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Speaker 1: To be fair, much like a black man in address.

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Speaker 2: You're like, you're just thinking about it. I love it.

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Speaker 2: Sorry half written.

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Speaker 4: I think that would be babies and yours are racist.

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Speaker 2: As money in turn stuff.

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Speaker 5: I can't tell me, knig if you buck bitch, there

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Speaker 5: it is there it is. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to

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Speaker 5: another phenomenal episode of My Mama Told Me.

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Speaker 1: The podcast that dives deep into the pockets of black

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Speaker 1: conspiracy theories.

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Speaker 5: And we finally work to prove that we only know

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Speaker 5: the name Christmas Addicts because of white people's unquenchable thirst

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Speaker 5: for black death. That nigga did nothing in the Revolutionary War.

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Speaker 5: He didn't contribute one bit, and for some fucking reason,

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Speaker 5: they keep putting him in our history books. There's no

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Speaker 5: in a war. They don't do that for any other war.

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Speaker 5: There's not another fucking war where you know the first

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Speaker 5: every goddamn body. If that's not a conspiracy, I.

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Speaker 2: Don't know what is? What about World War one?

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Speaker 5: World War one? That German chancellor, motherfucker.

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Speaker 2: Archduke Ferdinand or whatever.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we barely know him.

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Speaker 2: Do you know? Christmas addicts better than him.

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Speaker 5: You know, Christmas addicts way better. You don't even know

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Speaker 5: what the Archduke looks.

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Speaker 2: Like, not at all. And I've seen so many drunks.

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Speaker 2: He's always drawn.

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Speaker 5: Yeah they didn't, but they got pictures of Christmas ass

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 5: They love that Christmas and what the fuck is a Christmas?

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Speaker 5: I hate that they do this to us.

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Speaker 2: That is a made up fucking name.

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Speaker 5: Come on, man, I'm Langston Kerman and I'm furious.

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Speaker 1: I'm David Boy, and I'm equally upset.

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Speaker 2: We have.

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Speaker 5: We have a phenomenal guest here today who I hope

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Speaker 2: We don't.

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Speaker 5: We don't play that ship if he's a Christmas ads apologizer.

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Speaker 2: But he is.

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Speaker 5: He's a phenomenal comedian. He's hilarious. You know him from

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Speaker 5: from all kinds of work, most of which were not

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Speaker 5: But but most importantly, you know him from when It's

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Speaker 5: He's hilarious. Please give it up for Devin Walker.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I didn't know if I was supposed to pop in.

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Speaker 7: But also, like Christmas Addicts, he is high schools named

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, that's crazy, Like how do

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Speaker 5: Ain't no Archduke Ferdinand high School?

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Speaker 2: It would make more sense because like, why does he

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Speaker 5: David Bory David Borrie Elementary.

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Speaker 2: Is high school? Don't you that to me?

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Speaker 5: You small?

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Speaker 2: But you're like, we're dreaming, and we're dreaming. We're dreaming.

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Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: I think it makes it sounds like the school, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 7: Really, I think I could hear it.

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Speaker 5: Maybe I gotta maybe I gotta do some self reflection.

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Speaker 5: Maybe there's some self hatred inside of this that I got.

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Speaker 7: The high school I went to was called Flugerville High School.

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Speaker 6: He was like the guy who created the town that

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Speaker 7: I grew up in a town outside of Austin called Fluerville, Texas.

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Speaker 5: Fuck, So you just had a local, a local man

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Speaker 5: I think that's Nah, this is grossing me out.

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Speaker 3: Just let the man be dead.

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Speaker 5: Stop writing about him and telling everybody he got beat up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I bet his cousins and like brothers and sisters

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Speaker 5: The Addicts family is not happy about what's happening here.

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Speaker 2: Devin.

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Speaker 5: You you you came to us with a conspiracy theory

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Speaker 2: This is rough.

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Speaker 6: Sports at the at the bottom, it says a storied legacy,

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Speaker 6: our legacy of serving African American students in Indianapolis continues today.

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Speaker 2: God damn. So it's basically like just go here and

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Speaker 5: That's my other problem with Christmas Attics High School is

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Speaker 2: He was a loser.

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Speaker 5: Just let him be a loser. He got shot.

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Speaker 5: Cool, Come on, man, do no cool neo kicks.

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Speaker 2: He just got shot. He probably didn't even have like

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Speaker 5: They yeah, you know, they're like, oh, monkey Jim.

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Speaker 5: Who's gonna play the spoons?

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Speaker 7: I love so much this podcast on Will Ferrell's network.

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Speaker 5: That's okay. I don't think he listens.

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Speaker 2: Impossible.

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Speaker 2: Well basically saying it in his name.

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Speaker 5: At the end of every episode, we say praise Will Ferrell.

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Speaker 2: Ferrey almost exclusive. Yeah, what do you think we got it?

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Speaker 5: Devin? You came to us with a conspiracy theory that

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Speaker 5: conspiracy theory. You said, my mama told me black man

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Speaker 2: Bro? What the.

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Speaker 5: To jump in?

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Speaker 2: Whenever you.

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Speaker 5: Process whatever that.

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Speaker 7: I really wasn't ready for that.

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Speaker 6: I thought, I really thought you were gonna pull like

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Speaker 7: This is mostly strangers? That's who tell you it's most

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Speaker 1: It's hard, right because I don't think I don't think

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Speaker 5: I put a chicken suit on. Funny to me, dress

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Speaker 2: I want to be free.

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Speaker 5: I don't want to sort of be beholden to a

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Speaker 8: So yes, you ugly and I don't want that to

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Speaker 2: For a live show.

