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Speaker 1: What's up everybody, DJ, Bucky here, welcome to move the sticks.

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Speaker 1: Buck here in Lucas Oil Stadium for the NFL Scouting Combine.

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Speaker 1: How you doing man, man, I'm I'm great. Like obviously,

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Speaker 1: How do they handle the big stage. I'll never forget UM.

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Speaker 1: When I was in Chicago, Johnny Knox, Johnny Knox, and

429
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Speaker 1: all he did was in every game and goes to

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Speaker 1: the Texas versa nation, performed, came to the Combine. Nobody's

431
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Speaker 1: even talking to the kid performed, gets the NFL. He performed. UM,

432
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Speaker 1: So usually it translates that's fantastic when you're when you're

433
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Speaker 1: talking with these kids, I love to know kind of

434
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Speaker 1: what the go to question is where you feel like

435
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Speaker 1: you can actually get a meaningful answer and cut through

436
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Speaker 1: some of the preparation. Uh, that's out there. And the

437
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Speaker 1: reason I want to ask you about that it is

438
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Speaker 1: because I talked to a team when when Darius Leonard

439
00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,639
Speaker 1: was coming out, they asked him what would be a

440
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Speaker 1: successful rookie season, and they said he didn't stutter. He said,

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Speaker 1: first of all, I'm gonna take somebody's job, that I'm

442
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Speaker 1: gonna keep somebody's job. And then I'm gonna go to

443
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Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl. He had a three step plan that

444
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Speaker 1: presented the teams. But I'm always curious kind of what

445
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Speaker 1: your go to is there. You know, we've gotten to

446
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Speaker 1: where we've really turned it over to our coaches. Um,

447
00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,399
Speaker 1: when we're gonna dig into the you know, the personal

448
00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:04,879
Speaker 1: and the football character side of things, we're gonna go

449
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Speaker 1: spend time with them. I just think the more time

450
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Speaker 1: you spend with a player and and with anybody you're,

451
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Speaker 1: the better you're gonna know them. So we're gonna go

452
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Speaker 1: spend more time with them. But now what we are

453
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Speaker 1: able to get out of them is when when they

454
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Speaker 1: get into our interview setting, are we let our coaches

455
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Speaker 1: have all eighteen minutes of it now and they're gonna

456
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Speaker 1: present a play. They're gonna teach a play, They're gonna

457
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Speaker 1: watch the play. Then they're gonna watch some of the

458
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Speaker 1: prospects film and then they're gonna see if they can

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Speaker 1: repeat back what information they can repeat back. So just

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Speaker 1: their capacity to think on their feet, Um, you know,

461
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Speaker 1: how do they handle the information? Is there anything else that?

462
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Speaker 1: And some guys, guys will screw it up, they'll get nervous,

463
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Speaker 1: it'll be we'll be interview number ten and you know

464
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Speaker 1: a lot of information has been going through them and

465
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Speaker 1: they'll repeat something they hurt in another room. Um. But

466
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Speaker 1: it's a great it's really great insight from a coaching

467
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Speaker 1: and scouting perspective of just how they learn, what can

468
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Speaker 1: they retain? You know. So and it's always a estate

469
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Speaker 1: to me. And I always wanted to ask a Genlem

470
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Speaker 1: manager this. Um. So much of scouting where we risinly

471
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:09,080
Speaker 1: come from, is evaluating talent and individually putting talent together

472
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Speaker 1: as a team builder. How do you take a collection

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Speaker 1: of individual talent to build it in the right way

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Speaker 1: for the team to be successful. It's the hardest. I

475
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Speaker 1: think it's the hardest. That's the hardest thing we do.

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Speaker 1: You know. How do they fit, you know, into your

477
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Speaker 1: locker room? Um, we talk about it all the time

478
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Speaker 1: in Indian we're pretty selective. I mean, you know, we're

479
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Speaker 1: there always tell our guy we're in the elimination business. Um,

480
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Speaker 1: We're gonna eliminate the guys that we know don't fit.

