1 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: At least he's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:12,559 Speaker 1: Williamson on Home of the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. 3 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Drive on Dale Lolly here with Matt Williamson. 4 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: Mess been a while I've been on the air with 5 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: you in the hours. The Drive has been a while, 6 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: though the Drive, it has been a while. We haven't 7 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,279 Speaker 1: been on the Drive us since last Wednesday. We now 8 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: have a Steelers draft in the books that we had 9 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: to Van Hill and coming in there I did. I 10 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: can't remember which day it was now because they've all 11 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,959 Speaker 1: run together for but I was watched UH a thing 12 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: on the early Van Hale in the early years where 13 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: they went through all the talk to a bunch of 14 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 1: guys that knew them back when they were in high 15 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: school and stuff. Talked about how they used to go 16 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 1: in the Anaheim area and play all these UH parties 17 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 1: um before before this this is like Entree seventy four 18 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: before they had hit it big and they were the 19 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 1: favorite band for everybody to have with their street part 20 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 1: and it would usually they get like two or three 21 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:30,119 Speaker 1: songs in and then the police would show up because 22 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: they were so loud. But that big crowds I'm sure 23 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: Halen on the street corner or whatever. But anyways, Steelers 24 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: and everybody else really getting their draft to complete it 25 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: this year. Um you know, I think you look at 26 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: what they did, uh in the draft. They obviously had 27 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: a plan very much, and the plan was to fix 28 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: the running game. Yeah, the offense, especially the running game. 29 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: I think they really had a plan of of what 30 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: pockets in the draft they were gonna attack, which positions, 31 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: you know, the the overall depth at each position. There 32 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 1: were certainly some themes of the draft class too. Yeah, 33 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: no doubt about it. The course, in the first round, 34 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: the Steelers take na J. Harris, the running back out 35 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: of Alabama, and that's not a huge surprise there. I 36 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: think we ended up both mocking him to the Steelers 37 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: damn anytimes. Uh. Round two they take pet Friarmouth, the 38 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: tight end at a Penn State. I did have a 39 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: mock where I had hit them them taking him in 40 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: the second round, but a lot of the mocks that 41 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: I did he wasn't available in the second and second round. Yeah, 42 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: I could see that. Um So I didn't see that 43 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: one coming. I mean even at the time I said, wow, 44 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: this run the card up for Creed Humphrey and yeah, 45 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: you know, I want to talk about it more, but 46 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:44,959 Speaker 1: you know, we're just kind of go over an overview here, 47 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 1: but segment here we can talk about. So here's the 48 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: more I've thought about these two picks. I think they're 49 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 1: very similar for a lot of reasons. So I'm gonna 50 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: go in a little rant here and that anyone listened 51 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: to us before thought that, or we thought that there 52 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: were three running backs that can fix the problem. Not 53 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: the Tray Sermon or whoever can't have great careers, but 54 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: three of them. You're real happy with it. It's telling 55 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 1: that after the steel after the top three backs went, 56 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: another running back wasn't taken until after the Steelers pick 57 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 1: round three, and it was Sermon the next pick after 58 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: Kendall Green was taken, and after the Steelers picked Harris, 59 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: the next pick was a back. And then quickly after 60 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: Denver trades up or in the second pick of the 61 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:32,839 Speaker 1: second round, like these guys were covered it around the league. 62 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: Everyone agrees with what was saying on that. I mean, 63 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: the league proved it to us, but I think tight 64 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: ends really similar. It was similar. Yeah, Pitts as its 65 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: own beast. Yeah, I mean he's a top five pick. 66 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: He's he's a unicorn, easy, but the highest tight end 67 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: ever drafted in in NFL history, right right, so you 68 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: I don't even know if he can you count him 69 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: in the conversation, especially from a Steeler perspective, Like so realistically, 70 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: you got the guy who was also got Yeah, you 71 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: kind of a one B at the tight end position. 