1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back in our number two Wednesday edition, 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging 4 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:12,479 Speaker 1: out with us. We want to give you a heads up. 5 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: By the way, we're gonna be joined by Bridge Colby 6 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 1: to talk the latest in Ukraine at the bottom of 7 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:19,799 Speaker 1: this hour, final hour of the program. That is next 8 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: now we'll be joined by Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin 9 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: to talk a variety of different issues that are continuing 10 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: to be afoot in this country. But I want to 11 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: start off right now with the latest numbers from what 12 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 1: has turned into one of the tightest races that we 13 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: will probably see throughout primary season, and one of the 14 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: tightest races you can see period when it comes to elections, 15 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 1: and that is the Republican Senate primary. We had all 16 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: three of the top contenders, Doctor Oz, Dave McCormick, and 17 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: Kathy Barnett on with us yesterday to make their closing 18 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: arguments to you. But when you actually look at these numbers, 19 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: Kathy Barnett really impressive nearly twenty five percent of the vote. 20 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: But Doctor Oz, right now and live math is always 21 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: a challenge for me on the radio, but I believe 22 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: there's right at twenty four hundred votes. Doctor Oz is 23 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: in front at thirty one point three percent of the 24 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,960 Speaker 1: overall vote, Dave McCormick in second place at thirty one 25 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: point one percent of the vote. There will be a recount. 26 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: There are still it appears, tens of thousands potentially of 27 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: ballots outstanding, but those two candidates are now separated by 28 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: as little it appears as twenty four hundred votes point 29 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: two percent of the election. And Buck, you said to 30 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: start the show that you had heard it may end 31 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: up coming down to potentially a differential of a hundred 32 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: or less votes before all is said and done. That's 33 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: what some are projecting, just be based on the way 34 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: that the mail in ballots they're remaining precincts the hand count, 35 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,559 Speaker 1: which is it's a reminder, Clay, we had, as you said, 36 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: all three of the top three can did the only 37 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: three that had any real chance of winning. Yesterday. We 38 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: had them all to make their final arguments and we said, 39 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: you know, we've got those. We've got robust audience in 40 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: the state of Pennsylvania that just the listeners to this show, 41 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: if going one way or the other, could be the difference. 42 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, the listeners of the show and the 43 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: aggregate could be a whole lot more than just the 44 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: difference in just that state of Pennsylvania I'm talking about. 45 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: You know, there's we're talking about thousands and thousands and 46 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: thousands of folks. And it just goes to show you 47 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: this is why we wanted people to be able to hear. 48 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: And we weren't putting our thumbs on the scale either 49 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: way because it was gonna be a fight to the finish, 50 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: and this is now a photo finish and they're gonna 51 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: have to take this one up to the refs in 52 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: the booth or I don't know, you know what they 53 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: do wherever they go at racing place. Yeah, and by 54 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: the way, update on the earlier story, I don't know 55 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: that Nina Jenkoitz the Ministry of Truth the Soviet Mary Poppins, 56 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: as you have nicknamed her credit, she has officially resigned 57 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 1: as the Department of Truth as the disinformations are that 58 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: had existed for the Biden administration. So that has not 59 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 1: even lasted as long as CNN plus. So that is 60 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,799 Speaker 1: a positive news again, we're continuing to stack dubs here. 61 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 1: But Buck, I wanted to hit you with this because 62 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: you I tweeted this out last night and then you 63 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: also saw it and we were texting about it this morning, 64 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 1: and so COVID's not going away. And let me give 65 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: you an example. I was looking at the Drudge Report 66 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: this morning and they have kind of the tally last 67 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: year's COVID numbers this year's COVID numbers. And we know 68 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: a lot of people are testing at home, a lot 69 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: of people are not even getting tested. But right now 70 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: there are four times as many COVID cases in the 71 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: United States on May the seventeenth or whatever day they 72 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: were counting there as there were last year. And remember 73 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: last year at this time, Buck, the idea was, Hey, 74 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: COVID's over. Everybody, go get your COVID shot. You'll never 75 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: get it, you'll never spread it. This is the end 76 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: of COVID. It's never going to it's never going to 77 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: be an issue anymore. Well, this is what's becoming intriguing, 78 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: and I'm just I want to share the data and 79 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: I want to get what your hypothesis could be on 80 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: this data. Again, the data is real. A lot of 81 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 1: people are not talking about this yet. But if you look, 82 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 1: and this is from Tyler Krditis who put this together. 