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Speaker 1: it's me Magical Caitlin, and I decided to give up

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Speaker 1: don't know. It's not that simple. I think that you

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Speaker 1: that cool? Yeah, that's cool. That's just Florida rules. Baby

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Speaker 1: Jamie and I'm Magical Caitlin, and this is our magical

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Speaker 1: show in which we examine movies through an intersectional feminist lens,

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Speaker 1: using the Bechtel test as a jumping off point to

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Speaker 1: initiate a larger conversation. That's true, what's to tell you

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Speaker 1: matric created by queer cartoonist Alison Bechdel, sometimes called the

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Speaker 1: Make of that what you will. A lot of movies pass,

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Speaker 1: It's Beccaramos. Hello, Hello, Oh my god, you guys, I

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Speaker 1: am so stoked to be here. First of all, because

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Speaker 1: how did they get home? You take the greyround with

423
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: a concussion? Like I think they circle back around because

424
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 1: at this point there in outside of Jackson outside Yeah,

425
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 1: because they're going to Charleston so or no, they're going

426
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 1: to is Myrtle Beach near Charleston? Are they in the

427
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 1: same place? I don't know. They have to go to

428
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: Savannah first, so they do, got to go to Georgia first.

429
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:16,439
Speaker 1: So that's what happens. Florida Georgia line. Hello. So they

430
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:20,360
Speaker 1: go to Savannah where Mike knows another em C because

431
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: they need an m C. And he knows someone named Rome,

432
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 1: who turns out to be Jada Pickens Smith, and she

433
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 1: has this house where women come and watch various male

434
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: strip shows or just kind of like male entertainer acts

435
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 1: in different rooms. We see a few of these different acts,

436
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:44,880
Speaker 1: including those of Augustus Ak, Michael Strahan, as well as

437
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: Andre played by Donald Glover and Twitch and dance right. Yes,

438
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 1: yes he is Jada Pinkett Smith's rooms like assistant guy.

439
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: But then like when they bring when when Rome and

440
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: Magic Michael come downstairs, Uh, they have like a dance

441
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: battle almost right, like the main guy dancing against Magic

442
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:16,880
Speaker 1: Michael is Twitch. Right. He plays a character named Malik. Yes, yes,

443
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: so that's Malik Got It, which was so iconic and

444
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: lovely and he passed last year. I man i grew

445
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 1: up watching you thinking dance one time? Really really, Oh

446
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 1: my gosh, my senior year, I was a dancer for

447
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: many years. Wait me too, Oh my gosh, should we

448
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: start a dance troupe together? I can't dance, but I'll learn.

449
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: My sophomore year of high school, I went to see

450
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 1: So you Think He'd Dance Live? And Twitch was there,

451
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 1: and my friends and I were like, like, it was

452
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 1: just so thrilling and what a loss, what an icon.

453
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: I didn't know he was in this movie, and I

454
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,120
Speaker 1: was was frantically googly. I was like, is that Twitch?

455
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 1: What a legend? Beautiful? Okay, So we see these different

456
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 1: acts throughout the night, and then Mike mentions the convention

457
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 1: to Rome, and she's like, oh, you want a favor

458
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: from me even though you walked out on me eight

459
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: years ago, because apparently he used to dance for her.

460
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: So she's kind of like upset with him, and he

461
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: just like comes like waltzing back in, wanting this favor,

462
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 1: and she's like, you have to redeem yourself, and he

463
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: does so by doing a very horny dance. Uh woa,

464
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 1: ho was so good. I had so many questions about, like,

465
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 1: I mean, we can get to this in the discussion,

466
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 1: I had so many questions about like, and I was like,

467
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: I'm probably deeply naive, and I was looking for like

468
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 1: answers to this question wasn't able to find them. I'm like,

469
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: what are like the rules of consent that happened when

470
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: you enter this place? Because probably sign a waiver, I

471
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: would assume, And You're like, and I'm assuming because magical

472
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 1: Michael worked there, he would know the rules, So like,

473
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: I'm assuming he's not doing anything that is like out

474
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 1: of pocket or bad. But but I was just like,

475
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: what do you agree to? It really seems like you're

476
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 1: getting flipped and dipped around. What if there's an injury?

477
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: Because there like a medic it's just injury. Also, like

478
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 1: your personal space is at risk of being invaded, which

479
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: it seems as though if you go to an event

480
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: show like this, you just basically agree to consent to whatever.

481
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: I don't know how ethical that actually is. I don't

482
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: know if it happened. I mean, it's like I'm sure

483
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: that Like, I mean, I'm not sure the places like

484
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: that exists. It feels like if you sit in the

485
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: splash zone at Sea World, you understand there's you know

486
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: what was going to happen. Probably just have to go

487
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: in with the same mindset. If you're going to a

488
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: show like this, yes, and everyone is I mean canonically

489
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: everyone is fucking thrilled about everything that happens all night long.

490
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: There's no I saw not a twitch of an eye

491
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: of someone who was like, I don't know if I'm

492
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: okay with this. Everyone was very okay with it. But

493
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: I was just like, I mean, honestly, I just had

494
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,479
Speaker 1: questions because I'm like, the places like this exists, and

495
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: could can we go? Could I go? I would love

496
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: Michael Straighthand and Channing Tatum to um ruined my life.

497
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: So my favorite part was when he put his hand

498
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: on both of their backs and he was doing the

499
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: like side like swivels around and like humps them both

500
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: from behind. Again a wouga. But I was worried about

501
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: the like the two the two women who like yeah

502
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: when he did that, but then he put another woman

503
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: on top of one of the women. I'm like, we

504
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: don't know about her back, what if she had scoliosis,

505
00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: Like we don't know how secure as as sculios his head.

