1 00:00:08,245 --> 00:00:16,925 Speaker 1: School of Humans. Hey, good morning together. I did not 2 00:00:16,965 --> 00:00:20,205 Speaker 1: sleep last night. I slept for about an hour and 3 00:00:20,245 --> 00:00:26,885 Speaker 1: then I like, we'll grab him. Oh. We've been in 4 00:00:26,965 --> 00:00:29,325 Speaker 1: mountain View for about a week now, and I feel 5 00:00:29,325 --> 00:00:31,285 Speaker 1: like we've gotten a pretty good grip on the main 6 00:00:31,365 --> 00:00:35,565 Speaker 1: facts of the case. We've met Rebecca's sister Danielle and 7 00:00:35,605 --> 00:00:38,885 Speaker 1: her dad Larry, and the journalist George Jared, who has 8 00:00:38,925 --> 00:00:43,765 Speaker 1: spent countless hours investigating this case. We've also met Dennis Simons, 9 00:00:43,965 --> 00:00:47,365 Speaker 1: the lead investigator for the Arkansas State Police. Since he 10 00:00:47,405 --> 00:00:49,685 Speaker 1: won't share the case file with us, we're on our 11 00:00:49,725 --> 00:00:53,085 Speaker 1: own to piece together exactly what happened and to embed 12 00:00:53,125 --> 00:01:01,805 Speaker 1: ourselves in the community to gain people's trust. In September 13 00:01:01,845 --> 00:01:04,725 Speaker 1: of two thousand and four, twenty two year old Rebecca 14 00:01:04,805 --> 00:01:07,725 Speaker 1: Gould was brutally murdered in a remote area of the 15 00:01:07,805 --> 00:01:13,725 Speaker 1: Arkansas Ozarks. Fourteen years later, her killer is still out there. 16 00:01:14,005 --> 00:01:17,125 Speaker 1: I've come back to Mountain View with one mission to 17 00:01:17,125 --> 00:01:22,165 Speaker 1: get justice for Rebecca. I'm Catherine Townsend, and this is 18 00:01:22,205 --> 00:01:30,205 Speaker 1: Helen Gone. It's been a week and it seems like 19 00:01:30,285 --> 00:01:32,885 Speaker 1: everyone in town has heard of the case and knows 20 00:01:32,925 --> 00:01:36,085 Speaker 1: exactly why we're here. Even the guy who comes in 21 00:01:36,125 --> 00:01:38,605 Speaker 1: to fix the hot water heater. Lisia went to Mountain View. 22 00:01:38,645 --> 00:01:41,525 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if Rebecca went to Melbourne or she 23 00:01:41,565 --> 00:01:43,685 Speaker 1: went to Mountain View. I don't sure it worked together. 24 00:01:43,725 --> 00:01:45,885 Speaker 1: It's one of the sonics. I don't know about one 25 00:01:45,885 --> 00:01:47,925 Speaker 1: in Melbourne or one in Mountain Deere or something. In news. 26 00:01:48,445 --> 00:01:50,645 Speaker 1: He tells us that his daughter Alisia went to school 27 00:01:50,645 --> 00:01:53,925 Speaker 1: with Rebecca. He also tells us that his catfish pond 28 00:01:53,965 --> 00:01:56,925 Speaker 1: has been connected to three different murders. Yeah, they told 29 00:01:57,005 --> 00:01:59,565 Speaker 1: the well, they told the police officers that there was 30 00:01:59,565 --> 00:02:01,445 Speaker 1: a body in my pond, so that they come out 31 00:02:01,485 --> 00:02:04,565 Speaker 1: and drained it. Well, we drained it, but that didn't 32 00:02:04,605 --> 00:02:06,765 Speaker 1: find anything. So why did they Why do you think 33 00:02:06,805 --> 00:02:09,605 Speaker 1: the psychic focused on your pond. I've got no idea. 34 00:02:09,605 --> 00:02:11,405 Speaker 1: There's a lot of ponds around there, so I've got 35 00:02:11,405 --> 00:02:14,245 Speaker 1: no idea. Is it visible from the road and you 36 00:02:14,365 --> 00:02:18,725 Speaker 1: know it's off the road broadways. It's pretty weird. And 37 00:02:18,805 --> 00:02:21,805 Speaker 1: what what's what's happened to the pond now? Well, right 38 00:02:21,845 --> 00:02:24,285 Speaker 1: now it's a golf covered up. Had those who come 39 00:02:24,285 --> 00:02:27,645 Speaker 1: out covered up? So it's another psychics conbuggy. Yeah, it's 40 00:02:27,685 --> 00:02:31,005 Speaker 1: been twice. When was another killing? That when they stabbed 41 00:02:31,045 --> 00:02:33,685 Speaker 1: the boy. But that's they found a knife in the 42 00:02:33,765 --> 00:02:36,405 Speaker 1: pond when they drained it that time. This is what 43 00:02:36,485 --> 00:02:38,445 Speaker 1: I mean when I say Mountain View is a place 44 00:02:38,445 --> 00:02:42,885 Speaker 1: where bad things can happen. For the record, that's one 45 00:02:42,965 --> 00:02:49,165 Speaker 1: small catfish pond connected to three different murders. Yeah, I'm 46 00:02:49,205 --> 00:03:01,165 Speaker 1: happenings later. Good look, thank you. It's eerie like how 47 00:03:01,285 --> 00:03:04,125 Speaker 1: everyone in town seems to have some connection with this case. 48 00:03:04,685 --> 00:03:06,805 Speaker 1: You know, either than you one of this potential suspect 49 00:03:06,845 --> 00:03:09,605 Speaker 1: that you see who was involved. They knew the victim, 50 00:03:10,005 --> 00:03:12,085 Speaker 1: their family, I remember their family, the victim. It's not 51 00:03:12,125 --> 00:03:14,565 Speaker 1: even like six degrees of separation. It's like one degree 52 00:03:14,565 --> 00:03:16,685 Speaker 1: of separation, do you know what I mean. Alicia went 53 00:03:16,725 --> 00:03:19,285 Speaker 1: to school with Rebecca and she knows several of the 54 00:03:19,325 --> 00:03:21,285 Speaker 1: other people that have been brought up in connection with 55 00:03:21,325 --> 00:03:24,965 Speaker 1: this case. Hi, Alicia, Yeah, Hey is Taylor? Sorry? I 56 00:03:25,045 --> 00:03:29,165 Speaker 1: just missed your call. Okay, I figured here. I'm sorry. 57 00:03:29,165 --> 00:03:31,125 Speaker 1: I'm kind up. I had to do an inn service 58 00:03:31,125 --> 00:03:34,285 Speaker 1: with my past today. Alicia works as a registered nurse 59 00:03:34,285 --> 00:03:40,205 Speaker 1: in the area. Well, myn he of the Sonics in 60 00:03:40,205 --> 00:03:46,085 Speaker 1: Melbourne and that's where sure then and them too, and 61 00:03:46,165 --> 00:03:50,645 Speaker 1: she looked their fun, but not a lot of times 62 00:03:50,645 --> 00:03:55,765 Speaker 1: that she went. She was working at Melbourne Sonic. You 63 00:03:55,845 --> 00:03:59,365 Speaker 1: don't think sobout what happened to, especially somebody that you 64 00:03:59,485 --> 00:04:02,525 Speaker 1: euro up with and you know, and you know, I 65 00:04:02,685 --> 00:04:08,045 Speaker 1: was in her sister Daniel. In my opinion, I think 66 00:04:08,085 --> 00:04:10,445 Speaker 1: it was a matter of Chelsey and I don't think 67 00:04:10,485 --> 00:04:14,045 Speaker 1: it was just one person a ball. There was a 68 00:04:14,125 --> 00:04:16,565 Speaker 1: lot going on with that group of people and they 69 00:04:16,645 --> 00:04:25,325 Speaker 1: were some of those people are very vindictive, and Chris, 70 00:04:26,365 --> 00:04:29,205 Speaker 1: I can't imagine, you know, again, he is the worst 71 00:04:29,285 --> 00:04:32,645 Speaker 1: of all of them. Alicia brings up Chris the town 72 00:04:32,765 --> 00:04:36,405 Speaker 1: black Sheep. Well, Chris, I don't think Chris would be 73 00:04:36,445 --> 00:04:40,005 Speaker 1: close to anybody. He's not a good person. He uh, 74 00:04:41,205 --> 00:04:43,525 Speaker 1: he was really involved in a lot of drugs and 75 00:04:45,765 --> 00:04:52,525 Speaker 1: just bad stuff. Simmy was Chris. All friends, Siddy and 76 00:04:52,605 --> 00:04:56,365 Speaker 1: Chris kind of capture themselves a lot of you know, 77 00:04:56,445 --> 00:04:58,325 Speaker 1: unless they were out, like at a part of a year, 78 00:05:00,125 --> 00:05:02,445 Speaker 1: you know, something like that was that was other people, 79 00:05:02,445 --> 00:05:04,605 Speaker 1: and then they might associate with other people, but they 80 00:05:04,605 --> 00:05:07,605 Speaker 1: look pretty private. Cindy was Chris's girlfriend at the time 81 00:05:07,605 --> 00:05:12,125 Speaker 1: of the murder. She eventually became his wife. He was 82 00:05:12,165 --> 00:05:18,445 Speaker 1: in prison I don't know what he's out, but Alicia 83 00:05:18,565 --> 00:05:20,765 Speaker 1: tells me a story that I've heard several times while 84 00:05:20,805 --> 00:05:26,405 Speaker 1: researching this case. He ended up getting in trouble. I'm 85 00:05:26,405 --> 00:05:30,925 Speaker 1: not sure if somebody off the load and he's got 86 00:05:31,005 --> 00:05:33,485 