WEBVTT - Dead in the Water 0:00:08.245 --> 0:00:16.925 School of Humans. Hey, good morning together. I did not 0:00:16.965 --> 0:00:20.205 sleep last night. I slept for about an hour and 0:00:20.245 --> 0:00:26.885 then I like, we'll grab him. Oh. We've been in 0:00:26.965 --> 0:00:29.325 mountain View for about a week now, and I feel 0:00:29.325 --> 0:00:31.285 like we've gotten a pretty good grip on the main 0:00:31.365 --> 0:00:35.565 facts of the case. We've met Rebecca's sister Danielle and 0:00:35.605 --> 0:00:38.885 her dad Larry, and the journalist George Jared, who has 0:00:38.925 --> 0:00:43.765 spent countless hours investigating this case. We've also met Dennis Simons, 0:00:43.965 --> 0:00:47.365 the lead investigator for the Arkansas State Police. Since he 0:00:47.405 --> 0:00:49.685 won't share the case file with us, we're on our 0:00:49.725 --> 0:00:53.085 own to piece together exactly what happened and to embed 0:00:53.125 --> 0:01:01.805 ourselves in the community to gain people's trust. In September 0:01:01.845 --> 0:01:04.725 of two thousand and four, twenty two year old Rebecca 0:01:04.805 --> 0:01:07.725 Gould was brutally murdered in a remote area of the 0:01:07.805 --> 0:01:13.725 Arkansas Ozarks. Fourteen years later, her killer is still out there. 0:01:14.005 --> 0:01:17.125 I've come back to Mountain View with one mission to 0:01:17.125 --> 0:01:22.165 get justice for Rebecca. I'm Catherine Townsend, and this is 0:01:22.205 --> 0:01:30.205 Helen Gone. It's been a week and it seems like 0:01:30.285 --> 0:01:32.885 everyone in town has heard of the case and knows 0:01:32.925 --> 0:01:36.085 exactly why we're here. Even the guy who comes in 0:01:36.125 --> 0:01:38.605 to fix the hot water heater. Lisia went to Mountain View. 0:01:38.645 --> 0:01:41.525 I'm not sure if Rebecca went to Melbourne or she 0:01:41.565 --> 0:01:43.685 went to Mountain View. I don't sure it worked together. 0:01:43.725 --> 0:01:45.885 It's one of the sonics. I don't know about one 0:01:45.885 --> 0:01:47.925 in Melbourne or one in Mountain Deere or something. In news. 0:01:48.445 --> 0:01:50.645 He tells us that his daughter Alisia went to school 0:01:50.645 --> 0:01:53.925 with Rebecca. He also tells us that his catfish pond 0:01:53.965 --> 0:01:56.925 has been connected to three different murders. Yeah, they told 0:01:57.005 --> 0:01:59.565 the well, they told the police officers that there was 0:01:59.565 --> 0:02:01.445 a body in my pond, so that they come out 0:02:01.485 --> 0:02:04.565 and drained it. Well, we drained it, but that didn't 0:02:04.605 --> 0:02:06.765 find anything. So why did they Why do you think 0:02:06.805 --> 0:02:09.605 the psychic focused on your pond. I've got no idea. 0:02:09.605 --> 0:02:11.405 There's a lot of ponds around there, so I've got 0:02:11.405 --> 0:02:14.245 no idea. Is it visible from the road and you 0:02:14.365 --> 0:02:18.725 know it's off the road broadways. It's pretty weird. And 0:02:18.805 --> 0:02:21.805 what what's what's happened to the pond now? Well, right 0:02:21.845 --> 0:02:24.285 now it's a golf covered up. Had those who come 0:02:24.285 --> 0:02:27.645 out covered up? So it's another psychics conbuggy. Yeah, it's 0:02:27.685 --> 0:02:31.005 been twice. When was another killing? That when they stabbed 0:02:31.045 --> 0:02:33.685 the boy. But that's they found a knife in the 0:02:33.765 --> 0:02:36.405 pond when they drained it that time. This is what 0:02:36.485 --> 0:02:38.445 I mean when I say Mountain View is a place 0:02:38.445 --> 0:02:42.885 where bad things can happen. For the record, that's one 0:02:42.965 --> 0:02:49.165 small catfish pond connected to three different murders. Yeah, I'm 0:02:49.205 --> 0:03:01.165 happenings later. Good look, thank you. It's eerie like how 0:03:01.285 --> 0:03:04.125 everyone in town seems to have some connection with this case. 0:03:04.685 --> 0:03:06.805 You know, either than you one of this potential suspect 0:03:06.845 --> 0:03:09.605 that you see who was involved. They knew the victim, 0:03:10.005 --> 0:03:12.085 their family, I remember their family, the victim. It's not 0:03:12.125 --> 0:03:14.565 even like six degrees of separation. It's like one degree 0:03:14.565 --> 0:03:16.685 of separation, do you know what I mean. Alicia went 0:03:16.725 --> 0:03:19.285 to school with Rebecca and she knows several of the 0:03:19.325 --> 0:03:21.285 other people that have been brought up in connection with 0:03:21.325 --> 0:03:24.965 this case. Hi, Alicia, Yeah, Hey is Taylor? Sorry? I 0:03:25.045 --> 0:03:29.165 just missed your call. Okay, I figured here. I'm sorry. 