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Speaker 5: For a live show.

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Speaker 2: Uh does that make a difference, I don't know.

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Speaker 7: This was not pre recorded.

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Speaker 5: I dressed up as Sylvia Plath because we had to

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Speaker 5: Yeah, like a tiny easy bag oven that I was

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Speaker 2: She killed herself. I used to have a joke about that.

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Speaker 5: About her blowing or melting her head.

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Speaker 2: And I feel like you didn't answer straight up though,

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Speaker 5: Current? I think, in my current, in my current today,

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Speaker 2: Know, have you seen Man.

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Speaker 7: Jouanna Man?

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Speaker 6: And White Chicks came out when I was like eleven

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Speaker 1: And that's the issue.

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Speaker 4: I know.

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Speaker 7: I know I'd be a big ass lady.

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, you're so.

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Speaker 7: You know, I'm a six foot three lady. And then

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Speaker 5: I'm wearing a cart that's you know, like our linebacker

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Speaker 7: There's already something there to it, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 7: It's just like I don't want to have to keep

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Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, it's gonna be it's gonna

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Speaker 5: I just want to keep going to the barber shop

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Speaker 5: and you know, things more complicated that I don't even

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Speaker 5: of like, you know, I ain't one of them that

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Speaker 5: And I want to be able to stay quietly an

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Speaker 1: Because they they're already looking at me. Funny, because like

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Speaker 2: Like, what did you do? I didn't think it was crazy.

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Speaker 2: Uh Like so like I can't, I can't. I can't

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Speaker 7: What what noise did you make in video?

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Speaker 2: If you buy it, if you buy tickets to one

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Speaker 5: I gotta know.

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Speaker 1: I didn't think it was that bad. He but like

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Speaker 2: And that's not what happened. Hold on, yo, let's go.

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Speaker 2: Let's go.

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Speaker 9: This is longer than I remember, so you know, I

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Speaker 2: But just to say I can't I can't also wear

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Speaker 5: That's that's so much homophobia that they were crew that

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Speaker 2: One of the best times in my life. I can't

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Speaker 5: You can't just let a real, real reaction come out

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Speaker 2: And I don't think it was that bad. You guys

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Speaker 5: It didn't sound crazy to me, But in context of

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Speaker 2: To get you your back alone. Now, Yeah, it's about

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Speaker 5: It's about to happen, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, that's how that's all. It's that's all it's sound like,

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Speaker 6: The fun up thing about these those kind of environments too,

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Speaker 7: Like it's like you guys can call me gay if

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Speaker 6: But then as soon as people start saying shit like that,

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Speaker 7: I mean I ain't really nah, I mean I ain't.

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Speaker 7: I ain't what you mean. Like, I'm like, I know I.

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Speaker 6: Would go into that mode and and I'd be disappointed

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Speaker 5: No, I think we we don't care because we have

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Speaker 5: it turns into a very different energy. Like it feels

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Speaker 5: it feels crazy to try to stand up for what's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then it makes your voice sound even higher,

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Speaker 1: like actually, like nobody wants that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, No, it's it's rough, So it sounds like Devin

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Speaker 5: inside of this you are. You are not a believer

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Speaker 5: necessarily in the grander conspiracy, but you are sort of

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Speaker 6: That is a much more academic way of putting it

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Speaker 5: I guess the best follow up question I have for

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Speaker 5: that is, what do we do about this? Is this

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Speaker 5: of like the the you know skit motherfuckers like niggas

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Speaker 5: So like, do you think we can ever change that perspective?

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Speaker 7: Uh? I don't. I think no, no, no, well.

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Speaker 6: No, probably I wanted to be like, yeah, like, you know,

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Speaker 6: just when I was in Houston.

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Speaker 7: You know, I'm from Texas.

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Speaker 6: I grew up there, and like I have a chunk

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Speaker 2: Way, like voting or something.

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Speaker 7: It turned the room in such a crazy way. I

450
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 7: was like, I forget I'm from here, and I'd be

451
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Speaker 7: forgetting about homophobia. I'll be forgetting about that is like

452
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Speaker 7: much more the norm.

453
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Speaker 1: Than like, you know, a lot of dude that's their

454
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Speaker 1: whole sense of humor, you know what I'm saying.

455
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Speaker 5: So it's like, no, have a sports show that is

456
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 5: entirely dedicated to almost talking about sports, but then getting

457
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,399
Speaker 5: distracted by the gay things that the other person said.

458
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Speaker 5: If you've if you've never watched Cameron Sports Show, it

459
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,120
Speaker 5: literally is them being like, yo, he had a great

460
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Speaker 5: game yesterday. Pause, and then the other dude being like, yo,

461
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Speaker 5: you wild being you were being crazy killing You can't

462
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Speaker 5: say the nigga had a good game.

463
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Speaker 2: You win.

464
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Speaker 1: Killing a good game is crazy talking about like other

465
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Speaker 1: things men have said that week.

466
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Speaker 2: Did you see that?

467
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Speaker 1: It was like Jack or somebody said something that's like,

468
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Speaker 1: you know, he said that bah it is they're like fifty.

469
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Speaker 5: Yeah, they're fifty for sure, fifty and one of them

470
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Speaker 5: used to be a pastor kind of it's crazy.

471
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Speaker 2: So so to.

472
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Speaker 5: Your point, I don't know that there's healing on the

473
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Speaker 5: other side of this bory. Do you feel differently? Do

474
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 5: you feel like there's healing to be found somewhere?

475
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 2: I think it's doable. I think that, Okay.

