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Don't wait, don't hesitate. 30 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: Let's Square handle the back end so you can keep 31 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: pushing your vision forward. 32 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 2: What do you think of a particular candidate saying that 33 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 2: he wants to dismantle to the Department of the ad 34 00:01:57,920 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 2: and can you tell us how much of a travesty 35 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 2: that would be for black and brown people if that 36 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 2: ever happened. 37 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, I heard about that, you know, And out of 38 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 3: respect to the Hatch Act, I'm going to be very careful. 39 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 4: I'm going to speak to you a Secretary of Education. 40 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 3: I can tell you that I've read Project twenty twenty five. 41 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 3: I can tell you that this agency and what we 42 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 3: do is ensure equity and education. 43 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 4: Education is a public good in my opinion. 44 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 3: My colleagues on the right are trying to privatize it 45 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 3: and monetize public education. 46 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 4: Which always ends up with the winners and losers when 47 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 4: you do that. 48 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 3: It didn't work with the for profit colleges that we 49 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 3: have to go after, and they took advantage of a 50 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 3: lot of first generation students. Like I am right, it'd 51 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 3: be a travesty when no one is holding folks accountable 52 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 3: and we're going to have a system to have and 53 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 3: have nots if the Department of Education is not doing 54 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 3: their job to make sure that special education equity happens, 55 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:58,239 Speaker 3: racial equity happens, to make sure that public education is 56 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 3: a right not something that you pay for, which is 57 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 3: what's happening in some of these states that want to 58 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 3: privatize vouchers and all that. 59 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 4: So listen, there'd be a lot at stake. 60 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 3: We're going backwards in some ways with some of the rhetoric, 61 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 3: and I would hate to see public education become victim 62 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 3: to the division in our country. 63 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 4: Public education, regardless of your Republican or Democrat, is. 64 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 3: A public good that all students should should should have 65 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 3: access to. 66 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 5: Yeah, it is It is a complicated system though, because 67 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 5: even for people I think they're uneducated as far as 68 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 5: even what your role is right, because you're the head 69 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 5: of your secretary of education in the United States, but 70 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 5: every state has their own educational board that mandates their 71 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 5: own educational curriculum, and then cities and then townships and 72 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 5: so on a federal level, you guys don't have any 73 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 5: say so on what states do, right, yes and. 74 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 4: No, And you're right. 75 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 3: I was the state Commissioner of Education in Connecticut, and 76 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 3: I was a district superintendent, and I was a school principal. 77 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 3: At every role, I had a different responsibility. As Secretary 78 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 3: of Education, it's my responsibility to make sure. 79 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 4: That the laws are being followed. So we have an 80 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 4: Office for Civil Rights. 81 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 3: So when we have some state education group or states 82 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 3: and districts not providing special education to students who missed 83 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 3: it during the pandemic, or when we have states that 84 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 3: are looking the other way, when black students are coming 85 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 3: forward and saying I'm being picked on based on race. 86 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 3: There's a systemic racism that's making it hostile for me 87 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 3: to learn. That's my role to say, we're going to 88 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 3: step in, We're. 89 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 4: Going to do something about it. 90 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 3: It's also my role to take one hundred and thirty 91 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 3: billion dollars, for example, of the American Rescue Planned dollars 92 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 3: and distribute that throughout the country and make sure that 93 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 3: the states are using it equitably. It's also my role 94 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 3: to make sure that if I'm looking at your achievement data, 95 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 3: that your Latino students are not for may points below, 96 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 3: not Latino students, and that you have a plan to 97 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 3: close that gap. So at the federal level, we have 98 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 3: some responsibility around civil rights and around equity, and around 99 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 3: grant distribution based on the whims of Congress, but also 100 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 3: the administrative priorities. 101 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 5: So there is a role there, well, how do we 102 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 5: how do we when you're talking about education reform, right, 103 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 5: and it's based on tax dollars and obviously if you 104 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 5: live in a lower income neighborhood then your school is 105 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 5: going to be less funded. Then, so the education system 106 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 5: in America is tiered and it has a higher level 107 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 5: of education for people that have that has more money. 108 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 5: That in itself is unfair, right, So to me, that 109 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 5: would lend to a system that is broken. If something 110 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 5: is unfair, then that it's broken, right. It's not it's 111 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 5: not working on the same level for every single person. 112 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 5: So the idea of centralizing the education system is not 113 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 5: necessarily a bad idea. It just depends on what you 114 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 5: want to how you want to actually utilize that much power. Right, 115 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 5: But what is your thoughts on just education overhaul, just 116 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 5: in general, even outside your role now you're a lifelong educator, 117 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:25,359 Speaker 5: how is it ever possible to have kids in the 118 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 5: South Bronx have the same education as kids in Greenwich, 119 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 5: Connecticut and they go to public schools. 120 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 3: Listen, I was a commissioner in Connecticut and I had 121 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 3: kids in Greenwich, and I had kids on the street 122 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 3: and Bridgeport, which is one of the poorest communities in 123 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 3: the country. And my mentality back then, you know, I'm 124 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 3: a first gen Puerto Rican kid from Meriton, Connecticut, which 125 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 3: is eighty percent free and reduced lunch saying, look, I 126 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 3: shouldn't be the anomaly. I shouldn't be a counter example. 127 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 3: You know, my experience I think prepared me for this role. 128 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 3: There are too many kids that look like me that 129 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 3: don't have the opportunities that I have. So I do 130 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 3: agree with you that we need to really shake it 131 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 3: up and make sure that all students have equitable opportunities 132 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 3: and that we hold each other to account. Now, with 133 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 3: that said, keep in mind, I was the commissioner in Connecticut. 134 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 4: I was a district level superintendent. I don't want the 135 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 4: federal government telling every school system what to do, because 136 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 4: imagine if Betsy DeVos had. 137 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 3: Her way, because right like the pendulum swings the other way. 138 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 3: She wants to put bibles in every school. And I'm 139 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 3: a Christian man, I love me some Jesus, but it's 140 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 3: not the public school's job to put Bibles in classrooms. 141 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 3: Nor is it a public schools job to say that 142 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 3: these students, because they don't fit the mold of what 143 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 3: most students feel like, shouldn't be welcome in your school. 144 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 3: They're talking now about specific curriculum that would push I 145 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 3: mean back then during her time, it was seventeen seventy six. 146 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 4: I don't know if you remember that, but they were. 147 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 3: Trying to push a curriculum that was discounting the negative 148 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 3: impact of slavery. And I mean, we see that happening 149 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 3: in some states where they're trying to talk about the 150 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 3: benefits of slavery. So I don't want a Secretary of 151 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 3: Education pushing their curriculum down people's throats. I want to 152 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 3: make sure that I'm fighting for equity, for evolution, for 153 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 3: outcomes of results, evolution meaning evolution of our schools, to 154 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 3: make sure all students have access, and holding folks accountable 155 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 3: if some groups of students are treated less than others, 156 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 3: which is what we've seen in this country and which 157 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 3: is why we take this role very seriously. And I 158 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 3: want folks who are paying attention and kind of wondering 159 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 3: whether to sit this one out. You got to make 160 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 3: sure you know what's up at stake, because if you 161 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 3: think you know, there's a challenge now when you have 162 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 3: no system of oversight in these states that are talking 163 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 3: about getting rid of African American history, when you have 164 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 3: no oversight over these states that are saying that if 165 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 3: you're different, or if you're born gay, you don't belong 166 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 3: in our schools. 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