.480 where you get kind of dejected at your existing job 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:21.959 and it makes you want to, you know, spend that 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:28.079 mental energy that feels like it's being wasted on other things. 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:30.880 And frankly, like you know, I was working at a 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:35.680 media company and basically the blueprint of the fried Egg 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:40.679 was everything I was hoping our company would do a 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:44.120 newsletter that was really content forward, that you didn't feel 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:49.440 like you could skip a podcast, those were those were 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:52.840 the things I was trying to get my old company 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:58.199 to invest in, really authentic content that was like you 0:13:58.600 --> 0:14:01.719 you had to read, you know, because we had a 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:06.640 we had a really interesting audience. It was like, and 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:09.600 the company's still going, is doing well. I mean, it's grown. 0:14:11.000 --> 0:14:13.679 But we had a really interesting audience of like super 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:17.600 influential people in the tech scene of these different cities 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:20.440 that we operated websites in, and I just thought that 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:23.840 was super valuable. I just I kind of learned what 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:28.160 the value of building a really engaged audience was, or like, 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:32.640 what what if we had a really engaged audience? Is 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:33.360 what I would say? 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:37.760 What was interesting to you about newsletters specifically, because you know, 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:42.160 Frida Egg started as a newsletter, was a newsletter exclusively 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:45.720 for a while, So why why were you building from 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:50.120 a newsletter in twenty late twenty fifteen, late early twenty sixteen? 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:55.640 Is Actually my wife was really into the Skim at 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:59.360 the time, right, which is which is a newsletter that's 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:02.720 focused on delivering like news, and it was really geared 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:05.720 towards millennial women who at the time were in their twenties, 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:11.440 twenties and early thirties. And I remember her asking me 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:15.280 like what I thought about these random news stories? And 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:19.040 I'm like, and she's not really like poring over the news, right, 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:21.720 And I'm like, what what are you asking? Why are 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:24.360 you asking? And She's like, I read this newsletter the Skim, 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:28.160 and I then kind of looked into it because my 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:31.120 other job was like very related to this, Like I 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:37.160 was trying to sell newsletter advertising, and I became very 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:42.359 fascinated with the Skim and the Hustle and these newsletters. 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:46.000 The premise of the newsletter being that's the piece of content, 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:51.080 because what happened at the time with newsletters was you 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:54.680 send these newsletters and there's no reason to open them. 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:58.640 It's just an aggregation of website articles with an ad 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:01.760 in it, and I could just go to the website 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:04.800 and find the articles or go on Twitter or whatever. 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:08.160 What was unique about the Skin and the Hustle was 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:13.200 it was the content was in the newsletter. Thus what 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:15.960 you see because of that is people are way more 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:19.000 engaged with what you're sending because there they don't know 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:23.040 what's inside. That's when the content's being delivered, it's not 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:25.920 being delivered onto the website. So that's why I just 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:30.160 really loved the newsletter concept. I thought, and what you know, 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:34.480 what I what I believe in, you know, more so 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:37.480 today than ever, as we've seen like in the years 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:43.680 we've changed, is getting a connection with somebody via email 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:46.920 is a very intimate relationship, like and the way I 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:53.000 view it is like, I'm not going to ever disrespect 0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:58.880 or kind of overstep our bounds in that relationship. When 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:02.840 we send you something, it's going to be meaningful, thoughtful stuff. 0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:05.639 It's not going to be we sold our list to 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:08.320 some company who gets to send you a promotional offer. 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:11.680 What we what? 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:14.159 So what I what I believe is then you have 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:17.560 a lasting connection. You know, there's a lot of things 0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:21.440 that are changing, and who knows, email may change, but 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:24.879 we're years we still get mail in our mailbox. You know, 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:30.000 an email address is like a direct connection with people, 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:33.320 whereas the social media is you're kind of at the 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:37.040 will of the company and the algorithm. So that email 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:41.000 connection is really powerful. And I thought, and I believe 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:43.280 still is like kind of the hub of everything we 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:47.160 do because you might miss a tweet or a video 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:50.159 that's posted on YouTube, but you know you can always 0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:50.959 find that email. 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:58.359 It's interesting how newsletters have survived while every other delivery 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:06.000 mechanism except from maybe the podcast, has been disrupted in 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:08.040 some way in the last couple of years. You know 0:18:08.160 --> 0:18:12.480 that the experience of going to websites is no longer 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:16.560 what it once was. Social media platforms change at the 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:20.320 at the whims of their owners, and so you can't 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:24.040 rely on that either. But the one, the one constant 0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:27.720 has kind of been email, and that's it's been really 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:28.840 steady for us. 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:29.159 You know. 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:33.959 Yeah, podcast is great too because people subscribe and then 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:37.280 you're you get that automatic push like it gets sent 0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:37.960 to your phone. 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:42.440 Especially, it's the email of audios essentially. 0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:47.400 Yeah, So it was Yeah, starting was it was quite 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:51.600 This is a fun, amazing time. I you know, I 0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:53.520 would say the thing that I missed the most is 0:18:53.800 --> 0:18:57.920 is waking up and having you know, early days, nobody 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:01.119 trying to get a hold of you, and you just 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:04.719 wake up and have this ultimate freedom of what am 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:07.880 I going to make today? And that's probably the thing 0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:09.879 that I missed the most about growth. 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:14.960 But yeah, what comes to mind when you think of 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:17.680 those those earliest days when it was just just you, 0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:21.960 any stories, any kind of ridiculous events that pop into 0:19:22.000 --> 0:19:23.720 your brain every so often. 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:28.480 I was texting with a friend this morning, actually, you know, 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:33.119 like right after I started, and Brendan you'll remember this. 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:35.560 Do you remember who the Big four was? 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:42.280 Yeah, it was a Jason Day, Ricky Fowler, Jordan Spieth, 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:47.040 and who Rory Right? It was right, Okay, it's. 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:48.000 Right, Yeah, and I think it was. 0:19:48.160 --> 0:19:48.359 It was. 0:19:48.960 --> 0:19:53.760 It was in January of twenty sixteen. Yeah, they played 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:56.800 at Abu Dhabi and I think they teed off at 0:19:56.880 --> 0:20:03.680 like one am Central something like that. And I stayed 0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:07.480 up all night and then went into work. Oh god, 0:20:09.040 --> 0:20:11.400 and I watched it and then I went into work. 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:16.240 I was like a zombie. And we lived my wife. 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:19.600 My wife and I lived in this loft apartment, so 0:20:19.680 --> 0:20:22.080 I had we didn't have a ceiling on our one 0:20:22.160 --> 0:20:25.960 bedroom loft apartment. For the bedroom. It was like one 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:28.520 of those like half So I'm like, I'm listening to 0:20:28.600 --> 0:20:32.639 it like super quiet, trying not to keep up, and 0:20:32.720 --> 0:20:37.680 it's just like completely insane behavior. BPD. 0:20:37.760 --> 0:20:41.040 You remember much from that, Yeah, I mean I remember 0:20:41.119 --> 0:20:44.119 those times, the Big Four of the twenty sixteen Abu Dhabi. 