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Speaker 1: Back in November, obviously, you and I taped one of

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Speaker 1: And I can't believe we're having this conversation because what

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Speaker 1: that was evidence of a second shooter. And listen, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna I'm going to drop a bombshell here in a

433
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: moment that a lot of people have heard rumored over

434
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 1: the years. They didn't really know about it or what

435
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 1: the source of it was, but I will tell you

436
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: that he felt so strongly about this, and you had

437
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier that it came about in the wake of

438
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: you know, him looking at things and him believing I

439
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: think initially, like as Americans, we we all want to

440
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: believe that what our government is telling us is the truth.

441
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: That what we are we shouldn't believe our lying eyes,

442
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: you know, as it comes down to it, that we

443
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: should believe what they're telling us. Doctor Weck saw things

444
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: in that he literally bore witness to that no other

445
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: person had ever been allowed to see. And he came

446
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: to some conclusions that in the end absolutely or the

447
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: driving force why he rendered this opinion regarding JFK as

448
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: a falsehood. Dave, I've never been to France, but I

449
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: have a desire to go to the Louver because I

450
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,239
Speaker 1: would love to see the Mona Lisa. I think that

451
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: that would be really, really cool. But can you imagine

452
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: if you go to the Louver and you're standing in

453
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: front of the Mona Lisa, which is behind thick glass, which

454
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: by the way, has has been you know, attacked over

455
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: the past few years by people throwing paint on it

456
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: and all that nonsense. Can you imagine what it would

457
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: be like to have somebody that's got a big ring

458
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: of keys in her hand and they walk out to

459
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: you and say, hey, we want to take you behind

460
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: the wall. Here. We're gonna pull the Mona Lisa out

461
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: from its its place this perch. Here, We're going to

462
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: actually let you see it, because what I've been told,

463
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: when you walk in, it's it's behind thick glass. It's

464
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: it's very dark, you know, because they're trying to protect it.

465
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: But can you imagine what that would be like? Or

466
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: can you imagine going to the Sistine Chapel and they say, dude,

467
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: we've got a scaffel, a scaffold for you. Here, we're

468
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: going to set it up. Here's a magnifying glass. We're

469
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: going to let you climb up there and look at

470
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: this beautiful detail on the ceiling. Can you imagine what

471
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: that would be like. Sarah Weck was a person that

472
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: out of every he was chosen and was provided access

473
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: to the National Archives relative to the JFK assassination. And

474
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: he's one of the first person that actually saw the

475
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: color photography from the autopsy. He got to examine a

476
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: lot of the documents that were there. But you know,

477
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: the curious thing that doctor Weck wanted to see and

478
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: was told would be there, And certainly as a forensic pathologist,

479
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: you can appreciate why he would want to see this item.

480
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 1: He goes to look for it and it ain't there.

481
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: Sarah Weck is the person that actually discovered the JFK's

482
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: brain was missing. I want you just to step back

483
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: just for a second and imagine that you're at this

484
00:31:55,920 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: like confluence in history, all right, and you go into

485
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: the National Archives and they tell you that the former

486
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: president of the United States who was murdered in front

487
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: of hundreds of people, that we've got all of this,

488
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: you know, all of these artifacts from this Let's I

489
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: don't know, Dave. Could we say that it's one of

490
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Speaker 1: the seminal events in American history, would you margin?

491
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Speaker 3: Would you concur with that in world history?

492
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 2: Yes, the assassination of President John Fitzderald Kennedy in November

493
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 2: twenty second, nineteen sixty three is a moment in time

494
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 2: historically speaking, that people in the future are going to

495
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 2: look back and say, that's when the United States government

496
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 2: was no longer relevant.

497
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. And to further prove your point, he's this

498
00:32:52,280 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: man is brought into into this environment and there's a

499
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: log list. You know, it's like an evidence log list. Yeah,

500
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: we got you know, right right here? Yeah, yeah, it's

501
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: right here. Okay. And doctor Weck had a very distinctive

502
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: voice when he would talk, and he's very intense when

503
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: he'd look at you, you know, as he's talking to you.

504
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: You know you yeah, couldn't I know, He's like, hey, hey,

505
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: you know, where is.

506
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 3: It, Clara Beller? Where's the beef?

507
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: Exactly? Where is the brain? How can you the single

508
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: most critical piece of evidence, mind you, because this is

509
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: literally what is up to as a kill shot all right,

510
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: it ain't there. What happened to it? And when this

511
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: information comes out, you know, it's a firestorm. And you know,

512
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: if you don't believe me, I mean again, don't believe me,

513
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: do your own research, go out there and look. And

514
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: this is it's a seminal moment.

