Speaker 1: To be fair, much like a black man in address.
Speaker 1: I think about movie of me raising a white family
Speaker 1: would be hilarious.
Speaker 2: You're like, you're just thinking about it. I love it.
Speaker 3: Like baby again, come on, man, that's not a classic.
Speaker 2: Sorry half written.
Speaker 4: I think that would be babies and yours are racist.
Speaker 2: As money in turn stuff.
Speaker 5: I can't tell me, knig if you buck bitch, there
Speaker 5: it is there it is. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to
Speaker 5: another phenomenal episode of My Mama Told Me.
Speaker 1: The podcast that dives deep into the pockets of black
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories.
Speaker 5: And we finally work to prove that we only know
Speaker 5: the name Christmas Addicts because of white people's unquenchable thirst
Speaker 5: for black death. That nigga did nothing in the Revolutionary War.
Speaker 5: He didn't contribute one bit, and for some fucking reason,
Speaker 5: they keep putting him in our history books. There's no
Speaker 5: reason for us to know the first man who died
Speaker 5: in a war. They don't do that for any other war.
Speaker 5: There's not another fucking war where you know the first
Speaker 5: dude who died. But for some reason, the nigga that
Speaker 5: dies in the Revolutionary War, they decide they gotta tell
Speaker 5: every goddamn body. If that's not a conspiracy, I.
Speaker 2: Don't know what is? What about World War one?
Speaker 5: World War one? That German chancellor, motherfucker.
Speaker 2: Archduke Ferdinand or whatever.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we barely know him.
Speaker 2: Do you know? Christmas addicts better than him.
Speaker 5: You know, Christmas addicts way better. You don't even know
Speaker 5: what the Archduke looks.
Speaker 2: Like, not at all. And I've seen so many drunks.
Speaker 2: He's always drawn.
Speaker 5: Yeah they didn't, but they got pictures of Christmas ass
Speaker 5: on the ground, bloody white people pointing like, yeah he did,
Speaker 5: could have been there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 5: They love that Christmas and what the fuck is a Christmas?
Speaker 5: I hate that they do this to us.
Speaker 2: That is a made up fucking name.
Speaker 5: Come on, man, I'm Langston Kerman and I'm furious.
Speaker 1: I'm David Boy, and I'm equally upset.
Speaker 2: We have.
Speaker 5: We have a phenomenal guest here today who I hope
Speaker 5: is equally enraged as as the two of us. He
Speaker 5: better come in hot.
Speaker 2: We don't.
Speaker 5: We don't play that ship if he's a Christmas ads apologizer.
Speaker 2: But he is.
Speaker 5: He's a phenomenal comedian. He's hilarious. You know him from
Speaker 5: from all kinds of work, most of which were not
Speaker 5: allowed to promote anymore because of dual strikes that are happening.
Speaker 5: But but most importantly, you know him from when It's
Speaker 5: Happening Saturday Night Live. He's a cast member on that show.
Speaker 5: He's hilarious. Please give it up for Devin Walker.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I didn't know if I was supposed to pop in.
Speaker 7: But also, like Christmas Addicts, he is high schools named
Speaker 7: after him.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, that's crazy, Like how do
Speaker 1: you even justify that to like, is there a naming commission?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know how you name him
Speaker 2: high school?
Speaker 5: Ain't no Archduke Ferdinand high School?
Speaker 2: It would make more sense because like, why does he
Speaker 2: get a school? What Chrispy Dude? That means that makes
Speaker 2: me feel like I could get a school.
Speaker 5: David Bory David Borrie Elementary.
Speaker 2: Is high school? Don't you that to me?
Speaker 5: You small?
Speaker 2: But you're like, we're dreaming, and we're dreaming. We're dreaming.
Speaker 6: I feel like I feel like you could get a
Speaker 6: building at like a performing arts academy.
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I think I could.
Speaker 1: I think it makes it sounds like the school, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I used to play full back at Bory.
Speaker 2: That sounds that does sound good. Yeah, Yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: be honest.
Speaker 5: I don't think. I don't think Kerman is ever gonna
Speaker 5: have a nice to it. Yeah, and I'm a big fan.
Speaker 5: I like me, but but I just don't nobody's gonna
Speaker 5: be like, yeah, it was a swooping at Kerman and
Speaker 5: that sounds icky.
Speaker 7: Really, I think I could hear it.
Speaker 2: I hear it too.
Speaker 5: Maybe I gotta maybe I gotta do some self reflection.
Speaker 5: Maybe there's some self hatred inside of this that I got.
Speaker 2: It was like a nice sounding name. Damn.
Speaker 7: The high school I went to was called Flugerville High School.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what did he die?
Speaker 6: He was like the guy who created the town that
Speaker 6: I grew up in, like the town I love.
Speaker 7: I grew up in a town outside of Austin called Fluerville, Texas.
Speaker 5: Fuck, So you just had a local, a local man
Speaker 5: high school.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's I don't think that's that's the
Speaker 1: man founded a town.
Speaker 2: That's a big thing to do.
Speaker 5: I think that's Nah, this is grossing me out.
Speaker 2: I don't like it. What did Christmas do? Nothing? And
Speaker 2: that's my point.
Speaker 3: Just let the man be dead.
Speaker 5: Stop writing about him and telling everybody he got beat up.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I bet his cousins and like brothers and sisters
Speaker 2: hated it. Yeah.
Speaker 5: The Addicts family is not happy about what's happening here.
Speaker 2: Devin.
Speaker 5: You you you came to us with a conspiracy theory
Speaker 5: that uh oh oh oh, what is this? We have
Speaker 5: Christmas Addicts updates. That that is Christmas Addicts High School.
Speaker 5: That's right, only it barely in frame.
Speaker 2: This is rough.
Speaker 6: Sports at the at the bottom, it says a storied legacy,
Speaker 6: our legacy of serving African American students in Indianapolis continues today.
Speaker 2: God damn. So it's basically like just go here and
Speaker 2: you're gonna die.
Speaker 5: That's my other problem with Christmas Attics High School is
Speaker 5: that it never is in service of white children. You
Speaker 5: know what I mean, Like they never You never send
Speaker 5: your white child to Christmas Attics High School because y'all
Speaker 5: know that's fucked up. You know that's not a brand
Speaker 5: you want to attach yourself to.
Speaker 2: He was a loser.
Speaker 5: Just let him be a loser. He got shot.
Speaker 2: I only want people to talk about it if I
Speaker 2: go out.
Speaker 5: Cool, Come on, man, do no cool neo kicks.
Speaker 2: He just got shot. He probably didn't even have like
Speaker 2: a spin started. You probably even know it was coming.
Speaker 2: I thought he thought it wasn't gonna happen.
Speaker 5: Was like walking up here, shoot me. And then they
Speaker 5: saw that line of white men in blue suits and
Speaker 5: one nigga and they were like shoot him and nobody
Speaker 5: and he is so alone. Nobody even went, oh, no Christmas.
