1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George 2 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 2: Armstrong and Getty and now he Armstrong and Getty. 4 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 3: Meantime, the Wall Street Journal reports the Pentagon is considering 5 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 3: sending an additional ten thousand troops to the region. That's 6 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 3: in addition to the fifteen hundred paratroopers from the eighty 7 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 3: second Airborne to be mobilized for the war. It's not 8 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 3: clear which division the troops would be drawn from. 9 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what that brings the total number 10 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 2: two that's being sent there, but we're definitely getting more 11 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 2: boots that can be on the ground in the area. 12 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 4: And this conflict certainly has the potential to become the 13 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 4: biggest story of our lives. Jack and I'm both amazed 14 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 4: at how little attention is being paid by a lot 15 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 4: of media. But there's a discussion for another moment. Right now, 16 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 4: let's talk to military analyst Mike Lyons, who joins us. 17 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 4: Mike killo, how are you hey? 18 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 5: Come oney, guys, great to be back. 19 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 2: As boots get closer to the ground, what are your concerns? 20 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 6: You know, I still want to keep the air war going, 21 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 6: the air campaign going. 22 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 5: I don't think we've hit enough targets. 23 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 6: I guess over ten thousand, but there's still lots of 24 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 6: military targets, lots of targets of opportunity to go after 25 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,199 Speaker 6: and continue to use that as. 26 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 5: A way to degrade and to. 27 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 6: Put pressure on this regime to try to get them 28 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 6: to a point where they will agree to something reasonable 29 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 6: or you could see what they put out so far, 30 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 6: it's completely unreasonable. I know we're working a seve Wick 31 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 6: Coops fifteen point plan which resembles like they did in Gaza, 32 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 6: but there's no such thing as a fifteen point successful 33 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 6: piece plan anywhere. So again, I have no problem keeping 34 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 6: the military aspects going, but there will likely be soldiers 35 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 6: at some point that will have to be deployed for 36 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 6: a couple different reasons. One to get the half a 37 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 6: ton of depleted or enrich dream out of there and 38 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 6: perhaps make it a show of force to make sure 39 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 6: that you know we have some visible sign of victory. 40 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 4: Based on what you've read and heard, how likely do 41 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 4: you think it is we'll take a shot at taking 42 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 4: carg Island. 43 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 6: Well, that would be the most easiest way for this 44 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 6: administration to get a victory, to get a visual, a 45 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:18,959 Speaker 6: visual on what's going on. But I do think that 46 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 6: there's RGC units dug in there. It's heavily defended. I 47 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 6: don't think we'll go there anytime soon. In fact, we 48 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:28,519 Speaker 6: could continue to vomit for three more weeks or so. 49 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 6: And I don't see the Marines launching a D Day 50 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:32,399 Speaker 6: type invasion there. 51 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 5: I don't see that. 52 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 6: I think if we do, it's Army Rangers and Delta 53 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 6: kind of occupying it. If if you remember back Mogadishu 54 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 6: kind of fast roping. I think that's the air assault 55 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 6: airborne way to do that from a military perspective. Getting 56 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 6: a little bit inside baseball here, but I think it 57 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 6: would be important. And I think, you know, look, we're 58 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 6: really good at fighting wars, right the United States is 59 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 6: great at fighting wars, but we've not been really good 60 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 6: at waging wars. And doing something like that. Taking carg 61 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 6: Island and taking over Irinians oil refineries would be a 62 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 6: good way to wage war. That would be the kind 63 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 6: of thing that would make a real difference. 64 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 7: Now. 65 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 6: I know a lot of people would be screaming about 66 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 6: war crimes and civilians all these other things, but this 67 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 6: is what waging war is all about. This is what 68 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 6: close which would say, is how a country has to 69 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 6: expect if it wants to win. If we just want 70 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 6: to again while owen ovacaine and not do what we 71 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 6: did for the past two conflicts, then we'll get nothing done. 72 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 6: But this administration is dogs didn't doing that. 73 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 2: So you brought up that whole idea of securing nuclear material. 74 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 2: That seems like a heck of a job to me. 75 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 2: I mean, and they're going to have to go to 76 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 2: these areas that we just bombed the but Jesus out 77 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 2: of and get some dump trucks and some back hos 78 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 2: and start digging and while protecting it. I mean, what's 79 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 2: that going to look like? 80 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I don't know. 81 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 6: It's going to take intel first from Israel that will 82 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 6: likely know where it's stored, to find out where it 83 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 6: is and then find out how difficult it's going to 84 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 6: be to extract is it undergrounds it has it been 85 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 6: in case already entombed in some cases, Whether that mission 86 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 6: is plausible or not, that would be you know, we 87 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 6: want to get to IMEA, the the international you know 88 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 6: community involved with that mission if that's possible. But you're 89 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 6: not putting that, you know, in the back of a 90 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 6: Special Forces helicopter and getting in and getting out and 91 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 6: doing that mission. That's a long, you know, really difficult 92 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 6: engineering problem set to solve, and I think the you know, 93 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 6: probably solved after the conflict is officially over on some level. 