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Speaker 1: I'm a creative control network and everywhere in between. You
Speaker 1: didn't know by now my name is Chad. Every single
Speaker 1: week I'm joined here by the the rocking out Queen
Speaker 1: of Extreme, Francy Francine. I threw a little curveball. I
Speaker 1: brought a little uh extra production values at this broadcast today.
Speaker 1: Are we allowed to air guy clip? It is very
Speaker 1: approved and safe stream Yard issued background. Oh yeah, that
Speaker 1: was a very nice time. You need to need to
Speaker 1: see more of that in the future. It adds to
Speaker 1: the the whole shebang of the show. I feel it's
Speaker 1: very funny. There's a lot of choices, but I thought
Speaker 1: that one worked with our theme of extreme. We have
Speaker 1: a theme. Well, you're it's the Queen's Extreme podcast. True, sure,
Speaker 1: francis Extreme podcasts. So it's extreme extreme. Everything's extreme these days.
Speaker 1: Everywhere you go, everything's extreme. Right. Oh yeah, Well, anything
Speaker 1: happening in either one of our worlds. I don't think
Speaker 1: it matters what isn't happening? Yeah, I just you know,
Speaker 1: I really would love to get into it a little more.
Speaker 1: But I've I'm working with four different people on four
Speaker 1: different projects that have to do with with wrestling and
Speaker 1: a little bit beyond. And you know, you work on
Speaker 1: all these projects and it's exhausting because ninety nine percent
Speaker 1: of them never happen. You just work and work and work.
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm like, I'm not throwing all my eggs
Speaker 1: into one guy's basket. Like I've read the eggs around,
Speaker 1: which doesn't sound right. Let me rephrase that, reads the
Speaker 1: eggs around. Okay, basket, No, that didn't sound correct. You
Speaker 1: figure one out of four is a good percentage. So
Speaker 1: if I can get one of these projects to take off,
Speaker 1: I would be a happy camper. So I've just between
Speaker 1: you know, the kids are back to school this week,
Speaker 1: doing the homeschooling thing. You know, husband's doing his thing
Speaker 1: at work. I got the kids here, my mom's here,
Speaker 1: I'm handling phone calls. I knocked out my cameos this
Speaker 1: morning early. So it's been a productive week for me.
Speaker 1: It's been pretty good. We closed the pool, which I'm
Speaker 1: sad about. Summer's over. I can't by, but we did
Speaker 1: book a little more of Disney, so that made me
Speaker 1: happy again. So things are happening. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: got a very exciting text message from a friend about
Speaker 1: a new opportunity that somebody's interested for me. So I'm
Speaker 1: just like, I'm excited, and I don't know if anything's
Speaker 1: gonna happen, but the possibilities are there, so I'm excited.
Speaker 1: The possibilities are endless. I wouldn't say they're endless, but
Speaker 1: there's a couple on the table. Okay, pretty good for
Speaker 1: this old broad So I'm excited. I'm happy about it.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Yeah, that's great. See the fifty and
Speaker 1: Fabulous tour. I can't use I can't stop the bus.
Speaker 1: The bus has to keep going for a while. You know,
Speaker 1: how's it been being home last couple of weekends because
Speaker 1: you were traveling a shitload at the end of your Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what, it's been nice. And I said before,
Speaker 1: like September, Shane and I are we were booked on
Speaker 1: one thing and then the guy canceled, which kind of
Speaker 1: was a blessing. Well it was a blessing because you know,
Speaker 1: I wanted to get the kids started with schoolwork and stuff.
Speaker 1: But now I look at October, and I'm booked three
Speaker 1: weekends in October because I just got another booking this
Speaker 1: week for October, and I'm like, wow, okay, so I'm
Speaker 1: going to enjoy this time off because then you know,
Speaker 1: once October and November and December. Hey, I got a
Speaker 1: lot coming up. So I cherished the time home. But
Speaker 1: I'm excited to get back on the road too. That's great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love this time of the year. This is this
Speaker 1: is a fun time. You know, whether it should be changing,
Speaker 1: but down in Virginia stays ungodly hot. But this is
Speaker 1: my favorite time of the year. And it's like a
Speaker 1: time of transition, especially after Labor Day. It's like that
Speaker 1: next little wave of the rest of the year is
Speaker 1: going to unfold and who knows what's going on. You know,
Speaker 1: you're planning your Disney trip for next year already. It's
Speaker 1: it's one of those things. It's like there's only a
Speaker 1: little bit left in the year. Yeah, so yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: And this year flew by and it was a busy
Speaker 1: one and I'm really thankful for it. But you know,
Speaker 1: the time that I do have off, I love spending
Speaker 1: it with the kids and the family. Been you know,
Speaker 1: we've been just hanging out doing stuff together and it's
Speaker 1: been nice, enjoyed. What what'd you do for the Labor Day? Oh,
Speaker 1: we just chilled. It was just a very relaxing weekend.
Speaker 1: Eight food of course, like everybody else, we went and
Speaker 1: got an abundance of comfort food and just hung around
Speaker 1: and enjoyed the weather and hung out. So it was nice.
Speaker 1: That's that's very good. There's a ton to talk about there,
Speaker 1: it is. But we do have a special guest we do.
Speaker 1: I have to get my excuse me for one second,
Speaker 1: talk to the people. I have to grab my phone.
Speaker 1: I left it in the other room. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: So hold on one second and talk to the people. Oh,
Speaker 1: because he just texted me, Are you guys calling me?
Speaker 1: Or am I calling in to you guys? So let
Speaker 1: me tell our guests that we're going to get him.
Speaker 1: He just texted me. He just it was right. I
Speaker 1: could see it from where I was sitting, but it
Speaker 1: was just that much out of reach where I could
Speaker 1: have get it. He's like, are you guys calling me?
Speaker 1: Or am I calling into you guys? He just has
Speaker 1: to click the thing and I'm just I just read chat.
Speaker 1: It's going to call you get ready, Well, we're going
Speaker 1: to click. I'm sitting Tell them you do it? Come on?
Speaker 1: You know how he is by now? I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just it's it's not like he's a first timer. I
Speaker 1: think he's in the five time club. Now is this
Speaker 1: his fit appearance on the show? Oh? Boy? Well he
Speaker 1: deserves it the five times? Is he the founding member
Speaker 1: of the five time? He's one of those guys who's
Speaker 1: been there every step of the way he has been. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: I'll do a long intro for him. Uh, he's been
Speaker 1: my partner now for thirty it's thirty years. I guess
Speaker 1: from that intro you would know who he is. We
Speaker 1: on the line yet, hold on, I'm doing the one. Okay, sorry.
Speaker 1: With everything that has happened in the wrestling business since
Speaker 1: his last appearance chat and I thought it would be
Speaker 1: interesting to get his views on current events and also
Speaker 1: Vince McMahon and what's going on with him. There was
Speaker 1: a video of him at his what was it his
Speaker 1: seventy seventh birthday party or something and a new lady
Speaker 1: friend who could be pr and could be a love interest.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but he did not want to talk
Speaker 1: to tmzret the cameras. But I know who likes to
Speaker 1: talk to the cameras, and that is our friend the franchise,
Speaker 1: Shane Douglas, who will be joining us here in just
Speaker 1: a moment. Shortly, shortly, Okay, he will be appearing soon.