Speaker 5: They yeah, you know, they're like, oh, monkey Jim.
Speaker 2: Now, who's gonna dance after something?
Speaker 5: Who's gonna play the spoons?
Speaker 7: I love so much this podcast on Will Ferrell's network.
Speaker 5: That's okay. I don't think he listens.
Speaker 2: Impossible.
Speaker 7: I hope he does.
Speaker 2: A long time ago.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think he's checking in. I think he'd
Speaker 5: be a little worried about what was happening on this
Speaker 5: side of town.
Speaker 2: Well basically saying it in his name.
Speaker 5: At the end of every episode, we say praise Will Ferrell.
Speaker 1: The views and opinions expressed by this podcast do reflect Will.
Speaker 2: Ferrey almost exclusive. Yeah, what do you think we got it?
Speaker 5: Devin? You came to us with a conspiracy theory that
Speaker 5: has zero to do with Christmas addicts, but I will
Speaker 5: say is a conspiracy we've we've touched on in the podcast,
Speaker 5: but I was surprised to find out we had not
Speaker 5: fully unpacked, and so this is an exciting day where
Speaker 5: we get to do a pretty classic I would say,
Speaker 5: conspiracy theory. You said, my mama told me black man
Speaker 5: have to wear a dress in order to succeed him.
Speaker 4: How is my man supposed to shmeet his meet with
Speaker 4: this ship?
Speaker 2: Bro? What the.
Speaker 5: To jump in?
Speaker 2: Whenever you.
Speaker 5: Process whatever that.
Speaker 2: Was from any direction.
Speaker 7: I really wasn't ready for that.
Speaker 6: I thought, I really thought you were gonna pull like
Speaker 6: a quote from Kat Williams. I really wasn't exactly you
Speaker 6: hit me. You hit me with a spin move. That's
Speaker 6: what Christmas Adict should have had, but.
Speaker 2: A dunk.
Speaker 7: But yeah, I mean I feel like I was surprised.
Speaker 6: I was like, that's why I submitted a couple because
Speaker 6: I would have I figured y'all probably would have done
Speaker 6: this one already. But it's definitely a thing that I
Speaker 6: grew up here about, and it's a thing that like
Speaker 6: I was literally I was in Houston this weekend and
Speaker 6: I took a Huber to the airport and the guy.
Speaker 7: Was like, oh, well, brought you to Houston.
Speaker 6: I was like, oh, I was doing shows, I do
Speaker 6: stand up and he was just like, they get that
Speaker 6: dress on.
Speaker 7: You yet, don't let him do it.
Speaker 2: Yet.
Speaker 7: Dam yeah, he said, he said, he said it's coming.
Speaker 6: And so like that is the thing that I've always
Speaker 6: especially like my mom told me this when I was young,
Speaker 6: but like especially like the older I get and the
Speaker 6: more the further I get in comedy, that keep being
Speaker 6: like it's on his way, that dress, the dress coming
Speaker 6: for you dog, you know, And they always they always
Speaker 6: got like a video reference. They always got like Chappelle
Speaker 6: talking about it or like all these guys have like
Speaker 6: real theories on it, and it's.
Speaker 5: And when you say they is the I know you
Speaker 5: said your mom is apparently one of the sources. But
Speaker 5: but is this a mostly family? Is this friends? Is
Speaker 5: this broadened out to your larger Texas community? Like where
Speaker 5: is this coming from?
Speaker 7: This is mostly strangers? That's who tell you it's most
Speaker 7: It's mostly people that I've never spoken to before or
Speaker 7: in my life.
Speaker 2: Yeah or after?
Speaker 7: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 6: And that like one time, the first the first TV
Speaker 6: money I ever got, I went and bought a bunch
Speaker 6: of gold teeth.
Speaker 7: That was like the first thing that I did.
Speaker 5: Good for you, young man.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, really, before I before I figured out my
Speaker 6: health insurance, I went to go buy gold teeth from
Speaker 6: from this from this woman named Helen, and she's like,
Speaker 6: is this Yeah, this is this stud woman who makes
Speaker 6: gold teeth and like a were like a warehouse, like
Speaker 6: an upstairs like a warehouse.
Speaker 5: And wait, so she's gay.
Speaker 7: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: She's gay and also warning you of the emasculation of
Speaker 5: the black man.
Speaker 7: Bro. She was really concerned about it.
Speaker 6: She's a stud though, you're right, which is like its
Speaker 6: own kind of separate Yeah, you know, it's its own
Speaker 6: kind of separate category.
Speaker 2: I met him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're familiar with a few from opinion.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've been bullied by a few.
Speaker 7: But yeah, she was really just going in.
Speaker 6: She was really just she was just like you know,
Speaker 6: she's she was like, look, I see you doing good,
Speaker 6: but like, I know you probably want to get to
Speaker 6: that top level and you know what they're about to
Speaker 6: make you do.
Speaker 7: Don't let them do it. It's like, I don't with y'all.
Speaker 2: Would y'all ever do it?
Speaker 5: Okay, I know we're going to get here this fast, but.
Speaker 2: I was worried. I was worried about this this morning.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Bory, do you want to start? Do you want
Speaker 5: to answer for yourself first?
Speaker 2: It's so complicated.
Speaker 7: I'm feeling the same way.
Speaker 2: Because it's like, you know, people got uncles, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean? Mm hmmm.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 1: It's hard, right because I don't think I don't think
Speaker 1: there's anything inherently shameful about dressing up like a woman,
Speaker 1: Like I don't think it's that bad, but I do
Speaker 1: also part of me want, part of me does worry
Speaker 1: that it would be this thing of like an idea
Speaker 1: of relinquishing some control. So do I think I would
Speaker 1: do it? Ultimately? I don't think so, But I'm also
Speaker 1: I don't think I would. But I'm also like, that's
Speaker 1: far outside of how my humor. I'm not like a
Speaker 1: I don't even dress I wouldn't me wearing a crazy
Speaker 1: costume is also something I really wouldn't be. It's, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, silly is not really my
Speaker 1: stick anyways, so it would be it would be pretty
Speaker 1: out of character, and like it would also be out
Speaker 1: of character for me to dress up like anything.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Right, You're not You're not
Speaker 5: a part of the dress up gang. You ain't You
Speaker 5: ain't doing.
Speaker 2: I look wild physically anyways. You don't even.
Speaker 5: Put a T shirt on my man, he got it,
Speaker 5: that's funny.
Speaker 2: I gotta be able to be taken. I'm you know
Speaker 2: what I mean.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be taken serious like I'm a weird
Speaker 1: looking guy anyway.
Speaker 2: So it's like, no, I don't want to. I would't
Speaker 2: dress up in a chicken suit either. Yeah, I get that.
Speaker 5: I put a chicken suit on. Funny to me, dress
Speaker 5: me like chicken any day of the week. I Daddy's in.