94 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 5: But that would be another one of those. 95 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 6: Signs that the president could point to and say this 96 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 6: is why we're victorious. 97 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. 98 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 4: On one more note, I've heard that it is extremely 99 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 4: dangerous and volatile stuff to deal with, as you might 100 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 4: expect how you're fined uranium. 101 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, exactly. 102 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 6: I mean the protection alone of the forces would be overwhelming, exactly. 103 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 4: Hey, Mike, another discussion we've had a number of times 104 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 4: on the show is that how in the TikTok world 105 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 4: everybody expects things to be wrapped up within seventy two 106 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 4: hours or they think, you know, it's gone wrong. Talk 107 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 4: to us, as a veteran of combat and a student 108 00:04:56,320 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 4: of military history, where are we timeline in a very 109 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 4: significant and I would argue important more. 110 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, yeah, the fallacy of a short war 111 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 6: is that thing we've seen in this century, in the 112 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 6: last century, based on Desert Storm, about how fast that happened, 113 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 6: But that was just the ground aspect of it. What's 114 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 6: forgotten over the thirty seven or thirty eight days of 115 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 6: the air pounding that took place, and we still had 116 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 6: to send ground troops in order to kind of clean 117 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 6: that up. In this case. You know, we had four 118 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 6: times the amount of air sorties that will flowed during 119 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 6: Desert Storm there, and we're still doing a lot here. 120 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 6: But from the grand scheme of things, I think it 121 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 6: lulled Latimer Putin, for example, unto a false sense of security, 122 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:39,679 Speaker 6: thinking he was going to take Ukraine very quickly. 123 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 5: Just he forgot to. 124 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 6: Figure out how to wait, to take his forces and 125 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 6: multiply them and combine them. But that's another thing. But 126 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 6: in the grand scheme of things, fast wars just don't happen, 127 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 6: and they're not easily resolved. And Desert Storm was an 128 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 6: unfortunate example of when it did happen that a lot 129 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 6: of people point to and say, why, why can't we 130 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 6: do something similar there? Which is why again this goes 131 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 6: on for many months and this administration, I'm sure we'll 132 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 6: protect its forces. I think the number they have on 133 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 6: their board right now is thirteen. You know how many 134 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 6: Kia at this point, and the objective is to keep 135 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 6: that low, which again to me, you think back when 136 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 6: we were doing Vietnam, we were sending one hundred and 137 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 6: fifty bodies and body bags back every week and no 138 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 6: one blinked an eye about it. So again, protection of 139 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 6: the force is going to be important. But we could 140 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 6: still see this conflict go for for months. 141 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:28,679 Speaker 2: So they talked about that clip we played ten thousand 142 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 2: more troops being sent over there to join up with 143 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 2: fifteen hundred this or that. Do you expect that number 144 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 2: to go way up? I mean, the reporting today from 145 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 2: all the sources I really trust is Trump is hell 146 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 2: bent on We're going to pound them until they surrender, 147 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 2: or we're going to take what we want. We're just 148 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 2: going to take it from them, isn't Is that going 149 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 2: to take like a really big number of troops. Should 150 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 2: we be prepared for that? 151 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: No? 152 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 6: I think that's where again, not sending large formations, not 153 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 6: sending the first Armor Division, three hundred main battle tanks, 154 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 6: t and forty brads, we're not sending the logis six 155 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 6: that goes with that kind of the tail of that 156 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 6: kind of operation is just unsustainable and there's really no 157 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 6: way to get it there. Now at this point, the 158 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 6: light infantry units will go Tense Mountain Division for example, 159 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 6: that's not in the Rapid Deployment Force with the eighty 160 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 6: second the Rangers Delta that those guys that move fast. 161 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 6: But that's another division that can kind of get in 162 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 6: there and get out. There's an airborne unit in Alaska 163 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 6: that could probably go. They're just looking for again, getting 164 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 6: troops in there, low logistics that can sustain themselves, don't 165 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 6: need lots of things to go with them, take control 166 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 6: of something and then hold it for a certain period 167 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 6: of time. Again, go back to if we decide to 168 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 6: take the refineries, which I think would be a tremendous 169 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 6: military target right now, and I think hopefully they're working 170 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 6: on that. I think that cripples around takes their ability 171 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 6: to generate revenue and puts the United States to control 172 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 6: of that oil resource. Now again, the world's going to scream, 173 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 6: you know, the imperialistic you know Americans are doing it again. 174 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 6: But that's the way to get this war to stop. 175 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 6: That's waging war against the country fighting it. 176 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 2: Mike. 177 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 4: My final question is when you look at Iran's defense forces, 178 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 4: have you heard of or seen any signs that there 179 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 4: might be cracks in the loyalty or serious breakdowns in 180 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 4: command and control. 