1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season fifty, episode five 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: of Dirt Daily's eight Guys for Friday, September two thousand eight. 3 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 1: Team my names Jack O'Brien aka Return of the Jack. 4 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: Come on, Return of the Jack O'Brien, Return of the Jack. 5 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 1: Here I am. You know that I'll be Jack. That 6 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: is courtesy of Christie mcgoucci main and I'm thrilled to 7 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: be joined as always, buy my co host, Mr Miles 8 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 1: Gray in the gravy. Miles will sail the seventh seasoned 9 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: in the gravy. He'll put this gangit ease over this 10 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: bullshit that we just saw. D C in the grad 11 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: just had all that other ship. But thank you to 12 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: add Devon Jay size for them on kind of on 13 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: the village people wave right now, Yeah, because I like 14 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 1: all the occupations that you represence. So yes, shout out 15 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: to you Devon Jay. Well, we are thrilled to be 16 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: joined by two amazing comedians. We got little dam in 17 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: the house. It's Jamie Loftus. What's up not? Everything's going great? 18 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: I think yes, the world is good. Women one we 19 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: did it just kidding. I've got someone gave me a 20 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: new AKA. Can I use it. Yeah, Lebron Jamie. It's 21 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: simple but effective, like King James, Queen Queen James, Queen James, 22 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: Queen James. Uh. And we're also thrilled to be joined 23 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: by Noah garden Chwarts. What's up? Man just came up 24 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: with my own ak. What you know about that? Oh? 25 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: What you know about that? What you know about I 26 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: know all about that? No, no who got to come? 27 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: Oh Man, that's the song that I'm more familiar with. Uh. Well, great, Noah, 28 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:55,559 Speaker 1: before we get to know you a little bit better, 29 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: You're gonna be doing our over under and Jamie is 30 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: third host to day. Uh. But we just wanted to 31 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: tell people what we're gonna be talking about. We're gonna 32 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: be talking about that bullshit we all just watched the 33 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:14,079 Speaker 1: Kavanaugh hearing. Dr Blassie Ford's testimony. Uh, and then appropriately enough, 34 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: we'll be talking about the stake ums Twitter rant. But 35 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: that's about it. Those are probably the two biggest things 36 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: in this mostly the stakes Twitter natural transition. But yeah, 37 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: we're doing like an hour on the stake comes Twitter. Yeah, 38 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: I mean, like you just said, we already did the 39 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: bit about how everything solved now after the weird display, 40 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: So steaks is a frozen sandwich. Guys, I'm not sure 41 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:40,519 Speaker 1: if you've heard about it. We'll get into that later. Yeah, myles, 42 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 1: we'll be giving the entire history of just can't can't. 43 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:54,839 Speaker 1: I thought it was dog food. Myself texted me about that. No, uh, 44 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: dog food? But first, no, what is something from your 45 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: search history that is revealing bad who you are? The 46 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: two things I searched last night was the Pieta, which 47 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: I believe is a sculpture by Michaelangelo because I was 48 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: reading this book called My Name is astra Lev and 49 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: they kept referencing it and I had never heard of it. 50 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: And I also had to google the Rams defense because 51 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 1: I'm playing them in Fantasy football tonight. You want to 52 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: see about I keep to leave injury? And so I 53 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: went real highbrow low brow with my search history there. 54 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: What is the PA looks like somebody holding somebody? Yeah, 55 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: I believe they're holding Jesus, Mary holding Jesus. Yeah, Mary 56 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 1: holding Jesus, buddy, which would explain why I didn't know 57 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: a lot about it. Yeah, yeah, man, what's wrong with you? 58 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: You're such a bad You're not a fan of my 59 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: man j C. Come on, bro uh putting words of 60 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: my mouth here. You know who else is it? You? Jesus? 61 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: Was that in a meet the parents like you're a 62 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: good company? Yeah you know? Uh wow uh, And we'll 63 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: be saying wow for the rest of this episode. What 64 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: is something you think is overrated? No? Overrated? Outdoor weddings. 65 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: Put it out there. I recently got engaged and there 66 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: was a lot of discussion, and I that was, like, 67 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: the one thing I put my foot down is I 68 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: am in no way having to worry about rain or 69 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 1: bad weather or it being too hot in me and 70 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: all my groom's been sweating. Like, there's so little you 71 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,599 Speaker 1: can control on that day. Let me control the elements 72 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 1: right right. Outdoor weddings. Do you know what part of 73 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: the country might be getting married in? I know exactly Denver, Colorado, 74 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: And so my fiance wanted like a mountain view and 75 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: I was like nope, Like yeah, yeah, the compromises at 76 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: the party. I think we're gonna have a photo booth 77 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: with the red rocks green screen. Dave Matthews is playing 78 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: the weddings. Hell. I don't think I've ever been at 79 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: an outdoor wedding where I didn't sweat through at least 80 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: my shirt just because there always Yeah, it's just never. 81 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: And the one outdoor wedding I've been to in Colorado, 82 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 1: I swept through my whole suit. It was sore embodies. 83 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: And also it's like, I get it, beaches, mountains, it 84 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: can all look beau, but people act like they've never 85 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 1: seen a beach or never seen the mountain. Right. You 86 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 1: see it for a minute and then it's over. Yeah, 87 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: it's funny everyone outdoor wedding. One of the last ones 88 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: I went to very hot one before that fucking rained, 89 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: and like was like I had to give up my 90 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: jacket to like so someone else didn't have to get 91 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 1: all their hair and ship messed up and so I 92 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: ended up with like a silk dress shirt and jacket. 93 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: And I was like, and in the history of outdoor weddings, 94 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: is there ever been anyone that was like that was 95 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: a perfect day. I have been to one it was amazing, 96 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: but it was in Guatemala, so maybe it's just America. 97 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 1: I went to one that was almost perfect, except it 98 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: was too hot during the thing. And also you have 99 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: to worry about the your grooms men's taste in sunglasses 100 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 1: because that into factor and like those are never good 101 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: like you need somebody like Jamie who has like dope 102 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: minimal hacker I wear, yeah, minimalist sunglasses. Say all that 103 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 1: to say team indoors. When you say that, it makes 104 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 1: you think you had a groomsman who had like those 105 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 1: Oakley over the top sunglasses that went like literally hugged 106 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: everybody has. Yeah, the sunglass of the woman that called 107 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: the cops on the Oakland Barba. Yeah, the wrap around type. 108 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: And then one dude has the flip upshades when the 109 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: bread's coming down? Whoa its commercial? Duane Waynes, Daye Waynes. 110 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 1: What is something you think is underrated? Underrated? Taco Bell? 111 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: Being Burritos had one on the way over here, the 112 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: being Burrito though. Yeah, that Taco Bell gets a lot 113 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 1: of love on this show, but I don't think enough 114 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 1: people have talked about the being burrito. That's why it's underrated. 115 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: It's a vegetarian option, isn't it. Yeah, it is a 116 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,919 Speaker 1: vegetarian option. It's inexpensive but filling. It's not like you 117 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: never feel gross after eating this because when you start 118 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: eating that quote unquote meat, right, that's when it gets 119 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 1: so when your stomach gets defeat. Did you say, are 120 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: you vegetarian. You just did to avoid the worm meat. 121 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: No I am. I am recently vegetarian, but but I 122 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: like I grew up in a kosher home, so I 123 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: was allowed to meet anyway. So I just grew up 124 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: on the being burritos, and I've always loved them. It's 125 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: like a security blanket for me. Yeah, you said you're 126 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: recently vegetarian or reasonably vegetar. Recently, in the last six months, 127 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:31,119 Speaker 1: I went vegetarian. How you doing, man? Good doing fine? 128 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: I found your fast food. I'm still awake and strong 129 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: enough to make it like you left the How you been? 130 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: Is it all right? Is it cool out there? It's fine, 131 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: that's not scary, like the preacher says. So yeah, at 132 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: my wedding, it's gonna be indoor. We're serving being burritos. 133 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: I'll bring my own, you know what I mean. And finally, 134 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: what is a myth? What's something people think is true 135 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: that you know to be false, what I know to 136 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: be false. People think it's true is that Ikea will 137 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: break up couples or that Ikea is the instant couple fighter. 138 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: I actually think I actually think Ikea brings couples together. 139 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: I think it's an awesome place to go with your 140 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: significant Damn, that's such an optimist squid looking at it. Yeah, well, 141 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: you know, I feel I feel like you should have 142 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,239 Speaker 1: a shared vision of the space you're trying to create, 143 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: and on top of that, go get a delicious meal 144 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: at the cafeteria afterwards. Has such a beautiful may there. 