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Speaker 1: Around the NFL Podcast is always ready to go along.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hands, come to you from a

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Speaker 1: virtual room filled with some heroes. Greg Rosenthal as always,

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Speaker 1: he's the new rock. We're good about that. Dwayne Johnson

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Speaker 1: and joining us. One of our favorites. I call him

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Speaker 1: the guiding conscience of NFL media. Steve Which back in

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Speaker 1: the house, Welcome back to the podcast. Oh man, thanks

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Speaker 1: for having me right here. You know, I gotta go,

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Speaker 1: gotta go deep in the well. But I'm I'm in

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Speaker 1: there somewhere screaming that goes for help. Oh no, we

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Speaker 1: gotta what I mean, what a bench we have on

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Speaker 1: the podcast. When you have a Hall of Famer like

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Speaker 1: Steve to tap as, the A t N podcast drops

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Speaker 1: like flies. Cessler still on the mend, was texting with

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Speaker 1: Mark this morning. He's he's working his way back. He's

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Speaker 1: feeling a little bit better. So that's good. But it's

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Speaker 1: so good to have people like Nick Shook, people like

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Speaker 1: Patrick Claiban and now White who was taking time out

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Speaker 1: out of the extremely busy schedule like for instance, Steve

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Speaker 1: all over NFL Network. As you know, he's doing the

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Speaker 1: Falcon stuff. And then what you got going on this weekend?

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Speaker 1: Labor Day weekend. Yeah, Sunday, we've got the Black College

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Speaker 1: Football Hall of Fame Classic and Grambling in Tennessee State.

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Speaker 1: Meet Charles Davis and Andrews Siliano on the call, four

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Speaker 1: pm Eastern on NFL Network. But it's it's a showcase

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Speaker 1: game for black colleges, and it's the two kind of

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Speaker 1: most famous historically black colleges in terms of putting players

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Speaker 1: So it's gonna be a good time. That's pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm lucky here. This is back to back

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Speaker 1: days doing something with Weye she got it. He got

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Speaker 1: on me for not wearing a tie yesterday. It was

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Speaker 1: kind of like, grow up here. We're on NFL now,

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Speaker 1: you know, start wearing wearing a tie. Bro Um. I

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Speaker 1: did because a guys, I'm gonna I guess you are

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Speaker 1: the conscience. Yea, the I'm gonna some live, some live

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Speaker 1: What's up? Okay, Okay, there we go. That's great content

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Speaker 1: and we're not taking that out, But yeah, that's you know,

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Speaker 1: that's funny. You have construction down your house. I have

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Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, what's the estimate on the rebuilding?

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Speaker 1: Like about twenty months? So I got cool. It's a

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Speaker 1: good thing I don't have a TV studio on my backyard. Oh,

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Speaker 1: Man's way to go, Pat McAfee, Way to go, Pat McAfee. There, Dan, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this home office life bubbles over all. Right, Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: Steve's here by the way Erica on vacation, and I

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Speaker 1: mean I just can't get over on the tropical vacation.

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Speaker 1: This week. The Grave Digger, Justin Graver, has done great

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Speaker 1: we can't get into the Steve Weich saw submissions. So

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Speaker 1: next time Steve's on, we're gonna play some of those submissions.

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Speaker 1: And if you haven't set one in yet, White getting

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Speaker 1: its own theme song. It's a big deal on this show.

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Speaker 1: So what were you saying about that bench? And then

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Speaker 1: of our favorites, Vic Tafer over at the Athlete that

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Speaker 1: generate thirty five plus turnovers like the Dolphins did last year, Okay,

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Speaker 1: they have a chance. Okay, they they've got they've got

425
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Speaker 1: to get the takeaways. But I mean, I was really

426
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Speaker 1: really liking the Broncos coming in, and now I'm just

427
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,800
Speaker 1: kind of like you're liking him with lock and then Teddy,

428
00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:58,920
Speaker 1: Teddy changes your mind. This is something. Here's the thing though,

429
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:03,159
Speaker 1: like they have locks the bed. It's not like Naggie

430
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,400
Speaker 1: and the Bears because they have so much offensive town.

431
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,399
Speaker 1: That is what I'm banking on that. It's not just

432
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 1: the defensive talent. Yes, you look at you look and

433
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,199
Speaker 1: it looks like a top five defense and certainly a

434
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 1: top five defensive play caller. But I think if you

435
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:19,640
Speaker 1: just go weapons, go running back, wide receiver, tight ends,

436
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 1: that might be top five too. So you're surrounding a

437
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:27,120
Speaker 1: mid level quarterback with a lot of good pieces. So

438
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:32,440
Speaker 1: if you put action, if you put Jerry Judy, Courtland

439
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,359
Speaker 1: Sutton and Melvin Gordon on the Bears, they're going to

440
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:39,960
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Albert Oh no, no a fan? Deep? Yeah,

441
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 1: I think so. I think so if you put Teddy

442
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 1: on him too. I mean they had Trabisky out there quarterbacks.

443
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,879
Speaker 1: So is the ceiling Steve to you? And he's not

444
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Speaker 1: as bad as you think. I'm not saying I love him,

445
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 1: but he's the ceiling to you. Steve Bears for the Broncos,

446
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,400
Speaker 1: Like if they if they get a bunch of turnover

447
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 1: luck on defense and they have a perfect season, in

448
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 1: a lot of ways. On defense, they can win double

449
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 1: digit games, but still it doesn't make them a true

450
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 1: contender because that offense is just gonna kill him. You

451
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 1: gotta score in the NFL now, I mean, look, I

452
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 1: love I love the talent, I love what they're developing.

453
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Speaker 1: But the Chiefs are gonna hang thirty a game, the

454
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 1: Chargers are gonna hang thirty game, and the Raiders are

455
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 1: gonna hang thirty a game. I'll believe the Chargers when

456
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Speaker 1: I see it, though, with Joe Lombardi on offense, running,

457
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Speaker 1: running the player, I just want to see it. I

458
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 1: just want to see offense, and I agree with that.