0:20:44.240 --> 0:20:49.879 I mean, are your last comment sort of like the 0:20:49.960 --> 0:20:51.960 only reason any of this works is from a little 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:55.560 bit of insane behavior, right, like from you. I mean 0:20:55.560 --> 0:20:59.320 I think about Garrett, like you know once a Yale 0:20:59.720 --> 0:21:02.880 north Western like teaching it like one of the most 0:21:02.920 --> 0:21:07.200 prestigious schools, and like taking a chance, like you know, 0:21:07.280 --> 0:21:10.600 obviously very very smart, could cut his own path taking 0:21:10.680 --> 0:21:14.159 a chance, Like that's kind of insane behavior, no disrespect parent, like, 0:21:14.520 --> 0:21:18.639 but obviously a massive credit to the company. Will like 0:21:18.840 --> 0:21:22.240 this young kid, I'll use that term liberally, but you 0:21:22.359 --> 0:21:23.119 were an adult but. 0:21:23.160 --> 0:21:26.520 In your mid twenties when came on the right Yeah right, 0:21:26.640 --> 0:21:30.400 but at that college. College was a couple of years 0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:32.760 ago when when Will came on board. 0:21:32.920 --> 0:21:35.159 Yeah, but you have your act together more than any 0:21:35.200 --> 0:21:39.359 of us, like within like the first year, like organized, driven, creative, 0:21:39.800 --> 0:21:42.640 like Okay, I'm gonna I like this guy from Chicago, 0:21:44.000 --> 0:21:46.000 I'll do it for free, let me like, and now 0:21:46.080 --> 0:21:49.320 you're like running everything for us on events and and 0:21:50.119 --> 0:21:53.119 I don't know, and Andy just staying up in the 0:21:53.160 --> 0:21:55.720 middle of night trying to do two jobs at once 0:21:55.800 --> 0:21:58.639 because he thinks he has convictions. So like, I don't know. 0:21:58.720 --> 0:22:00.280 It all starts from a little bit of an same 0:22:00.320 --> 0:22:04.119 behavior that that is driven by kind of love and 0:22:04.320 --> 0:22:06.920 love of like wanting to do it, not just wanting 0:22:07.000 --> 0:22:08.760 to make a bunch of money, wanting to be fame 0:22:08.800 --> 0:22:10.880 and wanting to do whatever. It was like, we want 0:22:10.920 --> 0:22:12.840 to do this because we think it's good. I don't 0:22:12.840 --> 0:22:14.960 know that insane behavior common resonated with. 0:22:15.000 --> 0:22:19.640 Me, Garrett, you were our first staff member full time. 0:22:20.080 --> 0:22:23.840 I've never asked you this. What what did what did 0:22:23.920 --> 0:22:29.280 your like family, your wife and your your your your 0:22:29.400 --> 0:22:32.600 other close family say when you were you said you 0:22:32.720 --> 0:22:35.480 were going to join this small golf flock. 0:22:37.280 --> 0:22:40.879 They were excited, honestly they were. They were very supportive. 0:22:41.840 --> 0:22:45.000 So I had a good job, you know, I was. 0:22:45.200 --> 0:22:48.399 I was teaching at this independent school, as they call it, 0:22:48.480 --> 0:22:52.000 a boarding school in California called Stevenson School. It was 0:22:52.240 --> 0:22:55.080 located in Pebble Beach. And that's part of why I 0:22:55.600 --> 0:22:59.160 got back into golf and kind of the mid twenty tens, 0:22:59.200 --> 0:23:01.679 early two thousand tense, because I was I was teaching 0:23:02.400 --> 0:23:05.080 at this school and around all these great golf courses. So, 0:23:05.960 --> 0:23:07.640 you know, it had been an interest of mine when 0:23:07.640 --> 0:23:10.760 I was younger. Golf and golf architecture. Really got back 0:23:10.840 --> 0:23:13.040 into it when I was when I became a teacher 0:23:13.040 --> 0:23:19.119 at the school. And yeah, when by the time I I, 0:23:20.119 --> 0:23:23.600 you know, jumped out of that job and into this one, 0:23:24.480 --> 0:23:28.399 I had been writing about golf for a while for 0:23:28.760 --> 0:23:32.560 you know, a couple of years, publishing articles on blogs 0:23:33.320 --> 0:23:36.560 occasionally with with various magazines, and things like that, getting 0:23:36.640 --> 0:23:41.400 kind of a freelance. My blog went through a couple 0:23:41.440 --> 0:23:42.359 of different names. 0:23:43.359 --> 0:23:43.479 Uh. 0:23:44.080 --> 0:23:47.280 By the end, it was just called Garrett Ford Golf 0:23:47.800 --> 0:23:51.280 because at the time I was going by a semi 0:23:51.359 --> 0:23:55.080 pseudonym on Twitter, which was Garrett Ford. 0:23:55.640 --> 0:24:02.160 Before yeah, I guess, yeah, I mean, but a term 0:24:02.240 --> 0:24:03.560 I just learned about. 0:24:04.119 --> 0:24:06.600 Me too, me too. Apparently it's a it's a really 0:24:06.680 --> 0:24:11.560 big deal. But in any case, uh, yeah, I was. 0:24:11.640 --> 0:24:14.119 I was there before those guys. But the reason I 0:24:14.280 --> 0:24:17.600 was going by Garrett Ford was that I just didn't 0:24:17.640 --> 0:24:20.520 want my students to find me on Twitter and I 0:24:20.560 --> 0:24:22.280 didn't want to have to waste a day of class 0:24:22.400 --> 0:24:25.879 like explaining what I was doing, right, uh, And so 0:24:26.040 --> 0:24:28.480 that was it. I was Garrett Ford. Andy knew me 0:24:28.480 --> 0:24:30.359 as Garrett Ford. In fact, I think he might have 0:24:30.400 --> 0:24:34.040 thought that my name was Garrett Ford until he literally 0:24:34.200 --> 0:24:37.960 had to like I had to fill out a tax force. 0:24:40.800 --> 0:24:43.920 Actually that's definitely true, because I remember because I was 0:24:43.960 --> 0:24:46.880 writing for Andy at that time and he like sent 0:24:46.960 --> 0:24:48.560 me a message like I think I'm going to hire 0:24:48.640 --> 0:24:50.560 Garrett Ford, and I was like, oh awesome, Like I 0:24:50.600 --> 0:24:52.920 love this stuff on Twitter, YadA YadA, And I do 0:24:53.160 --> 0:24:55.600 remember that, Like Andy texted me, he said, did you 0:24:55.760 --> 0:24:58.960 know his last name is Morris? At that point, I 0:24:59.200 --> 0:25:01.720 truly had, We all thought your last name was fort. 0:25:03.520 --> 0:25:03.720 Yeah. 0:25:03.880 --> 0:25:06.639 Yeah, it's good stuff. Yeah. And you can tell, like 0:25:06.960 --> 0:25:09.879 Andy didn't google me or anything, because otherwise he probably 0:25:09.880 --> 0:25:11.639 would have figured that out before. 0:25:12.200 --> 0:25:13.800 No background searches. 0:25:13.600 --> 0:25:17.040 No background checks, no no googling to the Stevenson School 0:25:17.119 --> 0:25:20.120 website to make sure that I was actually employed by them. 0:25:20.800 --> 0:25:23.199 In any case, you asked what my family thought they 0:25:23.240 --> 0:25:25.720 were into it. They they they had already, you know, 0:25:25.800 --> 0:25:28.280 been aware that I was interested in going this direction. 0:25:29.119 --> 0:25:33.520 My wife was was very familiar with my frustrations with 0:25:33.680 --> 0:25:36.720 the kind of boarding school teaching job. Uh, it was. 0:25:36.880 --> 0:25:39.600 It was an overwhelming job that you know. We lived 0:25:39.680 --> 0:25:43.360 on campus in a house on campus and inside the gate, 0:25:44.000 --> 0:25:48.760 inside inside the Pebble Beach gates right Our house was 0:25:48.840 --> 0:25:52.040 connected to a dormitory, and I just couldn't get away 0:25:52.080 --> 0:25:54.960 from my job. I see way more of my kids 0:25:55.040 --> 0:25:57.920 now than I did when I was working that job. 0:25:57.960 --> 0:26:00.200 And it's a great job. It's you know, people do 0:26:00.280 --> 0:26:04.080 it for decades, have have all my respect, But most 0:26:04.119 --> 0:26:07.040 of the people who last that long are real extroverts. 0:26:07.640 --> 0:26:10.720 They really like being out among people and interacting with 0:26:10.800 --> 0:26:16.119 people all day long. By five years of by the 0:26:16.200 --> 0:26:17.840 time I had done that job for five years, I 0:26:17.960 --> 0:26:21.320 was pretty tired of it, and so I was ready 0:26:21.359 --> 0:26:23.800 to move on to something new. Everybody who was close 0:26:23.840 --> 0:26:26.360 to me knew that, and they went with it. I think, 0:26:26.960 --> 0:26:29.040 you know, if they had their concerns, and I'm sure 0:26:29.080 --> 0:26:32.160 there were probably some concerns, they kept them to themselves 0:26:32.240 --> 0:26:35.520 and just trusted me, which was very very nice of them. 0:26:36.600 --> 0:26:39.080 Will you you were kind of on. 0:26:41.040 --> 0:26:41.080 You. 0:26:41.920 --> 0:26:45.639 I mean, you started working in twenty seventeen in a 0:26:45.840 --> 0:26:49.080 capacity you were writing, and you wrote the newsletter. You 0:26:49.119 --> 0:26:53.159 pretty much had taken that over. And my thing was, 0:26:53.520 --> 0:26:56.400 we had to hire Garrett first because we needed one 0:26:56.480 --> 0:26:59.359 person that knew that had a vast understanding of the 0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:05.200 of the English grammar system. That was number one for people. 0:27:05.000 --> 0:27:10.360 Who I was an English teacher right at the at 0:27:10.400 --> 0:27:13.200 this morning school, and that was definitely part of the 0:27:13.240 --> 0:27:14.560 reason that Andy hired me. 0:27:15.200 --> 0:27:19.560 Will had passable grammar. I don't have fastibal grammar. Nothing 0:27:19.600 --> 0:27:24.080 could be published without somebody reading it. But uh, will 0:27:25.040 --> 0:27:29.040 you came on right during COVID. I didn't want to 0:27:29.119 --> 0:27:31.760 tell you, but I was sitting in my basement staring 0:27:31.800 --> 0:27:34.600 at the ceiling, wondering, like, if anybody was going to 0:27:34.640 --> 0:27:39.400 play golf, how when when's the next like sponsored check 0:27:39.520 --> 0:27:42.000 or sponsor going to come in? How am I going 0:27:42.080 --> 0:27:45.320 to like I just hired Will? Like, why is this 0:27:45.480 --> 0:27:46.200 happening now? 0:27:48.080 --> 0:27:48.159 Uh? 0:27:48.400 --> 0:27:51.879 What? What were you feeling in your in your apartment? 0:27:52.800 --> 0:27:55.399 Well, I mean I was feeling the same thing. It was, 0:27:56.000 --> 0:27:59.200 honestly at that going back to Brendan's comment of like 0:27:59.320 --> 0:28:02.440 I was young and not really thinking about how the 0:28:02.520 --> 0:28:04.560 Frida egg made money. At that point, it was just 0:28:04.640 --> 0:28:07.159 like Andie's hiring me. Great, I got a job. But 0:28:07.280 --> 0:28:11.000 then you get into the situations like, Okay, how is 0:28:11.119 --> 0:28:14.760 health insurance going to work? And when are these paychecks 0:28:14.800 --> 0:28:16.800 going to come? Is at the fifteenth of the month, Yeah, 0:28:17.080 --> 0:28:20.879 like the basic things. And then a week before I start, 0:28:21.359 --> 0:28:24.960 the Rudy Gobert incident happens, and I fly home and 0:28:25.920 --> 0:28:29.800 we start kind of getting into it, and I realized 0:28:29.960 --> 0:28:33.800 very quickly how the real world works, and especially when 0:28:33.840 --> 0:28:36.239 you have a small business and you have to make 0:28:36.280 --> 0:28:39.080 sure money is coming in the door. And thankfully we 0:28:39.160 --> 0:28:41.600 weren't talking about this to each other. We were just 0:28:41.680 --> 0:28:44.520 worrying about it at home. But I was twenty six 0:28:44.600 --> 0:28:48.040 years old, like working at home with my roommate at 0:28:48.080 --> 0:28:50.960 the time, who had also started a small business around 0:28:51.000 --> 0:28:54.280 this time, and we were both very nervous and just 0:28:54.400 --> 0:28:57.360 kind of expressing our anxieties to each other. But he 0:28:57.440 --> 0:28:59.680 didn't have anybody else to talk to day to day 0:28:59.720 --> 0:29:03.240 beside me. So thankfully we at least would hop on 0:29:03.280 --> 0:29:05.360 a zoom call meet you and Garrett and would we 0:29:05.400 --> 0:29:08.080 would have ideas and we would talk about what is 0:29:08.160 --> 0:29:10.200 going to fill the space that week at the very least, 0:29:10.240 --> 0:29:12.680 and thankfully then last too long. But there were there 0:29:12.680 --> 0:29:14.120 were dark months there at the beginning. 0:29:14.680 --> 0:29:19.040 Honestly, COVID was an amazing time if you just looked 0:29:19.080 --> 0:29:20.600 at it from content creation. 0:29:21.080 --> 0:29:22.840 It was enforced solitude. 