1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome 2 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: back to the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always 3 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: so much for tuning in. That's our super producer, Casey Pegram. 4 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: That's our guest producer Andrew Howard. Uh they called me 5 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 1: Ben because that's my name. Today's episode is about bar none, 6 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: my favorite fruit. It's your favorite fruit, absolutely Okay, so 7 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: we're gonna have to get into you know, your your 8 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: top five. I have to ask pineapple is the fruit 9 00:00:56,040 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: in question today? Long been considered a sign of of affluence, 10 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: you know, throughout history. I'm a big fan of pineapple. 11 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: Tub but how do you like it? It It seems like 12 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: an awful lot to harvest a pineapple and it's you know, 13 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 1: raw form. Yeah, so there there are a number of 14 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 1: ways you can prepare. Oh your knowl that's me so there. 15 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: There are a number of ways that I personally like pineapple. 16 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 1: I'll put it in smoothies. I'm a person who buys 17 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 1: the whole pineapple and then does the cutting boring thing. 18 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,279 Speaker 1: You know. Um, I've made pineapple upside down cake before. 19 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: I'm not a big cake guy, but my mom loves it. 20 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: What about you? Where does pineapple sit in your hierarchy 21 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: of fruitst Well, first, really really have to ask you 22 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: do you have a designated pineapple machette? But you have 23 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 1: to use for because it's I mean it's like a 24 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: it's like hacking into a coconut. Man, it's just got 25 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: the spines, and I mean it's scary looking to me. 26 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: How do you go about this? Yeah, I use a 27 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: I use a typical kitchen knife and you slice off 28 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: the sides and then you can do a little old 29 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: twist top thing with that stalk, which is always fun. 30 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: So maybe I'm making a little bit more out of 31 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: it than it really is. Probably not as dangerous of fruit, 32 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: perhaps as I have have have envisioned or perhaps had 33 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 1: nightmares about. I'm not scared of pineapple, Ben, I don't 34 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: want anyone to think that going in. I love pineapple. 35 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: I guess I'm just more of a dull pineapple rings 36 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: in the can kind of guy. But you're right, fresh 37 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 1: pineapple is absolutely delicious. Love a pineapple upside down cake, 38 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: very good in a smoothie. Love it as a frozen 39 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: yogurt topping. You know, a little kind of chunked up pineapples, 40 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: you drop a little bit on that with some of 41 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: that syrup and it's absolutely chef's kiss um. Pineapple for 42 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: me is probably I like strawberries the best, and then 43 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: I would say pineapple is probably three second. I like, 44 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: you know, mixed berries, like a like a blueberry raspberry 45 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: what blueberry type situation you know, as far as smoothies, 46 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: But clearly pineapple is much beloved by not only yourself, Ben, 47 00:02:56,680 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: but uh, historical royals throughout you know, time immemorial. Yeah, 48 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: it's crazy when you think about it, because if you 49 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 1: live in many places in the world, you can stroll 50 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: to your local grocery store and get a pineapple for 51 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: a pretty low price. But back in the day, the 52 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 1: best way to say it is, having a pineapple was 53 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: much more like having a Rolex Rolls Royce than it 54 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: was like having having ingredients for a smoothie or a 55 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: yogurt topping. And that's something that baffled us. Pineapples were 56 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: a symbol, and there's still a symbol today in certain 57 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: cultures for certain things. But for about two and a 58 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: half centuries, about two hundred and fifty years, pineapples became 59 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: a symbol of luxury, of opulence. If you really wanted 60 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: to flex on someone. Never mind your military insignia or 61 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: your signa ring just dropped by, you know, go by 62 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: the the next ballroom gathering with a pineapple on your arm. Yeah, 63 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: you know, maybe like hat some sort of chained to 64 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: it so you can wear it around like a handbag. Um, 65 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: it's definitely an accessory in that respect, right, it's like, hey, 66 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: look at me, I have a pineapple, so the way 67 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: people maybe flex their tesla's or something these days. But 68 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: the history of the pineapple is really fascinating. One Christopher 69 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: Columbus brought you know, in the same way he quote 70 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:23,359 Speaker 1: unquote discovered America. Right, Okay, let's not hot take Christopher 71 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: Columbus here, we're not here for that. But you know, 72 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: he wasn't really looking for America. He just kind of 73 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: stumbled upon it, which I guess counts is discovery. But 74 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: he also sort of stumbled upon the pineapple um in 75 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 1: that it was something that was available exclusively in South America, 76 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: wasn't something you'd find in Europe. Um. So he, during 77 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: his you know, numerous voyages to the New World, brought 78 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: them back to Spain and it became very very popular because, uh, 79 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: there's some descriptions of the flavor we're gonna get into 80 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 1: that I find not only a little uh kind of 81 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: cringe e, but just it's just kind of shows where 82 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: people's heads were as far as these things and the 83 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: flavor profiles in general at the time. But also you know, 84 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 1: they were beautiful kind of right. They're very arresting looking fruits. 