476
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 1: I think it's like that's the way everything is pushing

477
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Speaker 1: right is, like those are the boundaries that are getting

478
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Speaker 1: pushed more than everything right now. I think like across

479
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Speaker 1: the board, you know. So I do think that there's

480
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Speaker 1: redemption for it. I also think some people are able

481
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Speaker 1: to get away with it. Remember when Bust of Rhymes

482
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Speaker 1: wore addressed and that was cool, Like nobody seemed to

483
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Speaker 1: have any I don't know if it's because he's a

484
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Speaker 1: giant Jamaican.

485
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Speaker 2: I don't know how he got away with it. So

486
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Speaker 2: I think there's like space for it.

487
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Speaker 5: Like, yeah, I feel like the whole late nineties bust

488
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Speaker 5: of Rhymes was in like a geisha and ship.

489
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Speaker 7: That's true.

490
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Speaker 5: No is that a fucking thing?

491
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Speaker 6: Buster Rhymes and Andre three thousand have seemed to be

492
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Speaker 6: immune from the rest of it, like they said, shielded off. Also,

493
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Speaker 6: it feels like it's a different thing when a comedian

494
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Speaker 6: does it.

495
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Speaker 2: I feel like.

496
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Speaker 5: More I think, yeah, take issue with I think some

497
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 5: of it is is that those are genuinely weird motherfuckers,

498
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Speaker 5: versus what it feels like when a comedian does it.

499
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 5: It is a little more of this was put on you.

500
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Speaker 5: This was this was asked of you by a power

501
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 5: that be, Whereas like young Thug put on a dress

502
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 5: because young Thug thought he looked pretty, and who's gonna

503
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:54,400
Speaker 5: tell him otherwise he looked gorgeous and and I wasn't

504
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 5: gonna tell him he didn't either way.

505
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Speaker 1: I I also think about this with the comedian aspect.

506
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Speaker 1: It's like that is like an old humor trope of

507
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 1: a man dressed a like. White guys do it too

508
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Speaker 1: a lot. I mean, in general, no one's doing it anymore,

509
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: but white comedians used to do it all. Missus Doubtfire

510
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 1: was one of my favorite movies.

511
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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, there's there's a Yeah, there there's a there's

512
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 5: a few great examples, iconic examples of white men doing it.

513
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Speaker 5: I will say it doesn't feel quite as pervasive in

514
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 5: the white community as it does in the black community.

515
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 5: But maybe that's just because there are more of them

516
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 5: and and there are less of us. So it's a

517
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 5: numbers game.

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Speaker 6: I mean yeah, because because when you when you really

519
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Speaker 6: think about the black men in the dress thing, I

520
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 6: feel like people really point to like four people, you know,

521
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Speaker 6: it's like not really more of the.

522
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Speaker 2: Big black black dressmen.

523
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Speaker 5: Yeah, who's the mount rushmore of Niggason dresses?

524
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Speaker 2: That would I mean, it's we got we got Martin Laurie,

525
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Speaker 2: uh huh oh yeah, big Mama's house.

526
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Speaker 7: We got oh, we have Big Mama's house and on

527
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Speaker 7: and he was a what's her name on the show?

528
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Speaker 2: No, what we should go to? We should go to

529
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Speaker 2: ad break before we do this come back, so.

530
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Speaker 5: We'll leave a little cliffhanger here for everybody that's listening.

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Speaker 5: We have Martin Lawrence as number one on the the

532
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Speaker 5: Mount Rushmore. But when we come back, we'll be back

533
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Speaker 5: with more Devin Walker more, my mama told me, and

534
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Speaker 5: we'll get the rest the three remaining Mount Rushmore contributors. Okay, yeah,

535
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Speaker 2: Okay, we are back with Devin Walker, and he was

556
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Speaker 2: about to give us his mouth rushmore of niggas and

557
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Speaker 2: dresses comedic or otherwise, no, just comedic, right, yeah.

558
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I feel like so I feel like we gotta go.

559
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Speaker 6: We gotta go Martin Lawrence because he was he was

560
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Speaker 6: in Dragon on Martin and so many characters.

561
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Speaker 7: Yeah, so he did that. Uh, we gotta go, we

562
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Speaker 7: gotta go.

563
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Speaker 1: Jamie Fox, Mmmm, oh yeah, Wanda was funny, was very funny.

564
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Speaker 7: I would argue, it's always funny. That's that's I think

565
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Speaker 7: the problem is.

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Speaker 2: I think that I think you're right, it's a pretty

567
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Speaker 2: funny bit.

568
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Speaker 5: And I think I think a bunch of white executives

569
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Speaker 5: at the table also would make that argument.

570
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Speaker 2: Jim Carrey also did it on that show.

571
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Speaker 5: I don't remember that, and Jim Carrey ain't did it since,

572
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 5: and I think that that's sort of the point, right.

573
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Speaker 5: Jim Carrey was then allowed to go, you know, do

574
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Speaker 5: a bunch of other things that did not involve the dress,

575
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Speaker 5: whereas black men are sometimes positioned in a way where

576
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Speaker 5: they have to keep themselves in the dress for the

577
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Speaker 5: rest of their lives.

578
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Speaker 2: What is that? How you feel about? What are you

579
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Speaker 2: talking about? I don't I don't agree with that.

580
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Speaker 5: I'm not saying I'm not saying it's my argument. I'm

581
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 5: saying that that is the rand Er argument is like

582
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 5: you become beholden to sort of like the wants of

583
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 5: white expectations. And sometimes it's putting on address again. Sometimes

584
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 5: it's doing a fucked up movie. Sometimes it's just a

585
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 5: movie where you got a date a white lady and

586
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 5: you raise a white family, but you black, and you

587
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 5: don't never acknowledge it. Like I think that's what the

588
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 5: conspiracy theory is doing. Is to stay rich, you keep

589
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 5: doing the white man's bidding, and the best way of

590
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 5: showing you're willing to do his bidding is to put

591
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Speaker 5: on a dress.

