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That's Bank Greenwood dot com slash eyl. 54 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 3: Don't wait, don't hesitate, head over there now. 55 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 5: My graduates from my school being forced bad drop Banks drop, 56 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 5: Mike drop Bad Drop Drop. 57 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 4: All right, guys, welcome back e y l l A edition. 58 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 4: We're on the legendary run here. It's probably our best 59 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 4: content that we've ever shot, and we've done a bunch 60 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 4: of sports episodes. Shout out to be Diddy, our boy 61 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 4: parent David. Shout out to John. 62 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 2: Sally the first time we had shout at him. 63 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:29,239 Speaker 4: Harrington. That's that's the brop but common denominated. There's a 64 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 4: lot of testosterone in these these interviews there's a lot 65 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 4: of testosterone in these interviews that we're doing, so it's 66 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 4: only right that we we balance things out or try 67 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 4: to balance things out. But this is actually the first 68 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 4: episode that we have ever done with a sports commentatory, 69 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 4: so you're breaking ground for us. Joey Taylor one of 70 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 4: our favorites ever since she was with the other network. 71 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 4: I don't know if there's beef with that situation, but 72 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 4: he's what ESPN, no other show, the show on the show? 73 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 6: Oh no, no no. 74 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 4: I get that a lot though, because it feels like 75 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 4: it was on. 76 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 6: Because like trolls will be like, that's why you got 77 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 6: fired for people. Get I used to work for the 78 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 6: ESPN affiliate when I did my show in Miami, so 79 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 6: that's where the confusion may lie. But you're not really 80 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 6: working for ESPN when you're an affiliate stations. But no, 81 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 6: there's no beef with Undisputed. 82 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 4: Okay, okay, shout out to undershoot it. 83 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like, wait, what happened? Wait? I gotta wait 84 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 2: another hour. I got like two hours. 85 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 4: Okay, But now she's on the Herd and co hosts 86 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 4: Yes the fact, and we watched these shows a lot. 87 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 4: I used to watch it a lot more, but when 88 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 4: I had more free time. But I was always in 89 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 4: the sports debate shows, in sports shows. So it's an 90 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 4: interesting dynamic because these are conversations that we have all 91 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 4: the time. 92 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 2: They get pretty heated. 93 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, well, yeah, that's what sports I mean, that's fan 94 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 6: is short for fanatic. So we don't like to think 95 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 6: of ourselves that way, but that's that's what sports conversations are. 96 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 6: There's a lot of opinion. 97 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 4: You know what we didn't have who I'm moderator, Yeah, 98 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 4: we did EYL Sports coming soon. So I'm excited to 99 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 4: have this conversation because I feel like all of the 100 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 4: sports conversations that we've had on the show have been 101 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 4: with athletes, but we've never had anybody from it that's 102 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 4: in the sports world that's not an athlete. And I'm 103 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 4: interested to get your perspective. I'm interested in to hit 104 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:28,799 Speaker 4: the business out of it, your journey, the whole nine yard. 105 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 4: So first and Foremoal, thank you for joining us, appreciate it. 106 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 6: Now, thank you for having me. I'm sorry I pooled 107 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:38,359 Speaker 6: the LA thing late, made it happen, so edit that 108 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 6: part of. 109 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 4: It's so good. It's so good, all right, So let's 110 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 4: jump into it. So how did you get started into this? 111 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 4: Because you know, I was thinking about it. It's actually 112 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 4: probably you know how they say, like it's like one 113 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 4: in a million chances to be in the NBA. But 114 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 4: there's like three hundred and some of my players in 115 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 4: the NBA. But there's only probably like twenty people that 116 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 4: actually commentate on sports on major networks. So it's probably 117 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 4: even rarer to even do what you do if you 118 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 4: look at it from that standpoint, there's not a lot 119 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 4: of people that do that, especially if they're not athletes. 120 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 4: So how did you get into this? 121 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 2: Well? 122 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 6: I played sports growing up. I grew up in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. 123 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 6: If you know anything about Pittsburgh or that part of 124 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 6: the country, I mean, the sports is like a way 125 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 6: of life, like they wrapped the babies in terrible towels 126 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 6: when they're born, like it's not adoption. And I actually 127 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 6: grew up around a lot of women who were very 128 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 6: passionate about sports. My grandmother and my aunts, my mom 129 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 6: were just like hardcore sports fans, like they would really 130 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 6: be mad if the Steelers lost, and whatever was going 131 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 6: on during the day, like once the game comes on, 132 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 6: cut whatever we're doing we're watching the game. So I 133 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 6: played sports growing up. I played basketball, volleyball, soccer, and 134 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 6: ran and ran track in college and then obviously my 135 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 6: brother I played from you know, as long as I 136 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 6: can remember. So I've always been around sports and kind 137 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 6: of I have that I guess that traditional broadcasting story. 138 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 6: I've heard a lot of people who are in news 139 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 6: be like, oh, you know, I used to do broadcasts 140 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 6: with the you know, hairbrush and stuff. My mom had 141 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 6: gotten us this old school camera that you put the 142 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 6: whole VHS tape. If you're probably under the age twenty 143 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 6: five year idea, what that is that you put a 144 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 6: whole tape in the whole camera thing. So we used 145 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 6: to shoot like Kung Fu movies and you know, news 146 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 6: broadcasts and stuff. So I probably always was meant to 147 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 6: be on the broadcasting side. But I just always loved sports. 148 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 6: I wanted to be Michael Jordan, which you know five 149 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 6: to two, so that's not happening. Yeah. So I just 150 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 6: always had an opinion about sports. Like we were saying 151 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 6: before we started recording, like if you're a sports fan, 152 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 6: you have an opinion about everything, like you care like 153 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 6: you're a fanatic, you care about your teams, You care 154 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 6: about what they should do, you care about who your 155 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 6: favorite player is, and you know, being a college athlete, 156 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 6: you kind of start to understand how hard it is 157 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 6: to go from it's hard to go from high school 158 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 6: to play in college, but from college to the pros 159 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 6: is as you said, it's really rare. It's hard to do. 160 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 6: So I had all this kind of background in sports 161 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 6: to begin with, and then I went to Barry University 162 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 6: in Miami for broadcast journalism. And when I got to school, 163 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 6: one of my professors had one of the managers of 164 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 6: the radio station, which I didn't even know that we 165 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 6: had at the school, come in and talk to our 166 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 6: class and was like, you know, we're looking for radio 167 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 6: hosts for the radio station here, And I was like, 168 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 6: how did I even have spots? Like we're all and 169 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 6: so we should all be trying to do that. So 170 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 6: I went down and signed up for a show and 171 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 6: just started learning the basics of radio, which I always 172 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 6: really loved radio. I loved Howard Stern, I loved listening 173 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 6: to morning shows. I liked the idea that you could 174 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 6: bring somebody into the room with you, like theater of 175 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,199 Speaker 6: the mind. You know, when you listen to a good 176 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 6: radio show, you feel like you're a part of their life, 177 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,719 Speaker 6: like you want to know, like what happened with that. 178 00:08:57,840 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 6: You know they got in a fight with their wife 179 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 6: last night, they're going to talk it or this prank, 180 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 6: and you feel like you're in the room with them, 181 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 6: and you really establish kind of a relationship because it's 182 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 6: your routine to listen to them every day. So I 183 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 6: love that. And on the business side of things, I 184 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 6: try to look ahead at what the direction the business 185 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 6: was going in, and a lot of people think like 186 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 6: you got to start as a reporter or a writer, 187 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 6: and to me, I saw what was happening with politics. 188 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 6: Most political shows are really just opinion shows. They're labeled 189 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 6: as news, but we know they're not news. Their opinion. 190 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 6: It's news opinion. Sports and politics have a lot in 191 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 6: common because it's really and now even more become the 192 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 6: last live thing you can really watch. So opinion is 193 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 6: very valuable because people watch it live and then they 194 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 6: want to hear what you think about it. So I 195 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 6: felt like it was the right move for me to 196 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 6: go into an opinion direction, and radio gives you that 197 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 6: format because what are we doing here? We're just talking 198 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 6: so started interning at sports radio station in Miami, and 199 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 6: then I interned on a music morning show, DJ Laz 200 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 6: Power ninety six, and that gave me sort of a 201 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 6: background in you know, and entertainment and booking guests and 202 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 6: how do you create a following and that kind of 203 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 6: energy that I was talking about where people are like 204 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 6: in the room with you and get to know your character. 205 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 6: So that was kind of like my my base and 206 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 6: how I really started to get into the business and 207 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 6: learn the business. 208 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 3: From a financial standpoint, because a lot of people will 209 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 3: stop their dream because they'll say it doesn't pay enough 210 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:30,439 Speaker 3: at this point. Are you doing other things to supplement 211 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:32,959 Speaker 3: income or was this something that was paying for your 212 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 3: life at the time. 213 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 6: You know, it's funny. I was talking to a young 214 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 6: girl who's graduating school in a month or so, and 215 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,199 Speaker 6: what they don't tell you about broadcasting is you're not 216 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 6: going to make any money. 