WEBVTT - Segment 1: Draft Analysis 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:06.400 At least he's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt 0:00:06.440 --> 0:00:12.559 Williamson on Home of the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:41.320 Welcome to the Drive on Dale Lolly here with Matt Williamson. 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:44.400 Mess been a while I've been on the air with 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:47.800 you in the hours. The Drive has been a while, 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:49.720 though the Drive, it has been a while. We haven't 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:52.279 been on the Drive us since last Wednesday. We now 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:55.200 have a Steelers draft in the books that we had 0:00:55.200 --> 0:00:57.280 to Van Hill and coming in there I did. I 0:00:57.280 --> 0:00:59.120 can't remember which day it was now because they've all 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:01.959 run together for but I was watched UH a thing 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:05.440 on the early Van Hale in the early years where 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:07.280 they went through all the talk to a bunch of 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:09.040 guys that knew them back when they were in high 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:11.120 school and stuff. Talked about how they used to go 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:15.399 in the Anaheim area and play all these UH parties 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:20.960 um before before this this is like Entree seventy four 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:22.920 before they had hit it big and they were the 0:01:23.000 --> 0:01:25.120 favorite band for everybody to have with their street part 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:28.320 and it would usually they get like two or three 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:30.119 songs in and then the police would show up because 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:33.200 they were so loud. But that big crowds I'm sure 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:38.760 Halen on the street corner or whatever. But anyways, Steelers 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:42.600 and everybody else really getting their draft to complete it 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:46.640 this year. Um you know, I think you look at 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:50.520 what they did, uh in the draft. They obviously had 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:53.720 a plan very much, and the plan was to fix 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:57.040 the running game. Yeah, the offense, especially the running game. 0:01:58.000 --> 0:02:00.480 I think they really had a plan of of what 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:03.920 pockets in the draft they were gonna attack, which positions, 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:07.600 you know, the the overall depth at each position. There 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:10.360 were certainly some themes of the draft class too. Yeah, 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:12.120 no doubt about it. The course, in the first round, 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:15.000 the Steelers take na J. Harris, the running back out 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:17.440 of Alabama, and that's not a huge surprise there. I 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:20.960 think we ended up both mocking him to the Steelers 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:24.840 damn anytimes. Uh. Round two they take pet Friarmouth, the 0:02:24.840 --> 0:02:27.040 tight end at a Penn State. I did have a 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:29.120 mock where I had hit them them taking him in 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:31.600 the second round, but a lot of the mocks that 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:34.480 I did he wasn't available in the second and second round. Yeah, 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:36.560 I could see that. Um So I didn't see that 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:39.400 one coming. I mean even at the time I said, wow, 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:41.680 this run the card up for Creed Humphrey and yeah, 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:43.200 you know, I want to talk about it more, but 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:44.959 you know, we're just kind of go over an overview here, 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:50.359 but segment here we can talk about. So here's the 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:53.200 more I've thought about these two picks. I think they're 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:56.079 very similar for a lot of reasons. So I'm gonna 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:58.400 go in a little rant here and that anyone listened 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:01.840 to us before thought that, or we thought that there 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:04.520 were three running backs that can fix the problem. Not 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:08.000 the Tray Sermon or whoever can't have great careers, but 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:10.440 three of them. You're real happy with it. It's telling 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:13.920 that after the steel after the top three backs went, 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:17.880 another running back wasn't taken until after the Steelers pick 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:20.800 round three, and it was Sermon the next pick after 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:24.440 Kendall Green was taken, and after the Steelers picked Harris, 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:27.440 the next pick was a back. And then quickly after 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:30.400 Denver trades up or in the second pick of the 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:32.839 second round, like these guys were covered it around the league. 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:34.480 Everyone agrees with what was saying on that. I mean, 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:36.800 the league proved it to us, but I think tight 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:39.520 ends really similar. It was similar. Yeah, Pitts as its 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:41.200 own beast. Yeah, I mean he's a top five pick. 