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Speaker 2: Coach, you'll lose your access.

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Speaker 1: And if you lose your access, I mean you can't

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Speaker 1: do a college football show. And if you can't do

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Speaker 1: a college football show, what's the meaning to life? Well,

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Speaker 1: we will discuss how false that is on the Late

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Speaker 1: Kick Extra podcast, which starts right now. I am Josh Pap.

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Speaker 1: This is the Laate Kick Extra podcast. It's wall to

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Speaker 1: wall mail bag. We do it once a week in

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Speaker 1: addition to the multiple episodes of Late Kick Live that

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Speaker 1: we do every week. It's college football, it's nothing else.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you being here because without you, this is nothing.

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Speaker 1: Notice I said without you, not without access. Without you,

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Speaker 1: It's part of the mail bag this morning. Now, before

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have to make it through. The diehards will

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Speaker 1: and Kevin asked this question. He said, do you shy

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Speaker 1: believe it or not. I can tell you're kind of

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Speaker 1: comment section of the Georgia video the Kirby Smart Atlanta

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Speaker 1: Journal Constitution. Georgia's program is defending and coming to the

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Speaker 1: aid of those who are guilty of perpetrating sexual assault.

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Speaker 1: You remember that whole thing we did last week. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think that, Kevin. You're talking about that, and you're

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Speaker 1: So with Smart. I talked at length Kevin, both in

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Speaker 1: the day was Northerners not to use the phrase she used.

433
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Speaker 1: Northerners got to control the lexicon of the country, and

434
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Speaker 1: so she said, they just choose which words you get

435
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Speaker 1: to mispronounce. For example, Mema would not be a fan

436
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Speaker 1: of the way most of you pronounce the word caramel.

437
00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,800
Speaker 1: There are two a's, but you only pronounced one. Carmel

438
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Speaker 1: is a travesty to the Memws.

439
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Speaker 2: Of the world.

440
00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,000
Speaker 1: And I actually agree with Mema on this. Caramel is

441
00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,240
Speaker 1: the way that should be pronounced. Anyway, we get back

442
00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:23,679
Speaker 1: to Salisbury, Maryland, I would just go hardcore b E

443
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Speaker 1: R R Y Salisbury, but you would pronounce it Salisbury.

444
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Speaker 1: And my problem is, pick a lane. Me and me

445
00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,760
Speaker 1: Maw would just like to ask you pick a lane. Okay,

446
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Speaker 1: if we're gonna go Salisbury, that's fine, but don't be

447
00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,680
Speaker 1: given me carmel. If we're gonna pronounce the letters the

448
00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:40,879
Speaker 1: way they're supposed to be pronounced, let's do it across

449
00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,840
Speaker 1: the board. Okay, Strawberry while we're at it, We got

450
00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:48,280
Speaker 1: a problem with that. Strawberry and Salisbury absolutely not one's

451
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Speaker 1: gonna be one way, one's gonna be the other way.

452
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Speaker 1: So John from Salisbury, Maryland, thank you so much for

453
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Speaker 1: submitting a question that had nothing to do with the

454
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Speaker 1: two minute rabbit hole I just went down. John is

455
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Speaker 1: asking is there a world where expansionists and non expansionists

456
00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,959
Speaker 1: each get what they want? I don't know what this

457
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,119
Speaker 1: looks like. I'm openly asking the question that was John

458
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Speaker 1: from a town in Maryland. John, I don't think so,

459
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,080
Speaker 1: but I would love it. This is John Lennon. This

460
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:21,920
Speaker 1: is imagined. Just imagine all the people living in harmony,

461
00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:27,720
Speaker 1: expansionists and non expansionists sitting crisscross apple sauce flowers in

462
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Speaker 1: their hair, around a campfire or maybe just burning. Some mencense,

463
00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,600
Speaker 1: arms locked, and everyone is comby eyeing their way to

464
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:42,479
Speaker 1: a better college football world. Ah well, John, this is

