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Speaker 1: Today we're here to talk about Athletic Greens. Athletic Greens

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Speaker 1: is a product that I've worked into my daily routine

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Speaker 1: doesn't taste like it's super healthy, but it's got kind

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Speaker 1: This special blend of ingredient supports your gut health, your

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Speaker 1: and of course your aging. Every morning I start off

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Speaker 1: with my Athletic Greens. I get up before I have

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Speaker 1: right direction. What I've noticed, I've noticed a lot of

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Speaker 1: normally I'd be dragging and I'd be complaining the whole

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Speaker 1: daily nutrition insurance. All right, let's get it going right here,

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Speaker 1: right now. This is Eyes up Here, and you're watching

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Speaker 1: and listening to an all new Eyes up Here Patreon.

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Speaker 1: I'm a creative control network and everywhere in between. You

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Speaker 1: didn't know by now my name is Chad. Every single

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Speaker 1: week I'm joined here by the the rocking out Queen

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Speaker 1: of Extreme, Francy Francine. I threw a little curveball. I

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Speaker 1: brought a little uh extra production values at this broadcast today.

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Speaker 1: Are we allowed to air guy clip? It is very

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Speaker 1: approved and safe stream Yard issued background. Oh yeah, that

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Speaker 1: was a very nice time. You need to need to

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Speaker 1: very funny. There's a lot of choices, but I thought

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Speaker 1: a theme. Well, you're it's the Queen's Extreme podcast. True, sure,

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Speaker 1: francis Extreme podcasts. So it's extreme extreme. Everything's extreme these days.

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Speaker 1: Everywhere you go, everything's extreme. Right. Oh yeah, Well, anything

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Speaker 1: But I'm I'm like, I'm not throwing all my eggs

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Speaker 1: The possibilities are endless. I wouldn't say they're endless, but

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Speaker 1: He just texted me. He just it was right. I

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Speaker 1: Vince McMahon and what's going on with him. There was

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Speaker 1: But he's gonna have a lot to say about this

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Speaker 1: a while, saying what about this? What about that? And

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Speaker 1: a great view of what's going on, which might be

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Speaker 1: he comes on. So that's going to be exciting. I

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Speaker 1: leaving his company. You know what, I think it's up there.

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Speaker 1: I think it's up there because think of this, what

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Speaker 1: Kahn's dad. It's just like no more. I'm done. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's see what is he there? You hear us? Hey?

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Speaker 1: What's happening? Oh? I can't see the quaff. I'm very upset.

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Speaker 1: It's magnificent. It is more magnificent. We'll call it today,

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Speaker 1: we'll call it a crest. A crest. Yeah, very good. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you look handsome as ever even though we

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Speaker 1: it on your time. The stuff going in the dressing

423
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 1: room absolutely has no place in our business. I used

424
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 1: to you know back in the day. Uh, everybody hasn't

425
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 1: paid attention that we're living in a vastly different world

426
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 1: today than than back then. And you know, I think

427
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 1: there's a lot of blame to go around, but ultimately,

428
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 1: ultimately this falls on the head of the guy at

429
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 1: the top of the ladder, right, which will be Tony's

430
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:56,439
Speaker 1: on which during the fracae, he's still in the media scrum,

431
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 1: never got out of his seat, And during the Jericho

432
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 1: portion of this, sco I felt it was embarrassing that

433
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 1: he was literally kissing the ass of Chris Jericho and

434
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 1: talking about stories of going to the ECW Arena to

435
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,360
Speaker 1: see Jericho's debut and remembering the tights that he wore

436
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 1: and he wanted to replicate that at the pay per view.

437
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 1: All the while his company is in turmoil behind the

438
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 1: closed door, with security guards running past the media quote

439
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 1: unquote media, and he's sitting there, you know, a sense

440
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: extensively sucking the you know what of Chris Jericho in

441
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 1: front of the cameras well. I mean, the being an historian,

442
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 1: the equivalent would be narrow fiddling while Rome burns. Right.

443
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 1: I mean, there's something on this list was a little

444
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 1: more important than the other things. And you know, again,

445
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 1: first of all, they're not too far gone, right, I mean,

446
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 1: they still have a lot of eyes on them, some

447
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: of a network, but I would hope that right now,

448
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 1: as we're doing this interview, that Tony Kahan, his management team,

449
00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 1: whoever that may be, or sitting down and trying to assess,

450
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 1: like where do we go wrong? How do we fix this's?

