WEBVTT - Finally! A Show About a Healthcare Provider with the Satanic Temple 0:00:02.200 --> 0:00:04.480 So it's around six point thirty and I'm just getting 0:00:04.519 --> 0:00:06.960 ready to start my day. I'm going to have two 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:10.479 very excited dogs who are ready to go outside and 0:00:10.560 --> 0:00:13.039 see what other kind of animals may have come through 0:00:13.039 --> 0:00:17.720 our property overnight. Anything from something big like bears and elk, 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:20.840 to something small like a fox or even a squirrel. 0:00:21.680 --> 0:00:23.439 This morning, I'm going to go ahead and text my 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:25.400 son and just tell them to have a great day. 0:00:26.079 --> 0:00:28.200 About the time the dogs come back in, I know 0:00:28.240 --> 0:00:30.000 that my daughter's going to give me a call. I'm 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:33.000 really lucky that she calls me every morning on our 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:35.680 way to work. And as soon as all that's done, 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:38.200 then I'm going to jump in and start working and 0:00:38.640 --> 0:00:46.400 see what the day brings. This is finally a show 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:50.160 about an abortion provider for over twenty five years. Jamie 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:53.200 Rich is a nurse with the Satanic Temple's first ever 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:54.760 telehealth abortion clinic. 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:02.560 My name is Jamie. 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:06.360 I am an OBGYN nurse practitioner. I'm lucky enough that 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:10.919 I get to work from home in northwestern Colorado and 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:16.480 I provide telehealth services to people in New Mexico. I 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:19.000 can remember at four or five someone asking me what 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:21.080 do you want to be when you grow up. And 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:23.480 my answer has always been I want to be a nurse. 0:01:23.520 --> 0:01:26.640 It never changed, it never wavered. I never wanted to 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:28.679 be a doctor. I feel like the philosophy of care 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:31.360 is just a little bit different. Nursing looks more at 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:35.000 the holistic patient, not just oh, the person who has 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:38.120 a breast slump or the person who needs surgery. But 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:41.000 there are many other layers to a person, from their 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:45.720 mental health, to their socioeconomics, to possibly their religious or 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:48.560 spiritual beliefs, what's going on in the home that is 0:01:48.640 --> 0:01:51.280 impacting the way that they're able to take care of themselves, 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:53.800 and so on, and so different philosophy of care that 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:56.440 just worked better with my beliefs and how I wanted 0:01:56.440 --> 0:01:59.320 to take care of people. I grew up in kind 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:03.560 of a conservativeative family. My dad was Catholic, my mom 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:06.080 was not Catholic, but was pretty religious. And you know, 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:09.080 like birth control and premarital sex, you don't talk about 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:11.440 that because that doesn't happen until you're older and married, 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:13.839 and you don't worry about that. And so I think 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:16.440 a little bit was that normal kind of teenage rebellion. 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:18.120 I'm going to figure out who I am. I'm going 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:20.680 to figure out what my beliefs are and where I 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:23.120 want to go and what I want to do. And 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:24.800 to my parents' credit, they were like, you know what, 0:02:24.840 --> 0:02:26.200 if that's what you want to do, that's what you 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:29.640 want to do, that is great. And so my husband, 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:31.840 right when I graduated from college, we got married, we 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:34.680 were still married, was a photojournalist. He stayed here in 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:37.919 Colorado and I went to Los Angeles, moved up here 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:40.840 to where I am now, and started working for Planned Parenthood. 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:46.240 The community is supportive, or if they're not supportive, then 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:50.160 it's basically whatever you know, don't you do what you 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:52.079 want to do. I'm not going to interfere, but I'm 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:54.679 not going to support it either. So I left Plant 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:57.520 Parenthood a little over a year ago. Before I left 0:02:57.560 --> 0:03:00.000 Planned Parenthood, though, I had been approached by some folks 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:03.720 who were starting TST Health, which is the telehealth that 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:07.680 I'm working for now, to provide abortion services to folks 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:12.600 in New Mexico. TST Health is the Satanic Temple Health, 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:17.799 which then provides the care to the Samuel Alito's Mother's 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:18.640 abortion clinic. 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:25.320 So get your abortion today in the name of Samuel 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:26.560 Alito's Mom. 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:29.800 You can find out more on our website. And you know, 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:33.920 Alito obviously on the Supreme Court definitely not pro choice, 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:40.320 definitely very conservative, has voted against religious and reproductive rights. 