Speaker 1: But he's gonna have a lot to say about this
Speaker 1: because when when the ship hit the fan, my phone
Speaker 1: blew up and it's him. That was all him for
Speaker 1: a while, saying what about this? What about that? And
Speaker 1: between the text messages and talking on the phone, we
Speaker 1: discussed a lot of it off air. So I want
Speaker 1: you guys to hear his thoughts because you know, he's
Speaker 1: very smart to the business and he has a great,
Speaker 1: a great view of what's going on, which might be
Speaker 1: different than mine. It might be the same as mine,
Speaker 1: might be different than yours, Chaid, but we'll see when
Speaker 1: he comes on. So that's going to be exciting. I
Speaker 1: almost think that this is more of a compelling story
Speaker 1: than Vince leaving WWE. I have stuff, guess what's going
Speaker 1: on this past week. I think it's almost more of
Speaker 1: a compelling development for the wrestling world than Vince McMahon
Speaker 1: leaving his company. You know what, I think it's up there.
Speaker 1: I think it's up there because think of this, what
Speaker 1: if things continue to crumble for ae W and Tony
Speaker 1: Kahn's dad. It's just like no more. I'm done. All right,
Speaker 1: let's see what is he there? You hear us? Hey?
Speaker 1: What's happening? Oh? I can't see the quaff. I'm very upset.
Speaker 1: It's magnificent. It is more magnificent. We'll call it today,
Speaker 1: we'll call it a crest. A crest. Yeah, very good. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you look handsome as ever even though we
Speaker 1: can't see you. Thank you for right now I am.
Speaker 1: Do you have your hands under the angelical pose that
Speaker 1: you do for me all the time it's been it's
Speaker 1: been a hot minute since I talked to you. I
Speaker 1: spoke to you this morning a little bit through text.
Speaker 1: But how are we today? Are we running errands? Or
Speaker 1: are we on the road? Yeah? This whole labor day stuff.
Speaker 1: Every time it's a holiday like this, it throws my
Speaker 1: entire schedule off. I woke up this morning thinking it
Speaker 1: was Thursday morning that I was due to be on
Speaker 1: the road. So I'm running around pack of my bag,
Speaker 1: and then I looked out at my phone and I
Speaker 1: see Wednesday, and yeah, because when you had said to me, oh,
Speaker 1: moose has me doing something? I'm like on a Wednesday,
Speaker 1: this is weird. Yeah, yeah, exactly, Will Shane let me
Speaker 1: tell you there's a lot going on in the wrestling world.
Speaker 1: And then you know, I don't and I don't know
Speaker 1: if you have an opinion on it, but I wanted
Speaker 1: to see if you did. So Chad said, you didn't
Speaker 1: even hear anything until he texted you. How can that be? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I live under a rock. When I'm home, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm either reading or you know, doing paperwork or whatever.
Speaker 1: And I closed my door and shut that twilight zone out. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was it. Day before last, Chad, when you sent
Speaker 1: me a link and I was close, he said, you know,
Speaker 1: got to talk to everything that's going on. And when
Speaker 1: I clicked on it, you know it's again, this twilight
Speaker 1: is overliving and like everything you look at when you
Speaker 1: first look at it, like that something that crazy, you
Speaker 1: assume that it's a worker, it's it's it's eight up
Speaker 1: because it's so outlandish. But once I started reading the
Speaker 1: different links and working my way through that, yeah, like
Speaker 1: you know, you said it a second ago. Freddy a
Speaker 1: hot mess. Right, This is a like from where I
Speaker 1: come from in the business. You know, no place for that.
Speaker 1: You know, it's ah. But you know, somebody else that
Speaker 1: I was talking to said, you know, this is what
Speaker 1: happens when you let the inmates run the asylum. And
Speaker 1: I guess from what I've been hearing again like full disclosure,
Speaker 1: I don't follow it that closely, but hearing from friends
Speaker 1: of mine inside the company saying, hey, the kids won't listen. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't remember that being an option when the rob
Speaker 1: was a kid in the business. And now you have
Speaker 1: this situation where it's bleeding out, you know, locker room
Speaker 1: stuff bleeding out into the company. You know, look, full
Speaker 1: disclosure to any company, right, any company has this kind
Speaker 1: of water cooler garbage going on. Most companies keep it
Speaker 1: under wraps and keep it in the back rooms. You know,
Speaker 1: when it starts to bleed out like that, it's a
Speaker 1: really really bad look for the company. I agree. And
Speaker 1: the one thing that I have said, and I even
Speaker 1: said this from the last time they had a press conference.
Speaker 1: If you compare Tony Kahn to Vince McMahon or even
Speaker 1: to Hunter right with the way they handle their business,
Speaker 1: it is like ae W looks so bushly to me.
Speaker 1: They are cursing, they are It just looks so unprofessional
Speaker 1: for running such a huge organization. Say what you will
Speaker 1: about Vince McMahon, he has never dropped a n F
Speaker 1: bomb in a press conference that I've heard. You know,
Speaker 1: it's one way to talk like that behind the scenes,
Speaker 1: if you're in the locker room, because we all know
Speaker 1: you guys talk like truck driver, it's exactly we get it.
Speaker 1: But when you're in front of people and you're promoting
Speaker 1: your company, that it just looks so bid. I'm watching
Speaker 1: Tony Kahan dropping F palm after f and his crazy
Speaker 1: eyes are all over the place, sweating, and I'm just like,
Speaker 1: what is going on with this man. I know he's passionate,
Speaker 1: which is wonderful. Sure, I love that about him, but
Speaker 1: there's there's just there's a way to handle things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and after three years, you don't know that this is
Speaker 1: not the right way to go about things. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I completely agree. Look, it's uh, the world is well
Speaker 1: aware of the wrestling world is well aware of my
Speaker 1: personal feelings about Vince McMahon. But Vince is a professional, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's how he built that empire. Uh. You
Speaker 1: can disagree like I do, with a lot of his decisions,
Speaker 1: but you're never gonna hear him, you know, drop an
Speaker 1: F bomb on USA. I'm going to wonder, like where,
Speaker 1: first of all, where T and T sits on this,
Speaker 1: because you know they they you know, this is going
Speaker 1: in this press conference for the company that you air
Speaker 1: on your on your network. You know, I'm guessing there's
Speaker 1: probably a little bit of cha grint on their side
Speaker 1: with that. But uh, you're right. I mean, when you know,
Speaker 1: Tony seems I've never met the guy, but it seems
Speaker 1: incredibly passionate about it. Uh. And that's great, That's a
Speaker 1: huge necessity if you're gonna be running a promotion. Uh.