181 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 6: So no, and have seen us go after a beastiege targets, 182 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 6: which surprised me. I thought that you were going to. 183 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 5: See it there. 184 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 6: I'd read previous incidents that the besiege would have somewhat 185 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 6: turned against the IRGC because they were conflicting each other. 186 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 5: It's kind of like big brother or little brother within 187 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:32,199 Speaker 5: the country. But it doesn't look like that's happened. 188 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 6: It's looked that the besiege is still well aligned with 189 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 6: the IRGC. The besiege think of the besiege is local 190 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 6: police DHSS, you know, kind of not true military forces, 191 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 6: but having control of the security. They're the ones that 192 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 6: are there. They're killing the civilians right now that are 193 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 6: protesting and they have become a target, so that that's 194 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 6: been disappointing. But haven't seen the breakdown yet. I mean again, 195 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 6: they've been dug in for forty seven years, they've been 196 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 6: someone planning for this for forty seven years, and the 197 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 6: IRGC is just not going away anytime yet. We We're 198 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 6: not at the level where someone finally says enough's enough 199 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 6: again because we haven't waged war we've just continued to fight. 200 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 4: Mike, just fantastic, best analysis I've heard anywhere, and we 201 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 4: sure appreciate the time and the energy you put into it. 202 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 5: Thanks great, Thanks for having me. 203 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, that whole wage war versus fight war. I'm gonna 204 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 2: have to spend more time looking into all that. That's 205 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 2: really interesting. 206 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 4: Seriously, Mike's analysis is so much better than anything else 207 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 4: you hear. 208 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 2: Ough, so good. I have there no military background and 209 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 2: only what I've read about wars. I do know something 210 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 2: about the media, though, and so like I'm looking up 211 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 2: at the headlines on what is that? Good morning America? 212 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 2: Stocks plunge, oil rises, on Iran war fears, which is 213 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 2: true enough, but the drum beat of that sort of thing. 214 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 2: Has there ever been in the history of the world 215 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 2: a country go to war and your media, or maybe 216 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 2: even the pre media era, I don't even know who 217 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 2: you'd be talking about the I don't know, village elders 218 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 2: or whatever, bad mouthing, bad mouthing their own efforts and exaggerating, 219 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 2: making you know, positive things look like a failure. I mean, 220 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 2: has that ever happened? I don't know if it has 221 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 2: ever happened. Honest to god, you know history of the world, 222 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 2: including like if you've got an Indian tribe going over 223 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 2: to fight the next tribe on the other side of 224 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 2: the hill, and everybody's standing around saying, aye, I heard, 225 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 2: it's going horrible and as you can see, food is 226 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 2: getting scared. So it's a disaster. When when all the 227 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 2: facts on the ground are it's going fairly. 228 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 4: Well, everything is clickbait and or narrative reinforcement, which is clickbait. 229 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 4: Everything is clickbait in media. We really try to avoid that. 230 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 4: It's probably a strategic mistake, but we're too stubborn to change. 231 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 2: But sure interesting culturally, yeah, you know, and sometimes it 232 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 2: probably was isn't good. What the Brits were doing in 233 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 2: the Boer War wasn't wasn't the greatest thing in order, 234 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:07,559 Speaker 2: you know, God help you, who was it. 235 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 4: I didn't pay attention to the Boer War, you know, 236 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 4: I too boring Belgium and what they did to King Leopold. 237 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 4: I mean, look into that sometime, but their own media 238 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 4: wouldn't have been reporting that because they weren't allowed to 239 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 4: s which is probably isn't good. But regardless, I don't 240 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 4: know if it's ever happened where a country's gone to war, 241 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 4: and you have media at home giving you the worst 242 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 4: case scenario as a drum beat. So I'm looking at 243 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 4: the markets right now, and the S and P was 244 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,559 Speaker 4: down about one and a quarter percent, it's now bounced 245 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 4: back to desk and being down three quarters of a percent, 246 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 4: and the Nasdaq is down about one percent, having also 247 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 4: bounced back. So the idea that you would go with 248 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 4: as a responsible news organization which plunge right exactly, that 249 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 4: you would use that verbiage is hilarious. It's clickbait, period, 250 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 4: although it does affect people's minds and their hearts and attitudes. 251 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 2: About what were up to as a country. Well, if 252 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 2: you had a really good media and you know you 253 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:02,959 Speaker 2: can't expect this, but they would give you some context. 254 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 2: A point a percentage and a half drop in the 255 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 2: stock market in one day doesn't mean a freaking thing. 256 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 2: It means zero. There's so many factors that go into 257 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 2: a percentage jumper down for one day. To draw any 258 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 2: analysis from madis. 259 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 4: Insane unless you just had on your calendar, I'm going 260 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 4: to cash out all of my investments to retire on 261 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 4: this day. Well, number one, you need a better financial advisor, right, right, 262 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 4: better media. 