0:03:29.165 --> 0:03:31.125 I'm kind up. I had to do an inn service 0:03:31.125 --> 0:03:34.285 with my past today. Alicia works as a registered nurse 0:03:34.285 --> 0:03:40.205 in the area. Well, myn he of the Sonics in 0:03:40.205 --> 0:03:46.085 Melbourne and that's where sure then and them too, and 0:03:46.165 --> 0:03:50.645 she looked their fun, but not a lot of times 0:03:50.645 --> 0:03:55.765 that she went. She was working at Melbourne Sonic. You 0:03:55.845 --> 0:03:59.365 don't think sobout what happened to, especially somebody that you 0:03:59.485 --> 0:04:02.525 euro up with and you know, and you know, I 0:04:02.685 --> 0:04:08.045 was in her sister Daniel. In my opinion, I think 0:04:08.085 --> 0:04:10.445 it was a matter of Chelsey and I don't think 0:04:10.485 --> 0:04:14.045 it was just one person a ball. There was a 0:04:14.125 --> 0:04:16.565 lot going on with that group of people and they 0:04:16.645 --> 0:04:25.325 were some of those people are very vindictive, and Chris, 0:04:26.365 --> 0:04:29.205 I can't imagine, you know, again, he is the worst 0:04:29.285 --> 0:04:32.645 of all of them. Alicia brings up Chris the town 0:04:32.765 --> 0:04:36.405 black Sheep. Well, Chris, I don't think Chris would be 0:04:36.445 --> 0:04:40.005 close to anybody. He's not a good person. He uh, 0:04:41.205 --> 0:04:43.525 he was really involved in a lot of drugs and 0:04:45.765 --> 0:04:52.525 just bad stuff. Simmy was Chris. All friends, Siddy and 0:04:52.605 --> 0:04:56.365 Chris kind of capture themselves a lot of you know, 0:04:56.445 --> 0:04:58.325 unless they were out, like at a part of a year, 0:05:00.125 --> 0:05:02.445 you know, something like that was that was other people, 0:05:02.445 --> 0:05:04.605 and then they might associate with other people, but they 0:05:04.605 --> 0:05:07.605 look pretty private. Cindy was Chris's girlfriend at the time 0:05:07.605 --> 0:05:12.125 of the murder. She eventually became his wife. He was 0:05:12.165 --> 0:05:18.445 in prison I don't know what he's out, but Alicia 0:05:18.565 --> 0:05:20.765 tells me a story that I've heard several times while 0:05:20.805 --> 0:05:26.405 researching this case. He ended up getting in trouble. I'm 0:05:26.405 --> 0:05:30.925 not sure if somebody off the load and he's got 0:05:31.005 --> 0:05:33.485 a lot of truck. You know, he's got me in 0:05:33.605 --> 0:05:38.525 trouble for that. But it was, you know, sometime after 0:05:38.605 --> 0:05:41.685 that it happened. I don't know, I don't know what 0:05:41.805 --> 0:05:49.285 you you know what I can't imagine or Alicia knows 0:05:49.325 --> 0:05:52.445 several people in Rebecca's social circle, which centered around the 0:05:52.485 --> 0:05:55.045 Melbourne Sonic at the time of her death, and her 0:05:55.085 --> 0:05:57.965 insights about Chris and Cindy definitely start to paint a 0:05:57.965 --> 0:06:00.525 picture of the people that Rebecca was hanging around with. 0:06:01.045 --> 0:06:04.285 These are people that even today people in Mountain View 0:06:04.285 --> 0:06:14.565 are afraid of. It's become clear that we have to 0:06:14.565 --> 0:06:17.525 get more information on Chris, so we head into town 0:06:17.565 --> 0:06:20.325 to the offices of the Stone County Leader, one of 0:06:20.325 --> 0:06:28.565 the small town papers that reported on Rebecca's death and 0:06:28.845 --> 0:06:31.725 two thousand and four, the big ones over there before 0:06:31.765 --> 0:06:34.565 we started splitting them into two. Well, this is super 0:06:34.565 --> 0:06:37.405 helpful because it's been hard to find, like, not everything's online, 0:06:37.685 --> 0:06:43.445 there's no telling what's there. That case was kind of strange. 