506
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: I was like, that would have that I would have collapsed,

507
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: would have broke me, would have broken me. I would

508
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: have you know, I would have died doing what I loved.

509
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:15,479
Speaker 1: But but but I would have died. Yeah, I simply

510
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: don't know. It's a fantasy movie. Whatever, right, Okay, So

511
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: at the end of the night, Mike any other guys

512
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: say goodbye to Rome and then Andre Donald Glover takes

513
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: them to Charleston, where they go to the house of

514
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: this woman, Megan, who Tito had hooked up with maybe

515
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: like the night before at that like beach hang But

516
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: they first run into Megan's mom, Nancy, Okay, Andy McDowell

517
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: and her friends. And I didn't realize this until my

518
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: second watch of the movie to fully register what happened here,

519
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: because I was like, wait, whose house are they going

520
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: to and how do they know her? And who is

521
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: Andy McDowell in relation to any of these people? And

522
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: then I realized that, so Megan is this woman who

523
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: they met maybe one or two days before, they barely

524
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: know her. She was like, come through to my house

525
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: in Charleston. They just show up and go inside of

526
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: the house. They don't even they didn't not they just

527
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: marched right in. Honestly, the fact that the door was unlocked.

528
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: Was very Southern of them, Like, that does not shock

529
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: me that it's very as someone from the South. I

530
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I guess that's that's accurate. Yeah, And

531
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: then is this a Southern thing where the owner of

532
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: the house sees like five strange men in her foyer

533
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: and it is like, oh, hey, come on in and

534
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: have a drink. Honestly, it is that is the Southern hospitality.

535
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: I was like, Honestly, that whole scene was not that

536
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: crazy because I'm like, rich, lonely old women from the South.

537
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: Then what they see hot men? First, they didn't see like,

538
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: you know, most of them are white, you know what

539
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So it's like they were not threatened. They

540
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: were like, oh, look at these charming young men. They

541
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: look like strippers. And if they're still in Georgia, I'm

542
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: sure they're like understand that there is a lot of

543
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: because from my understanding, there are a lot of strip

544
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: clubs in Georgia. So yeah, I think there's like it's

545
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: like Atlanta and Portland's I think the highest strip clubs.

546
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: Portland has so been quite a few of them. Kitlin

547
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: and I went to one once. We went to an

548
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: eggs and legs situation in Portland a couple of years ago.

549
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: We should go back, We should go back. A fan

550
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: of the show hooked us up, So thank you for that.

551
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: It's fast. We had eggs, we had legs. I was

552
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: curious about that because it was like the way that

553
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: Andy McDowell's character reacted made it seem like her daughter

554
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: brought home really hot troops of men. Constantly, She's like,

555
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: who is this? Oh my daughter? Okay, that makes sense.

556
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, chill mom. She's a cool mom.

557
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: She's like, cool mom. So they you start chatting with Nancy,

558
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: and then Megan and her friends come into the room

559
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: and one of them is Zoe. So all of the

560
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: guys are talking to all the women. They're asking about

561
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: their like fantasies and their sex lives and all this stuff.

562
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: In another room, Mike and Zoe are chatting some more. Uh.

563
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: Later that night, Big Dick Richie ends up having sex

564
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: with Nancy off screen, which is a shame. It's a

565
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: shame would have liked to see. But then the next

566
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: morning they head out from Charleston and arrive in Myrtle

567
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: Beach at the convention. Surprise, Rome and Andre meet them

568
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: there because Rome has decided to m see the show

569
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: after all. Then they go to check in with Elizabeth Banks,

570
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: the director of Cocaine Bear herself. I hope that is.

571
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: I hope that's how history remembers her ultimately. What a

572
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: treat that would be amazing. Yes, um, so she's checking

573
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: them in. But then we find out that these guys

574
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: did not even register for the convention or book a

575
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 1: show there. They just showed up thinking they were going

576
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: to do a spot. To be fair, that is what

577
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: they just did at Andy McDowell's house, and it worked

578
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: out pretty spectacularly for them. I'm gonna say, as men,

579
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: I feel like that's made sense to me because I'm

580
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 1: sure Dallas did all that booking and stuff. I'm sure

581
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: they had no idea like that was something they had

582
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 1: to do. They were just like, well, we go to

583
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: this thing every year, so like, why don't we just

584
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: show up? We're going there. They truly are like baby

585
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: men in a lot of ways, where they're like, what

586
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: do you mean We're so beautiful? Why can't we Like,

587
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: no one's ever said no to me before. But I

588
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: don't understand Jada Pinkett s meant to the rescue. She

589
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 1: and I also liked that those characters were named Paris

590
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: and Rome and that they were friends. You're like, yeah,

591
00:34:54,920 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: it's all consense. Wow, he got, he got. And then

592
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:07,280
Speaker 1: it's because of Realm's clout that Elizabeth Banks is like, okay,

593
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 1: you get this, like prime Spot. Then there's a montage

594
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,720
Speaker 1: of them prepping for the show. We see them shopping,

595
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: they're making costumes, their building sets, and then they put

596
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: on a show that Rome m c s. We see

597
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,240
Speaker 1: solo acts from all the guys, each one relating to

598
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: their passion. So Tarzan does like a painting thing, Tito

599
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 1: does a candy thing since he's the fro yo guy.

600
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: Ken sings because he is also like a musical performer

601
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,919
Speaker 1: and singer, Big Dick Ritchie. It does this whole like

602
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: wedding slash kinky wedding night act. And then finally it's magical.