72 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: But it's similar to Harris. I mean, he was your 73 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: favorite guy that isn't and you knew you weren't gonna 74 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: have you weren't gonna get a chance of pitch. That 75 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: was my point with it. You've got the number one 76 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: running back in the draft. They're never in a position 77 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: to do that, and you got arguably the the top 78 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 1: tight end not named Kyle Pitts. And to that point, 79 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: I mean, and we talked about this a lot pre draft, 80 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 1: like the running backs, how many tight ends in this class? 81 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 1: Pits aside? Would you've been really happy that boy? I 82 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 1: think we may have fixed this problem. To me, it's 83 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: tremble long and friar Mouth, and that much of the 84 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: friar Mouth than the other two. And I think the 85 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 1: other two were more third round picks. If they've taken 86 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: one of those guys at fifty five, I think that's 87 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: too early, right, I agree, I think you'd considering that early. 88 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: So if you look at their last couple of drafts, 89 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: they've thrown some mid to late round picks at running 90 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 1: backs and tight ends and enough enough like they ain't 91 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,919 Speaker 1: getting it done. I mean, you're trying to catch lightning 92 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: in a bottom with from those guys. It hasn't happened. Um, 93 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 1: so you do you take the outlier again, you get 94 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 1: the best players at their position. Yeah, exactly as opposed 95 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: to taking the sixth offensive tackle or the you know, 96 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: in this case, it would have been the second rated 97 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: center right where it could have. I mean, Creed Humphrey 98 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 1: could have been one, but the difference was to me, 99 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: I think Green is still in the same tier. That's 100 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: where I was gonna say, we talked about this or 101 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: five or sixth centers going into this draft, that you 102 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: look and go that guy could step in and play, 103 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: if if not right away early in this season. Right. 104 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna talk about both sides of my 105 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: mouth because I hadn't thought about in this light as much, 106 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 1: and I'm sure the Steelers did. When the second round 107 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: came around, I said, oh, Creed Humphreys an easy pick, 108 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: plug and play starter, and I would rather have Humphrey 109 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: than Green, but not by much. They're all on the 110 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: same tier, and um, Wisconsin Whitewater dude would have been 111 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 1: on that tier. And you know, I'm sure they looked 112 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 1: at and said, this is our one shot at a 113 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 1: tight end. He's a starter to And just to show 114 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:05,359 Speaker 1: you that there was no real consensus on that, Myers 115 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: from Ohio State went before Creed Humphrey. Yeah, right, did 116 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 1: he Yeah, he went like a one or two picks 117 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: before Creed Humphrey. So there was five of them or 118 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 1: so in that name. I mean, just because everybody said, well, 119 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: you know that all the rankings say this. Yeah, but 120 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: you also don't have all the information. You know, we 121 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: don't either, you know. So I thought they got two 122 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: starters that, oh, by the way, are extremely quarterback friendly. 123 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 1: And I'm talking about old Ben, but I'm really talking 124 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: about whoever the new dude is. You know, big catching 125 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: radius is easy throws to those two players. Um, I'm 126 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: pretty sure I remember the year Cincinnati took Tyler Eifert 127 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,919 Speaker 1: in the first and Jio Bernard in the second. And 128 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: I'm almost positive. That was the year after they took 129 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: Andy Dalton. That was and I remember writing articles these 130 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: are Andy Dalton friendly picks. You know, you gotta remember 131 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 1: who your quarterback is, and this case who it's going 132 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 1: to be tight ends in receiving backs that also are 133 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: big for their size are really quarterback friendly. Yeah. Um. 134 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: So then they follow up in the third round they 135 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: take Kendrick Green, who was a favorite of this show, 136 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: and yeah, um, you know, we were not that much 137 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: different than Humphrey, to know. I think, in fact, there 138 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: are some things that he does better. Um. I think 139 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: if you're looking for you know, Humphrey is more of 140 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: a technician. Um, if you're looking for somebody who's gonna 141 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: be a road greater, I think Kendrick Green is more that. 142 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: I think he's more explosive off the ball, yeah, you