0:06:43.605 --> 0:06:48.485 She was found in our county, so right, well, it 0:06:48.525 --> 0:06:51.725 was like within a stone's throwers. I mean, it's just 0:06:52.045 --> 0:06:53.965 right there. And there's also like a lot of connections 0:06:54.005 --> 0:06:59.645 because her sister went to high school here. Rebecca's murders 0:06:59.645 --> 0:07:02.685 straddled to counties and affected people all over the state. 0:07:04.605 --> 0:07:07.125 She hung out and had friends in Mountain View, which 0:07:07.165 --> 0:07:09.965 is in Stone County. She also hung out in Melbourne 0:07:10.085 --> 0:07:13.485 and at Casey's house. Both of those are in Izard County, 0:07:13.925 --> 0:07:17.005 and Rebecca's body was also found in Iszard County. So 0:07:17.085 --> 0:07:20.285 the Izard County Sheriff's Department led the investigation until it 0:07:20.365 --> 0:07:22.525 was taken over a few days later by the Arkansas 0:07:22.605 --> 0:07:24.805 State Police. There was a follow up story to this. 0:07:25.045 --> 0:07:26.965 I think they found a story in a follow up 0:07:27.005 --> 0:07:30.245 if I remember this scene September twentieth, so she was 0:07:30.285 --> 0:07:32.685 reported missing, I believe on the twentieth, and then the 0:07:32.765 --> 0:07:35.205 twenty first is probably when it first came out, so 0:07:35.245 --> 0:07:38.565 it may not have been until like the twenty seventh, 0:07:38.565 --> 0:07:41.045 when you guys would have we probably ran a story 0:07:41.045 --> 0:07:44.525 of when she was missing. Oh yeah, here's another one. Yeah, Okay, 0:07:45.165 --> 0:07:47.605 it's a real of the homicide. Rusty is the owner 0:07:47.645 --> 0:07:50.325 and publisher of the weekly newspaper, The Stone County Leader. 0:07:50.845 --> 0:07:52.565 He invites us then to talk about the history of 0:07:52.605 --> 0:07:55.045 the town and how he feels it's changed. Do you 0:07:55.045 --> 0:08:00.165 know the population just twenty seven hundred. I think populi 0:08:00.285 --> 0:08:02.885 the whole county is about twelve thy four hundred. I 0:08:02.885 --> 0:08:06.605 believe for the last census. If anything, we've lost a 0:08:06.645 --> 0:08:09.525 little population. What do you think that is? We lost 0:08:09.565 --> 0:08:11.205 a lot of jobs, We lost a lot of young 0:08:11.245 --> 0:08:14.085 people that had to move away to find work. And 0:08:14.165 --> 0:08:16.125 the Stone kind of antworks at one time had five 0:08:16.245 --> 0:08:18.685 hundred people if you count their mc cali barock Land 0:08:19.405 --> 0:08:21.805 and they had about three hundred and fifty here for 0:08:21.805 --> 0:08:25.925 almost four hundred year and it's down to twenty five people. 0:08:26.085 --> 0:08:28.405 Maybe in a lot of ways, the story Mountain View 0:08:28.445 --> 0:08:30.365 is one that's playing out in small towns all across 0:08:30.405 --> 0:08:36.125 America's heartland. Jobs have disappeared, drugs including methanopiates, or crisis 0:08:36.165 --> 0:08:41.405 that terrors of the town seems we're not really equipped 0:08:41.525 --> 0:08:44.365 to be like investigative journalists on something like a murder. 0:08:44.365 --> 0:08:46.685 I mean, we had to rely on the police, and 0:08:46.765 --> 0:08:50.325 I didn't go to the scene where she was murdered, 0:08:50.685 --> 0:08:53.485 but it was a bloody mess, so there was some 0:08:53.605 --> 0:08:58.485 kind of a struggle that went on. You know, all 0:08:58.525 --> 0:09:03.205 the police are just unanimous in their beliefs that there 0:09:03.285 --> 0:09:05.845 was drug involved, so only motive that could come up with, 0:09:05.965 --> 0:09:10.045 and they're all kind of involved in drug culture. If 0:09:10.045 --> 0:09:16.005 you have moved drugs from the equation, the only crime 0:09:16.125 --> 0:09:19.045 we would have