85 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: Like I said, for me, I maybe interpreted that as 86 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: sort of like like danger. But yeah, it definitely is 87 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: like something that you know, has a design equality to 88 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: It's got a certain symmetry and I kind of like 89 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: this you know, scaly uh skin, and then the like 90 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: the way the top kind of bunches up into these 91 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: you know, weird little sprigs. And people were taken with 92 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: it visually, and it became the subject of a lot 93 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: of paintings and still live people were incorporating into design 94 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: features and carving wooden furniture, and like you said, Ben, 95 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 1: it even became like an insignia for some houses, you know, 96 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 1: or families of of great opulence and also a sign 97 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: of hospitality that you might see even today in some 98 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: older you know, manner esque hotels. Yeah, yeah, that's exactly it. 99 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: I do want to start from the offset, saying that 100 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 1: this will end up being more than one episode at 101 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: least our exploration of the pineapple. We consider this fruit 102 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: unique because it is it's the only edible bromeliad, right, Like, 103 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: I don't think you should give yourself a tough time 104 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: about feeling like maybe the pineapple is a little bit 105 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 1: intimidating because the pineapple is the only food known to 106 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: contain something called bromelion. You know how they say like 107 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: citric acid can have an effect on you on your 108 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: mouth if you eat too much. Pineapple does have citric acid, 109 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: but it also has this enzyme that literally digest protein. 110 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:50,239 Speaker 1: So it can hurt to eat this because that enzyme 111 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 1: when you're eating pineapple is digesting the inside skin of 112 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 1: your mouth. That wow, I've never thought about that. Is 113 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: this something that maybe certain people might be more affittible 114 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: two or more sensitive to I've never noticed that. Well, 115 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: you know, I wonder too if this is something maybe 116 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: there's a pineapple allergy. But I'm wondering also if maybe 117 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: it's a it's a thing where you have to be 118 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: moderate in your enjoyment. Maybe there's a cumulative effect totally. 119 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: It's sort of like when you when you say that 120 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: sweet and low gives you cancer, It's like, well, maybe 121 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: it gave some rats cancer when they fed it to 122 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: them NonStop for like weeks on end, right exactly. Not 123 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: to say that you shouldn't be wary of your sweetener choices. 124 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's a you know, it's it's all 125 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: about moderation and context. Yes, for the humans of the audience, 126 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: for fretty rast in the audience, completely different situations, but 127 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: everybody so. So the thing is, we we talked about 128 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: how pineapples are relatively inexpensive. Now, so the average cost 129 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: for a pound of pineapple in the US is usually 130 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: gonna be around two dollars and seventy five cents, which 131 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: is not bad. But in the time period we're talking 132 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: about today, ridiculous historians, a single pineapple costs the equivalent 133 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: of eight thousand dollars. And I've never I don't know 134 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: about you, man, but have you ever seen those They're 135 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: these fruits in Japan, various types that are enormously expensive, 136 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: including like melons that are purposely grown in sort of 137 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: a rounded square shape, and and they look good. I mean, 138 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: I don't I don't object to melons, but I certainly 139 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 1: don't want to spend hundreds of dollars on fruit, So 140 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: to me it's mind boggling that someone would spend eight 141 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: thousand dollars. But as you'll see, they were not really 142 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: buying the fruit itself. They were buying the idea that 143 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: are represented the idea of being expensive and elite. I 144 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,719 Speaker 1: would argue that pineapple might be like the n f 145 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: T of of this era. You know, maybe they're they're 146 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: buying the concept of like ownership that they can like 147 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: flaunt and say this is mine and the only I 148 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: can eat it, and you can't have any. Yeah, yeah, 149 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: maybe that's not a bad comparison. This is the thing. 150 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: If you travel to an older hotel or even a 151 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 1: newer one, you next time you do, because I know 152 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:27,599 Speaker 1: we all want to start traveling again. Next time you 153 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: travel and you find yourself at a hotel, look around 154 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: the lobby, look around your room, and you might just 155 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: find a picture of a pineapple somewhere nearby. Why is that? Knuel? Yeah, 156 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: I mentioned at the top of show the idea of 157 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: especially in like kind of more classic, you know, manner 158 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: style hotels, you might see this being more prevalent because 159 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: it would be literally a holdover from you know, when 160 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 1: it was originally a very popular insignia of hospitality, before 161 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: it even became a symbol of this great wealth or whatever. 162 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: But you're right, man, I mean it's almost like one 163 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,439 Speaker 1: of those things where even newer hotels will will kind 164 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: of sneak it in almost as a nod to the 165 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: history of you know, the hospitality industry. Right, Yeah. Yeah, 166 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:14,719 Speaker 1: it's a complicated symbol. The more we unpack it, we 167 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: know that the pineapple, as you said, Noel, has function 168 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: originally in the West as a kind of symbol of 169 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 1: hospitality instead of royalty. But it also has a lot 170 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 1: of it's got a lot of dark stuff wrapped up 171 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 1: in that symbolism to centuries of pillaging and colonization. It's 172 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 1: also a newcomer, relatively speaking to the European sphere. Up 173 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:48,439 Speaker 1: until what the fifteenth century or so, pineapples were unknown. 174 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: People of course, in South America enjoyed the pineapple. It 175 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,559 Speaker 1: was very familiar fruit. If you went to Brazil at 176 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: this time, you would have seen it and people would 177 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: have known about it for hundreds and hundreds of years. 178 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: But it wasn't until crystal ball Cologne. This is one 179 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: of those facts you learn about him in school that 180 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: was actually true. It wasn't until Cristal ball Cologne. Christopher 181 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: Columbus came face to face with this fruit in fourteen 182 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: ninety three when he and his crew discovered a Caribbean 183 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: village that consumed pineapple. So unlike North America, this is 184 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: something that he actually did discover for Europeans. