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Speaker 2: Chuck Norris was chasing the Tyrannosaurus Rex. The rex was

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Speaker 2: not chasing the jeep. Murray Murry, you there. You love sandwiches. Huh,

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Speaker 2: Let's go to eighty It wow that Prime Time. Maybe

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Speaker 4: He caught them the game last night, although they won

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Speaker 4: the game. You're listening to too Gods in Company.

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Speaker 3: It is two Gods and Company presented by FanDuel and

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Speaker 3: the FanDuel Sportsbook.

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Speaker 4: Mikey A. Taylor busy all on zoom with me. T

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Speaker 4: Bob gonna join us an hour number two.

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Speaker 3: We'll have the Weekken Observations on a Wednesday, of course

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Speaker 3: for Tea Bob looking forward to that.

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Speaker 4: Taylor has an idea for baseball.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it's to save baseball, but he

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Speaker 3: our radio show we'll be back on radio later today

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Speaker 3: that I would like to start with before we get

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Speaker 3: with JJ Reddick and Luca who's never gonna win a title.

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Speaker 4: But we have some sound from the radio show here.

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Speaker 3: Now, we had Taylor on Martin Luther king Day, say

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Speaker 6: Why why I'm only I'm only now hearing the come

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Speaker 1: He just got dumped.

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Speaker 5: A tough one.

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Speaker 1: Did you not hear that on radium?

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Speaker 6: Because the the extended s on the ships like made

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Speaker 4: How do you? I?

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Speaker 4: Okay, you made the mistake. You're well aware of the mistake.

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Speaker 1: Guys said bad things. I got dumped.

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Speaker 9: Does the Flugenstein kick your ass? Put it on the pole?

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Speaker 3: You fought the Flugenstein and the Flugenstein one.

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Speaker 5: I believe that is the entire premise of the Arrested Development.

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Speaker 4: I never watched Arrested Development. Good show.

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Speaker 5: It's only the best comedy show ever, I.

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Speaker 5: That's why I got canceled.

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Speaker 7: There's actually a line in it, please tell your show

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Speaker 4: I thought you were gonna say shit again almost for Mikey.

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Speaker 3: But I feel better now because I'm off there, You're

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Speaker 9: Who's gonna get Who's gonna get me off?

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Speaker 6: It's It's interesting because his mistake was a common curse

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Speaker 4: Thanks smy come black, be your day.

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Speaker 8: To be fair to Steve Gotts. When Stu Gotts had

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Speaker 3: Yes, the whitest team in the history of college basketball.

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Speaker 4: I believe Sycamores.

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Speaker 6: there was a whole movie about that, speakable. Does he

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Speaker 3: To gamble right now, Mike, you and who's gonna get

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Speaker 4: Taylor put it on the pole.

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Speaker 3: You could say it and everyone just moves on with

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Speaker 4: Get the fuck out of here. You didn't say that?

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Speaker 1: What is wrong with you? You keep saying? Dare you?

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Speaker 5: I will say I take the blame for that. I

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Speaker 4: By the way, guys, happy March. We're here, March. It's arrived.

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Speaker 4: I miss March. I love March.

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Speaker 3: Is he the basketball starting to heat up? College basketball MBA.

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Speaker 5: Well, first, see, I feel like you and Ish.

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Speaker 5: So I was thinking about SPO for a couple of reasons.

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Speaker 5: Know, tell you, hey, this is better for the team.

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Speaker 6: Is better for us, better for you, whatever, and so

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Speaker 6: they had enough of that, right, The pressure created that, Yes,

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Speaker 4: The talent helped though the talent.

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Speaker 6: and crazy is that the players like khalel Ware aren't

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Speaker 5: To win out here?

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Speaker 6: You haven't even played at this level, right, So you

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Speaker 5: Jimmy would go right just to mess with the coach.

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Speaker 6: Just at this point, they'd be at a spot where

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Speaker 6: Yes, Eudonis has them, can't save them because he's not

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: Crazy who's on the floor has the ball in his

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Speaker 6: You don't have the Eudonnas has them Jimmy Butler on

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Speaker 5: So you're left with players feel like they're.