451
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: How do we stop it going ahead? I mean, we've

452
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 1: heard this for how long from friends of ours inside

453
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: the business, inside the company, right that the inmates are

454
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 1: running the asylum. Nobody will listen well when that goes

455
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 1: on and is allowed to persist in any business, but

456
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: especially wrestling, or a lot of ego and a lot

457
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 1: of uh you know, uh, piston vinegar. You know they're

458
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 1: in that dressing room. A lot of egos, uh, you know,

459
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,439
Speaker 1: left unchecked, that'll rear its head at some point. It

460
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 1: looks like you started to in AW. I kind of

461
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 1: feel like now this is showing my age being in

462
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 1: you know, in it for the moost thirty years. I

463
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 1: feel like the dynamic I know right, I feel like

464
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: the dynamics of the business have changed drastically. I feel

465
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,120
Speaker 1: like there was a lot more and it's not for

466
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: every single person performing today. There's there's there's certain people.

467
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 1: I feel like the level of respect for for not

468
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: only wrestling, in general before each other has plummeted, and everybody,

469
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,959
Speaker 1: you know, they're in it for themselves. And I just remember,

470
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 1: like if I ever had a problem with somebody back

471
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: in the day, I would keep it to myself, and

472
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: even if I had to work with them, I would

473
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: go like nothing ever happened, because it's good for business.

474
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,439
Speaker 1: It's good for the company, it's good for my pocket,

475
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 1: it's good for your pocket, right well, and the other

476
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 1: stuff is bad for all those things. Right, So like

477
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: if you know, if you're out in the ring and

478
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: you and your opponent, everybody knows there's real heat there

479
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: that can be utilized in a way, you know, to

480
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: draw money. But ultimately you've got to know I can

481
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 1: send these two talents to the ring and that I'm

482
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 1: going to break out into a shoot. Yeah. First of all,

483
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: shoots are boring. You know, if anybody's watched a you know,

484
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: a bar fight, you know, hardly as eloquent as a

485
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: good wrestling match. But yeah, but you know, the respect

486
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 1: thing you're talking about. I don't know if that's just

487
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 1: Johnny come lately in our business, but I like in it.

488
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 1: You know, again in my old age, right that that

489
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: everybody is a narcissist today because everybody feels compelled that

490
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: what I have to say is so important. I got

491
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: to stop right now and get on the internet and

492
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 1: tell the world what I'm having for lunch, chorret that

493
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: I'm taking my dog for a walk, or that I'm

494
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: scratching my ass, And so that puts me into business

495
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: for myself. Right, you guys are worried about your stuff,

496
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 1: but I gotta get online and tell the world what

497
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 1: Shane Douglass is doing at this very moment. And I

498
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 1: think that's now bleeding over right. You have everybody in

499
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: that dressing room thinks they're the most important call or

500
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: only their point of view matters. And you know, unfortunately,

501
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: you know, those of us that are grown up, you

502
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: know know that that's not how the world operates. Most times.

503
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: You've got to co exist with people that you may

504
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: not like, especially in the workplace. And you know this

505
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: is a workplace, you know, so you know, again, I

506
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: go back. I don't want to be savage on it

507
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: or anything, but like it's time for Tony kN to

508
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: stand up and if he wants to be the next

509
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: Vince McMahon or Eric Bischoff or Paul Hammett or whoever

510
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: to stand up and take control of that company. If

511
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: you remember Freddie we had there were some of this

512
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: with Paul too, that would allow this stuff to sort

513
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: of fester on. And it was like the boys in

514
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: the dressingroom sort of took that under their own wing

515
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: and sort of resolved it. But you know, you cannot

516
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 1: have the inmates running the asylum. You cannot have somebody

517
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: thinking they're more important than somebody else, or their point

518
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: of view is more important than somebody else. And again

519
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: that starts at the top. Well, speaking of the top,

520
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: we're going to go from one subject to another because

521
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: we haven't talked to you since this happened. What are

522
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: your thoughts on Vince McMahon stepping down as chairman and

523
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: CEO of w W E. Yeah, us right, I mean

524
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: a tectonic shift in our industry. You know, my entirety

525
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: in the business. Vince McMahon has been a major CagA

526
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: that you know, and those of us that know him

527
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: and have worked for him knows that there was no

528
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: way that you know, he would just say Okay, it's

529
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: time to retire and go off to the beach and

530
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: have a my tie or Margarita. The way that it happened,

531
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: the ignominious way that it happened, I think is, you know,

532
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: puts a really bad mark on what he had done

533
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: in the industry. You know, he had taken it to the

534
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: the heights that none of us could have ever imagined.

535
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: But you know, if you remember, we first talked about

536
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: this privately, you know, like just sitting around bs and

537
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: and you know we said that, you know, if there

538
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: was one of these payments, there's going to be more.