know, 143 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: and probably maybe have a higher ceiling to it. Might 144 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: even be more athletic overall. Maybe Humphrey changed direction does 145 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: and is a pretty good pretty good athletes. Yeah Green 146 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: straight line. I mean again, it goes back to the 147 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: old Meryl Hodge conversation with the Bears, and there he 148 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: goes to the Bears and they're asking him how the 149 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: Steelers ran a certain play and he said, well, we 150 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: have the center, you know, gets out here and makes 151 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: this block, and they're like, what, right, Green can do 152 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: those kind of things. Yeah, a little bit more of 153 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: a working projects bress than Humphrey as a protection guy. Um, 154 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: but I think you'll get it. I mean, it's really 155 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: hard workers, super energetic, and center is not really a 156 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:13,559 Speaker 1: spot where you look at and go, boy, my center 157 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: better be really good in protection. It's more health position 158 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: most of the time anyways. Improve It's not like he's 159 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: bad anyway. Yeah. Um. The other thing about that, Kevin 160 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: Colbert was on with the Belief Stand Savereign today and 161 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: said that the Steelers felt that if Kendrick Green had 162 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 1: played more than the four career starts that he had 163 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: at center, he would have been drafted higher. That makes 164 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: a ton of sense. Yeah, I'm sure they're in some 165 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: draft rooms are going I'd like him a center, but 166 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: I wish I saw him some more of it. Yeah. 167 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: It's almost like, you know, he's almost like looking at 168 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: an opt out at the center position, because again, only 169 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: four games there, but he can do it, and you 170 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: know there were times when he did it not knowing 171 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:55,959 Speaker 1: that he was gonna you know, people prepare all throughout 172 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: the week to play one position and not playing center, 173 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: and now it's always gonna do. Yeah, that's the beauty 174 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: of it is that day you drafted me and say 175 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: you're a center. Get used to it, snap out. You know, 176 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 1: it's not that much of a conversion, assuming he can 177 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: handle it mentally, which I have no doubts. You can now. 178 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: One guy we hadn't talked a lot about that they 179 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: drafted in the fourth round was Dan Moore. Yeah, and 180 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: he kind of got lost in the shuffle. And this 181 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: year's offensive tackle class a good way of putting it, 182 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: because there were just so many you couldn't you know, 183 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: you couldn't mention them all. No, and we didn't mention 184 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: them often. Um, somethings stand out. A couple of things 185 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: stand out with all these guys when we can go 186 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: back and do you know some themes of the draft. 187 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: But I know he came to A and M as 188 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 1: a guard and he probably could do that. But I 189 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: think he's a tackle all day. He's got a pure 190 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: tackle body. Yeah, he's a little bit leaner, light green's 191 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: he's good in space. He's a good athlete. I think 192 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: you're gonna see more outside zone than we're used to 193 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: seeing in the run game. Long arms, certainly the frame 194 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,239 Speaker 1: to handle it, but also well a lot of experience 195 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: as well. So a project in terms of getting stronger, 196 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:00,080 Speaker 1: filling out a little bit. But he's been on the 197 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: block at the high level two in the SEC SEC. Yeah, 198 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: people look at Texas A and M and they don't 199 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: they still don't think SEC that's where they play their games. 200 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: That they're playing Alabama, they're playing Georgia, They're playing all 201 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:14,199 Speaker 1: those l s U, all those that drushers. Yeah. Um, 202 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: same thing with Buddy Johnson. He was a guy that 203 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: you know, I started to mention a little bit late 204 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,959 Speaker 1: in the pro uh, in the process of a guy 205 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: one of these inside linebackers to thirty pounds that can run. 206 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: Um is a good form tackler, just needs to get 207 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: better in coverage. Yeah, And I think, as we talked 208 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: about this a week or two ago, just because you're 209 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: time well in the fort he doesn't mean you're good 210 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,319 Speaker 1: in coverage. And he needs work to do in that regard. 211 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: And I don't though he plays quite the speedy times, 212 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 1: but I think he's certainly a more athletic version of 213 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: Vince Williams. I mean he loves to come downhill and thumb. 