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Speaker 1: And there's a very strict criteria that they have to

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Speaker 1: meet to get, you know, onto our draft board. And

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Speaker 1: we're gonna take them. Um. And there's a certain uh

484
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Speaker 1: from a football and personal football character and a personal

485
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Speaker 1: character standpoint that they have to have. Um, are they

486
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Speaker 1: all gonna be perfect? No, but they've got to be

487
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Speaker 1: in They've got to be able to fit into the

488
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Speaker 1: team concept. I mean, look, you know, in this league,

489
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Speaker 1: you know we want I mean look, I mean careers

490
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,160
Speaker 1: are short, so players you know, I'm all for them

491
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 1: getting you know, and doing the best they can can.

492
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Speaker 1: But I always try to explain to our players that

493
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Speaker 1: when your team does well and you do it within

494
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Speaker 1: the team concept, you're gonna do better. Also, two the

495
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Speaker 1: things I think pretty universal when you're watching teams around

496
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Speaker 1: the league and how you're building your teams. It's hard

497
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Speaker 1: to be a bad team with a great offensive line.

498
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Speaker 1: It's hard to be a bad team with a really

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Speaker 1: really fast defense. When you're looking at each side of

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Speaker 1: the ball, what are the things you guys are focusing

501
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Speaker 1: on trying to continue to build well? I mean look,

502
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Speaker 1: I mean we're always gonna be front driven. How I

503
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,680
Speaker 1: was raised in this league. I just think over time

504
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,199
Speaker 1: it shows. I mean, when you're good up on the

505
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Speaker 1: old line in D line, Um, it gives you a

506
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Speaker 1: chance to win every Sunday. Might not be pretty. It

507
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Speaker 1: might not be with the world always wants UM, but

508
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Speaker 1: it gives when you can block people and you know

509
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Speaker 1: you control the line of scripts, gives you a chance. UM.

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Speaker 1: And then from a from a standpoint, what was the

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Speaker 1: next question looking at the speed on the defensive side

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Speaker 1: of the ball. I mean, look, we're in a we're

513
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Speaker 1: in a sub defense world now, um, where you're playing

514
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 1: nickel and dime seventies seventy pent of the time. So

515
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Speaker 1: to me, speed allows you to make mistakes. So you

516
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Speaker 1: can make mistakes but still recover from it. And with

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Speaker 1: our like it was one of the things where you know,

518
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Speaker 1: we're playing in ideal conditions here in Indie. We've got

519
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Speaker 1: a great building, great surface to play on, so we're

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Speaker 1: gonna play to that, and we're gonna evaluate and try

521
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Speaker 1: to acquire as many fast players as we can. You know,

522
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Speaker 1: and thinking about that, you've been the league a long

523
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Speaker 1: time and the quarterback position has seemingly changed, where the

524
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Speaker 1: last year we saw athletic playmakers, guys that can make

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Speaker 1: plays with their feet and also being able to throw

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Speaker 1: from the pocket. When you look at the quarterback position,

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Speaker 1: has it changed the way you evaluate it because you've

528
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Speaker 1: seen so many mobile playmakers have success. That's a that's

529
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Speaker 1: really good and just I think if you go back

530
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Speaker 1: in time, let's go back, let's go back to Cordell Stewart,

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Speaker 1: what Pittsburgh did with Cordell. I think I think what

532
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Speaker 1: the good coaches in this league do is they adjust

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Speaker 1: to what So if you've got a special player, uh

534
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Speaker 1: um at the quarterback position, and maybe maybe he's not

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Speaker 1: in a traditional sense what we've we're all used to,

536
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 1: but he can make special plays on game day that

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Speaker 1: help you win. UM. When the offensive coaches can help,

538
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Speaker 1: when they can adjust to that, it's I mean, it's

539
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 1: critical for your success. And I think nowadays with way

540
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Speaker 1: college football is, you're seeing a lot more of it

541
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Speaker 1: um and we've got to adjust and our and our

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Speaker 1: coaches adjusted. The good ones do. One of the things

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Speaker 1: we've also talked about kind of the the Deebo Samuel impact.

