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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to the Bob left That's Podcast. My

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Speaker 1: guest today is Linda Perry. I saw her speak recently

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Speaker 1: at Canadian Music Week and she was speaking the truth

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Speaker 1: when everybody else blokes smoke up wannabe's asses. Linda, good

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Speaker 1: to be here, Hi, Bob Okay. One of the things

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Speaker 1: you said it really impressed me in in Toronto was

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Speaker 1: you're looking for rock stars and you didn't see any

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Speaker 1: rock stars in the room. Defined from my audience what

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Speaker 1: a rock star is for me personally, everybody has their

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Speaker 1: own version of a rock star, but for me, Patti

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Speaker 1: Smith was a rock star, Keith Richards, Mick Jagger, Bowie

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Speaker 1: kiss Um, Chrissie Hines, Janice Joplin. To me, a rock

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Speaker 1: star is somebody who you just know they're something. They

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Speaker 1: walk a different beat, there's something different about the way

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Speaker 1: they talk. Um Jesus was a rock star, you know,

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Speaker 1: and Um. But you get, you know, attracted to this

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Speaker 1: person and want to know more about them because on

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Speaker 1: stage or off stage, they're kind of the same. They

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Speaker 1: have you know, I know, like for Freddie Mercury, when

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Speaker 1: But no matter what, he's a star. So I feel

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Speaker 1: like we have a lot of celebrities, we have a

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Speaker 1: lot of kids that are influencers, but as far as

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Speaker 1: rock stars, I'm I find it very hard and very

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Speaker 1: rare to find. Okay, So why do you think there

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Speaker 1: are a fewer rock stars today than there were before?

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Speaker 1: Because the generation sans Um after the nineties was the

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Speaker 1: last rock star. In fact, what's funny about the nineties

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Speaker 1: was an anti rock star. Well we're talking about Kurt

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Speaker 1: Cobain after here here be in music Settle exactly. But

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Speaker 1: those Kurt Cobain was a full on rocks you know, Cornell,

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Speaker 1: full on Pearl Jam everybody. And we had Um, Courtney Love,

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Speaker 1: I just remember this that story. Nirvana was in South

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Speaker 1: and Courtney says, listen, we're gonna take the limo. No

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Speaker 1: it's not punk, No, one's gonna say says, no, I

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Speaker 1: can't take the limo. You know, but I think that

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Speaker 1: what happened there is it introduced unfortunately. Um, hey, hey, Bob,

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Speaker 1: Steven Larry, you can get on stage and being a

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Speaker 1: You know, you could basically wake up in the morning

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Speaker 1: And you don't have to be a flashy dresser. You

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Speaker 1: to have any of that. Because Nirvana and the grun

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Speaker 1: like the anti rock star. And but what's funny about

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Speaker 1: those those guys were the most rock star guys because

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Speaker 1: There was like this fixation to not be rock stars,

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Speaker 1: which made them rock stars. Okay, how do you compare

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Speaker 1: that to the punk era of the late seventies. Well,

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Speaker 1: that was sort of a different thing because Seattle, these

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Speaker 1: were accomplished musicians. Yeah, I don't, I don't. There's you

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Speaker 1: can whatever you want with this conversation and this one statement,

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Speaker 1: there's nothing punk about the Seattle scene, So I don't

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Speaker 1: it was not punk rock. I remember punk. I was

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Speaker 1: but they're but they're not. They weren't at all, you know,

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Speaker 1: So it's to me that's not the same thing. Okay.

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Speaker 1: Uh would we say being a rock star is the

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Speaker 1: same as being charismatic? Absolutely? Um, I think there's a

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Speaker 1: the problem is I feel like we are not dealing

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Speaker 1: or at least portraying them. And what I'm having an

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Speaker 1: issue with is a lot of um, you know, Beyonce

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Speaker 1: she's got Pink's very very thoughtful about what she's doing

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Speaker 1: And this is a small item, the way she does

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Speaker 1: the acrobatic act at every show to the point where

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Speaker 1: to you know, Alice Cooper, every show was different, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the the whole thing is Again, that would be a

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Speaker 1: perfect example of when you're great, you can I mean

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Speaker 1: I toured with Neil Young for two months and every

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Speaker 1: it's like great, incredibly gifted, you know, sense sensitive musicians

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Speaker 1: We are not dealing with that level of artist anymore.

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Speaker 1: Let's go drill down right there though. Um Bob Dylan

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Speaker 1: it has been for essentially thirty years rearranging the songs.

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Speaker 1: you know, thirty years, singing the same song can get

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Speaker 1: I'm all for it. But if you're doing it to

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Speaker 1: I'm very disappointed in that he's definitely doing making interesting

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Speaker 1: do degree does the audience owe the person that they're idolizing,

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Speaker 1: you know, the space to create? Well, I guess the

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Speaker 1: fascinating story and this goes back to when you were

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Speaker 1: The ultimate album was called Time Fades Away, but he

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Speaker 1: He has a long history of going his own way.

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Speaker 1: He can really still sell tickets. Were Crosby, Seals and

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Speaker 1: And I think that's because people see Neil Young as

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Speaker 1: a real rock star doing whatever he wants. But you know,

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Speaker 1: probably very you know, upsetting to those artists. Like if

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Speaker 1: Let's try to beat you know, our old you know, oldies,

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Speaker 1: know what, and they possibly could, but no one's going

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Speaker 1: They want Neil Young, Um, Carly Simon, they want Carly,

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Speaker 1: which I knew was copyright infringement. I was a lawyer,

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00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 1: even though I friends with the guys at Napster at

426
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:12,400
Speaker 1: this point um and I assumed when they won the case,

427
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 1: then they would license Napster one of these other things,

428
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 1: which they didn't. So I said, I want to get

429
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,479
Speaker 1: to the point when Spotify ended up being, which was

430
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,400
Speaker 1: pay a load price, you can get all the music. Okay.

431
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: I figured that's what the public wants. So I mean,

432
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,360
Speaker 1: I was the number one person on all these issues

433
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 1: they gave free subscription to. I have no investment in

434
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 1: any of these things, otherwise it couldn't comment. And you know,

435
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 1: I generated more more free subscribers when they launched in

436
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,719
Speaker 1: two thousand eleven than anybody else. They gave you know

437
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 1: stuff too. But what happened was in the music business

438
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 1: sixties and seventies, music drove the culture. If you wanted

439
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,959
Speaker 1: to know what was going on, you bought a record. Okay.

440
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: Then it kind of died at the end of the

441
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 1: seventies with core rock disco. Then it blew up so

442
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: and CBS Columbia Records laid awful lot of people. Then

443
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 1: MTV came along and there was a resurgen. First it

444
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 1: was the old acts. Then as a result of Culture

445
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,640
Speaker 1: Club and Duran Duran, you had new acts. But as

446
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 1: you hit the late eighties, it started to become more

447
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,919
Speaker 1: about the video and how people looked as opposed to

448
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 1: their underlying abilities and the song. But that played out

449
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: through the nineties and then the year two thousand came,

450
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:33,400
Speaker 1: everything blew apart. But once it was I believe maybe

451
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,360
Speaker 1: when every it was it was so weird experience. Everybody

452
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 1: got a subscription to a O L and they started

453
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: to play. So for twenty years, Internet drove the culture. Okay,

454
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 1: From five, you're buying a new gadget, you where everybody's

455
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:52,159
Speaker 1: talking about a new app that's solidified right now, Politics,

456
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: especially in America, is driving the culture. So just to

457
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,640
Speaker 1: go some of these issues that we have. When I

458
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 1: grew up wrong, middle class, Okay, there were beautiful people,

459
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: but they might be in the art class. They were not.

460
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: You know, you'd say, oh, they're beautiful whatever, they're living

461
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 1: in another planet. They became the artists, okay. And then

462
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,239
Speaker 1: you had people like the Jefferson airplane, you know, up

463
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: against the wall. Motherfucker. These are middle class people. They

464
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 1: can speak their truth when life became so hard. And

465
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna piss people off at Reagan legitimized greed. Today,

466
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: today's kids are very sophisticated. It's a very hard life

467
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: out there. You can't make it on minimum wage. And

468
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: I believe the lower classes, as opposed to the middle classes,

469
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: are going into music and they'll do what people tell

470
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: them to do, where the middle class they won't. So

471
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: I think you have to mix that in. In addition,

472
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: you have to go to the point where the business

473
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 1: is not aligned with reality. If you'll get pull started

474
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 1: the touring bible and you look what's selling tickets, it's

475
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 1: far wider than the Spotify Top fifty. So we have

476
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 1: an industry that still thinks there's a top ten, and

477
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 1: maybe you can boil it down to a top ten.

478
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: But there's a million other things happening, and these things

479
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: like I want to see the Tansky Trucks band last week.

480
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 1: I mean I've met you know. People think I found

481
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: him yesterday. I met you know, Derek Trucks when he

482
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,479
Speaker 1: was playing with the Allman Brothers fifteen years ago. Okay,

483
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,360
Speaker 1: they've my frenzy agent. They've been playing for years. If

484
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 1: you go there, the audience, this is like their favorite band.

485
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: But if you talk to someone under the age, they've

486
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: never even heard of them. So it's a disconnect where

487
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: it used to be. If you could sell that many tickets,

488
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: everybody would know you. I'll stop my real map. No,

489
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 1: that's amazing. Um, you jumped to so many different places.