603
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: Michael and Malik do this like mirror act. They said

604
00:35:56,080 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 1: step up here we go then and we are like

605
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: a wuga. Zoe is there with Megan and she gets

606
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 1: brought up on stage and Mike dances all horny all

607
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: over her. Then like we see a little montage of

608
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: them like getting ice cream after the show, and that's

609
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: basically the movie. If you're wondering if there is a

610
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: conflict in this movie, they're kind of is not. There

611
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: is not. Often there's some like interpersonal tension between the characters,

612
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: but it's usually pretty quickly resolved and then there's not

613
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: much in the way of conflict aside from that, which

614
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: is usually not how you write a screenplay. But this

615
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: movie is great and I have no complaints. So that

616
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: is the story. Let's take a quick break and we

617
00:36:51,480 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: will come right back to discuss and back. Oh my goodness, Okay, yeah,

618
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: I I agree. I mean, I guess that there isn't

619
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: really much there. I didn't. I honestly didn't notice until

620
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: I was, like I really thought about it, because it

621
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 1: did feel like the main tension of this movie kind

622
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: of like came from both like this group of men

623
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: who we knew resolving their differences with each other and

624
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: then like growing as people whilst on a road trip.

625
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: And I love I loved that. I don't know, that's

626
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: all I really have to say that. I feel like

627
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: the biggest conflict was with Rome, right because it was

628
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: like obviously like this like new plot point being brought

629
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: up of like we have to make Chang Tatum this

630
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: central character, not that we didn't already make in the

631
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: central character by coming back, but it felt like in

632
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: the first movie, you don't get anything of the other guys, right,

633
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: Like it's all about you know, Magic Michael and Little

634
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 1: Michael and Brooke, and so I feel like this was

635
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: the moment to bring it back to like what is

636
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: Michael's history? He is a titular dancer, Like who is

637
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: this strife with his older host or manager? I don't

638
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: know what to call her, madam, I don't know, I

639
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: don't know her job title. But yeah, I feel like

640
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: that's where the biggest conflict was. But obviously it gets

641
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: resolved by the end of the movie. And yeah, back

642
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 1: to your point, Jamie, as far as like the movie

643
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: being about men like connecting and growing together and like

644
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: figuring themselves out, there aren't a lot of movies like that,

645
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,399
Speaker 1: And there aren't a lot of movies that center male

646
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: friendship and male friendship in which the characters are like

647
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 1: vulnerable with each other and they like open up to

648
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: each other. So there's like all these like wonderful things

649
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: that you don't normally see on screen. Happening in this movie,

650
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: especially that these men are like such like expressions of

651
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: like heteronormative you know, like like these big, buff, hot

652
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 1: like himbo men, men that you wouldn't consider vulnerable or

653
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: people that would you know, express themselves that way, that

654
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: kind of thing so traditionally. Yeah, yeah, I felt like

655
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: that was like some of the most strong stuff in

656
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: the movie was like focused on their relationships with each other,

657
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: because it also didn't make it so easy for them

658
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: of like, oh, well, these are just like this is

659
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:28,760
Speaker 1: a band of emotionally intelligent, like I think, mostly heterosexual

660
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 1: men as far as we know, which would be you know,

661
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: I mean that it would truly be a fantasy movie

662
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: because you're like, that's just like not how heterosexual men

663
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: are socialized. And so you do see towards the beginning

664
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: of the movie, like them trying to resolve interpersonal issues

665
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: with like traditional masculinities such as magical Michael starting by

666
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: being like all right, we're gonna do some therapy and

667
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: then he's like punch me and they throw up, and

668
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: you're just like all right, these guys like you know,

669
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: you're runk on a beach in Florida. Of course, that's

670
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: how you're going to try to resolve the problem. But

671
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:09,760
Speaker 1: they continue to grow and I like that like every character,

672
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 1: although like I mean, I do feel like some characters

673
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: more than others, which we should talk about, but they

674
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 1: all enjoy being male entertainers. They get a lot of

675
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 1: personal satisfaction out of that. It just seems like it's

676
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: it's so funny because I feel like that's part of

677
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: what's so appealing about this franchise to me. Of like

678
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: you're watching men have impostor syndrome all the time, which

679
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: you don't really see very much of, Like they feel

680
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: judged by the world by being strippers, but also they

681
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 1: have other dreams and they want to have both of

682
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: those things at the same They want to have it all,

683
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: which is every movie about every woman ever, and you

684
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,879
Speaker 1: never really see that about men because you don't really

685
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: see men and professions where they are treated like meat,

686
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: which these men are. So it's interesting seeing like these

687
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 1: different characters have different you know, and it like it

688
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: relates to their age in some ways, where Tarzan is like, yeah,

689
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: you know, I've I don't know, maybe like I don't

690
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: regret my life choices, but it would have been really

691
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: cool to have like a domestic life and you know

692
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: you have people that I mean, Matt Bohmer's character is

693
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 1: like I wish I had, you know, been a singer

694
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: and like you have everyone had the thing, like they

695
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: both love what they do and also I wonder what

696
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 1: life would have been like if they had done something else.

697
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: And that's really I don't know. You just don't see

698
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 1: it a lot with with male characters, specifically because men

699
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,280
Speaker 1: usually get what they want well and them all showing

700
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: envy too of of magic Michael because he did quit

701
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: and he did pursue what he wanted to do, and

702
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: that was part of why they were upset with him,

703
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 1: because they were like, you know, as much as like

704
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: we're mad at you for abandoning us, we're also jealous

705
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: that you like found your thing and you like stuck

706
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: to your guns and you made it happen. But I

707
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 1: also so and I was worried that there was going

708
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 1: to be because this is an issue that we had

709
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 1: with the first movie, where because so often the way

710
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: sex work is presented in media, it's something that no

711
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: one chooses to do and that people are trying to escape.