214 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: He likes to come downhill. He is really aggressive, um leader, tough, 215 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 1: all those things. Also has a lot of experience. He 216 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: sets up to be a demon on special teams too. Yeah, 217 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: this is something that you know, again, you didn't have, um, 218 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 1: you didn't have another linebacker, not counting Ulisses Gilbert who 219 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: could run in the same neighborhood as Devon Bush. He's 220 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: different than the other guys you have there. I mean 221 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: not that he's all the greatest trades, but he's somewhere 222 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: between Williams and Bush. Yeah, you know on the spectrum. Uh. 223 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: They then trade up in the fifth round um trading. Yeah, 224 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: I was kind of surprised, but they traded the fourth 225 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: round pick from next season to move up and get 226 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: Isaiah louder Milk. And you know, I know a lot 227 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: of people looked at dense and well he wasn't he 228 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 1: wasn't listed on so and so's draft guide or this guy. 229 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:43,319 Speaker 1: This guy had him as a you know, undrafted free 230 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: agent stuff like that. He's listed at six seven two pounds. 231 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 1: There weren't a lot of bit bodies types like that 232 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 1: And I haven't talked about this much, but that's the 233 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: true old school lebou three for defensive end body type guys. 234 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: They almost all get moved to tackle now, right. You know, 235 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: it's hard to find defenders that fit those dimensions. So 236 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: that's a start. I mean, I bet they were working 237 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: off a short list and they didn't have to project 238 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: here because he had played that defense. Yeah, he had 239 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: played that at Wisconsin. They have a good foundation with 240 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 1: the staff at Wisconsin with Paul christ That to me 241 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: is the key. Yeah. If this was some some school 242 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 1: that there was just Joe Blow, I'd kind of roll 243 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: my eyes at it. And frankly, I think next year's 244 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: fourth round will be a lot better than this year's 245 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,079 Speaker 1: fifth round. I mean, I'm totally guess. I don't know 246 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 1: who's the next year's draft, but it's gonna be a 247 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: deeper draft, you know. But because of that was constant connection. 248 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: I bet that's an acept their sleeve, you know. I mean, 249 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: I bet they knew. So here's the thing. When you 250 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:48,319 Speaker 1: look at to give up what they did the late 251 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: round guys that they've gotten recently, or even the undrafted 252 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: free agent Henry Mondu when you're taking a defensive lineman 253 00:12:55,760 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: in round six or seven. He's not six seven, He's 254 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 1: not he's not a six pounder. He's a six three pounder. 255 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: He's not your ideal prospect at the at the position. 256 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: And I know times have changed, but I even had 257 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:13,679 Speaker 1: this conversation with Kevin way back when, like back when 258 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: they were Lab three four, you know, and the world's 259 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: changed a lot. You'd be six four and a half 260 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: or four or more. You know, we're not even looking 261 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: at you, you know, for that position with long arms. 262 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: And they got that guy. I mean, is he a 263 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: perfect athlete? No. I went back and watched the fair 264 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: amount last night. He's productive. I mean, he's in on 265 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: a lot of plays. Lower bodies, a little stiff, you know, 266 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, but they'll coach him up and 267 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: you know, um again, if he works into the rotation, 268 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: if he's getting ten snaps a game at some point 269 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: this season, if he could spell Heyward, do it while 270 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: he learns that um. In sixth round, they I think 271 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:53,199 Speaker 1: they got what I considered their steel of the draft, 272 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: Quincy Rochet being available in the sixth round. The sixth 273 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 1: round was often where when we were doing our mock drafts. 