here would be domestic violence of some 0:09:19.125 --> 0:09:22.365 sort or another, and a lot of that strugg related 0:09:22.885 --> 0:09:25.965 money and drugs are kind of tied. You know, I 0:09:26.045 --> 0:09:30.005 bulgarized a house to get money from my myth is 0:09:30.045 --> 0:09:33.645 that the big problem down here? It has been in 0:09:33.645 --> 0:09:36.085 the past. You know, that's a landscape that changes all 0:09:36.125 --> 0:09:38.645 the time. And I'm not sure that I'm crying on 0:09:38.725 --> 0:09:41.565 you right now, but a couple of years ago, I 0:09:41.725 --> 0:09:47.365 was convinced that prescription drugs, primarily opioids, are having to 0:09:47.365 --> 0:09:51.085 replaced myth and everything else has the number one problem here. 0:09:51.165 --> 0:09:54.445 Over the years, Russy's developed a great relationship with local 0:09:54.525 --> 0:09:58.285 law enforcement. He knows what they're thinking. He sort of 0:09:58.365 --> 0:10:01.085 speaks in code. He's happy to share, but he's not 0:10:01.125 --> 0:10:04.325 going to tell us too much like many other people 0:10:04.365 --> 0:10:07.525 in town. You refer to Dennis's huge binder of information 0:10:07.605 --> 0:10:10.445 on Rebecca's case. Well, I know what the police are thinking, 0:10:10.445 --> 0:10:14.125 you know what the prosecutor's thinking. Anyway, the police thought 0:10:14.245 --> 0:10:18.725 they had enough evidence to prosecute, but the prosecutor disagreed. 0:10:19.565 --> 0:10:23.725 And if there were indeed more than one people involved 0:10:23.765 --> 0:10:28.685 in the murderer, then what they're hoping is somebody were. Well, 0:10:29.685 --> 0:10:32.165 the more people that know about what really happened, the 0:10:32.205 --> 0:10:36.485 better the eyes of somebody down the road talking. But 0:10:36.525 --> 0:10:38.805 aside from that, they still don't have a good enough case, 0:10:39.205 --> 0:10:44.565 and without new evidence or additional evidence, they're dead in 0:10:44.605 --> 0:10:49.085 the water. These cold cases sometimes get solved by someone 0:10:49.085 --> 0:10:51.925 who comes forth and talks about it. The police all 0:10:51.965 --> 0:10:57.165 think they know who did it. This is a cold case, 0:10:59.205 --> 0:11:02.205 something you could happen, though, And the reason, according to 0:11:02.205 --> 0:11:04.805 my theory anyway, is I do not see how one 0:11:04.845 --> 0:11:08.685 person could have done that by themselves without being detected somewhere. Now, 0:11:08.725 --> 0:11:12.885 they had to have a system or a couple, and 0:11:12.925 --> 0:11:15.925 it's almost certainly that they were drugs involved somewhere or another. 0:11:17.325 --> 0:11:21.365 With Rusty's references to drugs, multiple people, and the habitual offender, 0:11:21.845 --> 0:11:24.485 I feel pretty confident he's referring to Chris and JB. 0:11:25.245 --> 0:11:27.885 This is the same theory we keep hearing time and 0:11:27.925 --> 0:11:31.245 time again, that Chris killed Rebecca while he was high 0:11:31.285 --> 0:11:34.525 on meth and that JB, his friend, helped him clean 0:11:34.565 --> 0:11:38.045 up the crime scene. Both Chris and JB have been 0:11:38.125 --> 0:11:40.845 questioned extensively by the police, so if we want to 0:11:40.885 --> 0:11:43.725 figure out what happened, getting their stories will be key. 0:11:44.925 --> 0:11:47.565 But these guys both have criminal records, and I don't 0:11:47.565 --> 0:11:49.925 want to reach out to them without finding out exactly 0:11:50.005 --> 0:11:52.605 what their relationship was like with Rebecca just before she 0:11:52.725 --> 0:11:55.645 was murdered. So we go back to Danielle, Rebecca's sister, 0:11:55.845 --> 0:12:00.645 to ask her about their relationship hate Chris. I had 0:12:00.685 --> 0:12:06.165 always liked Rebecca for many years, but I isn't sure 0:12:06.205 --> 0:12:09.125 if they had seen each other in a long time, 0:12:09.405 --> 0:12:12.325 So like liked her as a person or liked her 0:12:12.365 --> 0:12:17.445 crush on her kind of