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Speaker 1: This is ridiculous history, a show based in Atlanta, a

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Speaker 1: city that loves brunch. I promise I'm going somewhere with this. Hi.

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Speaker 1: My name is ben my name is nol and ben

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Speaker 1: um egged me up before you go go there we go,

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Speaker 1: There we go. Lego my egg, egg go give me

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Speaker 1: back my eggs? Yes, okay, Well after the show, you'll

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Speaker 1: pry these eggs from my cold dead hands. Eggs. Right,

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Speaker 1: when you think of brunch, or when you think of breakfast,

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Speaker 1: you typically think of a few things, and one of

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Speaker 1: the main stars of the breakfast pantheon is going to

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Speaker 1: be the humble, ubiquitous egg. Are you? Are you an

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Speaker 1: egg fan Benedict Florentine omelets scrambled a poached egg fan

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Speaker 1: of recent times and not like a good old boiled

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Speaker 1: egg myself. So yes, yes, I'm an eggenthusiast. You're an

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Speaker 1: egg enthusiastal Earlier before we hopped on air for this episode,

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Speaker 1: we were talking about the type of food preparation known

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Speaker 1: because it's strange when you think of deviled eggs or

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Speaker 1: deviled ham, and there's a curious story for that. But

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Speaker 1: that is not the subject of today's episode. Today's episode

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Speaker 1: hinges upon the importance of eggs and you, being enthusiast

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Speaker 1: right bit of an egghead. You've been in situations where

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Speaker 1: you have to wait in line for brunch or something.

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Speaker 1: But you're not the type of guy to fight over

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm, I'm moving on and that's mine. That's the

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Speaker 1: the uh and the bakery in the middle, and the bread,

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Speaker 1: eggs in the milk food staples. And back in San Francisco, California,

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Speaker 1: during the gold Rush time in the early eighteen fifties,

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Speaker 1: Because the forty Niners, as they were often called, these

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Speaker 1: in a vein of gold. And as we know now,

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Speaker 1: it's true that some people did find gold, most did not.

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Speaker 1: We should be very clear about that. But as Noll

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Speaker 1: has begun to paint the picture for us here, what

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Speaker 1: they all found was a very difficult environment to live in.

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Speaker 1: You know, there were a lot of people asking for

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Speaker 1: the same resources, and as we've seen in other historical instances,

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Speaker 1: this triggers inflation, This triggers price gouging. The otherwise humble

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Speaker 1: It's true, like you say, you know, everyone wasn't gonna

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Speaker 1: strike it rich. In fact, most didn't. In an article

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Speaker 1: you know, to fill that demand, little food huts kind

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Speaker 1: right And there's an excellent article by Emmilin Roude writing

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Speaker 1: egg prices get too high. In this article, she discusses

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Speaker 1: And those birds are the common mures. Yes, the common

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Speaker 1: But there's still to this day these islands are home

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Speaker 1: be so cool to see in person. There's actually an

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Speaker 1: spots all kinds of fantastic wildlife. Um. The islands were

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Speaker 1: UM by sailors, and that's because they were particularly treacherous

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Speaker 1: actually formed uh between eighty two hundred million years ago

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Speaker 1: back to what you mentioned. Specifically, we're looking at a

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Speaker 1: Ben there are thousands and thousands of them nesting and

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Speaker 1: in a different boat and be lifted via crane onto

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Speaker 1: the island. Crane is in a human built crane, not

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Speaker 1: a not a bird. That would be infinitely cooler. That'd

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Speaker 1: be cool of a completely absurd uh. And you know,

431
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 1: sweep sweep the leg, sweep sweep the leg. I can't

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Speaker 1: believe did you just cobra kai references? So what we

433
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: do also want to point out here is that despite

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Speaker 1: their success in re growing the population and recovering the

435
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 1: population of the common mure, the fact remains that as

436
00:26:55,920 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 1: we record this, there are fewer common mures on the

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Speaker 1: island then there were before the Gold Rush, more than

438
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty years ago. Yeah, and there there

439
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: had been around four hundred thousand. There's another stat that

440
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 1: I saw, and it dwindled down to closer to six

441
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 1: thousand because of this just rapacious behavior by these eggers.