274 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 1: It was no man where we would take one of 275 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: those best edge rushers available, but it was never Quincy 276 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: Roche being we were always considered him in the fourth 277 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 1: or so. Talk about his role for next year, Maybe 278 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: it's optimistic because he has a six round pick. I mean, 279 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: no matter what we say or what you know, I 280 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: think he's should be the third outside lineback. Yeah. I 281 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: mean I think he'll win that job early and that's 282 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: immense value. Absolutely. I mean I think he gets ten 283 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: to fifteen snaps a game. Yeah, sooner rather than later, 284 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: right right. I mean I don't think there's a lot 285 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: in one plays a lot in special teams, and yeah, 286 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: I think there's a definite role there. And you're talking 287 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: about a six rounder with a defined role. I don't 288 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: know that more louder Milk. The other guys we talk 289 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: about are high quality football players. I know he is. 290 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: I already know that about him is he's really good 291 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: to play. And that's the thing too, is that you 292 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: had to look at here because when you have a 293 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: draft like this where you take Okay Nausea, Harris isn't 294 00:14:55,440 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: playing any special teams. Pat Friarmouth maybe here or there, 295 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: but not a lot. Maybe he's probably field goal team. 296 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: He might be out there on on your kick, on 297 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: your kick return or something like it is one of 298 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: the up game. Kendrick Green No, No, neither one of 299 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: those guys, Dan Moore, no, Buddy Johnson will play special 300 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: teams maybe as well as they went on a team. Yeah, 301 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: and I think he's gonna be a star there. Louder 302 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: Milk No, um so Roche, yes, I mean you you 303 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: had to get some guys that, you know, especially rookies, 304 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: that can can handle that because they're gonna be core 305 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: special teamers. We saw it with t J. Want the 306 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: year he was drafted in the first round as a linebacker. 307 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: He's a starter and he's playing all the special teams. 308 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's the first round pick. These guys 309 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: are gonna play. They're gonna play. Yeah, I mean I 310 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: expect Roche to be active on game day, to be 311 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: getting rotational snaps right off the bat, beyond every special team. 312 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: I mean, by the time you count up his his 313 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: defensive snaps and special team snaps, he's over thirty snaps 314 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: a game. Yeah. Yeah, Yeah, that's a sixth round pick. 315 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: I mean that's one of that's good value. Probably is 316 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: my favorite big pound for round. Uh. In the seventh round, 317 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: then they take Trey Nor with the cornerback safety out 318 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: of Have you got any more inclination? Oklahoma? What they're 319 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: gonna do with him? I mean, I would think he's 320 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: in the he's in the mix to be the nickel. 321 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: He did a lot of that at Oklahoma. Um, I 322 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: mean I thought he'd probably be a nickel corner. But 323 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: a safety is he a corner? You know? They brought 324 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: in a lot of undrafted guys to that our defensive back, 325 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: so they just they threw a lot at the wall. 326 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: That's exactly what it feels like, is starting with him, 327 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: they may find one there. And the guy that the 328 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: the most interesting one there to me was Mark Gilbert. Uh. 329 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: The kid had a duke. He's only played four games 330 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: the last two years, but in two eighteen, uh, he 331 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: played the full season, had five interceptions. N is big 332 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: and can run. Um. His uncle's Sean Gilbert, So there's 333 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: some there's some bloodlines there. Who of course that also 334 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: ties him in with Tay Lawrell Rivers, all those all 335 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: those I'll equipped guys. Yeah, Uh, there's some there's some 336 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:06,719 Speaker 1: pedigree there. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't recognize the name 337 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: off the top of my head, but yeah, I didn't 338 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:10,919 Speaker 1: know that story. And boy, that seems like a Steeler 339 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 1: move all day long. And he had the injury issues 340 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 1: the last two years, um and the strange years obviously. 341 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: So yeah, and you also throw Jakier Brown and there 342 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 1: he was the brand name guy. But I mean defensive, 343 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: we had him in the mix there when you're looking 344 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: at those you know, six seventh round guys, and Shaker 345 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: Brown stood out and they got him anyways, and it 346 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:32,400 Speaker 1: was undrafted guys. I don't know if they have any 347 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: leg down, you know, against the drafted dude either. I mean, 348 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: throw them all in the mix. See who stands out. Yeah, 349 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 1: the seventh rounder doesn't make it. I mean, there's really 350 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 1: not much different, right other than if you get to 351 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:46,199 Speaker 1: pick the guy that you wanted, which leads us to 352 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: the punter in the seventh round, they got the guy 353 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 