83 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: He's the CEO of Blaze Media, according to according to 84 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: his bio, Tyler I used to work at the Blaze. Son. 85 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: You can vouch for Tyler being a good dude, all right. 86 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: So what he tweeted out was the top three states 87 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: for vaccination coverage are also right now, the top three 88 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: states for infections. Eight of the top ten states for 89 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: the COVID vaccine are in the top ten for infections. 90 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: Seven of the top ten for vaccinations are in the 91 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: top ten for hospitalizations. And then he says, it's a 92 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 1: bit odd, And it is a bit odd. So we 93 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 1: were told for a year, now get your COVID shot 94 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: and you are going to You're gonna be fine. Now 95 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: we talked about yesterday, Buck, the data is starting to 96 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: reflect that even if you got the double COVID shots, 97 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: you might still die with COVID. This is getting difficult 98 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: to explain how all of the most vaccinated places are 99 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: now starting to set hospitalization records in the country, and 100 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 1: how they are setting case records as well. New cases. 101 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 1: What do you think's going on here? New cases topping 102 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: an average daily average of one hundred thousand in the 103 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: country right now up sixty one, which is by the way, 104 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: also when you look at the data reflecting a particular 105 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 1: hot spot of New York and New York City more 106 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: and in fact, they're talking about bringing back restrictions to 107 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: New York City because we've been tech thing about that, 108 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: because you obviously do the show along with many other 109 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: people on the Clay and Buck program from inside of Manhattan, 110 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 1: and I'm wondering I'm just gonna be up there next month, 111 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: whether I'm even gonna be able to come before all 112 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: of a sudden, I mean, twenty coronavirus hospitalizations are over 113 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 1: twenty thousand nationwide according to CDC data. I do have 114 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: to wonder at what point people are going to start 115 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,679 Speaker 1: to realize that the whole the program, the whole notion 116 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 1: of the science, and we know what to do and 117 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: we know how to stop this, and when when are 118 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 1: we going to have people finally recognize that it was 119 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: essentially an abject failure put it. Put it this way, 120 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: we have fluci's in year in and year out. As 121 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: you know, the flu shot tends to be somewhere in 122 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 1: like the forty to sixty percent efficacy range ye, depending 123 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: on the year, right, because it's different flu strain every year. 124 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: What we see is the fast mutation of COVID the 125 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 1: same way there's annual and rapid mutation of influenza viruses. 126 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 1: COVID is a fast mutating virus too, so it's different 127 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: from measles. We kept talking about this because remember they 128 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: shouted at everybody, what about your kid getting the measles 129 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: shots or measles most rebella, Well, that's a one time 130 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: and it works really well. It's not every six months 131 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: or every few months for the rest of your life shot. Okay, 132 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: So that was a horrifically stupid comparison that the media 133 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: used to just club everybody into silence and submission. We 134 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: know that the flu. The approach we out of the 135 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: flu is seniors who are at greater risk and also 136 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: people with compromise immune systems, etc. Are recommended to get 137 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: the flu shot, and it's not a guarantee you're not 138 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: going to get really sick and or die for flu, 139 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: but it tends it tends to be helpful depending on 140 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: the year. That's all. Actually, what we've seen is that 141 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: that should have been the approach to COVID. I mean, 142 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: you know it put aside the first few months when 143 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: everybody was panicking. By the summer of twenty twenty, we 144 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: should have realized we treat this like the flu, meaning 145 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: you get shots, older people, get the resources, get them 146 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: help people who are at high risk. But all the 147 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: rest of this stopped the clay. The program we were 148 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: put through was stopped the spread. Yep. That's that became 149 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: a phrase that people who don't stop the spread at all, 150 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: I mean an even who thinks that's out of their minds. 151 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: I've had COVID twice. I'm probably gonna get it a 152 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: third time. That's here's what I thought was interesting. Buck. Yesterday, 153 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: I'm reading the New York Times. I read the New 154 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: York Times, Wall Street journals. Still get the print thing 155 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: because I'm an old man. Front page story New York 156 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: Times yesterday. COVID's never going away, and everybody's going to 157 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: be getting it multiple times. Yes, that's the story right 158 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: on the front page of New York Times. If you 159 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: said that last year, you got barred from Twitter, as 160 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: our friend Alex Berenson did. And now I think I 161 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: think there is a strong argument to be made again. 