592
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Speaker 6: Yeah, shit, Like that always makes me think of that.

593
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Speaker 6: I always think about the movie The blind Side. I

594
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Speaker 6: think about that movie.

595
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Speaker 5: Yeah, sure, because like if you ever.

596
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Speaker 6: Like the guy who they based it off of, like

597
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 6: in the in the movie, they make him look like

598
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Speaker 6: he could barely talk.

599
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Speaker 2: They make him look like, yeah, he was just sure,

600
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Speaker 2: just like a bohemian idiot.

601
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Speaker 7: Yeah, they make him look like you couldn't talk or

602
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Speaker 7: read or write or anything.

603
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 6: This family like taught him, like they made it seem

604
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 6: like he grew up in like a hut on the

605
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Speaker 6: side of the streets and they and they like.

606
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Speaker 7: Taught him how to like use a use a fork

607
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 7: like the that.

608
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 5: Like, Michael, you got to button the shirt. You can't

609
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Speaker 5: just put it off.

610
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Speaker 7: And I just I feel like the verse of that,

611
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 7: just a black family adopting a stupid ass white kid,

612
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 7: would be so funny.

613
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Speaker 2: Yeah, everything, but I don't have any suntand lotions. That's

614
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Speaker 2: deep minute.

615
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 5: Seam right there, that's a lesson for both of us.

616
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Speaker 2: And I take him back to his mother, like what's

617
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Speaker 2: he all right?

618
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Speaker 5: I don't know the voice.

619
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Speaker 2: That's how they get.

620
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Speaker 5: So so okay, we we have Martin Lawrence, we.

621
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Speaker 7: Have Yep, we gotta we gotta go. Wayne's brothers.

622
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Speaker 5: Wow are they holding a single spots so they are.

623
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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, they're there there Se and Marlin or a

624
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Speaker 6: duo their package And then I'm the guy who did

625
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Speaker 6: you wanta man doesn't feel like the right, that's.

626
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Speaker 2: Not he's done it. In other movies he's done.

627
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

628
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it kind of breaks the theory because like he

629
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Speaker 6: didn't become like a big star.

630
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Speaker 7: He didn't become he didn't.

631
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Speaker 5: Know you know what I'm saying, Like he has some swing.

632
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Speaker 2: I mean I knew his name off the rip.

633
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Speaker 5: Yeah, true, but we didn't all know it.

634
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Speaker 6: I remember that once you said it. Once you said it,

635
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Speaker 6: I was like, ah, yeah that was.

636
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Speaker 2: His name, because it wasn't. He wasn't.

637
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Speaker 1: He wasn't in dragging that movie life, but he was

638
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Speaker 1: very feminine in life.

639
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 2: Yeah he was.

640
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Speaker 5: He was queer in life, and part of the reason

641
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Speaker 5: he wasn't in drag was and I think he does

642
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 5: actually dress up in.

643
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Speaker 2: Drag when they do the.

644
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, they they have that day where they get to

645
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 5: like invite guests and sort of have like a sexy

646
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Speaker 5: time and in the nightclub You're right, and they're dream

647
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 5: dreaming about uh the coke what was it the Coco

648
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Speaker 5: Coco room or that's right. Yeah, No, he he does

649
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Speaker 5: wear drag in life. I think multiple times, I.

650
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Speaker 6: Don't know, is there any big one? Is there any

651
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Speaker 6: big one I'm missing? I feel like those are the

652
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 6: big nineties.

653
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Speaker 5: I think Eddie Murphy feels like a glaring miss.

654
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

655
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Speaker 5: Listing Eddie Murphy as professor is almost exclus and norbit.

656
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Speaker 5: He He also does quite a bit of drag, and

657
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Speaker 5: I think he's sn l. He did a few characters where,

658
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Speaker 5: if I'm not mistaken, where he did drag. He's done

659
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Speaker 5: it a lot. He ain't he ain't missed no no

660
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Speaker 5: turns in it.

661
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Speaker 7: And he became and he was a giant, giant star.

662
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Speaker 2: So it's like, yeah, the biggest.

663
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Speaker 1: I'd say, the best to ever do it in a dress?

664
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Speaker 1: Yeah I put him on.

665
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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah does and then and we'll get into the

666
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Speaker 5: research in a second. But does fat suit negate the dress?

667
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Speaker 2: I don't think it does. Okay, I kind of think

668
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Speaker 2: it does well. But like when Tyler Perry dresses his media, Oh.

669
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Speaker 6: My god, what we how do we that?

670
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Speaker 5: Because the nigga ain't funny to me? But I think

671
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 5: that's why I didn't listen. It made me laugh once.

672
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 2: I go, I go soft on Tyler Perry. He's got

673
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 2: me a couple of times.

674
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 7: They used to They used to make us watch those

675
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 7: plays after church.

676
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 2: So like I basically like church again, yeah.

677
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 6: Exactly, So like I have I have fond memories as

678
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 6: a kid of watching the play specifically.

679
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 2: Thank you. I was trying to tell that if they weren't.

680
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 5: That bad, nah, like there there, you guys are mistaken.

681
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 5: And we just rewatched Diary of a Mad Black Woman

682
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 5: as for the podcast, and it was pretty neither one

683
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 5: of us enjoyed that experience.

684
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 6: So I feel like you would appreciate Tyler Perry just

685
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 6: because he's a He's a champion of a light skin man.