0:03:41.000 --> 0:03:44.040 And I think it is intentionally a little bit provocative 0:03:44.080 --> 0:03:46.760 to get people talking about it and to get people 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:51.600 to hopefully do some research, find out what is and 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:54.680 what it isn't, and be able to make decisions again 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:58.400 based on facts. The telehealth laws with the New Mexico 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:03.520 are a little easier to manage. New Mexico was kind 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:06.720 of a safe haven. You know, they're surrounded by Arizona 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:09.360 and Texas and pretty close to Oklahoma and all of 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:13.520 those states that are not friendly to women or abortion services, 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:17.159 and so New Mexico kind of made sense in terms 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:21.279 of where we could provide services and hopefully get some 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:24.960 people who didn't have any other option to get into 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:28.880 New Mexico to be able to access care. There's been 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:32.359 a few articles in the paper against having abortion services 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:35.880 and against TST health, but that also tells people where 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:39.839 to access care as well. New Mexico, where we're providing service, 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:43.000 does not have abortion restrictions, and so we're not fighting 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:46.440 that fight here. But the Satanic Temple is in process 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:50.640 of legally trying to get care provided in some other 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:54.800 states where it is not so friendly. So TST Health 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:58.560 is a component of TST, which is the Satanic Temple. 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:00.839 At this point, it's a start, it's less than a 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:03.240 year old. We actually have only been seeing patients since 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:06.039 February of twenty twenty three. 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:07.040 In some of these. 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:10.039 States that are very unfriendly or who have essentially banned abortion, 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:14.400 they are using religion, especially Christianity religion to state that 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:18.080 this is something that goes against God and should not happen. 0:05:18.480 --> 0:05:21.720 And so what TST the Satanic Temple is doing is saying, 0:05:21.720 --> 0:05:24.080 you know that this is these are our religious tenets 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:27.960 and our religious beliefs, and by you restricting or outright 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:31.960 banning abortion, is that you are infringing upon my religious convictions. 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:37.680 The mission of the Satanic Temple is to encourage benevolence 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:42.679 and empathy, you know, to really advocate for practical, common sense, 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:47.400 factual based information really really important for this group. They 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:50.880 oppose injustice like taking away rights for women who want 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:54.000 to have abortion as part of their healthcare, trans rights, 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:57.520 LGBTQ rights, those kind of things, and so that's really 0:05:57.560 --> 0:06:01.159 the overarching kind of mission, statement of the Satanic Temple, 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:04.440 and making sure that decisions that are being made, whether 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:07.880 that's at a local government level or at the upper 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:11.320 levels of the United States government, that those decisions are 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:13.680 based on facts and based on science and not based 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:17.479 on a religion that is not based in science or 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:21.000 based in facts, and is you know, and excludes certain 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:26.520 people because for whatever reason. The fundamental tenets of the 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:29.479 Satanic Temples, so there are seven of them. The ones 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:32.280 that we tend to use the most for an abortion 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:35.159 ritual or for folks who are interested in having some 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:39.000 type of a ritual with their procedure is that one's 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:43.640 body is inviolable, subject to one's own will alone, bodily autonomy, 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:46.760 beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. So, 0:06:46.800 --> 0:06:49.520 in other words, we are providing care that is based 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:54.200 on the best practices, on scientific evidence on twenty five 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:56.920 plus years in the United States more than that in 0:06:56.960 --> 0:07:00.360 other countries, on how this is safe and effective. So 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:03.440 those are the two that we tend to use the most. 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:06.560 The tenants also talk a little bit about compassion and 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:11.320 empathy towards people, trying to understand people, not judging struggle 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:15.000 for justice, you know, and not having certain groups marginalized. 