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Speaker 1: From Meat Eaters World News headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. This

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Speaker 1: is Col's Week in Review with Ryan cow Klah. Here's Cal.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, another packed week here at Cal's Week

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Speaker 1: in Review. As you all know, we're double timing it

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Speaker 1: these days. Brand spanking new CEO and President back huntry,

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Speaker 1: Hunters and Anglers. This week traveled out to to d

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Speaker 1: C to talk, talk with our representatives, talk with our

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Speaker 1: electeds here and then in the nation's capital. Lots going

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Speaker 1: on all across the political spectrum. I am very happy,

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Speaker 1: uh and and honored to get some time from some

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Speaker 1: extremely busy folks who happen to be the co chairs

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Speaker 1: of our Public Lands Caucus, Representative Gabe Vasquez out of

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Speaker 1: New Mexico and Representative Ryan Zinki out of Montana. Congressman,

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Speaker 1: how are we feeling this week?

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Speaker 2: But you know, I'm an optimist. Uh.

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Speaker 3: You know, as much as sometimes the media would like

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Speaker 3: to play that that that we don't agree on anything,

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Speaker 3: we can't work together, that the world is as a

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Speaker 3: partisan country, I can tell you when you're on the

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Speaker 3: front lines, you know a lot of us, you know,

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Speaker 3: like Gabe and I, we look at where we can

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Speaker 3: meet and where we can get things done, and we

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Speaker 3: kind of put the rest of it in the in

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Speaker 3: the back and we may agree or disagree, but we're

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Speaker 3: not going to be disagreeable. And we're going to look

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Speaker 3: for areas we can work together on because that's how

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Speaker 3: it starts. It starts on working together, trust relationship, and

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Speaker 3: they and as co chairs, you know, we try to

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Speaker 3: try to look at issue from all sides and look,

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Speaker 3: what's important on the west is public lands.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, I just got back from some

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Speaker 4: RESTful hunting and fishing back home, got to go see

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Speaker 4: my dad and brother in the beautiful community of San Carlos,

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Speaker 4: got to go on an amazing hike and almost stepped

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Speaker 4: on a coral snake, which you tend to almost run

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Speaker 4: into a lot of snakes here, but never as venomous

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Speaker 4: as a coral snake in Mexico. So there's a lot

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Speaker 4: of land mines here, there's a lot of snakes here.

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Speaker 4: You just got to learn how to traverse this place

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Speaker 4: and how to make those blasting relationships, build relationships with

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Speaker 4: folks across the aisle. You know, my staff's been working

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Speaker 4: hard on the proposals that we plan to work on

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Speaker 4: this year and we're making progress on those things now

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Speaker 4: around us, does it feel like the world has fallen

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Speaker 4: apart a little bit? Sure, there are lots of things

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Speaker 4: that are going on. But one of the things that

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Speaker 4: keeps me here, keeps me happy, is working on public

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Speaker 4: lands issues. It is thinking about all those assets, those

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Speaker 4: natural resources, the wildlife, the grasslands of the forest that

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Speaker 4: I get to represent back home. And one of the

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Speaker 4: coolest things about being back home is, you know, if

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Speaker 4: I'm driving through the bed On Seals, or I'm driving

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Speaker 4: through the Grandmother Mountains, or I'm driving through the Magdalenas,

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Speaker 4: I say, wow, you know I have a role in

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Speaker 4: managing all those landscapes.

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Speaker 1: Did It's a question that I wanted to ask.

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Speaker 2: Is it.

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Speaker 1: Mentally refreshing, more relaxing, enjoyable when you get a block

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Speaker 1: out some of the other issues to focus on the

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Speaker 1: public lands wildlife side of things.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, I think for me, I have a

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Speaker 3: passion about public lands and when we can when you

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Speaker 3: can do something and be successful at something you're passionate about,

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Speaker 3: it's rewarding.

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Speaker 2: But also as a representative, I mean, you represent right.