515
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 2: That's why I say history will reflect on this. That's

516
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 2: the and became irrelevant as a government because they a

517
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 2: lied to the American people. You know, we are not

518
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 2: a democracy. We are a representative republic, meaning you and

519
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 2: I have a representative that is in Washington, d C.

520
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 2: And the House of Representatives that is our guy. And

521
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 2: call your guy and he doesn't know. And I mean

522
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 2: that in the plural mankind thing. Whoever is your representative,

523
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 2: they ought to know or be able to get you

524
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 2: the answers of these things. And when you ask questions

525
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,479
Speaker 2: about the assassination of the President of the United States

526
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 2: of America and look at the twelve years after his

527
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 2: assassination and what took place, And if every representative doesn't

528
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 2: know the answer to what took place in our government,

529
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 2: that tells you everything you need to know.

530
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 3: The brain is gone. Who fired Joe? Who got fired

531
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 3: for that?

532
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,959
Speaker 1: Exactly? And you know, I can only imagine that that

533
00:34:53,560 --> 00:35:01,280
Speaker 1: and there were other things that he that were absent

534
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 1: as well, but.

535
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 3: Destroyer get rid of evidence to cover up the crime.

536
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 1: And you know, he's the one sniffing, sniffing this thing

537
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 1: out and looking at it, uh and and thinking, you know,

538
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 1: all along he's probably thinking, Okay, we're we're being we're

539
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: being lied.

540
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 3: To over over over all of this.

541
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 1: And interestingly enough, you know Arlen Spector, who headed up

542
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: you know, he was like the legal counsel relative to

543
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: the Warren Commission. You know, he's he's a Pennsylvania product

544
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: as well, and you know, for years, you know what,

545
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,280
Speaker 1: and he bumped you know, they bumped heads with one another,

546
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 1: I think, you know, geographic proximity obviously, but they were

547
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: such high profile and polarizing characters that it did interesting

548
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: that both of these people, you know, became uh became entangled.

549
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,280
Speaker 1: I think that they kind of settled their differences after

550
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: a while. But you know, when you look at you know,

551
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: some of the some of the cases that come to

552
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 1: mind with with doctor weck he he he actually you know,

553
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: offered commentary on the death of Elvis Presley and particularly

554
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: I think resulting from the drugs. You know that that

555
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: h that Elvis was provided with uh Scarsdale diet. You know, yeah,

556
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: he was involved with that. He offered he did testimony

557
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: a trial relative to Class vound Bulau.

558
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 3: I did know that, Sonny von Buloh yeah.

559
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: And so you know, the list goes on and on.

560
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: And he even offered opinions about you know, O. J. Simpson,

561
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: uh and uh, you know, and also Michael Jackson. So

562
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: he's got you know, this wide ranging look. Some people say, Okay,

563
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:54,879
Speaker 1: he was a celebrity pathologist. I don't. I don't necessarily

564
00:36:54,920 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 1: concur with with that assessment. I think that in in times,

565
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: in terrific times, you need a voice that is that's

566
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,919
Speaker 1: a balanced voice. I think that is a critical voice, uh,

567
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: that can step in into the gap and interpret these

568
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: things that other people are not necessarily equipped to do with.

569
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: And I think we laid the foundation talking about at

570
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: least academically. And he's not a person that sat back

571
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: on his laurels and never did anything. You know. One

572
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: of the most beautiful things that that he was able

573
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: to create, and his living legacy is actually going to

574
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: be uh the Sarah Wick Institute, you know that exists

575
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: at at Ducane and it offers continuing education, you know,

576
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: in in forensic science uh and the and it's combined,

577
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 1: interestingly enough, with their law school in addition to that.

578
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: And so he's this school and one of my one

579
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: of my dear friends, uh is heads up the forensics

580
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: program there. Uh. And she's a brilliant DNA scientist and

581
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: she's you know, I have a little bit of insight,

582
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: you know, into what that dynamic was like with doctor Weck.

583
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: And you know, she has gone on and on about

584
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: the mind that he possessed. You know that you sit

585
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: there and you can have these conversations with him, and

586
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: he's up in age, you know, at this point, and

587
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: he's still he's still firing on all cylinders.

588
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:25,399
Speaker 3: Isn't that great?