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:18.120 Freedom of others should be respected. In other words, I 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:21.920 may believe this, you may believe that doesn't make one 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:24.160 of us more right on the other person wrong or 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:26.120 anything like that, but that you know, as people, we 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:28.520 all have different beliefs and different views, and that that 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:32.880 should be celebrated. We talked about people are fallible. You know, 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:35.640 if you make a mistake, then you should once you 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:40.120 recognize that, own up to your mistakes, move forward, try 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:42.040 not to do that again again, you know, get the 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:44.040 information that you need to be able to move forward 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:47.040 and make better decisions. And then the last one just 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:50.240 talks about all of these tenets are used kind of 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:53.600 as an overarching principle. It's as to inspire nobility and 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:55.920 action and thought. And I think that that's really great 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:59.880 way of saying that to be compassionate and to continue 0:07:59.880 --> 0:08:02.960 to learn and to continue to grow, and to continue 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:07.480 to help provide justice to those groups that may be marginalized, 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:10.440 that we should be looking at the written and spoken 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:14.080 word and using all of these tenets to be kinder, 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:17.440 gentler and learn more and continue to move forward in 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:23.360 this world. Some people are actually member active ongoing members 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:26.360 of the Satanic Temple, or they have a friend who 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:30.080 is who tells them about it. There are so many 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:33.280 things that the Satanic Temple does. It's a group of 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:35.800 folks who believe in facts, and believe in science, and 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:40.880 believe in bodily autonomy, who are getting together and trying 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:44.120 to make a difference in their communities. I think when 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:47.440 when people hear the Satanic Temple, they're thinking, oh my gosh, 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:50.120 they're worshiping Satan. I tell you you really cannot make 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:50.880 this stuff up. 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:56.240 This group pledges to provide quote religious medication, abortion care, 0:08:56.800 --> 0:09:00.240 and not how they identify themselves as not believe in 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:04.240 a literal Satan, but when you associate yourself with Satan 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:07.200 at all, Satan is the father of lies, So how 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:10.000 are we supposed to believe that that's even true? Gather 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:15.920 together to stand as one unified voice against this demonic 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:18.640 spirit that is trying to invade. 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:21.640 Our petitioning for access to abortion, and what they say 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:25.240 is to quote, continue performing voluntary abortions as part of 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:29.760 its religious rituals. And to me, that is a huge ordeal. 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:33.480 You know that they're sacrificing and all of these horrible 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:35.800 things that you hear about with Satan worship, and that's 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:38.320 not what this is at all. I mean, I think 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:42.080 some people probably would be concerned with the name the 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:45.400 Satanic Temple, although this health clinic part of it is 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:48.200 TST Health, which I think sometimes people don't know what 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:51.200 it is until they've actually gotten into the paperwork. But 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:53.400 once they get in the paperwork, I think they realize that, 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:56.800 you know, this is a really professional organization. We are 0:09:57.080 --> 0:10:00.559 dedicated to providing the highest standard of care that you know, 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:03.679 everything that we're asking is very clear and has a 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:06.800 purpose and is very medically focused. They can always ask 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:10.440 as many questions as they'd like to about our training 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:12.920 and you know how everything got started, and you know 0:10:12.960 --> 0:10:15.800 what we're doing for quality control. And I haven't had 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:18.600 anybody who made an appointment who has said this is 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:21.720 kind of strange or whatever. It's mainly thanks so much 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:24.200 for being available. This is you know, you made this 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:26.120 much easier for me and I can do this on 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:30.880 my own time, and it's been a great service. I 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:33.800 have a daughter and a son. My daughter is a 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:36.959 high school English teacher, also in a small town in Colorado. 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:41.280 So this is really funny. Actually it's a funny story. 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:44.000 So my daughter was in college and she did a 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:48.800 semester abroad, and it was the semester you know that. 