217 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 2: That's what I've heard. 218 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,079 Speaker 6: Don't get in the business. If that's your plan. If 219 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 6: you have you know, a trust fund, or you got 220 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 6: like some other kind of situations, that's that's that's good. 221 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:01,079 Speaker 6: Make sure you're hung though, because that's not going to 222 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 6: help you move up either. You just don't make any 223 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 6: money when you first get in the business. My first 224 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 6: job ended up being at the place I interned at 225 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 6: five sixty q AM in Miami, and I think I 226 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 6: made like eight fifty an hour or something in Miami. 227 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 6: So that's not enough enough, so I bartended and freelanced it. 228 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 6: Like I mean, I think at one point I had 229 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 6: like ten jobs, so writing anywhere, picking up shifts on 230 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 6: the weekends. I had two bartending jobs. I mean there 231 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 6: was a month out like I really worked every single day, 232 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 6: like bartended every single day, and freelance on the weekends. 233 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 6: Like you're just not going to make any money when 234 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 6: you first get in the business. It's just how it is. 235 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 6: They don't tell you that. And because it's television, it 236 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 6: seems like it's like a it's a glamor job, even radio, 237 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 6: like it's a glamour job, and it is, but it 238 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 6: just doesn't pay until you get to the highest, highest, 239 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 6: highest level. So yeah, I mean it's you always have 240 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 6: to have other income from the beginning. And really actually 241 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 6: even the guys and women who at the highest level 242 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 6: always have multiple jobs because it's a very unpredictable business. 243 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 6: And I think we all saw that this past year, 244 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 6: like it's you could not have sports and then what 245 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 6: do you do. 246 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 3: I'm still wondering why people are broadcasting from home because 247 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 3: I feel like if they're going into these situations like 248 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 3: these arenas, I'm looking at it like why are we 249 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 3: at home doing a game when we could just be 250 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 3: in the boxes at the game. 251 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 2: What do you mean? 252 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:30,319 Speaker 4: Like broadcasters they are at the game. A lot of 253 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 4: them are doing it from home. Like Chris Webber, that's him, 254 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 4: that's not him. 255 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 3: Like I watched Ryan ROOKLD the other day, he was 256 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 3: doing it from his boss. 257 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:45,839 Speaker 6: A lot for the industry's changed a lot because of 258 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 6: the pandemic. One thing that a lot of the studios 259 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:51,559 Speaker 6: have learned that you don't have to be in studio. 260 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 6: So like for us, we used to never have guests 261 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 6: unless they were in studio or unless they were like 262 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 6: at a studio with a studio camera and studio connection. 263 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 6: Like we would never do skype, very rarely do phone calls, 264 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 6: so we were actually kind of limited when it came 265 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:10,719 Speaker 6: to guess you had to be in la so a 266 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 6: lot of times if the network would fly you out. 267 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 6: That's why they have the you know the what am 268 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 6: I what's the word I'm looking for? Like the spin cycle, 269 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,079 Speaker 6: they put you through the cycle and all the shows 270 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 6: because they've flown you out for a couple days. So 271 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,199 Speaker 6: they're flying out you out to Bristol. Say a ESPN, 272 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 6: you're going to do every single show for a couple 273 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,079 Speaker 6: of days. And same with us because the network's paying 274 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 6: to put you up and has to pay for your 275 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 6: meals and the whole thing. Now you could do it 276 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 6: all on zoom. So why we need to fly people out? 277 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 6: You can say, rightse your house. The connection's great. The 278 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 6: audience doesn't care because they know why you're not there. 279 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 6: So for a lot of networks and shows, they're like, well, 280 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 6: we're paying for all the studio space for It was 281 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 6: always a concern for the audience. I think a lot 282 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:57,599 Speaker 6: of people felt like it didn't look polished, so the 283 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 6: audience wasn't going to take the show seriously. But now 284 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 6: we all know why everyone's home. We know that it's 285 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 6: more affordable, it's easy. We kind of like the rawness 286 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 6: of some of these shows being that we're like seeing 287 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 6: people at home and it's not the whole studio setup. 288 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 6: So some shows that actually serves them. So I mean 289 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 6: eventually we'll get back to it's much easier to broadcast 290 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 6: a game or call a game in person that's not 291 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 6: being there. But for a lot of shows they're going 292 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 6: to stay home in some capacity. 293 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 4: But do you think that, I don't know. I just 294 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 4: felt even talking like Charlomagne when we went to the 295 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 4: Breakfast Club, he was very adamant that we do the 296 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 4: Breakfast Club in person because he was like, it's just 297 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 4: not the same when they're doing it in Zoom, and 298 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 4: we feel the same way, like, you know, we have 299 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 4: done Zoom episodes, but it's not the same, Like there's 300 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 4: nothing like in person experience. So for you personally, even 301 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 4: though you guys don't have a lot of guests, but 302 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 4: you still are interacting with other people on set, do 303 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 4: you prefer the in person experience or it doesn't really 304 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 4: matter to you. 305 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 6: Oh, in person is always better. You get the energy, 306 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 6: you know, the cadence. You don't have to worry abou 307 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 6: technology freaking out on you, which you know hasn't doesn't 308 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 6: happen a lot, but it's still a liability. Can happen 309 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 6: at any time, So that's you know, that could ruin things, 310 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 6: or it's you know, it's delayed or things like that. 311 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 6: So in person is always preferred and better, but for 312 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 6: everything it's not necessary. So like for Colin and I, 313 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 6: we've had to do some shows where we're not in 314 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 6: studio together because of code, and it's very difficult, especially 315 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 6: for us because we have a lot of like banter 316 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 6: back and forth and we at this point we know 317 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 6: each other as like Cadence and all that. But when 318 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 6: you have to give it an extra second because of 319 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 6: the delay, it's like it's very choppy. It's hard to do. 320 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 6: So that's definitely not preferred. But for guests like you 321 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 6: know here and there, it's it's not a massive difference, 322 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 6: and it opens up so many more guests for us 323 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 6: because we can have players like we have players from 324 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 6: you know, literally walk off the practice field in their 325 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 6: car like we would never get them, you know, during 326 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 6: the season before because there's no access. 327 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 3: I was going to say so because I'm thinking in 328 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 3: your career, I watched it. So you did the broadcast 329 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 3: radio and then you hosted Fantasy Football for CBS and 330 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 3: in twenty sixteen Fox Sports, which one of those moments 331 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 3: was the you know what, I'm in the right place. 332 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 2: This is what I should be doing with my career. 333 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,239 Speaker 6: And actually started in Miami because I was the executive 334 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 6: producer of the Hawkman and Zaslow Show at seven to 335 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 6: ninety the Ticket and I had a kind of a 336 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 6: significant on air role as the executive producer. And Hawkman left, 337 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 6: so they were looking for a co host for the 338 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 6: morning show there and Zasla was going to be hosting 339 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 6: the show co host and he was like, you know, 340 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 6: I want joy and so they offered it to me 341 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 6: and I took it. And once we started rolling with 342 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 6: that show, and I saw kind of like the impact 343 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 6: that the people that listened to the show, like you 344 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 6: go out in the city and people would be like, 345 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 6: I love the show, Like you guys do such a 346 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 6: great show. We listened every morning, like my daughter listens, 347 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 6: my family listens, like you got my wife listening to 348 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 6: sports talk radio. Because of the show that we were doing. 349 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 6: That's when I really felt like I could I could 350 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 6: maybe break through with this, Like I feel confident. You know, 351 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 6: you start to hit your stride and that's really when 352 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 6: you lean into your personality and and for me, that 353 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 6: was when I really got my confidence in what I 354 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 6: was doing in broadcasting. 355 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 4: Let me ask you this, what is the process of 356 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 4: actually getting hired to be a broadcast? Is it, like 357 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 4: you an actor, you have to actually read apart, like 358 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,360 Speaker 4: do you actually have to give you a hypothetical five 359 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 4: minute thing and you have to talk? And then I 360 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 4: noticed like you have a unique voice, Like I feel 361 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 4: like work has are so polished way they talk. I'm 362 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 4: embarrassed to how I speak, Like listen like they're saying. 363 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 4: It's like what's best? Yeah, addiction is just so perfect 364 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 4: and the voice structure, like is that natural or do 365 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 4: you have to actually go to classes to learn how 366 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 4: to speak like that? 367 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 6: What's funny? I was looking for an agent in my 368 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 6: second contract in Miami, and I had an agency tell 369 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 6: me that I needed to go to voice like a 370 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 6: voice coach. They're like, your voice isn't strong enough for something. 