145 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: I think there is like a spectrum of ways to 146 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: react to going It is a test test, but you 147 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: can but it's a passable test. Yeah, but it's up 148 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: to you how you respond, because you can get upset 149 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: and be like, well, then that's it, we hate each other. 150 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: Or you can be like, well, let's look at while 151 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:38,959 Speaker 1: we're mad and let's try and figure this out. Well, 152 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: I'm saying, I don't even understand where you're in. The 153 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: fighting comes from. We were having there's just so many 154 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: options to go and so is my partner her majesty, 155 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: and we have competing visions for the future. So when 156 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: we have to go there, it's like a reckoning where 157 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: we have to reconcile, like our very divergent views of 158 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: like furniture and things like that. So and but like 159 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: I said, it's a test where we then learned a compromise, 160 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: but I can't say that it's like we walk in 161 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 1: there in this rainbow city. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. 162 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: I'm generally indifferent towards most things. I'm not gonna fight 163 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: tooth and nail over a couch as long as it's 164 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: comfortable to sit on, and I'll let her pick the colors, 165 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: right right. The last time I went to Ikea with 166 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: with someone, we were it was getting contentious that we 167 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 1: will passed the TV where the Aristocats was playing, and 168 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: we're like, oh, this is perfect, watched twenty minutes of 169 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: the Aristocats and we're back to one. We'll start again, 170 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: right right, But yeah, did you go there for anything? 171 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: But like we went there for curtains, you know, we 172 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: were looking for like a bed frame. There was another 173 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: competing visions issue. See it's luckily there though too Like there, 174 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: it's either like you have when you know your budget, 175 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,079 Speaker 1: it's easy to make a decision because there's only probably 176 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: three things in your budget and there's just a lot 177 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 1: of reasonable options, right. But it does. It tends to 178 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 1: happen in a relationship when things are going up a notch. 179 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: And I think the reason it has its repute patient 180 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: is because some some relationships aren't ready to go up 181 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: that notch. This would be a great branded podcast with Ikea. 182 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: They give us one thousand dollars and find a couple. 183 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: We let them to a shopping spree, but we record 184 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: everything and then no one can do like a postmortem 185 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: with them, like how'd that go? Like how you feeling 186 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: about this? I felt good about that. I feel like 187 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: the few times I've done this podcast that if I 188 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 1: tried to bust you guys are kind of on board 189 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: with So this is the first one where I felt 190 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: like I actually no, yes, like you guys felt like 191 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:28,719 Speaker 1: I KEA was a fight starter. Yeah no, But then 192 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: you made me look at my horse ship and be like, 193 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: am I just being cynical? And I up the problem 194 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: is and I'm tearing up the divorce papers in my bag. 195 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: After the thank you, we've all learned something. The night 196 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: stands not worth it. Alright, guys, let's talk about the 197 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: ship show. We just watched Kavanaugh D day as we 198 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:57,559 Speaker 1: have it labeled on our document for the day. Uh so, yeah, 199 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: I don't know first impressions. What are you as the thoughts? Well, 200 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: I guess for people, let's just give you a recap 201 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: if somehow you've been living on our fucking rocks. So 202 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: today was a day that Brett Kavanaugh and Christine Blassie 203 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: Ford were both going to give testimony to the Senate 204 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: Judiciary Committee where they would talk about her allegations or not. 205 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: And you know, like we talked about yesterday's episode, the 206 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 1: GOP so bravely chose a woman prosecutor to cross examine 207 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: Dr Ford so they would avoid really having any clips 208 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: of them that are usable in an attack. Ad really 209 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: is what that was, because there are no optics of 210 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:35,839 Speaker 1: them being like, what did you think, Chuck Grassley, I'm 211 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,439 Speaker 1: sorry off top yo, my man, we have to have 212 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: term limits. Like this guy is a like even Pat 213 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:43,319 Speaker 1: there's a lot of older people in the Senate where 214 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: you're like husks, yeah, man, husks that are just withering 215 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 1: in the wind, and you're like, just like we have 216 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: moved on and you've stayed fixed, like cartoon versions of 217 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: old men. Yeah, like the exaggerated cartoons I could have. 218 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: Chuck Grassie came off like a dude arguing whether or 219 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: not he's allowed to take his leftovers from All you 220 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: can Eat buffet. We was like, I, well, I paid for. 221 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: This is your Salisbury steaks, so I should be able 222 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: to take it home and just bread. Like it was 223 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: every now and then he would interject with it, and 224 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:14,439 Speaker 1: he could not, despite the fact that they had it 225 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: set up so that he would not, you know, interact 226 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 1: in any negative way with women, he could not stop 227 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: interrupting women. It was just NonStop because a lot of 228 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: I mean not that it is just like not a 229 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: shock and if anyone is shocked at people interrupting women 230 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: in uh any space at any point, at this point, 231 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: it's like fucking grow up. There's no more if I 232 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 1: and I was thinking about this today of like, uh, 233 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: very rarely, like people are not really expressing that much 234 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: surprise at this happening. Now. Now it's just happening, and 235 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: you make of it what you do. Something that bothered 236 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: me about the coverage of this story, uh that we 237 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 1: were we were all watching it the CNN Live and 238 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,959 Speaker 1: uh again it's like the twenty four news. Our cycle 239 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: is treated like fucking ESPN a lot of the time. 240 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 1: But that felt like especially on display today where there 241 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: was one point towards the end of the hearing where 242 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: they like took a five minute break and they cut 243 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: to like a fucking ESPN table full of commentators who 244 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: were all taught, Like you could have literally switched out 245 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: Kavanaugh and Ford or even like men and women with 246 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: any two sports teams, and it was indistinguishable. And it 247 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 1: was just just it's it's so weird and conflicting where 248 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: it's like, it's this incredibly important moment, but it's also 249 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: being treated and at some point played for by people 250 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:48,959 Speaker 1: I fundamentally agree with as entertainment. And you know, like 251 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:52,839 Speaker 1: the even in you know, the big theatrical court, you know, 252 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 1: people save their headliners for last, and you know, you 253 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,439 Speaker 1: see Ted Cruz comes out at the very end, and 254 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: and Booker comes out at the very end, and just 255 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: the whole fucking production of it. And and that was 256 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: something about Christine Plasi Ford's um testimony that I found 257 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:15,199 Speaker 1: very compelling is that, I mean, aside from all the brave, 258 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: horrendous ship she has to relive again for this fucking 259 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: national stage, just acknowledging that like, yeah, no one wants 260 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: to do this, and to an extent, she's being asked 261 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: to perform for better or worse for everybody, and and 262 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: drudge up all this fucking trauma for everybody that she 263 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: says at the beginning, like I don't want to do this. 264 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: I don't want to be here and for and and 265 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: and like you know, she she doesn't want to perform 266 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: for people because to some extent, every person in that 267 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: fucking room is performing something. And some of them are 268 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: performing something I agree with some of them are, but 269 00:14:54,360 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: all of them are performing. Lindsey Graham got his performance. Um, 270 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: she was incredibly compelling and very very human. It was 271 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: like an island of humanity in the middle of all 272 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: this grandstanding and you know, Dannatt, Dannatt, all right, it's 273 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: time for the main event. Like everybody was just really 274 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: treating it like you know, and then they would get 275 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: the uh, you know, faux solemnity and be like this 276 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: is very serious issue, but like it was definitely treated 277 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: like the fucking Super Bowl is well yeah yeah, yeah. 278 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: And even like the brevity like pundits offer, like saidden 279 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: that they have a moment to laugh, it's still kind 280 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: of shitty when you were really looking at what this 281 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: situation is. And I feel like even I remember as 282 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: I watch it and like trying to sort of to 283 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: deflect my own discomfort and like embarrassment as a man 284 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: in a society where this is how women are treated, 285 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: we're just sort of being like, yeah, like this is 286 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: fucking shitty. I feel like watching it, I just like 287 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: this seems like