Speaker 1: a lot of truck. You know, he's got me in 87 00:05:33,605 --> 00:05:38,525 Speaker 1: trouble for that. But it was, you know, sometime after 88 00:05:38,605 --> 00:05:41,685 Speaker 1: that it happened. I don't know, I don't know what 89 00:05:41,805 --> 00:05:49,285 Speaker 1: you you know what I can't imagine or Alicia knows 90 00:05:49,325 --> 00:05:52,445 Speaker 1: several people in Rebecca's social circle, which centered around the 91 00:05:52,485 --> 00:05:55,045 Speaker 1: Melbourne Sonic at the time of her death, and her 92 00:05:55,085 --> 00:05:57,965 Speaker 1: insights about Chris and Cindy definitely start to paint a 93 00:05:57,965 --> 00:06:00,525 Speaker 1: picture of the people that Rebecca was hanging around with. 94 00:06:01,045 --> 00:06:04,285 Speaker 1: These are people that even today people in Mountain View 95 00:06:04,285 --> 00:06:14,565 Speaker 1: are afraid of. It's become clear that we have to 96 00:06:14,565 --> 00:06:17,525 Speaker 1: get more information on Chris, so we head into town 97 00:06:17,565 --> 00:06:20,325 Speaker 1: to the offices of the Stone County Leader, one of 98 00:06:20,325 --> 00:06:28,565 Speaker 1: the small town papers that reported on Rebecca's death and 99 00:06:28,845 --> 00:06:31,725 Speaker 1: two thousand and four, the big ones over there before 100 00:06:31,765 --> 00:06:34,565 Speaker 1: we started splitting them into two. Well, this is super 101 00:06:34,565 --> 00:06:37,405 Speaker 1: helpful because it's been hard to find, like, not everything's online, 102 00:06:37,685 --> 00:06:43,445 Speaker 1: there's no telling what's there. That case was kind of strange. 103 00:06:43,605 --> 00:06:48,485 Speaker 1: She was found in our county, so right, well, it 104 00:06:48,525 --> 00:06:51,725 Speaker 1: was like within a stone's throwers. I mean, it's just 105 00:06:52,045 --> 00:06:53,965 Speaker 1: right there. And there's also like a lot of connections 106 00:06:54,005 --> 00:06:59,645 Speaker 1: because her sister went to high school here. Rebecca's murders 107 00:06:59,645 --> 00:07:02,685 Speaker 1: straddled to counties and affected people all over the state. 108 00:07:04,605 --> 00:07:07,125 Speaker 1: She hung out and had friends in Mountain View, which 109 00:07:07,165 --> 00:07:09,965 Speaker 1: is in Stone County. She also hung out in Melbourne 110 00:07:10,085 --> 00:07:13,485 Speaker 1: and at Casey's house. Both of those are in Izard County, 111 00:07:13,925 --> 00:07:17,005 Speaker 1: and Rebecca's body was also found in Iszard County. So 112 00:07:17,085 --> 00:07:20,285 Speaker 1: the Izard County Sheriff's Department led the investigation until it 113 00:07:20,365 --> 00:07:22,525 Speaker 1: was taken over a few days later by the Arkansas 114 00:07:22,605 --> 00:07:24,805 Speaker 1: State Police. There was a follow up story to this. 115 00:07:25,045 --> 00:07:26,965 Speaker 1: I think they found a story in a follow up 116 00:07:27,005 --> 00:07:30,245 Speaker 1: if I remember this scene September twentieth, so she was 117 00:07:30,285 --> 00:07:32,685 Speaker 1: reported missing, I believe on the twentieth, and then the 118 00:07:32,765 --> 00:07:35,205 Speaker 1: twenty first is probably when it first came out, so 119 00:07:35,245 --> 00:07:38,565 Speaker 1: it may not have been until like the twenty seventh, 120 00:07:38,565 --> 00:07:41,045 Speaker 1: when you guys would have we probably ran a story 121 00:07:41,045 --> 00:07:44,525 Speaker 1: of when she was missing. Oh yeah, here's another one. Yeah, Okay, 122 00:07:45,165 --> 00:07:47,605 Speaker 1: it's a real of the homicide. Rusty is the owner 123 00:07:47,645 --> 00:07:50,325 Speaker 1: and publisher of the weekly newspaper, The Stone County Leader. 124 00:07:50,845 --> 00:07:52,565 Speaker 1: He invites us then to talk about the history of 125 00:07:52,605 --> 00:07:55,045 Speaker 1: the town and how he feels it's changed. Do you 126 00:07:55,045 --> 00:08:00,165 Speaker 1: know the population just twenty seven hundred. I think populi 127 00:08:00,285 --> 00:08:02,885 Speaker 1: the whole county is about twelve thy four hundred. I 128 00:08:02,885 --> 00:08:06,605 Speaker 1: believe for the last census. If anything, we've lost a 129 00:08:06,645 --> 00:08:09,525 Speaker 1: little population. What do you think that is? We lost 130 00:08:09,565 --> 00:08:11,205 Speaker 1: a lot of jobs, We lost a lot of young 131 00:08:11,245 --> 00:08:14,085 Speaker 1: people that had to move away to find work. And 132 00:08:14,165 --> 00:08:16,125 Speaker 1: the Stone kind of antworks at one time had five 133 00:08:16,245 --> 00:08:18,685 Speaker 1: hundred people if you count their mc cali barock Land 134 00:08:19,405 --> 00:08:21,805 Speaker 1: and they had about three hundred and fifty here for 135 00:08:21,805 --> 00:08:25,925 Speaker 1: almost four hundred year and it's down to twenty five people. 136 00:08:26,085 --> 00:08:28,405 Speaker 1: Maybe in a lot of ways, the story Mountain View 137 00:08:28,445 --> 00:08:30,365 Speaker 1: is one that's playing out in small towns all across 138 00:08:30,405 --> 00:08:36,125 Speaker 1: America's heartland. Jobs have disappeared, drugs including methanopiates, or crisis 139 00:08:36,165 --> 00:08:41,405 Speaker 1: that terrors of the town seems we're not really equipped 140 00:08:41,525 --> 00:08:44,365 Speaker 1: to be like investigative journalists on something like a murder. 141 00:08:44,365 --> 00:08:46,685 Speaker 1: I mean, we had to rely on the police, and 142 00:08:46,765 --> 00:08:50,325 Speaker 1: I didn't go to the scene where she was murdered, 143 00:08:50,685 --> 00:08:53,485 Speaker 1: but it was a bloody mess, so there was some 144 00:08:53,605 --> 00:08:58,485 Speaker 1: kind of a struggle that went on. You know, all 145 00:08:58,525 --> 00:09:03,205 Speaker 1: the police are just unanimous in their beliefs that there 146 00:09:03,285 --> 00:09:05,845 Speaker 1: was drug involved, so only motive that could come up with, 147 00:09:05,965 --> 00:09:10,045 Speaker 1: and they're all kind of involved in drug culture. If 148 00:09:10,045 --> 00:09:16,005 Speaker 1: you have moved drugs from the equation, the only crime 149 00:09:16,125 --> 00:09:19,045 Speaker 1: we would have here would be domestic violence of some 150 00:09:19,125 --> 00:09:22,365 Speaker 1: sort or another, and a lot of that strugg related 151 00:09:22,885 --> 00:09:25,965 Speaker 1: money and drugs are kind of tied. You know, I 152 00:09:26,045 --> 00:09:30,005 Speaker 1: bulgarized a house to get money from my myth is 153 00:09:30,045 --> 00:09:33,645 Speaker 1: that the big problem down here? It has been in 154 00:09:33,645 --> 00:09:36,085 Speaker 1: the past. You know, that's a landscape that changes all 155 00:09:36,125 --> 00:09:38,645 Speaker 1: the time. And I'm not sure that I'm crying on 156 00:09:38,725 --> 00:09:41,565 Speaker 1: you right now, but a couple of years ago, I 157 00:09:41,725 --> 00:09:47,365 Speaker 1: was convinced that prescription drugs, primarily opioids, are having to 158 00:09:47,365 --> 00:09:51,085 Speaker 1: replaced myth and everything else has the number one problem here. 159 00:09:51,165 --> 00:09:54,445 Speaker 1: Over the years, Russy's developed a great relationship with local 160 00:09:54,525 --> 00:09:58,285 Speaker 1: law enforcement. He knows what they're thinking. He sort of 161 00:09:58,365 --> 00:10:01,085 Speaker 1: speaks in code. He's happy to share, but he's not 162 00:10:01,125 --> 00:10:04,325 Speaker 1: going to tell us too much like many other people 163 00:10:04,365 --> 00:10:07,525 Speaker 1: in town. You refer to Dennis's huge binder of information 164 00:10:07,605 --> 00:10:10,445 Speaker 1: on Rebecca's case. Well, I know what the police are thinking, 165 00:10:10,445 --> 00:10:14,125 Speaker 1: you know what the prosecutor's thinking. Anyway, the police thought 166 00:10:14,245 --> 00:10:18,725 Speaker 1: they had enough evidence to prosecute, but the prosecutor disagreed. 