0:29:25.120 --> 0:29:29.360 I you know, Brendan, I often look back at what 0:29:29.720 --> 0:29:32.120 we did with the Shotgun Start and I have no 0:29:32.400 --> 0:29:36.560 clue how we did that. Brett, Garrett, you pretty much 0:29:36.680 --> 0:29:38.960 took over fried Eggpod for. 0:29:38.960 --> 0:29:40.800 A little while. Yeah, I mean, because you're you were 0:29:40.840 --> 0:29:44.560 doing Shotgun Start three times a week and uh, running 0:29:44.600 --> 0:29:47.800 a business dealing with the financials, Like we did not 0:29:48.000 --> 0:29:51.200 have a financial person at this time. It was just 0:29:51.400 --> 0:29:54.239 you Andy. And for people who are familiar with your 0:29:54.320 --> 0:29:57.720 kind of podcast persona, they might think that maybe Will 0:29:57.760 --> 0:30:00.480 and I missed some paychecks and stuff like that. We 0:30:00.680 --> 0:30:04.680 never did. All that stuff was completely professionally taken care 0:30:04.720 --> 0:30:11.200 of by Andy and so pretty overwhelming task that you had. 0:30:11.760 --> 0:30:13.680 And so the fried Egg Pod was kind of the 0:30:13.720 --> 0:30:17.640 victim of that for a while. It was really irregularly published, 0:30:18.120 --> 0:30:20.920 and I you know, at some point we just sort 0:30:20.960 --> 0:30:23.480 of agreed that I should I should take on a 0:30:23.520 --> 0:30:26.880 little bit more of that load. But yeah, those COVID times, 0:30:26.920 --> 0:30:31.880 I mean, it turned out to be an amazing boost 0:30:32.120 --> 0:30:34.520 for golf, where people kind of went back to basics, 0:30:34.680 --> 0:30:37.440 rediscovered the game, and a whole new set of people 0:30:37.560 --> 0:30:40.600 came into the game. And you know, it's not that 0:30:40.680 --> 0:30:44.000 that made COVID good or anything. It was obviously a 0:30:44.160 --> 0:30:48.280 very terrible time, but it played out differently than any 0:30:48.360 --> 0:30:51.360 of us thought. And yeah, I remember Will coming on 0:30:51.520 --> 0:30:54.160 board and being worried about that. Now Will had been 0:30:54.640 --> 0:30:57.400 effectively part of our team for a long time. At 0:30:57.440 --> 0:31:00.560 that point. In fact, before I have or worked with 0:31:00.680 --> 0:31:04.000 Andy or did anything with Andy, Will was working on 0:31:04.080 --> 0:31:07.360 the newspaper, on the newsletter rather as as you mentioned, 0:31:07.400 --> 0:31:10.720 Andy writing the newsletter on a you know, three time 0:31:10.800 --> 0:31:13.440 a week basis, so he was very much part of 0:31:13.480 --> 0:31:17.000 the team when I came on board. But bringing Will 0:31:17.080 --> 0:31:19.680 on full time was a big move, something that we 0:31:19.760 --> 0:31:22.600 were excited about. You know, Will brought so much to 0:31:22.680 --> 0:31:25.800 the team other than just writing, and so we're very 0:31:25.840 --> 0:31:28.960 excited to have that. But but you know, just the 0:31:29.280 --> 0:31:33.080 kind of coincidence of that and historical events made for 0:31:33.400 --> 0:31:38.280 a very uncertain time. I remember, actually, you know, kind 0:31:38.320 --> 0:31:44.080 of in a fit of complete irrationality and panic, selling 0:31:44.200 --> 0:31:48.680 my driver for a couple hundred dollars because I figured 0:31:48.760 --> 0:31:50.760 having the extra cash on hand might be a good 0:31:50.800 --> 0:31:55.320 idea for the next couple of weeks. Like obviously that 0:31:55.400 --> 0:31:59.080 wouldn't have done anything if things had gone really bad, 0:31:59.200 --> 0:32:01.600 but I just like, maybe I shouldn't have this driver. 0:32:02.320 --> 0:32:04.800 I ended up having to to rebuy a driver a 0:32:04.840 --> 0:32:08.880 couple of months later. But yeah, it's so you know, 0:32:09.120 --> 0:32:11.720 those that that was a rough couple of weeks. But 0:32:11.800 --> 0:32:14.520 then I think we realized we can be at home, 0:32:14.960 --> 0:32:17.600 we can do some interesting stuff, we can learn some 0:32:17.760 --> 0:32:20.600 new skills, you know, we can we can really burnish 0:32:20.680 --> 0:32:24.400 our skills as content makers. Take this opportunity and and 0:32:24.720 --> 0:32:27.600 and explore some new avenues. And Brendan, I remember you 0:32:27.680 --> 0:32:30.440 and Andy kind of happening upon this idea of the 0:32:30.880 --> 0:32:35.760 long form flashback Friday type podcast that was sort of 0:32:35.840 --> 0:32:40.240 a product of this period. And at that time Shotguns 0:32:40.240 --> 0:32:40.680 Start was. 0:32:40.680 --> 0:32:41.080 What just. 0:32:42.560 --> 0:32:45.360 Was it a couple of years old, maybe a year 0:32:45.400 --> 0:32:48.160 and a half. Yeah, And so that was a that 0:32:48.360 --> 0:32:51.360 was a and it was kind of born of the 0:32:51.400 --> 0:32:53.040 fact that you guys were doing a three time a 0:32:53.080 --> 0:32:55.960 week podcast. You just had to figure out interesting stuff 0:32:56.040 --> 0:32:58.120 to fill up that time when there was no golf, 0:32:58.760 --> 0:33:00.440 and you and you sort of figure it out. 0:33:01.040 --> 0:33:02.160 I mean it was a news show. 0:33:03.040 --> 0:33:05.160 Yeah, I know, scary, that was the concept. 0:33:06.080 --> 0:33:09.280 Yeah, like everything else, pretty scary obviously, like, uh yeah, 0:33:09.280 --> 0:33:12.640 it's a news we will always have something to talk about. 0:33:12.720 --> 0:33:15.360 We will get news the guy the content gods provide. 0:33:15.400 --> 0:33:17.040 And then all of a sudden, there was no more 0:33:17.760 --> 0:33:20.800 golf tournament, no more professional golf or any tournaments of 0:33:20.840 --> 0:33:24.320 any kind. So yeah, like Andy said, when you think 0:33:24.360 --> 0:33:27.480 back on it now, just what we were doing, the 0:33:27.560 --> 0:33:31.280 amount of amount of work and research and then recording 0:33:31.400 --> 0:33:34.600 time was pretty substantial. But I think it grabbed a 0:33:34.680 --> 0:33:36.760 lot of people. People still talk to me about those 0:33:36.760 --> 0:33:39.760 episodes all the time, and you know, if we had time. 0:33:39.840 --> 0:33:41.680 Now I think we do them more often. We plan 0:33:41.800 --> 0:33:43.480 to do them more. But yeah, that was that was 0:33:43.520 --> 0:33:45.680 an interesting time in the company for all of you guys, 0:33:45.760 --> 0:33:47.080 and certainly for the pod too. 0:33:47.480 --> 0:33:50.000 What was going on you were working at espuation at 0:33:50.040 --> 0:33:51.160 that point, right, I was. 0:33:51.200 --> 0:33:56.920 Just going to ask blog cabin came came about as 0:33:57.280 --> 0:33:59.120 well during during your espenation time. 0:33:59.560 --> 0:34:02.240 Yeah, I worked for Vox Media and I remember, like, 0:34:05.480 --> 0:34:07.920 like obviously on their sports side, it was like it 0:34:08.040 --> 0:34:11.040 was a pretty like forward digital media company where like 0:34:11.120 --> 0:34:13.680 you could the point was to make something cool and 0:34:13.800 --> 0:34:15.920 unique and creative and not repeat what other people are 0:34:15.960 --> 0:34:17.920 doing and like you like the world's your oyster on 0:34:17.960 --> 0:34:20.000 the internet. And I remember when Andy actually I think 0:34:20.040 --> 0:34:23.200 one of my like earlier members of Andy is he 0:34:23.320 --> 0:34:27.200 sent me something to edit or read over about Aaron Hills, 0:34:27.960 --> 0:34:30.200 like an angles piece, like with an angle, like you 0:34:30.320 --> 0:34:33.040 were explaining it to people who were watching Aaron Hills 0:34:33.080 --> 0:34:34.680 and you had like the scatter. 0:34:34.600 --> 0:34:37.399 Made the tenth hole, I think again, tenth Yeah, yeah, 0:34:37.520 --> 0:34:37.719 it was. 0:34:37.880 --> 0:34:40.680 It was the article. It's an article with the title 0:34:40.800 --> 0:34:45.480 with an angles, okay, and and it and it really resonated. 0:34:46.120 --> 0:34:48.120 Yeah, and he sent it to me, I'm sure you 0:34:48.320 --> 0:34:51.600 like I like to look over and I was. I 0:34:51.960 --> 0:34:55.080 sort of been I don't know, brought up and groomed 0:34:55.120 --> 0:34:57.600 in digital media in a way of like looking for cool, 0:34:58.239 --> 0:35:01.359 different important ship not just like here's how tiger Wood 0:35:01.400 --> 0:35:04.400 shot is seventy one And I was like, whoa, this 0:35:04.560 --> 0:35:07.000 is like really really smart. That was you know, I 0:35:07.080 --> 0:35:09.400 had known you and followed your work, but that was 0:35:09.440 --> 0:35:10.960 the first time I was like reading over like this 0:35:11.160 --> 0:35:12.960 is like I don't know if it was the most 0:35:13.000 --> 0:35:15.360 revolutionary piece or the well written piece, was like this 0:35:15.800 --> 0:35:17.600 is like a different way to like make stuff, and 0:35:17.640 --> 0:35:20.319 it is probably the thing that knows you're talking about 0:35:20.320 --> 0:35:22.080 waking up, like what am I going to make today? 0:35:22.200 --> 0:35:24.800 Like that freedom you had, And that was one of 0:35:24.840 --> 0:35:27.400 the first things or was coming from sort of the 0:35:27.440 --> 0:35:30.759 culture I came from, and seeing that like felt like 0:35:30.840 --> 0:35:33.239 a really really good match, Like this guy is really 0:35:33.280 --> 0:35:36.000 smart and really like is trying to make something different 0:35:36.080 --> 0:35:38.719 and unique and say something that maybe not all the 0:35:38.800 --> 0:35:42.239 other people are saying all the time. So yeah, and 0:35:42.320 --> 0:35:44.719 then we launched into blog cabin and it all went 0:35:44.760 --> 0:35:45.120 from there. 0:35:46.400 --> 0:35:50.160 You bring up something about like the Vox culture, about 0:35:50.360 --> 0:35:54.600 thinking outside the box, doing stuff that other people aren't doing. Yeah, 0:35:55.800 --> 0:35:58.160 the company prior that I worked at, we had a 0:35:58.200 --> 0:36:01.279 staff of writers, and I I'll never forget I was 0:36:01.360 --> 0:36:03.680 on you know, the business side, but I was. I 0:36:03.719 --> 0:36:06.200 would occasionally have to go tell them they needed to 0:36:06.239 --> 0:36:08.880 write some sponsored content piece that I sold, which was 0:36:09.000 --> 0:36:12.640 never fun. But I became friends with a lot of 0:36:12.680 --> 0:36:15.160 them and I would be like, do you write stuff 0:36:15.200 --> 0:36:18.279 that you want to write? And they're like, no, never, right, 0:36:19.360 --> 0:36:22.600 like maybe one article a week and they're writing multiple 0:36:22.719 --> 0:36:26.040 articles a day. And I always thought that was like 0:36:26.200 --> 0:36:29.760 kind of backwards. It's like, you should always have writers 0:36:30.920 --> 0:36:33.120 and then for the most part, you should just let 0:36:33.200 --> 0:36:37.480 them write whatever they want to write, because that's going 0:36:37.560 --> 0:36:41.160 to be the most interesting thing. Like let them take 0:36:41.239 --> 0:36:44.680 a topic or take an event and write it through 0:36:44.760 --> 0:36:51.400 their prism. And that's I think something that like, you 0:36:51.520 --> 0:36:56.000 know it, established media is kind of botched is that, 0:36:56.640 --> 0:36:58.960 you know, they feel like they have to do the 0:36:59.200 --> 0:37:03.200 old like, well this worked ten years ago format, so 0:37:03.320 --> 0:37:05.480 we have to keep doing that, and somebody's always got 0:37:05.520 --> 0:37:08.359 to be assigned to that. And that's something that drew 0:37:08.400 --> 0:37:12.520 me to Brendan's writing was he's writing about you know, 0:37:13.560 --> 0:37:17.640 monster cutout to gas stations, right right? 0:37:17.719 --> 0:37:21.520 Well, I mean I think that's why you were You 0:37:22.040 --> 0:37:24.040 and your team were able to kind of crack in. 0:37:24.120 --> 0:37:26.400 I wouldn't say you like could take over, but like 0:37:26.520 --> 0:37:30.359 you can crack in because all the other golf media 0:37:30.400 --> 0:37:33.640 space people have like so many masters to serve and 0:37:33.719 --> 0:37:36.600 the reverse they're doing the reverse of what you're talking about, Like, 0:37:36.719 --> 0:37:39.960 what can I write to generate the most traffic that 0:37:40.160 --> 0:37:42.560 serves the ads that keep us the lights on? And 0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:44.759 you were going from the you were starting from the 0:37:44.800 --> 0:37:47.239 opposite end of like I want to write something cool 0:37:47.360 --> 0:37:50.440 that I think is interesting or important or funny or humorous, 0:37:51.120 --> 0:37:53.440 uh or something I have a particular expertise on, like 0:37:53.560 --> 0:37:56.960 you're and that will draw the people in and then 0:37:57.000 --> 0:37:58.880 we'll build from there and that will draw the sponsors 0:37:58.920 --> 0:38:01.520 in that like I Yeah, it's not a way to 0:38:01.640 --> 0:38:05.959 scale right away overnight. Right Necessarily, there's gonna be fewer 0:38:06.040 --> 0:38:07.759 people wanting to read about the wid and angles of 0:38:07.800 --> 0:38:10.840 the tenth hole than there are that like Tiger Woods's 0:38:10.960 --> 0:38:14.520 back update or whatever. But it's a way to actually 0:38:14.719 --> 0:38:18.439 have a voice and authenticity and a real audience. Yeah, 0:38:18.560 --> 0:38:21.880 and a real audience. And that's and nobody was I 0:38:21.920 --> 0:38:23.880 would I won't say nobody, but not many people were 0:38:23.960 --> 0:38:26.400 doing that. And you saw you guys saw the opportunity 0:38:26.560 --> 0:38:29.520 and and I think that's why it's been able to stick, 0:38:29.640 --> 0:38:32.160 Why you were able to crack in, not necessarily take 0:38:32.200 --> 0:38:34.280 over the world, but why you were able to stand 0:38:34.360 --> 0:38:36.520 out and crack in and now stick. 0:38:38.000 --> 0:38:41.719 What are your guys's favorite things that you've worked on 0:38:42.040 --> 0:38:42.879 since you've been here? 0:38:43.920 --> 0:38:47.160 Go ahead, Will, I mean, I. 0:38:47.280 --> 0:38:50.719 Think, I mean, there's been so many different variations of 0:38:50.800 --> 0:38:52.120 my job over the years. 