465
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Speaker 1: not a fairy tale world, my friend, and I don't

466
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Speaker 1: think that that exists. You know which camp I'm in,

467
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:49,680
Speaker 1: I know which camp some of you are in. We're

468
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Speaker 1: not gonna fight this morning. I promised you. We're not

469
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Speaker 1: gonna fight. America's birthday is fresh in our minds. We're

470
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Speaker 1: not gonna fight, But I am gonna remind you what

471
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Speaker 1: I love about this. I love the regular season. Saturday's

472
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 1: in the fall. That's the beginning and the ending for me.

473
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 1: Anything you give me in the postseason, okay, just don't

474
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Speaker 1: make it, dilude. The regular season. Well, expanding the playoff

475
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Speaker 1: does that, which has been my fundamental issue with it. Now, John,

476
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Speaker 1: if you were to walk up to me and you

477
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Speaker 1: were to be able to give me this world where

478
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Speaker 1: every Saturday has maximum importance on it, every regular season

479
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,840
Speaker 1: game has maximum importance, and somehow we still have a

480
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Speaker 1: twelve team playoff apparatus at the end, where every conference

481
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,159
Speaker 1: champ or at least the sixth highest rated are in

482
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Speaker 1: and we still get six That large is and somehow

483
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Speaker 1: we get that world. But no one has any value

484
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Speaker 1: stripped from their regular season experience. John, I would love it.

485
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Speaker 1: I would love it. Of course, that's impossible, but I

486
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Speaker 1: would love it. And I'd love to be wrong about

487
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 1: saying it's impossible. Now we all know I'm not, or

488
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,200
Speaker 1: at least we all will know I'm not, But I

489
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Speaker 1: would love to be wrong about that because I have

490
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Speaker 1: said before and I'll say again, so I'm on the

491
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Speaker 1: record many times. I don't think the playoff. It's is

492
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Speaker 1: going to be bad the playoff itself. If you were

493
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Speaker 1: to just hit the start button in December, that product

494
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:09,440
Speaker 1: will be pretty incredible.

495
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Speaker 2: I think.

496
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Speaker 1: I just don't think it's worth what it costs us

497
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 1: in the regular season, but I think that product itself

498
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 1: will be incredible. So John, I'd love to have that

499
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Speaker 1: world you're talking about. I'm not quite sure we can

500
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Speaker 1: get it. I thought we could get it if we

501
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 1: went into a six team playoff. I thought we could

502
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 1: do that, no autobids, just take the highest rated teams.

503
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Speaker 2: But it's not what we did, is it. Now?

504
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Speaker 1: The one remaining question mark before I move on from this,

505
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 1: And one of the reasons I hate this mic I'm

506
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 1: using is because I know you can hear the pops

507
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:43,119
Speaker 1: and the gulp, the swallows immunity. I think I know

508
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 1: you can hear all that in this mic. You hate it,

509
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,160
Speaker 1: We all hate it. It is what it is. One

510
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,199
Speaker 1: of the things that's the big question mark remaining in

511
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 1: the room that everyone needs to be paying attention to. Actually,

512
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 1: you know what, on second thought, don't waste your time

513
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,439
Speaker 1: on this. Let me worry about it, and you can

514
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:57,920
Speaker 1: just deal with it when it comes your way down

515
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,160
Speaker 1: the road, there's this This is this tiny little matter

516
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,159
Speaker 1: of the playoff contract wrapping up, and I think it

517
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 1: goes through twenty e twenty five. I think that's the

518
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 1: last year on it. So then twenty twenty six would

519
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 1: be a new year. Well, there's nothing decided about twenty

520
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:15,160
Speaker 1: twenty six right now. Don't believe the hype. Don't believe

521
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 1: what the waiter told you in cracker Barrel about that

522
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: new expanded playoff. Nope, it's only temporary. So that twelve