263 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's something anyway, Any thoughts on any of that 264 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 2: text line four one five two nine five KFTC. 265 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 7: Major League Baseball, the Dodgers hosted the Diamondbacks at Dodgers Stadium. 266 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 2: The Dogs LA is trying to win their third straight 267 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 2: World Series. 268 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 7: Dodgers right now are kind of like the Chicago Bulls 269 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 7: from the nineties, except they have three Michael Jordan's and 270 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 7: they're all Japanese. 271 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,599 Speaker 2: Mmm. I don't know if you signed the clips of 272 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 2: Savannah Guthrie did an interview for the first time. The 273 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 2: interesting thing to me was she's going to return to 274 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:15,079 Speaker 2: the Today Show April sixth, so next Friday. I didn't. 275 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 2: I didn't think she'd ever come back after that. I 276 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:18,839 Speaker 2: don't know if I could. 277 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 8: She's blaming she's blaming herself for her mom's Yeah that's 278 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 8: too bad. 279 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 4: Well, her fame. I guess that's too bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 280 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 4: I can't. I have no idea how I would process 281 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 4: that and what I would do. 282 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 2: You know. Two months later, completely different topic, they found 283 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 2: a second sphinx buried under the sand in Egypt. You 284 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 2: know the stak, the big old the lion with a 285 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:49,959 Speaker 2: pharaoh's head or whatever the heck that thing is that 286 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 2: the snake tailor Napoleon blew the nose off of it. 287 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,199 Speaker 2: That's why it looks like that. Thanks Napoleon, You jackass, 288 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 2: couldn't you jackass? Anyway, they found another one buried under 289 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 2: the sand, suggesting a megas structure of many pyramids and 290 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 2: sphinxes that might exist under the sand. Still, I would 291 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:11,439 Speaker 2: have thought we'd have had some sort of X ray 292 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 2: technology or something where we could have figured that out 293 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 2: by now. 294 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 4: Apparently, Yeah, given all the antiquities and riches and everything. 295 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 4: On the other hand, maybe the pharaoh just had a 296 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 4: Bogo coupon them. Buy one, get one by one's finx, 297 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 4: get one free. 298 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 2: Who knows. 299 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 4: Jimmy the sphinx maker was struggling for business so started 300 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 4: sending no coupons. 301 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 2: Think about all the slaves whose entire lives were toiling 302 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 2: in the hot sun to build those things. 303 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 4: For one's things up there, and just bury the other 304 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 4: one and we'll grab it when we needed well, I'll 305 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 4: remember it's there. 306 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 2: That's how it went. Some sort of super giant complex though, 307 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 2: Oh that would be amazing. A's who I was said 308 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago, and I'm not to drag 309 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 2: the Iran war back into this, but if the Middle 310 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 2: East became like Europe, God, there's a lot of great 311 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 2: too destinations there. No, I might just move there for 312 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 2: a year, maybe two. Check out all this two stuff. Yeah, 313 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 2: mentioned Trump's gonna put his signature on the money. Usually 314 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 2: the Secretary of Treasury sens signs all the money, but 315 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 2: it's gonna be Trumps signature. And then there's also a 316 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 2: gold coin coming out with his face on it. I 317 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 2: heard that on MS Now is that true? 318 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 4: I didn't hear people on currency? Is that Is that 319 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 4: a real rule or did you? That's the Joe Getty rule. 320 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 4: That's myral. No, I think it's federal law, but I 321 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 4: can't be sure. I mean, it's the sort of thing 322 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 4: you learn as an eight year old. 323 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 2: I'm not sure I care. I don't. I don't rank 324 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 2: these up to the level of caring. 325 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 4: So these sort of Trump's self aggrandizement is already so 326 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 4: far beyond my comprehension and ability to believe it. That's 327 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 4: one more thing, would just be one more thing. 328 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 2: But does he feel like putting his name on the 329 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 2: Kennedy Art Center, The Trump Kennedy Art Center or whatever 330 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 2: is gonna last past the first Democratic administration. 331 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 4: I have no idea how he thinks about these things. 332 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 4: It seems nuts to me for reasons like that. 333 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, but again I don't care either way, not on 334 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 2: my list. What is that thing you're going to tell 335 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 2: us coming up? I love this, Oh, it's absolutely great. 336 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 4: It's a psychotherapist who says he's talking about the next 337 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 4: No King's rally. I had no idea one was happening. 338 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 4: I guess it's happening tomorrow. No Kings politics is bad 339 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 4: group therapy. There's a novelgics has become ineffective bad group therapy, 340 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 4: and he explains why. 341 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 2: He's very insightful. There will be a No King's rally 342 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 2: while we're trying to get rid of a king in 343 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 2: Iran and you're complaining about it, Okay. 344 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 4: A king who behaves just like the Handmaid's Tale. 345 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 2: Yes, anyway. Yeah, it's as if you people are idiots, 346 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 2: the mindset of people who go to rallies and protests. 347 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 2: So yeah, I look forward to talking about that and 348 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 2: a whole bunch of other stuff that we got coming 349 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 2: up on the show. 350 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 4: Michael, do we still have that old clip quit being 351 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 4: an idiot. 