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Speaker 3: And there are a lot of good people in New

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Speaker 3: Mexico and Montana that you know, were their voice in

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Speaker 3: DC and on this issue, you know, we represent that

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Speaker 3: we're going to fight every day to make sure their

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Speaker 3: voice is represented. But this is a larger issue, you know,

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Speaker 3: really quickly. You know, Montana is a different place than

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Speaker 3: I grew up. When I grew up, you know, with

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Speaker 3: no problem with public access, no problem with fences, very

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Speaker 3: little activity out there in some of the definer hunting areas.

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Speaker 3: But you know, over time we've seen a lot of development,

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Speaker 3: a lot of fences go up, public access, you know,

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Speaker 3: God bless Onyx. But public access is oftentimes not well

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Speaker 3: known or not there. And then you have their urban

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Speaker 3: I think, you know, for those of us that benefited

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Speaker 3: about one hundred years ago, of the great ones like

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Speaker 3: Roosevelt who gave us the legacy. And now it's our

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Speaker 3: whether it's a law or regulation, to make sure that

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, the Public Lands Caucuses really is

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Speaker 4: really like a ven diagram. You know, you have a

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Speaker 4: set of members that aren't going to agree on everything,

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Speaker 4: but that little sweet spot in the middle of the

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Speaker 4: things that we do agree on. We're going to have

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Speaker 4: each other's back on those issues and whether they're management issues,

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Speaker 4: public land sell off issues, access issues, which we have

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Speaker 4: plenty of in New Mexico. I mean, one of the

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Speaker 4: worst nightmares that you can have as a New Mexican

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Speaker 4: don't know who to call, and you call it, you know,

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Speaker 4: the Game Department, or you call the State Land Office

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Speaker 4: and they say, well, you know it's going to take

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Speaker 4: us a couple of days to get you in. Answer, well,

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Speaker 4: that hunts a couple of days. So what are you

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Speaker 4: supposed to do? Do you hump it on horseback? Do

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Speaker 4: you try to get around that mountain and hope that

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Speaker 4: you can make it around that fence? Legally, those issues

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Speaker 4: continue to compound, especially in those rural, remote areas in

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Speaker 4: the Bootheel, in the Heala National Force as well, where

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Speaker 4: so much of the good hunting happens, and just recently,

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Speaker 4: you know, with this proposal to sell off public lands.

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Speaker 4: The map that was put out included this area called

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Speaker 4: Otaro Mesa that is in southeast New Mexico, part of

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Speaker 4: the district that I represent where I hunt barbary sheep

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Speaker 4: every year. There's about four or five leases out there,

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Speaker 4: the largest intact Chihuahwan Desert grasslands.

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Speaker 4: The variety of bird species that are out there are amazing,

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Speaker 4: and probably the only native herd of prong horn antelope

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Speaker 4: in the entire state of New Mexico. When I saw

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Speaker 4: going to build apartments there, the population of that place

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Speaker 4: is probably fifteen, I said, you've got to be out

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Speaker 4: of your damn mind. And so as we see new

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Speaker 4: threats emerge, as we see changing landscapes, you know, part

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Speaker 4: of the work of the Public Lands Caucus is to

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Speaker 4: identify those issues and to work on those things that

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Speaker 4: we agree with. And right now, the most pressing thing,

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Speaker 4: obviously is the proposed sell offs of public lands by

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Speaker 4: certain actors here in this body.

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Speaker 1: And Ryan, you know you're talking about your passion for

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Speaker 1: public lands, Gabe, You're you're bringing up like the ability

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Speaker 1: to bring grassroots knowledge, local knowledge up to this body

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Speaker 1: that was really the impetus of the Public Lands Caucus.

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Speaker 1: When you guys put your heads together on this, it's

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Speaker 1: not old news at all, but I think an update

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Speaker 1: is due. Is the Public Lands Caucus working, is it growing?

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Speaker 1: Is your path Ash Representative Zinkie Well getting out to

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Speaker 2: I think, and good question sas education.