490
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 1: But I just want to go back to the eighties

491
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: for a second. The eighties may have had bad videos

492
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: and some crazy hair due but he takes all those

493
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 1: productions away. There are really good songs in the eighties.

494
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: Songs were written in there, but the productions and videos

495
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: were for crazy. But eighties is some of my favorite music,

496
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: getting a few tracks, a few tracks any soft sell

497
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 1: um Banshees M. There was this band called Everything but

498
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: the Girl that I Love Duran Duran, I mean, of course,

499
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 1: how about Culture Club some I was a huge I

500
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 1: went to see them, Yeah, like two years ago. I

501
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: was stunned out good it was yeah, you know, my friends.

502
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: For some reason, I dug the first you know, the

503
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: you know, do you really want to hurt me? But

504
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 1: everything else kind of got a little too much for me.

505
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: I guess I wasn't a huge fan the Church of

506
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: the Poison Mind, which was on the second really using

507
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 1: the Banshees by far number one now a member. I

508
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: was remember the slits who wrote this book. Wasn't Susie

509
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: and the Banchees. Okay, that's the eighties. Yeah, but I

510
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: got a very quick question. You can ask me a

511
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: question any time. How did you get to go on

512
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: that Neil Young tour? Well? Um, I was in my

513
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: band for an Arbombs and then I left the band,

514
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: was it? Yeah? I left the band and um, so

515
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: we were in the middle of our second record and

516
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: I just couldn't I just couldn't do it. I was like,

517
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: I can't do this. Again, Um it wasn't. Um, the

518
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: band wasn't for me. And wonderful success, thank you you

519
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: know for that. I believe the energy of that was

520
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: amazing and it really did, you know, help, but um,

521
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: it just wasn't fulfilling me soulfully. And so I got

522
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: out of the band, and UM, I think I just

523
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: said I wanted to go out on tour with Neil Young,

524
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: and I did this record, um, and this record is

525
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: in Flight, and I felt that would be perfect for

526
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: Neil Young. And then I just got the tour was

527
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: a little bit slower. You were the opening up. I

528
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: was the opening xt okay, so your agent so my

529
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: agent at the time as Danny um Winery Peninsula and um,

530
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: and so we got that gig. So some shows was

531
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: me opening up and then some shows were the big festivals.

532
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: So would be like there was one show we did

533
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: in uh Glasgow where it was um Me Pearl Jam,

534
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: Neil Young Van Morrison. I mean it was like, you know,

535
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: all of a sudden got into these really really cool

536
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: things that you know for Blonde's couldn't I mean I

537
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: opened up for the who you know, I mean it

538
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: was pretty amazing. So um, but that's how that happened.

539
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: But yeah, and I would. I told him it's like,

540
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: you know, every time you play, I just want to

541
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: go out and pick up a truck and I feel

542
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,239
Speaker 1: like I can throw it, you know. And there was

543
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: I went to see this movie Echo in the Key Union.

544
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: I mean they sent me a screener. Okay, So in

545
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: the movie they're talking about the competition between acts, how

546
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: Brian Wilson is doing something. A lot of this is

547
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: well okay, and then the Bill said, holy funk, it's

548
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: pet sounds. We have to do better. And I know

549
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: exactly what you're talking about. When you when you're kind

550
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: of in the game, Holy fuck, it inspires you. As

551
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: opposed to today, a lot of times we feel like

552
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: we're living in a silo. Yeah, well, you know, again,

553
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: going back to a long time question ago, I feel

554
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: that digression is a spice of you know, what we're

555
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: dealing with is a very you know, I'll just call

556
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: it the me generation where it's just me, me, me um.

557
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: And I don't think music can come from that place

558
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: or or be presented that way because the whole reason,

559
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: you know, yes, we want to do music for ourselves,

560
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: but it's for ourselves to empower others as well, to

561
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: send a message for ourselves having an you know, an

562
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: ego or whatever it is, or a political statement or

563
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: you know, whatever statement that we have. And I think

564
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: that's what the problem is. No one's making a statement

565
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: about anything, and the music is just so I don't

566
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: even know who is who, you know, but right now,

567
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I am excited because there's a lot of

568
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: great stuff, you know, I feel. I can't tell you what,

569
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: but I can feel the energy is shifting right now

570
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of um based on I mean,

571
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: I do a lot of panels like what you saw

572
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: I do that. I've been doing that like for the

573
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: past year and a half straight. And the reason, you know,

574
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: I needed to correct your comment, you know that I was,

575
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: you know, hurting people. I was like, but that to me,

576
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: anytime you tell someone the truth, it's going to hurt

577
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: them in some way. Because the point what I was

578
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: trying to make is if your mom and your sister

579
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: and your family said, oh, Darling, that's so what a

580
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: great you know song there, they don't have the right information.

581
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: They're lying to you basically because of anybody who told

582
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: you that was good is lying to you. And that's

583
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: that actually I know that, you know, I say the

584
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,479
Speaker 1: exact same thing. Put it up on YouTube or sound cloud,

585
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: and forget your friends if they if they are the

586
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: planes going up. I'm trying to get kids to go

587
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: actually perform, you know, and get off of the socials

588
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: because right now, that's to me is what is happening.

589
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: That there's a The art of recording is dying, The

590
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: art of performing live is dying. The art of you know,

591
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: writing a song, it's like that craft, that art of recording, songwriting, performing,

592
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: it's not being um. The kids don't know. They don't

593
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: know what a rehearsal room is. They don't know that

594
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: you can actually get a band together, meet, connect because

595
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: they don't understand that part the reasons the reason the

596
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: Beatles were so great, it's because there was a connection

597
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: with all the members of the band Rolling Stones, just

598
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: an airplane, Fleetwood Mac. These are all great connections. Whether

599
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: they all get along or not doesn't matter. A connection

600
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: is made by all these artists that formed in this band,

601
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: that created this huge persona and this incredible music. And

602
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: when you listen to you know, these kids getting together

603
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: there I don't even know how they're meeting each other.

604
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: But what they're not doing is going in a rehearsal room,

605
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: figuring out who they are and then getting out there

606
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 1: into the real world. Whether it's your your sister, um

607
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 1: uh's boyfriend Bobby who's having a party down in the

608
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: basement when their parents are gone and they want your

609
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: band to perform, you get instant reaction right there, like

610
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,439
Speaker 1: you can all of a sudden realize, Okay, that song

611
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 1: is not working. People really didn't like that we bombed.

612
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: But right now kids are taking I have kids coming

613
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 1: to me and tell me it. Well, you know, I

614
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: spent you know, fifteen thousand dollars making this demo and

615
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: I don't know how to get it out there, and

616
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: you know, um it just seems like nobody wants to

617
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: hear it. And then I hear it and I'm like,

618
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: did you listen to this? And they're like, yeah, I go,

619
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: you should. Who told you to spend fifteen dollars on this?

620
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: You don't have one song on here? Who the hell

621
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: told you? You know that you that was the best

622
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 1: thing to do. Well, you know, my friend or my parents,

623
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: they gave me the money go do this. And then

624
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: this guy took the money. Of course, the guy took

625
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: the money. You know, he's in it for money. He's

626
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: got a studio that he's not making any money. Some

627
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 1: you know, silly kids gonna come in here some five

628
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: bad songs. He's gonna take your money, you know. So anyways,

629
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,720
Speaker 1: that's what I'm trying to get kids to do, to

630
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 1: kind of get off of the That's why I said

631
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 1: fuck you to those people who get up on stage

632
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: and teach these kids about how to make their socials

633
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: even bigger, because why what why don't we try to

634
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:51,760
Speaker 1: make them stronger as individuals, stronger as artist, songwriters, performers. First,

635
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: why don't we use all your know how and knowledge

636
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: to why don't you give them some money and start

637
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: some kind of band camp or some kind of thing

638
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: to get these kids in there, and then you can

639
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: document that and put it on your social media and

640
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 1: you know, explore the possibilities of teaching kids how to

641
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: actually be. But the question becomes today's generations are they

642
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: more interested in becoming famous or making music? Exactly celebrity.

643
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: That's why I said that we are being driven by celebrities.

644
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: And you know, someone was saying, well, you know, I

645
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: just record the songs and I put them out there.

646
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: And I said, you know, people are more precious to

647
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: put out a photo on Instagram. They sit there and

648
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: they doctor it. They I see kids take pictures like

649
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 1: over and over until they get the right one. Then

650
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: they go put it through its filters and do all

651
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: this stuff, make sure it looks great, okay great, and

652
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: then they put it out there because they know that

653
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 1: that once that is out there, they're not getting it back.

654
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: I don't see anybody really doing that with music. I

655
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: see music just coming out. Oh I has wrote this today.

656
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 1: Oh it's a great song because my my sister said

657
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 1: it was and my girlfriend loved it. So I'm gonna

658
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: put it on my Instagram now and watch the buzz

659
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: happen on YouTube and I'm gonna be picked up like

660
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: Justin Bieber, you know, and it's like, you know that

661
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: that's gone. Now, that's out there in the world, that

662
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 1: piece of ship that you just put out there. Not

663
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: only is it bad and it's out in the world,

664
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: but it's it's going to clutter get in the way

665
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 1: of something good. Well need the barrier to entry is

666
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: non existent. Everybody's got garage being on their computer. They

667
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: can make us long. They can get it on certainly YouTube.