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 185 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: and I get we give we give Christopher Columbus a 186 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: bit of a hard time, you know, probably because of 187 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: the light genocide stuff, But we discussed all this. I 188 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:40,719 Speaker 1: think this is a pretty well established There's also a 189 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: great episode of The Sopranos. I'm sorry I keep harping 190 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:45,439 Speaker 1: on The Sopranos on all of our shows lately because 191 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: I just recently wrapped my bi annual rewatch. But there's 192 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: one particular episode called Christopher that was actually written by 193 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: Michael Imperiola, who plays the character Christopher on the show. 194 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: But it's about the Christopher Columbus Parade in New Jersey 195 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: and and the kind of a turf war that developed 196 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: between the Italian American population in Jersey and the Native 197 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: American population who obviously think Christopher Columbus as a monster. Uh. 198 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 1: And they literally have like a clash in the streets 199 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: and like the Native American contingent are burning effigies of 200 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 1: him and stuff, and it ends up like a slush. 201 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 1: He gets thrown at somebody and and and you know, 202 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 1: just all hell breaks loose. Yeah, and that's that's based 203 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: on a real thing. There was a segment of the 204 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: Italian American population who felt that Christopher Columbus was a 205 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: very important part of their cultural history was being unfairly malied. 206 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: That's exactly right, and that's what the episode goes into. 207 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: So it's a lot about identity politics and things. It's 208 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 1: it's a little ham fist. It doesn't hold up quite 209 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:49,559 Speaker 1: uh as as well as one might hope, but it's 210 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: definitely an interesting time capsule. And I forget the guy's name, 211 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: but we've talked about this in other episodes of Ridiculous History. 212 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: And forgive the sidebar, but the gentleman who plays the 213 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: single tier crying Native American figure in the famous recycling 214 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: you know campaign, which was essentially started by the big 215 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: corporations to convince you know, regular consumers that pollution was 216 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 1: their fault. Uh, that guy's not even Native American he's 217 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: actually Italian. Um. And that comes up in the episode 218 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,319 Speaker 1: where they're trying to like blackmail the Native American group 219 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 1: by saying, we're gonna we're gonna blow the lid off this. 220 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: We're gonna tell everybody that your guy isn't actually Native 221 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: American at all, he's Italian like us. But it turns 222 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 1: out that everyone pretty much already knows that. But you're right, 223 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:35,199 Speaker 1: then let's just give him credit where credit is that 224 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: he did, you know, essentially stumble across the pineapple. But 225 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: isn't it a situation where it was like they were 226 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: offered either like a dish containing human flesh or a pineapple, 227 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,599 Speaker 1: and they chose the pineapple. Is that a myth? It 228 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: seems a myth, like, well, it's it's um, let's say 229 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: it's an historical legend, because there's not documentation proving that. 230 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:04,319 Speaker 1: But yeah, the story goes that the crew was offered 231 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: two choices. They could have pineapple or they could have 232 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 1: a stew, and the stew contained human body parts. So 233 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: they went for the pineapple, probably with a little bit 234 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: of a little bit of hesitation. But then as they 235 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: had a bite of this delicious fruit, they said, this 236 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: is amazing, and they stocked up on pineapples and brought 237 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: them back, as you said, to Spain, where it's spread 238 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: throughout the aristocratic classes. And this is where the idea 239 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: of pineapples becoming synonymous with or symbolic of hospitality comes from. 240 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: It comes from those trips to the Caribbean. According to 241 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: the World Encyclopedia of Food, travelers would go to these 242 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: islands and they would discover that if someone in the 243 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: native community had a pineapple hanging by the door, they 244 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: that meant that they would welcome strangers. This was a 245 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: house it was okay to visit. And uh, you know, 246 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: they talked about this, played the game and telephone and 247 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: these trips back in New York. So by the time 248 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: they finally get off the ship on the return trip 249 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: to Europe, they have cemented in their minds the idea 250 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: that a pineapple is sort of a high class symbol 251 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: of hospitality. And royalty loved this, by the way. Yeah, 252 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: and then even it goes even further. During colonial times, 253 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: sea captains would mark their return home by spearing a 254 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: pineapple on a fence post. Uh, and it kind of 255 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: gave a sign to the friends and family of the 256 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: captain that he was home safe and were prepared to 257 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: receive visitors right, right. And this explains something that I 258 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: had always had a question about. Remember, in many places 259 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: where I've traveled, I would be walking up to a 260 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: building and there would be these pillars or columns that had, 261 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: to my mind, in explicably had pineapples carved somewhere on 262 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: the pillar or somewhere at the top of the column. 263 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: And this is like a well known addition to entrances, 264 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: at least in the world of architecture. So it literally 265 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: made a mark in stone upon numerous cultures throughout the world. 266 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: Let's talk about pineapple mania. I think it's I don't 267 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: think it's hyperbole to call it that. So Christopher Columbus, 268 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: he comes back from his second voyage to the America's 269 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: in and he's brought along a bunch of cool stuff. 270 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: He's got pumpkins, he's got tobacco, he's got tomatoes, he's 271 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: got a couple of really chill parrots. But most importantly, 272 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: he has pineapples. And I don't think he had any 273 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: idea how popular these would become, right, he just had 274 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: them kind of tossed in there with all the other stuff. 