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Speaker 1: You talked teams around the league right now trying to

545
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Speaker 1: find that guy. You've got one in Paris Campbell providing

546
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Speaker 1: can stay healthy. But just the the impact of having

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Speaker 1: somebody that Bucky almost used the term like a wingback

548
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:42,879
Speaker 1: is almost what you have somebody playing the slide you

549
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,159
Speaker 1: can put him in the backfield, you can do all

550
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Speaker 1: these different things with him, and the impact that can

551
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Speaker 1: have on an offense and the challenge for a defense, well,

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, you gotta prepare for him. And when

553
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Speaker 1: I was in Kansas City, we we had success with

554
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Speaker 1: it because I mean we took the Anthony Thomas who

555
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Speaker 1: was kind of playing that role, and then when we

556
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Speaker 1: first drafted Tyreek Hill, that was his role until he

557
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,160
Speaker 1: developed into a full time receiver. Um, but it does.

558
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Speaker 1: It puts a lot of stress on the defense when

559
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Speaker 1: you have a player that's got a unique skill set

560
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Speaker 1: and explosive skill set that the defense knows that I'm

561
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Speaker 1: gonna have to defend him from the backfield, from the

562
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Speaker 1: slot and then possibly outside, and he can also carry

563
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Speaker 1: the football. I mean, there's a lot of different elephants

564
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Speaker 1: that they have to you know, elements that they got

565
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Speaker 1: to prepare for, you know. On on on the flip side,

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Speaker 1: on defense, we're seeing more guys that can do more things.

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Speaker 1: Corners that can play inside, play Nickel's safeties that are

568
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Speaker 1: dropping into box and being quasi linebackers. DJ and I

569
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Speaker 1: have talked about position list football. When you look at

570
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Speaker 1: prospects are you really evaluating to seeing if guys have

571
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Speaker 1: versatile skill sets to do more than just that one position.

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Speaker 1: The the forty six man limits you to where on

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Speaker 1: game day they've got to be able to play multiple spots.

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Speaker 1: When when I got can only do one thing, it

575
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Speaker 1: really limits especially if somebody gets hurt. Um, So the

576
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 1: more they can do, the better it's gonna be. And

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Speaker 1: now and I think with the with the changing elements

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Speaker 1: you're seeing on offense, you talked about um, you know

579
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Speaker 1: Samuel and and being able to defend him. You know,

580
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 1: got being able to take a corner and move him

581
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Speaker 1: inside to defend him. Uh. For linebackers that are athletic

582
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Speaker 1: and fast enough to be able to handle him, you know,

583
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Speaker 1: when they try to get those matchups. I mean, at

584
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Speaker 1: the end of the day, that's what it is, matchup league,

585
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Speaker 1: and you gotta be able to match up at every spot.

586
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Speaker 1: And the more a guy can do, the better better

587
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 1: for you, especially on game day. Last one I'll let

588
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Speaker 1: you run with asked everybody that's come through here because

589
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 1: you go back to your road dog days as a scout. Um,

590
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Speaker 1: just a favorite scouting story that you have there on

591
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Speaker 1: the road. We've heard We've heard stories about keys locked

592
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: in your car at games. Uh, people getting lost in

593
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 1: all types of ways. We had the trees at Berkeley

594
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Speaker 1: when we had the folks living up on the trees

595
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Speaker 1: during those years. Uh, just a fun scouting story back

596
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Speaker 1: from the old days. Oh god, I guess so many.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we were just talking about the one at

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Speaker 1: Tu Lane, about the map, because you know, we didn't

599
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Speaker 1: have phones and and we didn't have maps on our phones,

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Speaker 1: and we'd use a map for everything. And I left

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00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: the hotel at seven thirty and didn't get into two

602
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 1: Lane till eleven thirty in the morning. And how long

603
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,439
Speaker 1: shouldn't have taken It should have taken me five freaking minutes.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it was unbelievable, my ignorance reading a map,

605
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 1: and then I'm calling the secretary, going, I can't find it.