1: that they wanted. People said, well, I've gotten the question, 354 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: why did they waste to pick on a punter. Well, 355 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 1: they've tried. They've tried to sign punters after the draft 356 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: in previous year, and those guys said, no, I'm gonna 357 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: sign with team b here because they're offering me more money, 358 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: or I have a better situation than I'm going to 359 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 1: where I want to stay in the South, or what 360 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 1: maybe I got a buddy on the team or whatever 361 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:13,959 Speaker 1: the reason is. I don't know much about the Potning 362 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,199 Speaker 1: market and the rookies is here. I know nothing about it. 363 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: I know about this guy because the Steelers drafted him. 364 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: But as a rule of thumb, there's two. It's not 365 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:23,679 Speaker 1: like the center of conversation. There's two or three that 366 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: are one of the best thirty two in the world, 367 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: and people want them as undrafted free agents, and you 368 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: have to compete, and ten teams out there aren't happy 369 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:35,679 Speaker 1: with their putter or would gladly downsize in terms of 370 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: SA Yeah yeah, yea, yeah, So I think it makes 371 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: perfect sense, especially in the draft that wasn't very deep 372 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: the seventh rounders available. I mean, in the seventh round 373 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,120 Speaker 1: with that last pick, they might have taken Shakura Brown. 374 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 1: Probably well they got him anyway, they probably they were probably. 375 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: In fact, that was pretty much announced the Shakia Brown signing. 376 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: Was not even sure the draft was over. It was 377 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: like a second was the second it was over. So 378 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 1: I'm sure when that's seventh. I'm sure they were on 379 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: the phone with him, or at least with his agent 380 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: in the seventh round when they made both of those picks. 381 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: I don't know who his agent is, probably somebody they've 382 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:11,919 Speaker 1: dealt with a lot, and say, hey, look, if we 383 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 1: don't draft him here, we'd like to sign him and 384 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: he'll have a real shot to make the team. He's 385 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 1: got a great shot. Tom we we wanted to draft 386 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: a corner. Didn't work that way. He's we're gonna treat 387 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: him like he's the fourth, fifth round pick, which is 388 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 1: where you saw him. So they got some real value 389 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 1: on day two I thought, yeah, or day three I 390 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: should say, um, you know you they took the lineman 391 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,120 Speaker 1: that everybody wanted them. Hey, gotta go get a lineman, 392 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: gotta get lineman. Yeah they got lineman. Yeah. Of course. 393 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: The other undrafted guys Lamont Wade from Clarton, little undersize 394 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: safety five nine eighties, a little light to play wonder 395 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:51,959 Speaker 1: potentially because he did run a four or four five. Now. 396 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: He wasn't super productive though, but he was. He was 397 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: a five star prospect, remember, but great to bring the 398 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: camps videos At this stage. I did like the the 399 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: offensive or the outside linebackers that they got as well. 400 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: Jamar watch him was a guy that came up on 401 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: our our drafts tons of times. And then Calvin Bundage 402 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: at of Oklahoma State as well. Bundage is more of 403 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: a inside backer. He played outside backer for for Oklahoma State. 404 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 1: But he's uh six one pounds had seven and a 405 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: half sacks so last year. Yeah, so there's some there's 406 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 1: some buzz, there's there's some juice. There a lot of 407 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: defensive guys obviously. Yeah. Uh we mentioned Mark Gilbert. Actually 408 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: I said five interceptions in two thousands seventeen. It was 409 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: six in two thousand seventeen. So I think he makes 410 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 1: his team. The more you think about it, there's a 411 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: good chance. I mean again, bigger guy that can run 412 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: and you know has good hands obviously. Um and you're 413 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: looking at the Rico Bussy um or Bucy. I'm not 414 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: sure much about the two receivers. I've heard, Okay, I 415 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: know much big guy. Saw a lot of people saying, boy, 416 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 1: I thought he was gonna get picked. Um and as 417 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: Isaiah McCoy is the other one out of Kent State, 418 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 1: get their Kent Steak guy. He was very productive actually 419 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,120 Speaker 1: in just four games last year because the Max season 420 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: was kind of weird. Uh five catches for four fifty 421 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: five yards and five touchdowns UM in four games. That's yeah, right, 422 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,919 Speaker 1: that's pretty productive. Uh didn't run real well? It is 423 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 1: it is pro day. I think he was in the 424 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,919 Speaker 1: four sixes. But again he's six to two pounds, so 425 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: a bigger wide receiver. UM that I think it was. 426 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: And I don't know this, but you've talked about it before. 