the worst way to actually mediate something 288 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: like this. But again, it was clearly like this part 289 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: is in dog fight thing wherever one had their combatant 290 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: in there and whatever, the collateral damage to these people 291 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: didn't matter because they like they're playing another game two 292 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: outside of this, which is for the Republicans when the 293 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: culture war stacked the Supreme Court and the Democrats is 294 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: just like, let's just try and block as much as 295 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: the ship we can. And like, I guess these these 296 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: two people happened to be the conduits for that to 297 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: all go down in. But yeah, it was. It was. 298 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: It was one of those things too, like even as 299 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: you talk about the commentary, people would go into like 300 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: her performance performance his performance. Yeah, And and there was 301 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: there was like one SoundBite that was like, well, as 302 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: we know historically, the women always lose, and I'm like, 303 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: you could just put in a fucking football team name there, 304 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: what are you Someone in CNN said that the women, 305 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: the women like the rams are the bears, Like it's 306 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: just fucking ridiculous the way these stories are covered. I mean, 307 00:16:57,520 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: that's not the huge point here, but it was something 308 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: that uh stuck out to me, especially on viewing this today, 309 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: and even like you know, like us and and the 310 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,360 Speaker 1: whole world gathered around it like it's a sports game. 311 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 1: It's it's to a degree, it's like you it's so 312 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: important and we all need to be watching, but it's 313 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:19,159 Speaker 1: also disturbing the way that we all consume it and 314 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: the and the I don't know, yeah, well it's like 315 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 1: a cultural super Bowl Sunday where everyone's like new people 316 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: were like taking time out of the day to watch 317 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: it because it's a very important moment. What Dr Ford 318 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: did is very important, and but you think to like 319 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 1: it also, we were reading stories about people who uh 320 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 1: Nick was telling us about, like you know, women who 321 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: were watching and brought to tears hearing her testimony, but 322 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: they were Trump supporters and after they kind of wipe 323 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 1: their tears and when were like, yeah, but you know what, 324 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: I still don't think I think having not still be 325 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 1: confirmed like it was, people were still compartmentalizing what was 326 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 1: going on to service this like culture war, this zero 327 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: sum game where they either the Democrats win or the 328 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 1: Republicans win, and that's it. That's all. They're only looking 329 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: attitude that prison. That's a lot of the unfortunate part 330 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: about it is no matter what happened today, people's minds 331 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 1: were made up going into it, And unfortunately, I think 332 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,880 Speaker 1: we've all grown so cynical to know that, like it's 333 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: probably not going to change anything. Yeah uh but but 334 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:18,959 Speaker 1: I think if we were all too place bets right now, 335 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: I would assume his information is going to go through. Unfortunately. 336 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 1: I wrote last night just as I was like thinking 337 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,120 Speaker 1: about what was coming up, and also we were coming 338 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: off of that Trump press conference where he just like 339 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: did trump jazz like but like really unhinged and didn't 340 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: really seem to be coherent for two hours. I was 341 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: like thinking about how people responded, and you clearly saw 342 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 1: like everybody who I know was like, what the funk? 343 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: This guy is clearly unhinged and a lunatic. But the 344 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: the other side was like, this is why we elected him, 345 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: And I do I really do think that we're at 346 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 1: this point now where it's it's not just that like 347 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: people are. I think we tend to think that the 348 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: other side sees what we see and they're just like 349 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:10,159 Speaker 1: wilfully ignoring it or like bluffing and just pretending like 350 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 1: something else happened. But I honestly think they legit like 351 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: see something different. Their brain is absorbing different information. Well. 352 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 1: It is a double edged sort though, because like a 353 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: lot of the a lot of the post conference commentary 354 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 1: was talking about how if their performances, for lack of 355 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: a better word, were flipped and he was really composed 356 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 1: and polite and she would have come out belligerent and 357 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: argument of and combative, people would have been talking about 358 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:38,400 Speaker 1: how horrible it was that she was that way, while 359 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: a lot of people are also saying the Republicans were 360 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: relieved that the fact that he came out guns blazing 361 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: and took a really strong stance. And so it's like 362 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 1: exactly what they're saying they liked about the way he 363 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: approaches exactly what she would have been blamed for had 364 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: she had taken on that kind of time. Oh yeah, 365 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: it's like Brett Kavanaugh is like too emotional to be 366 00:19:55,080 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: a hysterical man. And that's the other takeaway is I 367 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:05,679 Speaker 1: think he's guilty, But regardless of whether he's found guilty 368 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: or innocent of this I think the lack of composure 369 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 1: he showed at this press conference is an entirely different, 370 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: less important discussion on why he might not be fit 371 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: for the Supreme Court. And also there I forget which 372 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 1: Democratic senator brought this up, but there there was. It 373 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 1: might have been I don't want to get wrong, but 374 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 1: there was one person who brought it to his attention, 375 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: you know, with that like, you know, applying it to 376 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 1: his own job of like if you were looking at 377 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 1: this situation objectively and you think what's happening is okay, 378 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: you're a bad judge, Like you want the best evidence, right, Yeah, 379 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 1: I think it was, Yes, it was, And it was 380 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: like that was one of the more cogent points I 381 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: thought made in this entire thing to him at least 382 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 1: if like, you know, you can deny, deny, deny all 383 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: you want, but like you're not even doing good at 384 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:56,880 Speaker 1: the job you're supposed to be elected to at that moment. 385 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: And when Durbin was calling him out about like basically 386 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: saying just opening self up to the FBI investigation, you're 387 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: saying you're willing to clear your good name right and 388 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 1: take any necessary measures to do that. Will you let 389 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: on the FBI investigation. That's when he was like as 390 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: clumsily stumbling over his words and evading questions. Yeah, more 391 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: at that point than any other point. Ye, it seems 392 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: like the two like each each the Democrats and Republicans 393 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: had their their strategy, and for the Republicans it was 394 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: just hammer this point in that Diane Feinstein sat on 395 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: this allegation to the zero hour and then suddenly sprung 396 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 1: it on us. Yeah at the at the at the 397 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: zero hour, that's not fair, Like, what's that about? It 398 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 1: doesn't that's irrelevant. And like they started this started the 399 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: day out like giving her timeline from her perspective exactly 400 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: forwards perspective, and it was you know, she didn't want 401 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: to come forward. She know it was gonna ruin her life, 402 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: but she eventually did because you know, she felt like 403 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: it was her civic duty. But they kept going back 404 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: to that idea that here, we're going to take a 405 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: quick break, we're gonna continue talking about this right when 406 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: we get back. And we're back. And so something we 407 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: talked about heading into on yesterday's episode was, uh, that 408 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 1: TV is a very volatile, you know medium that can 409 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: go in a lot of different ways. That aren't necessarily 410 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: representative of what's happening in the room. Like the people 411 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: always say that Nixon verse JFK debate where supposedly Nixon one, 412 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: but because he looked like shit, he was ugly and sweaty, 413 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:45,719 Speaker 1: people are just like, yeah, funk that guy. And Howard 414 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: Dean's like scream where like in the room nobody nobody 415 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: heard it, but because he was like miked up, it 416 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 1: sounded louder than it was. But anyways, I would just 417 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: say upfront that she was amazingly compelling, like as a 418 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: as a witness, you know, and just yeah, like we said, 419 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: came across as human. And he you know, this was 420 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: his third try at it. And I do think that 421 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 1: if he had had the same you know, energy that 422 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: he had had during his hearing, where it was like 423 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: clear he was like evading and you know, sidestepping that 424 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: it probably wouldn't have gone well for him because they 425 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,400 Speaker 1: needed something like if he looked at Fox News after 426 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 1: her testimony, it was literally like looking at the home 427 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 1: teams like Network when they're getting the ship kicked out 428 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: of them at halftime. They were just like they were 429 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 1: just like that was not good. That was not good 430 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 1: for Republicans. She was incredibly believable. And then you know, 431 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: they needed some change shift in energy. They couldn't just 432 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: have him come out and say denied, denied, deny. They 433 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: needed like something and he yeah, he came out with this. 434 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 1: It was really weird. It was definitely something. It was 435 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: angry and cry it's bad. Well yeah, off top, he's screaming. 