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Speaker 1: I'm Matt Miller and I'm Hannah Elliott and this is

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Speaker 1: Hot Pursuit.

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Speaker 2: And we have a special interview for you today because

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Speaker 2: one of the most iconic races in I was gonna

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Speaker 2: say motorsports, but I think in races, yes, this weekend. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's a really big deal. Have you been to the track?

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Speaker 1: No, I it seems iconic.

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Speaker 2: Have not been for the for the Indy five hundred,

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Speaker 2: I've been. Moto GP used to race there. Cool, So

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Speaker 2: I've gone to a Moto GP race there, and what

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Speaker 2: a cool town for sporting events. I went to a

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl there as well, at the Lucas Oyle Stadium.

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Speaker 2: I brought my mom to see Jane's addiction in Indianapolis

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Speaker 2: once was pretty cool. Yea, so very good and like

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Speaker 2: weird as you would expect them to be in any case,

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Speaker 2: love Indie and like the history of the motorsports there

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Speaker 2: is amazing. You know, Purdue is I don't know if

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Speaker 2: it's the only university, but it was definitely the first

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Speaker 2: university to have a motorsports engineering degree.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I had no idea.

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Speaker 2: So if you're into sports like NASCAR, IndyCar f one,

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Speaker 2: you can go to Purdue and major in motorsports engineering.

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Speaker 1: That's super cool, and it's also odd that more places

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Speaker 1: don't have that. That seems like a great career path.

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Speaker 2: I wish I had chosen it, although I'm pretty happy

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Speaker 2: with this.

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Speaker 1: Well maybe your daughters, yeah exactly.

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Speaker 2: I'll definitely say I do live through them, and I'm

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Speaker 2: going to spend that. So we're gonna talk to Catherine

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Speaker 2: Legg about her amazing qualifying session. I guess heart stopping.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I mean she's got real guts. I mean,

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Speaker 1: earlier this week she had a real she had a moment,

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Speaker 1: she proved her metal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and she was going fast, like two hundred and

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Speaker 2: thirty miles an hour or so, insane. So she kissed

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Speaker 2: the wall, as they say, but it put out a

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Speaker 2: plume of smoke, and if you were watching, it kind

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Speaker 2: of made you pause for a second. If she's driving,

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Speaker 2: I would think she would pause too, but she didn't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know what I liked about Catherine. She's

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Speaker 1: pretty open about some of her mixed feelings about some

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Speaker 1: of these women only racing series, you know that feed

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Speaker 1: into Indie and feed into Formula One. I thought it

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Speaker 1: was really interesting to hear her take all.

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Speaker 2: Right, Well, let's get into it with Catherine Legg. Let's

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Speaker 2: start it off with a phrase I love to use,

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Speaker 2: never lift, which is part of you know muscle car campaign.

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Speaker 2: But you hit the wall in a qualifying lap and

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Speaker 2: had no fear at all. How do you train for

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Speaker 3: I think it's it's honestly years of muscle memory. I

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Speaker 3: which is don't be a lifter, right, which is kind

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Speaker 3: you know, subconsciously, you've got four laps to make this

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Speaker 3: you know if you lift, it's not going to happen

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Speaker 3: that's a subconscious decision that's based upon years and years

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Speaker 1: Catherine, I thought it was really interesting, and I guess

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Speaker 1: You know, you seem very open about saying, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: wonder if that is like a conscious thing about you,

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Speaker 3: I have these feelings, and so that's why I said

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Speaker 3: it's you know, it's a lot. There's nothing like the

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Speaker 2: So for us, the five hundred is huge. I mean

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Speaker 2: and it was like a huge ordeal. Is it as

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Speaker 3: What was the accent they gave it away? Or I

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Speaker 3: It's one of the races that's on every race car

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Speaker 1: of both how you're preparing physically. Obviously we want to

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Speaker 1: know what you're eating, what types of stretching and physical

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Speaker 3: I was having that conversation this morning actually, and I

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Speaker 3: kids in schools and sponsors, and obviously Friday is the

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Speaker 3: CARB Day, which what does that look like?

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Speaker 3: What do you need. What do you like carbe loading

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Speaker 1: Has the way that you've prepared changed over the years

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Speaker 2: But music, is there a psych up song? Is there

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Speaker 1: Shape we need some names, we need some titles. Get

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Speaker 3: that's classic, that's not cheesy. All right.