167 00:10:19,565 --> 00:10:23,725 Speaker 1: And if there were indeed more than one people involved 168 00:10:23,765 --> 00:10:28,685 Speaker 1: in the murderer, then what they're hoping is somebody were. Well, 169 00:10:29,685 --> 00:10:32,165 Speaker 1: the more people that know about what really happened, the 170 00:10:32,205 --> 00:10:36,485 Speaker 1: better the eyes of somebody down the road talking. But 171 00:10:36,525 --> 00:10:38,805 Speaker 1: aside from that, they still don't have a good enough case, 172 00:10:39,205 --> 00:10:44,565 Speaker 1: and without new evidence or additional evidence, they're dead in 173 00:10:44,605 --> 00:10:49,085 Speaker 1: the water. These cold cases sometimes get solved by someone 174 00:10:49,085 --> 00:10:51,925 Speaker 1: who comes forth and talks about it. The police all 175 00:10:51,965 --> 00:10:57,165 Speaker 1: think they know who did it. This is a cold case, 176 00:10:59,205 --> 00:11:02,205 Speaker 1: something you could happen, though, And the reason, according to 177 00:11:02,205 --> 00:11:04,805 Speaker 1: my theory anyway, is I do not see how one 178 00:11:04,845 --> 00:11:08,685 Speaker 1: person could have done that by themselves without being detected somewhere. Now, 179 00:11:08,725 --> 00:11:12,885 Speaker 1: they had to have a system or a couple, and 180 00:11:12,925 --> 00:11:15,925 Speaker 1: it's almost certainly that they were drugs involved somewhere or another. 181 00:11:17,325 --> 00:11:21,365 Speaker 1: With Rusty's references to drugs, multiple people, and the habitual offender, 182 00:11:21,845 --> 00:11:24,485 Speaker 1: I feel pretty confident he's referring to Chris and JB. 183 00:11:25,245 --> 00:11:27,885 Speaker 1: This is the same theory we keep hearing time and 184 00:11:27,925 --> 00:11:31,245 Speaker 1: time again, that Chris killed Rebecca while he was high 185 00:11:31,285 --> 00:11:34,525 Speaker 1: on meth and that JB, his friend, helped him clean 186 00:11:34,565 --> 00:11:38,045 Speaker 1: up the crime scene. Both Chris and JB have been 187 00:11:38,125 --> 00:11:40,845 Speaker 1: questioned extensively by the police, so if we want to 188 00:11:40,885 --> 00:11:43,725 Speaker 1: figure out what happened, getting their stories will be key. 189 00:11:44,925 --> 00:11:47,565 Speaker 1: But these guys both have criminal records, and I don't 190 00:11:47,565 --> 00:11:49,925 Speaker 1: want to reach out to them without finding out exactly 191 00:11:50,005 --> 00:11:52,605 Speaker 1: what their relationship was like with Rebecca just before she 192 00:11:52,725 --> 00:11:55,645 Speaker 1: was murdered. So we go back to Danielle, Rebecca's sister, 193 00:11:55,845 --> 00:12:00,645 Speaker 1: to ask her about their relationship hate Chris. I had 194 00:12:00,685 --> 00:12:06,165 Speaker 1: always liked Rebecca for many years, but I isn't sure 195 00:12:06,205 --> 00:12:09,125 Speaker 1: if they had seen each other in a long time, 196 00:12:09,405 --> 00:12:12,325 Speaker 1: So like liked her as a person or liked her 197 00:12:12,365 --> 00:12:17,445 Speaker 1: crush on her kind of thing. He liked her both both, 198 00:12:17,965 --> 00:12:22,205 Speaker 1: But I mean he was with Cindy, and I mean 199 00:12:22,285 --> 00:12:24,845 Speaker 1: I don't think she'd seen Chris in a long time. 200 00:12:25,165 --> 00:12:28,365 Speaker 1: She never had anything to do with them romanical or 201 00:12:28,445 --> 00:12:30,965 Speaker 1: nothing like that. But have you talked to Chris at 202 00:12:30,965 --> 00:12:38,405 Speaker 1: all over the years since Anita's happened. No, just during 203 00:12:38,445 --> 00:12:40,965 Speaker 1: that time a little bit and then since then. No, No, 204 00:12:42,245 --> 00:12:46,205 Speaker 1: if Chris was there, to me, he would have rode 205 00:12:46,245 --> 00:12:50,965 Speaker 1: with JB d That's the only way of me thinking 206 00:12:51,125 --> 00:12:55,925 Speaker 1: that Chris would be there. Yeah, so some people think 207 00:12:55,965 --> 00:12:58,805 Speaker 1: that Chris was obsessed with Rebecca. Danielle seems to at 208 00:12:58,885 --> 00:13:01,445 Speaker 1: least confirm that he had long standing feelings for her. 209 00:13:01,765 --> 00:13:05,365 Speaker 1: I keep coming back to, like, what was Jabi's can 210 00:13:05,365 --> 00:13:08,045 Speaker 1: I It wasn't like a main friend or nothing, but 211 00:13:08,165 --> 00:13:11,245 Speaker 1: she was friends with him. Danielle said that JB was 212 00:13:11,285 --> 00:13:13,925 Speaker 1: Rebecca's source for pot back in the day, and that 213 00:13:14,045 --> 00:13:16,805 Speaker 1: she thought Rebecca may have owed him some money. Of course, 214 00:13:18,525 --> 00:13:22,245 Speaker 1: I don't think it was just Christian jab. Yeah, if 215 00:13:22,445 --> 00:13:26,085 Speaker 1: Chris was involved, Cindy knows, And I think Cindy was there. 216 00:13:26,405 --> 00:13:28,845 Speaker 1: Cindy was Chris's girlfriend at the time of the murder 217 00:13:28,885 --> 00:13:31,645 Speaker 1: and they've had an on again, off again relationship ever since. 218 00:13:32,285 --> 00:13:34,725 Speaker 1: I'm hoping this will end up working our advantage and 219 00:13:34,725 --> 00:13:37,165 Speaker 1: that maybe she can give us some new information on Chris, 220 00:13:37,365 --> 00:13:39,645 Speaker 1: like I can't imagine like Cindy would have that much 221 00:13:39,645 --> 00:13:46,045 Speaker 1: loyally to Chris. Now, yeah, they got married after that, 222 00:13:46,845 --> 00:13:50,885 Speaker 1: they're divorced, I think now. But they had a few kids, 223 00:13:50,885 --> 00:13:53,845 Speaker 1: I believe, and if she thinks that, like, she could 224 00:13:53,845 --> 00:13:56,005 Speaker 1: go away and this might be a good moment for 225 00:13:56,005 --> 00:13:57,485 Speaker 1: her to turn on him. I mean, I'll be honest, 226 00:13:57,525 --> 00:14:00,885 Speaker 1: I'm scared of these people. Yeah, I don't mention so 227 00:14:01,045 --> 00:14:05,765 Speaker 1: much because I'm being recorded, because I'm not scared. I've 228 00:14:05,765 --> 00:14:08,605 Speaker 1: talked to Chris before a couple of years back. I 229 00:14:08,645 --> 00:14:10,485 Speaker 1: went to see him in Stone County Jail while he 230 00:14:10,525 --> 00:14:13,445 Speaker 1: was behind bars on a different charge. But I have 231 00:14:13,565 --> 00:14:18,365 Speaker 1: no clue where he is now. We'll be right back. 232 00:14:22,605 --> 00:14:25,325 Speaker 1: So I was just calling all the auto parts stores 233 00:14:25,365 --> 00:14:28,485 Speaker 1: in Mountain View. That's Sandy. She's part of our research team. 234 00:14:28,845 --> 00:14:31,565 Speaker 1: She's helping us to track down possible leads and locations 235 00:14:31,565 --> 00:14:33,645 Speaker 1: where Chris and JB might be working. I would and 236 00:14:33,685 --> 00:14:35,325 Speaker 1: like I got close to the end of the list 237 00:14:35,365 --> 00:14:37,405 Speaker 1: and everybody was just like, nobody here looks here with 238 00:14:37,405 --> 00:14:39,325 Speaker 1: that name. I was just asking, Hey, do you JB 239 00:14:39,445 --> 00:14:43,205 Speaker 1: or Chris? Are Davey and Chris working today? And then 240 00:14:43,245 --> 00:14:45,045 Speaker 1: I got to this guy, I said, are JB and 241 00:14:45,085 --> 00:14:46,925 Speaker 1: Chris endday? And he said no, And I was like, 242 00:14:46,965 --> 00:14:48,365 Speaker 1: do you know when they'll be in? And he said 243 00:14:48,365 --> 00:14:50,965 Speaker 1: hopefully tomorrow morning. I was like, you think both of 244 00:14:50,965 --> 00:14:52,925 Speaker 1: them will be in tomorrow and he said yeah, hopefully, 245 00:14:54,325 --> 00:14:57,725 Speaker 1: so he like he it sounded like he that they 246 00:14:57,765 --> 00:15:00,685 Speaker 1: work there. To me, yeah, well probably JB. I mean 247 00:15:00,685 --> 00:15:03,325 Speaker 1: there could be another Chris, I guess y, Yeah, that's 248 00:15:03,365 --> 00:15:08,005 Speaker 1: what I was thinking, Like, Chris is such a common name. Yeah, 249 00:15:08,165 --> 00:15:11,805 Speaker 1: And I found a couple of app possible addresses for Chris. 250 00:15:11,965 --> 00:15:13,685 Speaker 1: I just don't know how reliable they are. And I 251 00:15:13,725 --> 00:15:16,445 Speaker 1: also found one number linked with his name, but I 252 00:15:16,605 --> 00:15:20,605 Speaker 1: highly doubt that's it's a number. Cool, thank you for that. 253 00:15:20,885 --> 00:15:23,285 Speaker 1: That Purple Road, of course, it's Purple Road. That's like 254 00:15:23,325 --> 00:15:25,605 Speaker 1: the one bad neighborhood. We could go there in the morning. 