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Speaker 6: He's out of options, right because he's out of options

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Speaker 6: He did it some with Hassan Whiteside, which was necessary,

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Speaker 6: He can't be out there on the floor. That's why

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Speaker 6: he's pulling his hair out. That's why he's making these faces.

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Speaker 6: It drives him crazy because there's nobody else to match

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Speaker 3: And the care that you're talking about can show itself

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Speaker 6: his guys. But Spoe is also an innovator, like spoken

445
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Speaker 6: to all that stuff and innovate, like the coaching change

446
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:43,359
Speaker 6: or the offensive change that they made this year, completely

447
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,119
Speaker 6: different with a good amount of the same players, completely

448
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,640
Speaker 6: different than what they've been doing before, even go back

449
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 6: to the Lebron James Dwayne Wade years, like they needed

450
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Speaker 6: some level of switch, They needed some innovation to happen,

451
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 6: and some of that was because of Chris Bosh. Some

452
00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,359
Speaker 6: of that was because of Dwayne Wade, but he made

453
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Speaker 6: it work. So I think the Miami Heat, based on

454
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Speaker 6: what I'm saying, would rather be, would rather say to themselves, Oh,

455
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 6: we can just get another player that either has that

456
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,640
Speaker 6: level of you know, Heat culture crazy, or we can

457
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 6: get a player that automatically raised the stakes and it's

458
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 6: just like, hey, guys, if you don't listen to me,

459
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Speaker 6: you're going to fall flat on your head.

460
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Speaker 5: Trust me.

461
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Speaker 6: I know I've done this before. So I don't think

462
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,440
Speaker 6: it needs a new voice. I think you just need

463
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Speaker 6: to recreate the formula.

464
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Speaker 3: The Heat have had that player, maybe more so than

465
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Speaker 3: any other organization in the NBA that is in lockstep

466
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Speaker 3: with its coach for so long. It was Alonzo Morning

467
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Speaker 3: with Riley, it was Zoe a little bit with Spolstra,

468
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Speaker 3: Eudonnis Haslam with both Riley and Spolstra. Then it was Wade,

469
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Speaker 3: then it was Lebron, then it was Chris Bosh and so.

470
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Speaker 5: Lebron took him. What's that Lebron took a year, but

471
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Speaker 5: he eventually was yet.

472
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Speaker 3: Well, listen, I think the best thing that happened to

473
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Speaker 3: that team was them losing the first NBA Championship when

474
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Speaker 3: they lost to the Mavericks, because you know, it became

475
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,400
Speaker 3: abundantly clear that hey, this isn't going to.

476
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Speaker 4: Be that easy. The Horball Lamar stuff. So there's two

477
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 4: ways Izzy.

478
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Speaker 3: The stars could just leave your team and you suddenly

479
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:11,880
Speaker 3: don't have anyone who has your back and is setting

480
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,679
Speaker 3: an example. Or in the case of John Horbon and

481
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 3: the Baltimore Ravens, that superstar has your bat, but then

482
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 3: he's not seeing the results that he wants to see,

483
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 3: and suddenly he no longer has your back, and you

484
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 3: know who leaves the coach, not the quarterback.

485
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Speaker 4: Right.

486
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Speaker 6: It's funny that you mentioned that Dallas series because what

487
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 6: was that team that he team missing?

488
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Speaker 5: It was missing all out Lebron.

489
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Speaker 6: He was too calculated, he was too trying to figure

490
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Speaker 6: things out. No, dude, that's when you needed to go nutty.

491
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 6: That's when you needed to just go absolute primal, which

492
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Speaker 6: is what Dwayne did. Who would have won MVP of

493
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Speaker 6: that series. Had they won it.

494
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Speaker 5: Lebron was sitting there calculated, now that point that other

495
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 5: team is super good.

496
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Speaker 6: You need to just put on the just the best

497
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,880
Speaker 6: amount of crazy that you could put in there and

498
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Speaker 6: just go all out, and he just wasn't doing it.