459
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 1: And again I'm not throwing total ship. I am. I

460
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:39,919
Speaker 1: was really high and the Broncos coming in, but now

461
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of like when I look around these

462
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 1: teams in the A f C deep, I've never seen

463
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 1: it like this, where one of them having the trouble

464
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 1: finding a spot for the Chargers in the playoffs. Who

465
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,479
Speaker 1: I'm always a huge fan of having a trouble finding

466
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 1: Steelers and Browns, Like can can two or three teams

467
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Speaker 1: really get out of that division when it's that deep

468
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 1: like it it is. I've never seen the a f

469
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 1: C this deep, so that part of it, and you've

470
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 1: got you've got to get twenty four game and I

471
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 1: just don't see that consistent. Let me transition to another team,

472
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,120
Speaker 1: and I mean, you're not getting that song now. But yeah,

473
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,679
Speaker 1: you know, Steve, you have no idea how much this

474
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Speaker 1: quarter because it's like if he won't listen to Mark

475
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 1: and I try to ramp down the expectations, maybe the

476
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 1: north star of the NFL media snack the Tito Landrum. Dude,

477
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 1: you do you can pull off the bench and put

478
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 1: on any position. Um, all right, I want to get

479
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 1: this on tape so everybody knows you're not dunking on

480
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 1: me on Twitter. I I am very down on the

481
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: Jets as having a season of true progress this year.

482
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:53,400
Speaker 1: I know it seems like I'm all over the map,

483
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 1: But there's the optimis optimistic fan ofm me that just

484
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: hopes for the best. But this was a really bad

485
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 1: month for the j to. It started tragically when Greg Knapp,

486
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:10,199
Speaker 1: who was a really respected quarterbacks coach, um dies tragically

487
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 1: in a bike accident. Um you know he was uh

488
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: supposed to be a guy that was really going to

489
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 1: help Zack Wilson and then the Carl lost an injury,

490
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,360
Speaker 1: just devastating to what the Jets need to do on defense.

491
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 1: The Vinney Vinny Curry then he's a rotational rusher of

492
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: veteran not as big a deal obviously, but still then

493
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 1: he leaves for the season with a blood clot issue. Um.

494
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 1: The offensive line is supposed to be better, but if

495
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 1: you're reading about this team, there's issues on that line

496
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,919
Speaker 1: right now. McKay Beckton did not have a good summer.

497
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 1: Michael Floor even called him out on it, the offensive coordinator,

498
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 1: and I just think if the line isn't ready to roll, uh,

499
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,719
Speaker 1: if a secondary that is just so green, and then

500
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 1: they take and they release Blessing Austin, who is their

501
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: most seasoned cornerback this week, the court, the secondary is

502
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: real le dicey. Without Carl Lawson, it's gonna be very

503
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: difficult to get a push. Um. I like the interior

504
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: of that defense. But then you have and then on

505
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Speaker 1: the other side of the ball, questions that offensive line,

506
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 1: an unproven backfield and a quarterback in Zack Wilson. There's

507
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of bumps. And when you factor

508
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Speaker 1: in which Greg also fact said that this is a

509
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Speaker 1: loaded a f C, which I agree with. Um, it's

510
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,679
Speaker 1: gonna be tough for me to to see the Jets

511
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 1: winning more than about four games this year. And I

512
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,919
Speaker 1: think that I think you could still come out of

513
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 1: the season saying we're going in the right direction if

514
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: they go maybe not for let's say five and twelve

515
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: or something, but I think this is just the way

516
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,120
Speaker 1: this summer has played out puts them behind the eight ball.

517
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: And they were the last team that needed bad breaks,

518
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: uh this summer, and they got them. And I've recalibrated

519
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 1: my expectations this year as a result. Dan, you pick

520
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,439
Speaker 1: up an you know, two interesting points and we can

521
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: have the conversation about offensive line concerns with teams right now.

522
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know that that's really interesting, but more so,

523
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: but why the Jets having four wins? When I'm looking

524
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Speaker 1: at the teams have picked in the top five, six,

525
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: seven this year, I'm having a hard time to think

526
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 1: that the majority of those teams are not gonna be

527
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 1: picking in the top five, six or seven next year.

528
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it's all of those teams. You know, that's

529
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: not usually how it goes, but I I know, I mean,

530
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: and it looks some of them will probably slide. Someone's

531
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 1: gonna have some injuries and things like that, and it's going.

532
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 1: But I mean, just coming into the season, it's like, wow, Okay, Jacksonville,

533
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: you know, Falcons, the Jets, I mean, what's you know,

534
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: what's to make you think any of those and some

535
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: of them probably will get to double dig We just

536
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 1: know how the averages go. But just coming into the season,

537
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: it's like, wow, man, these all these teams still have

538
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: a long way to go to seem like they're gonna

539
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: be effectively competitive. Now again that that'll change. We know

540
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: how the wheel spend. But I think that's a really

541
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: good point to the Jets. You don't see more than

542
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Speaker 1: four wins and that division alone, I mean that that's

543
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: a tough that's a brutal division, and so you know

544
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 1: that's just something that that's weird. The offensive line play

545
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: and just these teams are on the bottom kind of

546
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 1: making headway. These are two things that I that that's

547
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: been deep on Tito Landam's brain. Counterpoint this is some

548
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler stuff here where like a week ago you

549
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:20,199
Speaker 1: were really literally like playing the Solelujah song. And and

550
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: then counterpoint number two is the only thing that matters

551
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: about the Jets, and maybe that's not true in terms

552
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: of wins and losses, but the most important thing is

553
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson, and you feel better than ever about him

554
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: after this month. So I feel you You're there was

555
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: there was some bad luck, and certainly Lawson is the

556
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: is the number one thing to be you know that's

557
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: a concern and that's not just but I don't know,

558
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: I don't to me, it was it was a positive

559
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: month because Zach Wilson played well. Just put it this way.

560
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: If Zach Wilson didn't have a positive month, this would

561
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: have been an outright disaster of a month for the Jets.

562
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: But to your point, there's nothing more important than Zach

563
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: Wilson having a big month. So yes, I'm just I

564
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: think the Jets can have a successful season without having

565
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: a nice right, you're trying to protect your protect your heart.

566
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: Let's revisit after the Jets go down to Carolina, Uh,

567
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: get that Week one victory over the team I'm putting

568
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: next that I feel worse about, and that's the Panthers.