Speaker 1: But when you're going on there and it seemingly to me,
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong again, to those links that
Speaker 1: I looked at, it looked as though he were choosing
Speaker 1: sides publicly. And you know how many times Franny and
Speaker 1: Paul like have a team meeting after the show, uh
Speaker 1: for exactly this thing like personal stuff was bleeding out
Speaker 1: into the camera lens. And you know it didn't happen often,
Speaker 1: but there were times, and we dealt with that in
Speaker 1: the dressing room. Uh it's it's again completely unprofessional. Look,
Speaker 1: and you know, I keep seeing these things where can
Speaker 1: people just throw me loot links? Where Tony's comparing himself
Speaker 1: to you know, the Bischoff and Vince and Paul Hayman,
Speaker 1: and look, each of them had their quirks, right, but
Speaker 1: I don't recall much of that. Gum Paul a little
Speaker 1: bit different beasts because ECW was a different beast. But uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's you know, in anything, you don't air your dirty
Speaker 1: laundry in public, and that's the kind of stuff it.
Speaker 1: It sounds like must have been festering for quite a while.
Speaker 1: But yeah, just like each link that came sort of
Speaker 1: made it worse. You know, like this thing was evolving
Speaker 1: into you know, like insanity and now I won't add
Speaker 1: something you like, you know, several months ago, seven, eight, nine,
Speaker 1: ten months ago, I started seeing noticing, like at conventions
Speaker 1: and signings and things, fans coming up and saying, you know,
Speaker 1: they'd be a fan of AW, but they're out. And
Speaker 1: you know what, I would inquire as to why it
Speaker 1: would be a lot of this kind of stuff. You know,
Speaker 1: there's there's you know, multiple answers, but it's that you know,
Speaker 1: all the stuff we as boys in the business talk about,
Speaker 1: you know, the spot monkey stuff, no storylines, the KFA
Speaker 1: being that, that kind of stuff. But you know, I
Speaker 1: would imagine all of those people now what you've just
Speaker 1: done is you validated all of them. So like the
Speaker 1: ones that are tuned out over that last seven, eight, nine,
Speaker 1: ten months, I'm guessing they're gonna say, well, I'm not
Speaker 1: because of stuff like this. It's there's no place for it.
Speaker 1: You know, there's our business being a work. It's the
Speaker 1: fantasy of the work that brings the fans in, right.
Speaker 1: They want to forget about their job, their life, their
Speaker 1: twilight zone whatever. And now you're bringing your twilight zone
Speaker 1: to them and giving it to you know, nicely wrapped package.
Speaker 1: It just looks really po dunk, really blow apart. So
Speaker 1: an opinion that I kind of have, just being on
Speaker 1: the outside looking in. I see it like the are
Speaker 1: going into business for themselves for a live television right. Yes, Now,
Speaker 1: if you're Tony Kahin, are you such a mark? Which
Speaker 1: are all marks for the business. It's not an insult, right,
Speaker 1: but you want to be one of the boys so
Speaker 1: bad that you're going to let people get away with
Speaker 1: this and it's going to end up hurting your company. Yes,
Speaker 1: Like from a business standpoint, that just blows my mind
Speaker 1: because you're going to give up something that you worked
Speaker 1: so hard for to be accepted by the boys. Yep,
Speaker 1: I just don't. I don't get it. Well, I agree again,
Speaker 1: it's into that professionalism like sometimes the guy running the
Speaker 1: business or the person running the business, like for instance,
Speaker 1: Dixie Carter. We've often talked about this right where Dixie
Speaker 1: would say no, I'm not on air talent on management
Speaker 1: and through that separation because there are times when those
Speaker 1: characters have to be separated. Mister McMahon the character is
Speaker 1: very different than Vince McMahon in the back is the Professon,
Speaker 1: although there are similarities to Sam guy playing the characters, right,
Speaker 1: But you know, Vincent Man, the boss of the company,
Speaker 1: does things very differently than Vince McMahon the character Mister
Speaker 1: McMahon the character would do on screen. But you know,
Speaker 1: you're first of all choosing sides when ultimately, if you're
Speaker 1: the boss, you have to be the referee in that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff and not in the way of refereeing
Speaker 1: saying I say do this or that. It's got to
Speaker 1: be Okay, let's listen to your side, your side in
Speaker 1: a room, not with all the boys and talent and
Speaker 1: crew and fans looking in. We do this behind closed doors.
Speaker 1: But you know, you're saying about like the passion and
Speaker 1: you know the time that they've put in, what about
Speaker 1: the money, I mean millions and millions of dollars and
Speaker 1: you know, you're you know, you're airing this dirty laundry
Speaker 1: out in public and it's just a really, really bad look.
Speaker 1: And the fact that so many people are talking about this, uh,
Speaker 1: tells me that a lot of people have eyes on
Speaker 1: aw right now for all the wrong reasons. Yeah, agreed,
Speaker 1: especially when you know you have something like Vince McMahon retiring,
Speaker 1: Hunter takes over and are over the two million mark
Speaker 1: now for the first time in years. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: do think that AEW's numbers are going to start to
Speaker 1: plumb it because of this. Well they've you know, again
Speaker 1: from my outside looking in. You know, I saw a
Speaker 1: few weeks ago they were down to the threes, were they? Yeah,
Speaker 1: they and they've been as high as one one point
Speaker 1: one million. But you know, since the beginning it is
Speaker 1: October what two and a half years ago, we've watched this,
Speaker 1: you know, jump up a little bit, fall back, jump
Speaker 1: up a little bit, fall back. This is not the
Speaker 1: you know, with that being the paradigm that they've said. Uh,
Speaker 1: and now this happening. I don't want to get you know,
Speaker 1: too far out in front of my skis, but you
Speaker 1: have to start asking yourself. Have they become all they're
Speaker 1: going to be? Or can they grow that company? Can
Speaker 1: they at some point stand on on two feet and
Speaker 1: challenge you know Vans? I think right now that's a
Speaker 1: pipe dream. Uh. They certainly have the wherewithal to do it.
Speaker 1: There's talent, they've got the money, uh, the outlet with TNT,
Speaker 1: but they you know, somebody's gotta be the boss there
Speaker 1: and start to move everybody's energies in the same direction.
Speaker 1: Instead of punk being over here and that you know,
Speaker 1: this guy being over there and a still being here someplace,
Speaker 1: it seems like they're all over all the checkerboard, right,
Speaker 1: and no one consistent message. Shane, Who do you think
Speaker 1: is kind of at fault in the whole entire argument?