162 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: This is what science does. You look at the data 163 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,079 Speaker 1: and you try to construct hypotheses for what's going on. 164 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: That people who are getting the COVID shot are more 165 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: likely to get COVID. That's what the data is showing us. Now. 166 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: Maybe it's spreading more in the Northeast in the Midwest 167 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: right now, and it's a geographic thing, but the places 168 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: that are the most vaccinated are posting the highest rates 169 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 1: of hospitalization and the highest rates of cases. There are 170 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: other theories, other hypotheses you could toss out there. You 171 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,199 Speaker 1: could say, hey, people are more fearful in the northeast 172 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,959 Speaker 1: of COVID, so they test more, so there's more knowledge 173 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: of positive tests. The hospitalization data would cut against that. 174 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:38,199 Speaker 1: You could say, right now, it's geographic in nature that 175 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: COVID tends to be in the Midwest and the Northeast 176 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: more so this time of year. We'll see if it 177 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: surges again in the South as it gets hot and 178 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: everybody moves inside, which has been one of the trend 179 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: lines that we have seen. Florida, for instance, in June 180 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 1: and July tends to go up and then decline as 181 00:09:56,600 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: the temperature declines. All over the South but I think 182 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: there are arguments to be made now, and I think 183 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: intelligent media would be asking these questions, what sort of 184 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: actual protection are we getting from COVID shots and is 185 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: it making people more susceptible to testing positive for COVID? 186 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: You know, one of the one of the great mistakes 187 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 1: of the entire COVID pandemic era was that they effectively 188 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 1: the science trademark right the science through Fauciism and the 189 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: politicization of the Democrat Party. The Democrat Party deciding that 190 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 1: they embody this notion of the science. They made it 191 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: impossible too. They would they would call conspiracy theory, but 192 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: they made it impossible to hypothesize. And anybody who understands 193 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: the actual history of science would say, We'll hold on 194 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: a second. You should you have. The only way we 195 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: find answers and progress to things we don't know is 196 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 1: some people can say, here's a possibility, Yes, prove this 197 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: wrong or prove this right. Here's a possibility. What do 198 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 1: we think here's a possibility? Officially through government mandate under 199 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: the Biden administration, through social media censorship, through efforts to 200 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: cancel DP platform. Some are even talking about throwing people 201 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: in jail for a COVID disinformation about this even if 202 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: you were putting forward a hypothesis, I am concerned that 203 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: this data could mean the following. What do you think 204 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: that was shut down? So they didn't just go against 205 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: the science in terms of putting forward and acceptable you know, 206 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: the only acceptable narrative if you put forward not a 207 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: counter narrative, but a question that raised the possibility of 208 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:46,839 Speaker 1: a different approach, that became disinformation in the realm of health, 209 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: which therefore was an imminent threat to safety and to 210 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: the lives of people. YadA, YadA, YadA. Shut it down, 211 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: Shut it down, And here we are. What is the explanation? 212 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: How is it that Fauci is not being asked? New 213 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: York is probably the most heavily vaccinated major state in 214 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: the country. And did I mean draconian activities? You couldn't 215 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: go to McDonald's unless you had a vaccine card, right, 216 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: You couldn't do hardly anything in New York. How that's 217 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: the number one question that every media member should be 218 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,079 Speaker 1: asking doctor Fauci, explain these numbers that we're seeing right now? Yeah, 219 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: Because if the answer is it's because the virus mutates 220 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: rapidly and we have to get more people boosters. Well, 221 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: then that becomes what some of us have been warning 222 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: about for a year now, which is so now it's chase. 223 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: The virus with boosters at infinitum goes on forever. There 224 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: is no end to this. This is keep getting boosted, 225 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 1: keep getting boosted, keep getting boosted. I was always concerned 226 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 1: when I got that little vaccine passport. A lot of 227 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: slots on there, Clay, Yep, a lot. It wasn't It 228 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: wasn't a one and done. It wasn't like you got 229 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 1: this thing stamped and you were finished. There are all 230 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: these other slots on. He say, hold on a second, 231 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: Well what am I going to fill in these other slots? 