569
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Speaker 1: And that's partly because I watched their preseason game with

570
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: Donald and I was just like, oh yeah, and still

571
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: see m Donald. Uh. I mean, I know it's one

572
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: preseason game, but remember how everyone likes to say, well,

573
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: as the starters against the backups, you can't like, uh,

574
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: you can't pull too much from that. You know, that's

575
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: what Zach Wilson should do. Okay, Well, Sam Darnald was

576
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: with a bunch of with all his starters against a

577
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: bunch of backups in the third preseason game. Didn't look

578
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: very good, had multiple turnover worthy plays, held the ball

579
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: too long, ended up getting like a two minute drive

580
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: at the end of the half that that kind of

581
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: saved his day. But I just didn't see the processing,

582
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: didn't see him like making quick decisions. I think Matt

583
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: Rule is gonna help him out. I think he's gonna

584
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: be better in Carolina. But it just was a reminder

585
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: this is a young team on both sides of the ball.

586
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: They have got their own line questions. You're right, Steve,

587
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: we could say that about five teams, but man Donald

588
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: could use a great line. He definitely doesn't have one.

589
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: And I just think I think they made a huge

590
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: quarterback misfire and in that little extra tape uh cemented

591
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: it for me. They could have taken justin fields. It

592
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: could have taken Mac Jones. They weren't interested. They wanted

593
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: Sam Donald. Yeah, I'm not Caroline. I still have a

594
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: lot more question marks before I I checked him out

595
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: of the picture. I think they're gonna be better. I think,

596
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: you know, Donald's gonna improve. I think they're gonna be

597
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: a better team. In one of those teams are going

598
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: to be like, Okay, you know Matt Rulken coach, I've

599
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: got a little I've got a little faith in him.

600
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: I do too. It was one it was just like preseason,

601
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: confirming my prior views. But we hadn't mentioned that on

602
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: on this show that I feel like his his performance

603
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: in the preconfirmation bias. Perhaps absolutely, but he had If

604
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: you go watch that half, he struggled and it was

605
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Speaker 1: starters versus backups, and he struggled the same ways that

606
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: he struggled when he was in New York. Here here

607
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: just want to have for you guys. And it's a team.

608
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Speaker 1: I don't know if I feel worse about them, but

609
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily feel better. And that's the Arizona Cardinals.

610
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I know they've added some some defensive talent

611
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: and they should absolutely be better on defense with J. J.

612
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: Watt and Chandler Jones and all these guys playing together.

613
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: But what are they man? I mean what you know,

614
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: you still you still don't know when you look at

615
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: every other team in that division. I mean, Seattle has

616
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: gotten better up front of the offensive line. We think,

617
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: we think they've gotten better, you know, at receiver and

618
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: some of their other positions to ramps. Clearly if if

619
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: done somethings, you know, quarterback, some things they want to change.

620
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Speaker 1: Even though I think defensively, it's gonna be interesting with

621
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Speaker 1: some of the coaching train that they've had on that staff. Um,

622
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: in the Niners. You know, we'll see what it's like Arizona.

623
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Speaker 1: Do you know, do we even think they have a

624
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: shot to compete? And so that that's a team you

625
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: can't get a read on in the preseason. But you know, look,

626
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury's coming in with a very warm seat. Um,

627
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: we'll see what's up with Steve Kyme. They cut another

628
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: receiver that he drafted, you know, fella or Keishan Johnson.

629
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Speaker 1: They cut them. I mean, how many how many receivers

630
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: they gonna draft and cut? That's two from the same class. Well,

631
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: they're like team no practice. Their team no practice. They're

632
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: like Team Arizona. Like what Chandler Jones, DeAndre Hopkins, A J. Green.

633
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: You got a whole bunch of veterans that just like

634
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: having practiced, don't practice. I don't know is that gonna

635
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: Is that gonna work? We'll see, Yeah, we'll see anybody

636
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: we have any others one way or the other before

637
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: we what do you guys hear the Vikings? Yeah, I

638
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: think that's a team. That's a team that that's a team.

639
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: I think that should be good. But man, not a

640
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: good summer for the Vikings. I was gonna I was

641
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: gonna pick them to the playoffs. I did, actually, but

642
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: no left. Their offensive line maybe looks worse, nor Smith

643
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: pretty thin. The same problems they had a year ago

644
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: looked like they could have them again. But defensive I

645
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,719
Speaker 1: just saw. I saw a headline like the Vikings solved

646
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: their tight end situation with the Chris Herndon trade, which

647
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: is silly. But also how about the fact you just

648
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: look at the back, not that this is a thing

649
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: that exists, or maybe it does because there's a bit

650
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: of a sports card boom or rebirth happening right now.

651
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: Look at the back of Kirk Cousins football card, like

652
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: if he's their quarterback or seventeen games, they're gonna move

653
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: the ball. And then Dalvin Cook is one of the

654
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: very best running backs in the league who could do

655
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: it all. You've got Justin Jefferson. In year two you

656
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: got Adam feeling there. So yes, I get you lose,

657
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: lose Irv Smith, who is a guy people are feeling

658
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: good about. But this team is going to score points still, right,

659
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: And then if this why I put him in the playoffs.

660
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: This is my rambling set up. And if the defense

661
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,239
Speaker 1: just gets better than it was last year, and Mike

662
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: Zimmers a defensive coach, come on, this is a ten

663
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: win team. My crazy no, no, I would think that's

664
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: an Anthony Barr's back. They've got some pieces back. But

665
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I've no Zimmer for a long time,

666
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: and he's he's like your textbook curmudgeon, you know, and

667
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: I love him, but good lord, he is like at

668
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: a whole different level of curmudgeon. Is um and um

669
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: you know, I'm you know, I think he's coming under

670
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: a warm sheet as well, and so, uh, I don't know.

671
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a team that that I I

672
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,240
Speaker 1: liked coming in and I don't know if I disliked

673
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:14,280
Speaker 1: them anymore coming into the season, but there just seems

674
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: to be like some weird mojo. Again, I'm not there

675
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: every day, I don't know, but it seems to be

676
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: like some different sauce coming out of there. So they

677
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: lost some key players too. I mean it's a factor.