442
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 1: And I have to say, I don't wanna, I don't

443
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 1: want to put you on the spot here, Nol, but

444
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: it's very interesting to me that your pro egg because

445
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: you're so anti bird. I am very anti bird. Um.

446
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 1: I Also, when I eat chicken, I don't like to

447
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: think of what it used to be. Yeah, I do

448
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: like chicken, though, um Ben, do you know what actually

449
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 1: finally put a stop to this, uh, this unchecked egging. Well,

450
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 1: I hope this isn't a quisters segment. I'm gonna say,

451
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: chicken farming. You got it, um, Chicken farming became a

452
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 1: thing in nearby Petaluma and became a huge industry, and

453
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 1: that took the pressure off for getting that sweet, sweet

454
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: protein thankfully. Yes, And this felt like a too little,

455
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: too late situation initially because as we said, the population

456
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: had dropped, but luckily the birds were able to recover.

457
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Speaker 1: And after this titular event, this this war, which lasted

458
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Speaker 1: historians guest around twenty minutes, actually still not the shortest

459
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Speaker 1: war in history, but that's a story for a different day.

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Speaker 1: After this war, the eggers continued to work on the

461
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Speaker 1: island for another couple of decades, about twenty years, until

462
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Speaker 1: they were finally evicted in eight eight one. But the

463
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: trade didn't stop even then. It persisted for a number

464
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Speaker 1: of years afterward. Yeah, and even today. I mean I've

465
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Speaker 1: heard of people going, you know, they visit San Francisco

466
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: or no about like they called summer gull egg season

467
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: or something like that, so you can get you can

468
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: get fresh gull egg. It's probably super illegal. It's poaching,

469
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Speaker 1: I think, right, would you have ever eaten a goal egg?

470
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I think I think the most exotic

471
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: egg I've ever eaten was a quail egg. I don't know.

472
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: I don't see why not they It just seems like

473
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: they taste weird. I don't know. If it's not an

474
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: endangered species, I think egg wise, I would generally be okay.

475
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: But also when we have been traveling, weather for work

476
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: or weather for fun, anytime we're near a large coastal area,

477
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: goals are like the roughest characters you're gonna meet. I

478
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: was actually in San Francisco a little less than a

479
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Speaker 1: month ago for work and goals. I think are probably

480
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Speaker 1: the source of my bird phobia. And when my grandfather

481
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, my grandfather UM would have

482
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Speaker 1: the gulls swarm me on the beach. So when I

483
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Speaker 1: was in San Francisco, I always look askance, Yeah, you

484
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 1: could throw bird bread crumbs in the I have this

485
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: memory of being a little kid and seeing these things

486
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Speaker 1: die bombing me from the sky. Um, And I think

487
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: that is the source of my my fear. Um. But

488
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: when I'm out west, I always look askance at those

489
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: creepy guys. I feel like they're always trying to come

490
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: at me, their eyeballing me from the side and plan

491
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: their attack. That's a harrowing experience. This is the first

492
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: time you told me that story. I'm glad you're okay.

493
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: It might all just be coming back to me now,

494
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: like literally this moment I finally see the source. It's

495
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 1: like I'm being flooded with all this emotion and memory.

496
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: I can tell, I can tell it's it's written in

497
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: large font on your in your body language. But I

498
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,719
Speaker 1: promise you this casey and I and hopefully you as

499
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: well fellow listeners, will protect you and will not throw

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00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: bread at you. Please don't, um Ben. I really enjoyed

501
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: this episode. I thought this was a really fascinating story

502
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: with a lot of fun little side nuggets. UM. So

503
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: I think we can wrap it up, but I would

504
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: love it if we could do a couple of listener mails.