Speaker 5: I will say that I feel the same struggle inside
Speaker 5: of this, of both there's a part of me that
Speaker 5: wants to be able to do it just out of
Speaker 5: like rejection of all the sort of homophobic roots inside
Speaker 5: of this argument.
Speaker 2: I want to be free.
Speaker 5: I don't want to sort of be beholden to a
Speaker 5: bunch of problematic perspectives inside of all of these things.
Speaker 5: I do, in my heart of hearts, believe that some
Speaker 5: the intention of it, though, is coming from a malicious place, right,
Speaker 5: that like the want to see black men in dresses
Speaker 5: is not coming from a place of gender equality and
Speaker 5: sort of sexual openness. It truly is just looking them
Speaker 5: silly niggas over there in dresses and.
Speaker 8: So yes, you ugly and I don't want that to
Speaker 8: happen either, And so I'm torn and I should admit
Speaker 8: and I will admit that that I want.
Speaker 2: For a live show.
Speaker 5: For a live show.
Speaker 2: Uh does that make a difference, I don't know.
Speaker 5: But it felt important. It felt important to me.
Speaker 2: That's how I'm going to frame it.
Speaker 7: This was not pre recorded.
Speaker 5: Just man, this was not recorded, and there's no evidence
Speaker 5: of it except maybe one picture. But for a live show,
Speaker 5: I dressed up as Sylvia Plath because we had to
Speaker 5: like dress up as an author and do like funny
Speaker 5: like made up readings of their ship. So I dressed
Speaker 5: up as Sylvia Plath and had a wig and a
Speaker 5: dress and an oven in my hands.
Speaker 2: Hilarious, I was hoping you yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like a tiny easy bag oven that I was
Speaker 5: carrying around, because you know, that's how.
Speaker 2: She killed herself. I used to have a joke about that.
Speaker 5: About her blowing or melting her head.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, early days.
Speaker 2: And I feel like you didn't answer straight up though,
Speaker 2: what'd you do it today?
Speaker 5: Current? I think, in my current, in my current today,
Speaker 5: I was. My instinct is no because of the so
Speaker 5: many of the associations. But my want is to get
Speaker 5: to a place where, yes, I can do it without
Speaker 5: feeling trapped inside of all the bullshit around it.
Speaker 6: I think I land kind of on that side of it,
Speaker 6: right because it's like because it's like I actually don't care.
Speaker 6: I actually I personally really care about wearing a dress
Speaker 6: like I would honestly. It is funny, like you.
Speaker 2: Know, have you seen Man.
Speaker 7: Jouanna Man?
Speaker 6: And White Chicks came out when I was like eleven
Speaker 6: years old, and it's just like, yeah, those that ship
Speaker 6: was huge. So it's like I actually don't feel any
Speaker 6: opposition to it, but I just know how much like
Speaker 6: I know that in the event that I were to
Speaker 6: put on a dress somehow, that would end up being
Speaker 6: a huge hit. And then i'd have and then every
Speaker 6: African uber driver that I came across, and now now
Speaker 6: he's looking at me wild you know how I'm feeling.
Speaker 1: You would look you would look funny as a lady,
Speaker 1: And that's the issue.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 7: I know I'd be a big ass lady.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, you're so.
Speaker 7: You know, I'm a six foot three lady. And then
Speaker 7: I'm doing any stuff.
Speaker 5: I'm wearing a cart that's you know, like our linebacker
Speaker 5: that's funny.
Speaker 7: There's already something there to it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: And it's like, but yeah, I just I got I
Speaker 6: got I got uncles and cousins and a brother that like,
Speaker 6: it's not even that I really care so much about
Speaker 6: what they think.
Speaker 7: It's just like I don't want to have to keep
Speaker 7: talking to them about it.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, it's gonna be it's gonna
Speaker 6: come up so much that I feel like it's gonna
Speaker 6: fuck my life up.
Speaker 5: I just want to keep going to the barber shop
Speaker 5: and you know, things more complicated that I don't even
Speaker 5: don't I don't even talk at the barbershop. I kind
Speaker 5: of like, you know, I ain't one of them that
Speaker 5: be chiming in and riffing and all this ship. I
Speaker 5: keep to myself. I just let them do what they're doing.
Speaker 5: And I want to be able to stay quietly an
Speaker 5: observer inside of this toxic space. I don't need to
Speaker 5: become the subject of the haircuts.
Speaker 1: Because they they're already looking at me. Funny, because like
Speaker 1: I put out this video and the nuggets one and.
Speaker 2: Like, what did you do? I didn't think it was crazy.
Speaker 1: I was watching it and then I put the video
Speaker 1: out and I guess the way that the noise that
Speaker 1: I made.
Speaker 2: Uh Like so like I can't, I can't. I can't
Speaker 2: also put a dress on?
Speaker 7: What what noise did you make in video?
Speaker 2: If you buy it, if you buy tickets to one
Speaker 2: of our live shows, I'm playing for you.
Speaker 5: I gotta know.
Speaker 1: I didn't think it was that bad. He but like
Speaker 1: what you know, because when they're telling it, like he's
Speaker 1: telling it to other people in there and he's like,
Speaker 1: oh you was like like, like I voted.
Speaker 2: And that's not what happened. Hold on, yo, let's go.
Speaker 2: Let's go.
Speaker 9: This is longer than I remember, so you know, I
Speaker 9: got a little carry it away.
Speaker 2: But just to say I can't I can't also wear
Speaker 2: a dress. That's so funny.
Speaker 5: That's that's so much homophobia that they were crew that
Speaker 5: on a celebratory day in in in Denver. They were
Speaker 5: like this niggas gay.
Speaker 2: One of the best times in my life. I can't
Speaker 2: be excited.
Speaker 5: You can't just let a real, real reaction come out
Speaker 5: of your body. No, you still got to be a man.
Speaker 5: Posturing as a man while you celebrate the happiest thing
Speaker 5: that's ever happened to you.
Speaker 2: And I don't think it was that bad. You guys
Speaker 2: think it was that bad. It was.
Speaker 5: It didn't sound crazy to me, But in context of
Speaker 5: barbershopships are revving up.
Speaker 2: To get you your back alone. Now, Yeah, it's about
Speaker 2: to happen.
Speaker 5: It's about to happen, all.
Speaker 2: Right, that's how that's all. It's that's all it's sound like,
Speaker 2: you know, you know what.
Speaker 6: The fun up thing about these those kind of environments too,
Speaker 6: is like you know, we're all like men who live
Speaker 6: in like city, like we don't care, Like I don't care.
Speaker 7: Like it's like you guys can call me gay if
Speaker 7: you want. But then it's like I don't think I care.
Speaker 6: But then as soon as people start saying shit like that,
Speaker 6: like if they started doing that at the barbershop, I
Speaker 6: know I would turn on them.
Speaker 7: I mean I ain't really nah, I mean I ain't.
Speaker 7: I ain't what you mean. Like, I'm like, I know I.