275 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: Parents are never chilled open by the way. Parrots are 276 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 1: always aggressive, and they stare deeply into your soul and 277 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: they see you, they see the darkness inside of you, 278 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: and they want to to come at you. I feel 279 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: like I feel like it depends on the parrot. I've 280 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: known some just like people. I've known some wonderful parrots 281 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 1: and some just monsters staring into the abyss, my friend 282 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 1: the abyss stairs back. Sorry I have I'm triggered by parrots. Um. 283 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 1: But yeah, the pineapples were a huge deal. So the 284 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,880 Speaker 1: King of Spain, Ferdinand the Second, ended up being kind 285 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: of the standard bear for this first wave of pineapple craze. Right, 286 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:37,360 Speaker 1: we talked about the hospitality stuff that was to come 287 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: a little bit later. Um, this is the very first 288 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: time anyone is seen a pineapple. And we're not joking 289 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: when we say a pineapple, because all of those other 290 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: pineapples did not survive the voyage. They apparently got wet 291 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: and rotted and dissolved into a disgusting, sticky morass, you know, 292 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: in the cargo hold. But one prized pristine I kind 293 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 1: of doubt it was entirely christine, but comparatively edible pineapple 294 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: made its way into the hands of this king, and 295 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: he absolutely loved it. He shot down because an account 296 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 1: of his his tasting by Peter Martyr, who is a 297 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 1: tutor to the Spanish princess, so presumably someone he'd known 298 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 1: since he was a young prince, and he kept in 299 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 1: those confidences or whatever. This is what he had to say, 300 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,439 Speaker 1: you know, reporting on the report that Ferdinand gave of 301 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:34,239 Speaker 1: this very first tasting of the pineapple. And I don't know, 302 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 1: mileage may vary, but I found this a little odd. 303 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: The most invincible King Ferdinand relates that he has eaten 304 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: another fruit brought from those countries. It is like a 305 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 1: pine nut in form and color, covered with scales, and 306 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: firmer than a melon. It's flavor excels all other fruits. 307 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: Herd degree. Yeah, no, actually, you know, this isn't the 308 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 1: This is not the account that made me squirm. That's 309 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 1: that's gonna come a little later. This one is really fine. Yeah, 310 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: but it helps. It helps address something that will will 311 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 1: also examine in this episode. Of course, a pineapple is 312 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: neither a pine nor an apple. As I said, it's 313 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:13,679 Speaker 1: the only edible type of bromeliad, which is why it 314 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: kind of eats you as you eat it, which is 315 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: cool to think about. But yeah, so this also sidebar 316 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 1: for the record, I have to say in my top five, 317 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 1: I would also include cherries. And I think I know 318 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: the reason why. You guys remember those uh little fruit 319 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:34,479 Speaker 1: cups you would get grown up, yeah, yeah, yeah, and 320 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 1: they had they had their own kind of hierarchy of fruit, right. 321 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: There would be a lot of like melon or cancel 322 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:42,439 Speaker 1: open there and you would get maybe like one or 323 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: two pieces of cherries, a couple of pieces of pineapple. 324 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: So I think I like them because of their scarcity. 325 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 1: They're scarcy. But we're talking Marischino cherries here, right then, 326 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: not like black cherries are like, you know, proper red cherries, right, 327 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: But I like the I like those two. I don't 328 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: want big cherry to feel like we're playing them to 329 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:04,199 Speaker 1: the left. But you you are right, there's one we 330 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 1: must assume at least semi edible pineapple. The King is 331 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:13,360 Speaker 1: ecstatic about it, and everyone hears about it, because I'm 332 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: sure for a few weeks it's like one of the 333 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: main things he talked about, you know what I mean. 334 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 1: He's like, all right, we'll send the tomatoes to my 335 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: least favorite members of court. So one other thing they 336 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: really liked about the pineapple in Europe was its form. 337 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: They loved that the fruit was spiky. Keep in mind, 338 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 1: you know, they would have lost their minds over dragon 339 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: fruit and light chi and stuff like that. I'm sure. 340 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 1: But Ferdinand has this envoid of Panama. His name is 341 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: Gonzalo Fernandez de Ovi do Valdes, and this guy wrote, 342 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: I do not suppose that there is in the whole 343 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 1: world any other of so exquisite and lovely appearances. My 344 00:20:55,480 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: pen and my words cannot depict such exceptional qualities, nor 345 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: appropriately blazing this fruit so as to particularize the case 346 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:10,880 Speaker 1: fully and satisfactorily, without the brush or the sketch. So 347 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:16,120 Speaker 1: this guy is like so effusive about the pineapple that 348 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 1: it takes him to some sort of meditative joy beyond words. 349 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 1: I feel like maybe that's exaggerating a little. I mean, it's, 350 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: you know, the the the condition known as Stendall syndrome 351 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 1: where you're like overcome emotionally and sometimes sexually by beautiful 352 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: art in a gallery. This just seems to me like 353 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: if there's a name for that that you could apply 354 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: to fruit, that is where this dude is going through 355 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 1: right here. I mean literally, I feel like he was 356 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:48,160 Speaker 1: about to, you know, go into some sort of ecstatic 357 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 1: fugue states right, well, you know, we don't. We don't 358 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 1: know because we just have the letter and all. So 359 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: maybe he put down the pen and spend some mental 360 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,959 Speaker 1: time with the idea of the pineapple because he may 361 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: not have been able to well, he would have had 362 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:07,439 Speaker 1: one because he's in Panama. So another thing about pineapple pineapples, Okay, 363 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: another thing about pineapple that is really attractive to the 364 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 1: Europeans is that it is so incredibly sweet. We have 365 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 1: to remember that they didn't have access, like the vast 366 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: majority of the population didn't have access to cane sugar. 