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Speaker 1: I'm really curious, Catherine, you mentioned Formula one and I

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Speaker 1: Right, can you give us a sense of how a

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Speaker 3: The premise is basically the same, Right. The F one

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Speaker 3: you've got all the things that I don't know that

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Speaker 3: I also have mixed feelings about that. So on one hand,

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Speaker 1: Does that mean that you think that women only racing

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Speaker 1: series like F one Academy ultimately will not put women

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Speaker 1: drivers in Formula one and in IndyCar.

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Speaker 3: I think they will if they're getting enough. I think

438
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Speaker 3: look at Jamie Chadwick as an example. Okay, Jamie won

439
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Speaker 3: everything W series wise and looked super strong, but when

440
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Speaker 3: she went into other series, she was at the back

441
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Speaker 3: of tailor the pack, and last year she struggled in

442
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Speaker 3: indie lights. Then she realized what she needed to do,

443
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Speaker 3: which will go to the gym and get much stronger.

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Speaker 3: And I've spoken to her about this and she's become

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Speaker 3: really competitive this year. She's racing against the best, she's

446
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Speaker 3: learning from the best with the teams, and she's up

447
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Speaker 3: in the top five like pretty much every session. So

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Speaker 3: I don't know if that had happened for her three

449
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Speaker 3: or four years ago, like would she be an IndyCar

450
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Speaker 3: by now? Because she's done it that way, she's probably

451
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Speaker 3: likely going to make it to IndyCar, right, So it's

452
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Speaker 3: just delayed the process in my mind. But if that's

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Speaker 3: what she had to do to get there, to get

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Speaker 3: the backing to get there and everything else, and that's

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Speaker 3: what she had to do, So that's why the mixed

456
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Speaker 3: feelings come in, I guess, like is it a necessary

457
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Speaker 3: evil or not?

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Speaker 2: How about this? When you go to the go kart track,

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Speaker 2: do you see more girls out there? Because I think

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Speaker 2: the idea is you want to get more in the pipeline, right,

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Speaker 2: just boost the number of general young girls who want

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Speaker 2: to be race car drivers. And then in the future,

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Speaker 2: you won't need a separate series.

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent. It's a numbers game. If you think

465
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Speaker 3: of it like a pyramid, you've got at the bottom

466
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Speaker 3: of the pyramid and go karts and the lower formula

467
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Speaker 3: you've got thousands and thousands, tens of thousands of young

468
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Speaker 3: boys who want to be the next IndyCar, NASCAR or

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Speaker 3: Formula One driver, whereas you've only got a handful of

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Speaker 3: girls at the moment who want the same thing and

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Speaker 3: are willing to suffer through everything to get there. If

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Speaker 3: we get more girls interested in racing and thinking of

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Speaker 3: it as a prospect in grassroots level, then they will

474
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Speaker 3: trickle up and they will trickle through. I mean, there's

475
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Speaker 3: only a handful of drivers that ever make it to

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Speaker 3: be super professional paid drivers. I mean you've got a

477
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Speaker 3: handful of IndyCar, Formula one, and some sports car drivers

478
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Speaker 3: NASCAR as well, obviously, but if you think about all

479
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Speaker 3: the boys trying to do it's it's immense. So we

480
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Speaker 3: just need to get those girls to see it, to

481
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Speaker 3: believe it, and work up and through.

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Speaker 2: All Right, I want to get back to talk about

483
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Speaker 2: what's going on this weekend, what needs to happen for

484
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Speaker 2: you to get better pace and to finish on the podium,

485
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Speaker 2: or are you aiming for a certain place in the midfield.

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Speaker 2: What do you think about this weekend?

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Speaker 3: Qualified thirty first, It was very traumatic bumped dick qualifying.

488
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Speaker 3: We need we need speed. We don't know what the

489
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Speaker 3: lack of speed is not coming from. Obviously, if you

490
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Speaker 3: watched my qualifying run last week, you would have seen

491
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Speaker 3: the car was pretty snappy and I had to stay

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Speaker 3: in the gas through it all, which was one of

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Speaker 3: the most nerve wracking experiences I think I've ever been through.

494
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Speaker 3: But we're just trying to find a good balance and

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Speaker 3: some speed, you know, Hondra working hard behind the scenes

496
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Speaker 3: to find us some more power, and we are kind

497
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Speaker 3: of on our wing and a prayer going into this

498
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Speaker 3: weekend hoping that we can kind of be competitive at

499
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Speaker 3: the moment. We don't know what that looks like, but

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Speaker 3: I know that I will be proud of myself no

501
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Speaker 3: matter where I finish, as long as I get out

502
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Speaker 3: of the car and think that nobody else could have

503
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Speaker 3: driven that car better than I did. Right, Like, that's

504
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Speaker 3: as fast as that car will go on the day.