499
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Speaker 3: Yep, you remember that title. Though we thought we had

500
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 3: it locked up. We I mean, listen, we were the

501
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 3: flagship station of the Heat. No listen, I negotiated the

502
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 3: deal to get the Heats right, So I was part

503
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,919
Speaker 3: of the team. I was, and I also had season

504
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Speaker 3: tickets Section one eighteen about that sold that I was.

505
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Speaker 6: Still with Harold while they were still you know, having

506
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Speaker 6: columnists travel to events.

507
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Speaker 3: But you remember they were shadow boxing like Game two

508
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 3: at home, Wade and Lebron in the corner thought the

509
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 3: series was over. And I did think right that moment,

510
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 3: and so did they, that they were not gonna win

511
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 3: just one. They were gonna win two, three, four, five, six,

512
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,120
Speaker 3: seven and eight straight. And I thought it was gonna

513
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 3: be that easy. And then the MAVs came back, they lost,

514
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 3: and the Heat went on their run.

515
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Speaker 4: What a shame, by the.

516
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Speaker 6: Way, because the shadow boxing thing was so cool and

517
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 6: that's what I want my superstars to be man like,

518
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 6: I want Michael and Scottie go back in time and

519
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 6: do a little choreographed dance every time they do something dope.

520
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 6: And then because the Mavericks remembered that and it happened

521
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,199
Speaker 6: right in front of their bench, they used it as

522
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Speaker 6: the rallying cry for why they turned things around.

523
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Speaker 5: I'm like, man, that sucks. Nobody's you gonna do cool

524
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 5: shit again?

525
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 4: Taylor? Are you looking up the shadow boxing between Lebron

526
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 4: and Wade?

527
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Speaker 3: It was glorious, It really was. I mean there was

528
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 3: a fucking party going on the Ana from the Map series. Yeah,

529
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,880
Speaker 3: the Maps series first season with the Heat. I think

530
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 3: if someone hit a big three in the corner and

531
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Speaker 3: Wade and want full recap, just go back and listen

532
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 3: to four years of Heat. I was hosted by Israel

533
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 3: Gutierrez the iHeartRadio.

534
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Speaker 8: Yes, wasn't there also something where like Dirk was sick

535
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 8: and Lebron and Wade and Bosh were like mocking him.

536
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 6: For being sick crazy, So they were essentially suggesting that

537
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 6: Dirk was faking an illness because he wasn't playing that well.

538
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 6: And so when they walked by him or something, or

539
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 6: walked by a camera they were over there and it

540
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 6: was I'm telling you, man, that was the Lebron James

541
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 6: effect on Dwayne Wade, because I don't think Dwayne Wade

542
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 6: would ever have done that if he wasn't made.

543
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Speaker 3: They were feeling good about themselves. Yes, Dwayne Wade was

544
00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 3: mister professional. He never would have done that. He knew

545
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 3: what it took, would champion Gypsy one mom without Lebron.

546
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Speaker 1: I mean, and still, you know what, dark head, what

547
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 1: the last laugh?

548
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Speaker 3: That's you know what? The cure for Dirk was shadow boxing.

549
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 3: I mean, Derk Novinsky can say for the rest of

550
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 3: the time, I never lost to Lebron James in the finals.

551
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 3: That was that other Texas team, Right, He's the only one,

552
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 3: even though san Antonio beat him the second time around.

553
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 3: Many guys on those teams lost to them the first

554
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 3: time around, right, Right.

555
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Speaker 6: But yeah, And so I think about that with the

556
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 6: heat and I'm like, Okay, that makes so much sense

557
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 6: as to why, Like I get frustrated as hell watching them,

558
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 6: and I'm like, you guys need a defensive stop, and

559
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,439
Speaker 6: guys are getting layups on you left and right, and

560
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 6: it's just like, yeah, it's a different it's a different animal.

561
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 6: It's a different way of thinking. If you remember, man,

562
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 6: if you remember Jimmy Butler one game, a regular season

563
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 6: game against the Phoenix Suns, and it was down to

564
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,679
Speaker 6: a final possession and he was just playing one on

565
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 6: one defense against Devin Booker and took so much pride

566
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 6: in shutting that dude down and getting that block on

567
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 6: the last possession. I can't remember a time this season

568
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 6: that the Heat have gotten a huge defensive stop late

569
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 6: in a close game.