371 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 6: I was like, I don't know, fucking curse on here. 372 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 6: Out of four hours of radio every day, I don't 373 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 6: need a voice code. But you know, it's things like 374 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,880 Speaker 6: that actually that motivates you. So the process, at least 375 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 6: for me, I'll tell you what my experience was because 376 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:28,679 Speaker 6: I can't speak for every network, but generally you're going 377 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 6: to have a reel so you'll have a radio reel, 378 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 6: a TV reel, which is essentially like cuts of your 379 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 6: best work or not necessarily your best work, it could 380 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 6: be a kind of yeah, but it's it's stuff you've 381 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 6: already done. So, like, one of the hard things about 382 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 6: broadcasting is nobody wants to hire you if you don't 383 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,439 Speaker 6: have experience, but you can't get hired. You can't get 384 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 6: experience peop unless you get hired, So it's like what 385 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 6: do you do? So that's why building stuff up in 386 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 6: college is really important. And now kids that are in 387 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 6: college or you know, early on in the broadcasting careers 388 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 6: have a great advantage in YouTube and Instagram and you know, 389 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:10,159 Speaker 6: all these things that when I was coming out of 390 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,880 Speaker 6: school really weren't strong. Like you can really build up 391 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:17,360 Speaker 6: a good solid amount of like tape and reputation and 392 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,640 Speaker 6: you know, material to send to people before you're even 393 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 6: out of school now. So that's like definitely something that 394 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 6: people should take advantage of. But a reel is essentially 395 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 6: it's like a three minute it's a highlight reel. Like 396 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 6: it's just like if you were playing sports, like you 397 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,400 Speaker 6: it's your best highlights, or if it's a specific job, 398 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:35,880 Speaker 6: like maybe you're going for a reporting job over hosting job, 399 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 6: you would cut your best reporting reel and send that 400 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:42,239 Speaker 6: to the station or the network so they'll watch that. 401 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 6: They'll definitely look into your references. Generally, people don't want 402 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 6: to hire people that are difficult to work with, that 403 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 6: you know, aren't consistent, they don't try when they're at work, 404 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 6: or they don't get along with anybody, So your reputation 405 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 6: is really important. References are important, which is why internships 406 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 6: are so important, because it's just like any other those 407 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 6: people want to hire people they know, like they prefer 408 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 6: to hire someone they know or someone that they know 409 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 6: knows over somebody that just walks in up the street. 410 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 6: You have good references, but you know, you want to 411 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 6: feel like this is if I'm bringing somebody into my company, 412 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 6: I'm gonna give them this job, this opportunity of this 413 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 6: role that I know they're not going to like make 414 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:20,360 Speaker 6: me look bad or cause problems. So that's super important. 415 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 6: But you're real your resume, your references are the most 416 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:26,959 Speaker 6: important things. So once you get an interview, depending on 417 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 6: what it is, like, I didn't do a audition for radio. 418 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 6: When I got hired for radio, I did the interview. 419 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 6: They had my radio reel from the last station. They 420 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 6: knew what I've done at Barry, they knew the you know, 421 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 6: the the reputation that I had at q AM, and 422 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 6: I got the job as an executive producer. But I 423 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 6: had a lot of producing experience at that point. I 424 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 6: had two internships as a producer and then I worked 425 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 6: as a producer for I think a year and a 426 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 6: half at q AM, plus all of the other ten 427 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 6: jobs that I had. Yeah, so you really want to 428 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 6: have like a strong reel and send it to people 429 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,439 Speaker 6: in the business to give you critiques on it, because, 430 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 6: like anything else, once you get bored, they're going to 431 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 6: move on to the next thing. So you really wanted 432 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 6: to be like strong, keep somebody's attention that represents who 433 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 6: you are. So those are generally the things that will 434 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 6: get you the interview. Now, when you get to the 435 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 6: network level, you're still going to have a real so radio, 436 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 6: real reporting reel, hosting reel, you know, whatever it is 437 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 6: that you're going for. So when I got to Fox, 438 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 6: then you have to audition, So it's it's kind of 439 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 6: I mean, I've been to some acting auditions, so I 440 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 6: guess it's like that but it's there's no script, so 441 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 6: that's the difference. So I came in and did well. 442 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 6: They called a test, so it's not that they don't 443 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 6: call it an audition. They called it a test, but 444 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 6: it's an audition, so you go in. Well, I went 445 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 6: in and you know, we had this set and had 446 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 6: a few people like auditioning testing with me, and they 447 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 6: do like a segment, so they did camp. It was 448 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:06,959 Speaker 6: I mean, this was twenty sixteen, right, so Cam Newton 449 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:13,120 Speaker 6: someone was in Carolina still and the newspaper there had 450 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 6: published some letter to the editor from some old lady 451 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 6: who was like mad at Cam Newton about having a 452 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 6: baby and not marrying his girl. Okay, and it was 453 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,880 Speaker 6: like super bizarre, but I get everyone was talking about it, 454 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 6: and so we kept talking about it. You know, We're 455 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 6: going around the panel and everyone's like giving their opinion 456 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:40,439 Speaker 6: about it. And I was like, are we really talking 457 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 6: about a man having a baby out of Like we're 458 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 6: using the term out of wedlock in twenty sixteen, Like 459 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 6: this man is supporting his child, he's claving his woman, 460 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 6: he's good in the community, he's the face of the organization. 461 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,479 Speaker 6: Like who cares if he buries her? Or not. What 462 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 6: are we talking about? Like the only person should be 463 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 6: met about this is her, like if she had fne 464 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:02,919 Speaker 6: But like, why are we worried about what this old 465 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 6: lady is saying about Cam Newton? I married his girl 466 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 6: who he's taking care of the child. Like I'm very 467 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,959 Speaker 6: confused as to why we're talking about this. So that 468 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 6: was that was our audition, Like that was I had 469 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 6: multiple auditions, but like that's basically what happened. Like they 470 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 6: gave you a topic, you research it and. 471 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 2: Like give your opinion when you were creating your reels. 472 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 3: Because when you said you were an athlete, you looked 473 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 3: up to Michael Jordan, and so in the broadcasting world 474 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,159 Speaker 3: you look and you said you listen to Howard Stern. 475 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 3: Were there broadcast analysts that you were looking up to? 476 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 3: And were they male or female? Like was it like 477 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,880 Speaker 3: Stuart Scott or was it like, uh, Robin Roberts. 478 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 6: And Robin Roberts Stuart Scott, I mean honestly, like al 479 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:45,919 Speaker 6: Michaels was the man? Yeah, I love now Michaels. I 480 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 6: mean you got John Madden, you know, I just I 481 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 6: really loved football, like in like Monday night football to 482 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 6: me when I first gone the business. That was my goals, 483 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 6: like I'm going to be the first woman to like 484 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,439 Speaker 6: call Monday night football games full time, And then I 485 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 6: realized how hard played. Play by play is no joke, 486 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 6: although I did do play by play this year for 487 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 6: Prime Video on Thursday Night Football with Bucky Brooks and 488 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 6: Daniel Jeremiah, So I guess the dream is still alive. 489 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 3: But there's a difference between play by play and color coordinator. 490 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 6: Right, yeah, so play by play and color commentary commentary. Yeah, yeah, 491 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 6: So play by play is traditional play by play, which 492 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:26,679 Speaker 6: isn't what we did on Prime Video is more of 493 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 6: like a conversation, but we still had to do some 494 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 6: elements at play by playing and color. So play by 495 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,439 Speaker 6: play you'll see like them line up, so it'll be 496 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 6: like it'll be Joe Buck and Troy Aikman, Like Joe 497 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 6: Buck is play by play, Troy Aikman is the color. 498 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 6: So basically, the play by play will explain what's happening, 499 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 6: how they're lining up, who through to who, what's that 500 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,919 Speaker 6: like down in distance, how much time is left, whatever, 501 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 6: shot clock, things like that, and color will add the 502 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 6: elements of the play. So this is why they called 503 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 6: that there if you if you watch so and so's 504 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,199 Speaker 6: in motion like so there's a balance to it and 505 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 6: timing and the best duos like Joe about Ben troyk 506 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 6: Man like have that cadence totally down to Yeah, Tony's amazing, 507 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 6: Tony's amazing. He's amazing. Yes, and he So that's that's 508 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 6: exactly how it is. So he adds he has the 509 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 6: color like the play by play, it does the outline 510 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 6: and the color is the colors, if that makes sense. 511 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 6: It's very simplistic. 512 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:25,679 Speaker 2: But the colors. 513 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 4: Yes, color coordinator. That's that's a new that's a new position. 514 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 4: Color coordinator. How difficult is it to read off of teleprompters. 515 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 6: It's so it's scary, but it takes like once you 516 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 6: get the everyone has their own system. So for me, 517 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 6: I'm like a bit of a perfectionist. And you know, 518 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 6: you're working with Skip and Shannon, so yeah, it's a 519 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 6: whole lot. 520 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 4: Of room for error. 521 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 6: But the first time a telepromper breaks on you is 522 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 6: when you really like respect like, okay, this is not 523 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 6: because you're so reliant on that and the purpose of 524 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 6: the teleprompter is to set something up precisely or to 525 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 6: read a commercial precisely, like otherwise you would just have 526 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 6: notes and you would talk like you freesyle it with 527 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 6: maybe with notes, but like you're not gonna read it, 528 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 6: so it's meant to make you look like you're talking 529 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 6: but you're actually reading. So one you can't just sit 530 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 6: there like and coming up next, like is you got 531 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 6: a top like you would normally talk but you're actually reading. 