thing. He liked her both both, 0:12:17.965 --> 0:12:22.205 But I mean he was with Cindy, and I mean 0:12:22.285 --> 0:12:24.845 I don't think she'd seen Chris in a long time. 0:12:25.165 --> 0:12:28.365 She never had anything to do with them romanical or 0:12:28.445 --> 0:12:30.965 nothing like that. But have you talked to Chris at 0:12:30.965 --> 0:12:38.405 all over the years since Anita's happened. No, just during 0:12:38.445 --> 0:12:40.965 that time a little bit and then since then. No, No, 0:12:42.245 --> 0:12:46.205 if Chris was there, to me, he would have rode 0:12:46.245 --> 0:12:50.965 with JB d That's the only way of me thinking 0:12:51.125 --> 0:12:55.925 that Chris would be there. Yeah, so some people think 0:12:55.965 --> 0:12:58.805 that Chris was obsessed with Rebecca. Danielle seems to at 0:12:58.885 --> 0:13:01.445 least confirm that he had long standing feelings for her. 0:13:01.765 --> 0:13:05.365 I keep coming back to, like, what was Jabi's can 0:13:05.365 --> 0:13:08.045 I It wasn't like a main friend or nothing, but 0:13:08.165 --> 0:13:11.245 she was friends with him. Danielle said that JB was 0:13:11.285 --> 0:13:13.925 Rebecca's source for pot back in the day, and that 0:13:14.045 --> 0:13:16.805 she thought Rebecca may have owed him some money. Of course, 0:13:18.525 --> 0:13:22.245 I don't think it was just Christian jab. Yeah, if 0:13:22.445 --> 0:13:26.085 Chris was involved, Cindy knows, And I think Cindy was there. 0:13:26.405 --> 0:13:28.845 Cindy was Chris's girlfriend at the time of the murder 0:13:28.885 --> 0:13:31.645 and they've had an on again, off again relationship ever since. 0:13:32.285 --> 0:13:34.725 I'm hoping this will end up working our advantage and 0:13:34.725 --> 0:13:37.165 that maybe she can give us some new information on Chris, 0:13:37.365 --> 0:13:39.645 like I can't imagine like Cindy would have that much 0:13:39.645 --> 0:13:46.045 loyally to Chris. Now, yeah, they got married after that, 0:13:46.845 --> 0:13:50.885 they're divorced, I think now. But they had a few kids, 0:13:50.885 --> 0:13:53.845 I believe, and if she thinks that, like, she could 0:13:53.845 --> 0:13:56.005 go away and this might be a good moment for 0:13:56.005 --> 0:13:57.485 her to turn on him. I mean, I'll be honest, 0:13:57.525 --> 0:14:00.885 I'm scared of these people. Yeah, I don't mention so 0:14:01.045 --> 0:14:05.765 much because I'm being recorded, because I'm not scared. I've 0:14:05.765 --> 0:14:08.605 talked to Chris before a couple of years back. I 0:14:08.645 --> 0:14:10.485 went to see him in Stone County Jail while he 0:14:10.525 --> 0:14:13.445 was behind bars on a different charge. But I have 0:14:13.565 --> 0:14:18.365 no clue where he is now. We'll be right back. 0:14:22.605 --> 0:14:25.325 So I was just calling all the auto parts stores 0:14:25.365 --> 0:14:28.485 in Mountain View. That's Sandy. She's part of our research team. 0:14:28.845 --> 0:14:31.565 She's helping us to track down possible leads and locations 0:14:31.565 --> 0:14:33.645 where Chris and JB might be working. I would and 0:14:33.685 --> 0:14:35.325 like I got close to the end of the list 0:14:35.365 --> 0:14:37.405 and everybody was just like, nobody here looks here with 0:14:37.405 --> 0:14:39.325 that name. I was just asking, Hey, do you JB 0:14:39.445 --> 0:14:43.205 or Chris? Are Davey and Chris working today? And then 0:14:43.245 --> 0:14:45.045 I got to this guy, I said, are JB and 0:14:45.085 --> 0:14:46.925 Chris endday? And he said no, And I was like, 0:14:46.965 --> 0:14:48.365 do you know when they'll be in? And he said 0:14:48.365 --> 0:14:50.965 hopefully tomorrow morning. I was like, you think both of 0:14:50.965 --> 0:14:52.925 them will be in tomorrow and he said yeah, hopefully, 0:14:54.325 --> 0:14:57.725 so he like he it sounded like he that they 0:14:57.765 --> 0:15:00.685 work there. To me, yeah, well probably JB. I mean 0:15:00.685 --> 0:15:03.325 there could be another Chris, I guess y, Yeah, that's 0:15:03.365 --> 0:15:08.005 what I was thinking, Like, Chris is such a common name. Yeah, 0:15:08.165 --> 0:15:11.805 And I found a couple of app possible addresses for Chris. 