232 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: Well we all know now, right, So I do hope 233 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: that people recognize that the only way to show your displeasure, 234 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:03,839 Speaker 1: and that's a gentle word for it, I mean I 235 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: would say your fury. I mean, I'm still furious at 236 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: people over this, the people who push this, is to 237 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: just destroy them in the ballot. You have to take 238 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: away their power because they won't admit that they're wrong 239 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: about this COVID stuff. They will not admit it. I 240 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 1: would just ask you this as we go into the 241 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:24,359 Speaker 1: break to think about. Imagine Donald Trump is president. Everything 242 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: else is the exact same with COVID and with the 243 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 1: COVID shots. How would the Washington Post, The New York Times, MSNBC, 244 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: and CNN be covering COVID cases continuing to rise even 245 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: after all of these COVID shots. Would they be asking 246 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: questions about the efficacy of the vaccine if Trump were 247 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: still in office, One hundred percent they would because they 248 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: would be blaming him for everything. Yet Biden's in office 249 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 1: and you're seeing almost no one ask these questions. Why 250 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: are these numbers? Remember the unvaccinated is a why that's 251 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 1: not true anymore. That was what the narrative was that 252 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: the Biden administration tried to spend. Remember the Winner of Death, 253 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: where if you didn't get your COVID shot you were 254 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 1: going to die. Well, congrats, if you're listening to us 255 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 1: right now, you survived. 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I do appreciate all 292 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: the nice folks who write in saying it that I'm 293 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: a trooper and I'm staying in it to win it. 294 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: Even are cold, summer cold. We're not quite to summer yet. 295 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: But when it's warm outside and you have a cold, 296 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: it's way warm, you're just kidding yourself so much. Yeah, 297 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: because it's freezing outside, You're like, I don't even want 298 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: to be outside. I'll just staying and drink my chicken 299 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: noodle soup. I feel like the kid who's stuck inside 300 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: with all the rest of the kids are out on 301 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: the playground. You know, it's not fun. But speaking of 302 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: not fun. This is not a great transition. A recession 303 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: is not fun. That's not good, and they're talking about 304 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: it more and more, and I think it's coming. Here's 305 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 1: FED chair Jerome Powell on what's up next. A lot 306 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: of people, though, are skeptical that you can get inflation 307 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: down to your two percent goal without a reception. What 308 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: do you know that they don't I don't know anything 309 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: that they don't. I mean, I would say it's there's 310 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: no disagreement here. Really, it is a going to be 311 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: a challenging task, and it's been made more challenging in 312 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 1: the last couple of months. Yeah, a challenging task. That 313 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: is that is FED bureaucrat speak for probably going to 314 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 1: have to hit a recession here. And we'll find out soon. 315 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: I mean, no, I we'll find out in just a 316 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 1: matter of weeks if we're technically in a recession. I 317 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: guess they'd have to be the end of the second quarter. 318 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: Then they'd have to do that. Maybe what would July. 319 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: I guess we find out it's not that far off. 320 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: And Clay, that's a tough one to sell us gas 321 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: over four dollars a gallon in every state now, A 322 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: recession a wide open border, high crime war in Europe. 323 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: It's not good. Baby formula not on the shelves. I mean, 324 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 1: you can't even come up with if you were doing 325 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 1: a mad libs version of how awful things were going 326 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: to be in Joe Biden's America, would you have ever 327 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 1: believed there wouldn't be baby formula on the shelves. You 328 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: couldn't even even come up with something that ridiculous. 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We roll through the 349 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: Wednesday edition of the program. We're joined now by Elbridge Colby, 350 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: co founder and principle of the Marathon Initiative, formerly US 351 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: Assistant Deputy Secretary of Defense for Strategy and Force Deployment. 352 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: He has a book out It is called The Strategy 353 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: of Denial American Defense in an Age of Great Power Conflict. 354 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 1: And I believe Bridge that you are also in Hawaii 355 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: right now, So I think it's like seven thirty or 356 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: so in the morning out there. Hopefully you're having your coffee, 357 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 1: hopefully it's black Rifle coffee, and you are hanging out 358 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,479 Speaker 1: with us as you start your morning out there. So 359 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 1: appreciate you doing that, especially on vacation out in Hawaii. 