427 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: You know, they signed five guys before the draft, and 428 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: I wonder if they just spent a little more, you 429 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: like how my year with the Browns, I had ten 430 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: tho dollars spent on wide receivers. Like they give you 431 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: a budget and well you can go further for eight 432 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 1: guys and they yeah, they only needed they only needed, 433 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: They only needed eight. So instead of signing the fifteen, 434 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 1: twelve and fifteen that they usually doing, so we can 435 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: we can a lot the same amount of money, but 436 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 1: and you get the receivers. Hey, we had draftable grades 437 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: on you guys. We have an unbelievable history of evaluating receivers. 438 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: We didn't draft anyone. There. We've got two guys who's 439 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 1: about to free agency. A year from now, it's pretty 440 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 1: attractive spot for receivers. Yeah. They also got Florida safety 441 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 1: Donovan Steiner, who is productive is a in the last 442 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: season as well. Um yeah, I mean there were more 443 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 1: name there's more name value in the undrafted the undrafted 444 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: guys and they typically have because it's a smaller pool 445 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,360 Speaker 1: and they got to hand pick them a little bit more. Um. 446 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 1: Usually I kind of not brush it off, but don't 447 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 1: pay a whole lot of attention to who the group is. 448 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: But this is an easier one to de cipher, and 449 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 1: I think people need to be aware of who they are. 450 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 1: Shakier Brown's the obvious named yeah you know, yeah for sure, 451 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: but Gilbert's and that guy I'm gonna be keeping an island. 452 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,120 Speaker 1: Yeah right, there's some You'll be writing some stories about 453 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: him too. There's some upside there for sure. Of course, 454 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,919 Speaker 1: today as well, the Steelers declined to pick up the 455 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 1: fifth year told on that for a second. There's all 456 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: trends I mentioned I think are that stand out with 457 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: this team is first of all, everyone they drafted is 458 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: from a big school, first time in a while that 459 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: they've had a draft from all power conferences. Everybody played 460 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,360 Speaker 1: football last year. The other thing, no one opted out, 461 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 1: you know, I mean they have more information from big 462 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: schools than ever. Tough and physical, it really stood out 463 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: at just about every position, and a lot of versatility 464 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: to a lot of these guys can do more than 465 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: one thing, play more than one position, well rounded and 466 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 1: don't need to come off the field. And I think 467 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: that there are more so than some other Steeler drafts. 468 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: I bet there's a lot of rookie snaps next year. 469 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of opportunity for early playing time. 470 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: Obviously the first pick in the last pick to go 471 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: without saying the hunter wins a job, but there's a 472 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: lot of chances that this is the highest rookie number 473 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: of snaps that the team gets. It wouldn't surprise me 474 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 1: at all if Friar Mouve out snaps Hebron this year. 475 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: I can see it just be I mean, you know, Hebron. 476 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: Let's say you got a thousand um and then it 477 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: made more than that this year because of the seventeen games. 478 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 1: But let's say so, let's say it's offensive snaps. They're 479 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 1: gonna play something together. But it wouldn't surprise me if 480 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 1: Farrenmouth ends up with seven hundred snaps and Hebron's at 481 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: five wouldn't either, especially if you mean especially late in 482 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: the season. If he continues to get better and better 483 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: and better. I mean, I don't. I think some people 484 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: look at him as a backup, which I think is wrong. 485 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: I think he's a different not different style, but somewhat 486 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: different style. I mean, I think there'll be a lot 487 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,439 Speaker 1: of snaps when one tight end on the field, and 488 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: it's not always gonna be Bron being that guy, right, agree, 489 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: because Farrenmouth gives you a lot of the same matchup issues, right, 490 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,719 Speaker 1: And he's more physical, and you know he will line up. 491 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: He probably doesn't run quite as well as he run, 492 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: but Hebron doesn't run quite as well as he did 493 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: when he came into the league. That's he's the top 494 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 1: ten pick in the league for a reason. Oh yeah, Yeah, 495 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: he had a great forty and those two so I 496 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 1: think they'll play a lot together. I think he'll be 497 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 1: the single tight end quite a bit too. Yeah, I agree. 