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Speaker 3: We've got a bunch of really cool ELF things that

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Speaker 3: they're doing over the weekend. We've got a drone show

507
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Speaker 3: that's basically five hundred drones that's just to empower women,

508
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 3: and it's a big display about me and about the

509
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Speaker 3: only five hundred who they've partnered with to do really

510
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Speaker 3: cool roadblocks, game integrations, and they're going to do lip

511
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Speaker 3: oil changes and sweet steaks and it's going to be

512
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Speaker 3: like it's a big deal for the whole women in

513
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Speaker 3: Racing movement because it's the first time that women have

514
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Speaker 3: felt represented. And while I thought, oh, it's a pink car,

515
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 3: that's super cliche, I did not realize how much it's

516
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Speaker 3: meant to so many people. And I've got so many

517
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Speaker 3: young girls and women and even guys coming up to

518
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Speaker 3: me and saying, you know, for the first time, they

519
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Speaker 3: recognize that we're here and it's not just a bunch

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Speaker 3: of men. And I love ELF's products and I'm going

521
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 3: to go buy ELF because they're sponsoring you for this,

522
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Speaker 3: And I honestly had no idea it'd be as huge

523
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Speaker 3: as it's been. It's and it's really cool. So aside

524
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Speaker 3: from the race, that's something else that I'm super proud

525
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Speaker 3: of and I'm hoping we can build on and carry

526
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Speaker 3: this movement into the future.

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Speaker 1: Well, Catherine, thank you so much for sharing that with us.

528
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Speaker 1: We're definitely rooting for you this week. And yeah, I

529
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Speaker 1: love your mentality about it. It's just it's so admirable.

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Speaker 1: So thank you for taking the time to chat.

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Speaker 3: Thanks, guys, I really appreciate you both.

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Speaker 2: That is a very cool point she made at the end,

533
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Speaker 2: because you know, like I said, my wife hates when

534
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Speaker 2: gear for women is pink if we're going skiing, or

535
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Speaker 2: like when she's buying motorcycle leathers they have, it annoys her.

536
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Speaker 2: Having said that, my daughter, who's three and a half,

537
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Speaker 2: regardless of the cliche of it, loves pink. It's her

538
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Speaker 2: favorite color. So when she's watching, Yeah, when she's watching,

539
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 2: she's gonna be like, I want the girl in pink

540
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Speaker 2: to win. Even when we're watching Moto GP she likes.

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Speaker 2: If you know Lesha Spargo wears pink or Jorge Martin

542
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 2: has like purple on his bike, she wants them to

543
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Speaker 2: win because she likes the colors.

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Speaker 3: And I like that.

545
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Speaker 2: Yes, sweet, what have you got coming up? I know

546
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Speaker 2: you just put out a Ferrari review, which yes, listeners

547
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 2: can read on the Bloomberg Terminal on Bloomberg dot com.

548
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, the Ferrari two ninety six GTS, which is

549
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: the Spider version of the GTB. I I loved it,

550
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: but I did have some quibbles as well, So you

551
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: can read about that on the terminal or online or

552
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Speaker 1: on my social media.

553
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 2: Wait, what's the biggest quibble?

554
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Speaker 1: The enfotainment controls? That is like a postage stamp haptic

555
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: screen on the steering wheel that you're supposed to like

556
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: maneuver with your thumb while you're driving. It's just completely crazy.

557
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 2: If someone needs to go back to analog.

558
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Speaker 1: Really. Yeah, but other than that, a kind of a

559
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Speaker 1: fabulous car and how could it not be.

560
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I've heard that it's like one of

561
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Speaker 2: the greats, and I think that was your conclusion as well.

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Speaker 4: And it's and I say that also knowing that it's

563
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Speaker 4: a V six hybrid, which some people may say doesn't

564
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Speaker 4: even deserve the name Ferrari on it, of course, because

565
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Speaker 4: let's remember the six cylinder.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the sixth cylinder. Dino Ferrari actually wouldn't even acknowledge

567
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Speaker 1: as a Ferrari even though they made it. They it

568
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Speaker 1: was like they wouldn't acknowledge, acknowledge it, so technically, this

569
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Speaker 1: actually is the first six cylinder Ferrari that Ferrari has

570
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Speaker 1: sold under the name for.