505
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: That sounds like a great idea. You want to do

506
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Speaker 1: one each? That sounds good, sir. I will go first,

507
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: Ben to get mine out of the way, because mine

508
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: is a message of shame. UM. J. Robert Joseph wrote

509
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Speaker 1: in very kindly, and he mentioned this about our four

510
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Speaker 1: g T forty Enzo Ferrari versus Ford, the second UM

511
00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 1: Podcast episode UM, and he had a little correct and

512
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: for me. He said, quote you mentioned that cars in

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Speaker 1: the twenty four hour lament went around two fifty miles

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Speaker 1: per hour at that time nineteen fifty. Only one car

515
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: had broken the two hundred mile per hour barrier. It

516
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: was the Sunbeam one HP back in nineteen seven, but

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00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: until nineteen eighty seven no other car hit two hundred

518
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Speaker 1: miles per hour with the Ferrari F forty. UM. The

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00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: time period you mentioned in the podcast was circuit nineteen fifty.

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Speaker 1: At that time, the average lap times of a Laman's

521
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: car was eighty nine miles per hour, with the fastest

522
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: laps being done at hundred and two. Small detail, but

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Speaker 1: I'm a little bit of a petrol head. Thank you,

524
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Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna read you my response that I

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00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: wrote to j Robert Hi there. First off, let me

526
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: put on my best Homer Simpson voice when I say

527
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: I am admittedly and I even admitted on the podcast

528
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: not a petrol head, and somehow got that stat utterly wrong.

529
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Speaker 1: I'll be sure, and mentioned on the next one we record,

530
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: thanks for listening, and here I am doing that thing,

531
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Speaker 1: So thank you very much for the correction. You're absolutely right,

532
00:31:55,640 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: and yeah I screwed up. Don't beat yourself up, and

533
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: thanks for checking. I want to okay, Well if you

534
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna throw bread at you either way. We

535
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: had another We had another mentioned that in the two

536
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Speaker 1: thousand sixteen Lament that we mentioned towards the end of

537
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: that episode we said Porsha placed first, Porsche placed first

538
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: in its class, and Ford placed first and third in

539
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: its class, so it was not all a hard luck story.

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Speaker 1: But thanks so much for writing in, sir. We have

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Speaker 1: one other email that fascinated all three of us, Casey

542
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: Nolan myself, and it is from a you mean Hello.

543
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of the podcast. My name is

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Speaker 1: you Me, and I'm a Japanese American raised in the US,

545
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: but born and currently living in Japan. I just finished

546
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: listening to the CAPS episode and I wanted to comment

547
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: and share some insight into emoji. I'm an English teacher,

548
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: but a believer in descriptivism over prescriptivism when it comes

549
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: to language, which I love that point. I completely agree

550
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: with you you Me continues. As I teach in Anish

551
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: school that allows non native teachers. We all use the

552
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: texting app line capital L I N E, which is

553
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: Japanese and predominant form of texting in Asia. But on

554
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: top of that, my main source of understanding emoji use

555
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: actually comes from my experience with dating apps. I used

556
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: a few internationally popular ones. I live relatively close to Tokyo,

557
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: so I had a few observations I think you might

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Speaker 1: find interesting. I'm not going to read the whole thing,

559
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: but I'm going to do some excerpts here. Uh the

560
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: hands folded together. These are used to mean please by

561
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: Japanese people, often put at the end of the request.

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00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: It's the suggested emoji when I type please into the

563
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: line app, the eggplant emoji, which is infamous here in

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Speaker 1: the States, by the way, was says, you mean universally

565
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: used by creeps outside of Japan, as well as mixed

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Speaker 1: Japanese people. But Japanese nationals have no understanding of the

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00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: racing meaning unless they have friends overseas. Same with the peach,

568
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: and she goes on to talk about how the tear

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00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: or splash emoji in Japan is used when someone is

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00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: feeling awkward, much like other sweat drop emoji. That's an

571
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: anime all the time to do. Whenever you see someone

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00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: that's struggling with something or stressed out, they'll have little