606
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 1: Look for the baseball statium. I can't find the baseball stadium.

607
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's crazy. So good, Chris, we know what

608
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: you're business. Thank you guys being such great host. Appreciate

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00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: all right, appreciate it. But great to catch up with

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Speaker 1: with Chris Ballard. And I love what he said when

611
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Speaker 1: you talked about speed allowing you to be wrong on

612
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: occasion and got time to be right because you've got

613
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Speaker 1: the speed to get there. And I think that's a

614
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: great way to put it when you're trying to evaluate

615
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,360
Speaker 1: these defensive players. We've talked about it. You and I've

616
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: talked about it on the podcast on multiple occasions. We've

617
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: talked to other general managers about I distinctly remember Thomas

618
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: dimetro Off talking about the pursuit of urgent athletes trying

619
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Speaker 1: to put more speed on the field. Uh, it makes sense.

620
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Speaker 1: It speaks to what you and I have talked about

621
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Speaker 1: position list football on the defense of the ball. And

622
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Speaker 1: when Chris talks about being able to erase mistakes, what

623
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: he's saying is a player can make the wrong read. Uh,

624
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 1: maybe a little late with his instincts, but because he's

625
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 1: such an explosive athlete, he can still make the play.

626
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: And because they play inside, because they play on a dome.

627
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 1: You want to build your team to match your stadium

628
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 1: building for the surface, Yeah, you build it. You put

629
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Speaker 1: a fast team together like it changes, particularly on the

630
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: defense side of the walls. Yeah. I think that goes

631
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,439
Speaker 1: back to really build Pollian. When you look at the

632
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 1: team you were around there with the Buffalo Bills, how

633
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: he built that team for that weather and what they

634
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: did to then come in here with the Colts. Look

635
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 1: at the edge rushers that they built here with Matthews

636
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: and Freening. Just just get some speed and use that

637
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: surface to your advantage. Yeah, you absolutely. I mean they're

638
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: guaranteed to have at least eight games of nice weather

639
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: n conditions if you consider the Houston Texas. So so,

640
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: now when you're building your team, and we've always talked

641
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Speaker 1: about you have to build your team to win the division.

642
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: Will you're taking the account the home field and those

643
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: things that you may be challenged with on the road.

644
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,239
Speaker 1: A fast team in that division certainly plays well. All

645
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: It's great to catch up with those general managers. Now, uh,

646
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: let's get to these tight ends. When you look at

647
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: this group, Buck, we've got your top five list here.

648
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: Why don't you roll through those five names and then see, um,

649
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: if you can't highlight one or two of these guys

650
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: and what you're looking for this week? So here here

651
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: he goes. We talked about the position being a matchup position.

652
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: All these guys have the potential to create these mismatches

653
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,239
Speaker 1: that we look for. Co commit from Notre Dame as

654
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: a guy that big, big dude, He's number one on

655
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: my list. Hunter Brian from you Dub Harrison Brian from Florida, Atlantic,

656
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: Adam Troutman from Daton who showed up really really well

657
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl, and then Jered Pinckney from Vanderbilt.

658
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: To me, the guy that stands out is obviously the

659
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: Notre Dame standout. When you watch him on tape, so big,

660
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 1: so massive, such a red zone weapon, does a great

661
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: job catching the ball with his hands, moves well for

662
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: you guys, you're talking about six five six six, He's

663
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: very athletic. I think he can be a guy that

664
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: also can help you in the blocking game. I think

665
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: those tight ends are really valued, commanded, harder to find,

666
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: hard to find. And I'm not calling him Rob Gronkowski,

667
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: but think about the impact that Rob Gronkowski had on

668
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: the pages, his ability to create mismatches in space while

669
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: also being a dominant player in the run game. It

670
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: just changes the way defense have to defend you, no doubt.

671
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: And when I look through that list, I have commit

672
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: h Harrison, Bryan, Adam Troutman kind of is my top three.