589
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, it really is. And I think that it's

590
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: it's important, just just for a moment, and I think

591
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: that I would I would really like to kind of

592
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: close things out by, you know, kind of talking about

593
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: some of some of his accomplishments, because it's certainly a

594
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: fascinating life. I think that if I could, uh, you know,

595
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: launch off this mortal coil at the end of my

596
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: life with a third of his accomplishments, it would be

597
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: quite remarkable. But you know, just to set this in perspective,

598
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:12,240
Speaker 1: doctor Weck, over the course of his career, this man

599
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: did over twenty one thousand, twenty one thousand autopsies Dave,

600
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: he consulted get Ready for this one, and on over

601
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: forty two thousand additional post mortem examinations and including He's

602
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: traveled all over the world rendering opinions. And we're talking

603
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: about things like war crimes and things like this that

604
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 1: you and I, hey, and I think that doctor Weck

605
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: actually did things that many of us will never even

606
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: know about, where he came in and consulted in cases

607
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: that were you know, that came about as a result

608
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: of humanitarian crises. Because that's you know, it's kind of

609
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 1: the heart that he had. He you know, he's written,

610
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: i think in all, close to seven hundred professional publications.

611
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: He's either the editor or the co editor of over

612
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: forty eight books. He's written multiple non fiction books, and

613
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 1: president former president American College of Legal Medicine, Academy and

614
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 1: the Academy. I imagine this. He was actually president of

615
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,479
Speaker 1: American Academy of Forensic Science. He'd been board certified as

616
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 1: a pathologist, anatomically, clinically and forensics. He's a Fellow of

617
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: the College of American Pathologist, American Society of Clinical Pathologist,

618
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 1: and a member of the National Association of Medical Examiners.

619
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 1: He wrote he actually wrote a memoir, The Life and

620
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 1: Death of Cyril Wegg, Memoir of American of America's most

621
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: controversial forensic pathologist. And of course he's he is a

622
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: major contributor to a book on the JFK assassination. And

623
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not getting a nickel for this, but

624
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: I would strongly urge anybody that has an opportunity to

625
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 1: watch Oliver Stones produced multi part series on the JFK Assassination.

626
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:32,240
Speaker 1: I think it's probably on Prime. There's an entire episode

627
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: of that dedicated to Cyril Wack. Oh wow, and it's

628
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: absolutely fascinating.

629
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 2: Day Well, Sarah Wick wrote a book, you know, the

630
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 2: JFK Assassination Dissected.

631
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and that's the one I was referring to. Yeah,

632
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 1: I'm sorry the name escaped me.

633
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 2: But analysis by forensic pathologist Cyril Wacked. You can get

634
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 2: it on a paper book. It's available. And again, not

635
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 2: plugging or not shilling for anybody here, just sharing that

636
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 2: while many of us think certain things based on whatever

637
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 2: entertainment thing we've seen without any background in it, without

638
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 2: you know, without being able to pass a basic science

639
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 2: and biology class in high school, we think we are

640
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 2: somehow capable of commenting on what took place in the

641
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 2: autopsy of the president. And yet here we go. We

642
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,240
Speaker 2: have the opportunity to read what some of the best

643
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 2: minds have to say about the subject matter, and I

644
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 2: encourage you to read it before you yell out your opinion.

645
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 2: Read what somebody who knew what they were talking about said.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a good place to start in Sarah

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Speaker 2: Weack when you come to the jffgass aascination. I believe

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Speaker 2: Sarah Weck is a great place to start. I have

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Speaker 2: read his books.

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Speaker 1: Well, and look, I think there's not too much more

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Speaker 1: about Cirriah Weck. I had to take a moment to

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Speaker 1: honor him on our program because this is the passing

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Speaker 1: somebody I think that we should in some ways aspire

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Speaker 1: I would you know that I would encourage my son

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Speaker 1: even always always seek knowledge and always seek the truth.

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Speaker 1: Try to find the truth in your own way. Come

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Speaker 1: to terms with that. Don't don't be one of these

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Speaker 1: flow and simply say, oh, well the crowd said it,

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Speaker 1: I'm going with it. That's not the type of person

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Speaker 1: he was. Doctor Weck was a one of a kind

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Speaker 1: out there. So I just want to take a moment

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Speaker 1: and first off acknowledge his passing, and certainly the Weck family,

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Speaker 1: the Dokaine family, and all of his extended friends and colleagues,

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Speaker 1: my deepest sympathies to them because he's a man. He

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Speaker 1: is a man that has impacted so many of us

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Speaker 1: in the field of forensic science. He passed away peacefully

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Speaker 1: on May thirteenth, twenty four. Here's the U, doctor way.

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Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is Bodybacks