678
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: And just to clarify, are you referring to the Kirk

679
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: Cousins drama. They've had some issues with vaccination rates and

680
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: Mike Zimmer being outspoken about it and Cousins being outspoken

681
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 1: and talking about his little plexiglass cube that he might

682
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: live in this season, you think, and in general from

683
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 1: a broader persective, Steve, because you you're so plugged in,

684
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: like how much of a fact do you think that

685
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,919
Speaker 1: could play into this season? The Bills are another team

686
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: where it's it's obviously a hot point inside the inside

687
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: that building that it could mess up some seasons potentially

688
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 1: in terms of how this plays out. Absolutely could. I

689
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 1: mean the Colts, I mean, you know, we'll see this

690
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: is this is again urban urban Meyer said out loud

691
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: what everyone else is saying secretly. I've heard them say

692
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: it's secretly. And this is something and especially when it

693
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: comes to the quarterback position. If if all of a sudden,

694
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: you're rolling your role and all of a sudden, your

695
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,240
Speaker 1: guys got to take a powder for possibly two games

696
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,399
Speaker 1: because of because of a positive test or whatever. You know,

697
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: you're constantly where you were last season, like are we

698
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: gonna get through? Are we going to get through? Whereas

699
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: other teams don't have that concern. I don't know. I

700
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: think it's I think it's gonna pop up. I mean,

701
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: I think there's gonna be some issues that popped up

702
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: last year they are gonna surface again this year, you know,

703
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: across the whole league for the NFL scheduling wise and

704
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: things like that. Despite all of the incentives for pet

705
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: get vaccinated, Tom Brady's vaccinated. That that surprised me when

706
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: the Bucks announced today they're at a hundred percent vaccination, right,

707
00:35:55,880 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 1: so we know Tom Tom took that job Dan he

708
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: did have and the arians has been outspoken about it too.

709
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 1: And it works for some coaches, I guess, putting the

710
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: heat on the team a little bit, and others it

711
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: seems to be less effective, which adds to curmudgeon nature

712
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: of Mike Zimmer. Why can't I have the percent team?

713
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: Why do I got this? Get these guys. I do

714
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: want to ask Steve about the Falcon just because he

715
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: covered them, I don't feel better or worse. So that

716
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,720
Speaker 1: was kind of thinking they might be a a bounce

717
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: back candidate because if you look at their their numbers

718
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: last year, like DV O way and points scored and

719
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 1: stuff like that, they were maybe more of like an

720
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: eight win team that had a lot of bad luck

721
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: and lost a lot of like heartbreakers, and you know

722
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: they're they're not all bad. You get Arthur Smith, you

723
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: have a real quarterback, Like, what what was it like?

724
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: First of all, you're in the booth, which is pretty badass,

725
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 1: Like you know that that I'm not I'm not trying

726
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: to put you in a box here, but not a

727
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: next NFL player providing analysis, not not being the play

728
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: by play guy providing analysis is awesome as for me

729
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: to hear just anyone do that, and you did an

730
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: amazing job. I couldn't believe how comfortable the whole booth was.

731
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 1: I was like, this is better than the Monday Night

732
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: crew right here. You and DJ Shockley, Um, you guys

733
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: are great doing those talking teams. What do you think

734
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: about the Falcons after being so kind of close with

735
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: them for three weeks. Well, I mean thanks for that.

736
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: I mean the Falcons frontline talent is good. Defensively, they're

737
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 1: gonna be better if they stay healthy. I mean at

738
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: front seven, they may not have, you know, an individual

739
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: winner in terms of pass rusher. DNPS is gonna create

740
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: some stuff and and man, they've got some linebackers. I

741
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: mean Foy, oh Lookawan is really good, Dion Jones is

742
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 1: really good. They got to got Michael Walker out of Fresno. Man,

743
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: he's a player. So they're gonna find ways. They're gonna

744
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: use Dante followers a situational pass rusher. You know, they

745
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: tried to have us a three down guy last year.

746
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: That didn't work. DPS. Yeah, d dnp's gonna be created.

747
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 1: A j. Terrell is a really good corner. I mean,

748
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: I know, the film on him last year because you

749
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: saw him getting beat sometimes didn't look great. But I

750
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: mean he didn't have anyone else so so teams could

751
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: really do some things off. But he's gonna be a

752
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,919
Speaker 1: good corner. They got some other issues, you know, they've

753
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: got to work through. But if they have one injury.

754
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: I mean, if they have one injured any position, that's

755
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 1: when you're hitting. I mean, and you know they're gonna

756
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: have an injury. And their offensive line situation, I mean,

757
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: they had Josh Andrews a left guard, which was a

758
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: major concern, and he broke his hand. So now they're

759
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: gonna start rookie Jalen Mayfield. Um that like didn't have

760
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: enough money to sign the rookies or whatever. Mark kept

761
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: bringing this up that they had no one on the roster,

762
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 1: But you're actually kind of speaking to that point that

763
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: the bottom twenty players on their roster might not be

764
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: you know, league ready. Yeah, I mean it's it's gonna

765
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: be one of those things that if they start for

766
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: an injury too, they're quickly going to go from a

767
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: team trying to compete to a developmental team where you're

768
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: up close with Kyle Pitts too. Is that guy jump

769
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: off the tape and he jumps off, jumps off, I

770
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: mean immediate immediately you see that Darren Waller is you know,

771
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 1: the Darren Waller comparison in terms of speed, being able

772
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: to beat guys catch balls in traffic. You know, he's

773
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: got a bigger wingspan than than Waller. He's one of

774
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: those guys you can throw with you twenty times a game.

775
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 1: You know, he's he's that versatile. You can line up

776
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,760
Speaker 1: wide in line, move him, he can block, he competes.