Speaker 6: Would go into that mode and and I'd be disappointed
Speaker 6: in myself because I'm better.
Speaker 5: No, I think we we don't care because we have
Speaker 5: created these sort of liberal bubbles for ourselves. But if
Speaker 5: you've spent any real time outside of these havens of
Speaker 5: sort of like of selling libration and respect and whatever,
Speaker 5: it turns into a very different energy. Like it feels
Speaker 5: it feels crazy to try to stand up for what's
Speaker 5: right when you're put in circumstances where nobody else believes
Speaker 5: any of that shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then it makes your voice sound even higher,
Speaker 1: like actually, like nobody wants that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, it's it's rough, So it sounds like Devin
Speaker 5: inside of this you are. You are not a believer
Speaker 5: necessarily in the grander conspiracy, but you are sort of
Speaker 5: wary of the implications of the conspiracy in your own life,
Speaker 5: the sort of fallout that can come from it.
Speaker 6: That is a much more academic way of putting it
Speaker 6: than I could have, So I appreciate you saying it
Speaker 6: instead of me.
Speaker 5: I guess the best follow up question I have for
Speaker 5: that is, what do we do about this? Is this
Speaker 5: something that you feel like can be change? Because niggas
Speaker 5: don't really wear dresses anymore, Like besides like Instagram sort
Speaker 5: of like the the you know skit motherfuckers like niggas
Speaker 5: and dresses ain't a thing. On TV the way it
Speaker 5: used to be in part because of this constant barrage
Speaker 5: of homophobic uncles being like, don't let this happen to you.
Speaker 5: So like, do you think we can ever change that perspective?
Speaker 7: Uh? I don't. I think no, no, no, well.
Speaker 6: No, probably I wanted to be like, yeah, like, you know,
Speaker 6: once the once these old niggas get out the way,
Speaker 6: then like you know, the younger people will like be
Speaker 6: okay with But actually again, I was just I was
Speaker 6: just when I was in Houston.
Speaker 7: You know, I'm from Texas.
Speaker 6: I grew up there, and like I have a chunk
Speaker 6: where I just sort of talk about like some like
Speaker 6: loosely gay ideas, and it turned the room in such
Speaker 6: a crazy.
Speaker 2: Way, like voting or something.
Speaker 7: It turned the room in such a crazy way. I
Speaker 7: was like, I forget I'm from here, and I'd be
Speaker 7: forgetting about homophobia. I'll be forgetting about that is like
Speaker 7: much more the norm.
Speaker 1: Than like, you know, a lot of dude that's their
Speaker 1: whole sense of humor, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So it's like, no, have a sports show that is
Speaker 5: entirely dedicated to almost talking about sports, but then getting
Speaker 5: distracted by the gay things that the other person said.
Speaker 5: If you've if you've never watched Cameron Sports Show, it
Speaker 5: literally is them being like, yo, he had a great
Speaker 5: game yesterday. Pause, and then the other dude being like, yo,
Speaker 5: you wild being you were being crazy killing You can't
Speaker 5: say the nigga had a good game.
Speaker 2: You win.
Speaker 1: Killing a good game is crazy talking about like other
Speaker 1: things men have said that week.
Speaker 2: Did you see that?
Speaker 1: It was like Jack or somebody said something that's like,
Speaker 1: you know, he said that bah it is they're like fifty.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're fifty for sure, fifty and one of them
Speaker 5: used to be a pastor kind of it's crazy.
Speaker 2: So so to.
Speaker 5: Your point, I don't know that there's healing on the
Speaker 5: other side of this bory. Do you feel differently? Do
Speaker 5: you feel like there's healing to be found somewhere?
Speaker 2: I think it's doable. I think that, Okay.
Speaker 1: I think it's like that's the way everything is pushing
Speaker 1: right is, like those are the boundaries that are getting
Speaker 1: pushed more than everything right now. I think like across
Speaker 1: the board, you know. So I do think that there's
Speaker 1: redemption for it. I also think some people are able
Speaker 1: to get away with it. Remember when Bust of Rhymes
Speaker 1: wore addressed and that was cool, Like nobody seemed to
Speaker 1: have any I don't know if it's because he's a
Speaker 1: giant Jamaican.
Speaker 2: I don't know how he got away with it. So
Speaker 2: I think there's like space for it.
Speaker 5: Like, yeah, I feel like the whole late nineties bust
Speaker 5: of Rhymes was in like a geisha and ship.
Speaker 7: That's true.
Speaker 5: No is that a fucking thing?
Speaker 6: Buster Rhymes and Andre three thousand have seemed to be
Speaker 6: immune from the rest of it, like they said, shielded off. Also,
Speaker 6: it feels like it's a different thing when a comedian
Speaker 6: does it.
Speaker 2: I feel like.
Speaker 5: More I think, yeah, take issue with I think some
Speaker 5: of it is is that those are genuinely weird motherfuckers,
Speaker 5: versus what it feels like when a comedian does it.
Speaker 5: It is a little more of this was put on you.
Speaker 5: This was this was asked of you by a power
Speaker 5: that be, Whereas like young Thug put on a dress
Speaker 5: because young Thug thought he looked pretty, and who's gonna
Speaker 5: tell him otherwise he looked gorgeous and and I wasn't
Speaker 5: gonna tell him he didn't either way.
Speaker 1: I I also think about this with the comedian aspect.
Speaker 1: It's like that is like an old humor trope of
Speaker 1: a man dressed a like. White guys do it too
Speaker 1: a lot. I mean, in general, no one's doing it anymore,
Speaker 1: but white comedians used to do it all. Missus Doubtfire
Speaker 1: was one of my favorite movies.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, there's there's a Yeah, there there's a there's
Speaker 5: a few great examples, iconic examples of white men doing it.
Speaker 5: I will say it doesn't feel quite as pervasive in
Speaker 5: the white community as it does in the black community.
Speaker 5: But maybe that's just because there are more of them
Speaker 5: and and there are less of us. So it's a
Speaker 5: numbers game.
Speaker 6: I mean yeah, because because when you when you really
Speaker 6: think about the black men in the dress thing, I
Speaker 6: feel like people really point to like four people, you know,
Speaker 6: it's like not really more of the.
Speaker 2: Big black black dressmen.
Speaker 5: Yeah, who's the mount rushmore of Niggason dresses?
Speaker 2: That would I mean, it's we got we got Martin Laurie,
Speaker 2: uh huh oh yeah, big Mama's house.
Speaker 7: We got oh, we have Big Mama's house and on
Speaker 7: and he was a what's her name on the show?
Speaker 2: No, what we should go to? We should go to
Speaker 2: ad break before we do this come back, so.
Speaker 5: We'll leave a little cliffhanger here for everybody that's listening.
Speaker 5: We have Martin Lawrence as number one on the the
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Speaker 2: Okay, we are back with Devin Walker, and he was
Speaker 2: about to give us his mouth rushmore of niggas and
Speaker 2: dresses comedic or otherwise, no, just comedic, right, yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I feel like so I feel like we gotta go.