360 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 1: What's the latest so far as you can update us 361 00:19:56,119 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: on the situation on the ground in Ukraine where we headed. Great, well, 362 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 1: great to be with you, Clay and Buck, And actually 363 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: I'm here in Hawaii on work, so don't be too jealous, 364 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: but it's always a pleasure to be with you guys. 365 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,479 Speaker 1: I mean the situation in Ukraine. I think it's clearly 366 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 1: the Russians have failed in their kind of main advance 367 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: towards Kiev, and now they looks like they've been pushed 368 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 1: out of some of the areas in the northeast as well. 369 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 1: They're concentrating in the southeast and the south. Seems like 370 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: it's hard to tell. Seems like they have made some 371 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 1: games that they now seem to have consolidated control over 372 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 1: the city of Mariopol, but they're having it does seem 373 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 1: they're having a limited success. I think the biggest issue 374 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 1: right now that I've been concerned about is, you know, 375 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: it's it's fantastic that the Ukrainians are being successful, but 376 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 1: you know, there's increasing warnings, including from our own intelligence community, 377 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 1: that we may be running up into the possibility of 378 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: Russian escalation, and that is something that we need to 379 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: take seriously. Obviously doesn't mean just cowtowing to him, but 380 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: it is. You know, the guy's got five thousand nuclear 381 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: weapons and we have very little we can do to 382 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: stop him, So we have to take that seriously. What 383 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: do you think about the joining of Finland and Sweden 384 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,679 Speaker 1: to NATO? And you know, this seems to be in 385 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 1: process right now on the point about possible escalation from Russia? 386 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: Who put aside all the usual caveats, Putin's a very 387 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: bad guy. What he's doing is wrong and horrible and 388 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:23,199 Speaker 1: all that. Of course, yes true, he at least for 389 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: a big, a big part of his belief in why 390 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 1: this invasion was something that benefited his national security interests 391 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: in Russia had to do with the expansion of NATO. Right, 392 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,679 Speaker 1: That was the big That was the big point of 393 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 1: friction stretching back for a long time. So this is 394 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: this the right move for Sweden and Finland? Does this 395 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 1: risk escalation? What do you think we look? First of all, 396 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: I think I think very highly of Finland and Sweden. 397 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 1: It's not about them, But I'm thinking about this from 398 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: the American people's interests, and I think this requires very careful, 399 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: deliberate review and a spirit of kind of cost benefit. 400 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 1: NATO is not a charity, it's not a political organization. 401 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 1: It's a military alliance. And at the end of the day, 402 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 1: it's more or less, you know, primarily underwritten by Americans, 403 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: and that's yeah, the people in the Beltway, but ultimately 404 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: the people in the military and their families are in 405 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: you know, our country as a whole. So it should 406 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 1: make sense from a security perspective, from our self interests 407 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 1: you know broadly can see, but it should make sense. 408 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 1: And I don't see a lot of that happening yet. 409 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 1: I do think it's going to be very important for 410 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,959 Speaker 1: our Congress to look at it in that spirit. I mean, 411 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: I would just say, as a bottom line, adding Sweden 412 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:33,640 Speaker 1: and Finland to NATO should increase rather than decrease, our security, 413 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: and it should enable us to focus on what now 414 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: the by administrations follow the Trump administration is set as 415 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,640 Speaker 1: our priority, which is China and Asia. I'm out here, 416 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: I'm at a conference out here, and it's a very 417 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: serious situation. I think those those questions can be answered. 418 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 1: There are a couple of opportunities. There's a big NATO 419 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 1: summit coming up. The Europeans can spend more on defense, 420 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: the Swedes and Finns can spend more on defense. Europeans 421 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 1: can volunteer to take up a much bigger role and responsibility. 422 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: But I think I don't think they should just be 423 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 1: waved in. I think we should actually ask tough questions 424 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: and make sure this makes sense. Because look, Finland, it 425 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: is a great country. It's got an eight hundred mile 426 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: border with Russia. And you know that the points that 427 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 1: you guys mentioned where yes, they're the Russians may feel 428 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 1: more more threatened or not, but also it's going to 429 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: give them more opportunity. You know, if NATO is a 430 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 1: kind of quote unquote indivisible to Alliance and you add 431 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: eight hundred miles a territory, that's a lot more territory 432 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: to Fin's, that's a serious problem. And I think the 433 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: American people deserve serious answers those questions. And I haven't 434 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: really seen people talking in this way, which is disturbing. 