523
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 1: team format six and six, that's only temporary. They haven't

524
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: decided anything. We don't even know who's going to carry

525
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 1: the games, which network's going to own the contract. It

526
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 1: may be multiple networks down the road. And it also

527
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 1: may be that those conferences, or the power players in

528
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 1: the conferences come back to the table very soon and

529
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Speaker 1: they start saying, maybe we don't like this format we've

530
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,640
Speaker 1: agreed on. Maybe the SEC and the Big Ten say, eh,

531
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Speaker 1: second thought, we don't like six guaranteed bids to the

532
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 1: highest ranked conference champs. So I don't know what's going

533
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 1: to happen, John, who knows? Maybe I'm the commissioner. By then,

534
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 1: we don't know what's going to happen, and that's where

535
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:56,159
Speaker 1: we have to leave it this morning. A lot of

536
00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 1: unknown Amy in Grand Junction, Colorado. Really really good question here,

537
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 1: she said, I obviously am partial to Ralfie's run before

538
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,360
Speaker 1: Buffs games, but I love college football traditions all over

539
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 1: the place. I watch every Saturday specifically looking for that.

540
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 1: If you were to launch a new college football tradition

541
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Speaker 1: and you can pick any school, what would it be

542
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 1: and why?

543
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 2: Amy? You may think I haven't given.

544
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 1: Thought to this, but I specifically picked this question because

545
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Speaker 1: I've given serious thought to it. I almost hesitate to

546
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,919
Speaker 1: give this away because I look, I would steal it

547
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 1: if I were Miami, but I'm gonna do it anyway.

548
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 1: So at Miami, the traditions down there already. Withstanding, there's

549
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Speaker 1: a thing that I would do, and I want you

550
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 1: to think it through with me. So if you're college age,

551
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 1: you won't know this song.

552
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 2: Probably.

553
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,959
Speaker 1: So there's a song by the Miami Sound Machine and

554
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 1: Gloria estefan Miami grad and it's called great Song, especially

555
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 1: the intro Unmistakable, which I'm about to get to.

556
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 2: It's an old song.

557
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 1: I think it's from the eighties, like it's old for me,

558
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 1: but I love the older music, as has been well

559
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 1: documented on this show. So you listen to the song

560
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: if you haven't already. If you know the song, think

561
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: about the intro to it, and then I want you

562
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 1: to think about a pregame ritual at Miami. Now it

563
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 1: would help if I had a full crowd, by the way,

564
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: So you guys have to do your part down there,

565
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 1: but think about what this could be. So at Virginia Tech,

566
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 1: they do Inner sand Man and it's its whole thing.

567
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 2: And I'm not.

568
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 1: Suggesting this would ever get to enter Sandman levels of awesomeness.

569
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Speaker 2: Or anything like that.

570
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 1: But if you were to take the intro to Rhythm

571
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 1: is gonna get you by Gloria Estefan and the Miami

572
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: Sound Machine. First off, it's unique to Miami because it

573
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,360
Speaker 1: is by the Miami Sound Machine and it is by

574
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,439
Speaker 1: Gloria Estefan, Miami Grab And if you were to take

575
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 1: the intro, it starts out and there is a chanting

576
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 1: portion that I think could be echoed by the crowd,

577
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Speaker 1: and I think this could lead to the team taking

578
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: the field and it would wrap in perfectly with pregame

579
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Speaker 1: atmosphere because, as you guys know, there are songs that

580
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 1: have become synonymous with your team taking the field, and

581
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 1: it doesn't always represent itself, like Thunderstruck by ac DC.

582
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: I think that's what Alabama uses. For example, they do

583
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: Baba O'Reilly or you may know it is Teenage Wasteland

584
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 1: at Georgia by the Who, And those are old songs,

585
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: but you know those those sound like songs you should

586
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: take the field to the Chicago Bulls us that song

587
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 1: Forever by Alan Parson's Project of All Bands, Eye in

588
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: the Sky. It was one of those dual songs where

589
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: the first part sounded nothing like the second part, thankfully

590
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: for the Bulls, and so I think that those make sense.