0:38:52.040 --> 0:38:55.920 That Will It's been like basically everything I. 0:38:56.040 --> 0:38:57.600 Kind I was kind of thinking about it. Over the 0:38:57.680 --> 0:39:01.600 last ten years, I've done everything from like podcast clips 0:39:01.880 --> 0:39:06.400 to the merch to the writing writing. Garret would edit 0:39:06.440 --> 0:39:08.560 the newsletter. I would put everything in our back end 0:39:08.640 --> 0:39:12.560 system to events to social media. It really has like 0:39:12.760 --> 0:39:16.480 kind of transformed over the years. But to your point earlier, 0:39:16.800 --> 0:39:21.120 like when I started writing the newsletter, it was after 0:39:21.239 --> 0:39:22.960 my day job. I would come home and just like 0:39:23.080 --> 0:39:24.920 kind of figure out what happened during the day. But 0:39:24.960 --> 0:39:27.719 Andy would let me write whatever I wanted, and that 0:39:27.840 --> 0:39:29.920 was like a really freeing thing. Was like, as long 0:39:29.960 --> 0:39:33.200 as I'm covering the events that are happening, just write 0:39:33.200 --> 0:39:35.560 about that. And that was always super fun for me. 0:39:35.719 --> 0:39:39.040 So I mean that honestly, Like the newsletter being like 0:39:39.200 --> 0:39:43.279 my responsibility and it wasn't even my job, was like 0:39:43.520 --> 0:39:48.000 something that really like got me into Frida Egg quickly. 0:39:48.040 --> 0:39:50.160 It was like, Okay, I'm invested in this thing. I'm 0:39:50.200 --> 0:39:52.319 not making money off of it, but like I want 0:39:52.400 --> 0:39:54.080 this to be a good product, And that was super 0:39:54.160 --> 0:39:56.279 fun for me as a twenty four to twenty five 0:39:56.360 --> 0:39:59.000 year old. And then over the years, I mean, having 0:39:59.760 --> 0:40:02.680 been and so many different things, I have stories for everything. 0:40:02.760 --> 0:40:06.640 But I think seeing people at our events now that 0:40:06.760 --> 0:40:09.600 I've got to know in twenty twenty one, or even 0:40:09.640 --> 0:40:13.279 our first events in twenty nineteen is incredibly rewarding. And 0:40:13.440 --> 0:40:16.040 just the fact that I consider many of them friends 0:40:16.120 --> 0:40:19.520 now is something that is probably what I'm most proud of, 0:40:19.760 --> 0:40:22.160 is the fact that people want to come see us 0:40:22.200 --> 0:40:25.120 around the country. And so I mean that's a very 0:40:25.200 --> 0:40:27.399 long winded answer to what's my favorite thing that I've 0:40:27.440 --> 0:40:29.560 been a part of, But I think there's just so 0:40:29.680 --> 0:40:33.319 many different tentacles of our business that we've been been 0:40:33.400 --> 0:40:36.920 involved in over the years that there's something that everyone 0:40:37.080 --> 0:40:38.239 can kind of latch onto. 0:40:39.360 --> 0:40:42.719 I was doing your review research today and I was 0:40:42.840 --> 0:40:45.080 trying to find something in my email, Will and I 0:40:45.239 --> 0:40:48.520 came across an old newsletter subject line that you had 0:40:48.640 --> 0:40:51.880 crafted that was Mitch, Mitch, don't kill my vibe. 0:40:55.360 --> 0:40:55.800 Didn't you do? 0:40:55.960 --> 0:40:59.560 Actually, didn't you do Jordan's third Leg? At that point 0:40:59.760 --> 0:41:05.400 that was Andy Okay, Yeah, our newsletter headlines used to 0:41:05.440 --> 0:41:08.400 be a little bit, a little bit wilder than they are. 0:41:08.920 --> 0:41:14.160 Well, that Jordan's third Leg came from the LaGuardia airport 0:41:15.040 --> 0:41:18.359 after my flight was delayed. After I did up all 0:41:18.480 --> 0:41:24.239 night for the open with Brendan, Brendan invited me to 0:41:24.440 --> 0:41:27.840 come to video. It was like video pop. It basically 0:41:28.160 --> 0:41:32.080 was what like kind of the beginning of the shotgun start, 0:41:32.120 --> 0:41:35.080 I would say. And we did it with Amon Lynch 0:41:35.400 --> 0:41:38.760 one day, and we did it with h. Richard Johnson 0:41:39.280 --> 0:41:43.640 one day from the Box offices in New York. I 0:41:43.719 --> 0:41:46.160 remember I made the cut at the Oldinois State Am 0:41:46.239 --> 0:41:47.920 and w dd to go do that. 0:41:48.440 --> 0:41:50.960 Yeah, I don't know that was a good idea, but 0:41:51.040 --> 0:41:54.399 it was something came of it eventually it did. 0:41:54.840 --> 0:41:56.560 It wasn't great, It was a great idea, some of 0:41:56.600 --> 0:41:59.239 the best ideas, but we we were like, we didn't 0:41:59.280 --> 0:42:03.040 sleeper two days. No, that was the whole premise of 0:42:03.440 --> 0:42:06.080 the stick was we were literally up all night. 0:42:07.200 --> 0:42:10.480 I mean, yeah, think about like that. I don't know, 0:42:10.640 --> 0:42:12.960 think about that. Golf Channel just would have picked us 0:42:13.000 --> 0:42:16.040 off then or somebody make me. I'm glad we you 0:42:16.080 --> 0:42:18.560 know that's where you had Abe and me you Richard 0:42:18.640 --> 0:42:19.200 j I don't know. 0:42:19.280 --> 0:42:21.600 It was like, probably a pretty good show, but except 0:42:21.640 --> 0:42:23.960 it was at four in the morning and nobody was watching. 0:42:24.160 --> 0:42:27.040 So yeah, that was fun. I forgot about that. One 0:42:27.080 --> 0:42:30.720 of the crazy sliding Doors moments was when we started 0:42:30.760 --> 0:42:34.640 the Shotgun start and we you know, Brendan was working 0:42:34.719 --> 0:42:38.320 at Vox, and we we offered Vox fifty percent of 0:42:38.360 --> 0:42:41.560 the pod and they said no thanks and washed their 0:42:41.600 --> 0:42:42.080 hands of it. 0:42:42.440 --> 0:42:44.880 I remember that well. I talked to my boss. I 0:42:44.960 --> 0:42:48.160 was like, cause, this is absolutely not going to I 0:42:48.239 --> 0:42:50.319 have a full time job here. This is not going 0:42:50.400 --> 0:42:53.680 to be for you or your company or property or 0:42:54.000 --> 0:42:57.360 you know, project, and they're like, oh no, like they 0:42:57.400 --> 0:42:59.200 didn't care about it. I mean, at that time we 0:42:59.280 --> 0:43:02.279 had expanded it into politics and all that. I don't 0:43:02.320 --> 0:43:05.120 know that we had a person running our sports who 0:43:05.120 --> 0:43:06.920 didn't know who Nick Saban was. I'll just leave it 0:43:07.000 --> 0:43:09.160 at that, so let alone. Golf was pretty far down 0:43:09.239 --> 0:43:11.040 the line, and the golf pod. The notion of a 0:43:11.120 --> 0:43:13.440 golf pod was sort of like, uh no, yeah, go 0:43:13.480 --> 0:43:15.920 ahead and do that. And but like I guess if 0:43:15.960 --> 0:43:18.160 it gets like big or you can make money off it, 0:43:18.480 --> 0:43:20.279 we'll need to talk. I was like, all right, sure, 0:43:20.400 --> 0:43:21.880 I'm sure we will not be talking. 0:43:22.760 --> 0:43:23.360 I'm gonna do it. 0:43:24.080 --> 0:43:25.439 There's no obligation there. 0:43:26.040 --> 0:43:28.879 I just got permission. We're going see it. So, yeah, 0:43:28.960 --> 0:43:30.000 that was right, that is true. 0:43:30.040 --> 0:43:31.840 Well, thank you, Vox, appreciate it. 0:43:31.960 --> 0:43:34.399 Right, Well, they could be a partner for this pot. 0:43:35.440 --> 0:43:38.040 Nothing is in writing. We're off and clear, we're running. 0:43:38.080 --> 0:43:42.520 Let's see you got your Garrett, what was what was 0:43:42.600 --> 0:43:45.560 your favorite piece or project? 0:43:46.480 --> 0:43:52.200 I loved doing the first uh what what we now 0:43:52.320 --> 0:43:56.280 call All Grasses Local. There are videos that are about 0:43:56.400 --> 0:44:01.960 different turf operations across the world, and the first one 0:44:02.000 --> 0:44:03.719 of those videos that we did, and at the time, 0:44:03.800 --> 0:44:06.960 the concept was more we're talking about young people getting 0:44:07.000 --> 0:44:11.160 into turf. We're talking about turf internship programs, and so 0:44:11.280 --> 0:44:15.520 our idea was to make a short series of videos 0:44:15.760 --> 0:44:19.759 about the internship at sand Hills Golf Club in Nebraska 0:44:20.680 --> 0:44:25.040 and bally Neil Golf and Hunt Club in Colorado, and 0:44:25.160 --> 0:44:28.960 we made three different visits to the courses, talk to 0:44:29.000 --> 0:44:33.560 the superintendents, talked to the young people and the turf 0:44:33.680 --> 0:44:38.799 internship program that those two courses ran jointly at the time. 0:44:39.719 --> 0:44:42.800 And that was just such an amazing project to do 0:44:43.000 --> 0:44:44.960 because it was a new kind of thing that we 0:44:45.080 --> 0:44:48.960 were doing, and the focus was really on making a 0:44:49.440 --> 0:44:53.800 quality piece of storytelling about these people at these places. 0:44:54.440 --> 0:44:56.680 I thought they came out really well, and that's mostly 0:44:56.719 --> 0:44:59.480 a credit to Cameron Hurtis and his excellent work. But 0:45:01.000 --> 0:45:07.279 I often remember the feeling of producing those being being 0:45:07.440 --> 0:45:11.200 on site at those incredible golf courses. I mean, it 0:45:11.280 --> 0:45:14.120 was the first time I had seen either of those courses. 0:45:14.200 --> 0:45:17.759 I was pretty blown away by the courses themselves and 0:45:17.920 --> 0:45:20.480 just the opportunity to talk to the people who were 0:45:20.719 --> 0:45:24.560 working on them and to try to make something beautiful 0:45:24.640 --> 0:45:28.960 and moving and informative and about what life is like 0:45:29.719 --> 0:45:33.479 when you're living and working at this kind of place. 0:45:34.440 --> 0:45:37.160 And since then, we've done a number of different videos 0:45:37.200 --> 0:45:41.120 that have kind of taken that perspective on golf courses, 0:45:41.200 --> 0:45:44.920 and I've really enjoyed that I've been involved in a 0:45:45.000 --> 0:45:49.600 number of them. Obviously are current colleague Matt Rusius and 0:45:49.960 --> 0:45:53.960 Cameron Hurtis are most involved in those video projects now. 0:45:54.120 --> 0:45:57.319 But yeah, whenever I get an opportunity to help them 0:45:57.560 --> 0:46:00.680 with one of them, it's a big highlight. And Andy, 0:46:00.760 --> 0:46:04.880 I know you always like to reminisce about staying in 0:46:05.640 --> 0:46:09.960 the hotel in Mullen. There was hotel at least yeah, 0:46:10.000 --> 0:46:12.879 sand Hills Hotel. There was at least one night when 0:46:12.920 --> 0:46:17.000 we needed to stay there. It's not the ideal place 0:46:17.080 --> 0:46:20.080 to stay, I will say, although they're very friendly there 0:46:20.120 --> 0:46:21.959 and it's a you know, it's a bed to sleep 0:46:22.040 --> 0:46:25.120 in for the night. But it was after a long 0:46:25.200 --> 0:46:25.760 day of shooting. 0:46:25.960 --> 0:46:26.560 It was dark. 0:46:26.760 --> 0:46:28.359 I mean, the thing about these trips is that you're 0:46:28.440 --> 0:46:31.400 up all day, right because you don't you don't go 0:46:31.480 --> 0:46:35.040 in for dinner because you're shooting at sunset. And so 0:46:35.800 --> 0:46:39.520 it was what nine or ten o'clock when we finished up. 0:46:40.120 --> 0:46:42.359 I think when you think of the totality of the day, 0:46:44.360 --> 0:46:47.120 it was one of the hottest days of the year there. 0:46:47.440 --> 0:46:50.520 It was like one hundred, one hundred plus and I 0:46:51.680 --> 0:46:53.840 I like to remember the day like it was yesterday 0:46:54.000 --> 0:46:56.200 because we woke up super early. We had to drive 0:46:56.280 --> 0:46:59.919 from Grand Platte, which is where we stayed the night before, 0:47:00.080 --> 0:47:05.759 were up to Mullen and we so we you know, 0:47:05.840 --> 0:47:07.840 that's like an hour drive and we had to be 0:47:08.000 --> 0:47:12.480 there for the morning meeting at Sandhills for the maintenance team, 0:47:12.520 --> 0:47:15.960 which is like an hour before sunrise in the middle 0:47:16.000 --> 0:47:16.520 of summer. 0:47:16.880 --> 0:47:21.400 So we were right North Platt. Yeah, we started North Platte, 0:47:21.400 --> 0:47:23.200 went to Yeah, so if people are familiar with the 0:47:23.280 --> 0:47:25.160 Era area, a short. 0:47:25.000 --> 0:47:28.200 Drive, Yeah, it's not short, but it was just like 0:47:28.320 --> 0:47:32.720 it insanely early day. We we get through, we shoot, 0:47:33.880 --> 0:47:36.120 I want to say, like we you know, obviously shoot 0:47:36.239 --> 0:47:39.640 all the morning, set up the morning meeting, like them 0:47:39.719 --> 0:47:43.359 doing their jobs. Then after that we have these inner 0:47:43.560 --> 0:47:47.560 blocks of interviews and it's like two o'clock and he 0:47:47.760 --> 0:47:50.959 literally just texted me, which is funny that like while 0:47:51.239 --> 0:47:54.239 you were talking about this project. So I go to 0:47:54.360 --> 0:47:58.200 Kyle Heglund you and Cameron. Cameron had played because we 0:47:58.680 --> 0:48:03.719 stopped there on the way for me moving to California, 0:48:04.480 --> 0:48:07.000 and we did before the place opened, and we played 0:48:07.080 --> 0:48:10.640 nine holes there that week. But you know, I go, 0:48:11.040 --> 0:48:13.879 I go to Kyle Heglund at like two and I'm like, hey, 0:48:14.760 --> 0:48:16.680 you think we can play? And it was like it 0:48:16.800 --> 0:48:20.600 was one hundred plus degrees. There's nobody on the golf course. 0:48:21.040 --> 0:48:25.120 Go for it. And I remember we go, we're walking. 