255 00:15:25,725 --> 00:15:27,605 Speaker 1: Somebody could go there in the morning and just like 256 00:15:28,125 --> 00:15:30,445 Speaker 1: bullshit a little bit, ask about a tire prices or something, 257 00:15:30,525 --> 00:15:32,285 Speaker 1: just to make sure it's the right Chris. Ex if 258 00:15:32,285 --> 00:15:35,365 Speaker 1: we can see that that's Chris and JB right, because 259 00:15:35,365 --> 00:15:37,565 Speaker 1: it could be another Chris. Since I did meet Chris 260 00:15:37,565 --> 00:15:39,805 Speaker 1: in person a couple of years ago, I don't want 261 00:15:39,805 --> 00:15:41,605 Speaker 1: to tip either of them off that I'm looking for them. 262 00:15:41,965 --> 00:15:44,925 Speaker 1: So one of our producers drives through town and goes 263 00:15:44,965 --> 00:15:52,805 Speaker 1: in pretending to have a flat tire? Good, all right? Yeah, 264 00:15:52,805 --> 00:15:56,445 Speaker 1: how you doing? Man? Got flat? Yeah I got it's 265 00:15:56,485 --> 00:15:58,485 Speaker 1: a rental car. I'd love to know if you got one. 266 00:15:58,485 --> 00:16:00,525 Speaker 1: I'd love to pull a fast one on him. And yeah, 267 00:16:00,605 --> 00:16:02,205 Speaker 1: we got one to be a loud we'll get to 268 00:16:02,285 --> 00:16:17,045 Speaker 1: you appreciate it. Well, he's not inside, all right, Well 269 00:16:17,045 --> 00:16:21,325 Speaker 1: this is a bust. Well yeah, I got a little 270 00:16:21,325 --> 00:16:24,205 Speaker 1: spoop balking in there though. Yeah. I tried to look 271 00:16:24,285 --> 00:16:28,365 Speaker 1: in and like some other dude that's blowing hair. Yeah, 272 00:16:28,565 --> 00:16:32,325 Speaker 1: not him, all right. I mean it's not to say 273 00:16:32,365 --> 00:16:34,925 Speaker 1: he doesn't work there, but he wasn't there. Yeah, neither 274 00:16:34,965 --> 00:16:36,925 Speaker 1: of them. When we first pulled up, there was a 275 00:16:36,965 --> 00:16:39,125 Speaker 1: young guy that from the from him back from behind 276 00:16:39,165 --> 00:16:40,605 Speaker 1: looked just like him, and I was like, oh shit, 277 00:16:40,725 --> 00:16:43,245 Speaker 1: oh my god, it was maybe it was a son. 278 00:16:43,285 --> 00:16:46,045 Speaker 1: Who knows. It was neither of them. Then now the 279 00:16:46,045 --> 00:16:49,365 Speaker 1: old guy that owns the place is Charliet like long 280 00:16:49,445 --> 00:16:52,525 Speaker 1: white hair. We'll find him. You know, you gotta try stuff. 281 00:16:53,485 --> 00:16:56,525 Speaker 1: They ain't good though. Yeah, I mean it's good to 282 00:16:56,565 --> 00:16:59,565 Speaker 1: have that checked off our list. Yeah. Whatever. It's It's 283 00:16:59,765 --> 00:17:02,365 Speaker 1: also like it gets people comfortable doing, you know, the 284 00:17:02,445 --> 00:17:07,845 Speaker 1: more surveillants who do like the easier it Gees. I 285 00:17:07,885 --> 00:17:10,805 Speaker 1: talked to someone else who knows Rebecca, my sister's friend, Jesse. 286 00:17:11,445 --> 00:17:13,285 Speaker 1: He told me that he saw Rebecca just a few 287 00:17:13,365 --> 00:17:15,965 Speaker 1: days before her murder. Jesse, I don't think he's I 288 00:17:15,965 --> 00:17:17,445 Speaker 1: don't know if he's in with Chris, but I know 289 00:17:17,525 --> 00:17:20,285 Speaker 1: that like he so I know he was really good 290 00:17:20,285 --> 00:17:22,765 Speaker 1: friends with Rebecca. Also, I think he might have seen 291 00:17:22,765 --> 00:17:28,445 Speaker 1: her like as recently as Friday, like that weekend. That yeah, 292 00:17:28,485 --> 00:17:30,685 Speaker 1: he'll probably have a better idea because he's lit forever, 293 00:17:30,685 --> 00:17:32,565 Speaker 1: so he'll probably a better idea of like who works 294 00:17:32,565 --> 00:17:35,045 Speaker 1: aware And I'm final face I think so. But that's 295 00:17:35,045 --> 00:17:36,605 Speaker 1: what I'm just saying is like anyone who you know 296 00:17:36,645 --> 00:17:38,925 Speaker 1: who has possibly maybe seen Chris, you know, just to 297 00:17:38,965 --> 00:17:41,685 Speaker 1: ask to try to put eyes on So like if Jesse, 298 00:17:42,085 --> 00:17:43,685 Speaker 1: which is great because since he's been here and he 299 00:17:43,725 --> 00:17:45,845 Speaker 1: lives here, he may have been like, oh, yeah, Chris 300 00:17:45,885 --> 00:17:47,525 Speaker 1: does work at CNA tire. I went there the other 301 00:17:47,565 --> 00:17:50,165 Speaker 1: day to get a tire and I saw him. Hey, 302 00:17:50,205 --> 00:17:56,045 Speaker 1: how you doing? Mah good are you? Jesse? Yeah, you 303 00:17:56,125 --> 00:17:58,445 Speaker 1: haven't made Rebecca went to the side class yet her 304 00:17:58,445 --> 00:18:01,605 Speaker 1: in school and with pretty good friends. Yeah, whenever I 305 00:18:01,925 --> 00:18:03,925 Speaker 1: was last hanging out with her, which is right before 306 00:18:03,965 --> 00:18:07,165 Speaker 1: she got murdered, she was staying over there, or she 307 00:18:07,325 --> 00:18:09,805 Speaker 1: was actually working a little bit in Sonic at Melbourne, 308 00:18:10,685 --> 00:18:12,525 Speaker 1: and she's just starting back to she's going to go 309 00:18:12,565 --> 00:18:14,965 Speaker 1: to school, her and her sister Danielle back in Fayetville. 310 00:18:14,965 --> 00:18:17,005 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure y'all had Barry with me. This's ben 311 00:18:17,125 --> 00:18:19,765 Speaker 1: years ago. They found her phone or whatever, you know, 312 00:18:19,885 --> 00:18:22,005 Speaker 1: and my number was on her forty eight hours from 313 00:18:22,365 --> 00:18:25,005 Speaker 1: when she you know, it come up missing. So they 314 00:18:25,125 --> 00:18:28,605 Speaker 1: called me and she her car was broken down over 315 00:18:28,685 --> 00:18:32,485 Speaker 1: there at her house, at his house, and she got 316 00:18:32,565 --> 00:18:35,005 Speaker 1: up with me because my cousin and stuff owns a 317 00:18:35,205 --> 00:18:37,725 Speaker 1: salvageyard out about fifteen miles west of Mountain of Mew, 318 00:18:38,165 --> 00:18:39,805 Speaker 1: and I was trying to get an alternator rigged up. 319 00:18:39,965 --> 00:18:42,645 Speaker 1: I told her that he didn't have one at that time, 320 00:18:42,725 --> 00:18:44,525 Speaker 1: you know, closing time, and she said, well, she'd found 321 00:18:44,605 --> 00:18:47,965 Speaker 1: one from another friend, which is I think that's how 322 00:18:48,085 --> 00:18:52,005 Speaker 1: Chris come involved. He supposedly took an alpnator over there 323 00:18:52,525 --> 00:18:55,125 Speaker 1: if Rebecca needed someone to fix her car. Could that 324 00:18:55,245 --> 00:18:57,565 Speaker 1: explain what Chris and JB could be at Casey's house 325 00:18:57,605 --> 00:19:01,085 Speaker 1: that morning. Well, see this guy named JB B. And 326 00:19:01,205 --> 00:19:03,845 Speaker 1: Chris supposedly went over there to work on her car. 327 00:19:04,765 --> 00:19:07,365 Speaker 1: That's the last hour. So the only thing I can 328 00:19:07,445 --> 00:19:09,685 Speaker 1: maybe think, of course this is just a scenario I've 329 00:19:09,725 --> 00:19:12,885 Speaker 1: made up my head, is maybe they went over there 330 00:19:13,245 --> 00:19:15,685 Speaker 1: and probably induced that they was going to work on 331 00:19:15,765 --> 00:19:20,245 Speaker 1: her car, and whatever happened happened. Then it is just 332 00:19:20,325 --> 00:19:23,725 Speaker 1: probably them being all drugged out and thinking one thing 333 00:19:23,805 --> 00:19:26,565 Speaker 1: when it really wasn't and they may went over there 334 00:19:26,565 --> 00:19:28,965 Speaker 1: and fixed your car and expected payment in that way. 335 00:19:29,045 --> 00:19:30,605 Speaker 1: You can't tell, you know what I mean, because these 336 00:19:30,725 --> 00:19:33,845 Speaker 1: dudes ain't They're not like us sitting here talking. They's 337 00:19:33,885 --> 00:19:37,645 Speaker 1: way different. Jesse's version of events matches what I've heard before, 338 00:19:38,205 --> 00:19:40,165 Speaker 1: and I have to take it seriously because he knows. 