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:44.080 He's he's a unicorn, easy, but the highest tight end 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:47.680 ever drafted in in NFL history, right right, so you 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:49.560 I don't even know if he can you count him 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:54.400 in the conversation, especially from a Steeler perspective, Like so realistically, 0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:59.640 you got the guy who was also got Yeah, you 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:02.000 kind of a one B at the tight end position. 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:03.920 But it's similar to Harris. I mean, he was your 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:06.960 favorite guy that isn't and you knew you weren't gonna 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:08.600 have you weren't gonna get a chance of pitch. That 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:10.800 was my point with it. You've got the number one 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:13.320 running back in the draft. They're never in a position 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:17.560 to do that, and you got arguably the the top 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:23.160 tight end not named Kyle Pitts. And to that point, 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:25.080 I mean, and we talked about this a lot pre draft, 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:28.919 like the running backs, how many tight ends in this class? 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:32.039 Pits aside? Would you've been really happy that boy? I 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:34.840 think we may have fixed this problem. To me, it's 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:37.960 tremble long and friar Mouth, and that much of the 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:39.880 friar Mouth than the other two. And I think the 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:42.360 other two were more third round picks. If they've taken 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:44.200 one of those guys at fifty five, I think that's 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:47.400 too early, right, I agree, I think you'd considering that early. 0:04:47.960 --> 0:04:51.240 So if you look at their last couple of drafts, 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:55.440 they've thrown some mid to late round picks at running 0:04:55.440 --> 0:04:59.279 backs and tight ends and enough enough like they ain't 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:01.919 getting it done. I mean, you're trying to catch lightning 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:04.960 in a bottom with from those guys. It hasn't happened. Um, 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:07.160 so you do you take the outlier again, you get 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:10.159 the best players at their position. Yeah, exactly as opposed 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:13.640 to taking the sixth offensive tackle or the you know, 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:16.000 in this case, it would have been the second rated 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:18.680 center right where it could have. I mean, Creed Humphrey 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:21.719 could have been one, but the difference was to me, 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:24.320 I think Green is still in the same tier. That's 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:26.240 where I was gonna say, we talked about this or 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:29.800 five or sixth centers going into this draft, that you 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:32.320 look and go that guy could step in and play, 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:34.680 if if not right away early in this season. Right. 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:36.480 And I'm not gonna talk about both sides of my 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:38.880 mouth because I hadn't thought about in this light as much, 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:41.720 and I'm sure the Steelers did. When the second round 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:44.080 came around, I said, oh, Creed Humphreys an easy pick, 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:46.960 plug and play starter, and I would rather have Humphrey 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:49.880 than Green, but not by much. They're all on the 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:53.680 same tier, and um, Wisconsin Whitewater dude would have been 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:55.840 on that tier. And you know, I'm sure they looked 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:57.720 at and said, this is our one shot at a 0:05:57.800 --> 0:06:01.280 tight end. He's a starter to And just to show 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:05.359 you that there was no real consensus on that, Myers 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:10.400 from Ohio State went before Creed Humphrey. Yeah, right, did 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:12.480 he Yeah, he went like a one or two picks 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:15.960 before Creed Humphrey. So there was five of them or 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:18.360 so in that name. I mean, just because everybody said, well, 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:22.640 you know that all the rankings say this. Yeah, but 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:24.640 you also don't have all the information. You know, we 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:27.320 don't either, you know. So I thought they got two 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:32.440 starters that, oh, by the way, are extremely quarterback friendly. 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:35.600 And I'm talking about old Ben, but I'm really talking 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:38.240 about whoever the new dude is. You know, big catching 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:44.080 radius is easy throws to those two players. Um, I'm 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:47.440 pretty sure I remember the year Cincinnati took Tyler Eifert 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:49.919 in the first and Jio Bernard in the second. And 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:51.760 I'm almost positive. That was the year after they took 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:55.400 Andy Dalton. That was and I remember writing articles these 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:58.560 are Andy Dalton friendly picks. You know, you gotta remember 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:01.279 who your quarterback is, and this case who it's going 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:04.920 to be tight ends in receiving backs that also are 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:09.600 big for their size are really quarterback friendly. Yeah. Um. 