777
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: He I mean he is like super legit. You know

778
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: when I saw those joint practices against the Dolphins, you know,

779
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: the Dolphins and US Eric Rowe is there designated tight

780
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: end slack eye. You know, that's the guy that I

781
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 1: showed on Waller and they and he was giving it

782
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 1: something to Row. I mean, Row won his battles too,

783
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 1: but for a rookie, he's just too big. I mean,

784
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan could throw the ball nine feet in the

785
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: air and he's gonna catch it. There's nothing you can

786
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: do regardless of your coverage. And that's a great tool

787
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: to have. With Hayden Hurst, Um, there's another option of

788
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: tight end. I mean, what geez, But I mean Pitts

789
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 1: is real. What people really want to know, though, Steve

790
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: is should they select Kyle Pitts with the fourth round

791
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: pick in their fantasy draft because that's what he's going touchdowns? Touchdowns?

792
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: All right? All right, yeah, there you go. They're not

793
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: gonna run it in can't punch it in, throw it

794
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: the pits teams, all the all the listeners. By the way,

795
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: who sent me there? Roster is full of my faiths

796
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: from the Fantasy Spectacular. I don't know if I sold

797
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 1: my takes better this year, but I don't remember this

798
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: in the past. But everyone's just sending me all the

799
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: rosters of all my faiths. So I will lay you down.

800
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 1: And also in fairness, because we did throw some shade earlier.

801
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah also a color analyst that does not have

802
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 1: NFL experience, so he climbed the mountains. That's true. He

803
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: worked for a team, but that's that's true. Mina Mina

804
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,399
Speaker 1: Kimes is another one that stands out. But I love

805
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: we need more of these. I think they add a

806
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: lot to a booth alongside like an ex player. It's

807
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: the perfect, perfect mix. Let's now move straight into it.

808
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 1: He is a stalwart senior writer at the Athletic covers

809
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: the NFL. He covers the Raiders and maybe nobody does

810
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: it better. Welcome back to the Around the NFL podcast.

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Speaker 1: Vic Tafer even got his last name correctly pronunciated this time.

812
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:08,919
Speaker 1: I'm on fire, how about you? Vic? I'm all right, guy,

813
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 1: He's kind of like, maybe I'm the best covering the Raiders.

814
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: Come on, all right, VIC, so your boots on the

815
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 1: ground with the Raiders. This is a big season obviously

816
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,439
Speaker 1: for that whole organization. And before I get your opening thoughts,

817
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: let's just hear from the general manager, Mike Mayock, who

818
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 1: spoke with the media this week and made no bones

819
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: about it. It's time for progress in the form of

820
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: relevant January football. Here's what may I got to say.

821
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: We think we're gonna be a pretty good football team.

822
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 1: We're not hiding from expectations. I think John and I

823
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: will both tell you that we feel like we need

824
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: to be a playoff team this year. And I don't

825
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 1: think there's any doubt about that. And you guys are

826
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: all gonna put that in your headlines and I understand it, um,

827
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: but we're not. I mean, that's what the expectation is.

828
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: We think we've done, um the infrastructure work necessary to

829
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 1: put us in position, and we got to take care

830
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 1: of business. Well, how say you, Vic, do you think

831
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: they've done the proper amount of infrastructure work to make

832
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: this a playoff team. I do enjoy the advice to

833
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: put it in our headlines. I like to hey, this guy,

834
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: this is important. Guys, focus on this. But I thought,

835
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, this is obviously year four for

836
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: John Gruden, so I would have thought last year might

837
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: have been kind of, you know, do or die kind

838
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 1: of year. But I get the timeline. Now we're on it.

839
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: This year, it's uh, it's a key year for Derek

840
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: Carr in his contract. This is the last year before

841
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: they have to kind of getting extension. Mike may X

842
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: probably himself on the hot seat a little bit. So um,

843
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: I think they've got more talent on defense obviously. I

844
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: think Yannick mcgaquay was a big time signing trade by Morrig.

845
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 1: I think is is really good at safety TCU. I

846
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,399
Speaker 1: still a question the depth and the death is still

847
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: a pretty big issue for them. So um, but I

848
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: agree with the whole playoffs are bus kind of mentality.

849
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,800
Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure that quite there. Yeah, but they're definitely,

850
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: you know, getting a little closer. Mak looks pretty like

851
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: he's in pretty good shapey might be competing with Weiss,

852
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 1: is like the best best than shape over fifty guy.

853
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,399
Speaker 1: Not to aid you there, Steve, Oh no, I'm I'm

854
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 1: I'm very happy Vick knows Vick and Vick and I

855
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: go back to Miami Herald, Vick, what years were you there,

856
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: like ninety were I was, Yeah, I'm president close old. Yes,

857
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: we're back there A long time, a long time ago,

858
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,760
Speaker 1: so I can't remember how far back it was. But

859
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: here's here's what I have. Here's what I hear when

860
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: when people say, like, you know, it's it's a make

861
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: or break year for the for who Gruden has got

862
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: the ultimate you know, landing landing pad. I mean for Mayock.

863
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you know, Mike, Mike's great Scott

864
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: and does all this, but Gruten has final say, I mean,

865
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: Mark Davidson could pull the plug on Gruten the five

866
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: years left on that deal. Well, Mayck might have been

867
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,439
Speaker 1: speaking about himself and maybe Derek Carto, you know, maybe

868
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 1: it's a little bit of projecting. He might know they

869
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: need to be the playoffs, or Gruden will find someone

870
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: else too. But it's not the problem here, right Vic,

871
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: I mean, and Mike Mayock frankly probably isn't the problem here.

872
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: These these are systemic issues that maybe go beyond the quarterback.

873
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: This team could score points. We're just talking about it.

874
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 1: Uh and if if Max being set up as the

875
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: sacrificial lamb here, like if I'm a Raiders fan, am

876
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 1: I not feeling too good about the basic structure of

877
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: this organization four years into this thing, Well that's some

878
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: bad you know, bad f agent signings, bad draft picks

879
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: to the last three or four years. And before that

880
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 1: you go back, had one winning season in twenty years.

881
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: So that's a lot a lot of a lot of

882
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: bad draft picks, a lot of bad freezing signings. So

883
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: I think hopefully got right this year and then one

884
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 1: big bullet to shoot that was in gotway and he

885
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: by all means and better, She's gained weight, wants to

886
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: show he's like a you know, a three down guy.

887
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 1: I'm just a pass rush specialist. He's come in. He

888
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: Max Crosby really connected to their Max is in great

889
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: shape so that they feel they have like two wheel

890
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 1: bona fide pass rushers for the first time in a

891
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: long time. So for them that's been a huge issue.