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Speaker 3: You know, as a former Secretary of Public Lands, I subtracted,

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Speaker 3: I added, I exchanged public land. But there's a process

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Speaker 3: to it. We added Abnoso in New Mexico. We subtracted

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Speaker 3: some land around La Crusis for a school district. We

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Speaker 3: added federal land for public access. But there's a there

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Speaker 3: is a way to do it. The first thing I

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Speaker 3: had to do really quickly is is there a treaty involved? Now,

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Speaker 3: I believe it or not, most of the of the

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Speaker 3: West was occupied by a previous people, and there's a

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Speaker 3: lot of treaties that then would honor their access for cultural,

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Speaker 3: for ceremonial, for et cetera. So first you look at

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Speaker 3: that land, is it involved in a treaty? And just

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Speaker 3: because it's on a reservation now or an off reservation,

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Speaker 3: doesn't mean the treaty doesn't allow that. So that's the

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Speaker 3: first thing, and second thing, when you're gonna divest, are

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Speaker 3: you going to divest surface rights, sub surface rights, and

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Speaker 2: One or all?

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Speaker 3: It makes a difference because you know, one is highest

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Speaker 3: and best use of that land. And secondly, if you're

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Speaker 3: going to divest it, it should be market value or

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Speaker 3: for a better purpose in the case of you know,

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Speaker 3: adding acreage for an airport or a municipality right. But

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Speaker 3: on the in the case of of surface, that's generally

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Speaker 3: pretty easy. Subsurface you gotta you gotta look at what

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Speaker 3: you're selling because you know, critical minerals.

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Speaker 2: To all that. And then you got to look at

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Speaker 3: Does does that sale that land restrict public access on

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Speaker 3: another another piece of property? That's an important consideration, sure,

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Speaker 3: And then you got to look at what's the purpose.

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Speaker 3: If it's apartments, it's tens of acres, uh, but it's

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Speaker 3: not it's not million acre ranchetts. So what's the highest

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Speaker 3: and best use of it? But you know a lot

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Speaker 3: And then I haven't mentioned things.

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Speaker 2: Like wildlife corridors. Yep.

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Speaker 3: We spent a lot of time looking at and make

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Speaker 3: sure we preserve the wildlife corridors, the next generation can

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Speaker 3: have healthy herds. Well, that wildlife corridor may only be

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Speaker 3: and that's got a consideration. So there's all these considerations,

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Speaker 3: and I would agree that there's probably buildings. There's some property.

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Speaker 3: is that there's forty acres that was going to be

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Speaker 3: a Forest Service headquarters. It's in the middle of nowhere.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't provide any wildlife. It's right next to a school.

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Speaker 3: You know what, Jesus school would love to you, you

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Speaker 3: love to use it. Okay, that makes sense to me.

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Speaker 3: But you also have to involve the public. Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 3: And I think you know what.

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Speaker 4: The first time I met New Mexico, home to the

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Speaker 4: organ Mount Desert Peaks National Monument, and I was part

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Speaker 4: And my congressman at the time in my district had

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Speaker 4: a proposal to shrink that monument from about half a

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Speaker 4: million acres to fifty thousand acres, and so to Representative

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Speaker 4: Zinky's point about public input. He came out, had a

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Speaker 4: and you said, who the hell is going to be

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Speaker 2: Just yeah, well, you know, but a voice.

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Speaker 4: It was nice to serendipdipitously run into you.

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Speaker 2: Well you were on the trail.

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Speaker 4: But we sat around the table at a conference table

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Speaker 4: and we were talking about the language in the Antiquities

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Speaker 4: objects of protection. And I remember discussing with you wildlife

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Speaker 4: you know, the Oregon Mountain chipmunk, it is really important

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Speaker 4: early nineteen hundred days, you know, with Pinchot and Muor

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Speaker 4: and Roosevelt. They were all different styles of conservationists, right.

435
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Speaker 4: There were the preservationists. There were the light conservationists that

436
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 4: still you know, wanted development, whether it was a mine

437
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 4: or a railroad. And then there was folks like Teddy Roosevelt,

438
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Speaker 4: who was a pragmatist, right, but also you know, wouldn't

439
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 4: wouldn't compromise on the things that he loved. And he

440
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,239
Speaker 4: had a wide array of experience I think probably the

441
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Speaker 4: most out of the conservationists of those years that allowed

442
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Speaker 4: him to have the success that he did selling conservation

443
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Speaker 4: to the general public during a time when the Central

444
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,919
Speaker 4: Industrial Revolution was really should have been the focus of

445
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 4: conversation across our country, and Roosevelt made it about conservation.