436 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: So if you just juxtaposed to their demeanor as they go, 437 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: I am having trouble controlling the volume of but yeah, 438 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 1: you could just tell that one person was clearly speaking 439 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: from a sincere place, from their own personal experience, and 440 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 1: another person was very defensive and evasive and just could 441 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,479 Speaker 1: not you know, like we were saying, if this, if 442 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,879 Speaker 1: he's truly innocent, and you were about to be a 443 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: Supreme Court justice, I would imagine the demeanor of that 444 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: person say, I can't believe I'm here, this is unsubstantiated. 445 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 1: I would have I would like I would love to 446 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: have an investigation done to clear my name. Not I 447 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: like beer and if feminist texted me, therefore I'm innocent. 448 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 1: Like it was all this, like he just went down 449 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: this list of really lame arguments like the the new 450 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: like I had a friend who was sexually assaulted, therefore, 451 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: how could I be some kind of He also really 452 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 1: made sure to hit on what dude's names, drug history 453 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: and talking about yeah, basically discredit that they would get 454 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,120 Speaker 1: him to speak. He fucking came in like ally weak, 455 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 1: ask ally attempts blazing. I was personally offended. He was 456 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 1: wearing a pectel cast T shirt. The entire the entire 457 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 1: was like that, no one's going to fall for that ship, 458 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: like the pushy gray. It was ridiculous, but they're typical 459 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: pandering the whole like tenor of that just sounded like 460 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: the you know, the dying like breaths of someone who's 461 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: drowning and someone who feels like the the rules have 462 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: changed in the middle of the game for them, That's 463 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: what we were saying. Yeah, Like every time the Republican 464 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 1: to speak to him, it was like two toxic bros 465 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: being like, Yo, I'm so sorry about this man, like like, well, 466 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: it started out with and then they were just immediately like, yo, 467 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 1: she's not right because her line of questions sort of 468 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,159 Speaker 1: almost affirmed that there may have been an assault. And 469 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: then well and and when we're talking Rachel Mitchell, Yeah, 470 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 1: when she said to Christine Blossiford at the end, you know, like, 471 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: do you know this that what we're doing is not 472 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: the best way to address this problem? And it's like, yeah, 473 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 1: I think we are all on some level, no, but 474 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 1: we're all watching it, so like it was funny to see. 475 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: I don't know, I almost took that as her acknowledging, 476 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: like almost taking a shot at Republicans, like, yeah, they're 477 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: also now. I think she probably felt like, damn, this 478 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: is even crazy for me because I'm usually prosecuting offenders 479 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: and now you're having me cross examine a victim. I 480 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: don't know how the funk she I mean, I don't 481 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,120 Speaker 1: know much about the history of how she got involved 482 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 1: in this trial, but what a strange thing to watch 483 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: because by the end it's like she's she's certainly not 484 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: helping the team. She's there to help, but she's not. 485 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 1: I mean, she's not helping anyone. She's just sort of 486 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: like wandering around this discussion. So they wanted to portray 487 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,239 Speaker 1: this whole thing as a court case so that they 488 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: could say, well, you haven't proved beyond kept on reiterating 489 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: you are not on trial. You are not on trial. 490 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 1: He but her rhythm was that of an actual court 491 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: case where you have all day to you know, cross 492 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,479 Speaker 1: examine and examine the witness. And it was just too slow, 493 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 1: I think. And it's more fucking theater that is not 494 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 1: necessary and and the it is. It was funny hearing 495 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,400 Speaker 1: the like this is you're not on trial and repeated 496 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,919 Speaker 1: to Kavanaugh especially of like you know, this isn't a trial, 497 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 1: but you know, like it is. The onus is on 498 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: her to prove that she was raped, which is just that, 499 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: which is I mean not for everyone, but it's pretty 500 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 1: common knowledge of That is why it is so hard 501 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: to get rapists prosecuted, because it is so hard to 502 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 1: have physical evidence, because it's a fucking epidemic. Uh. And 503 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 1: you know, thirty six years after the fact is not 504 00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: at all unusual. There was no something that I was 505 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 1: was really bothering me today was and and and you 506 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 1: know it's to to us and probably all of our listeners, 507 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 1: this is very clear. But it wasn't until the past 508 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: like three or four years, there was even language to 509 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 1: describe it and people who even sort of wanted to listen. 510 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 1: So thirty six years ago, anyone expressing like oh, well, 511 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 1: why is she just bringing it up now, it's like, dude, 512 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: First of all, there's evidence that it's not the first 513 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 1: time she's bringing it up. But also there were no 514 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: systems in place that were effective and there still really 515 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: aren't for this even happen to like be taking care 516 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: of in any which way where it's like, I, I 517 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: have an experience like this that happened five years ago, 518 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: and even then when I was going to my school 519 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 1: and going to the city of the police of the 520 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: city I was living in at the time. This was 521 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: in two thousand fourteen, and there was still no clear 522 00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: way and I had not received any education on uh, 523 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 1: if this happens, this is what you do. So this 524 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 1: is so new of the fact that you would even 525 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: report this in a in a public way and expect 526 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: a result of some sort and and so the fact 527 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 1: that I don't know it's I've talked about it with 528 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 1: my mom a lot. I'd be interested in because Christine 529 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 1: Bozzy forwards my mom's age and my mom, I mean, 530 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: my mom had an experience like this when she was 531 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 1: eighteen that you just started talking about like a month ago, 532 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: because you know, in the late seventies, people did not 533 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: talk about this ship just didn't happen, and the way 534 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 1: this went down started to jump in. I think the 535 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,479 Speaker 1: way this went down is just an example of how 536 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 1: we've still not sorted out how to address these issues, 537 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: because even in this case where there's there there, in 538 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: the past, there's been protocol like maybe we investigate yeah 539 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 1: that much, but now we're jumping to conclusions without all 540 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: the evidence. And again we're in a situation where we're 541 00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 1: just leaving it is like, well, we kind of know 542 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 1: what we know and then let's just do it's a 543 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 1: push or whatever it is. I do first of all, 544 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: I'm sorry you went through that, Jamie, And I do 545 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: wonder because this was such a like triggering just the 546 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: testimony and then having you know, the her attacker. They're 547 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 1: just like being so angry and shouting like I do 548 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: want to they say that Anita Hill triggered like the 549 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: year of the woman in the in Congress. With a 550 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 1: lot of women running for office, I do wonder how 551 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: much this will have some sort of impact like down 552 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: the road, especially if he gets confirmed tomorrow morning or 553 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: if they vote him. Uh, preg me if I'm wrong, 554 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: But there's already a record number of women running for Yeah, no, 555 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: but I think it could. I think still not going 556 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 1: to be, though, I mean, I do wonder if there 557 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 1: will be like a big hope. You think that the 558 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 1: GOP's brand is so beyond repair at this point with 559 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: any rational person, right, anyone who may have been you 560 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 1: would have thought that for the last three exactly and 561 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 1: well and I and I get amazed every time, and 562 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: that could be me just being a little too idealistic. 