0:48:25.200 --> 0:48:27.440 We're the only ones out there, because I remember we 0:48:27.600 --> 0:48:30.880 sat down on the fifteenth tea box, which is the 0:48:31.080 --> 0:48:35.680 furthest point on that side of the property. It's the 0:48:35.760 --> 0:48:38.840 furthest point away from the clubhouse on the whole property, 0:48:38.880 --> 0:48:43.279 I believe, And we're sitting there and we're the only 0:48:43.360 --> 0:48:47.440 ones on the golf course and there's you know, the 0:48:47.600 --> 0:48:51.520 beauty of the sandhills. Is this a vast nothingness? And 0:48:51.600 --> 0:48:53.680 I think we just sat on that tea box for 0:48:53.920 --> 0:48:56.839 like a good twenty or thirty minutes, and I don't 0:48:56.840 --> 0:48:59.520 think we said much of anything to each other and 0:48:59.719 --> 0:49:02.839 just say at in silence, and it was like, I'll 0:49:02.920 --> 0:49:07.480 never forget that we finished. We finished golf and where 0:49:07.640 --> 0:49:10.480 it was a little cloudy and we were waiting for 0:49:10.560 --> 0:49:14.120 the sun and Dick Young's cap and his wife are 0:49:14.239 --> 0:49:18.920 just hanging out on Ben's porch. It was us, Kyle Haglenn, 0:49:19.560 --> 0:49:22.239 Dick Young's cap, who's the founder of sand Hills and 0:49:22.320 --> 0:49:25.640 his wife, so the two people that like started this. 0:49:25.800 --> 0:49:30.319 And Dick Young's cap is telling us about like these 0:49:30.800 --> 0:49:35.960 these amazing stories about digging the mainline irrigation by hand 0:49:36.200 --> 0:49:41.960 himself to build this place, you know, all these early tales, uh, 0:49:42.440 --> 0:49:47.160 you know, hiring Bill Corr and we're doing this and 0:49:47.239 --> 0:49:50.560 then all of a sudden, like this epic explosion of 0:49:50.760 --> 0:49:53.919 sun comes out and we get our footage we need, 0:49:54.480 --> 0:49:57.279 and then we finished shooting and we have a couple 0:49:57.400 --> 0:49:59.600 drinks with Dick Young's Cap and then we go into 0:49:59.680 --> 0:50:03.360 town and go to the hotel and pick up We 0:50:03.520 --> 0:50:05.120 picked up a pizza. 0:50:05.760 --> 0:50:10.600 Pizza, Yeah, there's there's the one twenty four hour gas 0:50:10.640 --> 0:50:11.840 station in. 0:50:11.960 --> 0:50:17.560 Mullin pizza if I remember correctly, from a twenty four 0:50:17.640 --> 0:50:22.000 hour gas station and a six pack of beer. And 0:50:22.120 --> 0:50:26.160 we just sat outside. It was a beautiful night and 0:50:26.600 --> 0:50:30.200 sat outside and like you know, no cars are going by. 0:50:31.120 --> 0:50:34.920 It's one of those like U shaped motels, eating pizza, 0:50:35.200 --> 0:50:37.719 drinking beer on the off the hood of our car 0:50:39.280 --> 0:50:40.719 while just trains passed through. 0:50:41.719 --> 0:50:44.920 Yeah yeah, with the the pizza box on. It was 0:50:45.000 --> 0:50:47.000 either on the hood or on the trunk, right. 0:50:47.120 --> 0:50:50.280 Yeah, Yeah, the six pack was on the hood too, Yeah. 0:50:50.239 --> 0:50:52.800 Yeah, and that was Yeah, It's just a great moment 0:50:53.000 --> 0:50:57.040 after a really wonderful day. Yeah, Dick Young, Stap and 0:50:57.080 --> 0:51:00.400 his wife. I remember we're like raiding the set. They 0:51:00.400 --> 0:51:04.200 had a rating system for sunsets that they were discussing, 0:51:04.760 --> 0:51:06.799 and they gave this one like a seven or an 0:51:06.840 --> 0:51:08.600 eight or something that they had seen better, but it 0:51:08.680 --> 0:51:13.680 was a pretty good one. So yeah, it's I mean, 0:51:13.760 --> 0:51:17.399 what of privilege to even set foot on a golf 0:51:17.480 --> 0:51:21.880 course like that. I've tried to never take that for granted. 0:51:22.680 --> 0:51:25.879 I've gotten to see a lot of incredible places during 0:51:25.960 --> 0:51:28.480 my time in the company that I never imagined that 0:51:28.600 --> 0:51:31.240 I would get a chance to see before I started 0:51:31.280 --> 0:51:36.880 working for Friday, So, you know, an incredible opportunity to 0:51:37.160 --> 0:51:39.600 just get to play the course and spend a little 0:51:39.600 --> 0:51:41.840 bit of time there, but to actually get to know 0:51:41.960 --> 0:51:45.400 Kyle Hegland, the superintendent, get to know the people who 0:51:45.480 --> 0:51:49.040 worked for him, learned something about the community that they 0:51:49.080 --> 0:51:51.520 were all part of, and then to spend some time 0:51:51.600 --> 0:51:56.320 with Dick young'scap himself. It just worked out beautifully and 0:51:56.440 --> 0:51:59.320 we finished the day on the note of you know, 0:51:59.400 --> 0:52:02.239 the pizza beer on the hood of the car. So 0:52:02.400 --> 0:52:05.239 that was really the that was the fall experience there 0:52:05.880 --> 0:52:10.360 and and you a day that I'll never forget that project. 0:52:10.640 --> 0:52:13.279 As an outsider who wasn't involved in the day to 0:52:13.360 --> 0:52:15.200 day like you guys were making these trips out there, 0:52:15.320 --> 0:52:18.719 I was in Chicago doing events or holding. 0:52:18.560 --> 0:52:20.400 It down whatever it was. 0:52:20.719 --> 0:52:22.440 Yeah, there were only four or five of us for 0:52:22.520 --> 0:52:26.280 the time, but I no, no, no, But I remember 0:52:26.680 --> 0:52:29.640 that project sticks out to me too because like we 0:52:29.800 --> 0:52:32.840 had done some events at amazing places, and we'd like 0:52:32.920 --> 0:52:36.480 done some travel and all that stuff. But when we 0:52:36.560 --> 0:52:39.120 actually had like an official project. We were working with 0:52:39.320 --> 0:52:43.560 sand Hills and Valley Neil and for me had someone 0:52:43.600 --> 0:52:46.680 who had only heard about these places or read about them. 0:52:46.680 --> 0:52:49.040 They were just completely mythical. But I knew how well 0:52:49.120 --> 0:52:51.560 regarded they were in the golf space, and I was like, oh, 0:52:51.760 --> 0:52:55.120 some like very serious places are giving us a chance. 0:52:55.600 --> 0:52:58.279 And it was a really cool moment as someone just 0:52:58.400 --> 0:53:01.439 kind of taking in like frieda Egg as a whole 0:53:01.520 --> 0:53:04.560 from inside the company too, because it's like, Okay, maybe 0:53:04.640 --> 0:53:07.319 other people actually kind of see what we're going after 0:53:07.400 --> 0:53:09.759 here and are going to and are actually going to 0:53:09.920 --> 0:53:11.800 give us a chance to work with them in the future. 0:53:12.960 --> 0:53:15.360 Yeah. I think that project was a moment when we 0:53:15.520 --> 0:53:20.600 felt started to feel post COVID, Okay, we're we're cooking 0:53:20.640 --> 0:53:24.600 with gas here, We've got something going here. We've we're 0:53:24.680 --> 0:53:28.120 working with with some incredibly talented people who can make 0:53:28.680 --> 0:53:32.120 excellent content, and we've we've started to resonate in the 0:53:32.160 --> 0:53:35.080 golf industry to the point where we can we can 0:53:35.160 --> 0:53:39.480 go to these courses and make unique things about them. 0:53:39.920 --> 0:53:43.120 And at that point, Brendan was full time. Cameron was 0:53:43.200 --> 0:53:44.279 full time and. 0:53:45.800 --> 0:53:48.040 Full time at that point. Yeah, that was kind of 0:53:48.120 --> 0:53:50.440 on the Okay, yeah. 0:53:50.880 --> 0:53:55.080 He was, he would have started that spring, that's right. Yeah, 0:53:55.360 --> 0:54:01.560 pp you got a favorite story? Uh, I mean or moment. 0:54:02.239 --> 0:54:06.000 There's there's so many of them, obviously from Shotgun, but 0:54:06.360 --> 0:54:09.439 but that's maybe more apropos for that pod. 0:54:09.480 --> 0:54:10.960 I I don't know. 0:54:11.040 --> 0:54:14.320 There so so many of the amusing stories are like 0:54:14.400 --> 0:54:16.880 the mishaps, right, like or the like rough in it 0:54:17.040 --> 0:54:21.279 life that I think, like, I'm not suggesting we have 0:54:21.520 --> 0:54:23.680 we've had a hard go of this at all. This 0:54:23.760 --> 0:54:26.120 has been great and like, but you had to also 0:54:26.200 --> 0:54:28.080 kind of love the game or love the game for 0:54:28.200 --> 0:54:30.880 some of these some of these instances and some of 0:54:30.960 --> 0:54:33.680 the just I mean, you know it's like that the 0:54:33.800 --> 0:54:35.880 pod committing to do it three times a week, and 0:54:35.960 --> 0:54:37.759 where you have to record from and where you would 0:54:37.760 --> 0:54:40.200 produce it from and turn it around and get it out. 0:54:40.280 --> 0:54:43.200 And you know, we we went to and Will was there. 0:54:43.239 --> 0:54:45.279 We went to the Ryder Cup in a freaking RV 0:54:45.520 --> 0:54:48.680 because we're not paying for a house in Wisconsin with 0:54:48.840 --> 0:54:51.800 limited supply and we're living on this RV that anytime 0:54:51.880 --> 0:54:54.319 one of us like rolled over in bed, the other 0:54:54.480 --> 0:54:56.320 end would shake and the like. We had to go 0:54:56.560 --> 0:54:59.680 like thank god, we'd never even touched the bathroom because 0:54:59.719 --> 0:55:02.600 we you know, parked in a country club parking lot 0:55:02.640 --> 0:55:06.240 and used so like or we went to the Open 0:55:06.320 --> 0:55:07.960 and that was like a massive trip. It was the 0:55:08.000 --> 0:55:12.080 first open either of us had ever gone to, and 0:55:12.680 --> 0:55:15.320 I think the first time we gone to Scotland. And 0:55:15.640 --> 0:55:18.080 but but like to make it work, we stretched to 0:55:18.160 --> 0:55:21.200 pay for dorm rooms where you'd have the bathroom at 0:55:21.239 --> 0:55:24.280 the end of the hall, communal like showers and toilets, 0:55:24.400 --> 0:55:26.200 and we both got like the stomach bug. 0:55:26.280 --> 0:55:29.000 We were there. It was the work like, it was awful, 0:55:29.120 --> 0:55:31.239 the best life, but you know, you had some for 0:55:31.400 --> 0:55:34.239 love of the game situations and in. 0:55:34.320 --> 0:55:37.440 Some really creepy houses in Augusta Tood. 0:55:38.120 --> 0:55:42.200 Some interesting ones that I don't even like I had 0:55:42.280 --> 0:55:45.560 the credential via my prior job. Sometimes then I think, 0:55:45.680 --> 0:55:48.880 like then Indy, I don't know, I will got the 0:55:48.960 --> 0:55:50.600 broad yall on one of those I think where he 0:55:50.719 --> 0:55:53.000 was like my mental health that was not good. The 0:55:53.080 --> 0:55:54.680 one at a gate you can only do this loop 0:55:54.719 --> 0:55:56.840 around one little street and he had to go for 0:55:56.920 --> 0:56:01.000 a walk, but it was like this no quarter mile 0:56:01.120 --> 0:56:02.960 loop you just had to do over and over again 0:56:03.120 --> 0:56:04.480 or what I think, Yeah it was. 0:56:04.560 --> 0:56:07.040 I think it was the twenty twenty one Masters. Yeah 0:56:07.080 --> 0:56:09.239 we had a house. Not it was not far from 0:56:09.280 --> 0:56:12.560 the club, but like we you guys had. I got 0:56:12.640 --> 0:56:14.839 it on the grounds one or two times that week, 0:56:14.880 --> 0:56:16.880 but otherwise I was just covering it on social from 0:56:16.920 --> 0:56:20.839 the house. And I remember like they pushed up tea 0:56:20.880 --> 0:56:23.239 times or something. But I needed to get outside. So 0:56:23.800 --> 0:56:26.719 within that little gated community that was effectively two cull 0:56:26.760 --> 0:56:29.480 to sacks, I got my ten thousand steps in and 0:56:29.560 --> 0:56:32.560 effectively a loop, and I counted and it was fourteen times. 0:56:32.680 --> 0:56:34.880 I did this look and I was just like I 0:56:35.000 --> 0:56:37.080 just needed to be outside and then I remember I 0:56:37.160 --> 0:56:39.399 do remember texting you Brendan, and I was like, golf 0:56:39.520 --> 0:56:41.320 needs to start here because I'm going insane. 0:56:41.360 --> 0:56:43.000 It was not good for a mental health. 0:56:43.080 --> 0:56:45.319 I don't know, Yeah, what one what I would throw 0:56:45.400 --> 0:56:48.279 out from a company wide perspective on like the sand 0:56:48.360 --> 0:56:52.719 Hills side of like cooking with gas would be Like 0:56:52.880 --> 0:56:55.440 I think the Kiowa PGA was I don't want to 0:56:55.440 --> 0:56:58.600 say transformational, but like sort of affirming in a. 0:56:58.640 --> 0:57:03.719 Way that like we were we had we weren't out 0:57:03.760 --> 0:57:06.120 of COVID yet, but like kind of coming out of 0:57:06.440 --> 0:57:08.520 like that was the first one where people could start 0:57:08.600 --> 0:57:11.560 coming again and and and like the first time I traveled, 0:57:11.640 --> 0:57:13.800 and like it felt free in a way. But for 0:57:13.960 --> 0:57:15.760 us it was sort of like a proof of concept 0:57:15.880 --> 0:57:20.560 of can you get value from going to professional golf events. 0:57:20.640 --> 0:57:24.160 Of course we know in our golf course architecture, architecture coverage, 0:57:24.400 --> 0:57:26.000 we need to go to these courses, we need to 0:57:26.040 --> 0:57:30.280 photograph them, Garrett and and and Andy and Matten camera. 