446
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 4: I don't think there's another guy who could ever do

447
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,199
Speaker 4: that again. But he talked to all those folks, and

448
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 4: he took all of their input, and he worked as

449
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 4: best as he could. And so to a degree, Mine

450
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Speaker 4: and Representative Zink's job here now, and the function of

451
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 4: that caucus is for those people that care about conservation

452
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Speaker 4: and that may have diverging views on certain things like

453
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Speaker 4: management or wolfree introduction or Wild and Scenic river designation,

454
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Speaker 4: whatever it might be, there are areas in which we

455
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Speaker 4: still have an opportunity to work together to move the

456
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Speaker 4: ball forward. And we have the data now, we have

457
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Speaker 4: the scientists, we have government agencies that have undertaken decades

458
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Speaker 4: of research already on these places, so we know the

459
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Speaker 4: species that are there for the most part, we know

460
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Speaker 4: what minerals are there, We know how the watersheds are

461
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 4: impacted by these massive fires. We know where proper development

462
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 4: should take place and not for the most part. So

463
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 4: in that sense it should be easier. The harder part

464
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 4: is actually just getting it done here in Congress.

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Speaker 1: What about the example of trying to sell wildlife overpasses

466
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Speaker 1: in infrastructure.

467
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Speaker 3: Well, you know, on the surface, well, that's a lot

468
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Speaker 3: of money for an overpass. You know, when when dollars

469
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 3: are tight, right, and we're thirty eight trillion dollars in debts,

470
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Speaker 3: so I think money should be tight. But then when

471
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Speaker 3: you explain you know what value does it have, and

472
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 3: how critical the wildlife corridors are to the health of

473
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Speaker 3: the herds, and how our roads and fence lines oftentimes

474
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Speaker 3: have disturbed those patterns that are necessary between you know,

475
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 3: the winter grazing and the summer grazing, but also how

476
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 3: many lives are lost a year of getting hit by

477
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Speaker 3: you know, an elk. When you hit by and you're

478
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,360
Speaker 3: in a Volkswagen, you hit by an elk, you could

479
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 3: feel it. So you know how many lives we're going

480
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 3: to save? And some of it is the safety aspect

481
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 3: of it. But you know, to Gabe's point, you know AI,

482
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 3: we kind of talked about this before the show, but

483
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 3: AI is coming and what does AI mean and management

484
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 3: it should mean a lot. That means we can use

485
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 3: the data we can go through, we can make predictive

486
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 3: studies and even on hunting AI we need to have

487
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 3: this discussion because you know, we don't use drones for

488
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Speaker 3: hunting in Montana because there is fair chase, right, But

489
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 3: now with AI, you can put a set of game

490
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Speaker 3: cameras out, integrate, integrate everything. It goes up to a satele.

491
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Speaker 3: You can find and hunt down individual l Is that

492
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Speaker 3: fair chase? Well, you know we didn't have that discussion,

493
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Speaker 3: and how do you ensure that the hunting tradition that

494
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 3: we know, you know, it's it has to be fair.

495
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Speaker 2: You're not going to go that point just shoot them

496
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 2: from your fo Well, yeah, you're not gonna You're not

497
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 2: gonna hunt elka crop. All right.

498
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 3: It's called the experienced of going out in honey. But

499
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 3: this is where I think this format on on our

500
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 3: caucus and for AI. Some of the older generation, you know,

501
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 3: may not understand it as much as the younger, but

502
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 3: this is where we need to be educated, you know,

503
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 3: the the cutting edge people need to educate those that

504
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 3: are making the laws on what is the power of

505
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 3: AI and potential right for managing species, for getting ahead

506
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Speaker 3: of if there's zebra muscles, tell me where the propensity

507
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 3: is for zebra muscles and where do we need to

508
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Speaker 3: concentrate our resources to be effective?

509
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Speaker 2: Uh.

510
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Speaker 3: These are things that I think are great opportunity for

511
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Speaker 3: us UH to shape our policy.

512
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Speaker 2: You know, going forward.