673
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: I have committ at the top those other two. I

674
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: mean I'm really sorting those three guys out and getting

675
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: a chance to see uh commit here in person, see

676
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: him move around will be big for me. Somebody's a

677
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: closer on the baseball team. He hasn't even been fully

678
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: devoted to football. He's got a frame. He's gonna be

679
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: able to carry two hundred and seventy pounds when it's

680
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: all said and done, to earn seventy five pounds even

681
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: he is huge, So tremendous upside with him. But I

682
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: think what we saw at the Senior Boat between Harris

683
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: and Bryant and Adam Troubling their mismatched players did. Both

684
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: of those guys are terrific. And I'll talk about Brian first.

685
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: Brian is someone that we we saw in the regular season.

686
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: I had to do the preview on for a couple

687
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: of Conference USA games and you can see him stand out.

688
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: He's a guy that is really a big slot receiver.

689
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: I mean he's big, he's athletic. We saw at the

690
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl he consistantly created separation, was really a nice playmaker.

691
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: And then when you go to Troutman, I think Troutman

692
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: is your classic y. I was pleasantly surprised with his

693
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: route runnability, the way that he calls passes down into

694
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. It shows up on tape, but I felt

695
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: like he is a sticky blocker and that is really

696
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: his selling point. He's a blocker plus hard to find

697
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: those guys in the draft. Let's get to your your tackles.

698
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: Here are your top five tackles. Man. I love this

699
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: tackle class. I'm really excited about what they will do.

700
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: Starting with Jedrick Wills Alabama, Tristan Worse from Iowa, Andrew

701
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: Thomas at Georgia, McKay Beckton from Louisville, and then Josh

702
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: Jones from Houston. I think there's something unique about each

703
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: of these players. When I look at Wills, Wills is

704
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: really a natural right tackle. I know, we get caught

705
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: up in these labels right tackle, left tackle. I think

706
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: what I like about him, he's consistent. I think he's

707
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: a high level consistent. There. I don't it doesn't matter

708
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: to me which side he plays on. I think he's

709
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: going to have success. And then the guy who's really

710
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: the buzzca backed in from one that you're beginning to

711
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: hear his name six seven plus in the scouting community,

712
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: and anybody who goes on YouTube sees the videos that

713
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: are out there on YouTube on the Twitter verse when

714
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: you see him just kind of moving around their basketball

715
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: videos of him. Great athlete and so that past protector,

716
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: particularly on the blind side, you wanted to be a

717
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: dancing bear. He has all of that. And then something, Yeah,

718
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: he's a definition of a freak. And Jedrick Wills consistent

719
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: as anybody you know, I have him as my as

720
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: my second guy, you have him as the first guy.

721
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: I think that's a He's a great football player who

722
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: protected to his blindside there on the right side, just

723
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: doesn't get beat. He's twitched up, he can roll his hips,

724
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: he can climb up to the second level in the

725
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: run game, does a lot of things that you really

726
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: love there. And then the one you know I struggled

727
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: with early on, Josh Jones there from Houston was a

728
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: little bit of an acquired taste for me. It wasn't

729
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: as high on him early on uh first day at

730
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, he struggled, and then he really put

731
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: together a strong rest of the thought he was the

732
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: best guy down there leading into the game. And when

733
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: I went back and Washington buck Well, He's not what

734
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: we would say real urgent or explosive. At the end

735
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: of the day, you're paid to do one thing to

736
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: keep your man from the quarterback, and that's what he

737
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: did very well. He did do that. That will and

738
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Speaker 1: I think it would be interested in, particularly down at

739
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: the bottom of the first round, uh, which teams would

740
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: view him as an acceptable fit. We saw last year

741
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: with Dillard going to the Philadelphia Eagles, a guy who

742
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: we talked about, Hey, you know, he's really more of

743
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: a pass protective How does that work? Well? The Eagles

744
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: solve value in that because of the way that they

745
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: run their offense, and so I think the same thing

746
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: with Jones talking about being an acquired taste. I think

747
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: he is a bit of an acquired taste. Um, but

748
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: he's tasty for those teams like Yeah, Tristan Worths is

749
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: another one. I think it's gonna he's gonna have a really,

750
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: really impressive time showing his athleticism out on the field.