0:15:11.965 --> 0:15:13.685 I just don't know how reliable they are. And I 0:15:13.725 --> 0:15:16.445 also found one number linked with his name, but I 0:15:16.605 --> 0:15:20.605 highly doubt that's it's a number. Cool, thank you for that. 0:15:20.885 --> 0:15:23.285 That Purple Road, of course, it's Purple Road. That's like 0:15:23.325 --> 0:15:25.605 the one bad neighborhood. We could go there in the morning. 0:15:25.725 --> 0:15:27.605 Somebody could go there in the morning and just like 0:15:28.125 --> 0:15:30.445 bullshit a little bit, ask about a tire prices or something, 0:15:30.525 --> 0:15:32.285 just to make sure it's the right Chris. Ex if 0:15:32.285 --> 0:15:35.365 we can see that that's Chris and JB right, because 0:15:35.365 --> 0:15:37.565 it could be another Chris. Since I did meet Chris 0:15:37.565 --> 0:15:39.805 in person a couple of years ago, I don't want 0:15:39.805 --> 0:15:41.605 to tip either of them off that I'm looking for them. 0:15:41.965 --> 0:15:44.925 So one of our producers drives through town and goes 0:15:44.965 --> 0:15:52.805 in pretending to have a flat tire? Good, all right? Yeah, 0:15:52.805 --> 0:15:56.445 how you doing? Man? Got flat? Yeah I got it's 0:15:56.485 --> 0:15:58.485 a rental car. I'd love to know if you got one. 0:15:58.485 --> 0:16:00.525 I'd love to pull a fast one on him. And yeah, 0:16:00.605 --> 0:16:02.205 we got one to be a loud we'll get to 0:16:02.285 --> 0:16:17.045 you appreciate it. Well, he's not inside, all right, Well 0:16:17.045 --> 0:16:21.325 this is a bust. Well yeah, I got a little 0:16:21.325 --> 0:16:24.205 spoop balking in there though. Yeah. I tried to look 0:16:24.285 --> 0:16:28.365 in and like some other dude that's blowing hair. Yeah, 0:16:28.565 --> 0:16:32.325 not him, all right. I mean it's not to say 0:16:32.365 --> 0:16:34.925 he doesn't work there, but he wasn't there. Yeah, neither 0:16:34.965 --> 0:16:36.925 of them. When we first pulled up, there was a 0:16:36.965 --> 0:16:39.125 young guy that from the from him back from behind 0:16:39.165 --> 0:16:40.605 looked just like him, and I was like, oh shit, 0:16:40.725 --> 0:16:43.245 oh my god, it was maybe it was a son. 0:16:43.285 --> 0:16:46.045 Who knows. It was neither of them. Then now the 0:16:46.045 --> 0:16:49.365 old guy that owns the place is Charliet like long 0:16:49.445 --> 0:16:52.525 white hair. We'll find him. You know, you gotta try stuff. 0:16:53.485 --> 0:16:56.525 They ain't good though. Yeah, I mean it's good to 0:16:56.565 --> 0:16:59.565 have that checked off our list. Yeah. Whatever. It's It's 0:16:59.765 --> 0:17:02.365 also like it gets people comfortable doing, you know, the 0:17:02.445 --> 0:17:07.845 more surveillants who do like the easier it Gees. I 0:17:07.885 --> 0:17:10.805 talked to someone else who knows Rebecca, my sister's friend, Jesse. 0:17:11.445 --> 0:17:13.285 He told me that he saw Rebecca just a few 0:17:13.365 --> 0:17:15.965 days before her murder. Jesse, I don't think he's I 0:17:15.965 --> 0:17:17.445 don't know if he's in with Chris, but I know 0:17:17.525 --> 0:17:20.285 that like he so I know he was really good 0:17:20.285 --> 0:17:22.765 friends with Rebecca. Also, I think he might have seen 0:17:22.765 --> 0:17:28.445 her like as recently as Friday, like that weekend. That yeah, 0:17:28.485 --> 0:17:30.685 he'll probably have a better idea because he's lit forever, 0:17:30.685 --> 0:17:32.565 so he'll probably a better idea of like who works 0:17:32.565 --> 0:17:35.045 aware And I'm final face I think so. But that's 0:17:35.045 --> 0:17:36.605 what I'm just saying is like anyone who you know 0:17:36.645 --> 0:17:38.925 who has possibly maybe seen Chris, you know, just to 0:17:38.965 --> 0:17:41.685 ask to try to put eyes on So like if Jesse, 0:17:42.085 --> 0:17:43.685 which is great because since he's been here and he 0:17:43.725 --> 0:17:45.845 lives here, he may have