712
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: And that might be true for some sex workers. But

713
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: there are a large number of sex workers who this

714
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: is their chosen profession and they're very proud to do it,

715
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: and they're very excited to do it. And there was

716
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: discussion around the first movie where Mike quitting stripping partially

717
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: it seems because that's what his girlfriend wanted him to do.

718
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: There was criticism around that, and so I was worried that, like,

719
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 1: there might be some degree of that in this movie.

720
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: But it seems as though all of the men who

721
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 1: are doing this work in this movie, at least a

722
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 1: few of them say if I had my dreams like

723
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: Donald Glover's, like, oh, if my LP dropped tomorrow and

724
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: I like made it big, I would still do this.

725
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: On the side, if I was, for example, childish Gambino,

726
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,240
Speaker 1: I would still do this. You're like, all right, Donald

727
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: Glover as himself, he's not Donald Glover in this movie.

728
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: He's childish Gambino. Like specifically, I'm like, yeah, you are

729
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 1: in your child like everything about you, like the Fedora,

730
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: like everything about this era of childish Gambio. It is

731
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: not Donald Glover as he is today, because like today,

732
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, he's not childish green to know he is

733
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: Donald Glover now, but then that is childish Gambio that movie.

734
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 1: That's not he is. And it's like, because the internet

735
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: childish Gambiano too, it's like really childish Gampio. Like absolutely,

736
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 1: I did not know he was in this movie, and

737
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: I was like, I forgot. I totally agree with You're like, wow,

738
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: this is a very specific Donald Glover we're getting in

739
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: this movie. Two years later, this Donald Glover was no

740
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 1: longer available, and arguably two years later, the body of

741
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: that Donald Glover would have made more sense in this movie.

742
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: But you know, man, it was wild seeing him in

743
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: this role and but was I was like, he's such

744
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: a baby. He's a baby. He was still doing like

745
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: Troy like he It was very it was a different

746
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: era of Donald Globber. It feels like the tail end

747
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:16,280
Speaker 1: of that era. But yeah, I I totally agree with you, Caitlin,

748
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: because that was something we talked about in our first episode,

749
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,240
Speaker 1: was that like it's made to seem like, Okay, well,

750
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: he got a lot out of working as a sex worker,

751
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, that's not the

752
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: quote unquote the sensible choice. But I like that this

753
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,399
Speaker 1: franchise course corrects in this way. Where it's like, well,

754
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 1: this is like a huge part of who he is,

755
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 1: and like why can't more than one like it? Just

756
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: it sort of wants to explore like you don't need

757
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 1: to choose one thing and like the less of a person,

758
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: And that seems like what most of the guys are

759
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: kind of coming to terms with and struggling with in

760
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: in this movie in a way that I thought was

761
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: like pretty effective and cool because you also have Tito,

762
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: who's dream is to get this like artisanal fro yo

763
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 1: food truck slash dance party DJ. I love that all

764
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: their dreams are like best of luck guys. But so

765
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,439
Speaker 1: his dream is to get that going. But he says

766
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,280
Speaker 1: like nothing makes me feel better than that, aside from

767
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: being on stage, like he still loves performing. So I

768
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: appreciate that you have at least a few of the

769
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: characters expressing like this is not something I'm trying to escape. Uh,

770
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 1: this is something that like I will always do. So

771
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: I appreciated that, and and that they come to accept

772
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: each other like and it totally makes sense that they

773
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 1: have like the tension they do. Like I really liked

774
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: the conversation between Magical Michael and sorry I'm just gonna

775
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: keep calling him Matt Bomer. What is that? Damn Ken,

776
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: He's literally the Kendall. I was a little like not

777
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 1: sure what to make of him. I mean, I I

778
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: really like Matt Bomer, so I feel like maybe I

779
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: was like bringing I like Matt Boomer energy into the

780
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: chat on this one. But I did like how they

781
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:11,919
Speaker 1: had to have converence, like a couple conversations before they

782
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: had really made peace, because it was like, oh that,

783
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: you know, like, I think it's interesting with people of

784
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: all genders when people get into, for lack of a

785
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 1: better term, because I am pro this, I've made whole

786
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: shows about it, woo woo stuff, and then sort of

787
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,439
Speaker 1: are able to say, like, well, because I am now

788
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: a spiritual person, all of my past problems and trauma

789
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 1: have been resolved via this. And that is not always

790
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 1: not for everyone, is always necessarily true, because it's like

791
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: sometimes it's like you can use a spiritual practice to

792
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: avoid actually dealing with your ship, and it seems like

793
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,879
Speaker 1: that's kind of what Kenn is doing and I did,

794
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: And there were moments where I felt like the movie

795
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: was kind of making fun of him for like the

796
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:02,879
Speaker 1: reigy stuff over Gabriel Glacia Is like there were moments

797
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: where he's clearly being made fun of. Well, do you

798
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: feel like he was queer coded in this movie, because

799
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: to me, you watched the first one and none of

800
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: them really have speaking rules, right, like you kind of

801
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: like going back into it. I was watching the first

802
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: one and I was like, oh, yeah, they really aren't

803
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 1: actualized characters there, like a part of a group, but

804
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 1: you don't really learn much about them. You just know

805
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: like Ken's wife has big tits, and like they like

806
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 1: the funk and they do drunks. Like that's about it.

807
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: He doesn't really say more than three lines the whole movie.

808
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: But this movie, as they developed his character, it felt

809
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 1: really queer coded. And at this time, Matthew Bomber has

810
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: already come out, like he in the first movie had

811
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: not come out yet. He came out in which is

812
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: when the movie was released, So during the production of

813
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: that movie he had not come out. So by this

814
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 1: movie he had come out. So I was like, it

815
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,439
Speaker 1: felt like to me, by the end of the movie,

816
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: they were trying to get to him having an arc

817
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: of you know, coming out, and then they just like

818
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: cut it, and it felt very like like not actualized

819
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 1: or like I couldn't tell what they were trying to do.