367 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: The idea of common sweets wasn't really a thing in 368 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: Renaissance Europe for for most people. And if you like, 369 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 1: if you thought, if you're saying, well, they have fruits, 370 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 1: and fruits are sweet, keep in mind those were seasonal, right, 371 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 1: so there were times of the year where you couldn't 372 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: have something sweet and the pineapple like it's almost like 373 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: I was thinking of a comparison. So there's this really 374 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: great moment. There's not a big spoiler in Stephen King's 375 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: the Dark Tower novels where for the first time, Roland 376 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 1: the Gunslinger, who is the it was a protagonist of 377 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: the series for the first time ever in a book 378 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: called The Drawing of the Three, he tastes soda and 379 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: he loses his mind because it is so sweet and 380 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: he can't do anything but have that, as you said, 381 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: kind of stendal syndrome experience. And that's what happened to 382 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:26,159 Speaker 1: a lot of Europeans. It may have literally been the sweetest, 383 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: tastiest thing he had ever encountered. Well, sure, and if 384 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,439 Speaker 1: you're you know, taste buzzs are trained to eat like 385 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: bland food or you know, I mean, even like seasoning 386 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: was sort of like hard to come by for some people, right, 387 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 1: So I mean again, I don't want to over generalize here, 388 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,199 Speaker 1: but definitely something to the degree of sweetness that a 389 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:49,199 Speaker 1: pineapple achieves, um, and also sugar being really hard to 390 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: come by, like you said, it would have been absolutely 391 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 1: mind blowing in in in the literal sense like that 392 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 1: you know, your your mechanics, your your equipment. Let's just say, 393 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,479 Speaker 1: you know, I have never experienced anything like this before, 394 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: and so you're just like absolutely bowled over. And I 395 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: want to go back to one thing and ask your 396 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: your opinion about this ben. One of the first description 397 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: we read, which was by the Spanish Prince Tutor Guy, 398 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: mentioned that it was like a pine nut. And I 399 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 1: actually made some homemade pesto the other day and I 400 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 1: really enjoy the taste of pine nuts. I was snacking 401 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: on a few of them before I made the pesto. 402 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:26,919 Speaker 1: It is that it has a very earthy taste. But 403 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: I've never really thought of a pineapple having a particularly 404 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: nutty taste, but I just wanted to do that was 405 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: something that you connected with or if if you think 406 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 1: cold boys off base, well you know there are I 407 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: was looking into this too because for us, for many 408 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:44,880 Speaker 1: of us in the modern day, you know, you've had 409 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:49,880 Speaker 1: pine nuts before you've had pineapple. Aside from the phrase 410 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: pine there's it doesn't seem like there's a ton to 411 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: compare them with. But there are a lot of recipes 412 00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: that use pineapple and pine nuts together to eight effect, 413 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: like saute pineapple with hunting and pine nuts. You can 414 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 1: make I haven't made this yet, but you can make 415 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: a pineapple and pine nut torch. I'm seeing that now. 416 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: As I googled that, I was seeing if there was 417 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 1: some long lost connection, but I don't think that's the case. 418 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,679 Speaker 1: But it does seem as though the flavors are complementary. 419 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 1: There's a pineapple uh and pine nuts pie. There's all 420 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: kinds of nice looking stuff. That's a really interesting idea. 421 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: I might give that a try. Okay, right on, that's 422 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: really cool. There's another thing, though, so we know that 423 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:44,199 Speaker 1: we know that other other types of produce followed a 424 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 1: similar path, you know what I mean In that something 425 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 1: from what we call the America's today made it across 426 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: the Atlantic and amazed and fundamentally change the cuisine of 427 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 1: some European countries, right like the potato in Ireland or 428 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: the tomato in Italy. The pineapple became this breakout beatles 429 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: level star of of this agricultural era. But it didn't 430 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: do it alone. If pineapple is the worst comparison don't 431 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 1: make today. If pineapple is like the the John Lennon 432 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: of this craze, then there's another thing that's kind of 433 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: like the George Harrison. And that's another trend that was 434 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: occurring at the same time that made pineapple even more successful. 435 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:38,679 Speaker 1: The widespread dissemination of the written word and the Paris 436 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 1: Review has an excellent piece on this called The Strange 437 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 1: History of the King. Pine Books had been around since, 438 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: you know, at least the mid four hundreds in this 439 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: area of the world, but in the sixteenth century we 440 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: saw an estimated one hundred and thirty million new books 441 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: flooding Western Europe, and people in this age of seafaring exploration, 442 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 1: we're also more literate. So you would see of course 443 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 1: scholars and monks and you know, the historical versions of 444 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,640 Speaker 1: nerds like us writing about stuff. But you would also 445 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: see sailors saying, let me tell you about these shores 446 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: I've seen undreamt of beyond the horizon, the civilizations, the 447 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: floor of the fauna. Let me amaze you. And this 448 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,479 Speaker 1: kind of genre of story became popular. Everybody was reading 449 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,160 Speaker 1: this stuff, and when they were reading that, they were 450 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:42,160 Speaker 1: often reading about pineapple too. Uh. We have so many 451 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,919 Speaker 1: effusive descriptions. I feel like we can throw them around. 452 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 1: They it's funny because they get a little crazy. I say, 453 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 1: this is a huge fan of pine apple. But for me, 454 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 1: some of these descriptions are still things that make me say, okay, 455 00:27:55,720 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: hold on, gen de Lery, pump your brakes little when 456 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,880 Speaker 1: you're saying, maybe's new new bit of fruit in the universe. 