Speaker 1: Is it one side is yelling louder than the other
Speaker 1: so they should be heard, or is it everybody's kind
Speaker 1: of sharing equal blame, because you shouldn't a throw your
Speaker 1: colleagues under the bus publicly like that, but also you
Speaker 1: should not get violent and go after them backstage. Oh absolutely,
Speaker 1: I mean there's no place for that in any business, right. Uh,
Speaker 1: but you know I would think that, you know, finger
Speaker 1: pointing is one thing. I mean, I think you're hitting
Speaker 1: the nail on the head here. You have a lot
Speaker 1: of people going a lot of different directions, like just commenting,
Speaker 1: not putting this one first, second or third. I watched
Speaker 1: a you know, punk in a press conference ostensibly for
Speaker 1: the company, and you know, swerves off and says this stuff. Now,
Speaker 1: look to me, that would be a place where you say,
Speaker 1: I'm not in the mood and I'm not going to
Speaker 1: do this here, but I'll be back at the hotel
Speaker 1: in half an hour. Anybody wants to talk to me there,
Speaker 1: I'll be ready. It's private, you're you're you're now doing
Speaker 1: it on your time. The stuff going in the dressing
Speaker 1: room absolutely has no place in our business. I used
Speaker 1: to you know back in the day. Uh, everybody hasn't
Speaker 1: paid attention that we're living in a vastly different world
Speaker 1: today than than back then. And you know, I think
Speaker 1: there's a lot of blame to go around, but ultimately,
Speaker 1: ultimately this falls on the head of the guy at
Speaker 1: the top of the ladder, right, which will be Tony's
Speaker 1: on which during the fracae, he's still in the media scrum,
Speaker 1: never got out of his seat, And during the Jericho
Speaker 1: portion of this, sco I felt it was embarrassing that
Speaker 1: he was literally kissing the ass of Chris Jericho and
Speaker 1: talking about stories of going to the ECW Arena to
Speaker 1: see Jericho's debut and remembering the tights that he wore
Speaker 1: and he wanted to replicate that at the pay per view.
Speaker 1: All the while his company is in turmoil behind the
Speaker 1: closed door, with security guards running past the media quote
Speaker 1: unquote media, and he's sitting there, you know, a sense
Speaker 1: extensively sucking the you know what of Chris Jericho in
Speaker 1: front of the cameras well. I mean, the being an historian,
Speaker 1: the equivalent would be narrow fiddling while Rome burns. Right.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's something on this list was a little
Speaker 1: more important than the other things. And you know, again,
Speaker 1: first of all, they're not too far gone, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: they still have a lot of eyes on them, some
Speaker 1: of a network, but I would hope that right now,
Speaker 1: as we're doing this interview, that Tony Kahan, his management team,
Speaker 1: whoever that may be, or sitting down and trying to assess,
Speaker 1: like where do we go wrong? How do we fix this's?
Speaker 1: How do we stop it going ahead? I mean, we've
Speaker 1: heard this for how long from friends of ours inside
Speaker 1: the business, inside the company, right that the inmates are
Speaker 1: running the asylum. Nobody will listen well when that goes
Speaker 1: on and is allowed to persist in any business, but
Speaker 1: especially wrestling, or a lot of ego and a lot
Speaker 1: of uh you know, uh, piston vinegar. You know they're
Speaker 1: in that dressing room. A lot of egos, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: left unchecked, that'll rear its head at some point. It
Speaker 1: looks like you started to in AW. I kind of
Speaker 1: feel like now this is showing my age being in
Speaker 1: you know, in it for the moost thirty years. I
Speaker 1: feel like the dynamic I know right, I feel like
Speaker 1: the dynamics of the business have changed drastically. I feel
Speaker 1: like there was a lot more and it's not for
Speaker 1: every single person performing today. There's there's there's certain people.
Speaker 1: I feel like the level of respect for for not
Speaker 1: only wrestling, in general before each other has plummeted, and everybody,
Speaker 1: you know, they're in it for themselves. And I just remember,
Speaker 1: like if I ever had a problem with somebody back
Speaker 1: in the day, I would keep it to myself, and
Speaker 1: even if I had to work with them, I would
Speaker 1: go like nothing ever happened, because it's good for business.
Speaker 1: It's good for the company, it's good for my pocket,
Speaker 1: it's good for your pocket, right well, and the other
Speaker 1: stuff is bad for all those things. Right, So like
Speaker 1: if you know, if you're out in the ring and
Speaker 1: you and your opponent, everybody knows there's real heat there
Speaker 1: that can be utilized in a way, you know, to
Speaker 1: draw money. But ultimately you've got to know I can
Speaker 1: send these two talents to the ring and that I'm
Speaker 1: going to break out into a shoot. Yeah. First of all,
Speaker 1: shoots are boring. You know, if anybody's watched a you know,
Speaker 1: a bar fight, you know, hardly as eloquent as a
Speaker 1: good wrestling match. But yeah, but you know, the respect
Speaker 1: thing you're talking about. I don't know if that's just
Speaker 1: Johnny come lately in our business, but I like in it.
Speaker 1: You know, again in my old age, right that that
Speaker 1: everybody is a narcissist today because everybody feels compelled that
Speaker 1: what I have to say is so important. I got
Speaker 1: to stop right now and get on the internet and
Speaker 1: tell the world what I'm having for lunch, chorret that
Speaker 1: I'm taking my dog for a walk, or that I'm
Speaker 1: scratching my ass, And so that puts me into business
Speaker 1: for myself. Right, you guys are worried about your stuff,
Speaker 1: but I gotta get online and tell the world what
Speaker 1: Shane Douglass is doing at this very moment. And I
Speaker 1: think that's now bleeding over right. You have everybody in
Speaker 1: that dressing room thinks they're the most important call or
Speaker 1: only their point of view matters. And you know, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: you know, those of us that are grown up, you
Speaker 1: know know that that's not how the world operates. Most times.
Speaker 1: You've got to co exist with people that you may
Speaker 1: not like, especially in the workplace. And you know this
Speaker 1: is a workplace, you know, so you know, again, I
Speaker 1: go back. I don't want to be savage on it
Speaker 1: or anything, but like it's time for Tony kN to
Speaker 1: stand up and if he wants to be the next
Speaker 1: Vince McMahon or Eric Bischoff or Paul Hammett or whoever
Speaker 1: to stand up and take control of that company. If
Speaker 1: you remember Freddie we had there were some of this
Speaker 1: with Paul too, that would allow this stuff to sort
Speaker 1: of fester on. And it was like the boys in
Speaker 1: the dressingroom sort of took that under their own wing
Speaker 1: and sort of resolved it. But you know, you cannot
Speaker 1: have the inmates running the asylum. You cannot have somebody
Speaker 1: thinking they're more important than somebody else, or their point
Speaker 1: of view is more important than somebody else. And again
Speaker 1: that starts at the top. Well, speaking of the top,
Speaker 1: we're going to go from one subject to another because
Speaker 1: we haven't talked to you since this happened. What are
Speaker 1: your thoughts on Vince McMahon stepping down as chairman and
Speaker 1: CEO of w W E. Yeah, us right, I mean
Speaker 1: a tectonic shift in our industry. You know, my entirety
Speaker 1: in the business. Vince McMahon has been a major CagA
Speaker 1: that you know, and those of us that know him
Speaker 1: and have worked for him knows that there was no
Speaker 1: way that you know, he would just say Okay, it's
Speaker 1: time to retire and go off to the beach and
Speaker 1: have a my tie or Margarita. The way that it happened,
Speaker 1: the ignominious way that it happened, I think is, you know,
Speaker 1: puts a really bad mark on what he had done
Speaker 1: in the industry. You know, he had taken it to the
Speaker 1: the heights that none of us could have ever imagined.