892
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: I'm staying what I mentioned Mary earlier. They haven't had

893
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 1: a real center fielder and safety for a long time.

894
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: Guy you can actually make plays Bisince Charles Woodson and

895
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 1: Woodson was her not what he was in his prime

896
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: when he was here the second time. So even that's

897
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: not the high bar you would think it would be.

898
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: But so they have two guys that ever had defense.

899
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: And so to your point about Derek Carr, I agree,

900
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,280
Speaker 1: it's not his fault that they haven't gone the playoffs.

901
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: You know, uh, only at one time and it's my

902
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 1: my sixteen. But he has to do more. I think

903
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 1: the offense can make a jump this year to be

904
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: a little better in the rest zone, but primarily it's defense.

905
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: Defense has to make some plays that blew the three

906
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: games late last year. So that to me is the

907
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: key the key area this year. Well, it's unfair. Maybe

908
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: it's unfair to Maya because we don't know who's making

909
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: the final calls. Ultimately, it's it's probably okay, we do

910
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: know it's good, but you can't you can't help but

911
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: read into the fact that that the Raiders have invested

912
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: more draft capital in defensive backs, in safeties, the position

913
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: that Mayock you know, played, is kind of an expert

914
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: than any team in the league, and they haven't you know,

915
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: necessarily worked out. You know, they're still there. Like I

916
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: think Trayvon Mullin could be good dame in our net star.

917
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 1: There more rigs there. They picked up Hayward as a

918
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 1: free agent. I mean, Donovan Neighboring has been kind of

919
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 1: a bust so far. Like those are a ton of picks,

920
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: and you kind of you associate that a little bit

921
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: with Mayock and they're not working out. Like this is

922
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: when I when he says like we need to be

923
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 1: a playoff team, I kind of think it's like, we

924
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: need to be a competent defense because I've had a

925
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: big hand in putting together this defense and it's been

926
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: one of the worst in the NFL. Yeah, definitely, competency

927
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: is definitely key. If they can be they'd be like

928
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:31,919
Speaker 1: a middle of the road defense. They should be fine

929
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: under offense will be problems. Top ten last year, it

930
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: should be fine this year. They got Josh Jacobs. I

931
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: think he's got a big year. Kenyan Drake is a

932
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: nice little, uh secondary piece they got. Darren Waller is

933
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: only gonna get better. And I think that people think

934
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 1: he's reached the ceiling, but he's not close. And he

935
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: was a receiver in college. He's already in my book,

936
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 1: the third best tight end the league. And he wants

937
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: to be the best, and I'm not betting against him.

938
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 1: So I think that's a key, key piece that a

939
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: lot of teams can't can't defend against. You can't put

940
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 1: a safety on, and you can't put a quarterback ground

941
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:00,879
Speaker 1: kept on lineback gro on and we've got a really

942
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 1: scheme to stop that guy. So they've got a lot

943
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: of tools on offense, and like you said, the defense

944
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: has to be not embarrassing bad and then they'll be

945
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: we'll mix some progress vic we're talking about personnel. But

946
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 1: I think what I think the Raiders may win the

947
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 1: best offseason acquisitions NFL. And that's Gus Bradley right coming

948
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: to this defense. He you talked about a guy who

949
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: knows how to scheme with maybe not a great and

950
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: they've got unique and got ways of stud He's a

951
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 1: he's a winner in terms of beating guys and double

952
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: team and stuff like that. But if you've got a

953
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 1: pass rusher in terms of putting another linebacker on the

954
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 1: same side, like he'll line up him and Crosby on

955
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 1: the same side when you get in the regular season, No,

956
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: he'll do some gaming. How much to it Gus Bradley

957
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: likes to do again, leaving the corners out there in

958
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: zone protection and getting after upfront. Do you think can

959
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: help out this defense? Yeah, definitely. I think Gress has

960
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 1: been a big breath of fresher, not just spyschematically, like

961
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: he's making a defense simpler. Guys have to think as

962
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 1: much last year and the guys we're trying to think

963
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: about where they should be in their assignments and the

964
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,800
Speaker 1: should be able to do that. But last year, obviously

965
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: it was a problem. So simply defense guys can run

966
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: and react better. And just in terms of his personality,

967
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 1: is like one of the most optimistic, like happiest guys

968
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: that ever met in my life, which is a huge

969
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 1: nothing with Paul Gunther. Gunther was more of a hardcore,

970
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: kind of in your face kind of guy, going well gruffly.

971
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 1: So I think based on the just on the whole

972
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: attitude change of this young guys has definitely been welcome

973
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:30,959
Speaker 1: as well. So Guss is just like you exactly. Gus

974
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: and I are like the same. But I'm gonna look,

975
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: I'm looking into my crystal ball Vic. We're gonna see

976
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 1: g I in this later, so just play along and

977
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: I see nine and eight for the Raiders. Is that

978
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: optimistic pessimistic or is it right on? That's probably pretty close.

979
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 1: I mean, I think with the Vegas were unders still

980
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: Saturn a half, which I think is a little low.

981
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 1: I think just the offense should there's no reason the

982
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 1: offense shouldn't be good the old line. I know a

983
00:48:57,840 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: lot of people said they got rid of the three

984
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 1: ventered Venteran guys. Ronnie Hudson gave Jackson Trent Brown, who

985
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:06,240
Speaker 1: definitely one part of big time guys, and but they

986
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: should be fine. The death is again questionable, but they

987
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: want should be good enough. I think the winning game

988
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: will be fine. So again all comes out of defense.

989
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 1: I think the defense can have to make a big

990
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: jump on Address Bradley and then Gowth and they can

991
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 1: do better than nine eight. But I think my eight

992
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 1: is definitely a fair and pretty probably a pretty accurate goal.

993
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:25,399
Speaker 1: I know it's a little random, but I don't want

994
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: to let you go before just because you were there

995
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: every day, like what happened to my guy Smokey Brown.