668
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: And my thing is, I know you can, but it

669
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you should. Okay, But the question question becomes,

670
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: this person who spent fifteen thou dollars. You spoke the

671
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: truth to that person. How did they handle it? Oh?

672
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: They're bummed out, man, bummed out because they're like, well,

673
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: I wish I would have known you, you know, a

674
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: year ago. They's just like, but I said, listen, you

675
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: have to be smart, and that's why. And actually it's

676
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: those kind of conversations what started me to start going

677
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: on these panels. And and I mean I've been all

678
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 1: over the place trying to talk to kids and I

679
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: don't listen. I don't think I know jack Ship. All

680
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,439
Speaker 1: I know is my truth and what works for me

681
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: and my experience. And I know that I don't operate

682
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 1: from me. I operate from I'm in this business that

683
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:26,240
Speaker 1: I love, I respected so much. I love making music.

684
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 1: It is just it's who I am. I will always

685
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: be this person no matter what. And because this is

686
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: my world, my job, I owe it to myself and

687
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 1: the people that are in it to invest emotionally in

688
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: it as well. So I'm trying to protect this to

689
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: me very I mean talk about you know, what is

690
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: a crisis going on. There is a crisis, you know,

691
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 1: when music is being treated like the most. It's the most.

692
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: I mean it's the biggest thing out there, but it's

693
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: treated like ship. You know, from songwriters to performers, to

694
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,439
Speaker 1: credits to all that. It's like it's everywhere, but it's

695
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: like the songwriter or whatever. It's like literally on the

696
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: it's like might as well be a piece of dog poop.

697
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: You know that people are just stepping believe songwriter royalties

698
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: should go up. They got screwed when they went to

699
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 1: these digital things, specially streaming. But do you feel like

700
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: you're putting your finger in the dyke? I mean, because

701
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 1: I was doing did you didn't say, am I putting

702
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: my finger in the dyke? I was. I was in

703
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: the Netherlands with a little boy that you're looking at

704
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 1: it that way? What I mean by do you know

705
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: that calling as dyke is also another word for a lesbian.

706
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,479
Speaker 1: Of course I know that, but it wasn't in my brain.

707
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: I was like to say that, Bob, you said put

708
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 1: your finger in the dike? Right? Isn't that what they say,

709
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 1: wasn't there you went to school? Wasn't a little boy?

710
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 1: And the story we had his finger in the dike

711
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: and he took the finger. And then as I know

712
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: what the story you're saying, it's just funny. I've been

713
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: doing that. I've been doing this a long time. And

714
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: I used to tell people the truth. Okay, I refused

715
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: to blow smoke up their ass. I had a lot

716
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:33,399
Speaker 1: of bad experiences because these people become vindictive. Okay, let

717
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: me go one step further. Last fall, I went on

718
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: tour with Jason flam Is that a lot of hits

719
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 1: And we went to USC they have like a recording

720
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: program and he's blowing smoke up the ass. Oh, you

721
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: can make it. You can do that. And I'm like

722
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: the only persdae the You have to need to be

723
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: in this business. You know, staying in is the hardest part.

724
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: This is the business side. But I want to know,

725
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: if I look at some big bands touring today, if

726
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: you look at cold Play, if you look of the

727
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: Dave Matthews band, they broke in the era when there

728
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: was still v H one airplay. Okay, it's very different today.

729
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: So my question to you is, yes, since it's all

730
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: blue blew apart, and certainly within nine years, let's call

731
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: it two thousand and ten. Is anybody out there that

732
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 1: started at that time that you think is a rock star? Yeah,

733
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: someone who wasn't built on MTV VH one. Brandy Carlyle,

734
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: I agree with you there, But she's been doing it

735
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 1: a long time. Brandy Carlisle. I think she's amazing to me.

736
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: Like I just recently, you know, UM met her, you know,

737
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 1: during the whole Grammy time and I was like, oh

738
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 1: my god, I can't believe I haven't met you before.

739
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: What an incredibly talented person. Well, the other thing she

740
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,720
Speaker 1: emails me and she, you know, it's totally down to earth,

741
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: talks about fishing in this there there isn't that scrim

742
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,919
Speaker 1: between her when you see her and on. I mean,

743
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: that's what I'm talking about. Like, you know, when when

744
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: going back to what a rock star is, rock star

745
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 1: is just it's just there's a confidence, there's just a thing.

746
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: There's an insecurity, there's a very transparent insecurity. Um and

747
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: then there's just a you know, a person that can

748
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 1: be in tennis shoes, sitting on a boat fishing like

749
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,720
Speaker 1: Brandy Carlile and be very down to earth and humble.

750
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: But again, you just know there's something different about her.

751
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 1: There's just something different about Brandy. Jumping off on your point.

752
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: This is one of my theories going back to an

753
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: earlier thing talking about the male musicians of the sixties

754
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: and seventies, a lot of them were very shy. They

755
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:45,280
Speaker 1: did it to meet girls, and once they became famous,

756
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: met girls and made all this money, and it didn't

757
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 1: solve their problems. I think that's why they can't write

758
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: the hit it anymore, because it was like that curate

759
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 1: in front will get there and I'll be happy. Well,

760
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,280
Speaker 1: I think too. A lot of people ask me about,

761
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: you know, do you do a song when you get

762
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: writer's blocked? And I said, I don't get writer's blocked,

763
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,439
Speaker 1: And they're like, why I go Because writer block comes

764
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: from someone who's thinking. I'm not I'm never thinking when

765
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:15,720
Speaker 1: I'm writing. I mean, I just I'm right now, Thank

766
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: you the universe. Something's going on in my life right

767
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 1: now where everybody you know, I I said about you know,

768
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 1: there's been like a seven year span or maybe five

769
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: or something like that, but um, everybody wanted really cut

770
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 1: and paste top winy kind of music and it's just

771
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: not my thing, Bob. I don't do that, you know.

772
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: And so my wife was like, well, and I was

773
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 1: kind of showing telling her my frustration, and she's like, well,

774
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do. I'm like, well, I'm a songwriter.

775
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: People are gonna want songs again, and when they do,

776
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: I'll be here and my phone will start ringing. And

777
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: lately my phone has been ringing. You know, that's a

778
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: great sign for me, because I don't ever follow the trend.

779
00:43:58,120 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: I don't even know what a fucking trend is. I

780
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: wouldn't know how to be hit if you showed it

781
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,240
Speaker 1: to me and taught me and spent millions of dollars

782
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: helping me get there. I don't know what that is.

783
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 1: But I do know how to write a song, and

784
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 1: I know how to connect to people, and um, you know,

785
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: so to me, you can tell them I can go,

786
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: I can leave you, go into that room, go into

787
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 1: that room, and go into that room, and go into

788
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: that room with seven different people, and I can walk

789
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 1: out of every room and I can walk out with

790
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: a song. How do you feel about collaboration. I love collaborations.

791
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: I I think that you know, for me, um. The

792
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: collaboration is a very interesting one because there's different different

793
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: levels of what collaboration is. So one would be the

794
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: more you know, normal one where you and I get together,

795
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 1: we want to write a song, and we sit here,

796
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,720
Speaker 1: you have your guitar, got mine, and we just bounce

797
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: ideas off of we write a song. Great. The other

798
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: collaborate ration is you're over there on your computer typing

799
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: away on doing I don't know what, you know, or instagramming, twittering,

800
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: and I'm out there coming up with the song, and

801
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: you know, I come in and like, okay, here what

802
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: you got, you know, and we talk. But to me,

803
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: I still feel like that's a collaboration because no matter

804
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: what whatever I did out there, I never would have

805
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 1: done if it wasn't for the energy, you know, of

806
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: the person sitting there. You know, like I really feed

807
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 1: off the energy of somebody. And then there's the collaborations

808
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 1: which I don't get involved in, and that's the one

809
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,280
Speaker 1: where everybody and your mother is inside a room trying

810
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 1: to write a song that really, you know, didn't really

811
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: take seven people to write. Those those collaborations confuse me.

812
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: I don't understand how bad song it takes seven people

813
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: to write a bad song. How about writing yourself? I

814
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: love writing by myself. It's my best work. And I

815
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: think what happen for me is like I went off

816
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: on a tangent of wanting to write with a bunch

817
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: of people, and although I love the songs, that's not

818
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: the point. The thing is, there's something different about when

819
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: you're just by yourself and having your own thought because

820
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: I'm very different in my my My perspective is completely

821
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: different than any of these kids, you know, And I

822
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 1: don't chase anything. So what happens in some collaborations, I

823
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 1: find myself having to help someone with a vision that

824
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: may not be that original, and they want to chase

825
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 1: something that might be already out there in the world,

826
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 1: and my job is to help take them, you know,

827
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: away from that and distract them and bring them back

828
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: into why don't we just be you? You know? And

829
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 1: sometimes what happens with that there's a friction because I

830
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 1: just want to do something original and cool and left

831
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 1: field and are very fix fixated on tempo subject matter

832
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: and you know, a melodic structure that doesn't make any sense.

833
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 1: But we talk about earlier inspiration and being driven to

834
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: top something can you do that because I have a

835
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,760
Speaker 1: friend who's a publisher, big guy in Kenna and Michael McCarty,

836
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: and I argue with them all the time. He thinks

837
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: the best songs are done in collaboration, and I don't

838
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: like to collaborate at all. I don't think that that

839
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 1: is true. I do believe that when you have the

840
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 1: energy with somebody like um, Alicia more Pink, I collaborated

841
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: really well with her, like we got along great and

842
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: we just instantly did. Alicia Keys and I are great together,

843
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: you know. But my best songs and my biggest songs

844
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 1: were the ones I wrote by myself. Okay, the next

845
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 1: question is, obviously you're very experienced. You're never gonna write

846
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: something terrible, But do you know when you're writing something exceptional?