Speaker 1: But you know, if you remember, we first talked about
Speaker 1: this privately, you know, like just sitting around bs and
Speaker 1: and you know we said that, you know, if there
Speaker 1: was one of these payments, there's going to be more.
Speaker 1: And you know the fact that they I think they've
Speaker 1: done an amazing job at keeping it from spiraling out
Speaker 1: of control because you know, those of us again that
Speaker 1: have worked there know that there was a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff going, but that they sort of narrowed that down.
Speaker 1: I think that Vince's resignation is what allowed that to happen.
Speaker 1: If he hadn't retired, that he hadn't moved on, I
Speaker 1: think a lot more magnifying glasses would have been put
Speaker 1: on there. I'm just curious as to how retired quotation
Speaker 1: marks around it he really is. But you know the
Speaker 1: fact that you can see new blood in there stirring
Speaker 1: it up. And you mentioned it a minute ago, Franny
Speaker 1: about the ratings increase. That tells me that the fan
Speaker 1: base is still solid, but it's also alarming that the
Speaker 1: fan base has chosen by and large to stay away
Speaker 1: from the industry for how long. You know, got to
Speaker 1: get it back to what it's supposed to be. And
Speaker 1: if you do that, if you build it, they'll come.
Speaker 1: And I think WW is proving that right now. It's
Speaker 1: but's I'm not gonna give final judgment yet, but so far,
Speaker 1: so good. Let's see if they keep moving in the
Speaker 1: right direction. Will you miss him? Shane? You know my
Speaker 1: you know renowned my my experiences with events right now,
Speaker 1: but we're two different people, not going to ever get along,
Speaker 1: probably never going to agree on approach to the business.
Speaker 1: That said, he's you know, achieved amazing heights of what
Speaker 1: he's done, and you can't. Ultimately the bottom line, the
Speaker 1: final analysis, you have to judge based off the body
Speaker 1: of work. And you know, he's again taken wrestling from
Speaker 1: the smoke filled arenas to mainstream and you know, back
Speaker 1: thirty forty years ago that would have been unheard of.
Speaker 1: You couldn't even imagine as I was a kid in
Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Siffic Arena watching Berno and Dominic and all
Speaker 1: of those guys. You couldn't imagine that kind of a
Speaker 1: future for wrestling, and you know he's responsible for that.
Speaker 1: But he's also responsible for like where we've seen the industry,
Speaker 1: you know, and it collapses with you know, all the
Speaker 1: territories and how many people employed and how many fans
Speaker 1: have left. There's always the yin and yang, right, you
Speaker 1: can't give the glory without giving the final epitaph. And
Speaker 1: he's a responsib for that too. So I think any
Speaker 1: fair analysis of Vince's history in the business will be
Speaker 1: a compendium incredible ship and some bad shit as well.
Speaker 1: So just wait and see it. To me, there's always
Speaker 1: another chapter with Vince. Sung's waiting to see what that is.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like, like Chrispin Waffer example, a totally different,
Speaker 1: you know, different thing, but he was erased from the company.
Speaker 1: If this was anybody other than Vince McMahon, is this
Speaker 1: severe enough to be exiled and never spoke of again?
Speaker 1: The way he manipulated these women? Or is this is
Speaker 1: this a pass because you know, I know it's Vince,
Speaker 1: But if it was somebody else, do you think they
Speaker 1: would have been forgotten about? Oh? They would have been
Speaker 1: pushed out the door. You know again, Ila Chris right,
Speaker 1: it's uh, and I'm not comparing it to murder, you know,
Speaker 1: murdering or anything like that, but I'm just saying this
Speaker 1: is this is a heavy accusation, very serious and and
Speaker 1: uh you know again how that plays out. You know
Speaker 1: again we're look, I think we're witnessing in the world
Speaker 1: right now, there's you know, very enunciated two tiered system,
Speaker 1: right like somebody at the top of the heap can
Speaker 1: do something, somebody down that ladder probably can't. Uh. But
Speaker 1: you know, to me, I this stuff that these accusations
Speaker 1: and allegations very seriously. You know, if somebody in a
Speaker 1: position of power like Harvey Weinstein uses that to do
Speaker 1: something illegal against a woman or anybody, you know, I
Speaker 1: think that should be called out. Uh, you know, but
Speaker 1: the hush money, it's again how they've sort of that's
Speaker 1: pushed out the window rightly, and now Evince retired like
Speaker 1: nobody's talking about it. And and I hope for the
Speaker 1: women that were that they get the justice that they're due.
Speaker 1: But you know, again, full disclosure, I am one million
Speaker 1: percent against the cancelations stuff. Uh, you know, getting canceled
Speaker 1: because you've you know, stepped on somebody's toes and angered somebody. Uh.
Speaker 1: I've made a lot of mistakes in my life. I'll
Speaker 1: make a lot more other people have, uh, you know.
Speaker 1: But I think again, it's the yin and yang you've got.
Speaker 1: If you're gonna sit there and talk about this and say,
Speaker 1: I don't believe in canceling somebody, but somebody that does
Speaker 1: this kind of stuff must be held accountable to it.
Speaker 1: And what is accountability? Is it leaving your own company
Speaker 1: a mid seventies and a bank full of money, or
Speaker 1: is there some other come up inst to that. You know,
Speaker 1: it's I think everybody should be treated equally and get
Speaker 1: treated the exact same when they do something that that
Speaker 1: heinous I agree on. Just going back to the earlier topic,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to ask both of you guys this
Speaker 1: and kind of an open ended question. Did either of
Speaker 1: you ever see anything even remotely close to this unfolding
Speaker 1: in front of the public like a fractice in the
Speaker 1: locker room. I know it was a different time. It's
Speaker 1: hard to maybe get some information out, but have you, guys,
Speaker 1: either of you seen anything similar to this in your
Speaker 1: time in the business. Franny, I've seen fights in the
Speaker 1: locker room, but they were resolved in the locker room. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know. I again I said, if I had a
Speaker 1: problem with somebody and I went to the ring, I
Speaker 1: never showed that I had a problem with somebody. Things
Speaker 1: were discussed behind closed doors. I think we were all
Speaker 1: under the same mindset that it's not good for business.
Speaker 1: Like Shane said, you don't air your dirty laundry, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So there have been times where
Speaker 1: and Shane knows, I've jumped in the middle of things,
Speaker 1: tried to, you know, use my womanly charm to get
Speaker 1: people stop fighting, and it didn't work, and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But when you're again, when you're on the road with
Speaker 1: somebody four or five days a week, you become like
Speaker 1: you know, brothers and sisters, that it's a family. People fight,
Speaker 1: people don't get along, egos get involved. But it never
Speaker 1: escalated to the point where we couldn't control it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and again, rarely aired it in public, right. I mean,
Speaker 1: I didn't have the internet, Shane, so it wasn't It
Speaker 1: wasn't like, you know, there's a mole in the locker
Speaker 1: room and somebody leaks it. Maybe it was in one
Speaker 1: of the dirt sheets, which it wasn't as powerful as
Speaker 1: like a Twitter or an ig today, So it was
Speaker 1: it was a different era. It was a different time.