been like, oh, yeah, Chris 0:17:45.885 --> 0:17:47.525 does work at CNA tire. I went there the other 0:17:47.565 --> 0:17:50.165 day to get a tire and I saw him. Hey, 0:17:50.205 --> 0:17:56.045 how you doing? Mah good are you? Jesse? Yeah, you 0:17:56.125 --> 0:17:58.445 haven't made Rebecca went to the side class yet her 0:17:58.445 --> 0:18:01.605 in school and with pretty good friends. Yeah, whenever I 0:18:01.925 --> 0:18:03.925 was last hanging out with her, which is right before 0:18:03.965 --> 0:18:07.165 she got murdered, she was staying over there, or she 0:18:07.325 --> 0:18:09.805 was actually working a little bit in Sonic at Melbourne, 0:18:10.685 --> 0:18:12.525 and she's just starting back to she's going to go 0:18:12.565 --> 0:18:14.965 to school, her and her sister Danielle back in Fayetville. 0:18:14.965 --> 0:18:17.005 I'm pretty sure y'all had Barry with me. This's ben 0:18:17.125 --> 0:18:19.765 years ago. They found her phone or whatever, you know, 0:18:19.885 --> 0:18:22.005 and my number was on her forty eight hours from 0:18:22.365 --> 0:18:25.005 when she you know, it come up missing. So they 0:18:25.125 --> 0:18:28.605 called me and she her car was broken down over 0:18:28.685 --> 0:18:32.485 there at her house, at his house, and she got 0:18:32.565 --> 0:18:35.005 up with me because my cousin and stuff owns a 0:18:35.205 --> 0:18:37.725 salvageyard out about fifteen miles west of Mountain of Mew, 0:18:38.165 --> 0:18:39.805 and I was trying to get an alternator rigged up. 0:18:39.965 --> 0:18:42.645 I told her that he didn't have one at that time, 0:18:42.725 --> 0:18:44.525 you know, closing time, and she said, well, she'd found 0:18:44.605 --> 0:18:47.965 one from another friend, which is I think that's how 0:18:48.085 --> 0:18:52.005 Chris come involved. He supposedly took an alpnator over there 0:18:52.525 --> 0:18:55.125 if Rebecca needed someone to fix her car. Could that 0:18:55.245 --> 0:18:57.565 explain what Chris and JB could be at Casey's house 0:18:57.605 --> 0:19:01.085 that morning. Well, see this guy named JB B. And 0:19:01.205 --> 0:19:03.845 Chris supposedly went over there to work on her car. 0:19:04.765 --> 0:19:07.365 That's the last hour. So the only thing I can 0:19:07.445 --> 0:19:09.685 maybe think, of course this is just a scenario I've 0:19:09.725 --> 0:19:12.885 made up my head, is maybe they went over there 0:19:13.245 --> 0:19:15.685 and probably induced that they was going to work on 0:19:15.765 --> 0:19:20.245 her car, and whatever happened happened. Then it is just 0:19:20.325 --> 0:19:23.725 probably them being all drugged out and thinking one thing 0:19:23.805 --> 0:19:26.565 when it really wasn't and they may went over there 0:19:26.565 --> 0:19:28.965 and fixed your car and expected payment in that way. 0:19:29.045 --> 0:19:30.605 You can't tell, you know what I mean, because these 0:19:30.725 --> 0:19:33.845 dudes ain't They're not like us sitting here talking. They's 0:19:33.885 --> 0:19:37.645 way different. Jesse's version of events matches what I've heard before, 0:19:38.205 --> 0:19:40.165 and I have to take it seriously because he knows. 0:19:40.285 --> 0:19:43.085 Chris may be better than anyone I've talked to so far. Yeah, 0:19:43.165 --> 0:19:46.805 he's been in drouble his whole life. First time I 0:19:46.885 --> 0:19:49.525 ever made him, I was about fifteen and I'm thirty 0:19:49.605 --> 0:19:53.085 five now, so about twenty years ago. Down to him. Yeah. 0:19:53.445 --> 0:19:58.765 Nick daniels X his dad's names Tim, and Chris lived 0:19:58.845 --> 0:20:01.245 with them. Nick is daniels x husband and the father 0:20:01.365 --> 0:20:04.285 to her two girls. Nick said he and Chris were 0:20:04.325 --> 0:20:09.125 best friends and even others. Literally. Nick's dad legally adopted Chris, 0:20:09.765 --> 0:20:12.845 but when Rebecca was murdered, Nick felt Chris was involved 0:20:13.005 --> 0:20:14.845 or knew more than he was saying, and they had 0:20:14.885 --> 0:20:21.485 a major falling out. They haven't spoken