686
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:29,479
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying.

687
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 2: Listen, he put as.

688
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 6: The knights and shining armor in most of his films.

689
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 6: It's a wrong and then a beautiful light skin nigga.

690
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 6: Michael Eally might have been one of them. That could

691
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 6: be you, bro, you better look. Hey, hey, mister Perry,

692
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,240
Speaker 6: if you listening, les don't mean what he's saying.

693
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:51,720
Speaker 7: You don't mean what he's.

694
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:52,280
Speaker 2: Saying, Devin.

695
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 3: Let me be clear.

696
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:55,240
Speaker 2: Let me be clear.

697
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 5: The fact that Tyler Perry is listening facts in his

698
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 5: film sometimes does not does not change my issues with

699
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 5: the quality of the films he's making. Are I skin

700
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 5: people the heroes in the story?

701
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 2: Absolutely, we are.

702
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 5: Absolutely we are objectively that is trip, But does that

703
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 5: make Tyler Perry a good filmmaker?

704
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 2: It does not.

705
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 5: It just means that sometimes sometimes the man is right. Oh,

706
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 5: we're calling upon you because we have we have new merch.

707
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 5: We have very exciting merch that we are now selling

708
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Speaker 5: and it's it's fucking great.

709
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Speaker 2: We love it so much. Just sleek, it's sexy.

710
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 5: Come on, you want to tell them what we have?

711
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have three different types of hats, which is

712
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: really fun. We have a two tone an alien dad hat,

713
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 1: the traditional logo in black and khaki. Then we have

714
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: the enamel pen with the alien who has a koofie

715
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: on it since my mama told me. And then we

716
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: have t shirts that say proud little Mama, which is.

717
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Speaker 2: Who you are.

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00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, you can buy the merch now, go to my

719
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 5: mama told me dot merch table dot com. It's a

720
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 5: brand new name, but it's the same old merch and

721
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 5: we would love for you to get some if you

722
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 5: haven't got it already, and we want you to have

723
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 5: all the sweet stuff, so get it. I did a

724
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 5: little bit of research on your conspiracy that I'd love

725
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 5: to unpack with you. The most articulated, i would say,

726
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 5: most iconic breakdown of this conspiracy theory comes from that

727
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 5: two thousand and six interview that Dave Chappelle does on

728
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 5: Oprah where he explains his refusal to wear a dress

729
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 5: on set of Blue Streak that basically.

730
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 2: They didn't beat it.

731
00:38:55,640 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, weird, that's what And that's part of his argument

732
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 5: inside of this thing is that, like he showed up

733
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 5: one day on set, he'd been doing very well on

734
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 5: the film, having a good time, and then there's a

735
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 5: dress in his dressing room and he goes, hey, what's

736
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 5: this for? And they go, oh, Dave, we have this

737
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 5: really funny scene we just added. We think it'd be

738
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 5: hilarious if when Martin's breaking out of the jail, he

739
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 5: disguises or he hides behind you who is dressed as

740
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 5: a prostitute in using his words sex worker, and basically

741
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 5: says like this is the bit, so put on the dress.

742
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 5: We're gonna shoot that, and Dave goes, no, I'm not

743
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 5: comfortable with that, and then producers get called in, then

744
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 5: the director gets called in. Dave's being told he's difficult

745
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 5: and unwilling to play ball for a very funny scene,

746
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 5: and ultimately he refuses, and then they immediately change the

747
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 5: script back to a scene where he doesn't have to

748
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 5: wear a dress and it all is resolved in ten minutes.

749
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 5: And so his argument is like, if it only took

750
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 5: ten minutes, then y'all already knew a different option for this.

751
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 5: You just wanted to degrade me and lessen me as

752
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 5: a black man.

753
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 2: Do you think it's a black man thing or just

754
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,399
Speaker 2: like a not great sense of humor thing within that

755
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 2: specific because we've all been in a position to get

756
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 2: like network type notes where you're like, but this is stupid,

757
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:27,439
Speaker 2: you know what I'm.

758
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:31,800
Speaker 1: Saying, like like, like, I this.

759
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 2: Is a weird side to be on this. I guess

760
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 2: I'm on their side.

761
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, you've always been on the producer side and the

762
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 5: strike whoa.

763
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 3: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa.

764
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 2: Hey, don't do that, No.

765
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no no.

766
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:50,439
Speaker 2: And also you know how did.

767
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 3: All this travel begin a magica?

768
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Speaker 6: Uh?

769
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 2: Yeah no, but I do. I do think there's a

770
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 2: case for the idea that like they're just like not funny.

771
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 5: And that that is part of what Dave says in

772
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 5: the interview is that he goes like the guy goes,

773
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 5: this is a funny bit. So many great comedians have

774
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 5: done a bit like this, and he's like, well, if

775
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 5: they've done it, then attack and we can write something better.

776
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 5: They go, you difficult motherfucker. So it's hard to know,

777
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 5: and I do air closer to the side of being like,

778
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 5: this is probably just hacky and just sort of lazy

779
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 5: writing more than it is like intentionally trying to take

780
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 5: down Dave Chappelle. That's or take power from Dave Chappelle.

781
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 5: That said, I don't think, if I'm being honest, that

782
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 5: I go, Oh, they didn't. They would have done that

783
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 5: same thing to to whoever the white counterpart to Dave

784
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Speaker 5: Chappelle is on a film by surprising him with a

785
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 5: dress scene out of nowhere.

786
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,760
Speaker 7: Right, ever, put Michael Rappaport in the dress.

787
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 5: Yes, and and that'd be funny probably, but they're not

788
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 5: ever gonna try.