Speaker 1: Maybe we got away with a little bit more than
Speaker 1: today because we didn't have all the resources to put
Speaker 1: it out there. Yeah, for sure. And again that you
Speaker 1: know we're you know, human beings are creatures of habit, right,
Speaker 1: So I'm used to if I'm one of the younger
Speaker 1: kids that every day I get up and I get
Speaker 1: online and I tell the world what's important to Shane
Speaker 1: Douglas at that moment, and now we go into the
Speaker 1: dressing room and something like that. I got to go
Speaker 1: back now and tell my fans what happened, right, because
Speaker 1: they heard a rumor, So I gotta get on there
Speaker 1: and tell them Shane Douglas aside. And what do human
Speaker 1: beings always do? They try to get people in camps, right,
Speaker 1: So are you are you one of my allies or
Speaker 1: you somebody else's ally. And you know that it's a
Speaker 1: it's just a perfect cocktail for crap, right. You know
Speaker 1: that this is going on now and there really only
Speaker 1: one way to fix it. From where I said, like,
Speaker 1: whoever the boss is has to say enough of this.
Speaker 1: You know, we're moving on, and if you don't want
Speaker 1: to move on with us, no hard feelings, well give
Speaker 1: you your release and move on. But things like that
Speaker 1: have to be dealt with. And I'm popming in my
Speaker 1: head as I'm saying that. You know how many times
Speaker 1: in ECW history did somebody in the audience do something
Speaker 1: to one of the family and suddenly there was a
Speaker 1: near riot going on exactly, you know, protecting each other.
Speaker 1: Now you know we The funny part is is like
Speaker 1: when you hear those stories, a lot of those guys
Speaker 1: that were involved in the stories that you know, got
Speaker 1: attacked or whatever. I'm sure they probably had people in
Speaker 1: the dressing room that they didn't get along with, but
Speaker 1: nobody stopped dressing the door and said, oh wait, it's
Speaker 1: that person. I'm not on his side, so i'most I'll
Speaker 1: stay back here. Uh. Resolved differently, And you know, it's
Speaker 1: did we do it perfectly? Absolutely not. I'm not insinuating that,
Speaker 1: but you know, a lot of wisdom and not airing
Speaker 1: your dirty laundrey. And it just to me seems so
Speaker 1: soap operas and so unprofessional that for a company that's
Speaker 1: portending to be like the next big number two. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna be in this arena. We're gonna
Speaker 1: sooner or later challenge Vince. You know I think that
Speaker 1: you know, again I said earlier, we're seeing now that
Speaker 1: it looks pretty much like they've become what they're gonna be.
Speaker 1: You know, they can do they want to stay in
Speaker 1: that and you know, and that that permanent number two
Speaker 1: spot distant number two? Or do they want to with
Speaker 1: all that money they're spending and all that talent they
Speaker 1: have there? Do they want to grow that company and
Speaker 1: you know, get it back to a point where there's
Speaker 1: a viable number two and uh, they'll never do it
Speaker 1: with this kind of stuff going on. Well, words of
Speaker 1: wisdom from the franchise. Absolutely, that's what we needed on
Speaker 1: this Wednesday morning. So Shane, have you ever beat anybody
Speaker 1: in a fight? Have you ever got to fight somebody? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You know, I was going to bring that up, but
Speaker 1: whenever I saw that being reported out there, you know,
Speaker 1: biting and pulling hair, I'm thinking, boy, thank god Bill
Speaker 1: Watson is still in charge right because somebody had been
Speaker 1: fired over that. It's uh yeah, it's strange. It's uh
Speaker 1: but again, like it's just I'm trying to in my
Speaker 1: head as we're talking about this, imagine being in that
Speaker 1: dressing room where this kind of stuff starts spiraling out
Speaker 1: of control. And you know, we've all been in those
Speaker 1: dressing rooms, right where stuff goes a miss and gets
Speaker 1: off track. But it always seemed to me there was somebody,
Speaker 1: whether it was an elder statesman in the in the
Speaker 1: dressing room or the boss of the company, which steps
Speaker 1: forward and you know, make it pretty evident and clear
Speaker 1: what what they expected, what their expectations were, you know,
Speaker 1: by seemingly taking sides in this. You know, it's just
Speaker 1: I've never seen that, you know, So it's again uncharted territory,
Speaker 1: uncharted waters, right, it's uh, but very consistent with what
Speaker 1: we've seen, not necessarily you know, act for act, but
Speaker 1: consistent with what we've seen out of this company since
Speaker 1: the beginning, where it looks like they're starting to get
Speaker 1: a little bit of momentum and then something like this happens,
Speaker 1: or a exploding ring match that looks like a sparkler
Speaker 1: or whatever, and it just, you know, it just takes
Speaker 1: it right off that highway into the off ramp again. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all I can say is I hope they get their
Speaker 1: ship together because I have some friends that work there
Speaker 1: and I would hate for them to be out of
Speaker 1: a job. So I hope they pull through. But I
Speaker 1: appreciate you coming on. This was the last minute thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I also you know, I'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 1: But you and I have an appearance coming up in October.
Speaker 1: Ye that we're going to be doing. Uh where is
Speaker 1: it Fort Wayne, Indiana? Yes? Yes, there is? Is that?
Speaker 1: What is that called? I always here? Is that heroes
Speaker 1: and legend? Is that here is a legend? Yes, So
Speaker 1: we'll be uh, we'll be appearing together and I'll have
Speaker 1: all the info on Twitter. I think that's the next
Speaker 1: time I see you. So uh, until then, I bid
Speaker 1: you adieu, but I will be I will be speaking
Speaker 1: to you, I'm sure sometime this weekend. So yeah, for sure,
Speaker 1: absolutely did talking to you guys, but it reached out
Speaker 1: and uh, let's keep eyes on and see what happens
Speaker 1: in our industry. Yes, absolutely, thank you so much, buddy,
Speaker 1: I'll talk to you so. Appreciate care. Bye bye. It's
Speaker 1: always good to get his two cents because he's very wise,
Speaker 1: absolutely business and I love hearing what he has to say,
Speaker 1: and if I didn't cut him off, we would have
Speaker 1: been here for another three hours. So I would have
Speaker 1: said on the edge of my seat for every one
Speaker 1: of those minutes exactly. But we don't have three hours
Speaker 1: to kill, so we had to say goodbye. But he's great. Now.
Speaker 1: Let me let me ask you this though, so you
Speaker 1: and I can kind of rap about it back and forth.