847
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: I feel like I just wrote an exceptional song the

848
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: other day, and um, I and then what happens with

849
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 1: that is like I cannot be distracted with disappointment if

850
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 1: somebody doesn't feel that way, because I could say I

851
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: have like probably three albums of songs that didn't make

852
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 1: it on someone's album, and I'm like, going, are you

853
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: fucking high? You didn't put this? You put that piece

854
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 1: of sh it on your fucking record and you didn't

855
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: put this. You know. I can go that way, but

856
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,879
Speaker 1: I don't. But it's more like, okay, you know, Um,

857
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 1: I have like songs that one day I may release

858
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 1: and go the songs that never made it, you know,

859
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 1: and do that kind of album and because they're so good.

860
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,439
Speaker 1: But I think they're so good, I just know. I mean,

861
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 1: I'm writing every day. I'm not going to write a five,

862
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: but I know when I'm writing an eleven, and you

863
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: can't do it every day. And the funny thing is,

864
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,959
Speaker 1: if all of a sudden you really actually doing something great,

865
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: usually you lose it. Yeah, it's like something that comes

866
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: out of the sky. And the greatness, too, comes from

867
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 1: when you're not chasing. Lately, I've been really in this

868
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: mode of like, I'm I'm tired. I'm super tired. I

869
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: run a business. I have, I'm my mom. You know,

870
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 1: I'm writing, I have my studio, I have, I manage

871
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 1: artists and me and my partner Carrie Brown, Um, you

872
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: know we want run this company. We are here and um,

873
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 1: we're tired. We haven't slept in two and a half years,

874
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: and I feel like I haven't slept in fifteen. But

875
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: the thing is, when I get tired, I don't know

876
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 1: what happens, but I'm like, you know, magic, like you know,

877
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: in the middle of the night to three in the morning,

878
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: I'll just pop up. And last night, um, I was

879
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: asked to write a song for Bocelli, and I was like, well,

880
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: I don't want to write a normal song him, you

881
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: know whatever. So I just popped out a bed, you know,

882
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: and I just got something, a sensation, and you know,

883
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 1: and mind you, I wasn't in bed, I was just

884
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: sitting there and I just it's like two o'clock in

885
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: the morning. I grabbed a guitar, went in the art

886
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 1: room and sat there and I came up with this

887
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: song that kind of sounded like maybe Roy Orbison would

888
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 1: sing it. And I was like, awesome, that is great.

889
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: That would have never came to me with the same mind.

890
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, I totally agree. It's like

891
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: in the shower you get good inspiration. It's like when

892
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: you really have to do something, then you go to

893
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 1: lunch whatever, all of a sudden, at one point, all

894
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: of a sudden inspired you. So you when you when

895
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,879
Speaker 1: you are inspired, the song is written pretty quickly. Oh yeah,

896
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:39,399
Speaker 1: super super quick. And I've been really um in this

897
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: computer right behind me. I have like close to a

898
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 1: thousand songs that are not finished that I because the

899
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: way I write, I just sit at the piano or

900
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: guitar and I'll just I could do it now, if

901
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 1: I had a guitar, I could just start writing a

902
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: song and it'll just you'll you'll think I've written this. Alright,

903
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 1: I'm playing you a song that I wrote, and really

904
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: it's just something that I'm just making up right now

905
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: on the spot. And then I'll get like distracted and

906
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: then like okay, um, let's make a mix of that

907
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 1: and put it in there. And so a lot of

908
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: them their full formed songs, but I have to go

909
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: back and fix lyrics, you know. So I'm just constantly, constantly,

910
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:21,399
Speaker 1: They're just constantly coming I I don't I It's like

911
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: it flows, you know, It's always coming out, and it

912
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: gets overwhelming because I get so far behind. So I

913
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 1: have to tell myself, you gotta write it right now,

914
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 1: just write it right now. And so now I'm on

915
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: that mode right now where if it comes, I'm just

916
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 1: writing it right now because I I don't want to.

917
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,359
Speaker 1: I mean, I've been going through those songs. I'm just going, Oh,

918
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: how am I going to get back to that emotion?

919
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: You know, because you know, you know, it's like I

920
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: have a I have great starting point, but it's like

921
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:55,320
Speaker 1: where was I at emotionally? Read re read everything twice

922
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 1: before I send it, and I used to wait a

923
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 1: day or day or two to reread it, and I

924
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 1: always funked it up because my head wasn't in the

925
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 1: same place when I wrote it. Let's go back to

926
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 1: the beginning. You're originally from Massachusetts. I was born in Springfield, Massages.

927
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 1: Certainly in Springfield, the home of Friendly ice Cream. Yeah,

928
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: I was there one day one year. I was one

929
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 1: years old, and we moved to San Diego. And so

930
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: how many kids in your family? There's five. I have

931
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,399
Speaker 1: five brothers and one sister. But to my brother's I

932
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: wasn't really raised with okay, because different parents or because

933
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 1: a lot of different things. And my mother's from Brazil

934
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: and my father's from Portugal, and my mother and father

935
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 1: met in Brazil. My mom left, she had like probably

936
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: a four different you know, situations happened. Um, there's four

937
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:55,399
Speaker 1: different fathers, I think with all all seven kids, Um,

938
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: it's very mysterious. You know, the kids were the different fathers.

939
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 1: Are they in Brazil? No? No, no, so they So

940
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: two of them were left in Brazil and the rest

941
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: of us came. Well, my sister, my brother, and two

942
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 1: My sister and two brothers came to America. Two were

943
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 1: left out there, and then me and my brother Jay

944
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: were born in America. So I'm the I am the youngest.

945
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:27,359
Speaker 1: I'm the baby of seven. Okay, So how did your

946
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: mother meet your father? Um? Well, Bob, that's a very

947
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: questionable um thing that we're trying to figure out. But

948
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 1: are you My father is not. He passed away about

949
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: ten years ago. My mother has a very questionable um

950
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 1: past that we can't like. It's I'm telling you, it's

951
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 1: skeletons in the closet left and right. I I. We

952
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 1: can't really get a straight answer from that. She's an

953
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 1: unreliable nere. She's a very unreliable So okay, But they

954
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 1: then they met in Brazil. My father was in the army,

955
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: and my father designed missiles and radios and computer chips

956
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:08,839
Speaker 1: and did all that kind of stuff. Um, my father

957
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: was the guy that manned the radios or whatever in

958
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 1: the submarine and UM. Then he went on to be

959
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: UM does a start designing you know, uh, computers and

960
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 1: chips and missiles. And so they met there. My mom

961
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:28,919
Speaker 1: was a model or something to that effect, and they

962
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:33,240
Speaker 1: met in a very suspicious kind of situation. And UM,

963
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: but my sister and Solomon, Mark and Marcel were already

964
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 1: with you know, from different fathers, but they were with her,

965
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: with her with her, and then my father met my mom.

966
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: They got pregnant. My mom got pregnant and had my

967
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 1: brother John. So there are three of us are from

968
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: my dad, so me, my brother John that he manages

969
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 1: the studio and works with me all the time, and

970
00:54:56,760 --> 00:55:01,439
Speaker 1: my brother Jane myself. So he moved to So yeah, okay,

971
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,720
Speaker 1: just to be clear. So they left two behind in Brazil,

972
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 1: two behind that were raised to believe that my mom

973
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:14,359
Speaker 1: was there. Aunt, I understand, do you have have you

974
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 1: met them? You have any contests? Yes? Then they showed up.

975
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: One showed up when I was five. He was sixteen,

976
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 1: and my father got him as a president president for

977
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 1: my mom and surprised her with him and UM, and

978
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: then one was left in Brazil until I was I

979
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 1: got my first money from foreign on bonds. I paid

980
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 1: for him to come out here, and then I met

981
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: him when I was like, are they now living in America? Yes,

982
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,359
Speaker 1: now they're Ina. So everybody's in America now, Okay, so

983
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: you're you moved to San Diego. How many brothers and

984
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: sisters are living under the same roof? Um, my immediate fan,

985
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,879
Speaker 1: Emily is my three brothers and my sister, so five

986
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 1: of us and I'm the youngest. And then my brother

987
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 1: Mark showed up, and then he was there for a

988
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 1: little bit, but then left early because he was sixteen already. Okay,

989
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 1: your father worked for the army, but he's very sophisticated work.

990
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 1: I assume he left the army. What did he do

991
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 1: for a little He started working for General Dynamics, and

992
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 1: then he worked for the government, and like we we

993
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: had to live in China Lake for a while and

994
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:33,240
Speaker 1: San Diego, as you know, is a very big military town,

995
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:37,320
Speaker 1: and so it was General Dynamics. And um, my father

996
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 1: was interesting about him is he didn't teach us anything

997
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 1: about music, but he was very musically. Um, he was

998
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:50,280
Speaker 1: very musical man. He loved jazz and he loved um

999
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 1: Frank Sinatra and just really fancy. He's playing music in

1000
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 1: the house kind of. But he I never really knew

1001
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 1: he played piano unless we went out somewhere he'd see

1002
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: a piano and then he'd start playing jazz. And we

1003
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: know he never taught us anything. My father he wanted

1004
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 1: to be. He wanted to be where I am probably now,

1005
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 1: and he didn't have the He didn't feel was worth it.