539
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: And you know the fact that they I think they've

540
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: done an amazing job at keeping it from spiraling out

541
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: of control because you know, those of us again that

542
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: have worked there know that there was a lot of

543
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: stuff going, but that they sort of narrowed that down.

544
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: I think that Vince's resignation is what allowed that to happen.

545
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: If he hadn't retired, that he hadn't moved on, I

546
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: think a lot more magnifying glasses would have been put

547
00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: on there. I'm just curious as to how retired quotation

548
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: marks around it he really is. But you know the

549
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: fact that you can see new blood in there stirring

550
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: it up. And you mentioned it a minute ago, Franny

551
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: about the ratings increase. That tells me that the fan

552
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,479
Speaker 1: base is still solid, but it's also alarming that the

553
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: fan base has chosen by and large to stay away

554
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: from the industry for how long. You know, got to

555
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: get it back to what it's supposed to be. And

556
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: if you do that, if you build it, they'll come.

557
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: And I think WW is proving that right now. It's

558
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: but's I'm not gonna give final judgment yet, but so far,

559
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: so good. Let's see if they keep moving in the

560
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: right direction. Will you miss him? Shane? You know my

561
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: you know renowned my my experiences with events right now,

562
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: but we're two different people, not going to ever get along,

563
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: probably never going to agree on approach to the business.

564
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: That said, he's you know, achieved amazing heights of what

565
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: he's done, and you can't. Ultimately the bottom line, the

566
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: final analysis, you have to judge based off the body

567
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: of work. And you know, he's again taken wrestling from

568
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: the smoke filled arenas to mainstream and you know, back

569
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: thirty forty years ago that would have been unheard of.

570
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: You couldn't even imagine as I was a kid in

571
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Siffic Arena watching Berno and Dominic and all

572
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: of those guys. You couldn't imagine that kind of a

573
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: future for wrestling, and you know he's responsible for that.

574
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: But he's also responsible for like where we've seen the industry,

575
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: you know, and it collapses with you know, all the

576
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: territories and how many people employed and how many fans

577
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: have left. There's always the yin and yang, right, you

578
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: can't give the glory without giving the final epitaph. And

579
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: he's a responsib for that too. So I think any

580
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: fair analysis of Vince's history in the business will be

581
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: a compendium incredible ship and some bad shit as well.

582
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: So just wait and see it. To me, there's always

583
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: another chapter with Vince. Sung's waiting to see what that is.

584
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: Do you feel like, like Chrispin Waffer example, a totally different,

585
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: you know, different thing, but he was erased from the company.

586
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:11,239
Speaker 1: If this was anybody other than Vince McMahon, is this

587
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: severe enough to be exiled and never spoke of again?

588
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: The way he manipulated these women? Or is this is

589
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: this a pass because you know, I know it's Vince,

590
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: But if it was somebody else, do you think they

591
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: would have been forgotten about? Oh? They would have been

592
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: pushed out the door. You know again, Ila Chris right,

593
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: it's uh, and I'm not comparing it to murder, you know,

594
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: murdering or anything like that, but I'm just saying this

595
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: is this is a heavy accusation, very serious and and

596
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: uh you know again how that plays out. You know

597
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: again we're look, I think we're witnessing in the world

598
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: right now, there's you know, very enunciated two tiered system,

599
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: right like somebody at the top of the heap can

600
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: do something, somebody down that ladder probably can't. Uh. But

601
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: you know, to me, I this stuff that these accusations

602
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: and allegations very seriously. You know, if somebody in a

603
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: position of power like Harvey Weinstein uses that to do

604
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: something illegal against a woman or anybody, you know, I

605
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,399
Speaker 1: think that should be called out. Uh, you know, but

606
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: the hush money, it's again how they've sort of that's

607
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: pushed out the window rightly, and now Evince retired like

608
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: nobody's talking about it. And and I hope for the

609
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: women that were that they get the justice that they're due.

610
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: But you know, again, full disclosure, I am one million

611
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: percent against the cancelations stuff. Uh, you know, getting canceled

612
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: because you've you know, stepped on somebody's toes and angered somebody. Uh.

613
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 1: I've made a lot of mistakes in my life. I'll

614
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: make a lot more other people have, uh, you know.

615
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 1: But I think again, it's the yin and yang you've got.

616
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: If you're gonna sit there and talk about this and say,

617
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: I don't believe in canceling somebody, but somebody that does

618
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: this kind of stuff must be held accountable to it.