789
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 2: Yeah they got Chris Rock.

790
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, they got Chris Rock. And in fact, I'm glad

791
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 5: you brought that up because I made a list of

792
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 5: who I know so far based off of various versions

793
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 5: of Internet slewthing to have participated in wearing dresses. And

794
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 5: it's worth noting that some of this came from a

795
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 5: TikTok that I found that breaks down all of this

796
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 5: conspiracy theory, and that TikTok page is also includes videos

797
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:45,720
Speaker 5: called things like Transgenders Versus Real Women and my personal favorite,

798
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 5: Black China sold his Soul to the Devil. So I

799
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 5: think it's a pretty progressive bunch. That's that's managing this

800
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 5: this account. But the list is pretty it's fucking crazy.

801
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:12,720
Speaker 5: There's Richard Pryor, Flip Wilson, Wesley Snipes, Ving Raims, Chris Tucker,

802
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:17,919
Speaker 5: Eddie Murphy, Martin Lawrence, miguel A Nunez, Tyler Perry, Arsenio Hall,

803
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 5: all of the Wayans Brothers, Kevin Thompson, Kel Mitchell, Nick,

804
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 5: Nick Cannon, Jamie Fox, Brandon t. Jackson, Terry Crews, Kid Cutting,

805
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 5: Young Thug, a slew of other musicians. The list sort

806
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 5: of goes on from there, but but it is it

807
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:37,240
Speaker 5: is an impressive list.

808
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 2: Patricia O'Neill, Yeah, one.

809
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 7: God, you know that would have you know, that would

810
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 7: have been funny.

811
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: Goddamn, he would be hilarious address objectively, they'd be so funny.

812
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 6: And a Halloween episode of the Office from two thousand

813
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 6: and seven where the guys from the warehouse addresses that's

814
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 6: it's right, it's right, it's right there, it's it's already

815
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 6: so funny.

816
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 5: Goddamn, but.

817
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 6: You would have rocked the ship out of that, would

818
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 6: have that that might have got him the Emmy for real.

819
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 5: They would have made him, They would have made him

820
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 5: serious regular if you put.

821
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 6: But I look also look that list. You can't all

822
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 6: those All black men wearing a dress are not created equal,

823
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying, Like kind of like you

824
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 6: was like Chris Rock wearing a dress on the Fresh Prints.

825
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 6: It's very different than young thug or like Kid Cutty

826
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 6: wearing a dress. I will say, I'm a big I'm

827
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 6: a big Kid Cutty fan. Did y'all see what do

828
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 6: you wear?

829
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 7: The dress?

830
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 2: Yeah?

831
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 5: He looked like ship to me.

832
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was like it was weird, Like it was

833
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 6: like I disagree with it on a like you you're

834
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 6: somehow making this thing not cool, Like I get you're,

835
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 6: like you think it's so cool that you're doing it

836
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 6: that it kind of makes me not like it.

837
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 7: That's the one that's the one that I minded the most.

838
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 5: Weirdly, it bugged me. It was it it felt way

839
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 5: too much. Yeah, he he wanted to wear a dress

840
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 5: to to prove a point whatever, but he just didn't

841
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 5: look good.

842
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 2: No, I don't know. I don't think he chose to

843
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 2: write dress for his body.

844
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 5: No, he looked bad and it was like that weird

845
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 5: homage to Kurt Cobain, and like all of it was

846
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 5: just like you're you're doing too much ship at once. Bro,

847
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 5: Just just sing your little, your little sad songs.

848
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 2: I don't need none of this.

849
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's that's that's the biggest problem I've actually had

850
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:39,280
Speaker 7: with a man in a dress is kick cutting.

851
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't think musicians should even be

852
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: in this conversation.

853
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 7: Exactly, because I think it's just what about? What about?

854
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 7: What about?

855
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 6: Like like Russell Westbrook, Do you think he's Do you

856
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:53,280
Speaker 6: think he's involved in this conversation?

857
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 2: Do you think that you think? But he is hilarious,

858
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 2: He's very funny.

859
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 5: I will say that he is who the barbershop points

860
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 5: to now in a contemporary sense of this same conspiracy theory, though,

861
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 5: right that like, well at least for years now less

862
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 5: so now he's sort of aged out of like the

863
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:17,919
Speaker 5: shock and awe fashion and it is a little more

864
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 5: like grounded in his fashion. But when he was in

865
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 5: the height of his shock and awe fashion, they definitely

866
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 5: were like that nigga's being brainwashed by the powers that

867
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 5: be whatever, whatever.

868
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 6: It's all it's Russell Westbrook and it's little na sex.

869
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 6: Old niggas a really hard time with lown sex. They

870
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 6: really can't handle him being.

871
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, you think it's because it's never been as blatant,

872
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 2: is that like in the.

873
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: In the you know what I mean, Like like like

874
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: the Rodeo video is like that's like that's like aggressive.

875
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: I don't think that has been a ton of stuff

876
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 1: in like main culture that people have seen like that

877
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: from a black man.

878
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 5: A black man demonstrating like queer.

879
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, like they've been there, but it's never you don't

880
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: you don't see it to that level.

881
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,919
Speaker 2: I don't think, right, Yeah, that's true.

882
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 7: He's the first like really big pop star that is

883
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 7: like a gay black.

884
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 1: Man, right yeah, right right, And it's like expressed, you know,

885
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: you know, like I feel like it would be like

886
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: things you hear people say, but never like like the

887
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 1: imagery like in the video and stuff like that.

888
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:23,879
Speaker 2: Yeah.

889
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 5: No, Tevin cam Bro Kevin last year, Kevin Kemble just.