1006
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 1: It was too unreliable, this business, and so he started

1007
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 1: doing all this stuff with the government. And here's the

1008
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: funny thing. My life could have been so much different.

1009
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 1: In are all of our lives. But my father he

1010
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 1: was very hip on everything about computers going on, Microsoft,

1011
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 1: mac all of it. He knew um uh mac and

1012
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 1: sorry Macintosh. He knew everything about what was happening they

1013
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 1: were building. He was part of a team that we're

1014
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 1: building computers in the seventies. I mean, he would show

1015
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 1: us these prototypes of the phone where you pick up

1016
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 1: the phone and you could see someone inside the TV

1017
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 1: and then the other person would be like know down

1018
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 1: the street, like that was made. And so my father

1019
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 1: had an opportunity to invest in all that and he

1020
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: did not. And it's like one of those things like

1021
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 1: you know, and I love my life, I wouldn't change

1022
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 1: it for anything, But I feel bad for him. Like,

1023
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: my dad could invested five dollars and he would probably

1024
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 1: be a billionaire right now. He knew everything. He was

1025
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: in the company that was turning into you know what

1026
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 1: is one of the biggest companies. You know, so, uh,

1027
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: you're growing up in the house, it sounds like money

1028
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 1: was not the number one issue or no, we didn't

1029
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 1: have any money. That's the bummer part. Like, you know,

1030
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 1: we were on welfare. You know, my father bragged about

1031
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 1: money all the time, but he was spending it at

1032
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: the bar with his buddies. And you know, because he

1033
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:53,479
Speaker 1: my dad wanted to be in a brat brat pack,

1034
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 1: you know, like this fantasy was he was. He had

1035
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 1: a very mafia thing. I think he actually had something

1036
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: going on, you know, where he was kind of like

1037
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 1: one of those guys. And and so when he was

1038
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 1: at the bar, like everybody knew my dad, he was

1039
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 1: very flamboyant. But we would be home with powdered milk

1040
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: and eating tuna, you know, a bazillion different ways, and

1041
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 1: spam and all this stuff, and it was very very

1042
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 1: my mother was very upset all the time, you know,

1043
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: because it's like what are you doing your kids don't

1044
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 1: have clothes? I mean we learned how to steal, you know.

1045
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 1: I mean it was like very you know my upbringing

1046
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 1: is it's funny now, um, but it was funny then too,

1047
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 1: you know, being woken up and to go steal plants,

1048
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 1: you know, from the nursery, so we could resell them

1049
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 1: to make money, you know, to eat or get clothes.

1050
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 1: Like we are very very crafty. Um. So my father

1051
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 1: he you know, I got it. I understood what he

1052
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 1: was trying to do. He was not a happy man

1053
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 1: and the only thing that made him happy was being

1054
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 1: able to act like he was a hot shot. So okay,

1055
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 1: did your parents remain married? No, they got divorced when

1056
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 1: I was ten, and I was so excited about it

1057
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 1: because all they did was fight, and so they got divorced.

1058
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 1: But they always remained like literally a mile away from

1059
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 1: each other, very codependent, until the day my father passed away.

1060
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 1: Did they ever get remarried or another have a boyfriend

1061
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 1: or girlfriend? My mom did not my father. Okay, once

1062
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 1: you separated, refinances better or worse? Um, well worse because

1063
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 1: then we had nothing. Um, and my mom almost got

1064
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: taken away by the you know, government or because she

1065
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 1: was being you know, she had to use a different

1066
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 1: name to collect more welfare. So she was getting welfare

1067
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 1: from two different names, and they got on to her

1068
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 1: and I remember these you know men coming to our

1069
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 1: house and basically wanting to rest my mom right there

1070
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 1: and um for fraud in So she got out of it,

1071
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:07,439
Speaker 1: and UM figured I don't know, actually I still don't

1072
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 1: know what happened, to be honest, um, but I remember

1073
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 1: her returning and she never had to go to jail,

1074
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 1: So um there was. My mom was very very She's

1075
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 1: a survivor, incredibly powerful, strong woman, and you know, came

1076
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 1: to this country not knowing once, not one word of English.

1077
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 1: My father never taught it to her, and we weren't

1078
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 1: allowed to speak Brazilian so Portuguese, so my mother had

1079
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 1: to learn how to English, you know, through us kind

1080
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 1: of talking and on TV. And then it made it

1081
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 1: very difficult because sometimes I'll be talking and um, you know,

1082
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 1: people will make fun of like certain words I'll say,

1083
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:50,439
Speaker 1: and I'll say the word and I'm like, well that's

1084
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 1: the way I learned it because my mom, you know,

1085
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 1: I was raised well I always say motorcycle, you know,

1086
01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 1: like I say mortar and you know, my mom, and

1087
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 1: refrigerator was really really hard. It was he freezer door,

1088
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 1: you know. You know, so it's like, you know, so

1089
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 1: it's like and we were raised to believe that toilet

1090
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 1: paper was called Holy Papelle and like a lot of

1091
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 1: like you know, the pun of Punta LEAs, you know,

1092
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 1: like all these weird little things. And I was like, no, okay,

1093
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 1: that's not it. Alright, no problem. But um anyways, but

1094
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 1: very very um, you know, she was very unique, is

1095
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 1: very unique, very um what kind of relationship do you

1096
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 1: have with her? I have a great I have a

1097
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 1: good relationship with her. Now, Like you know, I'm such

1098
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 1: an aries, like I just want to know everything. I

1099
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 1: don't like I don't I don't like not knowing the

1100
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 1: answers to certain things. And there's so many unanswered questions

1101
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 1: and in our childhood and and and so I probably

1102
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 1: developed a bad relationship with her because she just wouldn't

1103
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 1: give me the information and I can't stand it, you know.

1104
01:02:57,680 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 1: And so then I just let it go. And I'm like,

1105
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 1: you know what, you you you figure out your life, mom,

1106
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna I'm good. Okay. So with lack

1107
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 1: of money, and that many kids. To what degree were

1108
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 1: you on your own as opposed to you know, parents

1109
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 1: watching over you or well none of us graduated school.

1110
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:20,959
Speaker 1: You know, I was out on eighth grade. I think

1111
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 1: I ditched out and I couldn't take it anymore because

1112
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 1: I just I wasn't developing my brain in that way.

1113
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 1: Like it's very hard for me to learn. Um, I

1114
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 1: get very mixed up in my head. I have to

1115
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:37,919
Speaker 1: do everything myself, um in order to understand what I'm doing.

1116
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 1: Um So, I had a lot of problems in school

1117
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 1: for not being able to uh do homework or answer

1118
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 1: questions properly. But for some reason, tests I would always pass,

1119
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 1: and I did test based on instinct, you know, I

1120
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 1: was just like, Okay, I'm going to answer this, and

1121
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 1: I always seem to be really good at that. Um.

1122
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 1: But um so I left in then. Well, but usually

1123
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 1: in America, you have to go to school to your

1124
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:07,440
Speaker 1: sixteen Yeah no, no, the truant officer never came looking

1125
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 1: for you. If your parents don't complain back then, we

1126
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 1: never Okay, so you drop out of school primarily because

1127
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 1: it doesn't align with what are you gonna do for money? Well,

1128
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 1: just go get a job like age fourteen, got a

1129
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 1: lot of jobs, Like what kind of jobs you do?

1130
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 1: I did boat work and I used to sit on

1131
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 1: a dock and you clean boats. Do you have any

1132
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:35,560
Speaker 1: regrets that you didn't go to school? Not at all. No,

1133
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 1: I don't. And how about your children? Do you think

1134
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 1: they should go to school? Of course, you know, I

1135
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:42,920
Speaker 1: don't mean, but I wasn't. I said, my children have

1136
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 1: a completely different life, you know. Um, I was very

1137
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:50,439
Speaker 1: I didn't have things, you know, so you when you

1138
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 1: are not living. I mean, it's very very different, you

1139
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 1: know back then. And um, I mean life was very

1140
01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 1: very different back then. You know, the way you're brought up,

1141
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 1: the way you know, punishment, parenting, all of it was.

1142
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 1: I mean, und today's an abused child. Oh yeah, my

1143
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 1: mom would be in prison, you know. And um, so

1144
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 1: you know you have to I grew up very fast.

1145
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:18,919
Speaker 1: I look at my son, he's four years old. One

1146
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 1: more year, he's gonna be five years old. And what

1147
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 1: I was down the street hanging out all day long

1148
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:31,360
Speaker 1: at five years old. I would never ever let my

1149
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 1: son go down the street and hang out and to

1150
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 1: show come back, you know, like it would just never happen.

1151
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 1: If I laugh about it. Now I'm just like going,

1152
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 1: Holy Cow, you know, and um, but yes, of course

1153
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:47,480
Speaker 1: they should go to school because it's like it is

1154
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 1: important and for many things I I try. I kept

1155
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 1: trying to go back to school just to meet friends

1156
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 1: because I was lonely. I mean, I didn't have any friends.

1157
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 1: So I would go back to school and I would

1158
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 1: you know, just hang out and then they would let

1159
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 1: me back in, you know, of course they're gonna let

1160
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 1: me back in there. And then the president, I mean,

1161
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:10,120
Speaker 1: the what's his name that the principles I don't even

1162
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 1: know principle would come in asked me to come in.