619
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: And what is accountability? Is it leaving your own company

620
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: a mid seventies and a bank full of money, or

621
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: is there some other come up inst to that. You know,

622
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: it's I think everybody should be treated equally and get

623
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: treated the exact same when they do something that that

624
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: heinous I agree on. Just going back to the earlier topic,

625
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: I just wanted to ask both of you guys this

626
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: and kind of an open ended question. Did either of

627
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: you ever see anything even remotely close to this unfolding

628
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: in front of the public like a fractice in the

629
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 1: locker room. I know it was a different time. It's

630
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: hard to maybe get some information out, but have you, guys,

631
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: either of you seen anything similar to this in your

632
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: time in the business. Franny, I've seen fights in the

633
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: locker room, but they were resolved in the locker room. Yes,

634
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: you know. I again I said, if I had a

635
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: problem with somebody and I went to the ring, I

636
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: never showed that I had a problem with somebody. Things

637
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:11,919
Speaker 1: were discussed behind closed doors. I think we were all

638
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: under the same mindset that it's not good for business.

639
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: Like Shane said, you don't air your dirty laundry, you

640
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So there have been times where

641
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,720
Speaker 1: and Shane knows, I've jumped in the middle of things,

642
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: tried to, you know, use my womanly charm to get

643
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,439
Speaker 1: people stop fighting, and it didn't work, and stuff like that.

644
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: But when you're again, when you're on the road with

645
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: somebody four or five days a week, you become like

646
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 1: you know, brothers and sisters, that it's a family. People fight,

647
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 1: people don't get along, egos get involved. But it never

648
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: escalated to the point where we couldn't control it. Yeah,

649
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: and again, rarely aired it in public, right. I mean,

650
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: I didn't have the internet, Shane, so it wasn't It

651
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: wasn't like, you know, there's a mole in the locker

652
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: room and somebody leaks it. Maybe it was in one

653
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: of the dirt sheets, which it wasn't as powerful as

654
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: like a Twitter or an ig today, So it was

655
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: it was a different era. It was a different time.

656
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: Maybe we got away with a little bit more than

657
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 1: today because we didn't have all the resources to put

658
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: it out there. Yeah, for sure. And again that you

659
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: know we're you know, human beings are creatures of habit, right,

660
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 1: So I'm used to if I'm one of the younger

661
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: kids that every day I get up and I get

662
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 1: online and I tell the world what's important to Shane

663
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: Douglas at that moment, and now we go into the

664
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: dressing room and something like that. I got to go

665
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: back now and tell my fans what happened, right, because

666
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: they heard a rumor, So I gotta get on there

667
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: and tell them Shane Douglas aside. And what do human

668
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: beings always do? They try to get people in camps, right,

669
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 1: So are you are you one of my allies or

670
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: you somebody else's ally. And you know that it's a

671
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: it's just a perfect cocktail for crap, right. You know

672
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: that this is going on now and there really only

673
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 1: one way to fix it. From where I said, like,

674
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: whoever the boss is has to say enough of this.

675
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 1: You know, we're moving on, and if you don't want

676
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: to move on with us, no hard feelings, well give

677
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 1: you your release and move on. But things like that

678
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: have to be dealt with. And I'm popming in my

679
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 1: head as I'm saying that. You know how many times

680
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: in ECW history did somebody in the audience do something

681
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: to one of the family and suddenly there was a

682
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: near riot going on exactly, you know, protecting each other.

683
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 1: Now you know we The funny part is is like

684
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: when you hear those stories, a lot of those guys

685
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: that were involved in the stories that you know, got

686
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: attacked or whatever. I'm sure they probably had people in

687
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 1: the dressing room that they didn't get along with, but

688
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 1: nobody stopped dressing the door and said, oh wait, it's

689
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: that person. I'm not on his side, so i'most I'll

690
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: stay back here. Uh. Resolved differently, And you know, it's

691
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: did we do it perfectly? Absolutely not. I'm not insinuating that,

692
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: but you know, a lot of wisdom and not airing

693
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: your dirty laundrey. And it just to me seems so

694
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: soap operas and so unprofessional that for a company that's

695
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,720
Speaker 1: portending to be like the next big number two. Uh,

696
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna be in this arena. We're gonna

697
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: sooner or later challenge Vince. You know I think that

698
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: you know, again I said earlier, we're seeing now that

699
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: it looks pretty much like they've become what they're gonna be.

700
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: You know, they can do they want to stay in

701
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: that and you know, and that that permanent number two

702
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: spot distant number two? Or do they want to with

703
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: all that money they're spending and all that talent they

704
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: have there? Do they want to grow that company and

705
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 1: you know, get it back to a point where there's

706
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: a viable number two and uh, they'll never do it

707
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 1: with this kind of stuff going on. Well, words of

708
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 1: wisdom from the franchise. Absolutely, that's what we needed on

709
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: this Wednesday morning. So Shane, have you ever beat anybody

710
00:39:53,880 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: in a fight? Have you ever got to fight somebody? Yeah?