591
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: Rhythm is Gonna Get You is not a song that

592
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: automatically sounds like a stadium anthem, But because of what

593
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,360
Speaker 1: Miami is and because of what that means in South Florida,

594
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: I think it could be so amy. I've thought about

595
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: this a lot, and it's one of my other favorite

596
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: parts of college football. That's why I always encourage you

597
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: guys go on road trips, go to as many road

598
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: venues as you can, because pretty much every place has

599
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: several unique things, unique facets. You never even know what's

600
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 1: going on. They do because the home crowd, you know,

601
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 1: it's always baked into their game day ritual. But it's

602
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,360
Speaker 1: not like everyone comes on the loud speaker and says,

603
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, at this time, we're going to do

604
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 1: the following. No, it's just tradition and you know what

605
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 1: to do and when to do it, and if you're

606
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: on the road, you just kind of sit down and

607
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 1: take it all in. I always do it on the field.

608
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: On the field, I'll turn around and have my back

609
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,439
Speaker 1: to the field and I'll just watch what's happening in

610
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 1: the crowd because a lot of times these things don't

611
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 1: overlap with actual gameplay anyway. And it's pretty incredible. One

612
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 1: thing I haven't been able to see is at Iowa

613
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: when they do the wave to the hospital, the children's hospital.

614
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: I haven't been able to see that, And that's a

615
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: pretty new that's a pretty new tradition. I was down

616
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: in Gainesville the first year they started doing Won't Back

617
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: Down by Tom Petty. That's pretty incredible. Have never been

618
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: to Madison, Wisconsin for a jump around. I have obviously

619
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Speaker 1: not been to Virginia Tech. I've spoken about that many

620
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: times I actually have not been to Colorado either, so

621
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: there is a lot still on the bucket list. I

622
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: mean going to Texas A and m the Aggie war him.

623
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: These are things you don't really see on TV a

624
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: lot because sometimes it's happening during commercial breaks. But if

625
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: you could ever see it, it's amazing. It's what you

626
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: remember as much as the game itself. And so I'm

627
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: just humbly suggesting if we ever get things back on

628
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: track at Miami, yeah, rhythm is gonna get You don't

629
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: be doing this with seventeen thousand people in the stands,

630
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: but if you're packing the stadium, I think it would

631
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: be a pretty incredible sound to have the chant and

632
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: then have the crowd echo the chant and then smoke,

633
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: and then team comes through tunnel and then you can

634
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: play whatever song you want to. I'm into it, and

635
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: that's really all that matters, because it was me that

636
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: Amy asked. It was not anyone else.

637
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 2: We had a short pod.

638
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: Look, it was an effort to even get this thing

639
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: off the ground. I'm using a very very very questionable

640
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: mic right now, so I hope that it has sounded

641
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: good enough. I am physically holding a windscreen with my

642
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: hand in front of my face.

643
00:29:59,560 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 2: That's hope.

644
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: Cut down on a popping and we'll be back to

645
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: normal Thursday night, Late Kick Live. I'm gonna be back

646
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: in Nashville, and we have got a lot on deck.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be a busy month and then fall

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Speaker 1: camps open in less than a month.

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Speaker 2: So we're here.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's basically fall. It's basically chilly outside.

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Speaker 1: You can pretty much see your breath in front of

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Speaker 1: your face. Let's just be real. We're pretty much at

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Speaker 1: the start line. So welcome back those of you who

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Speaker 1: are coming back in Welcome back. We've missed you.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's no off season around here. You don't

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Speaker 2: have to leave, but welcome back.

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Speaker 1: For Bradley, the associate producer, Jesse, director Colin, I'm Josh Pate.

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Speaker 1: Take care, have a great rest of your day, and

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Speaker 1: God bless