352 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 2: That was one of the I can find its lots 353 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 2: all the way if you missed the sec making the 354 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 2: podcast Armstrong and Getty on demand Armstrong and Getty. 355 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 9: It doesn't make any sense to have a swimmer who 356 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 9: was the four hundred and seventy second ranked swimmer when 357 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 9: he was a man at Penn either winning or coming 358 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 9: close to winning against women a year and a half 359 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 9: after transitioning. If that's what the person wants to do, 360 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,919 Speaker 9: that person should be treated with dignity and respect. But 361 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 9: there ought to be common sense, and common sense is 362 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 9: not transphobic. 363 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,880 Speaker 2: Well that's Bob Costas, who I think is an amazing 364 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 2: announcer and one of the greatest interviews viewers in history. 365 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 2: But if you follow Bob Costas, he got very political 366 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 2: in the last several years. Where was that while this 367 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 2: was happening, when that Penn swimmer was beaten all the 368 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 2: girls and where were you? 369 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:01,719 Speaker 5: Then? 370 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 2: Bob Goss says he didn't have the nerve to say that. 371 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 2: Now he says it with obviously we all agree on this, 372 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:07,439 Speaker 2: it's not. 373 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 4: Sort of I didn't realize he was passive while it 374 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 4: was happening. 375 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 2: When we are yelling about it. 376 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 4: But anyway, Bob is actually reacting to the announcement from 377 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 4: the IOC. And here's the iOS, the International Olympic Committee, 378 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:23,679 Speaker 4: their president, Kirsty Coventry. 379 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: The policy that we have announced is based on science 380 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 1: and it has been led by medical experts with the 381 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: best interests of athletes at its heart. The scientific evidence 382 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: is very clear male chromosomes give performance advantages in sports 383 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: that rely on strength, power, or endurance. At the Olympic Games, 384 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:46,439 Speaker 1: even the smallest margins can be the difference between victory 385 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: and defeat. So it's absolutely clear that it would not 386 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 1: be fair for biological males to compete in the female category. 387 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: In addition, in some sports it would simply not be safe. 388 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 4: Can you imagine reviving perhaps loved one who passed away 389 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 4: fifteen years ago, right, and they would hear that, and 390 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 4: they would say, they're talking about men playing in women's sports. 391 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 2: Why is she answering a question nobody's ever asked, and 392 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 2: why is she so worthy? The answer is, no, men 393 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,120 Speaker 2: can't play in women's sports. We're through here. Yeah, yeah, 394 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 2: it is so astonishing and in some cases are dangerous. 395 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 2: You mean, like when that dude beat the crap out 396 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 2: of the girls in the boxing, to the point that 397 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 2: some of them quit halfway through, like I'm gonna get 398 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 2: killed out of here exactly. 399 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 4: I'm even in non combat sports like basketball, volleyball. Terrible 400 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 4: injuries to young women and grown women as well. Yeah, 401 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 4: it's absolutely bizarre. It shows how quickly a social contagion 402 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 4: can infect people and make them say and do things 403 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 4: that are just insane. Anyway, speaking of progressive attitudes, good 404 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 4: for the IOC a little late to the party, but 405 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 4: thanks for coming. 406 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 2: Anyway. 407 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 4: Speaking of the left's attitudes, apparently there's going to be 408 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 4: another No King's demonstration or a bunch of them. I'm 409 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 4: against things, very good, great, me too, all across the 410 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 4: country tomorrow. And Jonathan Albert, who is not only a 411 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 4: practicing psychotherapist, but he is writing. 412 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 2: He's about to release. 413 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 4: A book on how bad a lot of psychotherapy is. 414 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 4: Something that'll be near and dear to your heart, Jack, 415 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 4: I'm sure, and he describes he's written a piece. Excuse me, 416 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 4: my goodness, allergies are bad this time here piece. I 417 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,640 Speaker 4: could be well, we're all dying slowly from time anyway, 418 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 4: he says. After No King's rally last October, I was 419 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 4: walking through the area and pository the science. A woman 420 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:38,439 Speaker 4: asked me, aren't these great? And I said, I don't know. 421 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 4: I actually like some of Trump's policies. Well f you that, 422 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 4: she shouted. Then he gets into the whole No King's rally, 423 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 4: and given our history, I mean, it's a striking claim 424 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 4: that we're living under one or about too or something. 425 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 2: But he says, still it's revealing. 426 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 4: It reflects a broader shift and how political disagreement is 427 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,120 Speaker 4: understood not as a clash of views but as. 428 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 2: A struggle between victims and villains. 429 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 4: Then he describes how the US is what has always 430 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 4: been a contentious, oft and frustrated democracy with competing interests 431 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 4: and imperfect leadership, but describing it in more dramatic terms 432 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:19,160 Speaker 4: raises the emotional stakes. It transforms ordinary political conflict into 433 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 4: something more absolute and more psychologically satisfying. He says, in 434 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 4: my work as a psychotherapist, I've seen a parallel change, 435 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 4: and now people interpret their personal lives. Feelings are increasingly 436 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 4: treated not as signals to examine, but as conclusions to affirm. 