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:11.960 So then they follow up in the third round they 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:14.520 take Kendrick Green, who was a favorite of this show, 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:17.640 and yeah, um, you know, we were not that much 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:20.560 different than Humphrey, to know. I think, in fact, there 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:23.800 are some things that he does better. Um. I think 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:26.240 if you're looking for you know, Humphrey is more of 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:30.000 a technician. Um, if you're looking for somebody who's gonna 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:32.120 be a road greater, I think Kendrick Green is more that. 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:34.600 I think he's more explosive off the ball, yeah, you know, 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:36.920 and probably maybe have a higher ceiling to it. Might 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:40.880 even be more athletic overall. Maybe Humphrey changed direction does 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:46.800 and is a pretty good pretty good athletes. Yeah Green 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:50.120 straight line. I mean again, it goes back to the 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:53.520 old Meryl Hodge conversation with the Bears, and there he 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:55.080 goes to the Bears and they're asking him how the 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:56.760 Steelers ran a certain play and he said, well, we 0:07:56.760 --> 0:07:58.600 have the center, you know, gets out here and makes 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:01.880 this block, and they're like, what, right, Green can do 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:03.520 those kind of things. Yeah, a little bit more of 0:08:03.520 --> 0:08:07.520 a working projects bress than Humphrey as a protection guy. Um, 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:09.280 but I think you'll get it. I mean, it's really 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:11.800 hard workers, super energetic, and center is not really a 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:13.559 spot where you look at and go, boy, my center 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:15.880 better be really good in protection. It's more health position 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:18.600 most of the time anyways. Improve It's not like he's 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:24.080 bad anyway. Yeah. Um. The other thing about that, Kevin 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:27.000 Colbert was on with the Belief Stand Savereign today and 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:30.800 said that the Steelers felt that if Kendrick Green had 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:33.720 played more than the four career starts that he had 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:37.280 at center, he would have been drafted higher. That makes 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:38.800 a ton of sense. Yeah, I'm sure they're in some 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:41.560 draft rooms are going I'd like him a center, but 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:43.480 I wish I saw him some more of it. Yeah. 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:46.000 It's almost like, you know, he's almost like looking at 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:48.520 an opt out at the center position, because again, only 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:51.880 four games there, but he can do it, and you 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:53.760 know there were times when he did it not knowing 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:55.959 that he was gonna you know, people prepare all throughout 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:58.160 the week to play one position and not playing center, 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:01.160 and now it's always gonna do. Yeah, that's the beauty 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:02.880 of it is that day you drafted me and say 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:04.920 you're a center. Get used to it, snap out. You know, 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:08.200 it's not that much of a conversion, assuming he can 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:10.880 handle it mentally, which I have no doubts. You can now. 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:13.400 One guy we hadn't talked a lot about that they 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:16.120 drafted in the fourth round was Dan Moore. Yeah, and 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:17.800 he kind of got lost in the shuffle. And this 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:20.600 year's offensive tackle class a good way of putting it, 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:23.000 because there were just so many you couldn't you know, 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:25.160 you couldn't mention them all. No, and we didn't mention 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:29.360 them often. Um, somethings stand out. A couple of things 0:09:29.400 --> 0:09:30.760 stand out with all these guys when we can go 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:32.920 back and do you know some themes of the draft. 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:35.080 But I know he came to A and M as 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:36.960 a guard and he probably could do that. But I 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:38.960 think he's a tackle all day. He's got a pure 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:42.640 tackle body. Yeah, he's a little bit leaner, light green's 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:45.280 he's good in space. He's a good athlete. I think 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:47.480 you're gonna see more outside zone than we're used to 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:50.800 seeing in the run game. Long arms, certainly the frame 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:53.239 to handle it, but also well a lot of experience 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:56.720 as well. So a project in terms of getting stronger, 0:09:56.840 --> 0:10:00.080 filling out a little bit. But he's been on the 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:03.480 block at the high level two in the SEC SEC. Yeah, 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:05.400 people look at Texas A and M and they don't 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:08.120 they still don't think SEC that's where they play their games. 