711
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: You know, I was going to bring that up, but

712
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: whenever I saw that being reported out there, you know,

713
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: biting and pulling hair, I'm thinking, boy, thank god Bill

714
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: Watson is still in charge right because somebody had been

715
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: fired over that. It's uh yeah, it's strange. It's uh

716
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: but again, like it's just I'm trying to in my

717
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: head as we're talking about this, imagine being in that

718
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: dressing room where this kind of stuff starts spiraling out

719
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: of control. And you know, we've all been in those

720
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: dressing rooms, right where stuff goes a miss and gets

721
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 1: off track. But it always seemed to me there was somebody,

722
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: whether it was an elder statesman in the in the

723
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: dressing room or the boss of the company, which steps

724
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: forward and you know, make it pretty evident and clear

725
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 1: what what they expected, what their expectations were, you know,

726
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: by seemingly taking sides in this. You know, it's just

727
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: I've never seen that, you know, So it's again uncharted territory,

728
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:02,399
Speaker 1: uncharted waters, right, it's uh, but very consistent with what

729
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: we've seen, not necessarily you know, act for act, but

730
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 1: consistent with what we've seen out of this company since

731
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 1: the beginning, where it looks like they're starting to get

732
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: a little bit of momentum and then something like this happens,

733
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: or a exploding ring match that looks like a sparkler

734
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: or whatever, and it just, you know, it just takes

735
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: it right off that highway into the off ramp again. Yeah,

736
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: all I can say is I hope they get their

737
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: ship together because I have some friends that work there

738
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: and I would hate for them to be out of

739
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:33,760
Speaker 1: a job. So I hope they pull through. But I

740
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: appreciate you coming on. This was the last minute thing. Yeah,

741
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: and I also you know, I'll talk to you soon.

742
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: But you and I have an appearance coming up in October.

743
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: Ye that we're going to be doing. Uh where is

744
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: it Fort Wayne, Indiana? Yes? Yes, there is? Is that?

745
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: What is that called? I always here? Is that heroes

746
00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: and legend? Is that here is a legend? Yes, So

747
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: we'll be uh, we'll be appearing together and I'll have

748
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 1: all the info on Twitter. I think that's the next

749
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 1: time I see you. So uh, until then, I bid

750
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: you adieu, but I will be I will be speaking

751
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 1: to you, I'm sure sometime this weekend. So yeah, for sure,

752
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: absolutely did talking to you guys, but it reached out

753
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: and uh, let's keep eyes on and see what happens

754
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: in our industry. Yes, absolutely, thank you so much, buddy,

755
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: I'll talk to you so. Appreciate care. Bye bye. It's

756
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: always good to get his two cents because he's very wise,

757
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: absolutely business and I love hearing what he has to say,

758
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 1: and if I didn't cut him off, we would have

759
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 1: been here for another three hours. So I would have

760
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: said on the edge of my seat for every one

761
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: of those minutes exactly. But we don't have three hours

762
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: to kill, so we had to say goodbye. But he's great. Now.

763
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 1: Let me let me ask you this though, so you

764
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: and I can kind of rap about it back and forth.

765
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 1: And again, I'm not asking anybody to pick a side.

766
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 1: I'm not saying who's right or wrong. But if you

767
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: had to kind of say one party versus the other party,

768
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: it may look the most at fault. Do you see

769
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: anybody that does or do you think, like we had

770
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: just said with Jane, like that is just everybody's kind

771
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: of in the wrong, and you know, it's just a

772
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 1: shitty situation. I feel like I don't understand why the

773
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 1: personal stuff with cold Cabana is being brought into because

774
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: he's not even in a storyline with Cole, Like they're

775
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 1: not even working together. So why are we talking about

776
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: him having a joint account bank account with this month.

777
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: That's because of the dirt sheet, guys, But but I mean,

778
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: what does it have to do with why are we

779
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 1: discussing this that because in all the media leading up

780
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: to this pay per view, people were talking about how

781
00:43:55,960 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: now that Punk is back, Cabana is exiled and the

782
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: people who Punk says were leaking that narrative to the

783
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:10,919
Speaker 1: wrestling press were the executive vice presidents. So okay, So see,

784
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: I didn't know that part about it all. I see

785
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 1: all I was saying with her there was a backstage

786
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 1: altercation with the Bucks and and Uh and Punk, but

787
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: I didn't know the tie in with Cold. So I

788
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 1: know that the history with Cold, and I you know,

789
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: I met Cold. He's very sweet. I've been in locker

790
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 1: rooms with Punk several times. He's been very sweet as well.