563 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: But yeah, I again, I think what we saw there 564 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 1: people who clearly are gonna believe what they need to 565 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 1: believe in the name of self preservation, and other people 566 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 1: were just in a constant state of disgust through the whole, 567 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 1: not necessarily even in just like a from a political standpoint, 568 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 1: but like what you're talking about the fact that there 569 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: aren't the laws in place, that we don't have the 570 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 1: institutions in place to address this sort of thing, really 571 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: that not sufficiently at this point, like that women will 572 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 1: become more involved in the law, and the fact that 573 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 1: an assault case of of sorts is still being treated 574 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: on this circus like level to be is just like 575 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: more proof positive that people don't know how to handle 576 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: these situations, because there's no world in which a nationally televised, 577 00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: and the fact that people are, you know, of comparing 578 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: it to the I Need Hill case, which is very 579 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 1: I mean, the parallels are very clear. But it's like, okay, 580 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: so we're going to deal with this in the exact 581 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 1: same way thirty years later. Why why have there been 582 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: why have the systems in place not improved or changed 583 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: at all? They're like the way things happened today. I mean, 584 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 1: even the fucking Republican prosecutors said, this is not how 585 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: justice or truth is. You know, this it's just not 586 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 1: and it's not fair to the victim at all. Where um, 587 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 1: you know, Christine Blazzie Ford was saying, you know, it's 588 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 1: it's such a difficult decision and uh, victims ideally should 589 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: have agency over how they come forward. And and she 590 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: was not afforded that it was a time crunch and 591 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: it she had to agonize over the decision. And you know, 592 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 1: even in the movements of the like last week with 593 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: the why I Didn't report hashtag, were so many women, 594 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 1: um and victims in general were coming forward their stories. 595 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 1: Those are such powerful movements that I think open a 596 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: lot of eyes and and does net good for the culture. 597 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 1: He goes, uh, but also I do think that the 598 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 1: culture and culture to culture do on the fourth weg 599 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: But but but in all seriousness, even those hashtags that 600 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: are so powerful are still putting the responsibility on the victims, 601 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 1: and it puts the responsibility on us to say, you know, 602 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 1: prove that this is something that's been happening by revisiting 603 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 1: memories that are very painful that in all likelihood if 604 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: they were reported, we're not handled correct, And that way, 605 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 1: I think we've regressed. You know this farm we still 606 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 1: do the same. I think there's a lot of value 607 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 1: to social activism on social media, like the hashtags. I 608 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 1: think they're affective for a lot of people. But at 609 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 1: the same time, there is an echo chamber effect where 610 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 1: all it's doing is the people who are pre shape 611 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 1: those hashtags are just reading them and either being triggered 612 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 1: or angered by the prevalence of how often you see 613 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 1: it or how frequent they are, and the people who 614 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 1: could actually learn from them or are in denial about 615 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 1: those stories aren't actually paying attention to the hashtag that 616 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 1: becomes popular, I mean, and I guess that that turns 617 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:22,240 Speaker 1: sort of into a discussion of like, who are these 618 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 1: hashtag movements? For necessarily as like, I don't know when 619 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,760 Speaker 1: I when I tweeted out on on like a believe 620 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 1: victims or so I believe survivors, or why I didn't 621 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 1: report or something like that. You know, I'm not necessarily 622 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: hoping that that gets to someone who's disagrees with me 623 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,320 Speaker 1: or doesn't believe me. It's more of like a community 624 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: building thing and supporting each other. And you know, hopefully 625 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 1: if someone who was maybe on the fence about something 626 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,879 Speaker 1: like that but knows me and trust me, that can 627 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 1: be a push forward for some guys that want to 628 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 1: high school with that. I need you to talk to 629 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 1: for me, just to kind of bring them over, make 630 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,719 Speaker 1: them more progressive. That's the thing that I worry that 631 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,879 Speaker 1: I wonder about too, Like you say, no, like there 632 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:08,720 Speaker 1: are people who need to actually confront these these kinds 633 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 1: of societal problems we have. But there's clearly a version 634 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 1: of America where you can operate in this bygone era 635 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 1: where you don't have there is no reckoning still and 636 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 1: I like this was a moment you think obviously that 637 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 1: it shows how far how little we've actually moved forward 638 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 1: that they could have said I'm sorry, Like as a 639 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 1: like this just on a human level is bullshit or whatever, 640 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: But clearly again there are they're competing versions. And even 641 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 1: like we said when they were so apologetic to Brett 642 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 1: Kavanaugh and things like who's your empathy for? Yeah, you know, 643 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 1: and that whole idea, Yeah, I can't believe they're changing. 644 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 1: They're calling fouls now all of a sudden, there's a 645 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,759 Speaker 1: great New York Times opinion piece about how America has 646 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 1: a hympathy issue where we only feel sympathy for powerful 647 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 1: men and like if a president gets like assassinated or 648 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,839 Speaker 1: brought down by scam, then we really empathize with them. 649 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 1: But because that's like we're a misogynist culture that you know, 650 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 1: when you look at the movies, the people we put 651 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 1: in the main character who we're supposed to identify with 652 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,879 Speaker 1: or tend to be men right sucking don drapers and ship. 653 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:20,400 Speaker 1: There I one more thing to say about how these 654 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 1: how the pressure is on victims to to come forward 655 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:30,200 Speaker 1: and say shit is I mean, the the idea. I 656 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 1: was talking about this with a friend of mine the 657 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,239 Speaker 1: other day where we were sort of revisiting you know, 658 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 1: it's almost been a year since Semi Too movement and 659 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 1: so much has moved forward and so much has absolutely not. 660 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,400 Speaker 1: And we were just talking about like how having to 661 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 1: do this over and over and over because like it 662 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,400 Speaker 1: is like, okay, so we just have to fucking dust 663 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 1: off are like rape trauma every fall and like compose 664 00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 1: another fucking thing every fall to remind people Like but 665 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 1: that is how this movement is work. And and every 666 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,759 Speaker 1: victim has a you know, it's every every situation is 667 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 1: so unique. And I think for me, especially towards the 668 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 1: beginning of working through that trauma, social media was helpful 669 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,719 Speaker 1: and it felt like one of the only places where 670 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,000 Speaker 1: I could speak for myself and not feel like, you know, 671 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 1: things were muddled and horrible. But you know, it's I 672 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,040 Speaker 1: feel like in in the couple of years since I've 673 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 1: started talking, I've been you know, talking about it for 674 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,520 Speaker 1: three years or so, but even in that time, the expectation, 675 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 1: I feel like there's almost an expectation that you have 676 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,239 Speaker 1: to talk about it now, not like this is an 677 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,160 Speaker 1: option that's available to you where you sort of have 678 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 1: autonomy over what you say. UM so uh fun that well, 679 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,920 Speaker 1: that that was something I that was something I struggled 680 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:57,400 Speaker 1: with during um that everything that happened today is I 681 00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 1: was on Twitter, you know, as a comedian, my feet 682 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,320 Speaker 1: is just full of comedians and so many Like I 683 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,680 Speaker 1: understand trying to bring levity to a difficult situation. That's 684 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,360 Speaker 1: at the heart of what we do, that's so important, 685 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 1: But at the same time, there's so many people they 686 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 1: were clearly taking today as an opportunity to just try 687 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:18,000 Speaker 1: to craft the perfect joke without offending, but still really 688 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,839 Speaker 1: kind of making a joking. At the end of the day, 689 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 1: it was like very clear that their objective today was 690 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 1: not to understand or not to listen or to form 691 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:26,960 Speaker 1: an opinion, but just to make sure that they got 692 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,319 Speaker 1: three thousand retweets and like that. That entire culture within 693 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,920 Speaker 1: the comedy community is so gross to me. And so 694 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,879 Speaker 1: it's also like, I know there's a lot of people 695 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,120 Speaker 1: looking at certain people's social media feeds like how are 696 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,239 Speaker 1: they not saying anything? Why wouldn't And it's like I 697 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,840 Speaker 1: left this entire thing alone because I didn't want to 698 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,040 Speaker 1: take part in that circus of like making sure that 699 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,800 Speaker 1: you're crafting the perfect job, even if you're shipping on Kavanaugh. 