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Speaker 2: It, I'm skeptical of it just because I feel like

572
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 2: a Ferrari should be a V twelve, the sort of

573
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Speaker 2: famous motor that Enzo loved from the packards, or a

574
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 2: screaming flat plane crank V eight. But I'm willing to

575
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 2: change my opinion, and if I forget to drive that car,

576
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 2: I'm sure I'm going to absolutely love it. So I

577
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 2: believe it. I believe it, but definitely check out Hannah's

578
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 2: right up of that on the Bloomberg and then anything else.

579
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Speaker 2: You got something fun in your driveway.

580
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Speaker 1: Or I'm getting on it. Well, I'm getting on a

581
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Speaker 1: plane this afternoon. I'm going to go to Italy and

582
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: try to take a few days off. But I will

583
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Speaker 1: also be at Villadeste this weekend. I won't be at

584
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Speaker 1: the Monaco Grand Prix, even though I will be kind

585
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Speaker 1: of within shooting distance, and I really wish I wish

586
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: I would have planned better, because maybe I would have

587
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Speaker 1: made that happen. But I will be at the Villadeste

588
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: Concord de Lagaunts, which is that old classic car basically

589
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: beauty contest that BMW's has sponsored for two decades on

590
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: Lake Como. It's really really nice. You would love it, Matt,

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Speaker 1: I'll send you pape.

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00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I love that area and it's a

594
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 2: great place to drive, to ride motorcycles to vacation, little

595
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 2: wooden speedboats, go visit George Clooney, like, there's so much

596
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Speaker 2: to do around there. I am. I'm hoping that I'm

597
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 2: going to get a crack at the new Mustang dark

598
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Speaker 2: Horse in the next week.

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Speaker 1: Now, what makes you think Have you been in contact

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Speaker 1: with them?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I've been talking to Okay, the people at

603
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 2: Ford and I've been waiting. I haven't driven this new generation,

604
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 2: but I've watched like I've watched like two hours of

605
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 2: Straight Pipes reviews, and I mean, to me, the car

606
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 2: looks amazing. I loved the last generation. I've been a

607
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 2: Mustang fan first since you know, since I.

608
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Speaker 1: Was a little Have you ever owned a Mustang.

609
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 2: I've never personally owned a Mustang. My dad had a

610
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 2: sixty four and a half Mustang, so he had the

611
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 2: original the og to eighty nine. But I really wanted

612
00:32:54,760 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 2: to get one recently and I'm still looking around bring

613
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 2: a trailer, especially the GT three fifty from the last generation,

614
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 2: but the dark Horse may may seal the deal.

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00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: Now, does the dark Horse add power or is it

616
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Speaker 1: just cosmetic upgrades.

617
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Speaker 2: It adds a little bit of power, I think fourteen

618
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Speaker 2: horse power and no torque, so it doesn't really matter

619
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Speaker 2: that much the cosmetic upgrades. If I had my druthers,

620
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Speaker 2: I would reverse because I want to get rid of

621
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Speaker 2: the splitter and the and the take.

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Speaker 1: Because you're an adult, yes exactly, I like for the

623
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Speaker 1: age of sixteen.

624
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Speaker 2: I like the ego boost design, right. But the most

625
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 2: important thing about the dark Horse, other than the fact

626
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 2: that I think it might come with the Magnaride suspension

627
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Speaker 2: standard or you have to option that with the GT,

628
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure, but the most important thing is it

629
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 2: comes with the Tremic.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

631
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 2: Well, you can get the GT with a manual it's

632
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Speaker 2: an MT eighty two, But what you want is the Tremic. Like,

633
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 2: nobody liked the manual transmission that's in the Mustang GT

634
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 2: in the last generation, and the only reason I think

635
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 2: that they continue to use that. I've asked Ford engineers

636
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 2: about this is that they want you to pay more

637
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 2: to get the dark Horse instead. So it's like the

638
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 2: Mack one had this amazing tremic and the GT three

639
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 2: fifty had this tremic in it, although I don't think

640
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 2: it had rev matching on downshifts, which I need because

641
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,399
Speaker 2: I can't heal in tow. But that's why you pay

642
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 2: the extra money is for the for the transmission.

643
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, this is good to know, all right.

644
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 2: I guess that's help you get it. I hope so too,

645
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 2: because that's all we have to talk about this week.

646
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Speaker 2: Join us again, same time, same place next week. If

647
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 2: you have any thoughts on the women in Racing debate,

648
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 2: you know, whether they should have their own series or

649
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 2: whether they should just go with the pack.

650
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,919
Speaker 1: Feel free, Okay, I'll brace myself for the onslaught at

651
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Speaker 1: Hot Pursuit at Bloomberg dot net.

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Speaker 2: If you have any thoughts on the Ferrari of V

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