1163
01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 1: He's like, why are you here? And I'm like to

1164
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 1: meet people and he's like, you know, school is not

1165
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 1: for to sit here and meet people and you're wasting

1166
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 1: our time. And I'm like, but I'm not even in

1167
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:27,600
Speaker 1: the classes, so how am I wasting anybody's time? You know?

1168
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:30,680
Speaker 1: But I couldn't just look then I was considered loitering,

1169
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:34,120
Speaker 1: you know, at school on campus. So anyway, so it

1170
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 1: was fun, But honestly, I knew at a very very

1171
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 1: early age this kind of stuff is not going to

1172
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:43,920
Speaker 1: be useful for me. I don't I don't need to

1173
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 1: bother myself. Okay, so when you start paying music, so

1174
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 1: then you know, I've always played music, so my whole life,

1175
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:54,240
Speaker 1: I've always dabbled in it in some way. No, never

1176
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:56,960
Speaker 1: I we can afford that. I remember wanting to have

1177
01:06:57,000 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 1: piano lessons. It was very attracted to piano, and we

1178
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 1: we just couldn't, you know, because you have to get

1179
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 1: a piano and just that just wouldn't happened. Then I

1180
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 1: wanted to play violin, very expensive instrument, and um, my

1181
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 1: mom thought it was masculine. I think she was just

1182
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 1: trying to get me out of not wanting anything that

1183
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 1: has going to cost money. So you know, I just

1184
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:21,560
Speaker 1: kind of, um we my mom bought me a little

1185
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 1: baby guitar from Tijuana, UM, for Christmas, and I just

1186
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:29,800
Speaker 1: started playing that. My brother John is extremely gifted in

1187
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 1: that area, and he got a guitar and he joined

1188
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:35,479
Speaker 1: a band and he was awesome. He had the hair,

1189
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 1: the chicks, all of it. And I'm like, I'm gonna

1190
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:40,480
Speaker 1: be like my brother. And so I just started, you know,

1191
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:44,080
Speaker 1: learning by ear and um. Then all of a sudden,

1192
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 1: I just was writing songs at like fifteen sixteen, and um,

1193
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 1: but I didn't think that was my thing because it

1194
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:54,480
Speaker 1: was so easy. Of course, that's not what you do.

1195
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 1: It's just this is part of me, like brushing my

1196
01:07:57,160 --> 01:08:01,560
Speaker 1: teeth whatever. Um, it wasn't until I'm to San Francisco

1197
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:04,840
Speaker 1: did I go, oh, I'm gonna be a rock star.

1198
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:07,520
Speaker 1: How old were you when you moved to San Francisco

1199
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:15,560
Speaker 1: with all these other family You're very successful, both in

1200
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 1: terms of celebrity and finance whatever. Anybody else in the

1201
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 1: family successful? And to what degree is to people in

1202
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:26,960
Speaker 1: your family hit you up for money? Um, I take

1203
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:31,240
Speaker 1: care of my mom. I always have. She doesn't hit

1204
01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:34,519
Speaker 1: me up. It's it is my joy to take care

1205
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:38,200
Speaker 1: of my mother. Um, I have a you know, a

1206
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:43,920
Speaker 1: couple siblings in there that may take advantage of the situation,

1207
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 1: but I throw boundaries down. Now. My brother John is

1208
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:51,599
Speaker 1: way more successful than I am because he is so

1209
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:54,559
Speaker 1: he has such a I mean, I have a now

1210
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:57,360
Speaker 1: that I have my family, But he I just watched him.

1211
01:08:57,439 --> 01:09:00,840
Speaker 1: He has a whole life, you know, he does all

1212
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 1: these things. I mean, I just kind of his life

1213
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:06,439
Speaker 1: seems so simple, and I find it to be so

1214
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:10,599
Speaker 1: successful because I don't even know what success is anymore.

1215
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:14,519
Speaker 1: I don't I don't understand when all this is going

1216
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:17,880
Speaker 1: to be enough? When when can I take my hat

1217
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:22,639
Speaker 1: off and just relax and take a break. So you've

1218
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:26,400
Speaker 1: had a lot of success, especially compared to people outside

1219
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 1: the business, never mind inside the business. Are you saying

1220
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:36,799
Speaker 1: it doesn't fill a hole in you? It is incredibly

1221
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 1: humbling for me, always my every day I wake up,

1222
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:46,240
Speaker 1: I'm very humbled. Um, I'm very humble. I'm very um.

1223
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:53,479
Speaker 1: I have a lot of gratitude and I um, I

1224
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:55,880
Speaker 1: just don't think I'm at the level that I would

1225
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 1: like to be at. And I guess some people would

1226
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:04,760
Speaker 1: say I'm successful you talk about business or emotionally just

1227
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:12,160
Speaker 1: with my my my career. Um, so let's just stay there.

1228
01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:15,479
Speaker 1: What is the dream? Because we're blue sky and it Well,

1229
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 1: that's the problem that every time I reached the dream,

1230
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 1: a new dreams shows up. So would have been some

1231
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:24,800
Speaker 1: of the past dreams? Oh to being a successful rock

1232
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:27,679
Speaker 1: and roll band and you know, sell millions of records

1233
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:32,479
Speaker 1: and tour and travel around the world. Okay, that was

1234
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:35,920
Speaker 1: that was very successful. You were all over MTV. How

1235
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 1: hard was it to leave for non blondes? Oh, it

1236
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:40,920
Speaker 1: wasn't easy at all. I mean I mean suscratch that

1237
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 1: sorry backwards flip it. It was very easy and you

1238
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:48,400
Speaker 1: felt that you would just go on to more success. No, no,

1239
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:51,320
Speaker 1: I didn't think that. I felt that I needed to

1240
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:55,759
Speaker 1: leave the band because it was a detour I wasn't

1241
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 1: supposed to. That was not my destiny. I felt my

1242
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:02,599
Speaker 1: my whole thing is. I felt that I was going

1243
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:05,240
Speaker 1: to be a rock star, no Matt with I was

1244
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:07,919
Speaker 1: gonna be famous with or without for an on Blondes.

1245
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 1: Sometimes I feel like, oh, if I didn't hop on

1246
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:14,040
Speaker 1: that boat, I wonder what would have happened. But I

1247
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:18,280
Speaker 1: don't live and wondering what ifs. So for me, leaving

1248
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 1: the band was extremely important because I needed to get

1249
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:24,759
Speaker 1: back on my path. My path was never to share

1250
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:28,759
Speaker 1: the stage with three other people. When I won my award,

1251
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:31,760
Speaker 1: I was bringing my mom on and when everybody else

1252
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:34,400
Speaker 1: started saying, Oh, I'm gonna bring my mom onto, it

1253
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 1: was like, wait, what, No, that's my dream. I A'm

1254
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:40,320
Speaker 1: bringing my mom on stage. You know, you guys, my

1255
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:43,360
Speaker 1: dream doesn't have you guys on stage with your mom's too,

1256
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:47,439
Speaker 1: you know, so literally, you know, I came back from

1257
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:50,840
Speaker 1: somewhere and I said I want to play Carnegie Hall.

1258
01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 1: I wanna. I want to look out on the audience

1259
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:58,680
Speaker 1: and see dresses and and tuxedos, and I want this

1260
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 1: incredible orchestra up behind me and this incredible band, and

1261
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:07,160
Speaker 1: I just want to be, you know, seeing in Carnegie Hall,

1262
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:10,280
Speaker 1: to just in this incredible people who are listening to

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01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Literally two weeks later, Roger Dalstree calls

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01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:17,559
Speaker 1: me up and asked me to participate in this fiftieth

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01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:22,880
Speaker 1: Birthday at Carnegie Hall with Michael Caman conducting. You know

1266
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:27,599
Speaker 1: this anything about Michael After doing Mr Holland's Opus film,

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01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:31,559
Speaker 1: he started a foundation to give instruments to underprivileged people.

1268
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:35,600
Speaker 1: And my girlfriend runs that interesting how it comes to okay,

1269
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 1: but okay. One dream was to be a rock star.

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01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:40,559
Speaker 1: One dream was to be on Carnegie Hole. Well its

1271
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:43,400
Speaker 1: been some of the recent dreams. Um. Well, right now

1272
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:48,799
Speaker 1: I'm really working hard to My dream is that when

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01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:52,400
Speaker 1: my son, which is, like I said, four years old,

1274
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:55,400
Speaker 1: that is showing interest in music right now, he's he's

1275
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:57,720
Speaker 1: writing songs like him and I lay in bed and

1276
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:01,800
Speaker 1: we make up songs and he's singing all day long.

1277
01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:05,760
Speaker 1: You know, I can cry right now thinking about it.