532 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,919 Speaker 6: Can't but listen, but listen. That's how it is. That's 533 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 6: why that's funny, because that's really how it is. Like 534 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 6: you rely on this machine. Sometimes it just goes down 535 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 6: and like sometimes somebody will put the wrong word in 536 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 6: and then you get messed up, or they're going too 537 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 6: fast or they're going too slow, and then you're like 538 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 6: coming up. So it it is a it's a bit 539 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 6: of an art to learn it. For me, I would 540 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 6: always have paper like my script next to me and 541 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 6: there and I would make marks like okay, so this 542 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,199 Speaker 6: is I'm gonna break here, I take a breath, he year, 543 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 6: so that if the prompter went down for any reason, 544 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 6: or if they were reading too slow or anything was wrong, 545 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 6: then I could just look down and keep going. And 546 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 6: I would always flip so you'll notice when when people 547 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 6: do news broadcasts and they're moving their papers, that's what 548 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,439 Speaker 6: they're doing. So they're keeping up with the prompters so 549 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 6: that if the prompter goes down, they can just read 550 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 6: off the script and just keep it going. 551 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,400 Speaker 3: Okay, I stole that fe We saw people writing notes 552 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 3: and we're like, what are they doing. 553 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,439 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what that's what they're doing. Yeah, they're just 554 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,919 Speaker 6: they're keeping they're keeping pace with the teleprompters so that 555 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,199 Speaker 6: if it goes down, because it's scary, like you're just 556 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 6: out there and you're not memorizing this stuff because it's 557 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,120 Speaker 6: on it's supposed to be there for you to read. 558 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:37,719 Speaker 6: So if it goes down, then you got to like 559 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 6: ad lib and what you know, maybe that was a 560 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,120 Speaker 6: specific quote you were supposed to read, so I don't 561 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:44,439 Speaker 6: want no parts of messing that up. 562 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 4: So that's like in middle school when the teacher used 563 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 4: to ask me to read. I used to try to, like, 564 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 4: you know, you got a group assignments, like I would 565 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 4: read my part in my brain like five minutes four 566 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 4: or you know, you don't want to get embarrassed. A 567 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 4: lot of people got embarrassed in the class when. 568 00:27:58,680 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 2: She used to make y'all read. 569 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:04,879 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a that's a different conversation forget. That is 570 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,479 Speaker 4: a fact, though not because people don't fully respect how 571 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 4: they think. You just go out there and you just 572 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 4: talking about sports. But it's like this stuff is hard 573 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 4: and it's a high level of anxiety, Like you got 574 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 4: to read something and there's somebody if you mess up, 575 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 4: like everybody's looking at you, and it's like it's not 576 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 4: as easy as people think it is. 577 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,880 Speaker 6: Yeah, and then you're a woman. So yeah, there's no. 578 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 4: Room for let's let's get into that. Let's get it, 579 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 4: let's get into that conversation. So sports every well, unfortunately everything, 580 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 4: A lot of industries are male dominated, and sports is 581 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 4: no different. Right, So even like most shows, they'll have 582 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 4: one woman, but they might have like three guys or 583 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 4: two guys or whatever. So how is it breaking into 584 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 4: that being a woman? How has your experience been in 585 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 4: the world of sports being a woman. 586 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 6: Well, I think it's changed throughout my career. Like I 587 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 6: was thinking about it the other day, because I run 588 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 6: into situations where I think sometimes like I expect the 589 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 6: men around me to fight for me, and then I'm like, man, 590 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 6: how many men have really fought for me throughout my career, 591 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 6: Like I can think of one situation where I was 592 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 6: really getting disrespected and the host went out of his 593 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 6: way to make sure that that's not dip by by 594 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 6: like someone else in this in the station. 595 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 4: Like a a boss. 596 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 6: Yeah okay, and and he just what I told him 597 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 6: what happened, and he just wasn't having it. But that 598 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 6: situation actually ended up pushing me out of that station, 599 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 6: which led me to the next station, which led me 600 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 6: to the show, which led me here. So sometimes, you know, 601 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 6: when you reach a block in life, or someone's telling 602 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 6: you know, or you're being made to feel uncomfortable, it's 603 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 6: sometimes because the universe is telling you it's time to disrupt, 604 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 6: like it's time to move, and you know, uplift and 605 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 6: try something new or go another direction. But I've been 606 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 6: really blessed that the talent that I've worked with has 607 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 6: been very supportive of me, has been very big advocates 608 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 6: for me, big allies for me. I don't know that 609 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 6: I can say that for every woman in the business. 610 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 6: I've also had horrific experiences and you know, Ben sexually 611 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 6: harassed and Ben put in you know, compromising situations, and 612 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 6: you know had gotten a job, and then you know, 613 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 6: God had a reference to be like, yeah, so what's up, 614 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 6: because you know what I'm saying, you got this job, 615 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 6: like this job first of all, like, so, no, I 616 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 6: don't owe you anything, but it's you know, it's it's 617 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 6: a very specific industry because we are mostly covering men, 618 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 6: and there is an expectation as a woman in sports 619 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 6: that you you're only there to be on TV or 620 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,719 Speaker 6: to be famus like you don't actually really care about sports. 621 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 6: You don't actually really follow or know anything about sports. 622 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 2: Fuck, that's all over. 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Whereas sports, you constantly 653 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 6: have to prove yourself every day, which is my point 654 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 6: about messing up, like I don't I'm crazy about like 655 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 6: my notes. Everything has to be perfect has to be 656 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 6: triple checked because I don't want to go on air 657 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 6: and say something and it's like the wrong team or 658 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 6: something something silly like oh, you know, I say you 659 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 6: got traded and he really got cut and picked up. 660 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 6: Because for a man, they can and say that, nobody's 661 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 6: going to be like, oh, he doesn't know anything about 662 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 6: sports or he doesn't care about sports. For a woman, 663 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,479 Speaker 6: that's like they're gonna look at you like it's an 664 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 6: avalanche of people telling you that you know, you don't 665 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 6: belong there, or it invalidates you in some way. So, 666 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 6: I mean, we've seen many examples of that. But that's 667 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 6: really the difference to me and other industries, because I 668 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 6: agree with you most industries are now dominated. Sports isn't 669 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 6: unique in that space, But what is unique is that 670 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 6: if you do make it to any kind of level 671 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 6: of esteem in the business, you have to constantly prove 672 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 6: you belong there, why you belong there, And if you 673 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 6: do anything outside of sports, it's like, up, see. 674 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 2: I told you he really doesn't like sports, really doesn't like. 675 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 6: She really watches movies, and that's like that's the difference. 676 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 3: Is that something that you're consistently battling because obviously when 677 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 3: you start, the doubt is obviously there. 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Hiring Indeed is 729 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 1: all you need. 730 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 6: Sometimes there's other women in the business, and it's certainly executives. 731 00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 2: Like what's that relationship like with other women in the business. 732 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 6: More whelmingly, women in this business are very supportive of 733 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 6: each other with like any kind of you know, humans interacting. 734 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,120 Speaker 6: You're not going to get along with everybody, but at 735 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,399 Speaker 6: least for me, the people that I don't get along 736 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 6: with you'll never know because I don't believe in that, 737 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,759 Speaker 6: Like I'm not no matter what happens. Pretty much yet 738 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 6: like no matter what happens. I'm not going to put 739 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:25,080 Speaker 6: anybody out out there for that, even if it's personal, 740 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 6: because one, it's too hard for women, especially Black women, 741 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,880 Speaker 6: to get into this business and to get opportunities. So 742 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,400 Speaker 6: I don't like reinforcing any type of stereotype that like 743 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,480 Speaker 6: women are catty with each other, because really that's not 744 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 6: the truth. Like I want other women to be in 745 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 6: the business. I want other women to have opportunities because 746 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:48,480 Speaker 6: the more women, the more Black women, the more diversity 747 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 6: there is, the less of a thing it is. And 748 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:51,799 Speaker 6: then we're not talking about this. 749 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 3: I feel like I feel like black women have dominated. 750 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 3: Like I remember growing up watching ESPN and like Craig 751 00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 3: Kilbourne and Carl Rabbits I knew though names, and Stuart 752 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,799 Speaker 3: Sky and now Jamail Hill, who obviously is not with 753 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,759 Speaker 3: the ESPAN anymore, but you carry champion. I feel like 754 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 3: El Duncan I know those names more than I'm looking 755 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:11,640 Speaker 3: at the guys, like who's this guy sitting next to him? 756 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,359 Speaker 2: Now? Like there's been a shift, would you. 757 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:18,080 Speaker 6: Say, I definitely think there are more opportunities now, and 758 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,279 Speaker 6: I think that more companies are seeing the value and 759 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:25,200 Speaker 6: having diversity. Not only does it bring in other audiences, 760 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 6: but it brings in different perspectives which only enriches the 761 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:34,840 Speaker 6: conversation and you know, the opinions and the shows. But 762 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,719 Speaker 6: also I will say, because women and particularly black women 763 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 6: have to work twice as hard for half as much. 764 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,760 Speaker 6: When you do get an opportunity, you're a fucking baller 765 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,040 Speaker 6: because you're so much better than you had to be 766 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,880 Speaker 6: to get that job. So it's never a surprise to 767 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,360 Speaker 6: me when we thrive, because it's like, do you know 768 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,920 Speaker 6: what I had to do to get in this door? 769 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,319 Speaker 6: Like I'm excellent, I'm not good because you can't be good. 770 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 6: Good is not enough. You got to be excellent. You 771 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,880 Speaker 6: can't be as good as the man. You gotta be 772 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,440 Speaker 6: noticeably better to get the same opportunity and then not 773 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 6: get paid the same. 774 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:10,280 Speaker 2: That's another that's another topic. 