513
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Speaker 4: A great use of AI that I've seen that impacts

514
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 4: wildlife is virtual fencing on catle operations at New Mexico

515
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 4: State University. They've developed this AI program After the Blackfire,

516
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 4: one of the the largest fires in the Helo National

517
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Speaker 4: Forest two years ago, they collared all these cattle, all

518
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 4: the pasture fences were burnt down, and they developed this

519
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 4: program to track the cattle. And yes, they get a

520
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 4: light pinch, a light touch of love to essentially move them,

521
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 4: rotate them around the grassland and keep them out of

522
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 4: those ripe perion areas since there's pasture fences, aren't there

523
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 4: anymore those riparian areas that feed into the headwaters that

524
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 4: are where the native heel of troutar should be protected.

525
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Speaker 4: And if we can't keep the cattle out because the

526
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Speaker 4: pasture fence is burnt down and the rancher can't repair

527
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 4: the pasture fences, and what do you do? So this

528
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 4: was a solution that works now. And I saw the

529
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 4: guy on his iPad looking at all the little circles

530
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 4: where all the cattle were, and he draws a little

531
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Speaker 4: geo fence around a different part where he wants him

532
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 4: to graze. The next day, he takes him there the

533
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Speaker 4: next day. Not only that, but there's monitors, rain monitors

534
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 4: and drought monitors that are actually out on the range

535
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 4: to tell them ideally without having to drive, you know,

536
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 4: your truck down a bumpy road one hundred miles UH

537
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 4: to confirm if the grass indeed is doing well or not.

538
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 4: And that's been very successful and something we should invest

539
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 4: in the form of USDA grants to folks that are grazing,

540
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 4: especially in wilderness.

541
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Speaker 2: Are you sure that Montana State didn't develop the good

542
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 2: on New Mexico. See, I didn't know that. Yeah, it

543
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 2: has relevance. And this is where you should look at,

544
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 2: you know, pilot programs.

545
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 3: That's our our job, right and take a technology that

546
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 3: we think is going to work, and let's try it out,

547
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 3: because you know, if it's best practices, best highest use,

548
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 3: that that you can manage better then that.

549
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 2: Let's try it out. Let's kick the tires.

550
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Speaker 1: My cousins. They're out of central Montana. You said you

551
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: said you were hunting out of Lewistown earlier this year.

552
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Speaker 3: Well, I's got got a small calf because that's as

553
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 3: big as my refrigerator is.

554
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: Man, we had a long standing rule about amongst my

555
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: archery hunting friends, where it's either a big bowl or

556
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: a very small calf if it's right.

557
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 2: The Actually he's got a big cat. But yeah, it

558
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 2: was nice. It's nice to get out there.

559
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: But they jumped over to GPS callers for a section

560
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: of their herd and I just sat down with them

561
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: and ran through the whole program. And it is amazing,

562
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: it's super super cool. But to jump back to the

563
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: technology and wildlife. Like, where we're sitting right here is

564
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: is historic sportsman regulation territory. Right, Like we're at the

565
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: epicenter of market hunting with the Potomac and the Chesapeake Bay,

566
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: and sportsmen stood up and self regulated and said, Hey,

567
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: I know this sounds crazy, but we shouldn't shoot waterfowl

568
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: with cannons right for market hunting purposes, right, We're destroying

569
00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: the resource. And I do think that the pace and

570
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: availability of technology is moving so fast that I just

571
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: want to say, I really appreciate you both thinking along

572
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: those terms, because we're going to be behind on this

573
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Speaker 1: in terms of how our wildlife is affected by the

574
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Speaker 1: use of the rapid use and adaptability of technology in

575
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Speaker 1: the field.

576
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, just using Onyx as an example, right,

577
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 4: I don't think I've seen a guy with the topo

578
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 4: map out in the field for a few years at least.

579
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 4: ONYX has just become institutionalized, and for good reason. I mean, obviously,

580
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 4: my biggest concern was always making sure that I was

581
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 4: staying out of private land, and that was the biggest deal.

582
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 4: But once you started to be able to mark all

583
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 4: your spots and draw your lines, and I don't know,

584
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 4: what other features Onyx has. Now it makes the honey

585
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 4: experience so much better, so much easier, knowing where the

586
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 4: waters are if you're on horseback, make sure that you

587
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 4: can make that six or seven mile right somewhere. Uh,

588
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 4: that kind of stuff is just invaluable. Invaluable, But that

589
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 4: that came pretty fast.