339 00:19:40,285 --> 00:19:43,085 Speaker 1: Chris may be better than anyone I've talked to so far. Yeah, 340 00:19:43,165 --> 00:19:46,805 Speaker 1: he's been in drouble his whole life. First time I 341 00:19:46,885 --> 00:19:49,525 Speaker 1: ever made him, I was about fifteen and I'm thirty 342 00:19:49,605 --> 00:19:53,085 Speaker 1: five now, so about twenty years ago. Down to him. Yeah. 343 00:19:53,445 --> 00:19:58,765 Speaker 1: Nick daniels X his dad's names Tim, and Chris lived 344 00:19:58,845 --> 00:20:01,245 Speaker 1: with them. Nick is daniels x husband and the father 345 00:20:01,365 --> 00:20:04,285 Speaker 1: to her two girls. Nick said he and Chris were 346 00:20:04,325 --> 00:20:09,125 Speaker 1: best friends and even others. Literally. Nick's dad legally adopted Chris, 347 00:20:09,765 --> 00:20:12,845 Speaker 1: but when Rebecca was murdered, Nick felt Chris was involved 348 00:20:13,005 --> 00:20:14,845 Speaker 1: or knew more than he was saying, and they had 349 00:20:14,885 --> 00:20:21,485 Speaker 1: a major falling out. They haven't spoken since. Exactly talked 350 00:20:21,525 --> 00:20:25,165 Speaker 1: to him. Yeah, I mean, he probably ain't gonna be cooperative. Yeah. 351 00:20:25,765 --> 00:20:27,925 Speaker 1: Most of the time people are guilty that shy away 352 00:20:27,965 --> 00:20:29,845 Speaker 1: from stuff like that was their afraid. They might say 353 00:20:29,885 --> 00:20:32,765 Speaker 1: something that when tramp them his ex girl friend, she 354 00:20:32,965 --> 00:20:35,125 Speaker 1: might know where to find me, and she worked right 355 00:20:35,165 --> 00:20:40,045 Speaker 1: down in her language, thank you so much. Good love. 356 00:20:42,445 --> 00:20:45,925 Speaker 1: Finding JB isn't proving to be any easier. But since 357 00:20:45,965 --> 00:20:48,325 Speaker 1: I've been connecting with what seems like half the town 358 00:20:48,445 --> 00:20:51,645 Speaker 1: on social media, I find him on Facebook and send 359 00:20:51,725 --> 00:20:55,405 Speaker 1: him a message. I decided to be direct. I tell 360 00:20:55,485 --> 00:20:58,245 Speaker 1: him I'm investigating Rebecca's murder. I let him know that 361 00:20:58,365 --> 00:21:00,565 Speaker 1: I think the cops have him in the frame, but 362 00:21:00,685 --> 00:21:03,525 Speaker 1: I think they have it wrong. I need your help, 363 00:21:03,605 --> 00:21:07,365 Speaker 1: all right, it's the truth. Later on my phone rings, 364 00:21:09,085 --> 00:21:12,085 Speaker 1: it's JB. Like I said, I didn't say Rebecca mysh 365 00:21:12,085 --> 00:21:15,045 Speaker 1: those days, and uh, I figured she'd turned out, you know, 366 00:21:15,725 --> 00:21:18,285 Speaker 1: hanging out with somebody or something, and then they turned 367 00:21:18,325 --> 00:21:20,765 Speaker 1: out that you know, they found her like shovel days later. 368 00:21:21,325 --> 00:21:23,325 Speaker 1: I mean, were you hanging out with Chris during that 369 00:21:23,405 --> 00:21:25,605 Speaker 1: weekend or or like how did I'm just trying to 370 00:21:25,605 --> 00:21:27,645 Speaker 1: figure out how they got you guys involved in this 371 00:21:27,965 --> 00:21:31,485 Speaker 1: or said you were involved when I got on a 372 00:21:31,565 --> 00:21:33,285 Speaker 1: cab and I don't think I know what come out 373 00:21:33,325 --> 00:21:35,685 Speaker 1: and you goes live me well, cause so we had 374 00:21:35,765 --> 00:21:37,605 Speaker 1: sort of heard that you were you looking for him? 375 00:21:37,605 --> 00:21:41,205 Speaker 1: The next week or a few days later, print went 376 00:21:41,245 --> 00:21:43,725 Speaker 1: around telling everybody that I've done name, that I don't 377 00:21:43,765 --> 00:21:47,525 Speaker 1: do student shit. That's not what I think. Chris hoping 378 00:21:47,645 --> 00:21:50,805 Speaker 1: his name about and said that I did that or 379 00:21:50,965 --> 00:21:53,325 Speaker 1: said I didn't do that again, and I'm gonna fucking 380 00:21:53,485 --> 00:21:56,125 Speaker 1: up and they believe a Christian state to do it 381 00:21:56,725 --> 00:21:58,645 Speaker 1: and get away waited. They believe he did it, and 382 00:21:58,685 --> 00:22:01,205 Speaker 1: then they called me to help cover it, and I'm not. 383 00:22:02,365 --> 00:22:04,965 Speaker 1: I would have nothing. No, that's not me. I don't 384 00:22:05,005 --> 00:22:09,245 Speaker 1: do it. Reacca with my brand. We might not hang 385 00:22:09,325 --> 00:22:12,685 Speaker 1: out every day, and U of my brand and mine 386 00:22:12,685 --> 00:22:15,165 Speaker 1: are found out. Who don't good I meet out here? 387 00:22:15,205 --> 00:22:17,125 Speaker 1: I got none. I asked him if we can meet 388 00:22:17,125 --> 00:22:20,845 Speaker 1: in person. He agrees, and I start driving toward Baldnob 389 00:22:20,925 --> 00:22:23,765 Speaker 1: to his house. It occurs to me that meeting someone 390 00:22:23,805 --> 00:22:25,605 Speaker 1: who the police think could be involved in the murder 391 00:22:25,725 --> 00:22:28,365 Speaker 1: in an area with no cell reception may not be 392 00:22:28,485 --> 00:22:30,845 Speaker 1: the smartest move I've ever made. And is an investigator, 393 00:22:31,565 --> 00:22:34,605 Speaker 1: so I make a judgment call. When he opens the door, 394 00:22:34,885 --> 00:22:38,205 Speaker 1: He's friendly and open, and I'm immediately at ease. Now 395 00:22:38,245 --> 00:22:41,245 Speaker 1: at that time, though I've got didn't selling the math 396 00:22:41,325 --> 00:22:44,005 Speaker 1: and stuff in my eyes, I've never could out with 397 00:22:44,045 --> 00:22:45,645 Speaker 1: my life. I bought it from other people and I 398 00:22:45,765 --> 00:22:47,725 Speaker 1: resettled it, you know. I mean, that's what I'm good at. 399 00:22:48,765 --> 00:22:52,405 Speaker 1: But JB now works on oil pipelines and has cleaned 400 00:22:52,485 --> 00:22:55,685 Speaker 1: up his act. However, he's pretty open about his days 401 00:22:55,685 --> 00:22:58,005 Speaker 1: as a drug dealer. So I had to say Rebecca 402 00:22:58,165 --> 00:23:01,885 Speaker 1: for to talk to her, and I don't know, I've 403 00:23:01,885 --> 00:23:03,645 Speaker 1: been a long time. And then she just showed up 404 00:23:03,685 --> 00:23:08,125 Speaker 1: at my house that week with and asked for sack weed. 405 00:23:09,685 --> 00:23:11,845 Speaker 1: And I didn't keep it at my house, so I 406 00:23:12,005 --> 00:23:13,965 Speaker 1: told her, you know, well I don't have any She 407 00:23:14,005 --> 00:23:15,805 Speaker 1: knew I did, and I always kept it like hiding 408 00:23:15,805 --> 00:23:18,365 Speaker 1: in a ditch or something, you know. Yeah, but uh 409 00:23:19,325 --> 00:23:22,045 Speaker 1: I actually had a stashing cooler out of the woods somewhere, 410 00:23:22,685 --> 00:23:25,005 Speaker 1: and uh so I told her she had to ride 411 00:23:25,045 --> 00:23:26,965 Speaker 1: with me out there, you know, to get it and stuff. 412 00:23:27,085 --> 00:23:29,525 Speaker 1: And uh well, I was walking out toward my vehicle 413 00:23:29,845 --> 00:23:33,765 Speaker 1: and I've seen some movement in her car. No, you 414 00:23:33,845 --> 00:23:36,645 Speaker 1: got something with you and she's like, yeah, uh it 415 00:23:36,765 --> 00:23:38,685 Speaker 1: told me, you know it was her boyfriend and dude 416 00:23:38,765 --> 00:23:42,885 Speaker 1: from Melbourne and stuff. Well, he can't sit here my 417 00:23:43,005 --> 00:23:45,125 Speaker 1: driveway in the car. You know, he's gonna have to 418 00:23:45,845 --> 00:23:48,805 Speaker 1: ride woods. And she's like okay, you know, and so 419 00:23:49,005 --> 00:23:50,965 Speaker 1: here right wood is that? You know. I don't think 420 00:23:50,965 --> 00:23:52,965 Speaker 1: he ever said a word. He just sitting the back seat. 421 00:23:53,085 --> 00:23:55,245 Speaker 1: Kevin mouth shut and went after and got to weed, 422 00:23:56,005 --> 00:23:59,205 Speaker 1: come back and they got their vehicle left and she 423 00:23:59,365 --> 00:24:02,845 Speaker 1: come back to next week. She's coming from wherever she's 424 00:24:02,885 --> 00:24:05,405 Speaker 1: living at the time, going to Melbourne to his place 425 00:24:06,405 --> 00:24:09,325 Speaker 1: and paid me my money is like, I don't know, fifteen, 426 00:24:09,405 --> 00:24:13,045 Speaker 1: twenty bucks, twenty five bucks one at I've heard these 427 00:24:13,125 --> 00:24:16,205 Speaker 1: rumors of Rebecca's drug debt, but fifteen or twenty dollars 428 00:24:16,325 --> 00:24:18,765 Speaker 1: hardly qualifies as a debt worthy of murdering your friend. 