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:52.360 It was during the time when Trump got elected, and 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:55.000 I can remember a few days before the election, I 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:58.040 said to her, if Trump gets elected, you're going to 0:10:58.080 --> 0:11:01.240 have to stay where you are, and she's like, okay, 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:03.000 and kind of laughed it off. And then of course 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:05.320 he got elected, and so she called me and she 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:07.959 was crying and she's like, I can't believe this happened. 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:08.280 One. 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:10.000 I don't want to stay here. I really want to 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:14.000 come home. And I'm part of the Satanic Temple too. 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:16.320 I joined because, you know, I just I just thought 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:17.800 it was a good thing to do. And I'm like, well, 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:20.240 good for you. That's great. I don't know anything about it, 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:21.960 but you know, that's wonderful. 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:22.439 What are you doing? 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:24.319 She goes, I don't really do anything because there's nothing 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:26.320 here that I can do with them, but I just 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:28.040 wanted to do that as a protest. I was like, 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:32.640 that's great, that's fine. I think it's really funny. When 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:34.960 she was in middle school, the school approached me and 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:37.720 asked if I would teach their sex ed class, and 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:40.160 I was like, sure, absolutely, And so my daughter actually 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:42.240 sat down and did all the flashcards and all of 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:44.760 the handouts for the sex said class for her middle 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:48.280 school class. And then my son I also did his 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:50.800 sex said class and he was great with it, and 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:54.439 you know, made sure he participated to make his friends participate. 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:57.440 You would look at him and just you know, make 0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:02.240 a judgment of looks pretty concernedative. You know, he's kind 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:06.920 of a I don't know, like a cowboy kind of rancher, 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:10.280 mechanic kind of looking kid, and that's that's what he 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:11.559 does for his full time work. 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:15.800 But he's probably the most liberal of all of us. 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:20.960 There were a few times that it was probably uncomfortable 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:22.960 for them, you know, that they had friends or family 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:25.600 who weren't real keen. You know, it was not a 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:28.360 secret where I worked and what I did that weren't 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:31.520 too keen on that, but they they handled it well. 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:37.960 Funny story, I was going into work and I had 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:40.880 my daughter with me, who at the time was in college, 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:43.440 so she wasn't little. But even then we have talked 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:47.359 about this from the get go with both both my children. 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:48.679 But my daughter was. 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:51.240 With me and the protester yelled that the angel of 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:53.760 death was behind me and that my daughter was going 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:56.640 to suffer because of it, and it just we both 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:58.480 looked at each other, my daughter and I and we 0:12:58.520 --> 0:12:59.439 both walked in chase. 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:01.480 You know, we not engage with people like that. 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:05.360 And we both walked in and we said, good, we 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:07.160 are going to you know, She's like, Mom, You're going 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:09.080 to continue doing what you do and I'm like, yes, 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:12.000 i am. She goes me too, you know, I'm going 0:13:12.080 --> 0:13:15.359 to continue to be you know, outspoken and an advocate 0:13:15.440 --> 0:13:21.520 for whoever needs me with this work. I was just thinking, 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:24.319 you know, I know that people who are our anti 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:27.040 choice really do say, you know, how do you live 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:30.679 with yourself? How can you do this? And I guess 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:32.520 my response to that is how can I not? 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:32.920 This? 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:36.920 Again, is essential health care. This is providing a very 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:41.520 safe service to folks who need it for whatever the 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:45.440 reason is, and again, no different than anything else. And 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:48.040 so I couldn't live with myself if I didn't provide 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:50.480 the care that I feel is appropriate and necessary for 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:54.760 the people I see. TST Health is not a temple 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:57.800 or a gathering place for folks who have the beliefs 0:13:57.800 --> 0:14:02.400 of the Satanic temple. However, we do incorporate those tenants 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:04.640 with the patients that we see to whatever extent that 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:07.439 they would like to go through any type of a 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:12.240 ritual with their abortion care. I'm going to read what 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:15.800 the TST Health site says about the abortion ritual so 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:18.760 it serves as a protective right. Its purpose is to 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:21.840 cast off unwanted feelings that a patient may be experiencing 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:24.280 due to choosing to have a legal and medically safe abortion. 