996
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: He won the award in Mayock and John Gruden won

997
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: the award this year. And tell someone, tell me if

998
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, But I'm pretty sure he got the most

999
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 1: amount of guaranteed money of any player across the NFL

1000
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: this offseason that did not make the team, and like

1001
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: Za Jones made the team over John Brown, Like what

1002
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: what happened here? Like this is the type of stuff

1003
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 1: that does make you worry about the structure that like

1004
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: Dan was talking about at the beginning, like what happened there?

1005
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: I think when John Brown signed here, he looked at

1006
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 1: the roster, the depth Charlotte I've got Rugs, Edwards, the

1007
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 1: draft picks. I get that. I thought he might be

1008
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: their number one. He was pretty good last year and

1009
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,919
Speaker 1: number one. I mean, I don't know, you love John Brown,

1010
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:11,839
Speaker 1: not Jooning. Brown had a good year last year, But

1011
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: I think his his problem was he came and didn't

1012
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 1: realize how much of coaches loves A Jones. With coaches,

1013
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 1: they loves A Jones Jones. I think he had like

1014
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 1: fifteen catches last year on a guess and got a

1015
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 1: million dollar pay increased this year. They gave him one

1016
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: million dollars more than one point fively made last year,

1017
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: So clearly they liked him. Allies and Gray always says,

1018
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,399
Speaker 1: in the best shape for anyone on the roster and

1019
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: smart guy, veteran John loves the veteran receiver. So I

1020
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: think John Brown is probably surprised during camp that hey,

1021
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: I'm below Z Jones and so at some point he's like,

1022
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: I can't be below A Jones. I'm gonna play. He's

1023
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 1: good enough to play somewhere. So, um yeah, ideally you

1024
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: don't give a guy three point trew million dollars and

1025
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: then cut him. Um, that's probably as kind of ideal

1026
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 1: in the ideal world, but you gotta jack up those

1027
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 1: prices on like the pool season tickets or whatever, you know,

1028
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: like like hanging out on the sidelines. That the thing

1029
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: if you're if you're just throwing three point two million

1030
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: dollars away, Yeah, that's actually I think as one point

1031
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: seven five was signing bonus and the one point five

1032
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 1: salaries offset, so we signed somewhere else, So I think

1033
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: you will. But still it's two million dollars. You you're

1034
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 1: pretty much lit on fire, which is not not good.

1035
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: But again, the history of those team's transactions over the years,

1036
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: that's not an uncommon occurrence. They kind of they like

1037
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: monning on fire pretty regularly. So, um, is a any

1038
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 1: Jones plays well? No one's gonna care about this, you know,

1039
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 1: week six, and I think last year was a big surprise.

1040
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: I don't know if that Jones can do that, but

1041
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: you should be able to be fine in there offense

1042
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 1: and makes some key plays for him every now and then.

1043
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,439
Speaker 1: And speaking of fire as we let you go, Vic,

1044
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 1: and thank you so much for your time. You are.

1045
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,720
Speaker 1: You're a guy that's respected. I'm sure in that building

1046
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:53,720
Speaker 1: they all love Vic. Maybe sometimes they don't know. Yes, yeah,

1047
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: that's a batch of honor as we all know. But

1048
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 1: but maybe you could use your cloud within the team

1049
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: to replace the digital flame with the real deal holy field.

1050
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: Get us back the the everlasting flame, the Al Davis flame.

1051
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: Just one thing to work on this season. Maybe if

1052
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:14,919
Speaker 1: you have some extra time. That's pretty big fire line

1053
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: off that might be dangerous. I like the idea, but well,

1054
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: I'll see what I can do. I'll make some calls

1055
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: and next time Vix and he's gonna share some examples

1056
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,479
Speaker 1: of the team disliking him, and that's gonna be fun.

1057
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 1: I'll be good, all right. Do you want me to

1058
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 1: tell Vic? I can know till the off season, all right,

1059
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: Think best of luck, luck this season, and thanks for

1060
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: joining us. Um, how do I go there? He gave

1061
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: us so much time and it was great. But my

1062
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 1: one of the thought when I think about this roster is, yeah,

1063
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if Darren Waller gets better. I mean

1064
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 1: he was basically uncoverable in the last six or seven

1065
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 1: weeks of the season. If you get that guy, that

1066
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: is going to be more than good enough. And I

1067
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: believe that cars who he is, which is like above

1068
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: the Dalton line. Maybe not a true franchise UM star,

1069
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: but a guy that will win games. Uh. And Josh

1070
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 1: Jacobs should solidify that backfield. Henry Ruggs twelve overall pick

1071
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 1: last year. If they could add one more guy that

1072
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: is a real difference maker on offense, they can win

1073
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: some of these shootouts. Um, and they did well against

1074
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: the Chiefs lash year. As you remember, Ruggs is such

1075
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:24,919
Speaker 1: a key guy after tough here. I know he's put

1076
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: on some muscles with that old trope, but they kind

1077
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 1: of need one more guy if they really want to

1078
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: win some of these shootouts. If their defense is only

1079
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:36,240
Speaker 1: gonna be May maybe two because they don't have Nelson Aghlar.

1080
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 1: That was maybe I'm overrating John Brown. Last year. I

1081
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: remember some big games and taken it back by how

1082
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:43,720
Speaker 1: much you like John I mean, and maybe I'm over ratum,

1083
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 1: but they're starting Rugs, They're starting Brian Edwards. They love

1084
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:51,359
Speaker 1: Brian Edwards, they love Za Jones. That they are also

1085
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: an answer to who are three receivers who have never

1086
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 1: topped five yards or six hundred yards in a in

1087
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 1: an NFL season before? Like that never, not not one

1088
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 1: of those three guy have ever done anything? And and

1089
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 1: Edwards and Rugs are just entering a year two. That's

1090
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: maybe it's a little unfair and maybe they're going to

1091
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 1: be great, but they better be right, I guess about

1092
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 1: that stuff. Scouting, Yeah, especially they want to get past

1093
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 1: the Broncos, right, Greig, Hey, it's a good Broncos number

1094
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: two chick, it's a good division. I know Steve is

1095
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 1: super busy like we are during the season. But if

1096
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:24,879
Speaker 1: we can get Steve back on at some point once

1097
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: the season really takes shape and we decide who was

1098
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 1: right and who was wrong about the Broncos, someone gets

1099
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,479
Speaker 1: to have a victory parade over the other guy. Uh.