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:10.960 That they're playing Alabama, they're playing Georgia, They're playing all 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:14.199 those l s U, all those that drushers. Yeah. Um, 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:16.480 same thing with Buddy Johnson. He was a guy that 0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:18.480 you know, I started to mention a little bit late 0:10:18.480 --> 0:10:21.959 in the pro uh, in the process of a guy 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:25.640 one of these inside linebackers to thirty pounds that can run. 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:30.480 Um is a good form tackler, just needs to get 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:33.760 better in coverage. Yeah, And I think, as we talked 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:35.920 about this a week or two ago, just because you're 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:37.360 time well in the fort he doesn't mean you're good 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:40.319 in coverage. And he needs work to do in that regard. 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:43.200 And I don't though he plays quite the speedy times, 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:46.439 but I think he's certainly a more athletic version of 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:49.360 Vince Williams. I mean he loves to come downhill and thumb. 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:53.400 He likes to come downhill. He is really aggressive, um leader, tough, 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:56.560 all those things. Also has a lot of experience. He 0:10:56.679 --> 0:10:59.840 sets up to be a demon on special teams too. Yeah, 0:10:59.840 --> 0:11:03.400 this is something that you know, again, you didn't have, um, 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:08.960 you didn't have another linebacker, not counting Ulisses Gilbert who 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:12.600 could run in the same neighborhood as Devon Bush. He's 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:14.840 different than the other guys you have there. I mean 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:18.000 not that he's all the greatest trades, but he's somewhere 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:22.040 between Williams and Bush. Yeah, you know on the spectrum. Uh. 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:26.040 They then trade up in the fifth round um trading. Yeah, 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:28.360 I was kind of surprised, but they traded the fourth 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:31.240 round pick from next season to move up and get 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:34.600 Isaiah louder Milk. And you know, I know a lot 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:36.880 of people looked at dense and well he wasn't he 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:39.320 wasn't listed on so and so's draft guide or this guy. 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:43.319 This guy had him as a you know, undrafted free 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:49.000 agent stuff like that. He's listed at six seven two pounds. 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:52.480 There weren't a lot of bit bodies types like that 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:56.560 And I haven't talked about this much, but that's the 0:11:56.679 --> 0:12:01.920 true old school lebou three for defensive end body type guys. 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:04.480 They almost all get moved to tackle now, right. You know, 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:08.320 it's hard to find defenders that fit those dimensions. So 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:10.040 that's a start. I mean, I bet they were working 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:12.920 off a short list and they didn't have to project 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:15.760 here because he had played that defense. Yeah, he had 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:19.400 played that at Wisconsin. They have a good foundation with 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:22.200 the staff at Wisconsin with Paul christ That to me 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:24.520 is the key. Yeah. If this was some some school 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:27.200 that there was just Joe Blow, I'd kind of roll 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:31.040 my eyes at it. And frankly, I think next year's 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:33.160 fourth round will be a lot better than this year's 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:35.079 fifth round. I mean, I'm totally guess. I don't know 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:36.559 who's the next year's draft, but it's gonna be a 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:40.240 deeper draft, you know. But because of that was constant connection. 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:43.280 I bet that's an acept their sleeve, you know. I mean, 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:45.040 I bet they knew. So here's the thing. When you 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:48.319 look at to give up what they did the late 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:51.840 round guys that they've gotten recently, or even the undrafted 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:55.600 free agent Henry Mondu when you're taking a defensive lineman 0:12:55.760 --> 0:13:00.480 in round six or seven. He's not six seven, He's 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:04.680 not he's not a six pounder. He's a six three pounder. 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:08.880 He's not your ideal prospect at the at the position. 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:10.880 And I know times have changed, but I even had 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:13.679 this conversation with Kevin way back when, like back when 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:17.160 they were Lab three four, you know, and the world's 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:19.000 changed a lot. You'd be six four and a half 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:20.760 or four or more. You know, we're not even looking 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:23.000 at you, you know, for that position with long arms. 