775 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 4: Well, that definitely something that we have to speak about. 776 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,839 Speaker 4: Let's jump into that. So equal pay is a very 777 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,480 Speaker 4: big topic, not only in sports but all over. But 778 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:23,240 Speaker 4: sports has been highlighted, I believe when the US soccer 779 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:29,000 Speaker 4: team won the gold medal again all the men's team 780 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,040 Speaker 4: didn't even make the qualify qualify, but the men's got 781 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,360 Speaker 4: paid more. It's a whole thing. We can go tennis everything, 782 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,319 Speaker 4: all right, So this is no different in the in 783 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:44,280 Speaker 4: the broadcasting realized soon where we see like Stuart Scott, 784 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,839 Speaker 4: you got like ten million dollars, right, so Steve Smith, 785 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,160 Speaker 4: rec Scott, steven A Smith. But we haven't seen those 786 00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,880 Speaker 4: kind of numbers for a woman yet. So how do 787 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:56,680 Speaker 4: you feel about that pay situation? 788 00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:00,680 Speaker 6: Well, talent is kind of is kind of an interest space, 789 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,440 Speaker 6: like and every time I talk about equal pay on 790 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,719 Speaker 6: social media, people always go to the WNBA and like 791 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,120 Speaker 6: I'm not talking like why are you what is this? 792 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,200 Speaker 6: Did somebody hurt you? Like what are you talking about 793 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,759 Speaker 6: WNBA for? Like, w NBA players are not asking for 794 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,120 Speaker 6: the same amount same pay as NBA players. Who told 795 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,560 Speaker 6: you that? Stop saying that. That's not what That's not 796 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,600 Speaker 6: what's being advocated for. Like the soccer team, that is 797 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,799 Speaker 6: a legitimate conversation. We need to make it the same. 798 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,080 Speaker 6: Not only we have more ratings, we're bringing in more 799 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,719 Speaker 6: revenue and y'all not even making the World Cup. So 800 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:35,279 Speaker 6: focus on yourselves, yes, like fix yourselves first. This is 801 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,000 Speaker 6: this is These are different conversations and it's similar to talent, 802 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,520 Speaker 6: Like this is Hollywood, it's really the entertainment business that 803 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,640 Speaker 6: we work in. Yes, it's broadcasting. Yes, you can go 804 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,239 Speaker 6: to school and get a degree in it. And it 805 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 6: is like a legitimate structure in some spaces to move 806 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:54,160 Speaker 6: up like producers and you know, kind of behind the scenes. 807 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,879 Speaker 6: But when you're talking about talent, it can we can 808 00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,959 Speaker 6: be a wide range of what people are getting paid, 809 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,520 Speaker 6: men and women. And when you have leverage, when you 810 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,480 Speaker 6: have audiences, that changes things. And that's for anything that's 811 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:10,840 Speaker 6: for entertainment shows, is for you know, homely modeling shows, 812 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,759 Speaker 6: like there is no real structure like this person makes 813 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,239 Speaker 6: this much when they hit this, So it gets kind 814 00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,239 Speaker 6: of nuanced when it comes to like you know, see 815 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,440 Speaker 6: what Steven as making or what Skip is making, Like 816 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,400 Speaker 6: you know, there's a lot that goes into those contract negotiations. 817 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,719 Speaker 6: Part of it, to me, why there's not women making 818 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:30,960 Speaker 6: that kind of money is because women don't get put 819 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 6: in those those roles and those shows in. 820 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,160 Speaker 4: The first place, right, we don't have the opportunity. 821 00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,440 Speaker 6: Yeah, So Jamelle is obviously a great example of that. 822 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,680 Speaker 6: And Jammel's done great for herself. She's one of the 823 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:42,319 Speaker 6: very few women that I've ever been in that I 824 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,040 Speaker 6: mean I used to watch her show and be like, 825 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,200 Speaker 6: that's what I'm trying to do. Like she has her 826 00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,359 Speaker 6: own show with Michael and she gives her opinion every 827 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,960 Speaker 6: day and she's on every single she's doing a daily show, 828 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,719 Speaker 6: and like that's her show. She's not asking people questions, 829 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,040 Speaker 6: she's not in a role, and that is like the 830 00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,560 Speaker 6: next shift to me. And it is happen like there 831 00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 6: are more women getting opportunities, but like, you don't have 832 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,320 Speaker 6: women in those seats, So how could women make that 833 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,480 Speaker 6: kind of money if they're not in those seats to 834 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:08,960 Speaker 6: begin with? 835 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, carry it as well at the charriage. Yet she's 836 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:13,480 Speaker 3: actually on a black effect. 837 00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,839 Speaker 4: Shout we did a commercial for her. 838 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she's We're on the same team, so shout shot. 839 00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:20,680 Speaker 4: Let me ask you this. Let's get into this conversation. 840 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:27,000 Speaker 4: As far as sports, right, it's just I'm pretty sure 841 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:28,759 Speaker 4: there's numbers to back this up, but definitely by the 842 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,120 Speaker 4: eye test, growing up, sports was everything, Like sports figures 843 00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:36,560 Speaker 4: were like demi gods. Everybody loved basketball, football and all that. 844 00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,520 Speaker 4: I feel like the enthusiasm for sports has died down 845 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,920 Speaker 4: tremendously during the pandemic. And I don't know, I just 846 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:44,560 Speaker 4: feel like you just on social media. I don't see 847 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:49,640 Speaker 4: the same enthusiasm for the general public has for sports. 848 00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,640 Speaker 4: You're in the sports world. How do you feel about that? 849 00:42:55,560 --> 00:43:00,440 Speaker 6: I disagree. I think I think the admiration may for 850 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,080 Speaker 6: athletes has changed a little bit, But I don't think 851 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,920 Speaker 6: that has anything to do with people's desire to watch sports. 852 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:11,239 Speaker 6: I think that is access. So I guess it's like 853 00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,880 Speaker 6: two different things. So as far as athletes go, we 854 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:15,760 Speaker 6: just live in a different world. Like you can tweet, 855 00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:19,560 Speaker 6: you can cameo, you can Instagram live. We feel like 856 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:24,359 Speaker 6: we have closeness to people that used to be to 857 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,799 Speaker 6: your point, demigods, Like you didn't used to be able 858 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,040 Speaker 6: to reach Michael Jackson right, Like you didn't used to 859 00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,360 Speaker 6: be able to go hang out with Diana Ross, Like 860 00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:38,359 Speaker 6: these were untouchable superstars, next level gods. Really, like you're 861 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,640 Speaker 6: not gonna run into Madonna right now. You feel like 862 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,400 Speaker 6: you kind of like everybody kind of feel like they 863 00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,399 Speaker 6: know Lebron a little bit. Like you're on Instagram Live, 864 00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:51,240 Speaker 6: like you got an Instagram page. Yeah, Like we feel 865 00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,120 Speaker 6: like we're apart, like we can see them more. It's 866 00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:54,880 Speaker 6: not like, oh, you're not in front of your television 867 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,239 Speaker 6: at this particular moment, at this particular time, and then 868 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,680 Speaker 6: maybe you can see Michael Jordan. That doesn't exist anymore. 869 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,840 Speaker 6: You have so much access, so I think there's so 870 00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,040 Speaker 6: many other ways to get famous, right, you can be 871 00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:06,560 Speaker 6: on YouTube. 872 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:08,480 Speaker 4: That's what not to cut you off. But that's what 873 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,239 Speaker 4: I was like kind of hitting that because I feel 874 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,680 Speaker 4: like this is my personal thesis. NBA players, there's like 875 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,799 Speaker 4: twenty four players that matter the All Stars, probably even 876 00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,000 Speaker 4: less than that. NFL there's like two players that matter. 877 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:22,560 Speaker 6: No. 878 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,160 Speaker 4: But when I say matter, I mean like walking down 879 00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,440 Speaker 4: Melrose like they're not going to know who the two 880 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:28,400 Speaker 4: the linebackers. 881 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,040 Speaker 6: That's like the is. But I think that that is 882 00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,120 Speaker 6: a reflection of like the society that we live in, 883 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:40,600 Speaker 6: the access to people have. There's so much content you 884 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,920 Speaker 6: have access to, so that I think has to your 885 00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:45,880 Speaker 6: I understand your point there that I would agree with, 886 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:47,839 Speaker 6: But I don't think that's because people care about sports less. 887 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,799 Speaker 6: I think it's because people a think that they're kind 888 00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:50,720 Speaker 6: of famous. 889 00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,520 Speaker 4: Well YouTubers and yeah, they become more famous Tom. 890 00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,920 Speaker 6: Yeah, and there's just more, there's more to pay attention to, 891 00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,439 Speaker 6: Like for us, you know, I'm recording Michael Jordan's games 892 00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,400 Speaker 6: and rewatching them even though I already know what happened. 893 00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,680 Speaker 6: You know, that's like you have so much access to 894 00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,439 Speaker 6: stuff now and information and content, so that I think 895 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,640 Speaker 6: is just a little bit more watered down. Yeah, I 896 00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:11,959 Speaker 6: don't think we will Like Lebron Box on the street. 897 00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:12,720 Speaker 6: He's gonna have a crowd. 898 00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,120 Speaker 4: Lebron's kyrie kad. 899 00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:20,239 Speaker 6: But back in the day, like anybody, anybody the Celtics. 900 00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,560 Speaker 4: Now it's like, okay, he played for the Celtics too. 901 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:26,520 Speaker 4: You know my two. 902 00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,800 Speaker 3: I don't know who is it, Tom Brady, Odell Beckham 903 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:31,880 Speaker 3: and Tom Brady. 904 00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:33,799 Speaker 4: As far when I say mad, in no disrespect, we 905 00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,239 Speaker 4: got a lot of support in the NFL. I love 906 00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:36,879 Speaker 4: all my guys in the NFL. When I'm just saying, 907 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,320 Speaker 4: as far as recognizable super stopping shutting down Times Square, 908 00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:42,680 Speaker 4: tom Brady might not shut down Times Square. I'm be 909 00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:46,160 Speaker 4: honest with you. He might get they might not recognize. 910 00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,600 Speaker 6: I mean, I think Patrick Mahomes will have a little. 911 00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,200 Speaker 4: Crowd Patrick Mahomes shout. 