429 00:24:18,925 --> 00:24:21,685 Speaker 1: She said she's going to either drop some movies off 430 00:24:21,765 --> 00:24:24,365 Speaker 1: for rents and movies and then she's headed to Melbourne 431 00:24:25,565 --> 00:24:27,525 Speaker 1: and that was Do you remember if that was that 432 00:24:27,645 --> 00:24:30,445 Speaker 1: weekend that she like felt the weekend she before she 433 00:24:30,725 --> 00:24:35,125 Speaker 1: was murder day before. I would think it would have 434 00:24:35,165 --> 00:24:38,485 Speaker 1: been on like a Thursday or Friday, because because like 435 00:24:38,605 --> 00:24:41,525 Speaker 1: the next day I went to Cabot for the weekend. Right. 436 00:24:42,125 --> 00:24:44,085 Speaker 1: Cabot is a town on the outskirts of Little Rock. 437 00:24:44,365 --> 00:24:47,085 Speaker 1: It's about an hour and a half away, So I'm thinking, 438 00:24:47,165 --> 00:24:49,805 Speaker 1: you know, I would have went down there the party 439 00:24:49,885 --> 00:24:52,125 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. You know, it probably was a 440 00:24:52,205 --> 00:24:54,885 Speaker 1: Friday night when I went down there when I was 441 00:24:54,925 --> 00:24:58,405 Speaker 1: a cabbot. I was actually going down Highway five when 442 00:24:58,525 --> 00:25:01,285 Speaker 1: going up the big hill there at Graystow, and I 443 00:25:01,365 --> 00:25:04,165 Speaker 1: got a call from my wife, well my girlfriend at time, 444 00:25:04,885 --> 00:25:06,725 Speaker 1: and she's said, I want to know if i'd heard 445 00:25:06,725 --> 00:25:10,045 Speaker 1: of anything about Rebecca. And I was like no. She's like, well, 446 00:25:10,085 --> 00:25:13,685 Speaker 1: she's missing and everybody's looking for If you hear anything, 447 00:25:13,805 --> 00:25:16,565 Speaker 1: you let somebody know. I said, well, I so we'll 448 00:25:16,565 --> 00:25:18,125 Speaker 1: tell them that I've seen her, you know the other 449 00:25:18,205 --> 00:25:20,885 Speaker 1: day when she come down. You know, she's supposed to 450 00:25:20,885 --> 00:25:23,805 Speaker 1: be heading the Melbourne. It's the last that I heard 451 00:25:23,805 --> 00:25:27,365 Speaker 1: anything from her. And when did you start to hear 452 00:25:27,485 --> 00:25:29,885 Speaker 1: that like they might be looking for you for some reason? 453 00:25:30,125 --> 00:25:35,325 Speaker 1: The cops never never no, well, I mean I guess 454 00:25:35,325 --> 00:25:40,125 Speaker 1: I eventually did, but because uh, I think they. I 455 00:25:40,205 --> 00:25:42,325 Speaker 1: think they left a note or something at our house 456 00:25:42,525 --> 00:25:46,645 Speaker 1: or something anyway to contact them. And then we ended 457 00:25:46,685 --> 00:25:50,085 Speaker 1: up going up earlier to the station there in Mountain 458 00:25:50,125 --> 00:25:53,565 Speaker 1: View to talk to the state detective have been coming 459 00:25:53,645 --> 00:25:55,365 Speaker 1: from and take a lot of detective tests. And then 460 00:25:55,445 --> 00:25:59,765 Speaker 1: after that they involved me no more. I think they said, uh, one, 461 00:26:00,245 --> 00:26:02,045 Speaker 1: it wasn't that it fail, but it wasn't like that, 462 00:26:02,405 --> 00:26:04,645 Speaker 1: you know, it was just passed with flying colors or something, 463 00:26:04,725 --> 00:26:08,325 Speaker 1: you know, but they did so that they gave me 464 00:26:08,525 --> 00:26:11,645 Speaker 1: one anyway, They told me if they didn't think I 465 00:26:11,685 --> 00:26:14,085 Speaker 1: had anything to do with it as far as her dead, 466 00:26:14,605 --> 00:26:17,525 Speaker 1: but they knew to Christian front of my house, and 467 00:26:17,645 --> 00:26:19,525 Speaker 1: that's why they wanted to talk to me. And they 468 00:26:19,645 --> 00:26:21,845 Speaker 1: felt like he went over and done it and then 469 00:26:21,925 --> 00:26:24,685 Speaker 1: called me tocome helping clean it up because he was 470 00:26:24,725 --> 00:26:26,565 Speaker 1: too dumb to get away with what the hell I'm 471 00:26:26,725 --> 00:26:29,045 Speaker 1: about murder? You were cleaning it up, you know what? 472 00:26:29,165 --> 00:26:32,325 Speaker 1: I mean, I sell drugs. Yeah, well, and Rebecca was 473 00:26:32,365 --> 00:26:35,405 Speaker 1: my friend, so I wasn't you know that was messed up. So, 474 00:26:35,525 --> 00:26:39,365 Speaker 1: according to JB, Chris told the cops that JB killed Rebecca, 475 00:26:39,645 --> 00:26:42,965 Speaker 1: and I talked to him, I think one time after that, 476 00:26:43,085 --> 00:26:46,685 Speaker 1: because I went by a friend's house and they told 477 00:26:46,725 --> 00:26:49,805 Speaker 1: me that he was owre telling everybody that I was 478 00:26:49,845 --> 00:26:52,845 Speaker 1: the one that did that crap. And I told him 479 00:26:52,885 --> 00:26:55,165 Speaker 1: if they see him by guy again, tell him my 480 00:26:55,285 --> 00:26:58,885 Speaker 1: name Bonny. Never come out of his mouth again before 481 00:26:58,965 --> 00:27:01,445 Speaker 1: I go by punched him in the face. You know. 482 00:27:01,965 --> 00:27:04,205 Speaker 1: When JB found out what his former friend had told 483 00:27:04,205 --> 00:27:06,725 Speaker 1: the police, they had a major falling out and they 484 00:27:06,765 --> 00:27:08,925 Speaker 1: haven't spoken since. I mean, do you think Chris is 485 00:27:09,005 --> 00:27:10,765 Speaker 1: capable of doing it? If you had to guess, I mean, 486 00:27:11,085 --> 00:27:13,165 Speaker 1: I think he was capable of it. I mean, I 487 00:27:13,285 --> 00:27:15,285 Speaker 1: really don't see why he would. I mean because he 488 00:27:15,405 --> 00:27:18,125 Speaker 1: always told me that he grew up with her family. 489 00:27:18,685 --> 00:27:22,405 Speaker 1: They helped praise him and stuff like that. Chris maintained 490 00:27:23,005 --> 00:27:25,725 Speaker 1: very well for somebody that he was a needle. Yeah, 491 00:27:25,805 --> 00:27:28,125 Speaker 1: I mean, he didn't just get out there where he's 492 00:27:28,165 --> 00:27:30,765 Speaker 1: in a different world, like you know, the first guy 493 00:27:30,845 --> 00:27:33,925 Speaker 1: ever saying it was on a needle. He was out 494 00:27:33,965 --> 00:27:38,405 Speaker 1: there wreaking the field of rocks. Not only why I say, 495 00:27:38,485 --> 00:27:40,565 Speaker 1: Chris dinners if he's just gotten out there, you know, 496 00:27:41,085 --> 00:27:44,725 Speaker 1: but everybody made very suspicious to him because why would 497 00:27:44,765 --> 00:27:47,685 Speaker 1: he be saying that I did it? You know, there 498 00:27:47,765 --> 00:27:50,405 Speaker 1: was a rumorshire about his car. Chris and JB also 499 00:27:50,485 --> 00:27:54,405 Speaker 1: have another connection a car. Shortly before the murder, Chris 500 00:27:54,525 --> 00:27:57,445 Speaker 1: bought a white Chevy Lumina from JB's girlfriend. This car 501 00:27:57,645 --> 00:28:00,365 Speaker 1: was crushed shortly after the murder. About the fact that 502 00:28:00,485 --> 00:28:02,205 Speaker 1: like his car got crushed, because I'd heard that, I 503 00:28:02,245 --> 00:28:04,325 Speaker 1: went up to auto graveyard and everything, and I know 504 00:28:04,365 --> 00:28:06,685 Speaker 1: it was far less fear. I even went to the 505 00:28:06,725 --> 00:28:09,085 Speaker 1: auto graveyard to look for the car, but they told 506 00:28:09,125 --> 00:28:11,845 Speaker 1: me that it was long gone. Oh I mean, it 507 00:28:11,965 --> 00:28:15,085 Speaker 1: did disappear. He bought that car off my life, which 508 00:28:15,205 --> 00:28:18,005 Speaker 1: was my girlfriend at the time, and Chris wanted to 509 00:28:18,045 --> 00:28:20,365 Speaker 1: bias and she decided a town fly. I don't know, 510 00:28:20,525 --> 00:28:24,285 Speaker 1: thirty four hundred dollars she'd like, you know, I can't 511 00:28:24,325 --> 00:28:26,245 Speaker 1: even tell you one time I ever seen to drive 512 00:28:26,365 --> 00:28:28,325 Speaker 1: my car. He took it somewhere and that's where it 513 00:28:28,445 --> 00:28:31,005 Speaker 1: sat unless they got the brakes fixed. On that stuff. 