435 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,400 Speaker 1: Bridge What do we think about Vladimir Putin's health. There's 436 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: been a lot of rumors that potentially he has got 437 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: a very severe form of cancer. One of the big 438 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: questions has been why now maybe he's behaving irrationally. Maybe 439 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: he doesn't feel like he has that much more time 440 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 1: to live, and that could have been an impetus for 441 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: why he wanted to try to expand Russians Russia's borders 442 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,919 Speaker 1: as a legacy move. What do you attribute based on 443 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: what you're reading, hearing, and seeing about Vladimir Putin's health 444 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: and how is that playing into the overall geopolitical landscape 445 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 1: so far as you can tell, I mean, it's hard 446 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: to tell. He was apparently, you know, he's wearing a 447 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 1: blanket in early May at the V Day victory in 448 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: Europe Day parade, So I mean, I think, and there's 449 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: been rumors about doctor's visits and so forth, so it's possible. 450 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: And look, I mean, yes, countries behave you know, as 451 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 1: big actors, you know, blocks on the board or whatever. 452 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:22,439 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, especially in a 453 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 1: centralized system like Russia, Vladimir Putin's personal view and perspective 454 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: of his life and legacy make a big difference. I mean, 455 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: I think he's been pretty clear on the Ukraine issue 456 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: over the last few years that he did want to 457 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,680 Speaker 1: he was fundamentally upset about it, not fairly or reason 458 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 1: necessarily justly, of course, but that's the you know, the 459 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: perspective that he's looking at. I mean, what I will 460 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 1: say about this, I don't think we can reckon on it, 461 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 1: and we don't know even if he does, you know, die, 462 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: it's not clear that his successor would be better or not. 463 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: You know, so we even know by the way, sorry 464 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: to cut you off, but do we know who Vladimir 465 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: Putin's successor would be likely to be if he died? 466 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: I don't think so. There's rumors about the head of 467 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,879 Speaker 1: the intelligence. I think the spr guy to foreign intelligence 468 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 1: is one. It possible might be the internal guy, but 469 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 1: I think a lot of that speculation, frankly, even a 470 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,479 Speaker 1: designated succession. I mean, if we look back to the 471 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: Soviet period, there were guys who were sort of in 472 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:17,160 Speaker 1: the lead, but they don't necessarily survive the Internet scene nicely, 473 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: literally or figuratively, that can happen, That's what I would say. 474 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,400 Speaker 1: I think our hope, like this regime change talk from 475 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,880 Speaker 1: the president of others is deeply irresponsible and it's kind 476 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 1: of crazy, frankly, because I mean, in a sense, Vladim 477 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: Reputin himself proves that regime change doesn't solve your problems 478 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,400 Speaker 1: because we did regime change the Soviet Union, or they 479 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 1: self regime change and we end up with Adimputin. So 480 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 1: Russia is likely to act in a certain way, but 481 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: it can act more or less responsible. If we look historically, 482 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: cruise chev pushed Kennedy over Berlin and then the cub 483 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: Missile crisis, and he failed. A couple of years later, 484 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 1: he was basically overthrown. He ended up with Bregnet, which 485 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 1: is not that much better. But you know that did 486 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 1: lead to day tant and stuff. So I think that's 487 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,679 Speaker 1: what we could hope for over time, is that somebody 488 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 1: comes in and says, this isn't really working. You know, 489 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna stay strong Russian nationalists, but I'm gonna play 490 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 1: it more quietly, and that could give us an opening 491 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: over time. Speaking of Bridge Colby, co founder and principle 492 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,959 Speaker 1: of the Marathon Initiative, his book The Strategy of Denial 493 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 1: American Defense at an Age of Great Power Conflict, Bridge, 494 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 1: where does this conflict in Ukraine go from here? I mean, look, 495 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: I mean I find it kind of surprising that this 496 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,679 Speaker 1: is controversial, but I think we want this conflict to 497 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: end in the sense that I mean there's a humanitarian 498 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 1: basis for that, but also that I mean, Russia's got 499 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 1: five that's nuclear weapons. It's an enormous country. It has leverage. 500 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 1: They have to agree to stop fighting. And I think 501 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: the Ukrainians are being very successful and that's great, and 502 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: we should help them be as successful as they can 503 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 1: within reason. But you know, these people who are saying 504 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 1: that we need kind of like total victory or something 505 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,159 Speaker 1: against Russia, as if like we're going to march to 506 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: Moscow or something. Implicitly, I don't think this is how 507 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 1: it goes. So I think it's really going to be, 508 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,199 Speaker 1: you know, to the extent that we can encourage or 509 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 1: open the possibility of an end to the conflict on 510 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,360 Speaker 1: reasonably advantageous terms for Ukraine. That's good for us, that's 511 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: good for the Ukrainians. I think it's probably good for 512 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 1: the Russians. That's not our primary interests, but that's where 513 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: I think we want to end up. And that's you know, 514 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,880 Speaker 1: that's probably going to mean some degree of armed neutrality 515 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 1: for Ukraine. Not NATO membership, but you know, something where 516 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: they can defend themselves in the Russians understand they can't 517 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 1: just fight them, fighte them up, beat them up. But 518 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 1: it's not going to be this kind of total victory 519 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,640 Speaker 1: that some people are talking about. Bridge Colby, everybody, Bridge 520 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 1: appreciate you being with us always a pleasure. Guys, friends, 521 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 1: you gotta trust me on this one. 