1278
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:08,400
Speaker 1: Like he I know, he's desk. I mean, I didn't

1279
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:11,599
Speaker 1: have this child. My wife is not musical at all,

1280
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:15,000
Speaker 1: and she had him. There's not a musical bone in

1281
01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:19,120
Speaker 1: that woman's body, you know. But this this kid is

1282
01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:23,280
Speaker 1: my child, you know, and he My dream is that

1283
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:28,160
Speaker 1: when he decides to be in this business, that there

1284
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:31,280
Speaker 1: is a business for him to come to. There's a

1285
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:35,799
Speaker 1: uh talking about the business the studio or music in general,

1286
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:39,160
Speaker 1: music in general, that there is a lucrative business for

1287
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:42,320
Speaker 1: him to or or you know, to have a career

1288
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:46,240
Speaker 1: or two or an audience that's gonna listen. That that

1289
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 1: that you know, um uh, holograms aren't taking over the

1290
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:55,559
Speaker 1: you know, who fucking knows? Man, who fucking knows that

1291
01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 1: fucking fifteen years from now, instead of wasting our time

1292
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:02,519
Speaker 1: with artists, Oh there's such trouble and it costs so

1293
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:06,760
Speaker 1: much money. I'm just going to buy your likeness and

1294
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 1: I'm just going to you know, pod you down onto

1295
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:14,400
Speaker 1: a fucking stage. And that's what's gonna be. The new

1296
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:18,760
Speaker 1: normal is seeing anybody that you want, anywhere you want,

1297
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:22,280
Speaker 1: because there what is that fucking your three D hologram

1298
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 1: of whatever artists that you want? That's going to be

1299
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:28,360
Speaker 1: the new thing. I'm I actually feel it's actually in

1300
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:31,160
Speaker 1: the process of being made right now. It has to

1301
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 1: be the only the only interesting thing is Generation Z

1302
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:38,639
Speaker 1: and the Millennials are really into experiences, and I find

1303
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:44,719
Speaker 1: what resonates most is authentic stuff. People with credibility playing

1304
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:47,560
Speaker 1: real instruments on the same time, and I totally understand E.

1305
01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:51,120
Speaker 1: D C. Meaning the Electric Daisy Carnival. With that, there's

1306
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:53,599
Speaker 1: a lot of experimentation, but in between, there's a lot

1307
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:58,679
Speaker 1: of crap, you know. There again, I'm I love all music,

1308
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:01,760
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong. I love it all, you know,

1309
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:05,760
Speaker 1: all of it. And I appreciate anybody who can write

1310
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:11,000
Speaker 1: a song and and that a good song, a decent song. Um.

1311
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:13,800
Speaker 1: But my dream is to be able to do the

1312
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:17,080
Speaker 1: groundwork right now. I I gotta I gotta start working

1313
01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:19,479
Speaker 1: right now. You know, there's a lot of a lot

1314
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:23,639
Speaker 1: of miles to cover to make sure you know that

1315
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:27,639
Speaker 1: there is uh, you know, a business sort of say

1316
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:30,000
Speaker 1: for him to jump on stage and go and do this.

1317
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:32,679
Speaker 1: And mind you, I believe an artist as an artist

1318
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:35,559
Speaker 1: and you can perform in your garage or anywhere you want.

1319
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:39,080
Speaker 1: Money should not be the driving force of any artists.

1320
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:42,840
Speaker 1: And that's what I teach my kids, and that's what

1321
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:45,920
Speaker 1: I always tell them. Don't go into this business if

1322
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:48,679
Speaker 1: you think you're gonna go make millions of dollars, because then,

1323
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:51,800
Speaker 1: right now then your intention is wrong. You're going in

1324
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:55,040
Speaker 1: with the wrong intention. Go into it because your heart

1325
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:59,679
Speaker 1: can't be anywhere else. Go into this because your heart,

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01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:03,600
Speaker 1: it would break if you weren't singing or performing or

1327
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 1: playing music or writing or playing piano for somebody. If

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01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:11,519
Speaker 1: your heart is breaking because you're not there, then that

1329
01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:14,560
Speaker 1: is the right time. That's when you're you mentioned earlier.

1330
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 1: You know you're working very hard. You're burning the candle

1331
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:19,840
Speaker 1: on both ends. You'd like to take off your hat

1332
01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:23,920
Speaker 1: and relax. The You're always wearing a hat. What's up

1333
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:32,360
Speaker 1: with that? Well, Bob, I've always loved hats. I hate

1334
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:35,200
Speaker 1: my hair. I do have hair, but I can't stand it.

1335
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:39,479
Speaker 1: I've had dreads, I've had mohawks, I've had mullets, I've

1336
01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:43,479
Speaker 1: had them all, and hats just make me feel good.

1337
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:47,960
Speaker 1: And I do also think I'm extremely sensitive, so I

1338
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:53,720
Speaker 1: think I psychically feel like my hat covers my my

1339
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:57,880
Speaker 1: spiritual like you know, vessel or channel or whatever you

1340
01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:01,439
Speaker 1: want to call it um, And so it's kind of

1341
01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:04,040
Speaker 1: a protection. And I take off my hat when I

1342
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:07,040
Speaker 1: go home, and my son always knows. Is like, if

1343
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:10,840
Speaker 1: I take off my hat, he knows I'm home. But

1344
01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:14,160
Speaker 1: if I leave my hat on, he knows I'm going somewhere. Okay,

1345
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:17,280
Speaker 1: So essentially, when you leave the house, there's never a

1346
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:20,320
Speaker 1: time you leave without the hat. What if you go

1347
01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:22,720
Speaker 1: on vacation with your kids, I have my head on.

1348
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:26,439
Speaker 1: I don't do First of all, Bob, I don't do vacation.

1349
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 1: I haven't had a vacation in in years. You know,

1350
01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:32,280
Speaker 1: you feel like you're missing something, but when you come back,

1351
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:35,200
Speaker 1: you have an incredible burst of inspiration. Yeah no, I

1352
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 1: know that, and um, but I honestly, I love my family.

1353
01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:43,760
Speaker 1: I love being home, and I love I love what

1354
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:45,839
Speaker 1: I do. I like I don't feel like i'm working.

1355
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:48,519
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm one of those people that are, like,

1356
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:52,800
Speaker 1: you know, at Disneyland fucking seven. And it's like I'm

1357
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 1: waiting to get kicked out. And until I'm kicked out,

1358
01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:57,599
Speaker 1: I'm going to stay in here and take as much

1359
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:00,280
Speaker 1: advantage of all these rides as I possibly can. And

1360
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:03,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna know all of them inside it out. And

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01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:07,160
Speaker 1: I feel like a measure of success for me is

1362
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:17,160
Speaker 1: when I, you know, die. Basically, you have hit blonde,

1363
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:19,760
Speaker 1: you leave for blondes, and at some point you transition

1364
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:23,519
Speaker 1: to not being a performer and being a songwriter. Tell

1365
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:26,320
Speaker 1: me about that. That was super easy because I didn't

1366
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:28,880
Speaker 1: like performing. I don't I don't, Bob, I don't like

1367
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:31,320
Speaker 1: being told what to do. Let's just be clear with

1368
01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:35,120
Speaker 1: that as an artist. As an artist, I was being

1369
01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:37,960
Speaker 1: told what to do, where to go, and I was

1370
01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:41,800
Speaker 1: I was fucking cattled and proud all the time. And

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01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:46,200
Speaker 1: that did not sit well with me. And when I perform,

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01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:49,360
Speaker 1: I wanted to be a special you know time where

1373
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:51,880
Speaker 1: I'm feeling it and then you know, you there's those

1374
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:54,720
Speaker 1: times you just have to perform because you're obligated to

1375
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:56,400
Speaker 1: do that and you made the commitment. I get it.

1376
01:18:56,479 --> 01:19:01,400
Speaker 1: I'm doing that fine. And it just didn't I don't know.

1377
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:05,960
Speaker 1: My ego didn't need it. My ego felt like, you

1378
01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:09,679
Speaker 1: know what, I'm good? Do you miss it? Now? Okay?

1379
01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:13,240
Speaker 1: So how do you uh become a writer with other

1380
01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:16,360
Speaker 1: or four other people? I just started writing songs and

1381
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:18,920
Speaker 1: then I played a song to Pink and then all

1382
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:22,600
Speaker 1: of a sudden, Bam, I'm the biggest songwriter, you know,

1383
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:25,400
Speaker 1: the person to call because I had a very successful

1384
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:27,720
Speaker 1: you know she you know, the thing is is like

1385
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:31,559
Speaker 1: Alicia had, you know, her biggest was like I think

1386
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:35,040
Speaker 1: she sold maybe one point eight million records as the

1387
01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:38,400
Speaker 1: R and b bling bling ching ching, and when I

1388
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:41,920
Speaker 1: showed up, I changed everything about you know, and she

1389
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:44,400
Speaker 1: sold I think twelve million records right off the bat.

1390
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 1: So that's pretty successful. And I think that of course

1391
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 1: people are gonna call me. And then Christina I had

1392
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:53,160
Speaker 1: a big hit with her, and then Gwen and then

1393
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:56,439
Speaker 1: Alicia Keys and you know, everything's just kind of started.

1394
01:19:56,479 --> 01:19:59,719
Speaker 1: But my biggest hits were those you know, the phone

1395
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:02,160
Speaker 1: ring as much or the email coming in as much

1396
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:05,840
Speaker 1: as it has at other previous times when you've had hits.

1397
01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:10,040
Speaker 1: Now yeah, so people are looking for you. So how

1398
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:12,400
Speaker 1: do you decide what to work on? Well, I'm very

1399
01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:16,240
Speaker 1: particular right now. I'm so focused on my artists. In

1400
01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:19,439
Speaker 1: our label. We have Natasha Benningfield. I just wrote a

1401
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:21,840
Speaker 1: really great and produced a really great record with her.

1402
01:20:22,439 --> 01:20:25,519
Speaker 1: We we jelled so well in the studio and I

1403
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:29,840
Speaker 1: mean it's a great album. So we're very excited about that.