Speaker 6: We gotta go Martin Lawrence because he was he was
Speaker 6: in Dragon on Martin and so many characters.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so he did that. Uh, we gotta go, we
Speaker 7: gotta go.
Speaker 1: Jamie Fox, Mmmm, oh yeah, Wanda was funny, was very funny.
Speaker 7: I would argue, it's always funny. That's that's I think
Speaker 7: the problem is.
Speaker 2: I think that I think you're right, it's a pretty
Speaker 2: funny bit.
Speaker 5: And I think I think a bunch of white executives
Speaker 5: at the table also would make that argument.
Speaker 2: Jim Carrey also did it on that show.
Speaker 5: I don't remember that, and Jim Carrey ain't did it since,
Speaker 5: and I think that that's sort of the point, right.
Speaker 5: Jim Carrey was then allowed to go, you know, do
Speaker 5: a bunch of other things that did not involve the dress,
Speaker 5: whereas black men are sometimes positioned in a way where
Speaker 5: they have to keep themselves in the dress for the
Speaker 5: rest of their lives.
Speaker 2: What is that? How you feel about? What are you
Speaker 2: talking about? I don't I don't agree with that.
Speaker 5: I'm not saying I'm not saying it's my argument. I'm
Speaker 5: saying that that is the rand Er argument is like
Speaker 5: you become beholden to sort of like the wants of
Speaker 5: white expectations. And sometimes it's putting on address again. Sometimes
Speaker 5: it's doing a fucked up movie. Sometimes it's just a
Speaker 5: movie where you got a date a white lady and
Speaker 5: you raise a white family, but you black, and you
Speaker 5: don't never acknowledge it. Like I think that's what the
Speaker 5: conspiracy theory is doing. Is to stay rich, you keep
Speaker 5: doing the white man's bidding, and the best way of
Speaker 5: showing you're willing to do his bidding is to put
Speaker 5: on a dress.
Speaker 6: Yeah, shit, Like that always makes me think of that.
Speaker 6: I always think about the movie The blind Side. I
Speaker 6: think about that movie.
Speaker 5: Yeah, sure, because like if you ever.
Speaker 6: Like the guy who they based it off of, like
Speaker 6: in the in the movie, they make him look like
Speaker 6: he could barely talk.
Speaker 2: They make him look like, yeah, he was just sure,
Speaker 2: just like a bohemian idiot.
Speaker 7: Yeah, they make him look like you couldn't talk or
Speaker 7: read or write or anything.
Speaker 6: This family like taught him, like they made it seem
Speaker 6: like he grew up in like a hut on the
Speaker 6: side of the streets and they and they like.
Speaker 7: Taught him how to like use a use a fork
Speaker 7: like the that.
Speaker 5: Like, Michael, you got to button the shirt. You can't
Speaker 5: just put it off.
Speaker 7: And I just I feel like the verse of that,
Speaker 7: just a black family adopting a stupid ass white kid,
Speaker 7: would be so funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, everything, but I don't have any suntand lotions. That's
Speaker 2: deep minute.
Speaker 5: Seam right there, that's a lesson for both of us.
Speaker 2: And I take him back to his mother, like what's
Speaker 2: he all right?
Speaker 5: I don't know the voice.
Speaker 2: That's how they get.
Speaker 5: So so okay, we we have Martin Lawrence, we.
Speaker 7: Have Yep, we gotta we gotta go. Wayne's brothers.
Speaker 5: Wow are they holding a single spots so they are.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, they're there there Se and Marlin or a
Speaker 6: duo their package And then I'm the guy who did
Speaker 6: you wanta man doesn't feel like the right, that's.
Speaker 2: Not he's done it. In other movies he's done.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it kind of breaks the theory because like he
Speaker 6: didn't become like a big star.
Speaker 7: He didn't become he didn't.
Speaker 5: Know you know what I'm saying, Like he has some swing.
Speaker 2: I mean I knew his name off the rip.
Speaker 5: Yeah, true, but we didn't all know it.
Speaker 6: I remember that once you said it. Once you said it,
Speaker 6: I was like, ah, yeah that was.
Speaker 2: His name, because it wasn't. He wasn't.
Speaker 1: He wasn't in dragging that movie life, but he was
Speaker 1: very feminine in life.
Speaker 2: Yeah he was.
Speaker 5: He was queer in life, and part of the reason
Speaker 5: he wasn't in drag was and I think he does
Speaker 5: actually dress up in.
Speaker 2: Drag when they do the.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they they have that day where they get to
Speaker 5: like invite guests and sort of have like a sexy
Speaker 5: time and in the nightclub You're right, and they're dream
Speaker 5: dreaming about uh the coke what was it the Coco
Speaker 5: Coco room or that's right. Yeah, No, he he does
Speaker 5: wear drag in life. I think multiple times, I.
Speaker 6: Don't know, is there any big one? Is there any
Speaker 6: big one I'm missing? I feel like those are the
Speaker 6: big nineties.
Speaker 5: I think Eddie Murphy feels like a glaring miss.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 5: Listing Eddie Murphy as professor is almost exclus and norbit.
Speaker 5: He He also does quite a bit of drag, and
Speaker 5: I think he's sn l. He did a few characters where,
Speaker 5: if I'm not mistaken, where he did drag. He's done
Speaker 5: it a lot. He ain't he ain't missed no no
Speaker 5: turns in it.
Speaker 7: And he became and he was a giant, giant star.
Speaker 2: So it's like, yeah, the biggest.
Speaker 1: I'd say, the best to ever do it in a dress?
Speaker 1: Yeah I put him on.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah does and then and we'll get into the
Speaker 5: research in a second. But does fat suit negate the dress?
Speaker 2: I don't think it does. Okay, I kind of think
Speaker 2: it does well. But like when Tyler Perry dresses his media, Oh.
Speaker 6: My god, what we how do we that?
Speaker 5: Because the nigga ain't funny to me? But I think
Speaker 5: that's why I didn't listen. It made me laugh once.
Speaker 2: I go, I go soft on Tyler Perry. He's got
Speaker 2: me a couple of times.
Speaker 7: They used to They used to make us watch those
Speaker 7: plays after church.
Speaker 2: So like I basically like church again, yeah.
Speaker 6: Exactly, So like I have I have fond memories as
Speaker 6: a kid of watching the play specifically.
Speaker 2: Thank you. I was trying to tell that if they weren't.
Speaker 5: That bad, nah, like there there, you guys are mistaken.
Speaker 5: And we just rewatched Diary of a Mad Black Woman
Speaker 5: as for the podcast, and it was pretty neither one
Speaker 5: of us enjoyed that experience.
Speaker 6: So I feel like you would appreciate Tyler Perry just
Speaker 6: because he's a He's a champion of a light skin man.
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Listen, he put as.