514 00:28:31,125 --> 00:28:33,445 Speaker 1: I don't ever see driving a car rooming places. But 515 00:28:33,525 --> 00:28:37,885 Speaker 1: the car disappeared, KY wanna know about my DNAVN in 516 00:28:38,005 --> 00:28:40,365 Speaker 1: it if there would be any reason because it was 517 00:28:40,445 --> 00:28:43,125 Speaker 1: on its way back from Tennessee, that they located it, 518 00:28:44,005 --> 00:28:47,085 Speaker 1: and that the trump had blood all in it, and 519 00:28:47,645 --> 00:28:51,045 Speaker 1: they wanted to know for any reason my DNA being 520 00:28:51,165 --> 00:28:55,365 Speaker 1: it is Some people speculated that Rebecca's body could not 521 00:28:55,485 --> 00:28:56,725 Speaker 1: have been on the side of the road for a 522 00:28:56,765 --> 00:28:59,285 Speaker 1: week with no one finding it, that her body had 523 00:28:59,285 --> 00:29:01,605 Speaker 1: been kept somewhere and later moved to the dump site. 524 00:29:02,365 --> 00:29:03,965 Speaker 1: Could the body had been kept in the trunk of 525 00:29:04,005 --> 00:29:07,565 Speaker 1: a car My DNA in that car. The only place 526 00:29:07,605 --> 00:29:10,325 Speaker 1: that would be would be when I leaned across the 527 00:29:10,405 --> 00:29:13,765 Speaker 1: front of that car one time. Maybe some sweater or 528 00:29:13,805 --> 00:29:15,405 Speaker 1: hair fell off in the front, but that would be 529 00:29:15,445 --> 00:29:18,565 Speaker 1: the only time that the only way my DNA could 530 00:29:18,565 --> 00:29:21,365 Speaker 1: be in that car, because I've never wrote because when 531 00:29:21,445 --> 00:29:24,285 Speaker 1: she met her met that car didn't have no brasure 532 00:29:24,365 --> 00:29:28,325 Speaker 1: or nothing. See it's weird because if they're saying that 533 00:29:28,405 --> 00:29:30,285 Speaker 1: they found it in the trunk, had blood in it, 534 00:29:30,405 --> 00:29:34,405 Speaker 1: then why don't they have any DNA? I got pulled over. 535 00:29:36,565 --> 00:29:39,685 Speaker 1: I don't know, like a week or so after this, 536 00:29:41,445 --> 00:29:45,285 Speaker 1: I'd hit a deer within around this time frame, and 537 00:29:45,565 --> 00:29:47,925 Speaker 1: I put it photo back of my blazer and I 538 00:29:48,005 --> 00:29:52,365 Speaker 1: carried it over to my farm laws. Well I can't 539 00:29:52,445 --> 00:29:56,125 Speaker 1: think I mean, it killed a deer, but that I 540 00:29:56,245 --> 00:29:59,085 Speaker 1: cannot think of so much as a sin and drop 541 00:29:59,165 --> 00:30:01,645 Speaker 1: of blood come off at deer. And I get pulled 542 00:30:01,685 --> 00:30:04,605 Speaker 1: over like a week or so after this, and the 543 00:30:04,685 --> 00:30:07,325 Speaker 1: cops searched my my vehicle and they can find an 544 00:30:07,405 --> 00:30:10,965 Speaker 1: old can that had blood on it. I don't think 545 00:30:11,045 --> 00:30:13,005 Speaker 1: I was, you know, I just shiit this deer, you know, 546 00:30:13,605 --> 00:30:15,445 Speaker 1: and so they're gonna take it and check it to 547 00:30:15,485 --> 00:30:18,605 Speaker 1: safe ashement or not, which I reckon had come out 548 00:30:18,645 --> 00:30:21,805 Speaker 1: to be animal bloods. I never heard back from. But 549 00:30:21,965 --> 00:30:26,605 Speaker 1: I can't think of any time that where that blood 550 00:30:26,645 --> 00:30:29,125 Speaker 1: could have got on that from that deer. And I 551 00:30:29,245 --> 00:30:33,005 Speaker 1: got the strangest feeling one night like somebody had put 552 00:30:33,085 --> 00:30:37,445 Speaker 1: that in back of my blazer. So I just I 553 00:30:37,525 --> 00:30:40,125 Speaker 1: got rope. You know. It just seemed like everybody fun 554 00:30:40,285 --> 00:30:43,205 Speaker 1: there at Mace. I'll packed my crap up and I left. 555 00:30:43,245 --> 00:30:45,805 Speaker 1: I got out of there. I can just feel set 556 00:30:45,925 --> 00:30:48,165 Speaker 1: up coming. And I learned a long time ago, you 557 00:30:48,205 --> 00:30:52,205 Speaker 1: don't listen to your gut' you're you know you're messing up. 558 00:30:53,085 --> 00:30:56,205 Speaker 1: So after the murder, JB feels like everyone is pointing 559 00:30:56,205 --> 00:31:00,805 Speaker 1: their fingers at him, Chris the cops, so he does 560 00:31:00,845 --> 00:31:03,645 Speaker 1: what anyone might do. He gets out of town and 561 00:31:03,765 --> 00:31:07,285 Speaker 1: moves the way to work in Texas. Eventually he came 562 00:31:07,325 --> 00:31:10,485 Speaker 1: back to Arkansas, but he refuses to step foot in 563 00:31:10,525 --> 00:31:37,645 Speaker 1: Mountain View. We'll be right back. JB said that Chris 564 00:31:37,725 --> 00:31:40,205 Speaker 1: is staying with Cindy right now. We need to see 565 00:31:40,245 --> 00:31:42,565 Speaker 1: if we can confirm and address for her to see 566 00:31:42,565 --> 00:31:46,485 Speaker 1: if maybe they're extra cars that could be Chris's. I 567 00:31:46,525 --> 00:31:48,885 Speaker 1: don't know where Cindy's house is, but she's not hard 568 00:31:48,925 --> 00:31:52,125 Speaker 1: to find. She's a waitress at Anglers, the town's only 569 00:31:52,205 --> 00:31:56,405 Speaker 1: watering hole. Both Stone and Lizard Counties are dry counties. 570 00:31:56,925 --> 00:31:59,285 Speaker 1: The only place where you can buy a drink is 571 00:31:59,285 --> 00:32:02,685 Speaker 1: an Angler's restaurant on the White River. They have specials 572 00:32:02,765 --> 00:32:05,125 Speaker 1: like fried pickles and catfish and alligator on the men 573 00:32:05,165 --> 00:32:08,405 Speaker 1: unite and the owner kept two trout named Buttonwiser and 574 00:32:08,445 --> 00:32:10,885 Speaker 1: a temperature controlled tank in the front. You have to 575 00:32:10,925 --> 00:32:12,845 Speaker 1: walk through the gas station to get to the restaurant. 576 00:32:13,045 --> 00:32:16,005 Speaker 1: It's kind of hard to explain. So I know where 577 00:32:16,045 --> 00:32:17,965 Speaker 1: Cindy works, but it's not like I can just go 578 00:32:18,125 --> 00:32:20,325 Speaker 1: up and ask her if she murdered someone while I'm 579 00:32:20,405 --> 00:32:23,725 Speaker 1: ordering an appetizer. So it looks like it's time for 580 00:32:23,805 --> 00:32:27,845 Speaker 1: a stakeout. That night, Chad, Taylor and James head to 581 00:32:27,845 --> 00:32:29,325 Speaker 1: see if they can find out where she lives. Go 582 00:32:29,405 --> 00:32:32,725 Speaker 1: at dinner at Anglers, and then we'll we'll see if 583 00:32:32,765 --> 00:32:37,725 Speaker 1: Cindy's working, and if she is, then said eight to eleven. 584 00:32:37,805 --> 00:32:40,285 Speaker 1: Right now. The good thing is is I think she 585 00:32:40,445 --> 00:32:42,685 Speaker 1: was the only waitress wearing a black shirt. I think 586 00:32:42,765 --> 00:32:44,725 Speaker 1: I may have put down like at least like a 587 00:32:44,765 --> 00:32:48,645 Speaker 1: suspected address for her. Oh really, there's some people coming out. 588 00:32:48,685 --> 00:32:53,845 Speaker 1: Looks like dudes, but it looks like everyone's kinda a 589 00:32:53,885 --> 00:32:57,965 Speaker 1: lot of people leaven Yeah, no, further that way, that 590 00:32:58,005 --> 00:33:00,805 Speaker 1: would be helpful. I would just park as far down 591 00:33:00,845 --> 00:33:05,765 Speaker 1: as we can, close to that white van. Yeah, this 592 00:33:05,885 --> 00:33:08,805 Speaker 1: is a much better man. Oh yeah, because we can 593 00:33:08,845 --> 00:33:10,965 Speaker 1: see in the back way now. Yeah, I just saw 594 00:33:10,965 --> 00:33:14,765 Speaker 1: her walk by the cook you're the eyes. I'm gonna 595 00:33:15,325 --> 00:33:17,685 Speaker 1: get away a car. Yeah, I think we stay back. 596 00:33:17,725 --> 00:33:19,085 Speaker 1: I mean, at the very least we find out what 597 00:33:19,205 --> 00:33:23,125 Speaker 1: car she drives, go by tomorrow, get the plate grown up. 598 00:33:23,125 --> 00:33:36,405 Speaker 1: Maybe there's an address. It's seven. Now what do we 599 00:33:36,445 --> 00:33:39,405 Speaker 1: know about her? She's got two kids with Chris eighty three, 600 00:33:40,205 --> 00:33:43,445 Speaker 1: and they were together as soon as I mean less 601 00:33:43,445 --> 00:33:51,925 Speaker 1: than a year