437 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 4: And I think we're kind of all familiar with We've 438 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 4: heard that verbiage about how you can't deny my feelings, 439 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 4: or I've got to trust my feelings and all when 440 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 4: feelings are often wildly misleading, the last thing you should 441 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 4: trust anyway. You shouldn't ignore them, but they should not 442 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 4: dictate your life anyway. Discomfort is no longer something to 443 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 4: work true, but something to explain, often by projecting blame 444 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:07,640 Speaker 4: onto an external source. This mindset doesn't stay in the 445 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 4: therapy room. It has begun to shape political life, and 446 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,399 Speaker 4: the No King's Rallies offer a framework that supports that 447 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:17,880 Speaker 4: favors affirmation over scrutiny, a clean moral narrative in which 448 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 4: there are those who are wronged and those responsible for 449 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 4: the wrongdoing. At their core, the rallies resemble bad group therapy, 450 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 4: gatherings that offer validation, solidarity, and emotional release. They feel 451 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 4: good in the moment. Participants vent to find reinforcement among 452 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 4: like minded people and leave feeling heard and aligned. The 453 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 4: experience can seem productive, even clarifying, but like bad group therapy, 454 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 4: it stops at validation. The feelings are processed but not challenged, 455 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 4: reinforced but not examined. There is relief but little resolution, 456 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 4: and the underlying problems remain. It offers the feelings of 457 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 4: progress without the substance of it. Yeah, there's got to 458 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 4: be a personality type that's susceptible to that. And it 459 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 4: runs one direction politically, because otherwise you would think it 460 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 4: would be happening exactly the same on the right with 461 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 4: a certain kind of person who get their feelings validated 462 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 4: and enjoy seeing well, there's a whole bunch of people 463 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 4: that agree with me and all that sort of stuff. 464 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 2: But it doesn't. 465 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 4: It exists on the right, but it's a much much 466 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 4: smaller scale. I think a lot of the Trump rallies 467 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 4: are that, but it's it's tiny compared to some of 468 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:19,719 Speaker 4: this stuff. 469 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I don't know that so outside of 470 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,199 Speaker 2: a Trump rally where it's around you know the personality 471 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 2: that is the president, Sure, you know, an issue rally 472 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 2: on the right, why, there have been very few of 473 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 2: those in my lifetime that have had any of And 474 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 2: I only became aware of this because I have a friend, 475 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 2: really good dude, him and his wife, fantastic, great kids, 476 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 2: blah blah blah, all that sort of stuff. But they 477 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 2: apparently go to every rally that exists, and just and 478 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 2: the first time I became aware of it member is 479 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 2: years ago, and he said I see at the rally tomorrow, 480 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 2: and I was like, I don't know anything about any rally. No, 481 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 2: I'm going to be doing something that I had to 482 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 2: look it up and there was some rally going on 483 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 2: in our town that I was a comple unaware of. 484 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 2: But it's just like, of course, you know, that's what 485 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 2: we're all doing tomorrow. We're all gonna be at the rally. 486 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 2: And then I became aware of that. Yeah, that's that's 487 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 2: what you do everyone. I don't know what email thing 488 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 2: you get on where you get the alert all the time, 489 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,679 Speaker 2: but you go to them all. Wow, just what you do. 490 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 4: You were prescient in your question about personality types. 491 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 2: You tend to lean left. 492 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 4: The Good Doctor rights on the composition of these rallies 493 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 4: help helps explain part of their dynamic. According to a 494 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 4: survey conducted at No Kings rally in the District of Columbia, 495 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 4: attendees skew heavily towards highly educated, left leaning white women 496 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 4: in their forties who probably don't have. 497 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 2: Kids, so they have time to go to a rally 498 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 2: because they're not at the Little League game or trying 499 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 2: to get some sleep after a long week or whatever else. 500 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 4: And this demographic stands at the forefront of the broader 501 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:56,159 Speaker 4: shift towards therapeutic language, in which emotional experience is elevated, validated, 502 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 4: and often treated as a kind of truth in itself. 503 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 4: Many learn about the allies through social networks, where political 504 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 4: views and identity are intertwined. 505 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 2: You know, unless fancy language. I remember being. 506 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:12,360 Speaker 4: Amused and appreciating the thought expressed to us many, many 507 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 4: years ago. Just because you're mad doesn't mean you're right, 508 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 4: or just because you're offended doesn't mean you're right. And 509 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 4: what the good doctor is writing about here is the 510 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 4: attitude that being offended is proof that I should be offended. 511 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 4: You don't examine these feelings or question them or challenge them. 512 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:34,880 Speaker 4: You merely affirm them. 513 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 2: Proof that I'm offended, proof that I should be offended 514 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 2: is that I am offended, which turns psychotherapy on its head. 515 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 4: We've been battling, Katie. Any thoughts on this based on 516 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 4: the folks you've run into. 517 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 8: I mean, the folks that I've run into that go 518 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 8: to these things use them as like a party scene 519 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 8: though I mean I had yeah, and you know, they'd 520 00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 8: stop at the gas station and grab their tall cans 521 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 8: beforehand and head out to San Francisco, and it turned 522 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 8: into you know, yeah, and which side are you on? 523 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 2: So it's either young people without kids or old hippies 524 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,719 Speaker 2: whose kids are grown. I just can't believe that if 525 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 2: you got children, there's a lot that as a percentage, 526 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 2: that's very many of the people. 