820
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,479
Speaker 1: That's really interesting. I hadn't I honestly hadn't thought about

821
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: it that thoroughly, but I did. I didn't know that

822
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,879
Speaker 1: Matt Boehmer came out the same year Magic Mike one

823
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: was released and has been out ever since, and I

824
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 1: don't know. We felt like I had a conversation on

825
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: this show many times where it's like, you know, it's

826
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 1: because you're a queer actor, doesn't mean you need to

827
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: play queer characters. But it did seem like at moments

828
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: where it was like, what are we trying to say

829
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: about this character? And I feel like it speaks to

830
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: kind of like a larger point that I have with

831
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: a lot of the non Magical Michael characters, which I

832
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 1: think some were better developed than others. I totally agree

833
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,879
Speaker 1: with you that like Ken's story is like they're like, well,

834
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 1: he wanted to be a singer, and that's kind of

835
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: where they leave it, which is bizarre given the like

836
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: stuff you know about him from the first movie, which

837
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: never really comes back, and you're like, they broke uh, yeah,

838
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,800
Speaker 1: never mentioned again. Yeah. And in fact, so there's a

839
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: scene on the beach where where Mike says to Ken like, oh,

840
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: are you still with Mercedes? And he says no because

841
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: he cites the reason being like they tried to do

842
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: monogamy and that didn't work out for them, so they

843
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: split up. And then that's what leads to magical Michael

844
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: being like punched me in the stomach. I was like,

845
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: where did this come from? Um? Because suddenly like one

846
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 1: of them is being passive aggressive. I didn't even notice it.

847
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure. But if you consider that Mike

848
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 1: has a love interest who is a woman, you have

849
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: Big Dick, Ritchie has sex with Andy McDowell, Tito has

850
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 1: sex with her daughter Megan, you have um Tarzan saying like, oh,

851
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 1: I would love to go home to like a wife

852
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: and kids. But there's never any men mention of Ken

853
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: having a romantic interest who is a woman. So I

854
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 1: think maybe based on that there is possible queer coding,

855
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: but it's not overt to me. It wasn't clear enough

856
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: that I felt like you could like. I just wonder.

857
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:19,720
Speaker 1: I was like, is there something that was like cut?

858
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 1: I don't know, because it is also like there is

859
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: kind of a vibe of a one to one, and

860
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,280
Speaker 1: I don't even mean that as an insult to this movie.

861
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:33,720
Speaker 1: But as far as I know, the only and maybe

862
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 1: I'm incorrect about this, I'm not totally sure. As far

863
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: as I know, the only people I knew to be

864
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:43,879
Speaker 1: openly queer who are in this movie are Matt Bomer

865
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: and Amber Heard, And it is a one to one

866
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: situation if we are interpreting Ken is a queer coded character,

867
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 1: where Matt Bomer is an openly gay actor and Amber

868
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: Heard is openly bisexual and has been for a long time,

869
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: and they make that can and into her character as

870
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 1: well in a way that I didn't take any issue with.

871
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 1: It was presented very matter of factly, and she wasn't,

872
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: you know, like bisexual characters are treated like shit or

873
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: like as jokes so much, and she wasn't. But I

874
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 1: did feel like, oh, yeah, the only actors in this

875
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: movie that I know are openly queer. I don't know.

876
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's I don't know, yeah, it's not

877
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:28,800
Speaker 1: even a positive or negative. I'm just like, what was

878
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:37,760
Speaker 1: going on? Interesting to ponder. I do like, like you mentioned, Becca,

879
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:42,720
Speaker 1: that each character is given more characterization in this movie,

880
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: which helps too. Again, another issue we had when we

881
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: discussed the first Magic Mike movie is that it's a

882
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: movie that seems like it has the agenda to humanize

883
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: sex workers or you know, male entertainers, but it kind

884
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:58,919
Speaker 1: of doesn't do that that much because it really only

885
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 1: focuses on two of those characters and puts the other

886
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: ones kind of in the background. This sequel doesn't do that.

887
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: It gives each of the five main Magical Michaels a

888
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: distinct either like arc or goal or just kind of

889
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: more characterization in general, although two varying degrees I supposed

890
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: to say, because I feel like Adam Rodriguez's character was

891
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: characterized by a large margin the least like I was

892
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: going to say that, Yeah, like the guys we learned

893
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: more about, because we do get characterization of everybody to

894
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: some extent. But like for my reading, it was like Ken,

895
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: even though that was ambiguous as you were just talking about,

896
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 1: but like Ken's was more of a I don't know,

897
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't really have an issue with it

898
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:54,919
Speaker 1: because some people were like a relationship thing with Ken.

899
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: It was more of a career thing whatever. But Ken,

900
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: Big Dick, Ritchie and tar Zanne I think got the

901
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 1: most attention. They are like three white passing men, and

902
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 1: then Adam Rodriguez I thought, was given the least attention

903
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: of the bunch. And then Gabriel Iglesias is like ejected

904
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 1: out of the movie rocket in the middle and and you,

905
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's not like there is I don't know.