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:25.240 And they got that guy. I mean, is he a 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:28.400 perfect athlete? No. I went back and watched the fair 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:31.000 amount last night. He's productive. I mean, he's in on 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:33.840 a lot of plays. Lower bodies, a little stiff, you know, 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:35.680 I mean, you know, but they'll coach him up and 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:39.360 you know, um again, if he works into the rotation, 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:42.920 if he's getting ten snaps a game at some point 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:45.600 this season, if he could spell Heyward, do it while 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:49.920 he learns that um. In sixth round, they I think 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:53.199 they got what I considered their steel of the draft, 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:56.240 Quincy Rochet being available in the sixth round. The sixth 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:58.840 round was often where when we were doing our mock drafts. 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:01.560 It was no man where we would take one of 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:04.760 those best edge rushers available, but it was never Quincy 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:07.640 Roche being we were always considered him in the fourth 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:12.440 or so. Talk about his role for next year, Maybe 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:14.480 it's optimistic because he has a six round pick. I mean, 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:16.720 no matter what we say or what you know, I 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:19.400 think he's should be the third outside lineback. Yeah. I 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:21.240 mean I think he'll win that job early and that's 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:23.880 immense value. Absolutely. I mean I think he gets ten 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:27.160 to fifteen snaps a game. Yeah, sooner rather than later, 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:28.880 right right. I mean I don't think there's a lot 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:31.280 in one plays a lot in special teams, and yeah, 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:33.360 I think there's a definite role there. And you're talking 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:36.880 about a six rounder with a defined role. I don't 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:40.280 know that more louder Milk. The other guys we talk 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:44.160 about are high quality football players. I know he is. 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:47.440 I already know that about him is he's really good 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:49.120 to play. And that's the thing too, is that you 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:50.720 had to look at here because when you have a 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:55.440 draft like this where you take Okay Nausea, Harris isn't 0:14:55.440 --> 0:15:00.840 playing any special teams. Pat Friarmouth maybe here or there, 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:03.000 but not a lot. Maybe he's probably field goal team. 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:05.600 He might be out there on on your kick, on 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:08.000 your kick return or something like it is one of 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:11.720 the up game. Kendrick Green No, No, neither one of 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:15.280 those guys, Dan Moore, no, Buddy Johnson will play special 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:17.760 teams maybe as well as they went on a team. Yeah, 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:19.520 and I think he's gonna be a star there. Louder 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:24.520 Milk No, um so Roche, yes, I mean you you 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:26.960 had to get some guys that, you know, especially rookies, 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:29.760 that can can handle that because they're gonna be core 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:32.360 special teamers. We saw it with t J. Want the 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:35.960 year he was drafted in the first round as a linebacker. 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:38.560 He's a starter and he's playing all the special teams. 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:41.440 I mean, yeah, it's the first round pick. These guys 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:43.840 are gonna play. They're gonna play. Yeah, I mean I 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:46.280 expect Roche to be active on game day, to be 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:49.400 getting rotational snaps right off the bat, beyond every special team. 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:51.280 I mean, by the time you count up his his 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:55.640 defensive snaps and special team snaps, he's over thirty snaps 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:59.520 a game. Yeah. Yeah, Yeah, that's a sixth round pick. 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:03.560 I mean that's one of that's good value. Probably is 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:06.200 my favorite big pound for round. Uh. In the seventh round, 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:09.120 then they take Trey Nor with the cornerback safety out 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:11.520 of Have you got any more inclination? Oklahoma? What they're 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:13.640 gonna do with him? I mean, I would think he's 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:15.440 in the he's in the mix to be the nickel. 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:20.360 He did a lot of that at Oklahoma. Um, I 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:22.880 mean I thought he'd probably be a nickel corner. But 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:25.520 a safety is he a corner? You know? They brought 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:28.400 in a lot of undrafted guys to that our defensive back, 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:30.480 so they just they threw a lot at the wall. 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:32.760 That's exactly what it feels like, is starting with him, 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:35.120 they may find one there. And the guy that the 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:38.480 the most interesting one there to me was Mark Gilbert. Uh. 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:41.240 The kid had a duke. He's only played four games 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:45.080 the last two years, but in two eighteen, uh, he 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:49.080 played the full season, had five interceptions. N is big 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:53.800 and can run. Um. His uncle's Sean Gilbert, So there's 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:56.240 some there's some bloodlines there. Who of course that also 0:16:56.280 --> 0:16:59.640 ties him in with Tay Lawrell Rivers, all those all 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:02.680 those I'll equipped guys. Yeah, Uh, there's some there's some 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:06.719 pedigree there. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't recognize the name 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:08.760 off the top of my head, but yeah, I didn't 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:10.919 know that story. And boy, that seems like a Steeler 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:14.160 move all day long. And he had the injury issues 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:17.440 the last two years, um and the strange years obviously. 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:20.080 So yeah, and you also throw Jakier Brown and there 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:22.439 he was the brand name guy. But I mean defensive, 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:24.720 we had him in the mix there when you're looking 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:27.560 at those you know, six seventh round guys, and Shaker 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:30.040 Brown stood out and they got him anyways, and it 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:32.400 was undrafted guys. I don't know if they have any 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:36.000 leg down, you know, against the drafted dude either. I mean, 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:38.520 throw them all in the mix. See who stands out. Yeah, 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:40.920 the seventh rounder doesn't make it. I mean, there's really 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:43.639 not much different, right other than if you get to 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:46.199 pick the guy that you wanted, which leads us to 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:49.680 the punter in the seventh round, they got the guy 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:52.160 that they wanted. People said, well, I've gotten the question, 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:54.960 why did they waste to pick on a punter. Well, 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:58.640 they've tried. They've tried to sign punters after the draft 0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:01.600 in previous year, and those guys said, no, I'm gonna 0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:05.080 sign with team b here because they're offering me more money, 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:07.040 or I have a better situation than I'm going to 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:09.159 where I want to stay in the South, or what 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:11.439 maybe I got a buddy on the team or whatever 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:13.959 the reason is. I don't know much about the Potning 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:16.199 market and the rookies is here. I know nothing about it. 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:18.560 I know about this guy because the Steelers drafted him. 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:21.280 But as a rule of thumb, there's two. It's not 0:18:21.440 --> 0:18:23.679 like the center of conversation. There's two or three that 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:25.960 are one of the best thirty two in the world, 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:28.840 and people want them as undrafted free agents, and you 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:32.240 have to compete, and ten teams out there aren't happy 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:35.679 with their putter or would gladly downsize in terms of 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:39.840 SA Yeah yeah, yea, yeah, So I think it makes 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:42.240 perfect sense, especially in the draft that wasn't very deep 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:45.720 the seventh rounders available. I mean, in the seventh round 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:48.120 with that last pick, they might have taken Shakura Brown. 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:51.199 Probably well they got him anyway, they probably they were probably. 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:54.560 In fact, that was pretty much announced the Shakia Brown signing. 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:56.560 Was not even sure the draft was over. It was 0:18:56.680 --> 0:18:59.480 like a second was the second it was over. So 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:02.119 I'm sure when that's seventh. I'm sure they were on 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:05.520 the phone with him, or at least with his agent 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:08.280 in the seventh round when they made both of those picks. 0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:10.320 I don't know who his agent is, probably somebody they've 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:11.919 dealt with a lot, and say, hey, look, if we 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:13.879 don't draft him here, we'd like to sign him and 0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:15.560 he'll have a real shot to make the team. He's 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:17.640 got a great shot. Tom we we wanted to draft 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:21.000 a corner. Didn't work that way. He's we're gonna treat 0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:23.080 him like he's the fourth, fifth round pick, which is 0:19:23.160 --> 0:19:25.879 where you saw him. So they got some real value 0:19:25.920 --> 0:19:28.439 on day two I thought, yeah, or day three I 0:19:28.440 --> 0:19:31.600 should say, um, you know you they took the lineman 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:34.120 that everybody wanted them. Hey, gotta go get a lineman, 0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:39.000 gotta get lineman. Yeah they got lineman. Yeah. Of course. 0:19:39.040 --> 0:19:43.720 The other undrafted guys Lamont Wade from Clarton, little undersize 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:48.240 safety five nine eighties, a little light to play wonder 0:19:49.880 --> 0:19:51.959 potentially because he did run a four or four five. Now. 0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:55.359 He wasn't super productive though, but he was. He was 0:19:55.400 --> 0:19:59.720 a five star prospect, remember, but great to bring the 0:19:59.720 --> 0:20:03.520 camps videos At this stage. I did like the the 0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:07.000 offensive or the outside linebackers that they got as well. 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:10.840 Jamar watch him was a guy that came up on 0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:14.040