Speaker 6: The knights and shining armor in most of his films.
Speaker 6: It's a wrong and then a beautiful light skin nigga.
Speaker 6: Michael Eally might have been one of them. That could
Speaker 6: be you, bro, you better look. Hey, hey, mister Perry,
Speaker 6: if you listening, les don't mean what he's saying.
Speaker 7: You don't mean what he's.
Speaker 2: Saying, Devin.
Speaker 3: Let me be clear.
Speaker 2: Let me be clear.
Speaker 5: The fact that Tyler Perry is listening facts in his
Speaker 5: film sometimes does not does not change my issues with
Speaker 5: the quality of the films he's making. Are I skin
Speaker 5: people the heroes in the story?
Speaker 2: Absolutely, we are.
Speaker 5: Absolutely we are objectively that is trip, But does that
Speaker 5: make Tyler Perry a good filmmaker?
Speaker 2: It does not.
Speaker 5: It just means that sometimes sometimes the man is right. Oh,
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Speaker 1: really fun. We have a two tone an alien dad hat,
Speaker 1: the traditional logo in black and khaki. Then we have
Speaker 1: the enamel pen with the alien who has a koofie
Speaker 1: on it since my mama told me. And then we
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Speaker 2: Who you are.
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Speaker 5: brand new name, but it's the same old merch and
Speaker 5: we would love for you to get some if you
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Speaker 5: all the sweet stuff, so get it. I did a
Speaker 5: little bit of research on your conspiracy that I'd love
Speaker 5: to unpack with you. The most articulated, i would say,
Speaker 5: most iconic breakdown of this conspiracy theory comes from that
Speaker 5: two thousand and six interview that Dave Chappelle does on
Speaker 5: Oprah where he explains his refusal to wear a dress
Speaker 5: on set of Blue Streak that basically.
Speaker 2: They didn't beat it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, weird, that's what And that's part of his argument
Speaker 5: inside of this thing is that, like he showed up
Speaker 5: one day on set, he'd been doing very well on
Speaker 5: the film, having a good time, and then there's a
Speaker 5: dress in his dressing room and he goes, hey, what's
Speaker 5: this for? And they go, oh, Dave, we have this
Speaker 5: really funny scene we just added. We think it'd be
Speaker 5: hilarious if when Martin's breaking out of the jail, he
Speaker 5: disguises or he hides behind you who is dressed as
Speaker 5: a prostitute in using his words sex worker, and basically
Speaker 5: says like this is the bit, so put on the dress.
Speaker 5: We're gonna shoot that, and Dave goes, no, I'm not
Speaker 5: comfortable with that, and then producers get called in, then
Speaker 5: the director gets called in. Dave's being told he's difficult
Speaker 5: and unwilling to play ball for a very funny scene,
Speaker 5: and ultimately he refuses, and then they immediately change the
Speaker 5: script back to a scene where he doesn't have to
Speaker 5: wear a dress and it all is resolved in ten minutes.
Speaker 5: And so his argument is like, if it only took
Speaker 5: ten minutes, then y'all already knew a different option for this.
Speaker 5: You just wanted to degrade me and lessen me as
Speaker 5: a black man.
Speaker 2: Do you think it's a black man thing or just
Speaker 2: like a not great sense of humor thing within that
Speaker 2: specific because we've all been in a position to get
Speaker 2: like network type notes where you're like, but this is stupid,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm.
Speaker 1: Saying, like like, like, I this.
Speaker 2: Is a weird side to be on this. I guess
Speaker 2: I'm on their side.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you've always been on the producer side and the
Speaker 5: strike whoa.
Speaker 3: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa.
Speaker 2: Hey, don't do that, No.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no no.
Speaker 2: And also you know how did.
Speaker 3: All this travel begin a magica?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 2: Yeah no, but I do. I do think there's a
Speaker 2: case for the idea that like they're just like not funny.
Speaker 5: And that that is part of what Dave says in
Speaker 5: the interview is that he goes like the guy goes,
Speaker 5: this is a funny bit. So many great comedians have
Speaker 5: done a bit like this, and he's like, well, if
Speaker 5: they've done it, then attack and we can write something better.
Speaker 5: They go, you difficult motherfucker. So it's hard to know,
Speaker 5: and I do air closer to the side of being like,
Speaker 5: this is probably just hacky and just sort of lazy
Speaker 5: writing more than it is like intentionally trying to take
Speaker 5: down Dave Chappelle. That's or take power from Dave Chappelle.
Speaker 5: That said, I don't think, if I'm being honest, that
Speaker 5: I go, Oh, they didn't. They would have done that
Speaker 5: same thing to to whoever the white counterpart to Dave
Speaker 5: Chappelle is on a film by surprising him with a
Speaker 5: dress scene out of nowhere.
Speaker 7: Right, ever, put Michael Rappaport in the dress.
Speaker 5: Yes, and and that'd be funny probably, but they're not
Speaker 5: ever gonna try.
Speaker 2: Yeah they got Chris Rock.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they got Chris Rock. And in fact, I'm glad
Speaker 5: you brought that up because I made a list of
Speaker 5: who I know so far based off of various versions
Speaker 5: of Internet slewthing to have participated in wearing dresses. And
Speaker 5: it's worth noting that some of this came from a
Speaker 5: TikTok that I found that breaks down all of this
Speaker 5: conspiracy theory, and that TikTok page is also includes videos
Speaker 5: called things like Transgenders Versus Real Women and my personal favorite,
Speaker 5: Black China sold his Soul to the Devil. So I
Speaker 5: think it's a pretty progressive bunch. That's that's managing this
Speaker 5: this account. But the list is pretty it's fucking crazy.
Speaker 5: There's Richard Pryor, Flip Wilson, Wesley Snipes, Ving Raims, Chris Tucker,
Speaker 5: Eddie Murphy, Martin Lawrence, miguel A Nunez, Tyler Perry, Arsenio Hall,
Speaker 5: all of the Wayans Brothers, Kevin Thompson, Kel Mitchell, Nick,
Speaker 5: Nick Cannon, Jamie Fox, Brandon t. Jackson, Terry Crews, Kid Cutting,
Speaker 5: Young Thug, a slew of other musicians. The list sort
Speaker 5: of goes on from there, but but it is it
Speaker 5: is an impressive list.
Speaker 2: Patricia O'Neill, Yeah, one.
Speaker 7: God, you know that would have you know, that would
Speaker 7: have been funny.
Speaker 1: Goddamn, he would be hilarious address objectively, they'd be so funny.
Speaker 6: And a Halloween episode of the Office from two thousand
Speaker 6: and seven where the guys from the warehouse addresses that's
Speaker 6: it's right, it's right, it's right there, it's it's already
Speaker 6: so funny.
Speaker 5: Goddamn, but.
Speaker 6: You would have rocked the ship out of that, would
Speaker 6: have that that might have got him the Emmy for real.
Speaker 5: They would have made him, They would have made him
Speaker 5: serious regular if you put.