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It's spell O s h E, 549 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: p H E r D Wolf and Shepherd dot Com. 550 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Clay, Travis and Buck Sexton Show. Next hour, 551 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: we'll talk about the border insecurity situation. The title forty 552 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 1: twos and looming. Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin will be 553 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 1: with us. Will speak with him and I want to 554 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: get some of your calls. But first I just think 555 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: this is kind of funny. Here is um Anthony Faucci. 556 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 1: I can't as much as my voice is a little 557 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: bit more raspy. Now, I don't think I could do 558 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: the Fauci impression today, Clay. Unfortunately, it might sound a 559 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 1: little too much. Here is Faucci telling everybody that he 560 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: doesn't actually like mandating. I don't like mandating things. I 561 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: don't like punishing people for not doing something. But I'm 562 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 1: just gonna say I don't believe him. Yeah, I think 563 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: he actually enjoys yep. I think he enjoys the power 564 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: to many things. Because here here's how we know. He 565 00:29:55,960 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: never says it's too much. He never says we've done far. 566 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: He never says take off that second mask. It's crazy. 567 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 1: Live your life. It's always you want to be as 568 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: careful as you can be, even if it doesn't do anything, 569 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: even if it's oppressive, stupid and damaging. In fact, you know, 570 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: we don't talk as much now about the learning law situation, 571 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 1: but we absolutely should. One point two million front page today. 572 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: Buck public school kids have disappeared since the COVID shutdowns. 573 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: One point two million nations. Now what in the breakdown? 574 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: What are they? Where are they saying those one point 575 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: two million have gone. They really don't know for sure 576 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: what they think. Some of them went to private schools, 577 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 1: they think some of them went to homeschooling. They think 578 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: some were just lost, right, they just decided to drop 579 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: out because they weren't being pursued as a part of 580 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: the remote learning aspects. And they think that's kind of 581 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 1: a mix of all three of those categories. But you 582 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: talk about the loss potentially future income for kids who 583 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: don't graduate from high school and just kind of got 584 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: lost in the shuffle. This is going to be a 585 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: calamitous asteroid strikes the public school system. Eventum. There's around 586 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: fifty million in school and they lost one point two million. 587 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: They just don't know. I mean, there there is a 588 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: remarkable increase, and I mean I think it's a very 589 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 1: very good thing, very positive development of if you look 590 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,479 Speaker 1: at homeschooling over the last twenty rocketing skyrocketing, I mean, 591 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 1: I got and I know you've got three kids, Clay, 592 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: but you've got a good, very you know, good school 593 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 1: system where you are. I think when I have kids, 594 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: I'll depending on where I live, but I think I 595 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 1: would very seriously consider homeschooling if I were in a 596 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: circumstance where that was possible with my wife, I think 597 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: I would give that a shot. Yeah, and I think 598 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: there's some also sort of pod schooling that ended up 599 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 1: being popular, and so homeschooling in small groups. You know. 600 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 1: That's when I say homeschooling. When I understand that from 601 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: what I know from people on the right who do 602 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: homeschool their kids, is it's that, you know, there's a 603 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: lot of community. You know that there's other parents, there's 604 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 1: the pods, there's material online, there's videos. It's not like 605 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: you sit there just teaching your kid the ABC's for 606 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 1: eight hours a day. A lot of people had to 607 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 1: do that in March when schools shut down, and that 608 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 1: was not easy. Yeah, I can imagine. I want to 609 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: take some of your calls, and you know, we put 610 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 1: out that number, and I want to hear from all 611 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: of you. Adrian in New Jersey has some thoughts for us. Hey, Adrian, 612 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: by first of all, I really enjoy your show. Thanks 613 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 1: for being a platform for getting the truth out there. 