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:28.080 The ritual is designed to alleviate stressors and empower the 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:30.640 patient to be guided by the Satanic Temple's third and 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:34.400 fifth tenants when pursuing their decision. The ritual serves to 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:36.840 assist in affirming their decision and to ward off the 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:39.840 effects of unjust persecution which can cause one to stray 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:43.000 from the paths of scientific reasoning and free will. And 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:45.840 those third and fifth tenants. One of those is bodily autonomy. 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:48.200 The other, the fifth one is talks about the scientific 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:52.520 and best practices and utilizing the best knowledge that we 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:56.200 have or care. Some folks want to participate in some 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:58.960 type of a ritual, even if it's I have chosen 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:00.600 to do this. This is right for me, this is 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:02.480 right for my body. I am firm and clear in 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:04.720 my decision. It could be as simple as that, which 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:07.160 we do want everyone to be able to verbalize to 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:10.360 us that this is their decision that they want, that 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:13.040 they're not being coerced in any way. Or it could 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:15.360 be that they may actually take one of the seven 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:18.960 tenants from the Satanic Temple and actually say those out 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:21.240 loud prior to taking their medication or when they take 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:28.480 their medication. So the patient that we're seeing today, we 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:31.360 ask if she would be willing to come onto the 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:34.640 podcast just so that everyone can kind of hear the process, 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:37.760 the consent process, how we explain everything to the patient, 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:40.480 my part of the visit, the provider part of the visit, 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:42.840 and she said that she's more than willing to do that. 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:47.520 So we just got a message from our support person 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:50.560 just that the patient has joined and so we are 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:54.720 going to join the call as well. 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:55.840 It's a video call. 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:00.880 Perfect get started. 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:03.360 I'll just tell you a little bit about me, so Jessica, 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:06.520 I will be going over the process with you in 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:09.120 a little bit about the medications, what to expect and 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:11.760 all of that. I do go over quite a bit 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:13.720 of information, so I at any point you need me 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:18.720 to stop or repeat myself, just let me know and 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:21.160 the medical isms. 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:24.280 That you filed out. The way the telehealth works is 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:27.680 that they can fill out the paperwork online. Wherever they 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:29.000 are doesn't matter. 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:30.560 We get it, no big deal. 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:34.120 When they do their telehealth visit with me, which is 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:36.280 a video visit kind of face to face, we each 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:38.240 get to see each other and talk to each other 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:40.600 and you know, hopefully get a little bit of a connection. 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:44.040 They need to physically be in New Mexico, whether that's 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:48.480 one foot over the line from Texas or wherever. They 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:52.200 just have to physically be in New Mexico. Some patients 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:54.680 really stick in your mind because they had to travel 0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:57.440 two thousand miles and you know, they had to get childcare. 0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:01.160 And many of them have traveled, but a lot of 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:03.760 them we have seen have actually been in New Mexico 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:06.560 and they're in small, little towns. The reason I was 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:10.480 really excited to work with TST Health is that through 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:15.280 their membership and through donors, the only cost to the 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:18.160 patients who are accessing is the cost of the medication, 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:22.040 which is about eighty dollars. Other places, it's anywhere from 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:26.400 six hundred to twelve hundred dollars for a medication abortion. 