590
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: It's a different game. Yeah did you did you make

591
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: it out and hunt this year?

592
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 2: I did? Yeah?

593
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I killed a coups dere Yeah, out in Unit

594
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 4: twenty six cher or random story rifle rifle about six

595
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 4: hundred yards out in the middle of nowhere, about four

596
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 4: miles from the US Mexico border. It's a rugged place.

597
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,399
Speaker 4: Nobody hunts out there, which is why I hunt out there.

598
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 4: I get a tag almost every year.

599
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:31,479
Speaker 1: Cool.

600
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Speaker 4: They give out two hundred and thirty six, something like

601
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Speaker 4: three hundred.

602
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 1: People after this podcast.

603
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 4: Well, well it's it's not easy country to get into.

604
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 3: And the road you take is they're out there, is

605
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 3: all I'll say.

606
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 4: It's a big unit. It's a big unit, but a

607
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 4: nice buck. We ate it for Christmas. I still got

608
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 4: some We're about to go on a coil hunt and

609
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 4: we're going to do a wild game cookoff. So I

610
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 4: get to use some of my my uh my to

611
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 4: your meat still nice and fresh and deliciously tasty. I

612
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 4: hate to give it away, but that's what it's for.

613
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 4: It's for friends.

614
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 1: I didn't have high expectations for cues your being tasty,

615
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,479
Speaker 1: but they are. They are really good.

616
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 2: I'll say, it's how you cook.

617
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: Them and then you get You did some bird hunting

618
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: this year too?

619
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 2: I did.

620
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 3: I did some bird hunting. I try to get out

621
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 3: once a year. Although you know, when you have a

622
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 3: government shut down, yeah, you know, all these you know,

623
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 3: problems here, it interrupts my my enjoyment back home, I

624
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 3: would say, but yeah, but I think it's important too

625
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 3: to go out and hunt.

626
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 2: And hunting is you know, on the land.

627
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,760
Speaker 3: Caucus is a is an important part, but there's also

628
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 3: other parts, uh you know about public access, the hiking, fishing.

629
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Speaker 2: What are we gonna do about the corners?

630
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think the judge in Wyoming has

631
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 3: has set a precedent. The Court didn't take it up,

632
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 3: but I think it's also be helpful where we don't

633
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 3: have to lean on the court for every decision that actually,

634
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,879
Speaker 3: you know, we codify it and and and law and

635
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 3: and and to make sure the policy goes forward because

636
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 3: I and to me, the courts you know it should

637
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 3: be uh looking at what the constitutionality is, but they

638
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 3: shouldn't be you know, legislating so on on issues like

639
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 3: corners and stuff like that. I see that more than

640
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 3: the legislative box. So you know we should do that.

641
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 3: Our Our duty is Article one. And you know there's

642
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 3: a lot to a corner. Because you know four corners

643
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 3: right in Montana, you think you have access. Else some

644
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 3: of those corners don't have access at all. And it

645
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,479
Speaker 3: might be an area where you have Riparian bank where

646
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 3: where it's more or less set aside. And I on

647
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 3: on public access, it's a two way street. To me

648
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 3: is that if you have a set up a public land,

649
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:53,720
Speaker 3: there somewhere there's traditional access. It may be a corner,

650
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 3: if it's flat or land, it may not be a corner,

651
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 3: but somewhere public should have access to that. Similarly, if

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Speaker 3: you have a private land holder the governor's land around you,

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Speaker 3: somewhere you should have access to your property because whether

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Speaker 3: you're public or private, you have I think a right

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Speaker 3: for enjoyment of your property, reasonable enjoyment and not having

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Speaker 3: access to it where you have to fly in by

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Speaker 3: helicopter to me is unreasonable and that's not very enjoyable

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Speaker 3: that you could afford it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, first I want to say, like, as a constituent,

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Speaker 1: I think members of the Public Land Caucus need to

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Speaker 1: get out on public land more so. Hunting once a

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Speaker 1: year is not acceptable a lot. I mean that holds

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Speaker 1: to a higher standard there. I want you guys living