1404
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:33,160
Speaker 1: She signed who we are here? And um, we have

1405
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:36,240
Speaker 1: an artist named Jesse Joe Stark and she's a new

1406
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:40,280
Speaker 1: artist but very very cool, really great vibe, and all

1407
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:43,519
Speaker 1: of our artists don't need Linda, and that's what we

1408
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:46,280
Speaker 1: look for. I have an artist that I found her

1409
01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:48,519
Speaker 1: when she was twelve. Her name is will m I.

1410
01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:51,720
Speaker 1: She's fifteen now. She just played Ellen, just played the

1411
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:55,800
Speaker 1: Today Show. I didn't write a thing. I just helped her,

1412
01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:59,559
Speaker 1: so me and my partner Kerry, and then we have

1413
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:02,720
Speaker 1: about eleven people that work with us. So you're not

1414
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:05,719
Speaker 1: aligned with any of the majors. No, only in Europe.

1415
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:08,879
Speaker 1: We had to And now you're talking about making albums

1416
01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:11,720
Speaker 1: in today's internet. We own a record pressing plant, by

1417
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:16,120
Speaker 1: the way, so we print vinyl. Okay, without getting into vinyl.

1418
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:20,439
Speaker 1: How do you feel about albums relative to singles? I

1419
01:21:20,479 --> 01:21:24,439
Speaker 1: could really give a ship about a single. I don't

1420
01:21:24,439 --> 01:21:27,680
Speaker 1: even understand what a single means nowadays anyways, it's like

1421
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:32,960
Speaker 1: every label wants to put out a single every other week,

1422
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:38,600
Speaker 1: it seems, or every week. Um, nobody is again preserving

1423
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:42,919
Speaker 1: the art of you know, an album and the reason

1424
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:45,799
Speaker 1: why everybody's running in fear right now is because nobody's

1425
01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:49,920
Speaker 1: making albums. They don't understand how to those those I

1426
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:57,080
Speaker 1: think people forget that the single is the main character. Okay,

1427
01:21:57,280 --> 01:21:59,719
Speaker 1: let's put it in a movie mode, right, the single

1428
01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:03,360
Speaker 1: is the main care that's your big actor. That's your

1429
01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:07,519
Speaker 1: Hollywood actor right there. And then the co actor, what

1430
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:11,240
Speaker 1: do you call him? Is you know your other big star?

1431
01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:15,720
Speaker 1: So that's your second single, is right? But then in

1432
01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:18,000
Speaker 1: order to make a great movie you have to have

1433
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:24,640
Speaker 1: a great cast. Well, I'll get a great support the album.

1434
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:28,760
Speaker 1: And without that cast and that story, well, I would

1435
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:32,200
Speaker 1: say with streaming, it's about the body of work. If

1436
01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:34,759
Speaker 1: someone listens to a song they like, they'll go deeper

1437
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:38,479
Speaker 1: and deeper. Yes, so I'm not sure I understand. Once

1438
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 1: you get in the groove, you're making an album. But

1439
01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:44,840
Speaker 1: the problem is we live in an attention based economy,

1440
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:47,400
Speaker 1: and if you put out an album and you don't

1441
01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:50,920
Speaker 1: do something for a year or two, then you don't

1442
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:53,800
Speaker 1: have the same top of mine. That's not true. That's

1443
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:57,280
Speaker 1: not true. That's what we're told, but that's not true.

1444
01:22:57,320 --> 01:23:00,200
Speaker 1: I mean, let's just take Adell for instance, A l

1445
01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:02,479
Speaker 1: disappeared for three years. I think it took for her

1446
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:10,439
Speaker 1: to from from nineteen to one. But I would I

1447
01:23:10,479 --> 01:23:14,040
Speaker 1: mean that was a big and then that album broke

1448
01:23:14,240 --> 01:23:17,799
Speaker 1: all major records out there. I would agree with your point,

1449
01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:20,840
Speaker 1: but I would shift it to another point. There's only

1450
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:24,799
Speaker 1: one Adele. Why is that? She is a good singer.

1451
01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:28,120
Speaker 1: Most of the songs have melody. No one else is

1452
01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:31,680
Speaker 1: doing that exactly. No one else, how come is doing it?

1453
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:35,479
Speaker 1: So how come no one else follows? Because Adele is

1454
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:41,120
Speaker 1: a rare situation because she doesn't care. She doesn't care

1455
01:23:41,240 --> 01:23:45,040
Speaker 1: for label saying I need an album out now, she says,

1456
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:48,679
Speaker 1: fuck you. I'll give you an album when I'm ready. Now.

1457
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:54,240
Speaker 1: Most people are afraid. They're operating from fear. So when

1458
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:57,839
Speaker 1: so and so tells their artists, I need an album

1459
01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:01,479
Speaker 1: next week through she okay, I don't want to get

1460
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:04,759
Speaker 1: dropped out of blah blah blah blah. They run operate everything.

1461
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:07,840
Speaker 1: Everything is operated and fucking fear. Right now, it's a

1462
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 1: fear based business. That's why it's it's it's in the

1463
01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:14,200
Speaker 1: condition that it's in. Now. You've got this new breed

1464
01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:17,479
Speaker 1: of kids that are coming in that are going back

1465
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:21,200
Speaker 1: that like bands like Greta Van Fleet because they love Zeppelin,

1466
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:25,320
Speaker 1: you know. Now, I don't know Greta Van Fleet, I

1467
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:30,559
Speaker 1: know Zeppelin, but I'm pretty impressed that those guys came

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Speaker 1: into the picture during a time when rock and roll

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01:24:33,439 --> 01:24:36,720
Speaker 1: was very, very dead and no guitars, and they're like

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01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:40,599
Speaker 1: blew up and you know, and so what they did

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01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:44,679
Speaker 1: is reintroduced guitars, and so now there's guitars coming back.

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Speaker 1: Albums are gonna come back, Bob. I'm telling you, they're

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01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:53,559
Speaker 1: coming back. Artists, rock stars are coming. Vinyl is here

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01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:57,639
Speaker 1: and very alive, and there's a lot of things going

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01:24:57,680 --> 01:25:00,759
Speaker 1: on there that a lot of people are are don't

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01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:04,680
Speaker 1: know about with vinyl. You know, labels are looking at

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01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:08,360
Speaker 1: vinyl right now as the ticket out of giving their

1478
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:12,320
Speaker 1: artists something an edge. You know, it's like a fucking edge.

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01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:16,479
Speaker 1: It's a fucking album, dick head. You know that's what

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01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:19,960
Speaker 1: an album is. The album they're calling an album now

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01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:24,520
Speaker 1: the okay, would you consider yourself to be an optimistic

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01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:27,800
Speaker 1: person or a pessimistic person? I am fucking both, man,

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01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:31,400
Speaker 1: I'm like the most I am. I am both because

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01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:34,920
Speaker 1: I love music and I have to believe that it's

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01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:38,639
Speaker 1: it's gonna be okay. And mind you, this is again,

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01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:41,639
Speaker 1: it's just my opinion. I mean, people could be listening

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01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:44,120
Speaker 1: right now, going what's she talking about? Sucking music is

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01:25:44,160 --> 01:25:46,160
Speaker 1: thriving in the best and there's so many great bands,

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01:25:46,200 --> 01:25:49,599
Speaker 1: and you're probably right, But in my world, I'm seeing

1490
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:52,200
Speaker 1: it different. You and I are not looking at this

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01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:55,640
Speaker 1: room the same at all. There's no there's it's impossible

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01:25:55,720 --> 01:25:58,400
Speaker 1: for you and I to see this room exactly in

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01:25:58,439 --> 01:26:01,799
Speaker 1: the same perspective, same point of you. We are looking

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01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:05,040
Speaker 1: and walking in life on a daily basis, seeing the

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01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:09,600
Speaker 1: exact same things very different. This is my perspective. My

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01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:14,080
Speaker 1: perspective is I see a very we're walking a very

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01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:16,720
Speaker 1: fine line right now of where we can go and

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01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:19,240
Speaker 1: if we don't raise the bar, and if we don't

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01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:21,880
Speaker 1: start telling these kids to raise the bar, because I'm

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Speaker 1: going to be that person. I'm gonna be the person

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01:26:24,760 --> 01:26:27,120
Speaker 1: that's telling people to raise the bar, that we need

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01:26:27,160 --> 01:26:29,880
Speaker 1: to be better. And you can laugh at me, or

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01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:31,840
Speaker 1: you can tell me that the bar is being raised,

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01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:34,479
Speaker 1: and that's great. You be that person to tell everybody

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01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:37,960
Speaker 1: everything's okay. But I'm gonna be telling everybody everything will

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01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:40,680
Speaker 1: be okay if we start raising the bar, if we

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01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:43,760
Speaker 1: start the Beatles are the Beatles, because no one's ever

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01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:47,200
Speaker 1: beaten the Beatles. We've only gone down and down and

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01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:50,600
Speaker 1: down and down and down. You know, Oasis is the

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01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:53,360
Speaker 1: first band I ever saw that try to actually say

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01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:56,000
Speaker 1: they were better than the Beatles, and I fucking love

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01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:59,240
Speaker 1: them for that. I love those guys for that. What

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01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:03,559
Speaker 1: fucking alls? Okay, I think we've come to the end

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Speaker 1: of the feeling we've known. We could literally go on forever.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for talking to me until next time.

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Speaker 1: That's Linda Perry on the Bob Left Sets podcast. Thank you.