890
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 7: Came out like in like twenty twenty one.

891
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,959
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's had to work through a lot of ship

892
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 5: before he got comfortable being like I think I like men,

893
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 5: and we knew it.

894
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 2: Come on, Tevin, you were tricking anybody now.

895
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 5: But when when we found out for real, Like not

896
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 5: when he announced it, but when we found out, the

897
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 5: industry turned on him hard in a way that I

898
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 5: don't think he ever fully recovered from.

899
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Speaker 2: Damn, I didn't. I didn't know that.

900
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I would say that that at least

901
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 5: my understanding, And some of this is coming from my mother,

902
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 5: who who fully unbiased source, But I think my understanding

903
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 5: was that Tevin Campbell sort of like when he was

904
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,760
Speaker 5: a cute kid and even as like a cool sexy

905
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 5: adult was singing about women, we loved him. And then

906
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 5: it became sort of a parent that he was queer,

907
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 5: and the industry stopped fucking with him the same way

908
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 5: that they used to like with them.

909
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 2: They like, yeah, exactly.

910
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,760
Speaker 6: It's it's funny because like, by that theory, the industry

911
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 6: kind of wants you to They want you to like

912
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,720
Speaker 6: seem gay on camera, but not be gay in real life.

913
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 2: Mm hmm about it.

914
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: That's where this song comes from, right, is It's like,

915
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: I feel like the men who were in dresses, I

916
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 1: don't feel like what you hear is that they're gay.

917
00:48:55,560 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 2: What they're what you're well, they're making them look gay, right, Yeah,

918
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 2: But I don't think people thought Eddie Murphy was gay.

919
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 5: Well, I think, and there was.

920
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 2: There's other parts of that, there's other parts of that.

921
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 5: But I I hear you, Martin Lawrence was never being

922
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 5: called gay. Martin Lawrence was said to have been a

923
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 5: masculated for.

924
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 2: Brainwashed.

925
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:29,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's a tough it's tough because yeah,

926
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 5: I I don't know. Some of this does feel like

927
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 5: it's obviously propaganda, it's obviously manipulative. But I do think

928
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 5: some of the things that end up being greenlit or

929
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 5: celebrated or treated with a reverence to your point, Devin

930
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 5: of like, Yo, the next time I'm in a car,

931
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 5: I worry that my most famous thing is going to

932
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 5: be this one off bit that I did. Is a

933
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 5: real fear and and frankly is is one that that

934
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,399
Speaker 5: you can't just ignore or simply because you feel progressive

935
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 5: as it relates to queer rights and visibility and all

936
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:06,879
Speaker 5: of that shit.

937
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 2: I mean, I think, yeah, add percent, that's why we

938
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 2: all were all pretty progressive. Nobody was like hell yeah,

939
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 2: put address on me like, it's like you gotta yeah,

940
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:17,879
Speaker 2: you do have to worry about that.

941
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 5: I read an NPR article about the same issue, and

942
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 5: this was I think more of like a I guess,

943
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,720
Speaker 5: like an opinion piece, I dare say, But the author

944
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 5: sort of references the black men in the Dress to

945
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 5: a Carter G. Woodson book, The Miseducation of the Negro,

946
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 5: and in the book, Woodson argues that when someone is

947
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 5: repeatedly sent to the back door so often that they

948
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,919
Speaker 5: eventually don't even know need to be told to go

949
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 5: to the front door or to the back door, that

950
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 5: they will just naturally go to the back door because

951
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 5: that is the place that they've been assigned. And he

952
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 5: goes on to say that they are become so conditioned

953
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 5: side of this that when it comes to literally the

954
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 5: back door, if you showed up to that same back

955
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,919
Speaker 5: door and the back door did not exist, you would

956
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 5: try to cut a hole into the space where the

957
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 5: back door did exist, rather than walking through the front.

958
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 5: And he basically suggests that this is the type of

959
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 5: brainwashing that comes from the types of people who choose

960
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 5: the dress for themselves in comedy, that like an Eddie

961
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,879
Speaker 5: Murphy who made a movie where he wanted to wear.

962
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 5: The dress is sort of conditioned as a sort of

963
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 5: like sub inside of the white hierarchy, if that makes sense.

964
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:45,399
Speaker 1: I don't I understand the point that that's being made.

965
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: I don't think I necessarily agree with that, because I

966
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 1: think a lot of it. I think a lot of

967
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:54,399
Speaker 1: this also boils down to how humor works and how

968
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 1: people work with the humor that like vulnerability or being

969
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: the other, whatever is humorous. That's like the state of comedy.

970
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 1: Like I think there's a reason that it's not like

971
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 1: just a black Like I said before, a lot a

972
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:11,399
Speaker 1: lot of people, a lot of humor is based as

973
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 1: men dressing up like women and vice versa.

974
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 2: British people love that shit. They love that shiit, love it.

975
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:21,280
Speaker 2: They just think it silly look a bloke in a jumper.

976
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 2: I don't know how dunk. But the point is, like,

977
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 2: I'll give a shit about you guys.

978
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: But the but the point to me is that like

979
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,919
Speaker 1: I understand what they're saying, but that we do need

980
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 1: to allow some space for the idea of this. Sh

981
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 1: It's just funny, man, you know, It's like it is

982
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,919
Speaker 1: funny and it's funny to be vulnerable and I think

983
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 1: that that's where a lot of that comes from. Like

984
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 1: if this is if it was just black men, I

985
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 1: would have a bigger issue. But it's like it's like

986
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: a tenet of humor, dressing up like something you're not

987
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 1: always it's funny.

