1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio News. Good morning, I'm Maybe 2 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: Morris and I'm Karen Moscow. Here are the stories we're 3 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:16,760 Speaker 1: following today. Karen, we begin with the markets. As twenty 4 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: twenty four draws to a close. Futures are lower as 5 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: we close out the week. This comes a day after 6 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: stocks were a little changed on Wall Street. 7 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 2: Still, for the year, the S and B five hundred 8 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 2: is up more than twenty six percent and NASDAC is 9 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 2: higher by more than thirty three percent. David Katz is 10 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 2: President and chief investment Officer at Matrix Asset Advisors. 11 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 3: We think that over the near term is more exuberance 12 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 3: to come. The market is really charged. On the day 13 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 3: that it's happy, it's up a few hundred points. On 14 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 3: the day that it gets spooks, that's down a few 15 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 3: hundred points. So we would not look at the short 16 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 3: term trend as continuing. We do think things are going 17 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 3: to change a little bit when you enter twenty twenty five. 18 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 3: There are big gains this year, so a lot of 19 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 3: people can sell stocks right now because they'd be paying 20 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 3: a lot of taxes. That changes January. Second, you have 21 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:04,680 Speaker 3: a new administration take office late in January. They expect 22 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 3: to put a number of the policies that they've talked 23 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 3: about in place. We think the market could get spooked 24 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:14,479 Speaker 3: by that, so we would not follow the significant rally 25 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 3: of the last few months and expect that to continue. 26 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 2: Matrix Asset Advisors CIO David Katz says while he expects 27 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 2: some market exuberance, now is not the time to increase 28 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 2: risk because he expects slower growth in the coming year well. 29 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: Amy A big focus for investors in twenty twenty five 30 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: will be Fed monetary policy. At his last policy meeting 31 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: of the year, j Powell signaled fewer rate cuts in 32 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. Drew Mattis, chief market strategistic MetLife Investment 33 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: Management says, if that is in a tricky position. 34 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 4: You never want to be too close to the edge 35 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 4: if you're the Federal Reserve. And I don't understand this 36 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 4: fixation on kind of ratifying market expectations, which quite frankly 37 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 4: are absurd at times, right, I mean, markets get ahead 38 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 4: of themselves, and then, particularly with regard to the Fed, 39 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 4: the last thing you want to do is ratify an 40 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 4: expectation for something now that's going to create an even 41 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 4: worse expectation later. And that's the game of the Fed 42 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 4: is playing right now, and it's one that could end badly, 43 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 4: particularly if inflation reaccelerates for a period of time. 44 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: Matt lives Drew mattis as the Fed may be forced 45 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 1: to actually raise rates next year. 46 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 2: Investors are also looking ahead to some economic data coming 47 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 2: out later this morning. We get those details from Bloomberg's 48 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 2: Denise Pellegrini. 49 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 5: Economists say advance retail inventories for November likely rose three 50 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 5: tenths of a percent, following just a one tenth percent 51 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 5: gain in October. One thing to watch for is whether 52 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 5: motor vehicles drove the inventory build again as more cars 53 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 5: sit on dealer lots. We'll also get government numbers on 54 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 5: wholesale inventories. Economists expect to build along the manufacturing line 55 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 5: east slightly to just one tenth of a percent month 56 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 5: on month. That could suggest as slight economic pickup, but 57 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 5: the numbers could also be skewed by buying or hoarding 58 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 5: ahead of possible new Trump tariffs. Denise Pelgriedy Bloomberg Radio. 59 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: All right, Denise, thank you. In Asia, Nissan motor shares 60 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: decline the motions August due to investor concern over the 61 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: terms of its plan deal with Honda Motor. At one point, 62 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: the stock tumbled as much as fifteen percent before pairing. 63 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: It's lost to nearly eight percent. The yelling Japanese automaker 64 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: aims to establish and list a joint holding company with 65 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,239 Speaker 1: Honda by August twenty twenty six. The exact terms of 66 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: the arrangement are yet to be decided. 67 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 2: And now the latest on that Azerbaijan plane crash. Media 68 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 2: reports say it was hit by the Russia Air Defense. 69 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 2: Thirty eight people were killed. The plane was en route 70 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 2: from Azerbaijan to Russia's city of Grosny when it changed 71 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 2: course on Christmas Day. Neither Russia nor Azerbaijan offered any 72 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 2: suggestions of what might have happened to cause the crash. 