457 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: It's a little hyperbolic. Not gonna lie. And here John Parkinson, 458 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: who was a royal botanist to Charles the first he's 459 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: the one who had my kind of most cringe inducing 460 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 1: a description. He wrote this down in a tone called 461 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: the theatrum botanic um, which sounds very very official, and 462 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 1: he referred to the pineapple as being scaly like an 463 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 1: art to choke, but so sweet and smell tasting as 464 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: if wine, rose water and sugar were mixed together. I 465 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: don't I don't know why do you feel me on 466 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 1: that a little cringe? I don't know why. It's something 467 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: about the wine, sugar and rose water and just the 468 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: words smell being in there, and also art to choke 469 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: and scaly. I don't know why there's a combination of 470 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: those things put me on edge. I feel you, man. 471 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 1: I mean the one that got me was Charles Lamb 472 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: who gets a little not safe for work. But this 473 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 1: is a family show. We can read this part. Here's 474 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: how he describes the pineapple pleasure boating on pain from 475 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 1: the fierceness and insanity of a relish like a lovest 476 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: kiss she might, which scientifically it is kind of true 477 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: because that enzyme is partially digesting your flesh when you 478 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: eat it. But he didn't know that. He was just 479 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: getting real weird with it. Yeah, man, there's some people 480 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: getting real wound up over the pineapple here and and 481 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: again Family Show quick content warning. I'm not gonna be 482 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: explicit about it, but it is a thing. You hear 483 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: that supposedly pineapple makes certain things taste better. Uh. Yeah, 484 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: and then while we're while we're pg. Thirteen a little bit, 485 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: Uh pineapple, the symbol of the pineapple has come to 486 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: mean uh, certain things about relationships for certain parts of 487 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 1: the West, certain uh, non conventional relationships. But uh, but 488 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: be as it may. I think we've made our case 489 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 1: that people loved, loved, loved pied apple with like no 490 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 1: criticism whatsoever. So now we get to the turn where 491 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: we have to ask ourselves, how did they become just 492 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:27,239 Speaker 1: so closely associated with prestige and luxury? How did they 493 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: become the Rolex or the Rolls Royce of produce. Well, 494 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: it's true that they weren't the only they were far 495 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: from the only new kind of plant life being brought 496 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: to Europe. But we we get a pretty interesting take 497 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 1: from Dr Lauren O'Hagan at Cardiff University's School of English 498 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 1: Communication and Philosophy, and Dr O'Hagan points out that the 499 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 1: pineapple came into European culture is sort of a tabula rasa. 500 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: You know, it didn't have any of the associations of 501 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: other related fruits that had existed for centuries untold in Europe. 502 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: So that's that's part of why uh it had that 503 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 1: strange name, because they were like, I don't know, is 504 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 1: it uh, is it an apple or is it like, uh, 505 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 1: let's just call it an apple. The apple thing is 506 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: purposeful too. There's a little bit of marketing there, because 507 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 1: if you're a Western European at this time, Noel, what 508 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 1: do you most immediately associate an apple with? Oh? Yeah, 509 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 1: like you know, Lucifer and whatnot and and and the 510 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: fall of Man and and all that you know, and 511 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 1: what woman the whole stories macgonal kinds of issues. Um, 512 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 1: but yeah, the forbidden fruit, eating of the forbidden tree, 513 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: lured by the fucking tongue of of Satan. Yeah. Yeah. 514 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 1: And the thing is that for anybody remembers the sketch 515 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: show The Stay eight, they have a great sketch where 516 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 1: it's a bunch of very loud caricatures of Italian American 517 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 1: people saying, oh, it's not in the Bible. Penguins, penguins 518 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: eight in the Bible, you can't go watch the penguins 519 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 1: at the zoo. The pineapple was in a weirdly similar 520 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 1: position because it wasn't mentioned and any other documents these 521 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 1: folks would have been aware of. It wasn't in the Bible, 522 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 1: wasn't in the works of the Greeks and the Romans. 523 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: So because it was a completely blank page, the people 524 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 1: who add access to this fruit, the ruling class, could 525 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: put their own meaning upon this. And fran Bowman writes 526 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: about this beautifully in her book The Pineapple. I don't 527 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 1: know about anybody else, but my book collection is filled 528 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: with reference works on very specific things. I love them. Man. 529 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 1: I have a book that's entirely about salt. It's amazing. 530 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 1: Same guy wrote a book about Cod. I gotta get 531 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: this pineapple book, The Okay Cod You lost me at Cod. I. 532 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 1: Although I'm sure it's a fascinating history of the Cobb. 533 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 1: It salt again. It's like the spice in Dune, you know, 534 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: I mean there's like so much that goes into salt 535 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: and resource extraction and like worrying over like this thing 536 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 1: that is ultimately just to make our food taste a 537 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 1: little pop a little bit more, you know. I Mean, 538 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 1: there's other uses for salt, but it's it's weird. It 539 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 1: is kind of one of those things where it's like 540 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 1: it is at the end of the day, probably most 541 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 1: useful as a food additive, not for any health reasons. 542 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: It's actually bad for you. It just makes things taste 543 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 1: a little better. It's a flavor enhancer, I guess, God Ben, Yeah, 544 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: but no, you're right. The Pineapple book obviously, I mean 545 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 1: we're getting two episodes out of this. We're already almost 546 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: forty minutes in on part one, so there is definitely 547 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: a quite fraught relationship that we as a species have 548 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 1: with the pineapple. Yeah. Yeah, that's the thing. Marketing comes 549 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: in here. No, I'm telling you got to check out 550 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,239 Speaker 1: this book, Salt Mark Klanski. I got a copy. I'll 551 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:05,239 Speaker 1: leave I'll leave it in the office for you. Just 552 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 1: one other people to read these weird reference books, all right, 553 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 1: So pineapple, Yeah, you're right, marketing, there's an opportunity here 554 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: for the ruling class, because we have to remember the 555 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 1: monarchs at this time, we're absolutist. Their word was pretty 556 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 1: much the same as like the word of God on earth. 