1100
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: And I'm just gonna sit from the from the stands

1101
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: and enjoy it all. I can't wait. I'm hoping they

1102
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 1: live up to the potential. But I'm just saying they've

1103
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: got They've got an average twenty four points game this

1104
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: division to even have a shot, and I just don't

1105
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 1: know if that's gonna happen unless they get the takeaways

1106
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 1: on defense, get those fans of points like the Rams

1107
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: got last year with all of their defensive scores. Taking

1108
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 1: on Steve Weich is not like a smart move within

1109
00:54:56,040 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 1: NFL media. It's like that that's a bit like Steve

1110
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 1: he was back on NFL a M back in the day.

1111
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't know where a lot of that

1112
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 1: that crew is, but Steve still right here, you know

1113
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And Steve's in the sas and you're

1114
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 1: you're gonna get a text about four minutes from now,

1115
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 1: Gregg from White's being like, don't you ever cross me

1116
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: on the show? Don't you ever disagree with me? Don't

1117
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:19,919
Speaker 1: you know who I that's me. I'm hard man, I'm hard,

1118
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 1: all right, Steve tell us, first of all, get your

1119
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: Steve White song submissions in Everybody be a part of

1120
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: the show's history forever. Uh the E t N podcast

1121
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:33,720
Speaker 1: at Gmail, Steve, where can listeners find you? This season.

1122
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 1: I know you're all over the place. Yeah, look, I

1123
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 1: mean I'm gonna be here from time to time. No podcast,

1124
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 1: no podcast. The hotal flow has has has met its maker.

1125
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 1: It's been shuttered. Bummer, Okay, it's it's it's yeah. It's

1126
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 1: unfortunately in the ether. But you can find me on

1127
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: the Twitter accounts at White eight nine. I will be

1128
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:59,879
Speaker 1: on NFL Now, Game Day and all other pretty much

1129
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 1: NFL media people should check out Sunday. I know, I

1130
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 1: know that Black College Football Hall of Fame game and

1131
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: you're excited about that. Aren't they going to play? That?

1132
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: Is that different than the two the game they were

1133
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 1: hoping to play at two Lane at some point. No, no,

1134
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:14,919
Speaker 1: this this is different. The game at two Lane is

1135
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,280
Speaker 1: is the week after the Super Bowl. That's gonna happen,

1136
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: uh February nineteenth. That is the HBCU Legacy Bowl. That's

1137
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 1: that's kind of the Black College Senior Bowl. It's gonna

1138
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:26,959
Speaker 1: be week. We could work out up to one draft

1139
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 1: eligible players there for our team, jump scout and all this. Now,

1140
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 1: this is an actual game, you know, to kick things

1141
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: off between Tennessee State and Grambling, the two of the

1142
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 1: most historic HBCUs in college football history. It confused me

1143
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 1: because it's at the Tom Benson Stadium and Canon I got.

1144
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: I kind of like mixed it all up. A good

1145
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 1: job by Tom Benson. Good job and as you know

1146
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 1: at Tulane, like the Benson's also helped fund Yolman Stadium.

1147
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: It's like Yoman Stadium at Benson Field and everything at

1148
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:56,919
Speaker 1: Lane University. So yes, depends on how they're hing a lot.

1149
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:00,040
Speaker 1: And and speaking of Benson, shout out to everybody in

1150
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 1: New Orleans, the Gulf, the Gulf Coast, especially in the past.

1151
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,280
Speaker 1: We're seeing in New Jersey, New York and Pennsylvania, Delaware

1152
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 1: too with the storms. Many they're going through it, so

1153
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 1: we can only wish the best for them. What's that

1154
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 1: The Raiders have just signed K J. Wright? Okay, Bradley Link,

1155
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: Bradley Link, Grave Digger hit the drop. I can't believe

1156
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: he was out there for this long. He was six.

1157
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 1: He was number sixty seven to one. That was risky

1158
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 1: moved by Grave Digger right, as we're you know, and

1159
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 1: in the show over the line there of whether it's

1160
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: worth the breaking news. kJ Right was ranked in our

1161
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: in our top top fifty. I think free agents available

1162
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: so I think it just cleared the line. That is

1163
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 1: that that was worth it. It was a top one

1164
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: hundred player, Top one hundred players, number sixty seven. He

1165
00:57:56,200 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 1: was just out there until now pick up, great pick up.

1166
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 1: That's Grave Digger and hit me the hit me to

1167
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: the drop again, Grave Digger. That's Grave Digger. Like he's

1168
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 1: he's four of six from behind the arc at the

1169
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 1: y and all of a sudden he just pulls up

1170
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 1: from twenty eight and says, let's see what happens here

1171
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 1: and guess what. Swish baby. That's one of the Yeah,

1172
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 1: you better make it or else. Everyone's looking at you sideways.

1173
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: It's like, who do you think you are? Steph Curry?

1174
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 1: But he connected, he connected, He rattled. It in very

1175
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 1: interesting to watch how the Raiders they're they're fascinating team

1176
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 1: this season and we'll see how it plays out. Thank you,

1177
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 1: Mr Weish, you're the best. And Greg. We'll be back

1178
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 1: tomorrow well, yes, on NFL dot Com and then on

1179
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 1: NFL Network after that with the Around the NFL broadcast.

1180
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: It's our final hour long show before we go to

1181
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 1: a two hour show in the regular season where we'll

1182
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 1: embrace a new format that's gonna give you coverage of

1183
00:58:56,680 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 1: every team every episode. We're really excited about that. Will

1184
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: tell you more about it as it gets closer. How

1185
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 1: long do we have to wait till it's like polite

1186
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: to ask Steve to come back, because we've got two

1187
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 1: hours to fill Steve, we're gonna it's gonna be when

1188
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 1: the Broncos, when the Broncos are eight and one, I'll

1189
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 1: be right there, Okay, okay, awesome, alright, so make sure

1190
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 1: you check that out and follow Steve. Thank you, Grave

1191
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 1: digger for filling in so beautifully all week, and we

1192
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:21,959
Speaker 1: will be back next week, which will be the week

1193
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 1: of the regular season's beginning. Beautiful till then heed the call.