73 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 2: We get more from Bloomberg senior reporter Henry Mayer. 74 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 6: I want to suggesting that it was deliberately attacked in 75 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 6: the area where this happened, which is in the vicinity 76 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 6: of Brosny, the capital of the Southern Russian region of Chechnya. 77 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 6: As the plane was approaching that is where that is 78 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 6: when the incident happened, And at that time there was 79 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 6: a lot of Ukrainian drone activity in the area, So 80 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 6: it looks very much like this was a mistake. But 81 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 6: of course azerbai Jan now wants some kind of an 82 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 6: explanation from Russia. And also, you know, once the plane 83 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 6: came under fire, it was not allowed to land at 84 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 6: a nearby Russian airport, which could have actually saved lives. 85 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 2: Bloomberg Seenior reporter Henry Mayer says twenty nine people survived. 86 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 1: The turmoil in South Korean politics continues amy the country's 87 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: parliament has voted to impeach acting President Han Dak su. 88 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: It's the latest blow to a government already reeling after 89 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: President Yunsuk Yule's suspension less than two weeks ago for 90 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: his martial law degree. The impeachment was sparked by Hans's 91 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: refusal to appoint three judges Constitutional Court, which could finalize 92 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: President Yunsuk Yule's removal from power. 93 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 2: President elect Donald Trump's thread of tariffs has set off 94 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 2: a global supply chain freakout. The uncertainty and potential costs 95 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 2: of those tariffs are causing widespread concerns, with many businesses 96 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 2: expecting to pass on increased cost to customers and bracing 97 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 2: for higher expenses and potential disruptions. Businesses worldwide are rushing 98 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 2: to prepare for potential tariffs and trade wars, leading to 99 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 2: a surge in imports and supply chain disruptions. Companies are 100 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 2: talking are taking rather preemptive measures, such as front loading orders, 101 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 2: seeking new suppliers, and renegotiating terms. 102 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 1: Malami. The business world to mourning the death of Richard 103 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: Parsons this morning. The executive was dubbed Captain Emergency for 104 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: his record of stabilizing ailing companies begin more with Bloomberg's 105 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: Charlie Pellett. 106 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 7: Those companies included Aol, Time, Warner City Group, and Dime 107 00:05:56,320 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 7: Savings Bank of New York. Parsons was seventy six at 108 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 7: his home in Manhattan. The New York Times said the 109 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 7: cause of death was bone cancer. Parsons was named chairman 110 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 7: of CBS in September of twenty eighteen. He resigned less 111 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 7: than one month later, citing complications from multiple myeloma, a 112 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 7: blood cancer. Parsons was also chairman of the Rockefeller Foundation 113 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 7: in New York. Charlie Pellett Bloomberg Radio and. 114 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: It's time now for a look at some of their 115 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: stories making news in New York and around the world, 116 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: and for that were joined by Bloomberg's Michael Barr Michael 117 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: Good Morning, Good Morning Care. 118 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 8: In New York City, Mayor Eric Adams as suggesting federal 119 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 8: prosecutors take the case of accused subway arsonist Sebastian Sapata 120 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 8: please say the suspect killed a woman by setting her 121 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 8: on fire on the subway last week. The move indicates 122 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 8: the mayor's increasing willingness to work with federal law officials 123 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 8: to remove migrants charged with crimes from the city. The 124 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 8: woman's identity remains unknown, However, a vigil was held yesterday 125 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 8: at the subway station in Coney Island. Reverend Kevin McCall 126 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 8: with Crisis Action Network criticized onlookers for not helping the woman. 127 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 9: The slogan in. 128 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 4: This city is if you see something, say something. 129 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 5: But no one said nothing. 130 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 9: No one did nothing. 131 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 10: They just watched this young lady burn on fire. 132 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 8: Alive, Reverend Kevin McCall with Crisis Action Network. A month 133 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 8: after a stowaway on a Delta Airlines flying from New 134 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 8: York to Paris, we're learning another attempt has been foiled 135 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 8: in Seattle this week after a passenger got on board 136 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 8: a flight to Honolulu without a ticket. Official say the 137 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 8: stowaway got off the plane and was eventually tracked down 138 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 8: insign an airport bathroom. The TSA confirms the passenger we 139 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 8: screen at a security checkpoint, but was somehow able to 140 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 8: bypass the identity verification process and make it onto the 141 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 8: plane without a boarding pass. Aviation analyst John Nance. 