Speaker 6: But I look also look that list. You can't all
Speaker 6: those All black men wearing a dress are not created equal,
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying, Like kind of like you
Speaker 6: was like Chris Rock wearing a dress on the Fresh Prints.
Speaker 6: It's very different than young thug or like Kid Cutty
Speaker 6: wearing a dress. I will say, I'm a big I'm
Speaker 6: a big Kid Cutty fan. Did y'all see what do
Speaker 6: you wear?
Speaker 7: The dress?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: He looked like ship to me.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was like it was weird, Like it was
Speaker 6: like I disagree with it on a like you you're
Speaker 6: somehow making this thing not cool, Like I get you're,
Speaker 6: like you think it's so cool that you're doing it
Speaker 6: that it kind of makes me not like it.
Speaker 7: That's the one that's the one that I minded the most.
Speaker 5: Weirdly, it bugged me. It was it it felt way
Speaker 5: too much. Yeah, he he wanted to wear a dress
Speaker 5: to to prove a point whatever, but he just didn't
Speaker 5: look good.
Speaker 2: No, I don't know. I don't think he chose to
Speaker 2: write dress for his body.
Speaker 5: No, he looked bad and it was like that weird
Speaker 5: homage to Kurt Cobain, and like all of it was
Speaker 5: just like you're you're doing too much ship at once. Bro,
Speaker 5: Just just sing your little, your little sad songs.
Speaker 2: I don't need none of this.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's that's that's the biggest problem I've actually had
Speaker 7: with a man in a dress is kick cutting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't think musicians should even be
Speaker 1: in this conversation.
Speaker 7: Exactly, because I think it's just what about? What about?
Speaker 7: What about?
Speaker 6: Like like Russell Westbrook, Do you think he's Do you
Speaker 6: think he's involved in this conversation?
Speaker 2: Do you think that you think? But he is hilarious,
Speaker 2: He's very funny.
Speaker 5: I will say that he is who the barbershop points
Speaker 5: to now in a contemporary sense of this same conspiracy theory, though,
Speaker 5: right that like, well at least for years now less
Speaker 5: so now he's sort of aged out of like the
Speaker 5: shock and awe fashion and it is a little more
Speaker 5: like grounded in his fashion. But when he was in
Speaker 5: the height of his shock and awe fashion, they definitely
Speaker 5: were like that nigga's being brainwashed by the powers that
Speaker 5: be whatever, whatever.
Speaker 6: It's all it's Russell Westbrook and it's little na sex.
Speaker 6: Old niggas a really hard time with lown sex. They
Speaker 6: really can't handle him being.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you think it's because it's never been as blatant,
Speaker 2: is that like in the.
Speaker 1: In the you know what I mean, Like like like
Speaker 1: the Rodeo video is like that's like that's like aggressive.
Speaker 1: I don't think that has been a ton of stuff
Speaker 1: in like main culture that people have seen like that
Speaker 1: from a black man.
Speaker 5: A black man demonstrating like queer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like they've been there, but it's never you don't
Speaker 1: you don't see it to that level.
Speaker 2: I don't think, right, Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 7: He's the first like really big pop star that is
Speaker 7: like a gay black.
Speaker 1: Man, right yeah, right right, And it's like expressed, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, like I feel like it would be like
Speaker 1: things you hear people say, but never like like the
Speaker 1: imagery like in the video and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: No, Tevin cam Bro Kevin last year, Kevin Kemble just.
Speaker 7: Came out like in like twenty twenty one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's had to work through a lot of ship
Speaker 5: before he got comfortable being like I think I like men,
Speaker 5: and we knew it.
Speaker 2: Come on, Tevin, you were tricking anybody now.
Speaker 5: But when when we found out for real, Like not
Speaker 5: when he announced it, but when we found out, the
Speaker 5: industry turned on him hard in a way that I
Speaker 5: don't think he ever fully recovered from.
Speaker 2: Damn, I didn't. I didn't know that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I would say that that at least
Speaker 5: my understanding, And some of this is coming from my mother,
Speaker 5: who who fully unbiased source, But I think my understanding
Speaker 5: was that Tevin Campbell sort of like when he was
Speaker 5: a cute kid and even as like a cool sexy
Speaker 5: adult was singing about women, we loved him. And then
Speaker 5: it became sort of a parent that he was queer,
Speaker 5: and the industry stopped fucking with him the same way
Speaker 5: that they used to like with them.
Speaker 2: They like, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 6: It's it's funny because like, by that theory, the industry
Speaker 6: kind of wants you to They want you to like
Speaker 6: seem gay on camera, but not be gay in real life.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm about it.
Speaker 1: That's where this song comes from, right, is It's like,
Speaker 1: I feel like the men who were in dresses, I
Speaker 1: don't feel like what you hear is that they're gay.
Speaker 2: What they're what you're well, they're making them look gay, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: But I don't think people thought Eddie Murphy was gay.
Speaker 5: Well, I think, and there was.
Speaker 2: There's other parts of that, there's other parts of that.
Speaker 5: But I I hear you, Martin Lawrence was never being
Speaker 5: called gay. Martin Lawrence was said to have been a
Speaker 5: masculated for.
Speaker 2: Brainwashed.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's a tough it's tough because yeah,
Speaker 5: I I don't know. Some of this does feel like
Speaker 5: it's obviously propaganda, it's obviously manipulative. But I do think
Speaker 5: some of the things that end up being greenlit or
Speaker 5: celebrated or treated with a reverence to your point, Devin
Speaker 5: of like, Yo, the next time I'm in a car,
Speaker 5: I worry that my most famous thing is going to
Speaker 5: be this one off bit that I did. Is a
Speaker 5: real fear and and frankly is is one that that
Speaker 5: you can't just ignore or simply because you feel progressive
Speaker 5: as it relates to queer rights and visibility and all
Speaker 5: of that shit.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think, yeah, add percent, that's why we
Speaker 2: all were all pretty progressive. Nobody was like hell yeah,
Speaker 2: put address on me like, it's like you gotta yeah,
Speaker 2: you do have to worry about that.
Speaker 5: I read an NPR article about the same issue, and
Speaker 5: this was I think more of like a I guess,
Speaker 5: like an opinion piece, I dare say, But the author
Speaker 5: sort of references the black men in the Dress to
Speaker 5: a Carter G. Woodson book, The Miseducation of the Negro,
Speaker 5: and in the book, Woodson argues that when someone is
Speaker 5: repeatedly sent to the back door so often that they
Speaker 5: eventually don't even know need to be told to go
Speaker 5: to the front door or to the back door, that
Speaker 5: they will just naturally go to the back door because
Speaker 5: that is the place that they've been assigned. And he
Speaker 5: goes on to say that they are become so conditioned
Speaker 5: side of this that when it comes to literally the
Speaker 5: back door, if you showed up to that same back
Speaker 5: door and the back door did not exist, you would
Speaker 5: try to cut a hole into the space where the
Speaker 5: back door did exist, rather than walking through the front.