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Speaker 1: and breathing and bleeding our public lands for us. And

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Speaker 1: I can't thank you enough from the grassroots constituency level

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Speaker 1: of putting this together. And I'm sure you get pulled

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Speaker 1: in a million different way, but it's impactful for us

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Speaker 1: folks on the ground, So really keep it up and

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Speaker 1: please run out of time here. So if there's a

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Speaker 1: way for just the people to help impact the process,

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Speaker 1: what is that? How can we help?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Well, we have a Public Lands Caucus website live up now,

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Speaker 4: just went up a couple of weeks ago, so you

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Speaker 4: can contact us there if you have a particular concern

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Speaker 4: or comment or you want to talk to us about

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Speaker 4: a particular issue. You see the roster of members that

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Speaker 4: we have all twenty two, so you know which office

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Speaker 4: you contact. See if maybe one of those folks is

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Speaker 4: your representative and they're part of the caucus, and you

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Speaker 4: want to influence that conversation. Of course, writing in and

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Speaker 4: calling into our offices is important. I can tell you

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Speaker 4: that when the public lands sell off fiasco was happening

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Speaker 4: here from May to June, the amount of communication that

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Speaker 4: we received by email, by phone, folks coming into our

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Speaker 4: office was tremendous. I mean, we were just overflowing with

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Speaker 4: folks talking to us. And that makes a difference because

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Speaker 4: our staff can't do anything else but pay attention to

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Speaker 4: that issue. And that was huge. You know that grassroots

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Speaker 4: and you know when folks say, you know what, I'm

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Speaker 4: not a Republican or I'm not a Democrat, I'm just

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Speaker 4: pro public lands. And this is why it's important to me.

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Speaker 4: Those were powerful arguments that people made because they were

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Speaker 4: willing to put aside all the other politics of anything

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Speaker 4: else and just say, how can I help you so

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Speaker 4: that you can help us and protect these special places.

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Speaker 4: That's really what you can continue to do. And as

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Speaker 4: we put our priorities out like the public Lands in

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Speaker 4: Public Hands act is continue to find ways to support that.

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Speaker 4: You know, we love to see a blog post on

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Speaker 4: somebody else's website and op ed somewhere that says we

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Speaker 4: endorse this legislation. We've had that on several occasions, and

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Speaker 4: so finding creative ways. And then it's our job to

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Speaker 4: go make sure that these bills actually get heard and committee,

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Speaker 4: you know, and that we sell them to our colleagues.

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Speaker 4: And that's part of the strength of the Caucus is

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Speaker 4: that once we endorse something, you know, we can go

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Speaker 4: to somebody like Bruce Westerman or maybe not Mike Lee, uh,

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Speaker 4: but certainly some issue and uh and and we can say, hey,

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Speaker 4: the full caucus is behind this, and so you know

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Speaker 4: it comes with a little bit more weight.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And I would say, make your voice be heard. And

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Speaker 3: democracies only work if if if people utilize their their

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Speaker 3: their their their freedom to discuss. So whether you live

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Speaker 3: in our district or someone else's district, you know, find

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Speaker 3: your local congressman and let your voice be heard. Get

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Speaker 3: on the radio once in a while and say how

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Speaker 3: important it is, because it is important. I think in

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Speaker 3: the public lands battle, Uh, we won the last one.

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Speaker 3: I don't think the war's over. There's a public the

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Speaker 3: battle is done. And but I think the goodness out

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Speaker 3: of it is. We have a public plants Cacus, it's

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Speaker 3: bipartists and and uh so we're tackling some of the

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Speaker 3: issues and reducing some of the anger out there.

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Speaker 2: There's a little anger.

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Speaker 3: Uh you know some of them, you know, mismanagement over

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Speaker 3: the past. Well let's look at the future and get

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Speaker 3: the anger out of the discussion, so so people can

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Speaker 3: can talk to each other, you know, neighborly like and

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Speaker 3: and get things done.

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Speaker 2: That's right. I like it.

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Speaker 1: Well, uh I really appreciate the time and the access.

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Speaker 1: That's all we got for you.

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Speaker 2: This all right, appreciate it. Thanks Cam,