0:57:30.400 --> 0:57:34.680 They need this continuing education and on the ground education, 0:57:35.280 --> 0:57:38.640 and of course that must happen with professional golf. I'm 0:57:38.680 --> 0:57:41.440 not always sure that's like convinced that should be the 0:57:41.520 --> 0:57:43.480 way should you watch this on TV. Can you take 0:57:43.520 --> 0:57:45.320 more of it in? Is there more value to turn 0:57:45.360 --> 0:57:48.280 something around real quick being at your desk And I 0:57:48.360 --> 0:57:51.000 think it's a mix and match. But that Kia one 0:57:51.160 --> 0:57:53.320 and it was writing on the Friday, it was writing 0:57:53.360 --> 0:58:00.160 for the Friday newsletter video, the Quia video, and then 0:58:00.240 --> 0:58:02.640 like the pods too. It's just like we got a 0:58:02.760 --> 0:58:06.120 lot of insight that I don't think we would have 0:58:06.200 --> 0:58:09.400 gotten from the comfort of our home, and I think 0:58:09.480 --> 0:58:11.800 we started to and sometimes you're at the mercy of 0:58:12.040 --> 0:58:14.920 whatever happens in front of you while you're there. And 0:58:15.200 --> 0:58:17.720 I remember, like Mike Clayton and several others sent us 0:58:17.760 --> 0:58:20.480 messages like God, that was good stuff, like you can't 0:58:21.080 --> 0:58:23.400 that's what we want from you. We want to like 0:58:23.560 --> 0:58:26.960 to be you know, get sort of the point of 0:58:27.040 --> 0:58:28.960 view of being on the ground, be put in your shoes. 0:58:29.440 --> 0:58:31.960 And I don't know, that just developed in a way 0:58:31.960 --> 0:58:34.000 where we got we were in the right places at 0:58:34.000 --> 0:58:36.000 the right times, and it was a little affirming in 0:58:36.120 --> 0:58:38.960 that way for obviously not just Shotguns Start, but the 0:58:39.200 --> 0:58:43.400 the competitive golf operations of the entire company of of 0:58:43.560 --> 0:58:45.800 like going to some of these events and you know, 0:58:45.840 --> 0:58:47.840 obviously it was a historic Major with Phil and everything 0:58:47.920 --> 0:58:49.680 like that, and when we were there seeing the Phil 0:58:49.800 --> 0:58:54.000 Brooks dynamic in that final group, it is amazing. We've 0:58:54.040 --> 0:58:57.920 had an amazing group of majors to cover when you 0:58:58.000 --> 0:59:03.280 think about it, between Tigers twenty nineteen, we had Phil 0:59:03.560 --> 0:59:07.920 at Kiowa, we had Bryce and Rory at Pinehurst, I 0:59:08.000 --> 0:59:10.640 mean the country clubs kind of like the one that 0:59:10.800 --> 0:59:13.720 people don't ever talk about, but what a great, great 0:59:13.880 --> 0:59:16.960 weekend that thing was, and then obviously now you have 0:59:17.120 --> 0:59:22.480 Rory at the Masters. Is It's been an amazing, amazing 0:59:22.840 --> 0:59:25.080 I think that's what you pinch yourself to all these 0:59:25.120 --> 0:59:26.040 events that you've been to. 0:59:26.320 --> 0:59:29.280 Pinehurst. Pinehurst was insane. I mean, pine Hurst was like 0:59:29.320 --> 0:59:31.240 the best major. I've felt like they just keep up. 0:59:31.400 --> 0:59:35.560 Yeah, since basically twenty fifteen, it's been. It's been pretty 0:59:35.600 --> 0:59:38.160 consistently high quality, with just a couple of exceptions. If 0:59:38.200 --> 0:59:41.600 you think about the Majors from twenty ten to twenty fifteen, 0:59:42.600 --> 0:59:46.600 you know it's not nearly the same. So we're fortunate 0:59:46.640 --> 0:59:51.960 in some respects. But that Ko Phil versus Brooks event, 0:59:52.480 --> 0:59:56.520 that was I remember that too as a really great 0:59:56.560 --> 1:00:00.919 moment in the company. Both Andy and Brendan wrote fantastic 1:00:01.120 --> 1:00:04.560 articles after that event about the different dynamics of the 1:00:04.640 --> 1:00:08.400 final round and just talking about golf in a way 1:00:08.560 --> 1:00:11.520 that that I don't see it talked about very often 1:00:11.640 --> 1:00:14.560 with an eye for detail and a sense for what 1:00:14.680 --> 1:00:18.320 it means. That that is pretty rare. And so that 1:00:18.560 --> 1:00:23.600 was you know, that was is twenty twenty one, right, yeah, yeah, 1:00:24.400 --> 1:00:28.320 so it's a while ago now, but still still very vivid. 1:00:30.280 --> 1:00:35.760 One of my favorite memories is from the Pebble Beach 1:00:37.720 --> 1:00:40.400 us Helfen, where Brendan and I have seen it at 1:00:40.480 --> 1:00:44.680 one read house. I slept on a on a pull 1:00:44.720 --> 1:00:50.680 out couch that like just was like a crater, was terrible, 1:00:51.280 --> 1:00:52.960 and it didn't have a sed. It was like an 1:00:53.560 --> 1:00:57.480 insanely hot week and Pebble Beach. It was the week 1:00:57.560 --> 1:00:59.080 that you started, Garrett. 1:00:59.160 --> 1:01:01.880 Yes, exactly. That was the week that I started, because 1:01:01.920 --> 1:01:05.560 it was the it was the week that I was 1:01:05.720 --> 1:01:09.440 moving out of my place on campus at Stevenson School. 1:01:09.920 --> 1:01:11.840 We were we were packing up and getting things in 1:01:11.920 --> 1:01:14.640 the truck, and we were going up to Oregon where 1:01:14.640 --> 1:01:18.280 I now live, and we overlapped for a couple of days. 1:01:18.400 --> 1:01:21.440 You showed up Andy on on Tuesday or Wednesday or 1:01:21.520 --> 1:01:24.840 whatever it was, and we had time to go to 1:01:24.920 --> 1:01:29.240 my classroom and record a podcast. So we we recorded 1:01:29.240 --> 1:01:32.960 a podcast in my classroom, and then you came to 1:01:33.000 --> 1:01:35.360 dinner that night. My parents were there because they were 1:01:35.400 --> 1:01:38.560 helping us move my my wife was there, my kids 1:01:38.600 --> 1:01:41.760 were there, and so that was everybody's introduction to to 1:01:41.840 --> 1:01:43.760 Andy Johnson, this guy that I was going to be 1:01:44.840 --> 1:01:48.400 working for. And they they all very much enjoyed Andy. 1:01:48.400 --> 1:01:50.600 I think they were. They were put at ease by 1:01:50.800 --> 1:01:54.080 by the fact that he seemed like a solid person 1:01:55.280 --> 1:01:57.560 and uh and and not a jerk, you know, so 1:01:57.760 --> 1:02:00.600 they were I think they were reassured by that. But 1:02:00.760 --> 1:02:02.880 then the next day we were we were on the 1:02:02.960 --> 1:02:05.280 road and out of there, so I actually didn't see 1:02:05.400 --> 1:02:08.120 any of the Pebble Beach us open because I had 1:02:08.160 --> 1:02:10.720 to move to Oregon on that very week. 1:02:11.480 --> 1:02:13.760 Do you guys remember the story I wrote that week 1:02:15.160 --> 1:02:18.400 from oh yeah, you timed up Bryson, right, you went clock, 1:02:19.520 --> 1:02:20.200 Oh yeah, and. 1:02:20.240 --> 1:02:22.640 You put a stopwatch to Bryson. I was gonna say 1:02:22.680 --> 1:02:25.720 the hollow Thud article. I remember the Hollow Thud article 1:02:25.760 --> 1:02:28.200 as well, which was a little more serious, I guess, 1:02:28.280 --> 1:02:28.680 but the. 1:02:28.760 --> 1:02:34.680 Stopwatch article is my favorite one ever anyway ever are 1:02:34.800 --> 1:02:37.280 ever doing? I was out there with a notebook and 1:02:37.360 --> 1:02:39.560 I had my phone and I was timing like to 1:02:39.800 --> 1:02:42.760 the to the split seconds on all these guys in 1:02:42.840 --> 1:02:46.080 this group, and it was so funny. I'll never forget. 1:02:46.120 --> 1:02:50.160 I was walking up the sixth hole and some somebody, 1:02:50.640 --> 1:02:54.640 some fan was like, hey, are you Andy Johnson? And 1:02:54.760 --> 1:02:59.840 I'm like yeah, I was like he was like, oh, 1:03:00.200 --> 1:03:02.520 I figured I figured you'd be the only one out 1:03:02.560 --> 1:03:05.840 here timing people on how long they took a job. 1:03:07.880 --> 1:03:10.600 Didn't know me from anyway. 1:03:10.640 --> 1:03:13.240 He just didn't know what you looked like, just the 1:03:13.320 --> 1:03:14.919 fact that you had a Yeah. 1:03:15.440 --> 1:03:17.640 He just was like yes, by the time by me 1:03:18.160 --> 1:03:20.880 sitting there timing and jotting down numbers and you can 1:03:20.960 --> 1:03:22.200 see the whole notebook. 1:03:22.720 --> 1:03:25.280 But this was this was like way before it got hot. 1:03:25.360 --> 1:03:28.440 It can't lay and everybody timing bryceon. Remember that Liberty 1:03:28.520 --> 1:03:31.000 National was a place and that some viral video there. 1:03:31.040 --> 1:03:34.840 That came after Yes, every day basically. 1:03:36.200 --> 1:03:38.800 Yeah, they're they're definitely. There are definitely people who have 1:03:38.920 --> 1:03:43.400 replicated that that idea. To put some numbers to these 1:03:43.480 --> 1:03:44.560 claims about slow play. 1:03:45.800 --> 1:03:51.120 He was averaging like two minutes he was the details. 1:03:51.520 --> 1:03:53.680 I will tell you a quick story from that pebble 1:03:53.760 --> 1:03:56.800 that comes to mind that serting capitulate encapsulates where you 1:03:56.880 --> 1:03:59.840 were in the startup day, like getting there, like the 1:04:00.080 --> 1:04:04.440 the hybrid days. We did not have like the nicest places. 1:04:04.480 --> 1:04:06.600 You said you were sleeping on like a brick rollout 1:04:06.720 --> 1:04:09.480 thing and there was no ac and it was one 1:04:09.520 --> 1:04:11.840 hundred degrees And you'd come back and you'd come back 1:04:11.880 --> 1:04:13.920 from a day of pebble and it was one hundred 1:04:13.960 --> 1:04:16.360 degrees in the house. It was like over ninety on 1:04:16.440 --> 1:04:18.520 the thermostat, and you're like, do what you can't open 1:04:18.560 --> 1:04:23.120 the windows and sort of you I wouldn't say we're 1:04:23.160 --> 1:04:25.040 rough in it, but it's not like the we're not 1:04:25.160 --> 1:04:29.240 staying at the Pebble Beach Lodge. And but you had 1:04:29.320 --> 1:04:33.000 cracked through in a way and established yourself in the 1:04:33.080 --> 1:04:37.640 community or as a golf media person. We sometraction that 1:04:37.760 --> 1:04:41.880 you had a former US Open champion and Jeff Ogilvie 1:04:42.000 --> 1:04:45.960 coming to record a podcast with you at this house 1:04:46.080 --> 1:04:50.160 spartan accommodation. So you're like in this hybrid of like, yeah, 1:04:50.320 --> 1:04:52.840 we're cooking, we're making a name. Jeff Ogilvie No, like 1:04:52.960 --> 1:04:53.600 wants to pod. 1:04:53.720 --> 1:04:56.720 He's a great chat and he comes over and he 1:04:56.880 --> 1:04:59.360 like walks in the door and it's like, I'm just 1:04:59.400 --> 1:05:01.960 sitting on the ouch in this like small room. You're 1:05:02.000 --> 1:05:04.840 gonna go record the pod like over there five feet away, 1:05:05.320 --> 1:05:07.760 and he like looks around. You're like huh. He didn't 1:05:07.800 --> 1:05:11.520 say anything because he's classy and polite, but the look 1:05:11.600 --> 1:05:13.600 on his face and there was like, huh, what's going 1:05:13.640 --> 1:05:16.560 on here? This like kind of dark room was like that. 1:05:16.760 --> 1:05:19.280 That was a great That's sort of an encapsulation of 1:05:19.360 --> 1:05:22.320 where you were cracking through but also still climbing your 1:05:22.360 --> 1:05:25.320 way up. God, do you think about from his perspective, 1:05:25.760 --> 1:05:28.440 I think he had just left Cypress Point where they 1:05:28.480 --> 1:05:32.200 had done a they had done like a champion a 1:05:32.360 --> 1:05:37.479 US Open champions Reunion event has Cypress, and he came 1:05:37.640 --> 1:05:42.000 straight from there to that little one bedroom. Yeah. It 1:05:42.120 --> 1:05:44.800 was like an old fisherman house in Pacific Grove. It 1:05:44.920 --> 1:05:48.120 was just a shack. I mean it. Oh that's good. 1:05:48.360 --> 1:05:48.800 That was good. 1:05:48.920 --> 1:05:51.080 Great pod too. I mean he was game. It was 1:05:51.200 --> 1:05:53.000 just like he walked in this room. I'm sitting over 1:05:53.040 --> 1:05:55.439 there in the corner. It's like dark it's like, what's 1:05:55.520 --> 1:05:56.320 going on right now? 1:05:56.960 --> 1:06:02.320 Anyways, I completely forgot about him. Come over there, all right. 1:06:02.760 --> 1:06:06.640 We could do this for literally like ten hours, I think, 1:06:06.840 --> 1:06:11.320 but I'd love love to hear maybe favorite place that 1:06:11.520 --> 1:06:14.040 you've gone, and it could be any place that you've. 1:06:14.000 --> 1:06:19.560 Gone with Friday. Good question, favorite trip, Favorite place I'll 1:06:19.600 --> 1:06:21.560 go first, all these guys think, I mean I I 1:06:23.400 --> 1:06:26.760 I feel like Northern Ireland should be in the running. 