751
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: I wrote him up as a tackle, not as a guard,

752
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: not because I don't think he can play tackle. I

753
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: think he can be functional out there and can be

754
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: a good player. I just saw somebody with the strength

755
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: in his hands and having some issues overset adding I

756
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: thought you were limited all those issues. If you give

757
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: him a neighbor on each side, put him at guard,

758
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: and he could be an all pro. But teams are

759
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: different on that in terms of what position he'll play. Yeah,

760
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 1: it's funny. I really liked him when I watched him

761
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: on tape. I felt like at the right side, like

762
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: he does a great job of selling and controlling the edge.

763
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: And once again, I think with all of these guys,

764
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: is not necessarily just ranking him for the talent, but

765
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: how do they fit? And certain teams I could see

766
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: having a reshuffling of the deck based on how these

767
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: guys fit. I think worse in the run game. I

768
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: think his value is really in the ringing. I think

769
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: he's really really solid and we know IOWA alignment our technicians.

770
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 1: They do a really good job of playing well and

771
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: playing for a long time in the Nation Football League.

772
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: Al right's get to your interior guys here. Switch over

773
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: to the interior guys. I got it Lloyd Cushionberry from

774
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 1: L s u uh Tyler. I'm gonna miss his name

775
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: up by by Dads. I gotta look it up to

776
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: by dads from Wisconsin, the Timmy Moody from Fresno. Bill,

777
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: you're supposed to bear a Wisconsin guy, you know, Matt

778
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: Hennessey from from Simple and then Robert Hunt from Louisiana. Um,

779
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: I think the guy that stands out to me. I'm

780
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: not gonna talk about the top guys, but Muti from

781
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: Fresno State. Now not just medical man, it is here.

782
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, and here's the debate that you and

783
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 1: I can have when I great players, I try to

784
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: discount the medical. I try not to put that in

785
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: because if we were on the road, that's what we

786
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 1: would do. The medical wouldn't affect our initial grades at

787
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 1: the number. You put letters on it the end of

788
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: the end, and then we'll let the doctors and the

789
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: medical people, uh determine that. But when I look at

790
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: him on tape, Man, you talk about it mean big

791
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: joker that likes to throw people at the club. He

792
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: is physical at the point of attack, does a great

793
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: job of really controlled controlling that interior. Um, I don't know.

794
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: I think it depends on how they claim on the medical,

795
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 1: but in terms of on the tape, he's a dominant

796
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: play at the point of attack. Yeah. Again, it's just

797
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: a it's a laundry list of medical sort through. But man,

798
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: he is very physical and very talented and I'm glad

799
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,760
Speaker 1: you put Robert Hunt on here from Louisiana, Uh, Louisiana,

800
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: Lafayette out there. He plays tackle. I wrote him up

801
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: as as a guard. I think you played guard. I

802
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: think you play center as well. He another one with strong,

803
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: heavy hands. Man. When he lands his hands is over.

804
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: It is absolutely over. And he does a good job

805
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 1: of shocking people. I think the notable omission on this list,

806
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: and I've heard about it. Uh, what are you standing on?

807
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: This is our ruise. He's my top guy. Of all

808
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 1: the guys you have here, he'd be number one on

809
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: my list. He I had a tough time with him

810
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 1: because I saw a guy that was on the ground

811
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: a lot, and I just had a tough time, like

812
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 1: I felt like he was overextended. I felt like he

813
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: had the ground a lot. And it may have been

814
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: the games that I watched. I just didn't get a

815
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: great sense of him being like an elite player. And

816
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: I heard it from his agent. His agent sent me

817
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: a little text like, Hey, where's my guy? And I

818
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: was like, hey, I didn't see a special player at

819
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: that position. Yeah, I mean Buck, I saw him on

820
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 1: the ground too, but usually his man was underneath him

821
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 1: and he picked him back up and after you put

822
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 1: him down. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

823
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: That's scouting. That's what scouting is. Man, he trust me,

824
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: I've had I've got one general manager buddy that loves him,

825
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: and I've got one general manager buddy that hates him.