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:31.160 And so especially for folks who maybe need to travel, 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:34.280 folks who are in some of these really tiny towns 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:39.000 in New Mexico that socioeconomically are not stellar, this is 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:43.600 a really affordable, great way to access abortion care if 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:44.720 they need that service. 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:47.399 Medication, and we send you to pregnancy tests. 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:49.240 So the first. 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:52.159 Medication that you will be taking, it's called if a 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:53.480 persona is just one pill. 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:59.919 I think we lost her. Hey, Jess, I think we will. 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:06.080 I think we did. There you go. Can you hear me? Yeah, 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:06.679 I can hear you. 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:16.240 Okay, perfect, thank you technology? Alrighty, So so that you take. 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:20.760 So medication abortion is safe and effective for someone who 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:25.359 is eleven weeks pregnant or less, someone who maybe had 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:29.119 a wanted pregnancy and for whatever reason, it's not a 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:31.919 normal pregnancy. We don't tend to find that out until 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:36.000 you know, sometimes fifteen, sixteen, even twenty weeks into pregnancy. 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:39.440 And so that the person who's in that situation would 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:41.879 have to have a surgical or an in office abortion 0:18:42.000 --> 0:18:48.080 procedure determinate a pregnancy that is abnormal. The prescriptions for 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:50.639 the abortion pill and for the other medications that we 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:55.200 prescribe along with that go through a mail order pharmacy, 0:18:55.480 --> 0:18:57.919 and so if they're in New Mexico, it can come 0:18:57.960 --> 0:18:59.720 to their house, it can go to a PO box, 0:18:59.720 --> 0:19:00.080 it can go. 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:01.159 Wherever they needed to do. 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:04.400 If they don't live in New Mexico, they can either 0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:07.159 wait for that package because we can overnight it, or 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:10.800 they can do mail forwarding from a physical address and 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:14.840 then it'll forward it to their home. The reason that 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:17.959 we do the mail order is that most pharmacies do 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:22.000 not carry the medications for medication abortion. There are two 0:19:22.040 --> 0:19:26.120 main medications. One is called mifipristone are you for eighty six? 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:29.000 The French abortion pill. Those are all names that have 0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:32.960 been used, and when it was first approved for use 0:19:32.960 --> 0:19:35.359 in the United States back in two thousand and one, 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:39.960 there were some very strict guidelines in that as a provider, 0:19:40.119 --> 0:19:42.879 I had to contract with the manufacturer. They had to 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:44.960 verify that I really knew what I was doing and 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:47.639 that I knew how to prescribe it, knew how to 0:19:47.720 --> 0:19:49.520 take care of it, and I gave the patient all 0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:51.480 the right stuff and I could take care of them. 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:54.199 And as we have found, you know, because it was 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:57.720 it had been legal in European Union for much longer 0:19:57.720 --> 0:19:58.440 than that, we. 0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:00.800 Had all their safety data, we had all this. 0:20:00.800 --> 0:20:03.720 Data from the United States as well, and we realized, wow, 0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:06.280 it is pretty safe. And so even though I'm still 0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:10.480 contracted with the manufacturer to say that I can prescribe it, 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:15.960 most pharmacies do not carry it. It's crazy that. Yeah, 0:20:16.160 --> 0:20:18.760 it's just crazy to have to jump through all these 0:20:18.800 --> 0:20:22.679 hoops for a medication that is super safe and should 0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:25.640 be available when someone needs it. You kind of want 0:20:25.680 --> 0:20:29.439 to be like, why can't you understand how important this is? 0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:33.160 And just because you don't believe in it doesn't mean 0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:36.560 you should take that access away from someone else. You know, 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:39.200 I may not believe in I don't know having a 0:20:39.280 --> 0:20:41.160 root canal, but I would never take that away from 0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:47.199 someone else. It just astounds me that still in this 0:20:47.280 --> 0:20:50.600 day and age, we are taking things away from a 0:20:50.600 --> 0:20:54.760 certain group of people, whether that's you know, people of color, 0:20:54.880 --> 0:20:58.080 whether that's people who you know are assigned female at 0:20:58.080 --> 0:21:00.520 birth who can get pregnant and we're taking their abortion 0:21:00.560 --> 0:21:03.479 access or their birth control access or whatever it is. 0:21:03.680 --> 0:21:08.520 It's just I'm kind of dumbfounded by it all. I 0:21:08.600 --> 0:21:10.760 try not to get in arguments about it because I 0:21:10.760 --> 0:21:13.760 feel like if someone is that has those beliefs so 0:21:14.000 --> 0:21:17.240 entrenched that they're not willing to listen. Just like I'm 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:20.040 willing to listen as long as what you're telling me 0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:25.919 is factual and again based on not just feelings but 0:21:26.000 --> 0:21:29.320 on actual facts and what's going on, I'm willing to listen. 0:21:29.400 --> 0:21:34.040 But if someone is so entrenched in it's wrong because 0:21:34.080 --> 0:21:36.680