570
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 5: I haven't, and that was that's their calling card.

571
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 6: So it's just it's it's a very frustrating thing to

572
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 6: watch when you know, I feel like you know the

573
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 6: exact reason.

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Speaker 3: Why, uh do you guys feel Listen, it took almost

575
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 3: a year, I feel like nine months or so, but

576
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 3: we have finally hit Iszi's wheelhouse.

577
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Speaker 4: I mean, he is well. I couldn't stand the conversation Spultra.

578
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 6: I mean, oh man, Now, if you want to take

579
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 6: me to the mid to mid twenty teens and talk

580
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 6: Miami he basketball, you'll have me here for ten hours.

581
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 6: I will even skip the gym.

582
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 4: Now you won't. Now you'll work out while I do it.

583
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 1: None of us believe that.

584
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 4: No one believes that.

585
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 3: Well, it appears as he will will get you out

586
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 3: here for your date with Jim. But it appears that

587
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 3: JJ Reddick. None of the players like it, no leaders,

588
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 3: no one likes him. Everyone's bumping him. Lebron I thought

589
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 3: liked him. They were doing a podcast together. Then he

590
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 3: had an altercation with Luca on the sidelines. He's had

591
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 3: one with Lebron jj Reddick. I don't know how long

592
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 3: it's gonna last for him in LA.

593
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 6: You know, it's funny reading the quotes from the fallout

594
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 6: of that, JJ saying it felt like a normal interaction.

595
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 5: Lucas saying, we have a good relationship. It's all good.

596
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 6: It reminds me of a little bit of what I

597
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 6: was talking about before. But I feel like Luca is

598
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 6: the type of guy that just says, listen, coach, I

599
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 6: don't need you, okay, I just need the right guys

600
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 6: around me. Because his level of crazy is knowing that

601
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 6: he can put up fifty in any game if he

602
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 6: really wants to, and if the threats around him are there.

603
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 6: And so Luca, because he doesn't love the NBA like that, right,

604
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 6: He's not like Lebron. His whole life is meant to

605
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 6: match Michael Jordan. He doesn't care that much. He just

606
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 6: kind of wants to show off a little bit. It

607
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 6: doesn't match the same level of desire as JJ or

608
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 6: what they're asking for.

609
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 5: So those two can.

610
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 6: Get along off the floor all they want on the

611
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 6: floor because they see things differently, They're always gonna clash

612
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 6: like that and maybe it'll work out, maybe it won't,

613
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 6: but it's just they don't personality wise, definitely don't match.

614
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 3: You guys, want to revisit that conversation about apologizing to

615
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 3: Nico Harrison. I mean, anyway, I think Stephen Ay apologized

616
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 3: to I saw someone apologize to him after I apologize

617
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 3: to him.

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Speaker 4: I was first. I mean, I was kind of look

619
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Speaker 4: at where Anthony did. What did they get back?

620
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Speaker 6: Just do the actual math on what they got back

621
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Speaker 6: for Luka doncics because it no longer includes Anthony Davis.

622
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 4: Not a good trade.

623
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Speaker 5: He does not deserve an apology.

624
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,239
Speaker 4: It's it's not what they got back, it's what they

625
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 4: got rid of.

626
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 3: And what they got rid of is a lazy loser

627
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 3: who's never in shape, who's never gonna win an NBA time,

628
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 3: who can get I mean, seriously, by.

629
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Speaker 4: The way, you know it took me a while to

630
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:54,239
Speaker 4: get to this.

631
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 3: When when Spoe tells you, who has three rings on

632
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 3: his finger, to go left, and you have no rings

633
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 3: on your finger, go fucking left? How does that say

634
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 3: You can't go right when the coach tells you to

635
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 3: go left until you have a ring on your finger?

636
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 4: Tailor put that on the poll.

637
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 3: Can you go left when the coach tells you to

638
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 3: go right if the coach has three rings and you

639
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 3: have none?

640
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 4: I mean, who the hell is Jimmy Butler?

641
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 6: To take me a while to figure out that pole question,

642
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 6: But yeah,