906
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: I mean I'm curious to discuss that, because there was

907
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:26,879
Speaker 1: some sort of I don't know, it's the discourse around

908
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: this movie when I was revisiting it for research was

909
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: so that I was like, I don't know, because it

910
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: is like a pretty diverse movie. It's not like you know,

911
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: who knows. Maybe Gabriel Iglesias was like I have to

912
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 1: go on a world tour. I can only be on

913
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,839
Speaker 1: set for like three days or whatever. Like he's really

914
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: successful in it, and like it is a very diverse movie,

915
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 1: but it's still like there's still kind of these things

916
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: that feel very rooted and like, okay, like it's still

917
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:04,720
Speaker 1: centers whiteness, light skinnedness. Yes, right. They even call out

918
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 1: Adam Rodriguez as like their token man of color in

919
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:12,959
Speaker 1: their like group. They're like, yeah, we got the the Latino,

920
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: you know, and then Adam trying to throw it back

921
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: at Big dig Ritchie. It was like, well, you are

922
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: also technically a person of color, and he's like, I'm

923
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: Armenium whatever, I'm white. Like he literally was like, I

924
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 1: have internalized racism and I'm white. And you know, justice

925
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: for Adam Rodriguez because I have had a crush on

926
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 1: him for very many years and he's a beautiful Latino

927
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 1: man and he deserved. He was also the second best

928
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 1: dancer in my opinion. I think he's a better dancer

929
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 1: than Big Dick Ritchie. And I feel like he did

930
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 1: not get enough dancing time. Yeah, I agree, I agree.

931
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,240
Speaker 1: He's wondering and it's like also, I was just like, wow,

932
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 1: Mr Criminal, minds the disrespect, Like it's just Adam Rodriguez

933
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: is an icon and they didn't give him enough to do. No,

934
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 1: he's an amazing dancer, but I just like, I feel

935
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: like it really actually kind of aim all the way around,

936
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: like who was characterized versus who wasn't at the end,

937
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 1: because they were all given big set pieces about like,

938
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: hey remember their arc here it is in a sexy dance,

939
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: and Adam Rodriguez is I think was like, even though

940
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 1: he is one of the stronger dancers, was one of

941
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 1: the and who like what he does in that routine

942
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: with the chocolate in the licking y're just like a

943
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: wuga Like I was going pretty hard. I was really

944
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 1: present in the auga zone for that one, but narratively

945
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:37,720
Speaker 1: you're he's just in front of like the fro Yo truck. Yeah,

946
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: and it's like I again, And as far as I'm

947
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: at Bomber character, I honestly don't know where to fall

948
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: in terms of like how we were supposed to feel

949
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 1: about Ken. It did feel like the cannon from the

950
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 1: previous movie was abandoned in a way that felt a

951
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: little bizarre. It was done to everybody to some extent,

952
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 1: but like Ken's felt especially dismissed. But it is like

953
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 1: Ken and Tito have career based things going. But even so,

954
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: like Ken gets the bigger spotlight on his moment in

955
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 1: like the Antie McDowell sequence where you get to see

956
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 1: like Donald Glover in his childish Gambino era plants the

957
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 1: seeds of like you know you can and a plot

958
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 1: point I thought was like really cool of like well

959
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 1: you can like combine your passions in a way that

960
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: is really like beautiful and like you can use your

961
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 1: you know singing in musicality to like make women happy,

962
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: which is why we've been put on this earth, which

963
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 1: is kind of the theme of the movie for whatever reason.

964
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 1: And it's great, But like Ken gets that big moment

965
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 1: where he uses his dream to do what he's currently

966
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:50,720
Speaker 1: doing in a way that makes him and a woman happy.

967
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 1: Tito doesn't really get that moment, and so like when

968
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 1: you see him dancing in front of his fro Yo truck,

969
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 1: it just like doesn't have the same amount of impact

970
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:04,760
Speaker 1: because he wasn't given like the same moment in focus. True, um,

971
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 1: I was prepared to argue that Tarzan was given the

972
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: least amount of kind of characterization. Maybe it's just because

973
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: he's on screen the least amount of time. I felt

974
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 1: I kind of agree with you, Kaitlin, in a different way,

975
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 1: Like I agree that I think characterized he is the

976
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: least focused on, but I feel like Adams was more

977
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 1: poignant because he is the only brown one. Definitely, But

978
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 1: I was noticing that there were scenes that like Tarzan

979
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: wasn't even in, Like it seems like the four younger

980
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 1: guys would like go do something fun, and so I

981
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 1: was like, is this an ageist choice that's happening because

982
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 1: Tarzan is the oldest of them, can I tell you,

983
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe this is like rude because I know

984
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 1: that Kevin Nash has been in a lot of stuff.

985
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 1: I sort of interpreted that choice of like, yeah, professional

986
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 1: wrestlers aren't always great actors. Uh, that was sort of

987
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 1: my thing. I was like, and I don't know, absolutely

988
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: could be agism. I think I defaulted to like, not

989
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 1: everyone's the rock and not everyone like but maybe that

990
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: was unfair of me because the scenes that Tarzan is

991
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 1: in I really loved him. He's a lovable character. Yeah,

992
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 1: but but if you think, like he does say in

993
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: that one scene that he would like trade his dick

994
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 1: swinging lifestyle for a wife and kids and people who

995
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 1: love him. But that's the only moment that we get

996
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 1: any indication of that, especially because we didn't even know

997
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: his name. Like there's that moment where Magic Michael's like

998
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 1: and and he's like Ernie and he's like, I don't

999
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 1: know anything about him. And then there's another scene where

1000
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 1: later kind of booze him when he and when he

1001
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: says like that was I thought that that was I mean,

1002
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:53,439
Speaker 1: it was like both very like it felt Soderbergie where

1003
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: it felt very like I don't know, like I love

1004
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 1: I love in soderberg movies, like the way that conversations

1005
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 1: play out feel like pretty realistic and funny, even when

1006
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 1: they're like not very sensitive towards everybody. But it didn't

1007
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 1: really come all the way back around in a way

1008
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 1: that felt sensitive to him because because he was like, oh,

1009
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 1: this is what I want, and everyone's like bummer, You're like,

1010
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 1: oh he he pours his heart out and everyone's like

1011
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: buzz kill alert and then they move on if there