527 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 8: Yeah, none of them had kids at this at this time, 528 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 8: still don't. 529 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, it's it's interesting. 530 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 4: This is you know, it's really an intersection of so 531 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 4: many different aspects of human beings and how odd we are. 532 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 4: But like, if I go to, uh, you know, my 533 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 4: favorite sports team game and we're all cheering and wearing 534 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 4: similar gear and colors and the rest of. 535 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 2: It, it's fun. It feels good to be part of 536 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 2: a crowd that you're all pulling for the same thing. 537 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 2: And hey, wait a minute, I'm cheering for the cops. 538 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 2: You're cheering for the cops. Yeah, we high five. 539 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,919 Speaker 4: We've never met each other, we'll never see each other again. 540 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 2: Oh I hate them. I hate them. I play for 541 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 2: a city that's somewhat further from my. 542 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 4: Home address than this team, so I hate them anyway, right, Ah, 543 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,120 Speaker 4: I was I gonna say, oh, but I don't let 544 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 4: that like dictate my politics. 545 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 2: I don't know. People are strange. Uh. Many rallies have 546 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:23,159 Speaker 2: taken on a performative, even theatrical quality, with costumes and 547 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 2: exaggerated symbolism, replacing direct political engagement. That approach lowers the 548 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 2: stakes of confrontation, but reinforces the idea that the primary 549 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:35,120 Speaker 2: goal is expression rather than persuasion, and the pattern extends 550 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 2: beyond protests. In some corners of the culture, people have committed, 551 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,159 Speaker 2: who have committed or been accused of violence, such as 552 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 2: Luigi Mangioni, have been recast as anti establishment symbols, valued 553 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,919 Speaker 2: less for their actions than for what they appear to represent. 554 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 2: The details differ, but the impulse is the same, a 555 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:56,160 Speaker 2: search for villains who make anger feel justified. Yeah, yeah, 556 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 2: human beings. What are you gonna do with them? 557 00:27:58,400 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 7: Oh? 558 00:27:58,600 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 2: That reminds me maybe later. 559 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 4: I'm always cautious of relatives of Martin Luther King because 560 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 4: a lot of them, some of them are grifters and phonies. 561 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 4: But one of his nephews wrote a great piece on 562 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 4: what was it entitled? It had a very great simple title. Essentially, 563 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 4: You're not Your demonstrations are not what doctor King wanted 564 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 4: us to do. You're not protesting like doctor King, he said, 565 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 4: and he explains why, and I think he would be 566 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 4: not only in agreement with the writer I was just quoting, 567 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 4: but anybody who despises like Antifa and the pro Palestine 568 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 4: window smashers. 569 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 2: So anyway, more on that later. So didn't get to 570 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 2: the story yesterday in Redley, California, which I don't know 571 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 2: that I knew of, which is down by Fresmo, Fresno, 572 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 2: or oh by Fresno, depending where you're listening right now, 573 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 2: or three thousand miles from you. I don't know where 574 00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 2: you're listening right now. Over by fres they found a 575 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 2: lab that was operated by a Chinese national that was 576 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 2: full of HIV, malaria, covid obola, and all kinds of 577 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 2: awful things, but similar to a find in Las Vegas, 578 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 2: also run by a Chinese national. What the hell is 579 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 2: going on there? Among other things to talk about? Stay here. 580 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 10: And finally, a video has gained attention online of a 581 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 10: gray squirrel in London carrying a vape pen. So congratulations, 582 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 10: the very first squirrel in history to figure out a way. 583 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 2: To relax uptight squirrels. Hey, here's a text. This came 584 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 2: up on the show and it's worth revisiting about putting 585 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 2: on your socks standing up. Oh no, yesterday you all 586 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 2: mentioned how unusual it seemed that a listener normally put 587 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 2: on their socks while standing. Well, well, that's unusual. Also 588 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 2: incredibly unusual was that person thought everybody else did it 589 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 2: that way and was surprised to find out that people 590 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 2: think that's odd and people sit to put on their socks. 591 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 4: I merely admire their flexibility and athletic ability. 592 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 2: Could I even do that? I think I could. I don't. 593 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 2: Maybe I'll try that anyway. This person goes on to say, 594 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 2: my wife and I have a standing challenge every day 595 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 2: to always attempt to put on our socks and shoes 596 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 2: while standing instead of sitting down, which is you can imagine, 597 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 2: is a pretty funny thing to witness. Give it a 598 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 2: try and do it every day. 599 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 4: You'll think, Now, the family that plays together stays together, 600 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 4: and it's kind of funny. 