1:06:28.080 --> 1:06:30.800 There have been so many That was a massive trip 1:06:30.920 --> 1:06:34.800 for us, a big one. But when we did that explorations, 1:06:34.840 --> 1:06:37.320 I guess it was last year, March of twenty four 1:06:38.320 --> 1:06:42.680 and I, you know, just getting to play like Woryal 1:06:42.720 --> 1:06:46.200 County down Rollport Rush with you guys. You know, we're 1:06:46.240 --> 1:06:48.040 sprinting and working the whole day, trying to get some 1:06:48.120 --> 1:06:52.760 cultural stuff as well, communal stuff as well, and you know, 1:06:52.880 --> 1:06:56.520 like the whatever number one, three, eight whatever courses in 1:06:56.600 --> 1:07:00.160 the world, pretty good weather during a time when no 1:07:00.240 --> 1:07:03.280 American tourists were around, but also getting the good like 1:07:03.400 --> 1:07:05.960 good enough weather to make it not feel awful like 1:07:06.520 --> 1:07:11.320 that's that's obviously a massively memorable, memorable, memorable trip for me. 1:07:11.720 --> 1:07:14.600 All of us. Getting the the plague at that I 1:07:14.760 --> 1:07:16.840 dodged that I got. I got out. I got away 1:07:16.880 --> 1:07:17.120 from that. 1:07:17.800 --> 1:07:18.640 Some of you guys got. 1:07:21.200 --> 1:07:23.840 I was on the plane on the way home from 1:07:23.920 --> 1:07:27.760 that trip. I was like dying. It like hit me 1:07:28.000 --> 1:07:31.520 mid flight all the way you know, long flight, but 1:07:31.680 --> 1:07:34.360 it hit me like mid flight. I was dying. I 1:07:34.480 --> 1:07:39.680 had on two sweatshirts and a jacket and I was, 1:07:40.600 --> 1:07:43.480 you know, baby, if there's still a listener. But I'm 1:07:43.560 --> 1:07:47.200 like huddled up in the corner and next to me 1:07:47.640 --> 1:07:52.400 is this younger guy. It's like, hey, do you do 1:07:52.520 --> 1:07:56.760 you do the fried Egg podcast? And I'm like, I'm 1:07:56.920 --> 1:08:00.320 so sick. I couldn't talk to anybody, you know, And 1:08:00.400 --> 1:08:03.240 I'm just like yeah, and I just like, don't say anything. 1:08:03.320 --> 1:08:06.040 I huddle away. I always thought, like, I hope that 1:08:06.120 --> 1:08:07.000 guy didn't get sick. 1:08:09.280 --> 1:08:13.360 Another quick vision from a trip would be when we 1:08:13.480 --> 1:08:15.479 went to the Open. And obviously we got to place 1:08:15.640 --> 1:08:18.320 like Great Court, the Mirfield and Gulling and all these 1:08:18.320 --> 1:08:21.000 places before, but we were there for the Open and 1:08:21.160 --> 1:08:22.840 it was the first time you got to see the 1:08:23.560 --> 1:08:25.720 old course and like you walked out and like I 1:08:25.760 --> 1:08:28.400 had a couple people text me like on off the side, 1:08:28.479 --> 1:08:29.320 like hey, can you. 1:08:29.400 --> 1:08:31.320 Like you gotta you gotta get his reaction. You gotta 1:08:31.320 --> 1:08:32.000 get it, like get. 1:08:31.880 --> 1:08:33.680 It, Like I need to see his face when he 1:08:33.720 --> 1:08:36.600 finally gets to the Old Course, and uh, I did it. 1:08:36.720 --> 1:08:39.479 And like so my daughter's birthday today, you look like 1:08:39.800 --> 1:08:41.880 my daughter coming to my wife like put all these 1:08:41.880 --> 1:08:44.320 balloons out in the house and like that she had 1:08:44.439 --> 1:08:47.479 set this scene or Christmas morning and like it delivered 1:08:47.600 --> 1:08:49.840 like that. I'll never forget you walking on the first 1:08:49.840 --> 1:08:51.400 tea of the Old Course. That's that was a fun 1:08:51.479 --> 1:08:54.600 trip you just like honestly that kid kid in the 1:08:54.680 --> 1:08:58.240 candy store like lighting up. Yeah, you started immediately talking 1:08:58.240 --> 1:09:01.640 about the reversible hitting like and Stephen Britton was like, 1:09:01.720 --> 1:09:03.560 of course you would walk out the first thing you 1:09:03.640 --> 1:09:06.840 start thinking about it is a reversible you know frush. 1:09:06.880 --> 1:09:10.720 But that was a we suw kevin na practicing by himself. Yeah, 1:09:11.560 --> 1:09:19.800 that was another trick one singular right right, all right, 1:09:20.000 --> 1:09:20.599 go ahead, guys. 1:09:23.000 --> 1:09:26.040 I mean so many great trips. I'd have to say 1:09:26.360 --> 1:09:30.960 going to Melbourne, Australia last year basically a year ago 1:09:31.400 --> 1:09:35.120 today is when I was over there was an unforgettable 1:09:35.160 --> 1:09:38.360 experience and and just something that I'll be probably talking 1:09:38.360 --> 1:09:41.040 about for for the rest of my life. The number 1:09:41.120 --> 1:09:44.439 of great courses that I saw there I was stunning, 1:09:44.680 --> 1:09:47.760 and the number of really wonderful people that I met 1:09:48.000 --> 1:09:51.160 was was impressive as well. That that kind of Melbourne 1:09:51.240 --> 1:09:56.400 golf community is really something else. So so that, yeah, 1:09:56.439 --> 1:09:59.920 that's that's number one. It's got to be. I also 1:10:00.160 --> 1:10:04.040 loved going to Maine. This is also a fairly recent trip, 1:10:04.240 --> 1:10:06.439 I guess, but it's just always something that was in 1:10:06.520 --> 1:10:08.800 the back of my mind. I'd love to go to 1:10:08.920 --> 1:10:11.679 Maine and play some of these nine holders and write 1:10:11.680 --> 1:10:14.400 about them and take some photos and sort of take 1:10:14.439 --> 1:10:18.200 people along on that experience. And specifically the day that 1:10:18.280 --> 1:10:22.120 I devoted to taking the ferry out to north Haven 1:10:22.200 --> 1:10:26.360 Island and playing a nineteen thirty two Wayne Styles course 1:10:27.000 --> 1:10:29.880 out on north Haven and then coming back on the 1:10:29.960 --> 1:10:33.400 ferry and that being kind of the day that was 1:10:34.160 --> 1:10:38.360 that was wonderful, And yeah, at some point I'm going 1:10:38.400 --> 1:10:41.040 to do full justice to that experience. I've talked about 1:10:41.040 --> 1:10:42.880 it a couple of times and written a thing or 1:10:42.920 --> 1:10:46.840 two about it, but yeah, that's that really jumps out 1:10:46.880 --> 1:10:47.160 as well. 1:10:47.800 --> 1:10:50.280 I think mine are very similar to yours. Gary, Like 1:10:50.600 --> 1:10:54.719 there's not one specific place necessarily that's like my favorite. 1:10:54.800 --> 1:10:58.760 But two trips in particular that jump to mind. One 1:10:59.479 --> 1:11:03.479 is when Garrett, Andy and I we we had hosted 1:11:03.479 --> 1:11:06.680 an event at meadow Brook and Detroit, and all three 1:11:06.760 --> 1:11:09.639 of us went to the events. We came out one morning, 1:11:09.760 --> 1:11:11.720 all like all three of the bedrooms kind of came 1:11:11.760 --> 1:11:13.560 to the same place, and we were all wearing the 1:11:13.640 --> 1:11:17.360 exact same thing, like the same Friday polo and khaki shorts. 1:11:17.400 --> 1:11:18.840 I was like, all right, well, we got to get 1:11:18.840 --> 1:11:19.840 some more stuff in the in the. 1:11:19.880 --> 1:11:20.599 Merg shop here. 1:11:21.800 --> 1:11:28.920 But then also trip we did, yeah because double authentication 1:11:29.439 --> 1:11:32.439 wrecked the world at that time. And we also like 1:11:32.479 --> 1:11:34.960 we went to Oakland Hills and saw Inverness. We woke 1:11:35.040 --> 1:11:36.840 up at like two thirty in the morning or three 1:11:36.880 --> 1:11:38.719 o'clock to drive two hours to Inverness. 1:11:39.800 --> 1:11:41.679 Franklin Hills we also saw on that trip. 1:11:42.080 --> 1:11:45.200 Yeah, awesome trip. And then the other one that sticks 1:11:45.240 --> 1:11:47.640 out would be like I haven't been credentialed at too 1:11:47.680 --> 1:11:49.320 many events, but like back in the day, I went 1:11:49.360 --> 1:11:52.160 with you guys to a couple of majors. And also 1:11:52.240 --> 1:11:54.719 the Michigan trip was when the little Will thing started 1:11:54.800 --> 1:11:55.760 on shak Would started. 1:11:57.920 --> 1:12:00.759 That was remember at that trip make sort. 1:12:00.600 --> 1:12:07.080 Of like Will pretended it was his bead is where 1:12:07.120 --> 1:12:08.000 we'll sleep in the night. 1:12:08.640 --> 1:12:11.880 Honestly one of the best bits because everybody would come 1:12:11.960 --> 1:12:14.000 up to be and Will at events and be like, 1:12:14.360 --> 1:12:16.040 Will's like the same size as you. 1:12:19.520 --> 1:12:23.680 Well, but it's brilliant because it seems like Will when 1:12:23.720 --> 1:12:26.240 you see him, like on a call like this, it 1:12:26.320 --> 1:12:29.840 seems like he could be short. You know, sure's fine, 1:12:30.040 --> 1:12:32.320 it seems like it's possible. It's not that he looks short, 1:12:32.680 --> 1:12:34.760 it just seems possible when you look at him from 1:12:34.800 --> 1:12:37.000 the shoulders up. Yeah, that guy could be short. 1:12:37.360 --> 1:12:39.280 He could be like five four I'm not you know, 1:12:39.479 --> 1:12:40.720 definitely not six' five for. 1:12:40.840 --> 1:12:46.240 Sure, yeah but he's like a completely average sized human male. 1:12:47.479 --> 1:12:49.479 O man that had such a long. LIFE i, mean 1:12:49.520 --> 1:12:51.400 people were at The Ryder cup bringing it up to 1:12:51.439 --> 1:12:53.840 me it was that was good. Stuff but then the other, 1:12:53.920 --> 1:12:57.599 trip that other credential one that would be The brookline 1:12:57.680 --> 1:13:01.400 us open that it was also like a combo, trip 1:13:01.439 --> 1:13:03.160 because that's kind of how we did things back in the, 1:13:03.240 --> 1:13:05.160 Day like we tried to tie our own events to, 1:13:05.280 --> 1:13:07.000 majors which is ludicrous in the. 1:13:07.080 --> 1:13:10.400 Day looking, back we still try to do. That we're 1:13:10.439 --> 1:13:13.200 still trying to tie everything. Together it's, like, well we 1:13:13.360 --> 1:13:15.439 have to be here for. That we can do this. 1:13:15.760 --> 1:13:17.960 Too try to do, that but it's much easier to 1:13:18.040 --> 1:13:19.720 do now that we have a larger. Team but so 1:13:19.880 --> 1:13:22.400 like The, brookline LIKE i went with you guys to 1:13:22.479 --> 1:13:24.360 the first couple of days of the tournament and then 1:13:24.400 --> 1:13:27.040 had to drive To yale because we were doing an 1:13:27.080 --> 1:13:28.639 event that had been delayed for two. 1:13:29.320 --> 1:13:31.240 Years that was an insane. 1:13:31.400 --> 1:13:34.560 Situation, yeah and so god like piecing all of that, 1:13:34.760 --> 1:13:38.680 together like trying to do a major coverage drive run 1:13:38.920 --> 1:13:42.800 to a two wave event that we were, like these 1:13:42.840 --> 1:13:46.560 people had given us their. Money in twenty, twenty the 1:13:46.640 --> 1:13:47.880 world shut down and all. 1:13:47.880 --> 1:13:51.640 It was The Dog, bowl right was we were so. 1:13:52.040 --> 1:13:55.920 EXCITED i remember when that event sold out and they 1:13:55.960 --> 1:13:58.120 had a second, day and then we did it second 1:13:58.240 --> 1:13:59.599 day and that sold out. 1:14:00.120 --> 1:14:03.439 Faster it sold out. Faster it was like twenty minutes 1:14:03.520 --> 1:14:06.360 the first one and then eight minutes the second, one AND. 1:14:06.400 --> 1:14:08.240 I remember we were looking at each Other andy and 1:14:08.320 --> 1:14:12.479 we were, like holy, shit this is, working this is so. 1:14:12.720 --> 1:14:15.160 Great and THEN covid hit and we couldn't do. 1:14:15.320 --> 1:14:18.519 It, yeah it was just it was. 1:14:18.800 --> 1:14:23.320 Heartbreaking but, people like most people who signed up for, that, 1:14:23.600 --> 1:14:26.640 like you, know obviously a fair number of, people you, 1:14:26.720 --> 1:14:29.160 know since the event didn't, happen you, know want it 1:14:29.439 --> 1:14:31.479 would want to reach that would be a reasonable. Thing 1:14:31.760 --> 1:14:36.680 almost almost everybody stuck with, it, Right like a lot 1:14:36.720 --> 1:14:40.040 of people stuck with it and just waited until the event. 1:14:40.160 --> 1:14:43.160 Happened and that was like one of the first indications 1:14:43.240 --> 1:14:49.880 that the community around this company is is really pretty. 1:14:49.880 --> 1:14:53.240 Special and and just the fact that they stuck with they. 1:14:53.360 --> 1:14:56.200 Stayed they signed up in twenty, twenty did the event 1:14:56.840 --> 1:14:59.719 in twenty twenty, two and a lot of people who signed, 1:14:59.800 --> 1:15:03.400 up you know that in that initial wave finally got 1:15:03.520 --> 1:15:05.760 the product two years later and they were fine with. 1:15:05.880 --> 1:15:06.559 It that's. 1:15:06.560 --> 1:15:09.720 Amazing and they only got like half the, product which 1:15:09.800 --> 1:15:11.439 is the craziest part because we were only able to 1:15:11.520 --> 1:15:13.880 do we could only have a maximum of one hundred 1:15:13.920 --> 1:15:16.639 people on property at a time Because yale was still 1:15:17.080 --> 1:15:20.000 extremely strict with their. Rules So i'd be, like if 1:15:20.040 --> 1:15:21.800 you're in the first, wave like you need to be 1:15:22.000 --> 1:15:24.800 off the site by one o'clock because these guys are 1:15:24.840 --> 1:15:27.840 coming in and they're like and, so but not only 1:15:27.920 --> 1:15:30.439 the people coming to the, event but Like, peter who 1:15:30.560 --> 1:15:32.800 is THE gm Of yale like an amazing guy to 1:15:32.880 --> 1:15:35.920 work with and he's like his communication throughout the whole 1:15:35.960 --> 1:15:39.040 process was, great and just like getting to know these 1:15:39.080 --> 1:15:42.360 people throughout the years and their dedication on all ends was. 1:15:42.600 --> 1:15:46.920 Amazing what are the crazier things about that event was 1:15:47.360 --> 1:15:50.599 the period of time when nobody was working At yale 1:15:51.160 --> 1:15:56.320 DURING covid because they had no superintendent and no general, 1:15:56.439 --> 1:15:59.600 manager and people would ask, like what's going on with? 1:15:59.720 --> 1:16:04.800 This and our response would, be there's nobody there to talk, 1:16:04.920 --> 1:16:08.120 to so we don't, know we don't. Know we will, 1:16:08.200 --> 1:16:13.360 refund we will refund your money if you'd. Like we 1:16:13.600 --> 1:16:16.960 plan to have an event as soon as it is 1:16:17.040 --> 1:16:19.720 it as there are people that work. There BUT i, 1:16:19.800 --> 1:16:22.000 mean it was that was a crazy. One, WELL i 1:16:22.120 --> 1:16:24.040 was going to bring up the trip we. MADE i 1:16:24.160 --> 1:16:28.559 picked you up from your your job And Grand rapids 1:16:28.760 --> 1:16:31.880 and we went To Grand, Rapids, michigan d and we 1:16:32.240 --> 1:16:36.080 we stopped at Stouton. BRAY i remember we got beers 1:16:36.240 --> 1:16:39.479 at a bar that had the auction. Prices it was 1:16:39.560 --> 1:16:44.040 like the stock market of beers In. Kalamazoo this is. 1:16:44.160 --> 1:16:44.760 Great what was that? 1:16:44.880 --> 1:16:48.960 Called, yeah not very crashed every hour and beer was really. 