700 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,640 Speaker 1: You know, it's like just watch it and in formulate 701 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,160 Speaker 1: a thought. Guilty of that, I think part of it too, 702 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,880 Speaker 1: at least for me personally, was I of, you know, 703 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,880 Speaker 1: there is such a level of frustration that I have 704 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 1: looking at this and many other aspects of what's going 705 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,320 Speaker 1: on with the government, that that was a definitely a 706 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 1: way for like to awkwardly deal with my discomfort in 707 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,279 Speaker 1: a way that is a way that I've expressed that 708 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,879 Speaker 1: just historically as a person. But yeah, I totally agree 709 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:19,920 Speaker 1: like part of it too. I'm just like, as as 710 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 1: I was saying to Jamie, two is like there's still this, 711 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,520 Speaker 1: yeah that we there's a spectacle version where I'm and 712 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,759 Speaker 1: that's sort of how I've been inundated with media too 713 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,880 Speaker 1: that you know, there's I can see it for what 714 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,440 Speaker 1: it is, and then there's a layer I can step 715 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:36,880 Speaker 1: back from and I go and this is a thing 716 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,279 Speaker 1: to comment on two And it's not I guess, just 717 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,440 Speaker 1: for my own comfort, can selectively engage with certain elements 718 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,160 Speaker 1: of that. Like one is to actually talk about the 719 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,279 Speaker 1: merits of what is actually happening. The other is a 720 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 1: spectacle of it, because on part of it is seeing 721 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:54,439 Speaker 1: how shamelessly people on the right, sometimes on the left, 722 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,400 Speaker 1: or like using this for just fodder or talking points 723 00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,480 Speaker 1: and then sometimes it's a commentary on that. Other times 724 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,000 Speaker 1: it's trying to call you on the bullshit. But yeah, 725 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,480 Speaker 1: I totally agree. I mean I think there is this, Yeah, 726 00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,400 Speaker 1: I was, I was having to reconcile the urge to 727 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,239 Speaker 1: like say something or call something out, but in a 728 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,120 Speaker 1: way that I don't have to live with how shitty 729 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:18,080 Speaker 1: and dark the actual situation is. Yeah, I think that 730 00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,439 Speaker 1: that's like a great point in general. Not I tried, 731 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,759 Speaker 1: I mean, like you were sayings, I have engaged in 732 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,680 Speaker 1: upsetting public events like this a bunch of times, and 733 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 1: it's like so fucked up to be like, how would 734 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,320 Speaker 1: who I am on the internet interact with this? But 735 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:36,800 Speaker 1: I think that that is something that a lot of 736 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,200 Speaker 1: people are subconsciously thinking, kind of like what you were saying. 737 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:41,839 Speaker 1: And I don't know. I mean, I tried to log 738 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,600 Speaker 1: the funk out mostly today, but I still, you know, 739 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:46,480 Speaker 1: fired off a Twitter or two and it is like, 740 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,440 Speaker 1: I don't know, and I'm not trying to pass judgment 741 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,880 Speaker 1: people know. But well, the other thing is like what 742 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,080 Speaker 1: happened today would be well within the realm of things 743 00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,520 Speaker 1: that you regularly comment on. So it's like if I 744 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,360 Speaker 1: was going to your Twitter feed. I would expect you 745 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,160 Speaker 1: to be speaking about it, whether it was through jokes 746 00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,399 Speaker 1: or not. But it's it's when people who obviously had 747 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,920 Speaker 1: zero interest in this before today suddenly hop on the 748 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,440 Speaker 1: bandback and I'm like, all right, there's a lot of 749 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,400 Speaker 1: eyes on Twitter, and this is an opportunity for me 750 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,600 Speaker 1: to ship seen. You know. It's like, if this is 751 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,120 Speaker 1: what you actively engage in consistently, then that's part of 752 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,480 Speaker 1: your brand. For lack of a better word than by 753 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,279 Speaker 1: all means, that's what you should be talking about. But 754 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,799 Speaker 1: but if it's just like every single big social event 755 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,040 Speaker 1: becomes an opportunity for you to craft the perfect joke 756 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,840 Speaker 1: without paying attention to what's actually happening, that's when it 757 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,720 Speaker 1: gets annoying. Yeah. No, I mean I'm I I feel 758 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,680 Speaker 1: just like personally that I'm not above scrutiny even when 759 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,680 Speaker 1: it's an issue that I care about. And I don't know, 760 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:43,719 Speaker 1: even firing off a Twitter two today, I was like, 761 00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:48,040 Speaker 1: did you like, did you need to Uh, I don't 762 00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,640 Speaker 1: know something that I wanted everyone's opinion on. I guess 763 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:53,719 Speaker 1: because I don't know where I've fallen. It was. I 764 00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,919 Speaker 1: was still like I opened my Twitter feed a couple 765 00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,319 Speaker 1: of times, even though I didn't engage that much. Uh, 766 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,239 Speaker 1: there is a lot of the fucking like memes of 767 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,759 Speaker 1: Kavanaugh looking ugly and then adding ship like that that's 768 00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,480 Speaker 1: so normalized now, of like this is just what we do. 769 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,080 Speaker 1: And I don't know, I think maybe it's a personal 770 00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,560 Speaker 1: preference but I'm sucking over it or whether I agree 771 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,920 Speaker 1: with them or not seeing an unflattering picture of someone 772 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,200 Speaker 1: and that I just I don't know. So there were 773 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,400 Speaker 1: a couple of examples things to attack him over. There 774 00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,799 Speaker 1: are a couple of examples of that where um, there 775 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:30,160 Speaker 1: were a couple of pictures or like memes where he 776 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,840 Speaker 1: was frozen in the midst of this like nose wrinkle 777 00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:34,840 Speaker 1: thing that he was doing over and over again. That 778 00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,920 Speaker 1: seemed to me like a tell like that he was 779 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:42,200 Speaker 1: almost like had a facial twitch whenever he was lying 780 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:46,200 Speaker 1: or like fighting something back, Yeah, fighting something back. And um, 781 00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,319 Speaker 1: so I was okay with like getting a freeze frame 782 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,400 Speaker 1: of like that because it did seem to I don't know, 783 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:56,480 Speaker 1: capture something about his performance. That was his twisting the 784 00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,680 Speaker 1: oreo right, that was his twisting. And then there was 785 00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:04,200 Speaker 1: also a picture where he was like enraged talking and 786 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,160 Speaker 1: there's a photograph with like you see the six women 787 00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,719 Speaker 1: behind him and they're all just like looking at him, 788 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,600 Speaker 1: like with the most just complete disgust. I thought that 789 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,360 Speaker 1: was a great picture. But I agree, like just anything 790 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:21,040 Speaker 1: where it's so transparently like do you look at this dummy, 791 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,799 Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, that's probably not and then connecting back 792 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:28,120 Speaker 1: to know his point of like doing it kind of 793 00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,080 Speaker 1: for like the cloud and the retweets that will accompany 794 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,839 Speaker 1: saying that, I don't know, it's maybe I'm either old 795 00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:39,240 Speaker 1: or just too tired. You are old, I'm extremely elderly. 796 00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:45,080 Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm getting tired. No, I think this 797 00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,080 Speaker 1: is a very I think exhausting day on this every 798 00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,440 Speaker 1: level for many people in many different ways. And like 799 00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,800 Speaker 1: you said, we're in here feeling fucked up. We're like 800 00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,879 Speaker 1: I'm making jokes because I'm looking at somebody who looks 801 00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:04,160 Speaker 1: who's his is so apparent, and I'm we're just acting 802 00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,759 Speaker 1: at like this is okay. But this guy, every time 803 00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,120 Speaker 1: there was a question asked that like would have really 804 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:12,760 Speaker 1: like a line of question would have taken us somewhere 805 00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,600 Speaker 1: that may have gone somewhere significant, he side steps or 806 00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:19,200 Speaker 1: starts arguing with Senators and things like that, and you're like, 807 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,400 Speaker 1: this is just how we're gonna let this rock. I 808 00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:25,839 Speaker 1: want to focus on his his performance, but first we're 809 00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:40,160 Speaker 1: gonna take a quick break and we're back and uh so, yeah, 810 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:46,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I think across the board people found Dr 811 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:51,719 Speaker 1: Blasi Ford's testimony very credible. That's why Fox News looked 812 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:55,279 Speaker 1: like they were mourning someone's death after her testimony, because 813 00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,120 Speaker 1: Fox and Friends flag was at half man. Yeah, exactly, 814 00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,520 Speaker 1: they were really worried. But but even to that absurdity, right, 815 00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,719 Speaker 1: the sadness wasn't over that this person may have been 816 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:09,360 Speaker 1: sexually assaulted by this judicial It was that, Yeah, but 817 00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,080 Speaker 1: and then you're just and then then that's that other 818 00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,759 Speaker 1: layer where I'm trying to have a like being like, look, 819 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,360 Speaker 1: we're not even engaging with this anyway. I'm sorry, But 820 00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,800 Speaker 1: I think the question is going to be him, or 821 00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:21,960 Speaker 1: at least the difference is going to be in how 822 00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,400 Speaker 1: we interpret his because I think from the rights perspective, 823 00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:30,239 Speaker 1: he seemed to channel this white male anger that increasingly 824 00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:34,400 Speaker 1: is the only way that like white men can feel 825 00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:38,120 Speaker 1: alive anymore. I feel like like that's just culturally on 826 00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,520 Speaker 1: the right, that's like what what they need to, like 827 00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:46,520 Speaker 1: just get involved in a thing and on. From my perspective, 828 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:52,319 Speaker 1: it just seemed so transparently, weirdly, like a guilty guy 829 00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,520 Speaker 1: raising his voice because he wants you to stop calling 830 00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:59,000 Speaker 1: out that he's lying. And I mean, the main issue 831 00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:04,120 Speaker 1: that I wanted addressed is somebody pointed out that all 832 00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:08,200 Speaker 1: of these character testimonies from his first hearing, all you 833 00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,080 Speaker 1: had to do is go back and say, Okay, have 834 00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:12,600 Speaker 1: you ever hung out with him when he was drunk? 835 00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:14,279 Speaker 1: Have you ever hung out with him when he was drunk? 