ago. Yeah, yep, just turn nine. That 602 00:33:52,005 --> 00:33:55,885 Speaker 1: must be the time everyone leaves. Yep, we got a 603 00:33:55,965 --> 00:34:00,125 Speaker 1: light out in the kitchen now, yeah, I mean the 604 00:34:00,205 --> 00:34:02,645 Speaker 1: good thing is is like in any direction she goes, 605 00:34:02,685 --> 00:34:05,205 Speaker 1: there's not really any like. I mean, she's gonna be 606 00:34:05,245 --> 00:34:08,565 Speaker 1: on that road for the next ten miles. Yeah, exactly. Oh, 607 00:34:08,725 --> 00:34:18,005 Speaker 1: black shirt, this does look promising. Nice nine twenty she 608 00:34:18,605 --> 00:34:23,445 Speaker 1: is knitting in something. Yeah, she's got Oh shit, stay down, 609 00:34:23,445 --> 00:34:28,885 Speaker 1: stay down. All right, there I go. She's in the 610 00:34:28,925 --> 00:34:33,565 Speaker 1: White Star. She's going right towards Oh no, she's going left. 611 00:34:34,925 --> 00:34:37,605 Speaker 1: She's going up towards Mountain View. Yeah. Yeah, let's go. 612 00:34:37,805 --> 00:34:42,005 Speaker 1: She's cooking. She's going pretty fast. Ye give my trying 613 00:34:42,005 --> 00:34:52,165 Speaker 1: to get my seat back up. Good. Yeah, we gotta 614 00:34:52,205 --> 00:35:00,525 Speaker 1: catch up. She probably knows these roads so well. Yeah, 615 00:35:01,165 --> 00:35:04,765 Speaker 1: and she's a small just go, go, go go. I'm 616 00:35:04,765 --> 00:35:08,445 Speaker 1: going That is a bit ship here, I got eighty 617 00:35:08,565 --> 00:35:11,725 Speaker 1: is forty five. Yeah, that looks like a car too. 618 00:35:12,725 --> 00:35:14,725 Speaker 1: Is that her? Or is that the truck? That might 619 00:35:14,765 --> 00:35:17,925 Speaker 1: be a truck go? But yeah, that's not her, man, 620 00:35:18,125 --> 00:35:21,765 Speaker 1: that's the truck. Was that truck behind her? No, the 621 00:35:21,805 --> 00:35:23,445 Speaker 1: truck was in front of her. If it was the 622 00:35:23,485 --> 00:35:27,525 Speaker 1: red truck, that was our our waitress. Yeh shit, then 623 00:35:27,605 --> 00:35:32,805 Speaker 1: that means it's since we turned off, she got the 624 00:35:32,885 --> 00:35:36,005 Speaker 1: fuck out of town. Didn't she keep an eye out too, 625 00:35:36,125 --> 00:35:38,405 Speaker 1: because like, maybe, shit, she could even live in a 626 00:35:38,445 --> 00:35:42,565 Speaker 1: house right off the road. That's true. White car in 627 00:35:42,645 --> 00:35:44,965 Speaker 1: that parking Oh shit, that house has a white car 628 00:35:45,085 --> 00:35:50,005 Speaker 1: right up front. It sure does. She fucking shook us, dude, 629 00:35:52,005 --> 00:35:54,845 Speaker 1: So the stakeout is a bust. We head back to 630 00:35:54,925 --> 00:35:57,285 Speaker 1: the cabin to open a bottle of bourbon and update 631 00:35:57,325 --> 00:36:01,005 Speaker 1: the murder board with what we know so far. I mean, 632 00:36:01,125 --> 00:36:04,205 Speaker 1: JB is the one person that has been like, I 633 00:36:04,325 --> 00:36:06,045 Speaker 1: didn't have anything to do with it, and let me 634 00:36:06,125 --> 00:36:09,765 Speaker 1: tell you everything I know. I know, yeah he has, 635 00:36:10,445 --> 00:36:14,205 Speaker 1: And I'm hopeful that as we talk to some more 636 00:36:14,205 --> 00:36:17,525 Speaker 1: of the core people, those names that are floating around, 637 00:36:17,725 --> 00:36:19,405 Speaker 1: I'm hopeful that more of them will be like that. 638 00:36:19,645 --> 00:36:22,325 Speaker 1: In this whole region, there's a huge drug problem, and 639 00:36:22,965 --> 00:36:25,925 Speaker 1: meth does make you do crazy things, and it really 640 00:36:27,325 --> 00:36:29,525 Speaker 1: something can start out as a simple robbery and it 641 00:36:29,645 --> 00:36:33,685 Speaker 1: just gets ratcheted up so fast as some psychotic, crazy murder. 642 00:36:33,965 --> 00:36:37,165 Speaker 1: You know, Chris, I mean everyone one thing everyone says 643 00:36:37,245 --> 00:36:38,885 Speaker 1: is that at that time he was really messed up 644 00:36:38,925 --> 00:36:43,085 Speaker 1: on drugs. He's a he's a sinister guy. Like he's 645 00:36:43,205 --> 00:36:46,125 Speaker 1: not a big guy, but he's got the look in 646 00:36:46,205 --> 00:36:48,525 Speaker 1: his eye something about it, like he's a scary guy. 647 00:36:48,685 --> 00:36:51,165 Speaker 1: I find him scary. No, he looks a lot tougher 648 00:36:51,205 --> 00:36:54,125 Speaker 1: than I actually had imagined. Oh he's tough. He'll fuck 649 00:36:54,125 --> 00:36:55,405 Speaker 1: you up in a second. He would, he would, he 650 00:36:55,445 --> 00:36:57,325 Speaker 1: would not think twice about hidding any one of us 651 00:36:57,365 --> 00:37:01,965 Speaker 1: in the face probably or words. Also, we've got to 652 00:37:02,085 --> 00:37:04,285 Speaker 1: just we can't say enough for stress enough. I feel 653 00:37:04,365 --> 00:37:07,205 Speaker 1: that once you add meth to the mix, not to 654 00:37:07,245 --> 00:37:08,965 Speaker 1: say these people are doing it, but even the potential 655 00:37:09,045 --> 00:37:12,245 Speaker 1: for people to be on meth like you're, the situation 656 00:37:12,365 --> 00:37:16,485 Speaker 1: can spiral out of control just so fast. I do 657 00:37:16,685 --> 00:37:18,885 Speaker 1: think that there's a lot of distrust at this point. 658 00:37:19,005 --> 00:37:22,325 Speaker 1: And also they might have gone through this before. I mean, 659 00:37:22,365 --> 00:37:26,445 Speaker 1: what JB went through was terrible. He was made to 660 00:37:26,525 --> 00:37:29,125 Speaker 1: feel like either we're gonna be charged. He was very 661 00:37:29,165 --> 00:37:31,445 Speaker 1: scared and worried. He was so freaked out by this. 662 00:37:31,565 --> 00:37:34,125 Speaker 1: And this is a big guy, you know, who's no 663 00:37:34,285 --> 00:37:36,165 Speaker 1: stranger to like dealing with the walks. He was dealing 664 00:37:36,205 --> 00:37:38,325 Speaker 1: drugs at the time. And this guy left town and 665 00:37:38,405 --> 00:37:41,325 Speaker 1: never came back. I mean, that's pretty telling. That's how 666 00:37:41,445 --> 00:37:43,485 Speaker 1: that's how freaked out he was. And if he was 667 00:37:43,525 --> 00:37:45,365 Speaker 1: that freaked out, then all these people have to be 668 00:37:45,485 --> 00:37:47,125 Speaker 1: at least that freaked out because they still live here 669 00:37:47,605 --> 00:37:49,965 Speaker 1: and this still could come back on him. But you're right, 670 00:37:50,045 --> 00:37:51,885 Speaker 1: that's I know that it's risky, but that's all the 671 00:37:51,965 --> 00:37:53,285 Speaker 1: more reason why you want to get out there and 672 00:37:53,325 --> 00:37:55,485 Speaker 1: clear your name, because if you don't and you still 673 00:37:55,565 --> 00:37:58,565 Speaker 1: live here, then it's just a matter of time. You're 674 00:37:58,565 --> 00:38:00,285 Speaker 1: just like waiting for them to shoot, to drop, for 675 00:38:00,325 --> 00:38:02,605 Speaker 1: them to charge you with something or something else to 676 00:38:02,645 --> 00:38:05,805 Speaker 1: get said. It's just it's just bizarre. What we have 677 00:38:06,205 --> 00:38:08,685 Speaker 1: is the fact that we're not the cops. We don't 678 00:38:08,725 --> 00:38:11,725 Speaker 1: automatically think everyone's bad and a criminal because they did 679 00:38:11,765 --> 00:38:15,405 Speaker 1: some drugs, and we only care about finding who did this. 680 00:38:16,245 --> 00:38:18,005 Speaker 1: All right, Well, I guess I should go on before 681 00:38:18,045 --> 00:38:21,085 Speaker 1: I drink like a bottle of bourbon without heart evidence, 682 00:38:21,285 --> 00:38:24,565 Speaker 1: we're really chasing ghosts. We need to get access to 683 00:38:24,605 --> 00:38:27,845 Speaker 1: the autopsy report and really dig into the scientific facts 684 00:38:27,845 --> 00:38:30,445 Speaker 1: of the case and talk to some experts to see 685 00:38:30,485 --> 00:38:32,805 Speaker 1: if we can clean any information that will help us 686 00:38:32,845 --> 00:38:37,165 Speaker 1: determine a potential motive and find the killer. And more importantly, 687 00:38:37,605 --> 00:38:42,965 Speaker 1: we have to find Chris. 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