since. Exactly talked 0:20:21.525 --> 0:20:25.165 to him. Yeah, I mean, he probably ain't gonna be cooperative. Yeah. 0:20:25.765 --> 0:20:27.925 Most of the time people are guilty that shy away 0:20:27.965 --> 0:20:29.845 from stuff like that was their afraid. They might say 0:20:29.885 --> 0:20:32.765 something that when tramp them his ex girl friend, she 0:20:32.965 --> 0:20:35.125 might know where to find me, and she worked right 0:20:35.165 --> 0:20:40.045 down in her language, thank you so much. Good love. 0:20:42.445 --> 0:20:45.925 Finding JB isn't proving to be any easier. But since 0:20:45.965 --> 0:20:48.325 I've been connecting with what seems like half the town 0:20:48.445 --> 0:20:51.645 on social media, I find him on Facebook and send 0:20:51.725 --> 0:20:55.405 him a message. I decided to be direct. I tell 0:20:55.485 --> 0:20:58.245 him I'm investigating Rebecca's murder. I let him know that 0:20:58.365 --> 0:21:00.565 I think the cops have him in the frame, but 0:21:00.685 --> 0:21:03.525 I think they have it wrong. I need your help, 0:21:03.605 --> 0:21:07.365 all right, it's the truth. Later on my phone rings, 0:21:09.085 --> 0:21:12.085 it's JB. Like I said, I didn't say Rebecca mysh 0:21:12.085 --> 0:21:15.045 those days, and uh, I figured she'd turned out, you know, 0:21:15.725 --> 0:21:18.285 hanging out with somebody or something, and then they turned 0:21:18.325 --> 0:21:20.765 out that you know, they found her like shovel days later. 0:21:21.325 --> 0:21:23.325 I mean, were you hanging out with Chris during that 0:21:23.405 --> 0:21:25.605 weekend or or like how did I'm just trying to 0:21:25.605 --> 0:21:27.645 figure out how they got you guys involved in this 0:21:27.965 --> 0:21:31.485 or said you were involved when I got on a 0:21:31.565 --> 0:21:33.285 cab and I don't think I know what come out 0:21:33.325 --> 0:21:35.685 and you goes live me well, cause so we had 0:21:35.765 --> 0:21:37.605 sort of heard that you were you looking for him? 0:21:37.605 --> 0:21:41.205 The next week or a few days later, print went 0:21:41.245 --> 0:21:43.725 around telling everybody that I've done name, that I don't 0:21:43.765 --> 0:21:47.525 do student shit. That's not what I think. Chris hoping 0:21:47.645 --> 0:21:50.805 his name about and said that I did that or 0:21:50.965 --> 0:21:53.325 said I didn't do that again, and I'm gonna fucking 0:21:53.485 --> 0:21:56.125 up and they believe a Christian state to do it 0:21:56.725 --> 0:21:58.645 and get away waited. They believe he did it, and 0:21:58.685 --> 0:22:01.205 then they called me to help cover it, and I'm not. 0:22:02.365 --> 0:22:04.965 I would have nothing. No, that's not me. I don't 0:22:05.005 --> 0:22:09.245 do it. Reacca with my brand. We might not hang 0:22:09.325 --> 0:22:12.685 out every day, and U of my brand and mine 0:22:12.685 --> 0:22:15.165 are found out. Who don't good I meet out here? 0:22:15.205 --> 0:22:17.125 I got none. I asked him if we can meet 0:22:17.125 --> 0:22:20.845 in person. He agrees, and I start driving toward Baldnob 0:22:20.925 --> 0:22:23.765 to his house. It occurs to me that meeting someone 0:22:23.805 --> 0:22:25.605 who the police think could be involved in the murder 0:22:25.725 --> 0:22:28.365 in an area with no cell reception may not be 0:22:28.485 --> 0:22:30.845 the smartest move I've ever made. And is an investigator, 0:22:31.565 --> 0:22:34.605 so I make a judgment call. When he opens the door, 0:22:34.885 --> 0:22:38.205 He's friendly and open, and I'm immediately at ease. Now 0:22:38.245 --> 0:22:41.245 at that time, though I've got didn't selling the math 0:22:41.325 --> 0:22:44.005 and stuff in my eyes, I've never could out with 0:22:44.045 --> 0:22:45.645 my life. I bought it from other people and I 0:22:45.765 --> 0:22:47.725 resettled it, you know. I mean, that's what I'm good at. 0:22:48.765 --> 0:22:52.405 But JB now works on oil pipelines and has cleaned 0:22:52.485 --> 0:22:55.685 up his act. However, he's pretty open about his days 0:22:55.685 --> 0:22:58.005