791
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: I don't have a bad word to say about either

792
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: of them. I just don't like the I paid your bills,

793
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: you share a bank account with your mom? Like what

794
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: those are like low digs to me, Like it shouldn't

795
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: have been said. I feel I don't know, and I

796
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: don't know they were Punk. What's that? That's what you

797
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: get with Punk, I suppose. So, I mean, I never

798
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: had a problem with him at all, but I you know,

799
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: you you hear sir and things. I just don't like

800
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: the dirty laundry being aired. I don't like that that has.

801
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: When you do a press conference, shouldn't it be like

802
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: a work and shouldn't you just focus on the storylines

803
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 1: that are going on and not deal with all the

804
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: real bullshit. I mean, that's like we said earlier. You

805
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: know in this broadcast, you deal with that privately. You

806
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: don't put it out there. You don't let people in

807
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 1: on backstage. There's no cave abe, it's dead. It's been

808
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: dead for years. I just don't see why things are

809
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: not kept private when they should be. And there is

810
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: a mole in that company that is leaking everything to

811
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: these dirt sheet writers, which I hope they find him

812
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,760
Speaker 1: and I hope they kick him out on his ass,

813
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:55,720
Speaker 1: because what are you getting from this? Are you getting

814
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 1: extra income? Is he getting paid by you know, the

815
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: observer or the whoever else is out there doing these

816
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 1: dirt sheets? Yeah? What do you get from it? Against

817
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 1: your own company when you do shit like this? But

818
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,839
Speaker 1: it's always guys for everybody. But I think that the

819
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: dirt sheet guys are just as much to blame as

820
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: the people leaking it, because these are people that are

821
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 1: that are professing themselves to be journalists, right, they've now

822
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 1: they want the clicks they want. They went from just

823
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: Meltzer and Wade Keller having a newsletter and then a

824
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: website and a little radio show to these guys like

825
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: they try to pass themselves off as journalists works right, yeah,

826
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: oh my god, forget about it. Yeah. You They try

827
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: to make themselves like they are in the White House

828
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: press room when they're attending these media scrums, and and

829
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: and there was a question that was asked to Punk

830
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,919
Speaker 1: during the scrum where a guy said he was legitimately

831
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: nervous to ask the question to Punk. Okay, these are

832
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: people that are not prepared to handle any kind of

833
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 1: sensitive information because they can't let go of the fact

834
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: they want to be over with a certain group of

835
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: people in the business. They can't separate professionalism versus not professionalism.

836
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: So when somebody's feeding them information, they're gonna post it

837
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: to get their clicks and to get their likes and

838
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: to get their attention to be the first person who

839
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: had the story. But they can't then handle the fact

840
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: that this is what they caused this meltdown by Cmpunk

841
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: in the middle of this press conference. I have to say,

842
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: I am gonna take a side, and I am on

843
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 1: the side of cmpunk with all this, because this is

844
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 1: a guy who they beg to come back for eight years.

845
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:42,760
Speaker 1: Every wrestling personality wanted him back for eight years. He's back.

846
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 1: This is what you get. Triple H said this about

847
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: Dmpunk eight years ago. Punk wants what Punk wants, and

848
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: that's what he has to see. I'm on the side

849
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: of cmpunk. Those guys burst into his locker room, and

850
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: you know they're supposed to be executives. They were unprofessional.

851
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 1: He just voiced his opinion because he was asked a question.

852
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: Was Col Cobana fired? No? Okay? Were they pushing him

853
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: before Punk even came No? So then why bring up

854
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: that ship? Now? I have no idea. I don't I

855
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: don't know. He was in an undercard faction. Sorry, okay,

856
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: all right? And when Punk came back, did they never

857
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: use Cold again? Because I don't watch the program. Did

858
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 1: they never use him? Did Punk say, if you use

859
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: Cold Cabana, then you know I'm gonna walk out now?

860
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: So after Brodie Lee died, the group dropped in status significantly.

861
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: They went from being like heels to like kind of

862
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:49,399
Speaker 1: like a comedy group, and they have all but fizzled out.

863
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 1: I think there's a couple of guys that they have left,

864
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 1: but they moved Colt to Ring of Honor, which makes

865
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: sense because Cold Cabana has a history in Ring of Mind.

866
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: So but my point is, it wasn't like Punk was

867
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: suppressing col Cabana that we know of, So then why

868
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: say all this ship and that's what he wigged out about.