988
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:02,839
Speaker 5: And it also if if we could untoether this from

989
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 5: all of the homophobia and all of these sort of

990
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 5: like mal intentioned perspectives that are connected to this that

991
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 5: have nothing to do with you know what I mean,

992
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,399
Speaker 5: Like like at the root of it, address is not

993
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:22,879
Speaker 5: necessarily emasculation. Address is address, and you can be masculine

994
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 5: inside of address. But our own homophobia, in years of conditioning,

995
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 5: make us see it as a version of emasculation. And

996
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 5: that's what makes us complicated. It's not it's not the

997
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 5: dress itself that makes us weaker. It is our own

998
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 5: sense of self that makes us weaker. And address just

999
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 5: is our articulation of that.

1000
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I agree with that.

1001
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 7: Whoa, whoa, whoa.

1002
00:53:53,800 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 2: That's why I'm on the But does that you know

1003
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 2: what I mean?

1004
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,720
Speaker 5: Would you say that you're not at all?

1005
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 2: No, Look, I'm a dog. He's as black as can be,

1006
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? We all have the things

1007
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 2: that we're good at on this podcast.

1008
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 5: We all contribute here, and my mama told me so

1009
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 5: it sounds like we've all sort of landed this plane.

1010
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:28,720
Speaker 5: We don't think that it's necessarily a legit conspiracy theory.

1011
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 2: We're not.

1012
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 5: We're not firm believers that this is some deep Hollywood

1013
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 5: agenda to like transform the black man into an emasculated

1014
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 5: version of himself. That said, we ain't rushing to be

1015
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 5: at the front of the line when it comes to

1016
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 5: participating in the bit.

1017
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 2: And to be fair, I think there's also space for

1018
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 2: there to be times that it is that, you know,

1019
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 2: I mean, I think there is fully possible.

1020
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 5: I think both the both the weaponizing and the humor

1021
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 5: of it being funny and also date dress.

1022
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 6: On the other side, I think that when we're allowed

1023
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 6: to write again, the three of us should all work

1024
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 6: on a remake, a reboot of BAPS.

1025
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 7: I think we should.

1026
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,919
Speaker 6: I think that I think it should start all three

1027
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 6: of us, and we should bring it to Universal Pictures.

1028
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 7: Let's let's get that off the ground. We're allowed to, so.

1029
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 2: That also that white Baby thing, come on me, Kiky Palmer,

1030
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 2: White Baby one of those Disney Channel freaks.

1031
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 5: Like Okay, see you changed the story a little bit

1032
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 5: because it was you with a white family, but now

1033
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 5: it's you and.

1034
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 2: Palmer raised a white baby. Yeah, still pretty good. I

1035
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:43,879
Speaker 2: think I could go either way. This is good.

1036
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 5: This is writers you were pitching.

1037
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 7: And Timothy Shallow may just as Yeah.

1038
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 2: And then and then my caps is the grandpa also.

1039
00:55:58,120 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 7: Right there.

1040
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 5: Come on, you're just teaching, teaching. Timothy Shallow made to

1041
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 5: use a washcloth and he.

1042
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:09,720
Speaker 2: Can't out smoking black and miles that make him smoke

1043
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 2: the whole pack.

1044
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 5: He gets real sick smoking a pack of cigarettes.

1045
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 7: He's smoking wood wood tip blacks.

1046
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1047
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 5: By then he looks like et when he was a

1048
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 5: rage from home for too long. It's like, bro, we

1049
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 5: gotta get him out of here. This ain't this ain't

1050
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 5: a good house for him.

1051
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're gonna call CPS. This is childhood, Devin.

1052
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 5: This was this is great. I think we did it

1053
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 5: because you tell the people where they can find you

1054
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 5: and and what cool ship you have going on.

1055
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 7: I'm on tour right now, so just find me.

1056
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 6: Find me online from my Instagram or Twitter or whatever

1057
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 6: you can find on my tour info. I don't know

1058
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 6: when this is gonna be out, but I'm touring for

1059
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:56,439
Speaker 6: like the next month, so come see a show.

1060
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,359
Speaker 5: Hell yeah, and poor you want to tell the people

1061
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:00,919
Speaker 5: where they can find uh.

1062
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm well. First of all, you can catch us

1063
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 1: on tour, because this comes out next week. You can

1064
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 1: catch us. We still got two more weeks on tour.

1065
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 1: You can come out and catch us. That'll be in Texas,

1066
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 1: Houston and Austin, and then the weekend after that New

1067
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: York and Pittsburgh and Chicago, in Chicago and Chicago, and

1068
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 1: then I go on my own tour bring David aplate

1069
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 1: dot com. Just added a few dates Columbus, Cincinnati, some

1070
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 1: other stuff, and that's my solo tour.

1071
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 2: Cool guy jokes eighty seven on Instagram.

1072
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 5: Hell yeah, And as always, you can follow me at

1073
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:36,479
Speaker 5: Langston Herman and come to that goddamn my mama told

1074
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 5: me live tour. We are very excited to see you

1075
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 5: in person. And more importantly, if you want to send

1076
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 5: us drops, if you want to send us your own conspiracies,

1077
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:48,919
Speaker 5: if you want to send us pictures of white men

1078
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 5: in dresses who have benefited from from Hollywood's agenda, then

1079
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 5: send it all to my mama pod at gmail dot com.

1080
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 5: We would love to hear from you. That's about it.

1081
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 5: By bit when they referred to.

1082
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 4: The government bronames, my grown chips and your names, all

1083
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 4: Kuala bears are racist. The host of layer of host

1084
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 4: and money, five ships and many Turkey stuff.

1085
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 2: I can't tell me noth