1:16:49.080 --> 1:16:51.559 Cheap it was amazing and. 1:16:51.840 --> 1:16:54.759 Uh and then we went to Sto we Played Stoton 1:16:54.840 --> 1:16:57.760 bray in the, morning and then we went to. 1:16:59.320 --> 1:16:59.360 The. 1:16:59.520 --> 1:17:04.719 Mines was it? Yeah and then so it was thirty 1:17:04.760 --> 1:17:08.840 six On, saturday and then On sunday we had thirty 1:17:08.880 --> 1:17:12.560 six again and it was it Was pilgrim's run To 1:17:13.160 --> 1:17:17.160 Diamond springs and all this we were droning everywhere we're. 1:17:17.200 --> 1:17:19.439 Going So I'M i THINK i was carrying around the 1:17:19.520 --> 1:17:23.080 heavy the big, drone the one That will uses now 1:17:23.240 --> 1:17:26.400 The phantom. Four we're A phanom. Three it was a 1:17:26.479 --> 1:17:30.639 big backpack and we were and we uh we played thirty. 1:17:30.720 --> 1:17:34.000 Six i'm effectively double bagging with the with the with 1:17:34.240 --> 1:17:37.840 the uh the. Thing and it was While tiger was 1:17:38.000 --> 1:17:42.120 winning The Tour. Championship so we were walking up like 1:17:42.320 --> 1:17:46.080 the closing stretch Of Diamond. Springs me And will are 1:17:46.200 --> 1:17:50.080 just like huddled around a phone Watching tiger win The 1:17:50.160 --> 1:17:53.560 Tour championship and THEN i you, know we, fly we 1:17:53.640 --> 1:17:57.280 fly the. Drone that, Night will's cooking on the newsletter 1:17:57.600 --> 1:17:59.800 and driving home and then he's going to work the. 1:18:00.320 --> 1:18:03.720 Morning so it just like pure startup, hustle like we 1:18:03.880 --> 1:18:07.800 get away where we just we shot four. Courses we 1:18:08.520 --> 1:18:11.439 we you, Know will's writing the newsletter all the way 1:18:11.520 --> 1:18:14.559 back in between, courses we're talking about like fuddy tweets 1:18:14.560 --> 1:18:17.600 that we could send from The friday. Account, uh just 1:18:17.680 --> 1:18:21.920 like encapsulated startup. HUSTLE i feel LIKE i think. 1:18:21.800 --> 1:18:24.680 That was Also i've been dating my now wife for 1:18:24.840 --> 1:18:27.320 like six or eight months at this, point and Like 1:18:27.479 --> 1:18:29.920 andy AND i had probably seen each other in person 1:18:30.160 --> 1:18:32.360 like two or three, Times like it was not like 1:18:32.439 --> 1:18:34.719 we knew each other really. Well we like we worked 1:18:34.760 --> 1:18:37.639 together after my day. Job BUT i was, like, Yeah 1:18:37.680 --> 1:18:39.400 i'm just gonna go out for a weekend trip With, 1:18:39.479 --> 1:18:42.040 andy and she was AND i, like we really we 1:18:42.160 --> 1:18:45.000 split a hotel. Room we split a hotel. Room and 1:18:45.120 --> 1:18:47.200 that was also WHEN i, learned LIKE i learned some 1:18:47.320 --> 1:18:50.360 quirks About Andy. Johnson like we we finished the first 1:18:50.439 --> 1:18:52.280 day and like we didn't have a hotel room, booked 1:18:52.280 --> 1:18:54.720 and that gave me so much. Anxiety And he's, like, 1:18:54.760 --> 1:18:57.160 oh we'll find a. Place, yeah it, all it all 1:18:57.200 --> 1:18:57.800 works out in the. 1:18:57.960 --> 1:18:59.800 End BUT i was just what IF i get my 1:19:00.080 --> 1:19:04.000 help INTO i remember one Time cameron AND i were 1:19:04.120 --> 1:19:09.160 driving From denver To North, Platte, nebraska which we had already, 1:19:09.360 --> 1:19:11.680 uh which we already, mentioned and we didn't have a 1:19:11.760 --> 1:19:14.519 hotel and we we Called andy and we were, like 1:19:14.840 --> 1:19:17.040 we don't have a. Hotel andy was, like, oh no, 1:19:17.160 --> 1:19:20.400 Problem i'll get you, one and he like called ahead 1:19:20.479 --> 1:19:23.360 and we had hotel rooms that. Night but that is 1:19:23.600 --> 1:19:26.280 that that that is a different way of operating than 1:19:26.479 --> 1:19:28.040 THAN i had been familiar with. 1:19:28.160 --> 1:19:33.600 Before that's we've been, Better we've got. Better we definitely had. 1:19:33.640 --> 1:19:36.679 Apart, YEAH i think the more YOU i would also 1:19:36.760 --> 1:19:38.920 had like had traveled at that. Point so it was, 1:19:39.600 --> 1:19:42.160 like when you're not in the travel, world you don't 1:19:42.200 --> 1:19:44.559 know how easy it is that find hotels in certain. 1:19:44.600 --> 1:19:47.720 Places but, actually the first TIME i Met brendan at 1:19:47.760 --> 1:19:51.360 the twenty Nineteen, Masters andy booked my flight DOWN i 1:19:51.439 --> 1:19:53.840 think like four days ahead of time BECAUSE i didn't 1:19:53.840 --> 1:19:55.560 know IF i was, going BUT i had taken a 1:19:55.640 --> 1:19:57.840 full week off of work SO i could go. DOWN 1:19:58.240 --> 1:20:01.080 i was, LIKE i HOPEFULLY i am, going but everything 1:20:01.160 --> 1:20:01.719 always works. 1:20:01.760 --> 1:20:05.120 Out it's he, stated The Bixby, house The Original. 1:20:05.240 --> 1:20:08.920 BOYS i remember WHEN i loved that. 1:20:09.120 --> 1:20:12.519 HOUSE i remember at landed In chicago for The Ryder 1:20:12.520 --> 1:20:13.160 cup At Whistling. 1:20:13.200 --> 1:20:14.960 STREETS i guess it would have been twenty twenty one and, 1:20:15.040 --> 1:20:17.280 eighties like we've GOTTEN rv and you're driving by the, 1:20:17.320 --> 1:20:18.240 way you got to go pick it. 1:20:18.360 --> 1:20:19.560 Up AND i was like, WHAT i. 1:20:19.640 --> 1:20:22.800 DON'T i Don't i'm not driving this. THING i don't 1:20:22.800 --> 1:20:25.479 want to be. RESPONSIBLE i don't. Drive i've never driven 1:20:25.520 --> 1:20:28.920 anything over like AN sguv or. Minivan, like, no you're. 1:20:29.000 --> 1:20:31.640 DRIVING i was like, no, no And will AND i 1:20:31.800 --> 1:20:32.360 went and picked it. 1:20:32.439 --> 1:20:32.760 Up and. 1:20:34.400 --> 1:20:37.439 The owner was obviously a very interesting character because he 1:20:37.479 --> 1:20:41.400 owns ON rv and uh and, uh you got it 1:20:41.439 --> 1:20:43.880 off some Like airbnb for. RV's i don't know why 1:20:44.000 --> 1:20:45.840 you you went down this rabbit, hole but you were 1:20:45.840 --> 1:20:48.320 an R v boy that. Week BUT i had to drive. 1:20:48.400 --> 1:20:51.040 It and then we're on like the, whatever the beltway 1:20:51.080 --> 1:20:52.559 Around chicago and rush hour and. 1:20:52.720 --> 1:20:55.120 Like this thing's. Bouncing i'm, like Oh, god just get 1:20:55.200 --> 1:20:59.240 us To. Wisconsin so that ended up being a great set, 1:20:59.360 --> 1:21:03.160 up big thing again To Pine, hills the country, club 1:21:03.840 --> 1:21:10.320 the best course of the. Best, yeah and they let 1:21:10.439 --> 1:21:12.560 us park in their parking lot and they kept the 1:21:12.960 --> 1:21:15.439 locker room door open for us that week so we 1:21:15.520 --> 1:21:18.080 could use the bathroom and shower or whatever we. Needed 1:21:18.320 --> 1:21:18.720 it's very. 1:21:18.840 --> 1:21:21.240 Nice we went in the one morning for breakfast or 1:21:21.439 --> 1:21:23.960 like to sit, down and there Was Michael jordan's who 1:21:24.080 --> 1:21:26.439 goes all The ryder, cups and mj was, there you, 1:21:26.520 --> 1:21:28.480 know playing a recreational. 1:21:28.560 --> 1:21:28.720 Run. 1:21:29.520 --> 1:21:33.160 Yeah, god that place is. AWESOME i feel like a 1:21:33.280 --> 1:21:34.080 full time event. 1:21:34.160 --> 1:21:39.200 There we're we're reminiscing about the startup days fondly, here 1:21:40.040 --> 1:21:44.400 but we are we're a different kind of company. Now 1:21:44.479 --> 1:21:46.360 we have a lot more colleagues than we used to 1:21:47.439 --> 1:21:51.280 and they are very professional and it has kind of you, 1:21:51.360 --> 1:21:54.600 know streamlined us and organized us in a way that 1:21:54.720 --> 1:21:58.439 we just weren't capable of and a few years. Ago 1:21:59.000 --> 1:22:02.640 And i'm very great for. That it's although although you 1:22:02.840 --> 1:22:05.800 kind of miss those days when you would when you 1:22:05.840 --> 1:22:08.559 would just kind of slap together things at the last 1:22:08.640 --> 1:22:12.519 minute and and do everything. Yourself you, know there's there's 1:22:12.560 --> 1:22:16.040 part of you that misses. That but we're we're definitely 1:22:16.120 --> 1:22:19.840 in a better place, now ye where we can do 1:22:20.600 --> 1:22:24.320 so much, more so much more, efficiently because of because 1:22:24.320 --> 1:22:26.639 of all the people that we work with that we've 1:22:26.680 --> 1:22:28.800 been able to bring on in the past couple of 1:22:28.880 --> 1:22:31.720 years who have just frankly been better at a lot 1:22:31.760 --> 1:22:34.040 of this stuff than we. 1:22:34.200 --> 1:22:34.320 Are. 1:22:35.120 --> 1:22:39.760 YEP i hope this pod was. Listenable it was just 1:22:40.000 --> 1:22:44.040 us reminiscent. HERE i don't know if anybody asked for, 1:22:44.160 --> 1:22:48.320 this but this is what you got. Today big thank 1:22:48.400 --> 1:22:53.960 you to everybody who has, listened who has done anything 1:22:54.439 --> 1:22:57.680 in support of Frieda, egg whether it's even just tell 1:22:57.720 --> 1:23:02.839 a friend about about what we. Do this all wouldn't 1:23:02.880 --> 1:23:06.040 be possible, without you, know the people on our. Team 1:23:06.120 --> 1:23:09.360 but more, IMPORTANTLY i always say this at, events is 1:23:09.479 --> 1:23:14.679 like if nobody ever listened or, read we wouldn't be doing. 1:23:14.800 --> 1:23:20.919 This AND I i'm a Huge i'm just eternally grateful 1:23:21.600 --> 1:23:26.040 for everybody that's listened read for the years and and 1:23:26.240 --> 1:23:29.559 made it possible for us to build this great. Team 1:23:30.400 --> 1:23:34.120 And i'm really really excited about about the next ten 1:23:34.200 --> 1:23:40.400 years and you, know us continuing to push ourselves to 1:23:41.000 --> 1:23:44.640 produce better and better stuff for you guys and and 1:23:44.760 --> 1:23:48.439 tell more stories authentically and and you, know kind of 1:23:48.920 --> 1:23:53.639 in our. Way SO i appreciate. Everybody the last twenty 1:23:53.680 --> 1:23:56.760 four hours has been just, say you, know kind of 1:23:56.800 --> 1:23:59.920 pinch me moment of thinking about what what the last 1:24:00.080 --> 1:24:02.600 ten years have. Been and thank you guys on this 1:24:02.800 --> 1:24:05.760 podcast and everybody on our team for all the hard 1:24:05.840 --> 1:24:08.760 work over the, years it wouldn't have been you. KNOW 1:24:08.960 --> 1:24:11.000 i think that the best THING i can say about 1:24:11.040 --> 1:24:14.640 our staff is THAT i never wonder if anybody's not 1:24:14.800 --> 1:24:18.760 working hard and AND i think that's the number one 1:24:18.840 --> 1:24:21.320 thing you don't. HAVE i don't have to. MIND i 1:24:21.520 --> 1:24:26.719 never had to micromanage anybody and never have really doubted 1:24:27.160 --> 1:24:31.479 what people are. Doing and that's the dream as somebody 1:24:31.520 --> 1:24:36.000 who runs a. Company so thank you, everybody and uh 1:24:36.479 --> 1:24:39.960 we'll be back next. Week and uh big thanks TO. 1:24:40.040 --> 1:24:44.559 Pj big editing day FOR. Pj another another another important 1:24:44.640 --> 1:24:49.200 hire over the. Years but thank you to, everybody and 1:24:49.560 --> 1:24:53.320 we'll be back next week with WE i you, know 1:24:53.600 --> 1:24:56.479 we have ten year. Merchandise we did the original. Run 1:24:57.600 --> 1:25:00.960 we did a run on. Original our FIRST t shirt 1:25:01.560 --> 1:25:06.439 is A Sukumba Berry watt design with an. Angles it's 1:25:06.520 --> 1:25:10.000 modeled after the fourth hole At woking is the whole 1:25:10.080 --> 1:25:15.280 design on. IT i love THAT t. SHIRT i ordered 1:25:15.320 --> 1:25:18.360 myself a new. ONE i have one of the. Originals 1:25:18.400 --> 1:25:21.240 it's free worn out at this. Point and then we 1:25:21.320 --> 1:25:25.240 have ten year hats which are just Like Friday established twenty. 1:25:25.320 --> 1:25:28.200 Fifteen if you want to get in the celebration, mood 1:25:28.800 --> 1:25:32.679 but thank you, everybody and thank you guys for jumping 1:25:32.760 --> 1:25:33.519 on and chatting with. 1:25:33.640 --> 1:25:33.760 Us