601 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 2: So I assume you'd put your socks on standing up, 602 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 2: then your pants, then your shoes on standing up. Pretty 603 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 2: sure I couldn't put on my shoes and tie them 604 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 2: all standing just from a balance standpoint, if. 605 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 4: You like, went into a half squat and crossed your 606 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 4: leg over. I know that because that's a that's a 607 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 4: hip stretch I have to do constantly, really without touching 608 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 4: a wall. U it helps to have a golf club 609 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 4: in hand, for instance. So yeah, it is socks then 610 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 4: pants kind of shoes. I've always I've always. 611 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 8: Done it standing up. And then I told that story 612 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 8: since I got pregnant, and I decided to try it 613 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 8: while I was pregnant and almost broke my face. 614 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 2: I stop, your ciner, gravity has shifted. You always done 615 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 2: You've always done what's standing up? Put my socks on you? 616 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 2: You have always done that standing up? Did I miss 617 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 2: that yesterday? You put on your socks standing up? I 618 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 2: do your whole life. Yeah, I've just always done it. 619 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 8: But then it was like a couple of weeks ago 620 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 8: that I tried it and I smashed my face into 621 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 8: the back of my office chair. 622 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 2: And I've never done it again. You know now that 623 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 2: I've never really thought about it before. But I think 624 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 2: I have seen lots of women throughout my life who 625 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 2: put on their socks standing up. 626 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 8: Yeah, there's no need to sit down to do it. 627 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 4: Really, I've not witnessed the socification of many different women 628 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 4: I've got to admit my sample size is smallish. 629 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 2: I'm not going like just you know, just like I think, 630 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,239 Speaker 2: like my nieces put on their socks and shoes standing up, 631 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 2: I think, yeah, like I'll athletic and young. 632 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,959 Speaker 8: I'll slip my shoes on standing up, but I have 633 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 8: to sit to tie them. 634 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 2: Time to go to the restaurant, Okay, and they stand 635 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:23,719 Speaker 2: up and put on their socks and shoes. 636 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 4: Heck, I sit down to put on a hat. I 637 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 4: just safety first, Katie, you know, safety first. 638 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like Joe, I just fall over. I'm gonna 639 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 2: try that tonight, see if I can do it. Okay, 640 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 2: that's a good one. How much time I got here, Michael, 641 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 2: try to determine three minutes? Okay, plenty of time. So 642 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 2: this has happened more than once in the United States, 643 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 2: but here's the latest. This is from the Los Angeles Times. 644 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 2: The case of a lifetime started with a putrid smell 645 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 2: and a green garden hose sticking out of the side 646 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:56,479 Speaker 2: of a supposedly vacant warehouse in California farm Country near Fresno. 647 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 2: Inside the sprawling building, code enforcement officer Jesslyn Harper found 648 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 2: vials filled with liquid, some marked in English or Chinese, 649 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 2: others with just a code that bore frightening labels such 650 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 2: as malaria, COVID nineteen HIV refrigerators lined up in columns 651 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 2: along a wall that had labels that read blood and 652 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 2: a bola. Can you imagine you get called to what 653 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 2: you thought was a vacant warehouse and you go in 654 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 2: there and you see all those labels, jes it freak out. 655 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 2: As she walked deeper into the warehouse, passing lab workers 656 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 2: filling pregnancy test kits, she located the source of the 657 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 2: smell that had brought her there, droppings from one thousand 658 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 2: lab tested mice. She told the La Times during a 659 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 2: recent interview. The workers were nice enough, she said, but 660 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 2: when she started asking questions, the mood changed. I realized 661 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 2: I'm in trouble on any to get out of this 662 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 2: building without tipping them off, that I'm scared. Her discovery 663 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 2: blew open in an elaborate criminal case with ties to California, Vegas, 664 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 2: and China. Joe mentioned the Vegas version of this, It's 665 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 2: a lab part of an elaborate scheme to import COVID 666 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 2: tests from China and pass them off as American made Okay, 667 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 2: that's one thing. You're trying to get illegal COVID tests 668 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,360 Speaker 2: in the United States when that was a booming business. 669 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 2: But what's with all the bola and HIV and blood 670 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 2: Is a bola test from their cvs or just a 671 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 2: bola itself? Anyway, the investigation is ongoing, and the places 672 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 2: run by Chinese nationals, and they're trying to figure out 673 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 2: what was going on there. Don't trust China. 674 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 4: Our good friend Kevin Kylie, Republicans soon to be jerry 675 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 4: mandered out of his district in California, put out a 676 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,799 Speaker 4: statement back in February about both of these labs and 677 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:49,800 Speaker 4: says specifically that they are Chinese Communist Party linked, which. 678 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,320 Speaker 2: Everything really Chinese is Chinese Communist Party linked pretty much. 679 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,279 Speaker 4: But this one is definitely indisputably so it's it's a 680 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:02,440 Speaker 4: Chinese Communist Party bio weapons lab in the US two. 681 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 2: Of them, at least two of them. Wow, And for 682 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 2: what purpose to unleash that stuff on us if they 683 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 2: wanted to? Yeah, we were a soft country. You think 684 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,319 Speaker 2: they would allow a US owned lab full of a 685 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 2: bola to just show up somewhere in China. 686 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 4: The Chinese constantly use our openness as a society to 687 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 4: try to bring us down every day. 688 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 2: That's a heck of a story. Armstrong and Getty