1012
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 1: was like tomato tomato, and then they move on and

1013
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 1: talk to a woman who we hadn't met before, won't

1014
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 1: we won't see again, So it's like Tarzan's right there, like,

1015
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 1: but if she doesn't go on a journey in that scene,

1016
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 1: Let's be honest. I thought that then, was I was like, honestly,

1017
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 1: I mean, like, I think it is interesting how this movie,

1018
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: you know, I think, with varying degrees of success, but

1019
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: this movie does attempt and seems to have an agenda

1020
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 1: to navigate through a lot of different class systems and

1021
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 1: races and gender and like I feel like it try

1022
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 1: to use the road Trip movie in a in an

1023
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 1: unusual way, which is like not to make I feel

1024
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 1: like the road trip movies that were used to are

1025
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 1: more often used to like make a mockery of the

1026
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 1: communities they're passing through to characterize the protagonists, whereas like

1027
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: this movie is trying to again with like varying degrees

1028
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 1: of success, to like not do that, to like pass

1029
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 1: through a lot of different classes and and but do

1030
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 1: it in a way that like you have a moment

1031
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 1: to appreciate someone in the scene that's like specific, and

1032
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of like movies like that. I

1033
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 1: don't know, like the Antimidald thing. I was kind of

1034
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 1: all over the place on that sequence. I didn't know

1035
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 1: because it's like you don't really like I want to

1036
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: like linger on like upper crossed white Ladies of the South. However,

1037
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 1: the way that they're written and characterized, I thought in

1038
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 1: that moment, especially with like a woman, I don't know,

1039
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 1: it just got me thinking about like the boomer women

1040
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 1: in my life who like Andy McDowell's character, I thought,

1041
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 1: you know, she's very like cool, moming it, which who

1042
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 1: knows how her daughter feels about that. That can suck,

1043
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 1: but you know she's just like, oh, I've only ever

1044
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 1: had sex with one person because that's what I was

1045
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:22,439
Speaker 1: told to do. And now I'm fucking miserable. I don't

1046
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 1: really know what where her husband's like, I think that

1047
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 1: they're divorced. Maybe I don't know. It seems like she

1048
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 1: kicked him out, but maybe the papers aren't finalized. Vibes

1049
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 1: like he obviously I felt like he cheated on her.

1050
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 1: And then she was like wow, like I've only had

1051
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 1: one dick in my life and you out here swinging it.

1052
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 1: Get out of my house. Like, I'm not signing the

1053
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:44,439
Speaker 1: papers yet because I want the money right now, so

1054
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 1: the house. She also says like we broke up because

1055
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 1: he's gay, and then her daughter is like, you don't

1056
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 1: know that for sure, and then she like like that yeah.

1057
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 1: She's like, well he loved it when I stuck my

1058
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 1: finger up his and then she means, no, I don't

1059
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 1: want to hear it, and Tito was like, it's really

1060
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 1: kind of fun. Tito did come in and say like, hey,

1061
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 1: a finger up the bum, what's wrong with it? Yeah?

1062
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 1: But with that, I mean specifically with the I I

1063
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 1: know that she was given a name. I don't remember

1064
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 1: what it is because I hate women but the character

1065
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 1: who I just thought it was like a very vulnerable

1066
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 1: writing point for like a middle aged woman to say, like,

1067
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 1: my husband has never had sex with me with the

1068
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 1: lights on. And I don't know if that's a him thing.

1069
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's like, but it's clear that

1070
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 1: like she's internalized it and it's very insecure and it's like,

1071
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 1: is something wrong with me? And then I don't know,

1072
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 1: I mean it's I guess you can like come at

1073
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 1: this movie in so many different ways because in a way,

1074
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 1: the married troop of male strippers is characterizes like these

1075
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 1: men are coming to save you and make you feel

1076
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 1: good about yourself again. And I think there is a

1077
01:02:57,560 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 1: way to look at that a little critically of like,

1078
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 1: there's a lot of movies that I think really effectively

1079
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 1: show fellow women and people of marginalized genders like helping

1080
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 1: each other through stuff like that versus like this guy

1081
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 1: you just met making you feel good about yourself. But

1082
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 1: I also think that there is like some beauty in

1083
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 1: that and some like that character seems to feel so

1084
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 1: like vindicated and comforted by the fact that it's like, no,

1085
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 1: you're hot, your husband is who knows what's going on

1086
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 1: with him and you're beautiful and you're great, and like,

1087
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 1: I do think there is some value in hearing that

1088
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 1: from someone that you're attracted to in a way that

1089
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:40,120
Speaker 1: can be like really impact. I don't know, I liked

1090
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 1: that scene, is what I'm saying, Especially because men are

1091
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 1: not conditioned to be equipped to help really anyone with

1092
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 1: their emotional issues that they're going through. I would like

1093
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 1: sex workers of any gender are especially equipped to make

1094
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 1: people feel valued and attractive and loved. That's like the

1095
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 1: service that sex workers often provide. So even though like

1096
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 1: at large, men are conditioned in such a way to

1097
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 1: like not have those skills, these particular men that's their job,

1098
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 1: that's what they're good at. So like Donald Glover gives

1099
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 1: that great sort of like mini monologue about about that

1100
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 1: of like how he and again, I do think that

1101
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 1: there's multiple ways to look at this where there is

1102
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 1: a patronizing vibe to a man saying like we're healers,

1103
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 1: we heal women, and you're like, yeah, sure, but like

1104
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 1: you know, but I think in the context of the

1105
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 1: movie it is like an attempted, very wholesome message because

1106
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 1: when the conversation is before that is like Donald Glover's

1107
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 1: character talking about how through sex work he's like realized

1108
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 1: how infrequently the women that he worked with are like