912 00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,000 Speaker 6: I think I actually think like Juju Jujus ms. 913 00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:56,640 Speaker 4: Schuster, it's gonna be tough for Juju to shut down 914 00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,279 Speaker 4: to Square Games Square. 915 00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:07,080 Speaker 2: Are you man? Yeah, of course Georgio has that game 916 00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:07,560 Speaker 2: in though. 917 00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,279 Speaker 6: He's that game like other other scenes too. 918 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,280 Speaker 4: But I know just exactly. 919 00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,120 Speaker 6: I think that's just a reflection of society. I think 920 00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,600 Speaker 6: it's people because to my point earlier, sports and politics 921 00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:24,000 Speaker 6: are the last live things. That's it. Like I recorded 922 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,319 Speaker 6: the Oscars the other night, Like I don't need to 923 00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,799 Speaker 6: watch that live. You don't have to be in front 924 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:32,960 Speaker 6: of your television to watch really anything doing Netflix, YouTube, 925 00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,520 Speaker 6: Like there's just everything is on demand. So if you 926 00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:37,839 Speaker 6: want to if you want to know what happened, you 927 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,239 Speaker 6: have to watch sports right then and there, Like you're 928 00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,600 Speaker 6: not going to rewatch a game, you know when you 929 00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,200 Speaker 6: already know the outcome to it. You want to know 930 00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,000 Speaker 6: who the president is going to be, you got to 931 00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,400 Speaker 6: watch the presidential coverage to find out what's happening. So 932 00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:54,840 Speaker 6: there's very few things, there's very few content items that 933 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,160 Speaker 6: are live anymore. And sports gambling is about to be 934 00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:02,160 Speaker 6: legal everywhere, so that that's a game changer entirely, Like 935 00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,800 Speaker 6: that's a whole new level of money coming into the industry, 936 00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:11,240 Speaker 6: jobs and eyeballs from people who weren't necessarily gambling before. 937 00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,120 Speaker 6: On sports. Who will start because it's going to be 938 00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:14,880 Speaker 6: very accessible. 939 00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,080 Speaker 4: Let's get let's get into that conversation. 940 00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,680 Speaker 3: Here's something that that with Well, I wanted to because 941 00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:21,919 Speaker 3: we talked about some of the disadvantages that your face. 942 00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,719 Speaker 3: Are there advantages of being a woman in sports? 943 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,560 Speaker 6: Well, I think being a woman is an advantage in 944 00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,960 Speaker 6: all areas of life because I love being a woman. 945 00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,480 Speaker 4: But it's smarter and more productive than men. 946 00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:41,319 Speaker 6: Well, I love I'm not a man. Hey, I love men, 947 00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,239 Speaker 6: but I will say, you know, women, I literally just 948 00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:49,239 Speaker 6: had this conversation conversation yesterday. At least for me, I'm like, 949 00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,120 Speaker 6: I look at things from a different perspective. I played, 950 00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,480 Speaker 6: I ran track in college. I've seen my brother go 951 00:47:56,600 --> 00:48:01,560 Speaker 6: through every level, high school, college, not making you know, 952 00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,479 Speaker 6: not going to college and getting money under the table 953 00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:07,120 Speaker 6: from a big school like going to Akron, and then 954 00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,960 Speaker 6: you know, third round, having to earn a spot on 955 00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,640 Speaker 6: the roster with the Dolphins, then getting traded and getting cut, 956 00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,399 Speaker 6: and then the Hall of Fame. So I look at 957 00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:20,000 Speaker 6: everything from a kind of maybe more personal space than 958 00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:25,520 Speaker 6: the average man who's just reporting on sports, because sometimes 959 00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,799 Speaker 6: we can talk about what's happening in sports from a 960 00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,840 Speaker 6: very callous place. Like it's just like they're just items 961 00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,440 Speaker 6: that are being moved around. So and so got traded, okay, 962 00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:37,640 Speaker 6: Like it's like okay, but when someone gets traded, their 963 00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,600 Speaker 6: whole family has to move. So their wife's got to 964 00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:44,640 Speaker 6: stay behind, pack up the house, go find another place 965 00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,400 Speaker 6: to live and bring their kids, and they got to 966 00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,200 Speaker 6: move there, and like no one's you're getting paid well, right, 967 00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,080 Speaker 6: So it's like a crimea river okay, But that's still 968 00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,120 Speaker 6: a personal element to it, like you still have to 969 00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,080 Speaker 6: find your new way to work, like your routine is 970 00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,520 Speaker 6: completely changed. So there's just like when I talk about sports, 971 00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,799 Speaker 6: when I look at stories, I try to look at 972 00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:06,120 Speaker 6: them from very personal space. And then when we're talking 973 00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:10,160 Speaker 6: about even you know, more serious things in sports, I 974 00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,520 Speaker 6: try to be more measured and not reactive. I think 975 00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:14,880 Speaker 6: the you know, there's this thought that women are like 976 00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:19,000 Speaker 6: hysterical and like we don't we just like freak out 977 00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,280 Speaker 6: that like we're all emotional, but in fact, women don't 978 00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:26,279 Speaker 6: do that, Like we're very calculated and not like in 979 00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,399 Speaker 6: a maniacal way, but like we just have to be 980 00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,359 Speaker 6: because we know the consequences of like doing certain things 981 00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,040 Speaker 6: without thinking. And that's just how we have to like 982 00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,359 Speaker 6: I have to be aware all the time, like even 983 00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,000 Speaker 6: just walking down the street, Like I can't just walk 984 00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:40,640 Speaker 6: down the street and be on my phone like messing 985 00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:42,640 Speaker 6: around whatever, Like I gotta be always paying attention. I 986 00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:44,880 Speaker 6: walk to my car, gotta watch and make sure nobody's around, 987 00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,000 Speaker 6: Like I gotta get my car real quick, shut the door. 988 00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,719 Speaker 6: Like that's just women just are always on operating at 989 00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:53,759 Speaker 6: a higher frequency. Not because we're like smarter than men, 990 00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,239 Speaker 6: but once we have to be like that's that is 991 00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:02,120 Speaker 6: a survival mechanism that we have to have. Yeah, so 992 00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,200 Speaker 6: I think like from that perspective, I look at that 993 00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:10,479 Speaker 6: as an advantage. And then you know men, you guys 994 00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:14,800 Speaker 6: are visual creatures, so it helps visual creatures. 995 00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:16,359 Speaker 4: Although I know, yes, what does that mean? 996 00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,960 Speaker 6: Well, I'm pretty so it helps you know, Okay, Although 997 00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:22,160 Speaker 6: lately everyone's been telling me that, I like, the pandemic 998 00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,480 Speaker 6: didn't do me any favors. But it's fine. 999 00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:30,279 Speaker 2: We didn't say that. No no, we never said that. 1000 00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:31,480 Speaker 4: No no, no no no. 1001 00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:33,600 Speaker 2: But that's that's an issue. 1002 00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,399 Speaker 3: It's too right image self image, Like is that I mean, 1003 00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,440 Speaker 3: do you feel like obviously men and women are not 1004 00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:39,359 Speaker 3: gonna be critiqued the same. 1005 00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,120 Speaker 2: Is that added pressure every day? 1006 00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,120 Speaker 6: Yeah, of course, I mean, and it's not something that 1007 00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,359 Speaker 6: is a requirement. I think a lot of people feel like, oh, 1008 00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,120 Speaker 6: like I have to look a certain way or you know, 1009 00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,799 Speaker 6: I have to be sexy or something to like be 1010 00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,759 Speaker 6: in the business. Like you definitely don't at all, and 1011 00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,359 Speaker 6: in some ways, well I don't want to say it 1012 00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:02,120 Speaker 6: helps not to be, but like, you know, I get 1013 00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,520 Speaker 6: met with like I'm not legitimate because of the way 1014 00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:06,839 Speaker 6: I look, or like I only have my job because 1015 00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:08,400 Speaker 6: of the way I look, which to me, I'm like, 1016 00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,600 Speaker 6: that's just silly. There's whole supermodels, Like there are actual 1017 00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:13,040 Speaker 6: supermodels walking the earth. 1018 00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:15,719 Speaker 2: Doing this. 1019 00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:17,600 Speaker 6: Yeah, like I mean, and this is just I was 1020 00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,560 Speaker 6: an amazing business woman. But like if it was just 1021 00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,480 Speaker 6: about looks, why wouldn't they just hire models to do 1022 00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,960 Speaker 6: my job? Like why what am I up there for 1023 00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,400 Speaker 6: if that's the case. So like it just doesn't make sense. 1024 00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,000 Speaker 6: But you know, it's just there's different elements to it. Yes, 1025 00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,399 Speaker 6: I get critiqued about what I look like every day, 1026 00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,239 Speaker 6: all day every day. If my hair is not looking good, 1027 00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,400 Speaker 6: somebody gonna let me know if I'm looking a little fluffy, 1028 00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,640 Speaker 6: that day, someone gonna let me know if my shoulders 1029 00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:43,080 Speaker 6: are out too much, someone gonna let me know. Like 1030 00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:47,520 Speaker 6: it's it's very much a visual aspect of it as well, 1031 00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:49,919 Speaker 6: and sometimes it benefits you and sometimes it definitely knows 1032 00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:54,480 Speaker 6: not because some people don't take you seriously. I like, thanks, well, 1033 00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,680 Speaker 6: you know it's you. I keep telling calm, like, you 1034 00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,319 Speaker 6: know you're all going on the natural journey with me. 1035 00:51:59,400 --> 00:51:59,960 Speaker 6: Is that what's going? 1036 00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:01,000 Speaker 4: Well? 1037 00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:01,399 Speaker 2: There? 1038 00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:09,040 Speaker 4: You have it? Nothing controversial. 1039 00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,600 Speaker 2: I say it all the time. 1040 00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:16,520 Speaker 4: That is a fact. That is a fact. Let me 1041 00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:20,000 Speaker 4: ask you this. As far as the political conversation, so 1042 00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:23,600 Speaker 4: we see athletes taking a stance with Lebron and d 1043 00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:25,319 Speaker 4: Wade and shout out to all those guys, and it's 1044 00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,200 Speaker 4: you know, always been a big thing Colin Kaepernick, the 1045 00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:32,880 Speaker 4: need NFL. And we see that some sports commentators Jamel 1046 00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:39,160 Speaker 4: Hill went into that realm and she lost her job 1047 00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:42,400 Speaker 4: because of it. Stephen A. Smith said that she shouldn't 1048 00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:44,759 Speaker 4: have said that because she's an employee of ESPN and 1049 00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,520 Speaker 4: you have to conduct yourself a certain way. But I mean, 1050 00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:51,120 Speaker 4: Lebron is a technically and employee of the Lakers, and 1051 00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,080 Speaker 4: he doesn't necessarily have to conduct himself a certain way 1052 00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,799 Speaker 4: by saying something. So do you feel like, what's your 1053 00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:01,520 Speaker 4: stance on that? For sport's commentators, do you feel like 1054 00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:03,360 Speaker 4: they have a voice they should have a voice, or 1055 00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:04,719 Speaker 4: how do you feel about that. 1056 00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:10,480 Speaker 6: I think whatever you're passionate about, you should do so. 1057 00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:12,319 Speaker 6: I don't think you should get involved in things that 1058 00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:16,080 Speaker 6: you don't really have an opinion about just because everyone 1059 00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:19,080 Speaker 6: is talking about it, especially on you know, we're talking 1060 00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:22,480 Speaker 6: about social justice and politics like these are very serious 1061 00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:27,160 Speaker 6: issues that are life and death, you know, the vaccine, 1062 00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,840 Speaker 6: like the these are things that are really affecting people's lives. 