Speaker 1: And again, I'm not asking anybody to pick a side.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying who's right or wrong. But if you
Speaker 1: had to kind of say one party versus the other party,
Speaker 1: it may look the most at fault. Do you see
Speaker 1: anybody that does or do you think, like we had
Speaker 1: just said with Jane, like that is just everybody's kind
Speaker 1: of in the wrong, and you know, it's just a
Speaker 1: shitty situation. I feel like I don't understand why the
Speaker 1: personal stuff with cold Cabana is being brought into because
Speaker 1: he's not even in a storyline with Cole, Like they're
Speaker 1: not even working together. So why are we talking about
Speaker 1: him having a joint account bank account with this month.
Speaker 1: That's because of the dirt sheet, guys, But but I mean,
Speaker 1: what does it have to do with why are we
Speaker 1: discussing this that because in all the media leading up
Speaker 1: to this pay per view, people were talking about how
Speaker 1: now that Punk is back, Cabana is exiled and the
Speaker 1: people who Punk says were leaking that narrative to the
Speaker 1: wrestling press were the executive vice presidents. So okay, So see,
Speaker 1: I didn't know that part about it all. I see
Speaker 1: all I was saying with her there was a backstage
Speaker 1: altercation with the Bucks and and Uh and Punk, but
Speaker 1: I didn't know the tie in with Cold. So I
Speaker 1: know that the history with Cold, and I you know,
Speaker 1: I met Cold. He's very sweet. I've been in locker
Speaker 1: rooms with Punk several times. He's been very sweet as well.
Speaker 1: I don't have a bad word to say about either
Speaker 1: of them. I just don't like the I paid your bills,
Speaker 1: you share a bank account with your mom? Like what
Speaker 1: those are like low digs to me, Like it shouldn't
Speaker 1: have been said. I feel I don't know, and I
Speaker 1: don't know they were Punk. What's that? That's what you
Speaker 1: get with Punk, I suppose. So, I mean, I never
Speaker 1: had a problem with him at all, but I you know,
Speaker 1: you you hear sir and things. I just don't like
Speaker 1: the dirty laundry being aired. I don't like that that has.
Speaker 1: When you do a press conference, shouldn't it be like
Speaker 1: a work and shouldn't you just focus on the storylines
Speaker 1: that are going on and not deal with all the
Speaker 1: real bullshit. I mean, that's like we said earlier. You
Speaker 1: know in this broadcast, you deal with that privately. You
Speaker 1: don't put it out there. You don't let people in
Speaker 1: on backstage. There's no cave abe, it's dead. It's been
Speaker 1: dead for years. I just don't see why things are
Speaker 1: not kept private when they should be. And there is
Speaker 1: a mole in that company that is leaking everything to
Speaker 1: these dirt sheet writers, which I hope they find him
Speaker 1: and I hope they kick him out on his ass,
Speaker 1: because what are you getting from this? Are you getting
Speaker 1: extra income? Is he getting paid by you know, the
Speaker 1: observer or the whoever else is out there doing these
Speaker 1: dirt sheets? Yeah? What do you get from it? Against
Speaker 1: your own company when you do shit like this? But
Speaker 1: it's always guys for everybody. But I think that the
Speaker 1: dirt sheet guys are just as much to blame as
Speaker 1: the people leaking it, because these are people that are
Speaker 1: that are professing themselves to be journalists, right, they've now
Speaker 1: they want the clicks they want. They went from just
Speaker 1: Meltzer and Wade Keller having a newsletter and then a
Speaker 1: website and a little radio show to these guys like
Speaker 1: they try to pass themselves off as journalists works right, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh my god, forget about it. Yeah. You They try
Speaker 1: to make themselves like they are in the White House
Speaker 1: press room when they're attending these media scrums, and and
Speaker 1: and there was a question that was asked to Punk
Speaker 1: during the scrum where a guy said he was legitimately
Speaker 1: nervous to ask the question to Punk. Okay, these are
Speaker 1: people that are not prepared to handle any kind of
Speaker 1: sensitive information because they can't let go of the fact
Speaker 1: they want to be over with a certain group of
Speaker 1: people in the business. They can't separate professionalism versus not professionalism.
Speaker 1: So when somebody's feeding them information, they're gonna post it
Speaker 1: to get their clicks and to get their likes and
Speaker 1: to get their attention to be the first person who
Speaker 1: had the story. But they can't then handle the fact
Speaker 1: that this is what they caused this meltdown by Cmpunk
Speaker 1: in the middle of this press conference. I have to say,
Speaker 1: I am gonna take a side, and I am on
Speaker 1: the side of cmpunk with all this, because this is
Speaker 1: a guy who they beg to come back for eight years.
Speaker 1: Every wrestling personality wanted him back for eight years. He's back.
Speaker 1: This is what you get. Triple H said this about
Speaker 1: Dmpunk eight years ago. Punk wants what Punk wants, and
Speaker 1: that's what he has to see. I'm on the side
Speaker 1: of cmpunk. Those guys burst into his locker room, and
Speaker 1: you know they're supposed to be executives. They were unprofessional.
Speaker 1: He just voiced his opinion because he was asked a question.
Speaker 1: Was Col Cobana fired? No? Okay? Were they pushing him
Speaker 1: before Punk even came No? So then why bring up
Speaker 1: that ship? Now? I have no idea. I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know. He was in an undercard faction. Sorry, okay,
Speaker 1: all right? And when Punk came back, did they never
Speaker 1: use Cold again? Because I don't watch the program. Did
Speaker 1: they never use him? Did Punk say, if you use
Speaker 1: Cold Cabana, then you know I'm gonna walk out now?
Speaker 1: So after Brodie Lee died, the group dropped in status significantly.
Speaker 1: They went from being like heels to like kind of
Speaker 1: like a comedy group, and they have all but fizzled out.
Speaker 1: I think there's a couple of guys that they have left,
Speaker 1: but they moved Colt to Ring of Honor, which makes
Speaker 1: sense because Cold Cabana has a history in Ring of Mind.
Speaker 1: So but my point is, it wasn't like Punk was
Speaker 1: suppressing col Cabana that we know of, So then why
Speaker 1: say all this ship and that's what he wigged out about.
Speaker 1: That was his That's what I don't And I'm not
Speaker 1: blaming him, and I'm not blaming the box and I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm blaming the stupid sheet writers and the guy
Speaker 1: or Pete or group who is leaking this information. Apparently
Speaker 1: they're you know, working for ae W whoever. This mole
Speaker 1: is okay, and they're leaking info which is hurting their
Speaker 1: own company, which means that eventually this person might be
Speaker 1: out of the job. So what is getting out of
Speaker 1: leaking information? You're you're doing more harm. There's no good,
Speaker 1: it's all harm. And I just I don't understand the mole.
Speaker 1: I don't get it. Every company had one, Yeah, every
Speaker 1: company had a mole. You know Todd Gordon with the voicemails.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to talk about ours. That's a whole
Speaker 1: number of mole, I mean, and that was I'll tell
Speaker 1: you how it used to go. Back in the day.