142 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 10: This has gotta stop because there is a very definite 143 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 10: security risk and having people get aboard without a ticket. 144 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 8: Aviation analyst John Nance spoke to ABC. Parts of Texas, Louisiana, 145 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 8: and Arkansas are under severe weather watches as the National 146 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 8: Weather Service predicts a storm system in the Gulf of 147 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 8: Mexico could bring high winds, hail, and possible tornadoes to 148 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 8: the region. More than one hundred flights were delayed and 149 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 8: dozens more were canceled Thursday at airports in Dallas and Houston. 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I'm Michael barr 159 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 8: This is Bloomberg Karen. 160 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: I'm sure I can find an old toaster to sell them. 161 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: And Michael Barrack, thank you well, Thanks Michael barr Time 162 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: now for the Bloomberg Sports Update. It's brought to you 163 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: by Tri State. Audie. We bring in Dan Schwartzman for that. 164 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 9: Dan, good morning, Good morning Karen. The Seahawks, keeping their 165 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:26,199 Speaker 9: playoff hopes alive with a big win in Chicago, throws 166 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 9: it up in the. 167 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 10: Air and it is intercepted. 168 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 7: Bye week, willmen. 169 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 9: That's Chrissy of Amazon Prime with that interception, the Seahawks 170 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 9: finishing off a six to three win over the Bears 171 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 9: to improve to nine and seven, Seattle getting two field 172 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 9: goals from Jason Myers. Seahawks will be rooting for the 173 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 9: Cardinals to beat the Rams on Saturday before the head 174 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 9: ted matchup with LA in a Week eighteen game, and that, 175 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 9: of course, will determined if they make the playoffs or not. 176 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 9: Cowboys shutdown wide receiver CD Lamb for the final two games. 177 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 9: The All Pro dealing with a sprain d ac joint in 178 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 9: his shoulder. NBA action last night, and that's in the 179 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 9: fourth quarter to knockoff the Bucks in Milwaukee one thirteen 180 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 9: to one oh five. Bucks are playing with out stars 181 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:09,079 Speaker 9: Gianna Santa Ta Koompa or Damian Lillard Elsewhere, Wizards knocking 182 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,199 Speaker 9: off the Hornets at home one thirteen to one ten, 183 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 9: while the Heat slip past the Magic eighty nine to 184 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 9: eighty eight. Dallas Mavericks announcing some bad news on guard 185 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 9: Luka Doncic, as the team says the All Star will 186 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 9: be reevaluated in a month after sustaining a left caffs 187 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 9: train in the Christmas Day loss to the Minnesota Timberwolves. 188 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 9: Both the NFL and the NBA did well ratings wise 189 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 9: on Christmas Cornthin Nielsen and the NFL sixty five million 190 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 9: viewers in the US tuned in to watch at least 191 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 9: a minute of one of the two games. The Ravens 192 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,439 Speaker 9: Texans game averaged twenty four point three million viewers, while 193 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 9: the Chiefs Steelers averaged twenty four point one million, the 194 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 9: two games becoming the two most stream games in league history. 195 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 9: The NBA also doing well with its five game schedule, 196 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 9: averaging five and a quarter million viewers per game, its 197 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 9: best holiday numbers in five years. NHL resuming its regular 198 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 9: season after the holiday break, with the Devil's hosting the 199 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 9: Hurricanes while the Bruins are on the h at the 200 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 9: Blue Jackets. That's your Bloomberg Sports Update. I'm Dan Schwartzman, 201 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 9: Karen and Amy. 202 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 10: Coast to Coast on Bloomberg Radio nationwide on Sirius XM, 203 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 10: and around the world on Bloomberg dot Com and the 204 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 10: Bloomberg Business app. This is Bloomberg Daybreak. 205 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 2: And we are watching the markets as we are just 206 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 2: days away from twenty twenty five. I want to know 207 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 2: what to expect. Jeffrey, you of b and why remains 208 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 2: cautious and he joins us now, Jeffrey, always a pleasure. 209 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us. You are cautious, but are you bearish? 210 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 11: Not bearish? I'm just cautious and the only reason for 211 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 11: caution is positioning. We've been specifying this for quite some 212 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 11: time now. If I look at the dollar, if I 213 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 11: look at domestic buying of US treasuries, if I look 214 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 11: at equity positioning, the fact is people are really loaded 215 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 11: up on US exceptionalism, not saying that shouldn't be the 216 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 11: case right now, wait and see approach, But do you 217 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,839 Speaker 11: really want to be adding to already extended position heading 218 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 11: into year end and early phases of next year with 219 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 11: new policies coming through. I think that's where the need 220 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,319 Speaker 11: for caution is rather than being bearish from the economy 221 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 11: or anything. 