Speaker 5: And he basically suggests that this is the type of
Speaker 5: brainwashing that comes from the types of people who choose
Speaker 5: the dress for themselves in comedy, that like an Eddie
Speaker 5: Murphy who made a movie where he wanted to wear.
Speaker 5: The dress is sort of conditioned as a sort of
Speaker 5: like sub inside of the white hierarchy, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1: I don't I understand the point that that's being made.
Speaker 1: I don't think I necessarily agree with that, because I
Speaker 1: think a lot of it. I think a lot of
Speaker 1: this also boils down to how humor works and how
Speaker 1: people work with the humor that like vulnerability or being
Speaker 1: the other, whatever is humorous. That's like the state of comedy.
Speaker 1: Like I think there's a reason that it's not like
Speaker 1: just a black Like I said before, a lot a
Speaker 1: lot of people, a lot of humor is based as
Speaker 1: men dressing up like women and vice versa.
Speaker 2: British people love that shit. They love that shiit, love it.
Speaker 2: They just think it silly look a bloke in a jumper.
Speaker 2: I don't know how dunk. But the point is, like,
Speaker 2: I'll give a shit about you guys.
Speaker 1: But the but the point to me is that like
Speaker 1: I understand what they're saying, but that we do need
Speaker 1: to allow some space for the idea of this. Sh
Speaker 1: It's just funny, man, you know, It's like it is
Speaker 1: funny and it's funny to be vulnerable and I think
Speaker 1: that that's where a lot of that comes from. Like
Speaker 1: if this is if it was just black men, I
Speaker 1: would have a bigger issue. But it's like it's like
Speaker 1: a tenet of humor, dressing up like something you're not
Speaker 1: always it's funny.
Speaker 5: And it also if if we could untoether this from
Speaker 5: all of the homophobia and all of these sort of
Speaker 5: like mal intentioned perspectives that are connected to this that
Speaker 5: have nothing to do with you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: Like like at the root of it, address is not
Speaker 5: necessarily emasculation. Address is address, and you can be masculine
Speaker 5: inside of address. But our own homophobia, in years of conditioning,
Speaker 5: make us see it as a version of emasculation. And
Speaker 5: that's what makes us complicated. It's not it's not the
Speaker 5: dress itself that makes us weaker. It is our own
Speaker 5: sense of self that makes us weaker. And address just
Speaker 5: is our articulation of that.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 7: Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 2: That's why I'm on the But does that you know
Speaker 2: what I mean?
Speaker 5: Would you say that you're not at all?
Speaker 2: No, Look, I'm a dog. He's as black as can be,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? We all have the things
Speaker 2: that we're good at on this podcast.
Speaker 5: We all contribute here, and my mama told me so
Speaker 5: it sounds like we've all sort of landed this plane.
Speaker 5: We don't think that it's necessarily a legit conspiracy theory.
Speaker 2: We're not.
Speaker 5: We're not firm believers that this is some deep Hollywood
Speaker 5: agenda to like transform the black man into an emasculated
Speaker 5: version of himself. That said, we ain't rushing to be
Speaker 5: at the front of the line when it comes to
Speaker 5: participating in the bit.
Speaker 2: And to be fair, I think there's also space for
Speaker 2: there to be times that it is that, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, I think there is fully possible.
Speaker 5: I think both the both the weaponizing and the humor
Speaker 5: of it being funny and also date dress.
Speaker 6: On the other side, I think that when we're allowed
Speaker 6: to write again, the three of us should all work
Speaker 6: on a remake, a reboot of BAPS.
Speaker 7: I think we should.
Speaker 6: I think that I think it should start all three
Speaker 6: of us, and we should bring it to Universal Pictures.
Speaker 7: Let's let's get that off the ground. We're allowed to, so.
Speaker 2: That also that white Baby thing, come on me, Kiky Palmer,
Speaker 2: White Baby one of those Disney Channel freaks.
Speaker 5: Like Okay, see you changed the story a little bit
Speaker 5: because it was you with a white family, but now
Speaker 5: it's you and.
Speaker 2: Palmer raised a white baby. Yeah, still pretty good. I
Speaker 2: think I could go either way. This is good.
Speaker 5: This is writers you were pitching.
Speaker 7: And Timothy Shallow may just as Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then and then my caps is the grandpa also.
Speaker 7: Right there.
Speaker 5: Come on, you're just teaching, teaching. Timothy Shallow made to
Speaker 5: use a washcloth and he.
Speaker 2: Can't out smoking black and miles that make him smoke
Speaker 2: the whole pack.
Speaker 5: He gets real sick smoking a pack of cigarettes.
Speaker 7: He's smoking wood wood tip blacks.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: By then he looks like et when he was a
Speaker 5: rage from home for too long. It's like, bro, we
Speaker 5: gotta get him out of here. This ain't this ain't
Speaker 5: a good house for him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're gonna call CPS. This is childhood, Devin.
Speaker 5: This was this is great. I think we did it
Speaker 5: because you tell the people where they can find you
Speaker 5: and and what cool ship you have going on.
Speaker 7: I'm on tour right now, so just find me.
Speaker 6: Find me online from my Instagram or Twitter or whatever
Speaker 6: you can find on my tour info. I don't know
Speaker 6: when this is gonna be out, but I'm touring for
Speaker 6: like the next month, so come see a show.
Speaker 5: Hell yeah, and poor you want to tell the people
Speaker 5: where they can find uh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm well. First of all, you can catch us
Speaker 1: on tour, because this comes out next week. You can
Speaker 1: catch us. We still got two more weeks on tour.
Speaker 1: You can come out and catch us. That'll be in Texas,
Speaker 1: Houston and Austin, and then the weekend after that New
Speaker 1: York and Pittsburgh and Chicago, in Chicago and Chicago, and
Speaker 1: then I go on my own tour bring David aplate
Speaker 1: dot com. Just added a few dates Columbus, Cincinnati, some
Speaker 1: other stuff, and that's my solo tour.
Speaker 2: Cool guy jokes eighty seven on Instagram.
Speaker 5: Hell yeah, And as always, you can follow me at
Speaker 5: Langston Herman and come to that goddamn my mama told
Speaker 5: me live tour. We are very excited to see you
Speaker 5: in person. And more importantly, if you want to send
Speaker 5: us drops, if you want to send us your own conspiracies,
Speaker 5: if you want to send us pictures of white men
Speaker 5: in dresses who have benefited from from Hollywood's agenda, then
Speaker 5: send it all to my mama pod at gmail dot com.
Speaker 5: We would love to hear from you. That's about it.
Speaker 5: By bit when they referred to.
Speaker 4: The government bronames, my grown chips and your names, all
Speaker 4: Kuala bears are racist. The host of layer of host
Speaker 4: and money, five ships and many Turkey stuff.
Speaker 2: I can't tell me noth