1063 00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,000 Speaker 6: And so I think anything that you talk about you 1064 00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:36,319 Speaker 6: should be researched in. And that is something I like 1065 00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:39,359 Speaker 6: very much believe in. I don't I don't go for 1066 00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:43,719 Speaker 6: affirmation news like I believe in real actual research. I'm 1067 00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:45,840 Speaker 6: not going to somewhere that's just gonna tell me like 1068 00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,120 Speaker 6: I feel a certain way. Let me go read this, Okay, 1069 00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:49,760 Speaker 6: Now I feel better because that's what I thought anyway. 1070 00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,360 Speaker 6: All right, Well there's people who don't agree, so what 1071 00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,920 Speaker 6: are they saying? And then come to your own conclusion. 1072 00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,240 Speaker 6: But most people just get their their news off of memes. 1073 00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:01,240 Speaker 6: These days, which is dangerous because that's not that's not news. 1074 00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,759 Speaker 6: That is a sticker. Like you got to figure out 1075 00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,680 Speaker 6: what it is that your opinion about things are. And 1076 00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:11,480 Speaker 6: when you're say in a position like me or Jamel 1077 00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:15,120 Speaker 6: or Shannon or Skip or call On or any of us, 1078 00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:22,320 Speaker 6: we have massive platforms, and I think you have a responsibility, 1079 00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:26,120 Speaker 6: if you believe in that, to talk about it. 1080 00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:30,080 Speaker 4: All right. So you know, I watched these shows and 1081 00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,799 Speaker 4: I feel like a lot of guys have characters that 1082 00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:35,839 Speaker 4: they I don't want to say play, I don't want 1083 00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:37,120 Speaker 4: to like to mean them, but you know, it's like 1084 00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,960 Speaker 4: kind of like acting well. I don't feel like Skip 1085 00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:42,239 Speaker 4: is really that big of a Lebron Haye. I feel 1086 00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,560 Speaker 4: like he's intelligent enough to know Lebron Lebron is the 1087 00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:50,200 Speaker 4: ability got of this situation and stop, don't do that. 1088 00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:51,960 Speaker 2: He's a Micah don't. 1089 00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,160 Speaker 6: Yeah, he does not think that Lebron's definitely. 1090 00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:58,560 Speaker 4: He's a go No, he don't. 1091 00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:02,720 Speaker 6: He only believes in one go. It's not a multi 1092 00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:10,560 Speaker 6: goat multi. That's Michael Jordans. He genuinely believes that. 1093 00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:11,520 Speaker 2: And he wears the Kicks too. 1094 00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:13,440 Speaker 6: He loves Dallas Cowboys. 1095 00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,640 Speaker 4: But I still feel like he's not that big of 1096 00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,160 Speaker 4: a of a hater. He's kind of a hater, let's 1097 00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:25,319 Speaker 4: just be No, that's a fact, Shannon. I'm not necessarily short. 1098 00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:28,320 Speaker 4: If he actually smokes black and mouths and drinks Tennessee, 1099 00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,640 Speaker 4: I don't know. Maybe he does, he does, Maybe he does, 1100 00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:35,760 Speaker 4: Maybe he does it. Barkley even got talking about Barkley, 1101 00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:40,440 Speaker 4: So have you ever do you think that this is 1102 00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,520 Speaker 4: something that you have to do to reach like the 1103 00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:45,120 Speaker 4: highest level of success in that field. And if so, 1104 00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:51,080 Speaker 4: have you ever thought about taking on an alter ego character. 1105 00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:56,160 Speaker 6: No, I don't think that you have to be a 1106 00:55:56,360 --> 00:56:00,319 Speaker 6: character to reach the highest level. I do. You have 1107 00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:04,239 Speaker 6: to be a personality. And I get that fans who 1108 00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,800 Speaker 6: watch the shows, people that watch the show can sometimes 1109 00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,239 Speaker 6: kind of feel like, you know, it's a little over 1110 00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:12,279 Speaker 6: the top or you know, that's not really who they are. 1111 00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:18,120 Speaker 6: But there's also there's some brand recognition that has value 1112 00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:21,560 Speaker 6: in that, like you know, and this happens all the time, 1113 00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,040 Speaker 6: and this wasn't something that Colin manufactured. Like Colin had 1114 00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:27,160 Speaker 6: his opinion about Baker Mayfield before the draft and then 1115 00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:28,759 Speaker 6: Baker and him have gone back and forth on Twitter. 1116 00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:32,440 Speaker 6: Now anytime anything happens with Baker rushed people to come 1117 00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:34,800 Speaker 6: watch the show to see what Colin's gonna say about Baker. 1118 00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,360 Speaker 6: And then like when Colin says something, everybody rushes the 1119 00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:39,480 Speaker 6: Baker to see. So it's like and that wasn't manufactured, 1120 00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:44,320 Speaker 6: that just happened organically, organically, So there is a value 1121 00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:49,800 Speaker 6: in Colin has his opinion about Baker. Colin loves Seahawks 1122 00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:55,040 Speaker 6: and Russell Wilson, like Colin's kind of opinionated about Aaron Rodgers. 1123 00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,920 Speaker 6: He loves Tom Brady, like Skip loves the Cowboys. You 1124 00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:59,960 Speaker 6: know he's gonna be talking about the Cowboys, you cowboys fan, 1125 00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:01,919 Speaker 6: or if you hate the Cowboys, you know you're gonna 1126 00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:03,120 Speaker 6: want to hear what he has to say about that. 1127 00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:05,000 Speaker 6: Shannon loves Lebron. You know he's gonna come in with 1128 00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,440 Speaker 6: his goat mask the day after he you know, has 1129 00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,800 Speaker 6: a big game. So there's it's not so much about 1130 00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,520 Speaker 6: characters in the sense of like WWE or something like that, 1131 00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:15,160 Speaker 6: where like you're constantly living your life as this alter ego. 1132 00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,400 Speaker 6: It's more about a brand. So for me, like I 1133 00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:21,880 Speaker 6: don't I've never really I don't like can't I can't 1134 00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:23,680 Speaker 6: play a character. I can't. I don't have the like 1135 00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:27,440 Speaker 6: the function of being consistently fake, so it would just 1136 00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:29,640 Speaker 6: would not work, like I can't, I don't. I don't 1137 00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,480 Speaker 6: operate well in that space, so I would forget. I'd 1138 00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,160 Speaker 6: be like what did I say yesterday? So I'm just 1139 00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:38,640 Speaker 6: kind of me, but I have you have to dial 1140 00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:41,040 Speaker 6: up certain things like the camera, as you guys know, 1141 00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,920 Speaker 6: because you do this, the camera sucks a little energy 1142 00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:45,800 Speaker 6: out of out of who you are and what you 1143 00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:47,360 Speaker 6: do and what you say. Like if you you can 1144 00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,440 Speaker 6: tell when somebody hasn't been on camera, they're like and 1145 00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,480 Speaker 6: they think they're like talking normal, but you're like, bro, 1146 00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:55,000 Speaker 6: you gotta lift it up a little bit, you know. 1147 00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,600 Speaker 6: So there is some of that to it, you know, 1148 00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:01,240 Speaker 6: us a television show. So there I'm not gonna sit 1149 00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:02,800 Speaker 6: here and say, like you don't turn it up a 1150 00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:04,680 Speaker 6: little bit when lights come on, you have to or 1151 00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:06,919 Speaker 6: it's gonna look like you don't even want to be there. 1152 00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:11,360 Speaker 6: But there's you know, there's elements to it. Like there's 1153 00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:14,360 Speaker 6: been times I've told I've been told to like dial 1154 00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,680 Speaker 6: it back and be like less of myself. 1155 00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:17,320 Speaker 4: Less of yourself. 1156 00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:19,520 Speaker 6: Yeah, like I'd like to say you can just be 1157 00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:22,960 Speaker 6: yourself all the time, but it doesn't you know, it 1158 00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:24,320 Speaker 6: doesn't always work out like that. 1159 00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:26,360 Speaker 4: When somebody told you to be less of yourself? What 1160 00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:27,320 Speaker 4: did you what did you say? 1161 00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:29,040 Speaker 6: I mean, I was mad about it. I'm gonna put 1162 00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:31,680 Speaker 6: it in a book one day. But because for me, 1163 00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:36,720 Speaker 6: I felt like, you know, it was more of like 1164 00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:39,080 Speaker 6: you need to fit in that, you need to play 1165 00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:42,680 Speaker 6: this role and like fit into this box, like you 1166 00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:46,400 Speaker 6: need to kind of pretend to be a square. And 1167 00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:48,560 Speaker 6: I'm like, okay, like I'm going to do that, but 1168 00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:50,640 Speaker 6: there better be some benefits to me being a square. 1169 00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:53,040 Speaker 6: And then it turned out there weren't any benefits to 1170 00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,680 Speaker 6: me being a square, and I'm like, hold up, was 1171 00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:58,400 Speaker 6: like that isn't even who I am. And now it's 1172 00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,760 Speaker 6: kind of like people were people looking at me funny, 1173 00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:06,720 Speaker 6: hold like I'm the only real in this place, like here, 1174 00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:13,400 Speaker 6: what is happening? So you know I was it was 1175 00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,600 Speaker 6: not It didn't sit well with me, but you know 1176 00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:20,360 Speaker 6: it's you work for coporate companies sometimes, you know, especially 1177 00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,240 Speaker 6: as women, they don't want you to really be like 1178 00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:27,560 Speaker 6: edgy or out there, and whereas the men it's like, 1179 00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:31,160 Speaker 6: man like, do whatever you want you know, there's there's 1180 00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:33,600 Speaker 6: an expectation that you're supposed to like behave a certain way, 1181 00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:36,640 Speaker 6: and like, now I'm at the point, partly because I'm 1182 00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:38,920 Speaker 6: at a point in my career where I feel like 1183 00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:46,440 Speaker 6: I can do it. I guess we'll find out I 1184 00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:49,680 Speaker 6: can't handlenes. Once in college and I was like, this 1185 00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:51,960 Speaker 6: is not this is not my liquor, Hennessy and rum. 1186 00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:57,720 Speaker 6: We're going to stay away from those. But now I'm like, 1187 00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:01,400 Speaker 6: you know what I'm not. I'm gonna do me like, 1188 01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,240 Speaker 6: I'm gonna be as authentic to me whatever it is. 1189 01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:07,439 Speaker 6: People like it if they don't like it. I feel 1190 01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:10,560 Speaker 6: a responsibility to, like the next generation of women coming 1191 01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,360 Speaker 6: up in this business, to not encourage them to like 1192 01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:17,240 Speaker 6: compromise really what they want who they are to fit 1193 01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:20,360 Speaker 6: into a box, because the more we go into the box, 1194 01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,320 Speaker 6: the more they want that box to exist. 