614 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: I really enjoy it. Thank you. I'm cooling. Regarding the 615 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: whole pandemic and the COVID vaccine mandates, I don't understand 616 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: since we've all seen and as we've all discussed, how 617 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: if the vaccinated are spreading and are getting and spreading 618 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 1: the virus, why there are companies still allowed to use 619 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: the vaccine as a condition for employment. I've been encountering 620 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: this over and over again where the company, like a 621 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: recruitable contact me and will ask me, Oh, first we 622 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 1: have to ask you these questions. And the COVID vaccine 623 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 1: is part of it. Do you plan to get it? 624 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 1: Are you willing to comply? And to be honest, I'm 625 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 1: not and I don't have plantathy, so my personal choice, 626 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 1: and of course I never get a callback. I don't 627 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 1: even get an interview to me. It's discriminatory and I 628 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 1: don't know how. I mean, I wish we could all 629 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 1: this could be fought legally. It goes back to, you know, 630 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: having your personal choice. If someone wants to get the vaccine, 631 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 1: I respect their decision, but I just ask that the 632 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: company and I know people can respect me from my choice. 633 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 1: I agree one hundred percent with you. Yeah, thank you 634 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: for calling in. And I look, this is something that 635 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: we're dealing with in my family. I was just telling 636 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 1: Buck off Air, my fourteen year old, my oldest son 637 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 1: wants to go to a camp this summer, and the 638 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 1: camp requires that you get the COVID shot in order 639 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 1: to return to go by the way Buck. So, for 640 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: I know, they don't require you to have measles, momps, rebella, 641 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 1: they're not requiring any of those vaccine proofs, but in 642 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 1: order to go to camp, they're saying that you need 643 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 1: to have proof of a COVID shot. And I've said before, 644 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 1: certainly my young kids are not getting the COVID shot, 645 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,839 Speaker 1: But I worry for my fourteen year old who's going 646 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 1: to be a freshman in high school next year. Certainly 647 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 1: I think colleges are going to require this, right, So 648 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 1: why in the world does he or any of the 649 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: other kids out there need to do this shot when 650 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 1: this is not I mean, our kids are under far 651 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,919 Speaker 1: more danger driving to a camp for the summer than 652 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 1: they are to spread COVID or have any issues with it. 653 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 1: I think at some level, the people that pushed all 654 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,319 Speaker 1: of this the only way that they think we can 655 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 1: move forward is if they keep pushing, because otherwise we 656 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,319 Speaker 1: would stop and turn around and say, what the hell 657 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 1: have you done to all of us? Like, what did 658 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 1: you think that you've really accomplished here, So they're only 659 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: in their minds. They are only option is to try 660 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,360 Speaker 1: to see this through and just keep going and going 661 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 1: and going. Don't look at the data, don't look at 662 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 1: the reality. I actually I want to take um ed 663 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 1: and Woodberry, Minnesota because he's got some thoughts for us. Ed. 664 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 1: Thanks so much by Clay Buck. Thanks for taking my call. 665 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 1: You guys are awesome out there. Thank you taste in radio. 666 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: I just want to say, uh, you know, baby formula shortage. 667 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 1: I don't want to be conspiracy theorioist, but I was 668 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 1: in Sam's Club here this morning, and I always talk 669 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: to people and this gentleman was rearranging the bread and 670 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 1: I go, don't you deliver bread? He goes, Oh yeah, 671 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 1: I go, where's the rack? He goes, we didn't have 672 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 1: any bread that delivered today. So you know, this is interesting, 673 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,319 Speaker 1: ED because people that I know who look closely at 674 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 1: these trends and the markets and what's available. Wheat is 675 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 1: a huge export of Ukraine, and fertilizer is a huge 676 00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:02,879 Speaker 1: export of Russia. Those supply chains clearly have been dramatically disrupted, 677 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:08,320 Speaker 1: and countries like Brazil and India they're saying they're gonna 678 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,440 Speaker 1: step up and try to make up for the shortfall. 679 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:15,880 Speaker 1: But we could actually see grain therefore, or wheat therefore, 680 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 1: bread shortages and all the food stuff that come along 681 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:23,240 Speaker 1: with that globally, Clay, this is not actually an impossibility. 682 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 1: This is a very serious possibility. Imagine if you had 683 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,919 Speaker 1: said when Joe Biden was running for president, if Trumpet said, 684 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 1: if Joe Biden ends up president, we're going to have baby, 685 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 1: you know, a shortages in this country and maybe bread 686 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,799 Speaker 1: shortages and maybe bread shortages do the entire media would 687 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 1: have lost its mind and called that the biggest lie ever. 688 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 1: Yet here we are, we can't even feed babies in 689 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 1: this country because Joe Biden is doing the worst job 690 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,240 Speaker 1: of any president in a hundred years or more. Senator 691 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 1: Ron Johnson's going to join us here in the third hour. 692 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 1: Appreciate you hanging out with us, fighting in sanity on 693 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:05,239 Speaker 1: a daily basis. On Clay Buck Play, Travis and Buck 694 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 1: Sexton on the front lines of truth.