222 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:11,439 Speaker 2: Right those new policies are coming in with a new 223 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 2: administration that's coming in. There may be some uncertainty around that. 224 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 2: So how do you work around that? 225 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 11: Well, really depends on what we're looking for. Firstly, on 226 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 11: the tariff side of things, I think that's pretty much 227 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 11: in the price a lot of them economies they are 228 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 11: dealing with it. You know, your own reporting specified in 229 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 11: advance of that as well, and could there be deals 230 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 11: to be done, you know, will things be better than expected? 231 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 11: I think that's much more manageable because we did get 232 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 11: a dose of that a couple of years ago during 233 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 11: the first and Trump administration. Secondlier, which is probably more 234 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 11: problematic in terms of positioning again, is the US's fiscal position. 235 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 11: That's where we need to look at a longer term plan. 236 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 11: There's need for government efficiency, of course, but at the 237 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 11: same time something along the lines of debt sustainability. If 238 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 11: markets were concerned about France over the last few months 239 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 11: or so and its budget and its budget trajectory, the 240 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 11: OECD notes that's probably the only large economy with a 241 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 11: worst budget track, and France is actually in the US. 242 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 11: And given the level of positioning globally in the trophy 243 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 11: market right now, and probably the lack of buyers up 244 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 11: ahead because global surpluses are coming down, especially amongst the 245 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 11: Ears Asian savers, that's where in terms of policies, we 246 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 11: really need a closer look now. 247 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 2: While there is some uncertainty, as you mentioned, President elect 248 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 2: Trump has been there before and he's sort of foreshadowed 249 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 2: what he wants to do. He's already said he wants 250 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 2: tariffs in place, not small ones either, So how would 251 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 2: you bake that into your positioning. 252 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 11: I think we need to look at the individual markets. 253 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 11: If I look at say like China, for example, markets 254 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 11: are very very light in terms of their positioning, not 255 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 11: just in China but Apac in general. If I look 256 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 11: at Canada, if I look at Mexico, there's been quite 257 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 11: a bit of hedging coming through as well. If I 258 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 11: look at the Euro Euro hedging by our international clients, 259 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 11: many of which are based in the US. That's at 260 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 11: the highest levels, so highest levels of hedges against the 261 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 11: euro since two thousand and two. And back then euro 262 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 11: dollar was at eighty I repeat, at zero point eight 263 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 11: or so. That's when the ECB was trying to prop 264 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 11: up the euro. But then Europe reformed by itself. We 265 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 11: had the heart sphere reforms under Schwerder and guess what 266 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 11: in a few years euro dollar one sixty. Okay, So 267 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 11: I actually see this less about the US, but more 268 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 11: as an opportunity for Europe due to external pressures, an 269 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 11: opportunity for them to change again, just as was the 270 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 11: case twenty years ago. And if there's more of a 271 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 11: domestic component rather than exports, then tariff's big deal. Europe 272 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 11: can manage by itself and certainly has the funds to 273 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 11: do so. 274 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 2: Well. Well, we have about a minute here. What are 275 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 2: you looking for from the Central Bank? 276 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 11: Well, from the Central Bank ECB more cuts to come. 277 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 11: I think there will be a chance of fifty basis 278 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 11: points on one of the coming meetings. Also, I think 279 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 11: if I look at the Bank of England, for example, 280 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 11: markets are way too I would say less than they're 281 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 11: less dubbish or even hawkish. I think Governor Bailey's one 282 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 11: cut per quarter view from a few weeks ago still 283 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 11: stands now From the Fed, however, the lost coat and 284 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 11: maybe the last one for a while. Market pricing right 285 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 11: now very cautious easing. I think that that's something that 286 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 11: we can live with for the time being. 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