1195 01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:26,560 Speaker 3: So being authentically you, I'm glad you said that because 1196 01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:29,160 Speaker 3: earlier you said if I try to venture out, they 1197 01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:31,440 Speaker 3: might think, oh, I don't really love sports. Everybody at 1198 01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:34,240 Speaker 3: this point you know that you love sports. Do you 1199 01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:36,680 Speaker 3: see yourself venturing into other industries? You said you hosted 1200 01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:39,880 Speaker 3: the Oscars this past week, are the other things that 1201 01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:41,120 Speaker 3: you want to explore. 1202 01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:47,040 Speaker 6: No, I did not host segment watch I love the 1203 01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:53,360 Speaker 6: host Oscar. The Oscars need a host. No, I mean, 1204 01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:57,120 Speaker 6: I definitely I love entertainment. I love culture. As part 1205 01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:59,080 Speaker 6: of the you know, our podcast, so we talk about 1206 01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:01,880 Speaker 6: movies and shows, watching what's going on in social media 1207 01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:05,720 Speaker 6: and music. So you know, I have lots of other interests, 1208 01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:08,840 Speaker 6: just like everybody else. I would. I'm not like on 1209 01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:11,800 Speaker 6: Skip's level. You know, Skip really just watched the sports 1210 01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:15,200 Speaker 6: all day long, like that's that's it. Like maybe one 1211 01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:17,640 Speaker 6: episode of Jeopardy with Ernestein, but like he is a 1212 01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:23,080 Speaker 6: literal like sports addict, like that's his whole life and 1213 01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:25,680 Speaker 6: it shows him what he does. But you know, I 1214 01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:28,480 Speaker 6: really just want to be able to get to a 1215 01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:31,360 Speaker 6: space where I can talk about what it is that 1216 01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:34,520 Speaker 6: moves me. So obviously sports is always going to be 1217 01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:36,360 Speaker 6: a part of my life and what I do for 1218 01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:40,840 Speaker 6: a living. But I feel like I'm the at my 1219 01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:43,960 Speaker 6: best when it's whatever comes naturally, Like if we're talking 1220 01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:46,200 Speaker 6: about you know, Falcon in the winter Soldier and the 1221 01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:49,240 Speaker 6: next we're talking about the draft tomorrow. Like sports and 1222 01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:53,280 Speaker 6: culture have such a connection anyway, And now we're seeing 1223 01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:56,280 Speaker 6: it even more. I think because of social media and 1224 01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:59,880 Speaker 6: athletes being involved in different things that that's that's where 1225 01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:01,880 Speaker 6: you know, eventually I want to I want to get 1226 01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:03,960 Speaker 6: to but yeah, I definitely have other interests outside of 1227 01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:04,520 Speaker 6: sports too. 1228 01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:07,720 Speaker 4: One last question before we wrap the sports gambling situation. 1229 01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:11,360 Speaker 4: You had mentioned it earlier. Yeah, it is coming. It's 1230 01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:14,280 Speaker 4: not it can't be stopped. Uh, the raids are in 1231 01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:16,720 Speaker 4: Vegas now, and this is something that has always been 1232 01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:20,280 Speaker 4: an issue for sports Pete Rose, he was, you know, 1233 01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:24,520 Speaker 4: still they got they got to make that right at 1234 01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:29,280 Speaker 4: some point. Free please, So how do you feel about 1235 01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:34,000 Speaker 4: sports gambling? How will it affect the sports industry, the 1236 01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:37,320 Speaker 4: sports world, players, all of that, because it seems like 1237 01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:41,120 Speaker 4: sports leagues are still scared of it, but they're embracing 1238 01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:44,040 Speaker 4: it because it's just kind of it's going to happen regardless. 1239 01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:45,120 Speaker 2: So like it or not. 1240 01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:48,120 Speaker 6: Well, yeah, I mean it's it's it's legal federally now. 1241 01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:50,439 Speaker 6: So it's just it's moving state by state how they're 1242 01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:53,640 Speaker 6: going to regulate it and make it accessible to people, 1243 01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:57,120 Speaker 6: but it's it's going to be legal everywhere eventually in 1244 01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:59,520 Speaker 6: the next couple of years. I think about half the 1245 01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:03,520 Speaker 6: states now have already legalized it, so yeah, I mean 1246 01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:06,640 Speaker 6: it's a it's a major game changer. I mean, I 1247 01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:08,880 Speaker 6: don't know about you guys, but like, I definitely gamble 1248 01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:09,400 Speaker 6: on sports. 1249 01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:14,120 Speaker 4: He's I don't, but he's one of these FanDuel I was. 1250 01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:16,960 Speaker 3: I was, I got too addicted and I realized it 1251 01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,320 Speaker 3: was too much and there's no disrespect. The moment it 1252 01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:21,400 Speaker 3: hit me was I think it was like mid May 1253 01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:23,600 Speaker 3: and there was like two playoff games. 1254 01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:25,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet on those already, and then. 1255 01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:28,080 Speaker 3: I started picking like the WS and I was like, 1256 01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:30,480 Speaker 3: I never even watched the WM. I'm just picking players. 1257 01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:31,200 Speaker 6: You're just doing it a game. 1258 01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:33,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just doing responsible. 1259 01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:36,520 Speaker 6: If you have a problem, contact somebody for real. 1260 01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:37,240 Speaker 4: For real. 1261 01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:41,080 Speaker 6: I don't want people out here betting their mortgages, losing 1262 01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:45,520 Speaker 6: their families. It was a good decision by you. 1263 01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:46,360 Speaker 4: Thank you. 1264 01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:49,840 Speaker 6: No be responsible, but yes, like that, And that's part 1265 01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:53,880 Speaker 6: of that is why leagues have been so resistant to 1266 01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:56,640 Speaker 6: because it hasn't really been It's not legal, you know, 1267 01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:59,440 Speaker 6: so how do you lean into it When it's not legal? 1268 01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:01,880 Speaker 6: You can be you know, influencing people to go to 1269 01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:02,800 Speaker 6: bookies and stuff. 1270 01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:04,680 Speaker 2: It's funny though, because it's not. 1271 01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:07,680 Speaker 3: It wasn't legal, but every game you watch on the 1272 01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:11,280 Speaker 3: ticker it's DraftKings or it's fan duel, and it's put everywhere. 1273 01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:15,480 Speaker 6: Well recently now yes, so recently yes, but for years 1274 01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:17,880 Speaker 6: and years, Yeah, they didn't want and they didn't want 1275 01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:21,280 Speaker 6: you know players. How Al would be notorious for that 1276 01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:25,240 Speaker 6: Musburger talking about the you know, the spread and you know, 1277 01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:27,200 Speaker 6: we know it was gonna be a lot of people 1278 01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:29,120 Speaker 6: happy if this field goal goes in, like you know, 1279 01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:32,560 Speaker 6: they're always kind of under the tone about it. Yeah, 1280 01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:35,920 Speaker 6: but it's just something. It's the future, and it's gonna 1281 01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:39,240 Speaker 6: be everywhere, and it brings in a ton of money 1282 01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:42,360 Speaker 6: into the business. It's great for the business. It just 1283 01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:46,120 Speaker 6: means more jobs, more content. As far as the players go, 1284 01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:47,760 Speaker 6: it doesn't really change anything for the players because players 1285 01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:50,520 Speaker 6: have never been able to gamble on sports, so it's 1286 01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:52,960 Speaker 6: not it's never been legal for players to gamble even 1287 01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:53,560 Speaker 6: on other sports. 1288 01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:56,920 Speaker 4: But no, Floyd gamble's on his fights. He's done that before. 1289 01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:01,520 Speaker 6: Well, boxing is a little different. They're they're in their 1290 01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:04,320 Speaker 6: own category. If you were, if you're working with the league. 1291 01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:08,520 Speaker 6: You can't gamble on sports like publicly, like you know, 1292 01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:11,919 Speaker 6: I mean maybe you do some you know, on the low, 1293 01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:14,240 Speaker 6: but you can't. You're not supposed to do that. And 1294 01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:17,440 Speaker 6: Pete Rose is a unique situation because he was throwing 1295 01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:20,160 Speaker 6: his own games, like he was involved in his own games, Like, 1296 01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:23,720 Speaker 6: you definitely can't do that unless it's Blue Chips. 1297 01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:29,320 Speaker 2: Blue Chips. That was a great movie. Shock. Yeah, the type, 1298 01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:32,520 Speaker 2: the type what did you do? 1299 01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:37,720 Speaker 6: It's not gonna be that. It's it's definitely the future though, 1300 01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:40,000 Speaker 6: Like to your point, the Raiders are in Vegas now 1301 01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:42,520 Speaker 6: and that was a big deal because they were like, 1302 01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:44,840 Speaker 6: you can never put a team in Vegas because you know, 1303 01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:48,160 Speaker 6: players are gonna gamble like players gamble on like Pars 1304 01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:51,760 Speaker 6: to Vegas time. But as far as gambling on sports, like, 1305 01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:54,800 Speaker 6: it's not it's no more uh to me, it's no 1306 01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:57,640 Speaker 6: more temptation, Like you could gamble on sports anywhere. You were, 1307 01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:00,480 Speaker 6: so like, why is Vegas gonna be more to influence 1308 01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:02,400 Speaker 6: to gamble on sports? Because there's sports books there, like 1309 01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:04,120 Speaker 6: and you're going to see a player walking into a 1310 01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:06,320 Speaker 6: sportsbook and putting a bet down, Like that's not somebody 1311 01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:07,760 Speaker 6: you che have on your team. It's not very smart. 1312 01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:12,200 Speaker 6: So it's a great thing for the industry. It's definitely 1313 01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:13,840 Speaker 6: a game changer. It's gonna bring in a lot of money. 1314 01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:16,240 Speaker 3: We said that, especially with the pandemic hit in a 1315 01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:18,440 Speaker 3: lot of these states, they have to raise revenue. 1316 01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:19,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a couple of ways. 1317 01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:21,520 Speaker 3: You can raise taxes, which is going to be tough 1318 01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:23,920 Speaker 3: because youve got to vote, or you could legal sports. 1319 01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:26,240 Speaker 6: And people were gambling on sports anyway. Like obviously it's 1320 01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:28,840 Speaker 6: going to give more people access to gamble on sports. 1321 01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:31,960 Speaker 6: But it's not like this is new, like they're just 1322 01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:36,040 Speaker 6: inventing gambling on sports. Like we were putting money on 1323 01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:39,040 Speaker 6: games for many, many, many, many many years. It's just 1324 01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:41,600 Speaker 6: then now it's digital, so it's going to be more accessible. 1325 01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:43,880 Speaker 6: They're going to be more sports books and more casinos, 1326 01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:46,520 Speaker 6: so that's going to change things. But overall, it's going 1327 01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:48,960 Speaker 6: to be good for good for the leagues, and it's 1328 01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:50,960 Speaker 6: going to be good for the business, for our business, 1329 01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:53,280 Speaker 6: for the content business, because there's just going to be 1330 01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:54,360 Speaker 6: so much more money coming in. 1331 01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:57,000 Speaker 3: I think there's a few shows that are about to 1332 01:06:57,040 --> 01:06:59,080 Speaker 3: be launched just on base. 1333 01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:03,760 Speaker 6: Trackings and Levatar fifty million, yes yesterday. It's it's a 1334 01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:06,040 Speaker 6: it's a big, big deal for the business. 1335 01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:10,000 Speaker 4: There you have it, ladies and gentlemen. So Joey, I 1336 01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:13,320 Speaker 4: appreciate you coming on. 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