Speaker 1: As a fan, you would call an eight hundred wrestling
Speaker 1: hotline for those of us that couldn't afford the nine
Speaker 1: hundred ones. No, there were eight hundred ones out there
Speaker 1: and the guys are and you would call it and
Speaker 1: they would say, there is a supposed mole inside of
Speaker 1: ECW that's feeding information to WCW about contracts and this
Speaker 1: and that. And you're sitting there going like, oh my god, Wow,
Speaker 1: holy shit. You did not have to then press one
Speaker 1: to hear who burst into whose locker room to kick
Speaker 1: their ass and you know, stop them from going to
Speaker 1: the other organization and this person that It just it's
Speaker 1: I I feel that the dirt sheet writers are going
Speaker 1: to help collapse this company. But yes, go ahead. I
Speaker 1: was just going to say the only now when it
Speaker 1: struck something when you mentioned that about the ECW one
Speaker 1: there was a deal on the table with WCW. Does
Speaker 1: the ae W mole have a deal on the table
Speaker 1: with WWE to destroy the company? That's the only scenario
Speaker 1: that would make sense. I don't think WWE cares that
Speaker 1: much because Triple A's just basically called them the minor league.
Speaker 1: He conceded defeat, but he conceded defeat of the NXT
Speaker 1: and said that they beat our developmental show, and they
Speaker 1: barely beat them with whatever. The numbers are very class
Speaker 1: of them. But I'm just saying, if you're thinking logically,
Speaker 1: that is the only scenario that would make any sense
Speaker 1: is that this person is being swayed to destroy AW
Speaker 1: and move on to WWE where he can make maybe
Speaker 1: more money. I don't know, you don't. I'm gonna also
Speaker 1: say this theory too. If somebody's leaking and there's a mole,
Speaker 1: there's something inside the company that went awry for them.
Speaker 1: And to me, as an outsider, who does I look
Speaker 1: at the jobs they have available. Because I've worked in
Speaker 1: a wrestling company before, I have a very talented television background.
Speaker 1: I could provide something to a company like AW. You
Speaker 1: look at how the structure has kind of collapsed, and
Speaker 1: you see the boss. I'm sorry, I think the guy
Speaker 1: has done a great job with what he's built. He
Speaker 1: is embarrassing to watch, not respectfully kind of work for
Speaker 1: this guy and not have a lack of like confidence
Speaker 1: that he's going to keep things going, because when I've
Speaker 1: always thought he's a little weird. When I was watching
Speaker 1: this Chris Jericho press scrum and he's wide eyed looking
Speaker 1: at Jericho and talking about going to the ECW Arena
Speaker 1: with his dad, and he's and but the company is
Speaker 1: in turmoil in the next room, and he's talking about
Speaker 1: Jericho's ring attire and how he wanted Jericho to wear
Speaker 1: the same tights and look at large air of everything
Speaker 1: out there. You know what I mean. Alice doesn't good,
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you what to Here's another little weird,
Speaker 1: little wrinkle. So we didn't even get into it. Shane A.
Speaker 1: Steele's wife was in the room with Cmpunk's dog, right
Speaker 1: and when the bucks burst in there. The way the
Speaker 1: story is kind of going is that the wife freaked out.
Speaker 1: That's why a Steele came running, a steel threw the chair,
Speaker 1: the fractice ensued. But also now this head of legal
Speaker 1: that AW has was apparently involved in the situation, and
Speaker 1: Tony Conta said she's the number two in AW but
Speaker 1: she was apparently just hanging around while all this is
Speaker 1: going on. So this is not just a fight. This
Speaker 1: is not just a public like blow up. This is
Speaker 1: a complete turmoiled, yeah, disarrayed company unfolding in front of
Speaker 1: our very eyes. I said, this is WCW two point
Speaker 1: zero for years. Okay, I think they've made w CW
Speaker 1: look like it was running very well up until the
Speaker 1: last minutes. I mean, the way they spend their money
Speaker 1: reminds me WCW for sure, just grabbing everybody they can
Speaker 1: and giving people jobs. But it's just it's a bad look.
Speaker 1: I feel bad for my friends who are there because
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want them losing their job. I
Speaker 1: don't want anybody losing a job. Competition's good. I've said
Speaker 1: it a million times. It's nice to have a product
Speaker 1: that is not WWE on a bigger scale. And I
Speaker 1: really was rooting for AW two, you know, not surpiss WWE,
Speaker 1: but just to give a good alternative. And if it
Speaker 1: continues to do this, I don't see them lasting much longer,
Speaker 1: which is a very sad thing. So get your shit together,
Speaker 1: aw That's all I can do. And the last common
Speaker 1: I'll make too, is that in the midst of the
Speaker 1: company in turmoil, behind the closed door, where the media
Speaker 1: scroll is going on, with these dork journalists asking questions
Speaker 1: like they're in the White House press room, like just
Speaker 1: coming off like such losers, right, Tony Kahn goes out
Speaker 1: this rant about defeating WWE and that he's he's he
Speaker 1: doesn't give a fuck anymore and he's tired of this
Speaker 1: fucking shit and he's cursing, and he's this, and he's
Speaker 1: that talking about how, oh because WWE ran on Labor
Speaker 1: Day for the first time, and oh, who's how do
Speaker 1: they get that idea? And they took that from us?
Speaker 1: And I'm tired of this fucking shit. And it was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, Like, this is what you're talking about
Speaker 1: to these dork loser fans that are interviewing you in
Speaker 1: public form while your company is in turmoil. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's uh, it's not the end to this story.
Speaker 1: I'm sure more will unfold that we can talk about
Speaker 1: at a different time, but this hour just flew by,
Speaker 1: blew by, It really did. Why don't you tell us
Speaker 1: what's on Patreon? Oh, we got some fun stuff ahead
Speaker 1: of us. As previewed last week. We are going to
Speaker 1: uh take a look at and I'll have to censor
Speaker 1: when it airs, but we're going to look at making
Speaker 1: stand Man right in all his glory. Literally, Yes, I'm
Speaker 1: going to text him and let let him know that
Speaker 1: we're doing some really good journalism this week and we're
Speaker 1: gonna discuss that match. He's gonna get. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: even remember what the hell happened? What a cluster? Just
Speaker 1: watching it, I never I never saw it in that form. Sough. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that we're going to do that. Uh. You have been
Speaker 1: talking about your Disney trip and the planning stages that
Speaker 1: you were in, so we are going to look at
Speaker 1: things that you shouldn't do. We're gonna look at Disney
Speaker 1: stamps for the people that don't know what they're doing
Speaker 1: when they plan there's Disney vacation. And I'm going to
Speaker 1: throw in a couple of stories that I've heard this
Speaker 1: week about what was going on at some of the parks,
Speaker 1: if I may just to add a little spice to this,
Speaker 1: because yeah, there there were a couple things that were
Speaker 1: not very Disney, so we'll discuss that as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then we are going to uh, we're going to
Speaker 1: take your uh since we talked about ECW a few
Speaker 1: times here, We're going to put your ECW knowledge to
Speaker 1: the tell. I'm going out the scroll, damn it. I'm
Speaker 1: going to give you an ECW trivia quiz. The worst
Speaker 1: is if I fail, because what if I fail? But
Speaker 1: that you well, we'll have to see what happens. But
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