498 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 1: As I mentioned, moving on to the draft from a 499 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: few years ago, through all Edmonds fifth year option not 500 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: picked up, that would have been six point seven five 501 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: million dollars. It's a lot of money. UM. I looked 502 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,199 Speaker 1: at it as well. I mean that's kind of the 503 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: going rate. Uh if for a starting safety it isn't 504 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,919 Speaker 1: it isn't. Um, it might be more of a you know, 505 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 1: a high end safety. They're gonna have to be negotiating 506 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 1: with makeing Itzpatrick here soon as well, with on a 507 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: new deal. Not this year, but you know after next year. Um. 508 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: And you may they may have looked at that and said, 509 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: you know, if we're gonna pay minca Ten twelve million 510 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 1: dollars a year, which would probably be the going rate 511 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: for making patricks, can you afford them to pay through 512 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: all Edmunds six point seven five? Because that's going to 513 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: be if we if we give him that fifty your option, 514 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,919 Speaker 1: that's the jumping off. That's where the negotiations begin at. 515 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:08,439 Speaker 1: It really is. Yeah, So you don't give it to 516 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 1: him and then the agent can't come back and say, well, 517 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,399 Speaker 1: you gave him six point seven five last year, so 518 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 1: that's what that's where we want to start at. Now 519 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 1: you can start those negotiations. Hey, how about five that's 520 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 1: what's gonna say. Like if I were them right now, 521 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: I might go to the agent and say, how about 522 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: two years for nine million right now. I mean if 523 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,360 Speaker 1: I were him, I'd strongly consider it with a decent bonus, 524 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,199 Speaker 1: a chunk of that guaranteed or a majority of a guaranteed, 525 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,119 Speaker 1: give him for two more years, um, and you just 526 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: sell it to him with what I just said. Hey, 527 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 1: look we gotta pay Manka, we gotta pay t J. 528 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: You're obviously third in that pecking order, and we like 529 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: to a lot in your decent money to your deal. 530 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 1: You know, a lot of job security. You just saw 531 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: Sean Davis, uh, you know wash out as a second 532 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: he started, he started next to you there for a 533 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 1: year and what happened with him? So you start bouncing 534 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: on the league. You don't know how it's gonna work. 535 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 1: What's your value on the open market? What's the cap 536 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: gonna look like? You know, yeah, we got some money 537 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: right now? All right? You on ten over two? Okay? Yeah. 538 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: What it doesn't mean to me is that, you know, 539 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 1: people are automatically jumping on see this was a bad 540 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 1: pick that he they didn't pick up his option. They 541 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: think he stinks. That's not the case. I think that's 542 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: the case. I mean, if MINCA didn't exist, or if 543 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,199 Speaker 1: they just had Joe average free safety there maybe they 544 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: had picked it up or this story is not done 545 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: yet either. No, this is just is just a chapter 546 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 1: in the book that you know, we're gonna continue to 547 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 1: look at here. Um, the whole league had to make 548 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: those decisions. Today was the deadline, it was the third 549 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 1: so a lot of different guys from that first round 550 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,159 Speaker 1: did or did not get there, their options picked up. 551 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 1: I didn't want to talk about that, but we'll do 552 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 1: that in the next segment. Not a lot of surprises, 553 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 1: but it is interesting how the how the league thinks 554 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: and how that draft class looks. Now, you know, draft 555 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 1: grades are so stupid, but we could grade that draft now, Yeah, 556 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: they tell you a lot, but that's gonna do it 557 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: for this segment of the Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. 558 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 1: So for my partner Matt Williamson, for Jacob right here 559 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 1: on site keeping us on the air, I'm Dale Lolly. 560 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: We thank you for listening to the Drive on Steelers 561 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: Nation Radio.