869
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 1: That was his That's what I don't And I'm not

870
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 1: blaming him, and I'm not blaming the box and I'm

871
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 1: not I'm blaming the stupid sheet writers and the guy

872
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: or Pete or group who is leaking this information. Apparently

873
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: they're you know, working for ae W whoever. This mole

874
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: is okay, and they're leaking info which is hurting their

875
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: own company, which means that eventually this person might be

876
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: out of the job. So what is getting out of

877
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: leaking information? You're you're doing more harm. There's no good,

878
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 1: it's all harm. And I just I don't understand the mole.

879
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:55,760
Speaker 1: I don't get it. Every company had one, Yeah, every

880
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: company had a mole. You know Todd Gordon with the voicemails.

881
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 1: I'm not going to talk about ours. That's a whole

882
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: number of mole, I mean, and that was I'll tell

883
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: you how it used to go. Back in the day.

884
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:12,240
Speaker 1: As a fan, you would call an eight hundred wrestling

885
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,359
Speaker 1: hotline for those of us that couldn't afford the nine

886
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,439
Speaker 1: hundred ones. No, there were eight hundred ones out there

887
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: and the guys are and you would call it and

888
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: they would say, there is a supposed mole inside of

889
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: ECW that's feeding information to WCW about contracts and this

890
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,959
Speaker 1: and that. And you're sitting there going like, oh my god, Wow,

891
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 1: holy shit. You did not have to then press one

892
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,359
Speaker 1: to hear who burst into whose locker room to kick

893
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: their ass and you know, stop them from going to

894
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:43,879
Speaker 1: the other organization and this person that It just it's

895
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: I I feel that the dirt sheet writers are going

896
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 1: to help collapse this company. But yes, go ahead. I

897
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 1: was just going to say the only now when it

898
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: struck something when you mentioned that about the ECW one

899
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: there was a deal on the table with WCW. Does

900
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: the ae W mole have a deal on the table

901
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: with WWE to destroy the company? That's the only scenario

902
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 1: that would make sense. I don't think WWE cares that

903
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 1: much because Triple A's just basically called them the minor league.

904
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 1: He conceded defeat, but he conceded defeat of the NXT

905
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: and said that they beat our developmental show, and they

906
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:29,280
Speaker 1: barely beat them with whatever. The numbers are very class

907
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 1: of them. But I'm just saying, if you're thinking logically,

908
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: that is the only scenario that would make any sense

909
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 1: is that this person is being swayed to destroy AW

910
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 1: and move on to WWE where he can make maybe

911
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 1: more money. I don't know, you don't. I'm gonna also

912
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: say this theory too. If somebody's leaking and there's a mole,

913
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 1: there's something inside the company that went awry for them.

914
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: And to me, as an outsider, who does I look

915
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: at the jobs they have available. Because I've worked in

916
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 1: a wrestling company before, I have a very talented television background.

917
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 1: I could provide something to a company like AW. You

918
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 1: look at how the structure has kind of collapsed, and

919
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: you see the boss. I'm sorry, I think the guy

920
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 1: has done a great job with what he's built. He

921
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: is embarrassing to watch, not respectfully kind of work for

922
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 1: this guy and not have a lack of like confidence

923
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: that he's going to keep things going, because when I've

924
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: always thought he's a little weird. When I was watching

925
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:38,919
Speaker 1: this Chris Jericho press scrum and he's wide eyed looking

926
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,720
Speaker 1: at Jericho and talking about going to the ECW Arena

927
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: with his dad, and he's and but the company is

928
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: in turmoil in the next room, and he's talking about

929
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:53,879
Speaker 1: Jericho's ring attire and how he wanted Jericho to wear

930
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 1: the same tights and look at large air of everything

931
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: out there. You know what I mean. Alice doesn't good,

932
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you what to Here's another little weird,

933
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: little wrinkle. So we didn't even get into it. Shane A.

934
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: Steele's wife was in the room with Cmpunk's dog, right

935
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 1: and when the bucks burst in there. The way the

936
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: story is kind of going is that the wife freaked out.

937
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 1: That's why a Steele came running, a steel threw the chair,

938
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 1: the fractice ensued. But also now this head of legal

939
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: that AW has was apparently involved in the situation, and

940
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: Tony Conta said she's the number two in AW but

941
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: she was apparently just hanging around while all this is

942
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: going on. So this is not just a fight. This

943
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: is not just a public like blow up. This is

944
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: a complete turmoiled, yeah, disarrayed company unfolding in front of

945
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: our very eyes. I said, this is WCW two point

946
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:51,760
Speaker 1: zero for years. Okay, I think they've made w CW

947
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 1: look like it was running very well up until the

948
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 1: last minutes. I mean, the way they spend their money

949
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 1: reminds me WCW for sure, just grabbing everybody they can

950
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 1: and giving people jobs. But it's just it's a bad look.