557 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 1: So they decided to kind of shape the image of 558 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 1: the pineapple for their own purposes. There was a French 559 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 1: priest named Father di Terte who was probably the first 560 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 1: to bless pineapple as the quote king of fruits. And 561 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,959 Speaker 1: by the mid six hundreds this was a really well 562 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 1: known popular image. And we're going to give you a 563 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 1: quote here and then we're gonna explain, uh, something that 564 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 1: might be might be a little confusing, especially to English speakers. 565 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 1: A French physician named Pierre Pome talks about the pineapple 566 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 1: this way. He says, it was thought of just appellation 567 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 1: to call the ananas the king of fruits, because it 568 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,799 Speaker 1: is much the finest and best of all that are 569 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 1: upon the face of the earth. It is for this 570 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 1: reason that the King of Kings has placed a crown 571 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 1: upon the head of it already kind of has a crown. 572 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 1: I mean the king of King's talking about God. God 573 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 1: crowned the ananas, which, by the way that you know, 574 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 1: banana is hard enough and us no one's going to 575 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,799 Speaker 1: say that out loud. It also sounds a whole lot 576 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 1: like an us um. But yeah, it's that's perfect. It's crowned. 577 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 1: It has a crown, right, obviously it's the best. Yeah, 578 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 1: I think ananas is a fun word to say, but 579 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 1: you're right, no, it's It could be a little dangerous 580 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 1: pronunciation wise. If you are an English speaker is not 581 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 1: acquainted with the story, you might be a little confused. 582 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,880 Speaker 1: You might be saying, what the heck is nanas? Do 583 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 1: you mean bananas? Smart guys? Uh? No, Oh, ananas is 584 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 1: actually the much more common phrase or word for this fruit. 585 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 1: If you are speaking Arabic, German, Dutch, French, Greek, Hebrew, Hindi, Swedish, Turkish, Esperanto, 586 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:26,400 Speaker 1: you're probably going to use the phrase ananas for pineapple. 587 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 1: And that's that's so weird, Like why did we as 588 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 1: English speakers call it pineapple instead of just going with 589 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 1: ananas like pretty much everybody else. Okay, I don't know 590 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 1: how why this didn't occurred to me, and I have 591 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,440 Speaker 1: the whole pine nutt thing. It looks like a pine cone, 592 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,839 Speaker 1: a pineapple looks like a pine cone. It does. That's 593 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,400 Speaker 1: a very good call, Yes, it does. Um, and I 594 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 1: think that might have been why on his expedition to 595 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 1: Guadalupe in Columbus and his crew referred to them as 596 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:03,320 Speaker 1: pina the Indies, which literally translates to pine of the Indians, 597 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 1: because it looked like a well it's it says in 598 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 1: the source that we found um looked like a pine tree. 599 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:15,719 Speaker 1: It looks like a pine cone of a pine tree. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 600 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,840 Speaker 1: the plant itself doesn't look like a pine tree, but 601 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:24,480 Speaker 1: the pineapple looks kind of like an enormous pine cone. So, 602 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:29,400 Speaker 1: because Columbus was on a Spanish mission, the Spanish language 603 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 1: still use the shortened form of this, so they just 604 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:37,319 Speaker 1: said peanuts, which is another kind of dangerous pronunciation work. 605 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:43,279 Speaker 1: Uh so, what do you want peanuts? Right entirely up 606 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 1: to you. But the reason so many other languages used 607 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:53,880 Speaker 1: anon us is because they're taking the name given to 608 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 1: the fruit by the indigenous Toopi people of South America. 609 00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 1: Anon Us in that language means excellent fruit, which is 610 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,759 Speaker 1: also great marketing. Uh. There are, of course, there are 611 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:09,719 Speaker 1: a few other languages that use some derivative of pineapple, 612 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,560 Speaker 1: but only when they've imported it from English. So I 613 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:18,920 Speaker 1: believe Japanese is like pinea peru or pineapperu. We're not 614 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 1: Japanese speakers, and the Welsh have something derived from that 615 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:32,279 Speaker 1: as well. But uh yeah, excellent fruit or pineapple. Do 616 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:36,399 Speaker 1: we know when people first started calling a pineapple in English? Well, 617 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,240 Speaker 1: then the thing is, the word pineapple is actually already 618 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 1: very commonly used in the English language before people started 619 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,280 Speaker 1: referring to the fruit as as that. It was first 620 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:52,400 Speaker 1: used in thirteen uh and it was used to describe 621 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:57,239 Speaker 1: ding ding ding, what we now call pine cones. The 622 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,359 Speaker 1: term pine cones itself wasn't actually used in that way 623 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:06,240 Speaker 1: until six Yes, they took something that was already working 624 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,840 Speaker 1: and just said okay. They essentially said, okay, that's a 625 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,839 Speaker 1: pine cone too. You can just eat this one a 626 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 1: little bit more easily. Yeah. Yeah. And it's funny because 627 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:24,440 Speaker 1: in some conversations with our pal Gabe, we're trying to 628 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:28,440 Speaker 1: figure out why the English language just stuck with pineapple 629 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,360 Speaker 1: as as you said, No, the word was already extant, 630 00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:36,840 Speaker 1: you know, in the English language. But the ultimate reason 631 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 1: might be a little bit of a superiority complex. English 632 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:45,279 Speaker 1: speakers might just think their own language was better than 633 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,840 Speaker 1: other languages, which is not really based on facts. So 634 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:53,160 Speaker 1: much as it is opinion. But that's why ananus is 635 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:58,040 Speaker 1: so it can be so confusing. An honest and pineapple 636 00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,960 Speaker 1: are very much the same thing. And if we go 637 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,560 Speaker 1: back to the symbolic representation, aside from the question of 638 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 1: what's in a name, I love, I love, love love 639 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:14,880 Speaker 1: the idea that someone thought God itself had purposely made 640 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:19,000 Speaker 1: a crown on this pineapple to let everybody know it's 641 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:24,160 Speaker 1: the king of fruits. And this was actually as innocuous 642 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:28,040 Speaker 1: and funny as it seems. This did something that was 643 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:34,400 Speaker 1: a little bit of clever, dangerous propaganda, because the idea 644 00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 1: that anything with a crown had been appointed by Heaven, 645 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,920 Speaker 1: whether it's a fruit or a person, became an argument 646 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:49,799 Speaker 1: for the divine right of kings. Also, you know, probably 647 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,759 Speaker 1: easier to like get behind a pineapple than some sort 648 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,520 Speaker 1: of despot. You know. It's like, I love the way 649 00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,960 Speaker 1: this pineapple taste. This is making my life better, the 650 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,560 Speaker 1: fact that it's so sweet and delicious and and fragrant um, 651 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:06,319 Speaker 1: and it's also crowned. Okay, I guess if the pineapples, okay, 652 00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,040 Speaker 1: I'll apply that same respect to this king. If I must. 653 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,520 Speaker 1: If the pineapples on board, then who are we to oppose. 