826
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: How it works, I had a tough time. Like you

827
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 1: watched the three games, then you put it down, you

828
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: go work out a look at Yeah, you know, I

829
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: just couldn't get fired up about him. Maybe he'll show

830
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: me something at this that it kind of brings. But

831
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 1: are you with me? And that I do not have

832
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: any interior lineman. If it works would be the exception,

833
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: depending on what you think of him. If he's a

834
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: guard tackle, he's a top twenty pick. I don't have

835
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: a first round uh player on the interior. No, it

836
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: was hard. It was hard to get excited. And what

837
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 1: made it even more difficult when you called around you

838
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: couldn't get a consensus from anybody. You're like, hey, who

839
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: do you like on the inside? Any of these guys

840
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: that's you value as a first round pick, and I

841
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 1: couldn't get that consensus. So you're right, Worse has more

842
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: value as a guy that would be a transition a

843
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: conversion player, more so than some of these guys that

844
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 1: have played a position for a long time. All right, Buck,

845
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: We're about done here. Just a final impression here from

846
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,720
Speaker 1: our real first full day of work here in Indianapolis.

847
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: You know, I think the big thing here is just

848
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: getting ready for the event. Um. The one thing that

849
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: always stands up to me or stands out to me.

850
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,240
Speaker 1: How do guys handle the interview part of it, especially

851
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: when we're talking about the quarterbacks? How did they handle

852
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: that part? Are they presidential? Can you see them being

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Speaker 1: franchise because that's the expectation that used to be the

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Speaker 1: expectation for the quarterback position. How did those guys handle

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Speaker 1: themselves behind the mic? And I just think look free

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Speaker 1: agencies coming up even before the draft, and every team

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Speaker 1: is trying to do the same thing. You're trying to

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Speaker 1: add more talent to your team. And I feel like

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Speaker 1: this week, you know, with getting Tamposey on the show

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Speaker 1: like to go shopping from my players at places that

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Speaker 1: I respect and have been successful. Now she hasn't had

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Speaker 1: that luxury. She's been with you around the NFL group,

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Speaker 1: but I don't hold that against her, and to bring

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Speaker 1: her into the fold here and see somebody just flourish,

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Speaker 1: you know, and they know what I like about her.

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Speaker 1: I think she's embraced the championship standard that we've established here.

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Speaker 1: Like sometimes when you come from a program where you

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Speaker 1: haven't had a lot of success and you're trying to floundering,

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Speaker 1: you're you're a fringe playoff team. But she is kind

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Speaker 1: of embraced. I think that might be the new England

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Speaker 1: Patriots in her. She has joined the Patriots, and so

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Speaker 1: I think she's she's fully on board. The only thing

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Speaker 1: I just thinking of was having her working with us

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Speaker 1: here in Indianapolis. I'm here going like, I don't listen

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Speaker 1: to that show, but I've heard she doesn't have a

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Speaker 1: prominent role, and I'm like, seriously with that group, like

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Speaker 1: she's not the star. Like you've got to be able

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Speaker 1: to evaluate your own roster before you can go out

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Speaker 1: and evaluate another one. Absolutely, like player deployment like you

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Speaker 1: have to understand your player, understand your person oel. That's

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Speaker 1: the that's the first lesson when it comes to team

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Speaker 1: building in and actually coaching, like you know what your

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Speaker 1: players can do, give them opportunity to do that. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well that's our final thoughts here from the combine. Uh

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Speaker 1: here Lucas oil Buck getting excited for these interviews or

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Speaker 1: for these uh for these workouts down here on the field.

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Speaker 1: We cannot wait. I hope you will join us on

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Speaker 1: the coverage here. You can find us on NFL Network,

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Speaker 1: get to it. So thank you guys for checking us out.

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