836 00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:18,280 Speaker 1: And they did go to his drinking a few times, 837 00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:22,680 Speaker 1: but nobody ever was like, are you a bed drunk? Basically, 838 00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:27,240 Speaker 1: and he reflects it. He had this weird reflexive response 839 00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,400 Speaker 1: to any time is drinking got brought up where he 840 00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:33,400 Speaker 1: talked about drinking beer, and someone God bless the Internet 841 00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:37,080 Speaker 1: did a super cut of just all of his auto 842 00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,400 Speaker 1: tuned Yeah, unfortunately it's not, but we will work on it. 843 00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,160 Speaker 1: But just the way he the way he was using 844 00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,880 Speaker 1: the sort of idea of having a few beers with 845 00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,440 Speaker 1: like binge drinking and acting like an absolutely monster. It's 846 00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,520 Speaker 1: literally it's the same, it's along the same lines of 847 00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,600 Speaker 1: as locker room talking. It's just like this is a 848 00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:58,040 Speaker 1: coded phrase for males big yeah beers and using alcohol 849 00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,680 Speaker 1: as a rational right. I mean literally locker room talk 850 00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:02,360 Speaker 1: in the sense that he was like I worked my 851 00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,759 Speaker 1: tail off multiple times. It's like, what do you my 852 00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:09,760 Speaker 1: fucking gym teacher? Like that that whole part really resonated 853 00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:13,479 Speaker 1: with me. And like I got great grades, had a job, 854 00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,960 Speaker 1: played basketball in college, and I was a fucking monster, 855 00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,080 Speaker 1: Like I only wanted a party and try to drink up. 856 00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,439 Speaker 1: Like I was never assaulting anyone. But like the fact 857 00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,040 Speaker 1: that he thinks because he worked hard and got good 858 00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,719 Speaker 1: grades and played sports meant that he wasn't some kind 859 00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,400 Speaker 1: of shitty teenage boy. It's like all I wanted to 860 00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,560 Speaker 1: do was party, and I did all those things. Yeah, 861 00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,880 Speaker 1: but let's hear him talk about having a couple of 862 00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:41,080 Speaker 1: many beers. I drank beer with my friends sometimes I 863 00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,319 Speaker 1: had too many beers. I liked beer. I still like beer, 864 00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,680 Speaker 1: had beers, have some beers, one beer, drink beer, to 865 00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:51,359 Speaker 1: drink beer, drank beer and drinking beer. You've probably had 866 00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:55,719 Speaker 1: beer center each week. Ralph Club, biggest contributor. You know, 867 00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:57,719 Speaker 1: I got a weak stomach. Whether it's with beer. I 868 00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:59,600 Speaker 1: like beer that I like beer. I don't know if 869 00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:04,200 Speaker 1: you do you like beer, Senator? Hanging out and having 870 00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,680 Speaker 1: some beers with friends, which I gladly do and which 871 00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:15,520 Speaker 1: I fully embrace. Yeah, And it was that like and 872 00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:17,600 Speaker 1: it was through that when people were talking about his 873 00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:19,760 Speaker 1: drinking too like you said that he would get testy. 874 00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,800 Speaker 1: And when Amy Klobachar was asking him about, you know, 875 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,480 Speaker 1: has he ever has ever lost his memory or like 876 00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,480 Speaker 1: had to you know, tack of time from drinking blacked out? 877 00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,759 Speaker 1: Basically he got he straight up chest passed the ball 878 00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,800 Speaker 1: right back to her, like anyway, listen, Yeah, him just 879 00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:40,160 Speaker 1: getting really really disrespectful to the senator. You're saying, there's 880 00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,920 Speaker 1: never been a case where you drank so much that 881 00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,399 Speaker 1: you didn't remember what happened the night before. A part 882 00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,440 Speaker 1: of what happened. You're asking about blackout. I don't know, 883 00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:54,080 Speaker 1: have you what could you answer the question? Stuttered and 884 00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,239 Speaker 1: then said, I don't know you that's not happened? Is 885 00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,400 Speaker 1: that your answer? Yeah? And I'm curious if you And 886 00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:06,359 Speaker 1: then he doubles the that and he's grasping his straws here. 887 00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,000 Speaker 1: It's just and especially because the center also referenced to 888 00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,719 Speaker 1: the fact that she had had a yeah, which is 889 00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:17,480 Speaker 1: like the most and thankfully she was able to speak 890 00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,560 Speaker 1: to that later. It'd be like, Hey, just so you know, 891 00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,680 Speaker 1: the children of alcoholics tend to be pretty fucking careful 892 00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,839 Speaker 1: about how they treat beer and like having a beer. 893 00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,320 Speaker 1: They're very unimportant side note, it was anyone else surprised 894 00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,120 Speaker 1: to learn that the drinking age used to be eighteen? 895 00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,080 Speaker 1: That was an interesting moment. Yeah, now I knew that 896 00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,360 Speaker 1: because I went to the school in d C. And 897 00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:41,000 Speaker 1: the drinking age for like as recently as like the 898 00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:44,360 Speaker 1: late eighties was eighteen and just everybody could drink. So 899 00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,040 Speaker 1: they were like there was lore of those days when 900 00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,120 Speaker 1: when freshman's could. It was interesting. I mean a lot 901 00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,640 Speaker 1: a lot of this has been kind of like bringing 902 00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,640 Speaker 1: back up kind of the insurrection of like fat culture 903 00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:00,520 Speaker 1: and how I mean it goes without saying that all 904 00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:04,240 Speaker 1: male prep schools of any grade level should be burned 905 00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,759 Speaker 1: to the ground along with the culture that comes with it. 906 00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,880 Speaker 1: But it's interesting to hear that. I don't know, it's 907 00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:17,000 Speaker 1: it's weird like that specific uh section of of like 908 00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,840 Speaker 1: problematic male culture has kind of like fallen out of 909 00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,200 Speaker 1: discussion for a while and now it's it's back, Baby, 910 00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:26,080 Speaker 1: I haven't. I went on a fucking I fell in 911 00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:31,120 Speaker 1: a hole last night of uh, Tucker Tucker Max, is 912 00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:38,160 Speaker 1: that everyone remember I hope the beers beers. I in 913 00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,040 Speaker 1: my head, I'm like, that book has to be twenty 914 00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:41,839 Speaker 1: years old. It is not. It is ten years old. 915 00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,880 Speaker 1: That book came out in two thousand and six, was 916 00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:48,680 Speaker 1: the top book in the country for like over a year, 917 00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,960 Speaker 1: and I think today it could not even be published. 918 00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,920 Speaker 1: It's just so like that, using that as a marker 919 00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:58,800 Speaker 1: of like how quickly things have you know, changed in 920 00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,799 Speaker 1: terms of political climate, that book would struggle so hard 921 00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,399 Speaker 1: to find a fucking publisher, to the point where Tucker Max, 922 00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,480 Speaker 1: this is just a fun fact that I think is insane. 923 00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,120 Speaker 1: Tucker Max now has to work as a ghostwriter, and 924 00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:14,759 Speaker 1: he ghost wrote Tiffany Hattish's memoir last year. He did, 925 00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:18,280 Speaker 1: he did. But that is that is what's so fascinating 926 00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,879 Speaker 1: is you're talking about like, only in ten years did 927 00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:25,279 Speaker 1: a certain kind of book become unpublishable because it's socially unacceptable, 928 00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,279 Speaker 1: And yet thirty years between Anita Hill to today, the 929 00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,960 Speaker 1: same old process is happening and so it's like certain 930 00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,640 Speaker 1: things are improving at a rapid rate while other things, 931 00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:37,200 Speaker 1: and unfortunately the more important institutions are just staying the same. Yeah, 932 00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,600 Speaker 1: we're doing the easy shift first. It's like it's easy 933 00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:41,560 Speaker 1: to not publish a book. It's easy to say you 934 00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,360 Speaker 1: don't do this kind of movie or whatever. It's harder 935 00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,880 Speaker 1: to then look and start holding people truly accountable in 936 00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:51,319 Speaker 1: like in more you know, I think substantial ways to Yeah, 937 00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,359 Speaker 1: because no, I mean just just like like not enough 938 00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:59,120 Speaker 1: people with money or influence give a fuck, right, I 939 00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,839 Speaker 1: mean just lingering things that we haven't touched on. There 940 00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:07,440 Speaker 1: was his raising the idea that it was a Clinton 941 00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:13,279 Speaker 1: based revenge conspiracy. That was what he opened with. That 942 00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:17,279 Speaker 1: was in his opening statement. Um, and it was just weird. 943 00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,840 Speaker 1: His opening statement was weird because of how angry it was. 944 00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:23,200 Speaker 1: But then also he he would choke up and cry, 945 00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:27,759 Speaker 1: which like not not above it. I cry literally all 946 00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:33,760 Speaker 1: the time, but but he choked up at the weirdest times, 947 00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,440 Speaker 1: like he was. He started choking up when he was 948 00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:41,920 Speaker 1: talking about his calendar, which was like it was somehow 949 00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:46,279 Speaker 1: connected to his dad. But then he started talking about workouts, 950 00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:51,600 Speaker 1: like workouts at his friend's house and he started crying 951 00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:55,160 Speaker 1: about that too. It was like workouts and calendars were 952 00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,160 Speaker 1: the things he got choked up talking about how he 953 00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:02,720 Speaker 1: bought a bunch of baseball tickets once he's my friends, 954 00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,399 Speaker 1: it was like, also, how is this whole calendar thing 955 00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,360 Speaker 1: not the most evident proof of this, dude is American 956 00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:15,719 Speaker 1: psycho had a few skis with the boys, right, what 957 00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,239 Speaker 1: was and what was his lifting? I will say what 958 00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:22,960 Speaker 1: was his one boy's nickname? Qui? Yeah, that was the 959 00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:24,960 Speaker 1: only part of his testimony. I like, because that's a 960 00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:33,040 Speaker 1: kind of cool nickname story. Oh I the fucking whole 961 00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:37,759 Speaker 1: virgin with a calendar narrative? Really maybe