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00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: sweat lines coming out of there. Yes, exactly, and uh

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00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: Umi ends by saying another important note, not everyone uses

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Speaker 1: standard emoji anymore. For example, users of Line will use

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00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: their own emoji set called stamps or stickers. There are

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00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,760
Speaker 1: tons of them, and users can even purchase special large

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00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: one specific to shows and games they like. I've attached

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Speaker 1: screenshots of my own apps showing just the original set

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00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: which we checked out, and uh Umi ends up by saying,

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Speaker 1: I hope you have a great day regards. Thanks so

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00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: much for writing to us. I I find the evolution

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00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: of language, especially in the realm of emoji, endlessly fascinating. Oh. Absolutely,

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00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: And I think too, it's interesting that the set that

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00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: comes stock on you know, most phones, um iPhones at

586
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 1: least um are you know, there are some characters in

587
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: there that are pretty intensely Japanese and that I am

588
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: still not. Like, there's a couple of food items that

589
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: I don't even think I've ever seen before. One thing

590
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,240
Speaker 1: that's funny, and I've probably experienced this to. My girlfriend

591
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: has an Android and I have an iPhone. Are emoji

592
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: sets do not match? When I send her something that

593
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 1: looks a certain way for me, it does not look

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00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: the same for her. And there are a few that

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00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: have problematic differences. Yes, yeah, I agree. Like there's one

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00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 1: that's sort of the Spanish dancer lady doing doing like

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00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: a move and on her end it's a little like

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00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 1: a little boy doing like like a b boy doing

599
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: hip hop dance moves, um like breakdancing. It's so strange

600
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: because I used to have an Android too, and I

601
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: would notice this and when we were in group chats

602
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 1: or something, or when I was texting someone or I

603
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: would receive a text and I think, what the what

604
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: the hell is this is this? What story are you

605
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: telling me? I thought we were going to meet at

606
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: the barbecue place. There's another one that like, when it

607
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: comes on my end, it looks like an I roll.

608
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: And I said something to her about something that happened

609
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: with my daughter that I was just talking about, you know,

610
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: being a dad and saying something dorky, and she sent

611
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: me this eye roll and I'm like, that's so mean,

612
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: But it was not. That didn't look that way on

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00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: her end. It looked like a wide eyed or happy

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00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 1: face or something like that. So you know, careful, uh,

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00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: Android versus iPhone users, Um, you might be sending mixed

616
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: messages and not even know it. And give somebody the

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00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt if they send you something that

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00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 1: you think is crazy town. That's true. Elephant's in the

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Speaker 1: screenshot of what it looks like on my phone back

620
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 1: to her, so that we're on the same page. We've

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00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 1: kind of learned to do that. That's a good policy,

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Speaker 1: and that's where we're going to end our listener mail,

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Speaker 1: but not our show. We of course want to thank

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00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: Casey Pegru and we want to thank Alex Williams for

625
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: composing that fan favorite theme, and regular contributor Laurie L. Dove,

626
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: who wrote a hundred and fifty years ago Men Killed

627
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 1: for the eggs of these birds on how stuff works.

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Speaker 1: And most importantly, you, specifically you, not a general, yes,

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Speaker 1: you and you listeners for tuning into a another episode

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Speaker 1: of ridiculous history. I really hope that you enjoyed this

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00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: episode about the egg war, because in our very next episode,

632
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: we're going to be diving into another bit of food

633
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 1: crime history. Yeah, with the sorted tale of bootleg Margarine.

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00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: I wanted to use remember we're talking about this, I

635
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 1: wanted to use the phrase butter smuggler just because it

636
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: sounded cool. I like it, but it's Margarine. It's okay,

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00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 1: I just still say it. Butter comes up. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna spoiler. We're gonna be waiting to slip that

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Speaker 1: one in there, and we might even have a surprise

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Speaker 1: guest who you may ask, will this guest be Well,

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Speaker 1: there's one way to find out. Come hang out with us.

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Speaker 1: Thanks guys,