654 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,800 Speaker 1: This is where we get to, you know, the obvious 655 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:21,239 Speaker 1: dext step because monarchists, though they may have been the 656 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 1: ruling parties of several European countries, we're very much, uh, 657 00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,800 Speaker 1: in a weird way, they were very much on board 658 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,719 Speaker 1: with Carl Marx's idea of owning the means of production. 659 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:35,880 Speaker 1: They said, why are we shipping all these things here? 660 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,840 Speaker 1: Let's try to grow them. They did not meet with success. 661 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,880 Speaker 1: As you know, pineapples need a tropical climate to thrive, 662 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:49,600 Speaker 1: so Europeans, despite their efforts, Uh, they were unable to 663 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,560 Speaker 1: grow pineapples at home. That's right. And um, a lot 664 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,000 Speaker 1: of this stuff we're going, I think, I think we're 665 00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,839 Speaker 1: in a really good place to transition to part two. 666 00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,960 Speaker 1: A lot of the stuff of the kind of low 667 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,920 Speaker 1: long game of the pineapple in Europe and it's it's 668 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,840 Speaker 1: proliferation to the rest of the of the world, um, 669 00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,240 Speaker 1: is covered in that episode and addition to some really 670 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:14,200 Speaker 1: interesting politics around the pineapple and some weird historical flexes 671 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,319 Speaker 1: around the pineapple as well. But yeah, you're exactly right, then, 672 00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,799 Speaker 1: very very difficult to cultivate. That's why it was so 673 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,799 Speaker 1: rare and uh, and precious because you had to get 674 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,479 Speaker 1: them from the source, and you know it was not easy. 675 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:31,040 Speaker 1: They didn't have like ship giant shipping containers in refrigeration, 676 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,680 Speaker 1: and it was a very arduous voyage. And like we said, 677 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,279 Speaker 1: from the first one, only one survived. So I'm sure 678 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:43,440 Speaker 1: the demand far outweighed the supply. Yes, that's correct. Uh everybody, 679 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:47,080 Speaker 1: go enjoy a pineapple and be sure to tune in 680 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,839 Speaker 1: for part two, where we will examine what happened when 681 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:57,719 Speaker 1: Europeans finally kind of got the hang of cultivating pineapples. 682 00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,319 Speaker 1: It's it doesn't go the way you might ex fact. 683 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,960 Speaker 1: Uh No, we have talked about this off air, and 684 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:07,279 Speaker 1: we both decided what better way to end today's episode 685 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:12,239 Speaker 1: by sharing with you one of our favorite, one of 686 00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:16,520 Speaker 1: our favorite first impressions of a pineapple. This comes from 687 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,920 Speaker 1: a new voyage and description of the Isthmus of America 688 00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:24,520 Speaker 1: by Lionel Wafer in six Lionel Wafer, by the way, 689 00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,400 Speaker 1: it sounds like a toast of London name. If you 690 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,040 Speaker 1: don't know what I mean by that, police instantly, I 691 00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,280 Speaker 1: know you do, Ben, But any of anyone in listening 692 00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:34,720 Speaker 1: have you seven seen Toast of London? It's great Lionel 693 00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:38,359 Speaker 1: wafer is perfectly a toast of London name. I'm gonna 694 00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,480 Speaker 1: leave it at that. But to me this borders on 695 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:44,919 Speaker 1: pineapple poetry. Ben, and I would ask ridiculous historians send 696 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,920 Speaker 1: us your pineapple poems. Uh post them on the on 697 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,960 Speaker 1: the Facebook group Ridiculous Historians. But Ben, would you like 698 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,680 Speaker 1: to lead us off in this pineapple poetry reading? Yeah, 699 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,239 Speaker 1: let's let's divide and conquer the same way you would 700 00:43:56,239 --> 00:44:01,200 Speaker 1: cut up a pineapple. All these with the booze. That 701 00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:05,880 Speaker 1: delicious fruit, which we call the pineapple. In shape not 702 00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,839 Speaker 1: much ununlike an artitube as big as a man's head. 703 00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,240 Speaker 1: It grows like a crown on the top of a stoll, 704 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,640 Speaker 1: about as big as one's arm and a foot and 705 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:21,240 Speaker 1: a half high. The fruit is ordinarily about six pound wheat, 706 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,640 Speaker 1: and is enclosed with short, prickly leaves, like an artitude. 707 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:29,480 Speaker 1: They do not strip, but pair off these leaves to 708 00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:33,760 Speaker 1: get at the fruit, which hath no stone or kernel 709 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:39,239 Speaker 1: in It tis very juicing, and some fancy it resemble 710 00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:43,120 Speaker 1: the taste of all the most delicious fruits one can 711 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:47,520 Speaker 1: imagine mixed together. It ripens at all times of year, 712 00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:53,320 Speaker 1: and is raised from new plants. I like the idea 713 00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:57,520 Speaker 1: of I like the idea of pineapple poetry, and I agree. 714 00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,600 Speaker 1: Would love to hear yours also if you want to, 715 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:04,200 Speaker 1: if you want to get into the musical artistic side 716 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:09,120 Speaker 1: of it, please check out Pineapple Princess by Annette Funicello. Uh, 717 00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:14,000 Speaker 1: it's It's jam and Pineapple Jam is great too. Oh man, 718 00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:18,120 Speaker 1: I am feeding for pineapple now, so I say, Paul 719 00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,800 Speaker 1: it Aday with huge, huge thanks to our super producer 720 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,120 Speaker 1: Casey Pegram, our guest producer Andrew Howard, who we've got 721 00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,640 Speaker 1: to have on the show sometime, maybe an episode on Maine. 722 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,840 Speaker 1: Yes Maine, that that is where he hails from, and 723 00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,480 Speaker 1: I think we definitely should do that. Huge thanks to 724 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,000 Speaker 1: Alex Williams who composed this theme. Christopher hasciotis here in spirit, 725 00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,239 Speaker 1: soon to be here in the flesh or in the 726 00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,360 Speaker 1: you know, the zoom um and Jonathan Stripped and the quister. 727 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,480 Speaker 1: I got nothing abad to say about him today. I'm 728 00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:48,920 Speaker 1: interested to hear his opinion on pineapple. Uh. Thanks so much, everybody. 729 00:45:49,560 --> 00:46:08,160 Speaker 1: We'll see you next time. Foix M. For more podcasts 730 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,160 Speaker 1: from my Heart Radio, visit the I Heart Radio app 731 00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,280 Speaker 1: Apple Podcast or wherever you listen to your favorite shows