951
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: I feel bad for my friends who are there because

952
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want them losing their job. I

953
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: don't want anybody losing a job. Competition's good. I've said

954
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 1: it a million times. It's nice to have a product

955
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: that is not WWE on a bigger scale. And I

956
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: really was rooting for AW two, you know, not surpiss WWE,

957
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: but just to give a good alternative. And if it

958
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:38,240
Speaker 1: continues to do this, I don't see them lasting much longer,

959
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 1: which is a very sad thing. So get your shit together,

960
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: aw That's all I can do. And the last common

961
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: I'll make too, is that in the midst of the

962
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 1: company in turmoil, behind the closed door, where the media

963
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,720
Speaker 1: scroll is going on, with these dork journalists asking questions

964
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: like they're in the White House press room, like just

965
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:59,879
Speaker 1: coming off like such losers, right, Tony Kahn goes out

966
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: this rant about defeating WWE and that he's he's he

967
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:06,879
Speaker 1: doesn't give a fuck anymore and he's tired of this

968
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,399
Speaker 1: fucking shit and he's cursing, and he's this, and he's

969
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 1: that talking about how, oh because WWE ran on Labor

970
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 1: Day for the first time, and oh, who's how do

971
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: they get that idea? And they took that from us?

972
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 1: And I'm tired of this fucking shit. And it was like,

973
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 1: oh my god, Like, this is what you're talking about

974
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 1: to these dork loser fans that are interviewing you in

975
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:32,800
Speaker 1: public form while your company is in turmoil. But yeah,

976
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: it's it's uh, it's not the end to this story.

977
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:38,959
Speaker 1: I'm sure more will unfold that we can talk about

978
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 1: at a different time, but this hour just flew by,

979
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: blew by, It really did. Why don't you tell us

980
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 1: what's on Patreon? Oh, we got some fun stuff ahead

981
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 1: of us. As previewed last week. We are going to

982
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: uh take a look at and I'll have to censor

983
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:58,760
Speaker 1: when it airs, but we're going to look at making

984
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: stand Man right in all his glory. Literally, Yes, I'm

985
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: going to text him and let let him know that

986
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: we're doing some really good journalism this week and we're

987
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 1: gonna discuss that match. He's gonna get. Yeah, I don't

988
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 1: even remember what the hell happened? What a cluster? Just

989
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 1: watching it, I never I never saw it in that form. Sough. Yeah,

990
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 1: that we're going to do that. Uh. You have been

991
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: talking about your Disney trip and the planning stages that

992
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 1: you were in, so we are going to look at

993
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 1: things that you shouldn't do. We're gonna look at Disney

994
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 1: stamps for the people that don't know what they're doing

995
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: when they plan there's Disney vacation. And I'm going to

996
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 1: throw in a couple of stories that I've heard this

997
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 1: week about what was going on at some of the parks,

998
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 1: if I may just to add a little spice to this,

999
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,879
Speaker 1: because yeah, there there were a couple things that were

1000
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:03,280
Speaker 1: not very Disney, so we'll discuss that as well. Yeah,

1001
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:07,359
Speaker 1: and then we are going to uh, we're going to

1002
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 1: take your uh since we talked about ECW a few

1003
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 1: times here, We're going to put your ECW knowledge to

1004
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 1: the tell. I'm going out the scroll, damn it. I'm

1005
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 1: going to give you an ECW trivia quiz. The worst

1006
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 1: is if I fail, because what if I fail? But

1007
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: that you well, we'll have to see what happens. But

1008
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 1: that is what is going on Patreon. If you want

1009
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: to follow me, it's at Chad E and B on Twitter,

1010
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: at IB Exclusives on Instagram, and website is ib Exclusives

1011
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 1: dot com. If you want to follow me across the

1012
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: born on social media, you can find me at ACW, DVA,

1013
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 1: Franccene and please check out my pwt's page. You just

1014
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: have to in a search bar go to fran Scene.

1015
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: We have four new shirts. They're lit, they're fire, they're hot,

1016
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 1: they're cool, I don't know, they're they're very cool and

1017
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 1: you can't work a worker is one of them. And

1018
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 1: I love that shirt and I hope you do too.

1019
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Speaker 1: So please go support the queen, get yourself a shirt

1020
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Speaker 1: and with that that is a wrap