very tired again, Yeah, 962 00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,360 Speaker 1: I think even just his idea that he would entertain 963 00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,279 Speaker 1: this idea that it was a Clinton orchestrated hit job, 964 00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:46,200 Speaker 1: or like even raising the specter of George Soros, like 965 00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,000 Speaker 1: with the GEO people, like who paid for the polygraph test? Uh, 966 00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,080 Speaker 1: clearly he's even two partisan to even be a judge 967 00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,080 Speaker 1: regardless of how this goes. So there are many things 968 00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:58,040 Speaker 1: that objectively would be like based on temperament or partisanship 969 00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,520 Speaker 1: or what You're gonna have a dude step onto the 970 00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,560 Speaker 1: Supreme Court with clenched fists looking at Democrats or people 971 00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:05,960 Speaker 1: on the left that you're not going to get anything 972 00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:09,120 Speaker 1: anything remotely close to an impartial judge. People an attitude 973 00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:12,000 Speaker 1: like that, which is probably a pro for a republic 974 00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:14,480 Speaker 1: of course. Yeah, they want to fucking attack dog on 975 00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:16,839 Speaker 1: that side. One thing I'll just say is like, as 976 00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:20,479 Speaker 1: we look around, how this vote could happen at this point, 977 00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,440 Speaker 1: you know, as we record this, we we just watched 978 00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,960 Speaker 1: the testimony and everything. Now, so when you hear this, 979 00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:29,560 Speaker 1: we had to it was late breaking, it was late 980 00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:30,680 Speaker 1: we had you know, we had to be on top 981 00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,320 Speaker 1: of this Thursday night. But um, you know, if you 982 00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,479 Speaker 1: know right now, they're still scheduled to have a vote 983 00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,320 Speaker 1: to get him out of committee at nine thirty h 984 00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,160 Speaker 1: d C. Time, and we'll see how that goes. I mean, 985 00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:43,880 Speaker 1: people were reporting that Jeff Flake just huddled up with 986 00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:47,160 Speaker 1: Lisa Murkowski and Susan Collins and Joe Mansion, like right 987 00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:49,879 Speaker 1: off to the side in the Senate building, the most 988 00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,239 Speaker 1: on the bubble on the bubble people, and like, if 989 00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:56,040 Speaker 1: Jeff Flake moves tomorrow, that this thing could change very differently. 990 00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,400 Speaker 1: So I don't know that it's very clearly this It 991 00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,120 Speaker 1: was a very very big day. But we'll see what happens. 992 00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:05,480 Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm hoping that. I just hope that 993 00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:09,440 Speaker 1: people do the right thing. Jesus. Yeah. And I'll be 994 00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:13,879 Speaker 1: interested to see how people who are watching TV, uh 995 00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,680 Speaker 1: respond to this, like what because he is already a 996 00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:22,360 Speaker 1: historically unpopular candidate for the Supreme Court, and I can't 997 00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,759 Speaker 1: imagine that he's going to be more popular after today. Hey, 998 00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,440 Speaker 1: the bright side is, uh, if they don't end up 999 00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,799 Speaker 1: putting him in the Supreme Court, I bet they'll find 1000 00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:35,520 Speaker 1: someone really nice to put in instead, someone awesome with 1001 00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:41,600 Speaker 1: progressive views will be Yeah, it'll be a constitution in 1002 00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:44,600 Speaker 1: a wig or something like this. This person's fine should 1003 00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:48,239 Speaker 1: actually just be Tucker Max Jamie quick thoughts on stake 1004 00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,520 Speaker 1: m Skull because we probably can't cover it. Okay, here's 1005 00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:52,840 Speaker 1: the thing, the stake of thing. Uh. You were the 1006 00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:54,600 Speaker 1: one who brought it to my attention. You did a 1007 00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:57,160 Speaker 1: great dramatic reading of it. I was like, oh, ship, 1008 00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:00,920 Speaker 1: I'm connecting with this wow isolation in the digital aig 1009 00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:04,000 Speaker 1: oh funk. Oh shit. And and then I had, you know, 1010 00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,000 Speaker 1: I went to p and then I came back and 1011 00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,279 Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, if you read it in 1012 00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,560 Speaker 1: a less compelling way, then you did. That's a fucking uh. 1013 00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,520 Speaker 1: That's a fucking monologue from Mr Robot. That's a cut 1014 00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:18,560 Speaker 1: scene from Fight Club. Dude. It's like in this, like 1015 00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:22,239 Speaker 1: you imagine Edward Norton mumbling the stakelm's account and it 1016 00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:25,480 Speaker 1: loses its lesser entirely, where he's like, I can't believe 1017 00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:29,000 Speaker 1: these kids that are isolated, they got mental illness. So 1018 00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:33,440 Speaker 1: of course they started to connect with corporate accounts. They 1019 00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:35,920 Speaker 1: turned to the thing that or that wants to kill 1020 00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,879 Speaker 1: them and starts to connect with the conducted with each 1021 00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:41,759 Speaker 1: other because of the computers. Anyway, I think we had 1022 00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:43,120 Speaker 1: to get to that really quick. But I know, we 1023 00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,319 Speaker 1: gotta wrap this like this. I mean, we gotta say 1024 00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:49,320 Speaker 1: what happened, right, Yeah, well, I mean the STAKELMS account 1025 00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:52,480 Speaker 1: Twitter account just went on this like nihilist rant about 1026 00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:56,040 Speaker 1: been doing for a while. Yeah, and they finally one 1027 00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,560 Speaker 1: one caught on with everybody. Yeah. That was about how 1028 00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:04,120 Speaker 1: young people are vapid and our culture is dead and 1029 00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:07,319 Speaker 1: everything sucks. It was very rust Cole from the first 1030 00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:10,399 Speaker 1: season True Detective, you know who would never tweet nihilistic ship. 1031 00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:14,640 Speaker 1: Is that Taco Bell being right? They have just fucking 1032 00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,520 Speaker 1: hawk the product there? I thought I thought it was 1033 00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:21,960 Speaker 1: an interesting thing, but ultimately that is great promotion for 1034 00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:26,320 Speaker 1: shitty products. So just keep that in mind when you're 1035 00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:28,400 Speaker 1: I don't know, fucking your box of stake ms later? 1036 00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:34,240 Speaker 1: Is there a dog food that sounds like stakes? Yeah? 1037 00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:38,720 Speaker 1: Maybe that's all right? No Jamie, Thank you guys so 1038 00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,920 Speaker 1: much for living through this exhausting day with us and 1039 00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:45,320 Speaker 1: reacting to it with us. Noah, where can people find you? 1040 00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:49,960 Speaker 1: Follow you at Noah G Comedy on Instagram and Twitter, 1041 00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:53,600 Speaker 1: Noah g Comedy dot com website. A good choice of handles. 1042 00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,360 Speaker 1: Is there a tweet that you've been enjoying? No Alright 1043 00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,480 Speaker 1: after that, you can find me on Twitter and Instagram 1044 00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:06,919 Speaker 1: at Miles of Gray and yeah tweets. You know it's 1045 00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:13,120 Speaker 1: anything anything, anything steak, Just check the steaks thing. Young 1046 00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,760 Speaker 1: people today have it the best in the worst. There's 1047 00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:19,640 Speaker 1: so much to process and very few trusted anything. Shut up, 1048 00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:22,000 Speaker 1: guy just got back from his first semester college. Also 1049 00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,840 Speaker 1: v for Vendetta. That's the other thing. We can find 1050 00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:27,040 Speaker 1: a bunch of view words in here. It gets annoying, 1051 00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:30,840 Speaker 1: very fam right, um, Jamie, where can people find you? 1052 00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,640 Speaker 1: Follow you? You find me on Twitter at Jamie loss 1053 00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:38,320 Speaker 1: to Help, Instagram at Jamie christ Superstar. But honestly, today 1054 00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:41,920 Speaker 1: just sucking. Take a walk and you know, text your 1055 00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:45,960 Speaker 1: mom and okay. Yeah. One of my what a tweet 1056 00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:50,000 Speaker 1: that I was enjoying today was from the great Megan Amram. 1057 00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:53,760 Speaker 1: She tweeted. She tweeted at eleven am I want a 1058 00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:57,880 Speaker 1: feel old today started sixty two years ago. You can 1059 00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,640 Speaker 1: follow me on Twitter at Jack Underscore o Ian. You 1060 00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,120 Speaker 1: can follow us at Daily Zeitgeist on Twitter at the 1061 00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:05,560 Speaker 1: Daily Ziegeist. On Instagram, we have a Facebook fan page 1062 00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:08,440 Speaker 1: on a website daily dot com where we post our episodes. 1063 00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:11,040 Speaker 1: In our we link off to the information that we 1064 00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:13,800 Speaker 1: talked about in today's episode, as well as a song 1065 00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,680 Speaker 1: we ride out on miles what's that kind of be 1066 00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,640 Speaker 1: go out on a song by knocks Fortune called Little 1067 00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:22,720 Speaker 1: Thing and uh, I like the little D tune synthesizers 1068 00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:24,240 Speaker 1: in here, but I think you'll like it too. Got 1069 00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:27,439 Speaker 1: a good book, enjoy that. The footnotes are also any 1070 00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,840 Speaker 1: information about the episode that you're listening to, So just 1071 00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:34,240 Speaker 1: pitt on the high on whatever appen you are listening 1072 00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,800 Speaker 1: to it on. That's gonna do it for today. We 1073 00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:40,560 Speaker 1: will be back on Monday with more podcasts than we 1074 00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:45,160 Speaker 1: hope you have a week. We drank beer and and 1075 00:59:45,520 --> 01:00:03,080 Speaker 1: uh still do so whatever it is Sma and again 1076 01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:07,360 Speaker 1: she be loving gets he out of the chain, loving 1077 01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:13,680 Speaker 1: but all that shows something everything know this is out 1078 01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:19,600 Speaker 1: and she loved gives he out of the chain. 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Make me breas 1088 01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:11,640 Speaker 1: a car ar you even when love this colling close 1089 01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:20,200 Speaker 1: so love so we will just love her and keep 1090 01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:29,640 Speaker 1: from meting it do for you. It's a summer and 1091 01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:35,800 Speaker 1: she will love case. He had a j loveing what 1092 01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:43,680 Speaker 1: should be subding there it summer and again she be 1093 01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:49,720 Speaker 1: loving casse he had of the jam something what shall 1094 01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:52,880 Speaker 1: be something there it No we do