1109
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:02,640
Speaker 1: listened to and cared for. Yeah, and he's like, Okay,

1110
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 1: so this is something that I can provide that like

1111
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 1: unfairly the women that I meet are not given in

1112
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 1: their day to day life, and it is I do

1113
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:14,440
Speaker 1: think it is a little overly simplistic, and I do

1114
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 1: think it is, like, if you think about it too hard,

1115
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 1: a little patronizing, but because it kind of makes the

1116
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 1: women seem sad, like all of them are sad, and

1117
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 1: some of us are just horny. Some of us are

1118
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:30,960
Speaker 1: like like, okay, i'm here, I'm single, you know, assumingly right,

1119
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 1: Like it's like i'm single, I'm having fun or you know,

1120
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:35,240
Speaker 1: like if you're like a couple of my friends that

1121
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:37,960
Speaker 1: love going to strip club and they're not single, she's like,

1122
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:39,760
Speaker 1: I'm bringing my man, Like we're having a great time.

1123
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 1: Like we're just like we're enjoying, we're tipping the ladies.

1124
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:46,720
Speaker 1: Like there's a whole spectrum available of reasons why you

1125
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 1: would like seek out entertainment like that. Yeah, that's I

1126
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 1: guess that that's like one of them more because this

1127
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 1: movie is written and directed by straight white guys. Yeah,

1128
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 1: like man, and I think you know the fact that

1129
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 1: like mostly straight men are involved at the highest level.

1130
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't really know how they pulled it off,

1131
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 1: but I do think that there is, like there is

1132
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 1: this tendency in this franchise that is true for some

1133
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 1: women but not all, And I feel like maybe that

1134
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:21,840
Speaker 1: is where like the a little bit of dissonance comes

1135
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:27,840
Speaker 1: in that like there is always ad a necessary emotional

1136
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 1: aspect to seeking out sex, work or seeking out pleasure, Like,

1137
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 1: like there there's because of how the men in this

1138
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:44,440
Speaker 1: story approach their work, which again I'm like worked for me, um,

1139
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 1: but it does seem like it's like a prerequisite that

1140
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 1: most of the women they come into contact with are

1141
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:55,320
Speaker 1: not just seeking a physical experience but seeking an emotional experience, right,

1142
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 1: Which is a bit trophy to assume that women need

1143
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 1: an emotional component to sex and pleasure because women are

1144
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:07,480
Speaker 1: so emotional, even though, of course many women and films

1145
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 1: are very capable of non emotional sexual gratification. Although to

1146
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:16,680
Speaker 1: go back to the kind of monologue that Andre gives

1147
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 1: in the car, where he's saying, like, yeah, like men

1148
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 1: don't listen to women. Men never ask women what they

1149
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 1: actually want, and all we have to do is just

1150
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 1: listen to them and ask them what they want. And

1151
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:31,680
Speaker 1: when they tell us, that's a beautiful thing. And my

1152
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:34,959
Speaker 1: initial reaction was like, it is beautiful, and oh my gosh, yes,

1153
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 1: it would be so nice to have someone listen to

1154
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,240
Speaker 1: me and ask me what I want. But then I

1155
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:45,480
Speaker 1: was like, damn, women have to pay men to listen

1156
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:49,720
Speaker 1: to them, and that does pretend to care about them.

1157
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:54,480
Speaker 1: It is. I'm just like, but that has so many

1158
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:56,960
Speaker 1: implications too, because I'm like, well, first of all, it's

1159
01:07:57,000 --> 01:08:01,960
Speaker 1: indicative of the way it's like the individual he's fault, right.

1160
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:05,240
Speaker 1: It's also it's just like indicative of the way men

1161
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 1: are again like socialized in conditioned, especially in like hetero

1162
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 1: romantic relationships, where like men aren't often really taught how

1163
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 1: to like like be romantic or just like have the

1164
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 1: emotional intelligence to like care for their partners emotional needs,

1165
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:25,200
Speaker 1: like just all this stuff. And I don't want to

1166
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:28,840
Speaker 1: sound like I'm I'm suggesting that it's pathetic or anything

1167
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:31,640
Speaker 1: like that in any way to like pay someone up.

1168
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:33,280
Speaker 1: And I don't think that the movie is trying to

1169
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:36,479
Speaker 1: code it that way. No, definitely not, And so I

1170
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:38,439
Speaker 1: just want to make that clear, like there's there's no

1171
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:41,799
Speaker 1: judgment from us or from the movie that like anyone

1172
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 1: would pay for that type of like I don't know,

1173
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:49,080
Speaker 1: just like emotional care that these men are often giving

1174
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 1: to women. But I guess I was just reminded of

1175
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:57,160
Speaker 1: the the bar is so low for male behavior where

1176
01:08:57,200 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 1: it's just like all you have to do is just

1177
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 1: like listen and then like check in with me, and

1178
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 1: then it's just like, oh my god, I'm coming. Literally,

1179
01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:11,479
Speaker 1: all those women, all those older women in uh, South Carolina,

1180
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 1: were just like gushing. They were just so happy to

1181
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:18,680
Speaker 1: have these young men in their home. And also, like

1182
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:23,040
Speaker 1: I think Caroline in Savannah like is also sort of

1183
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 1: utilized to a similar extent. And it's like it sucks

1184
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 1: because in both of those sequences, I was like so

1185
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:30,960
Speaker 1: thrilled for them that they were like getting something that

1186
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:35,519
Speaker 1: they clearly like wanted. But with Andre and Caroline in

1187
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 1: the Savannah sequence, like he brings her up, and I

1188
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:42,439
Speaker 1: think that it seems like she's expecting, you know, I mean,

1189
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:43,760
Speaker 1: I don't know, because I don't know if she's been

1190
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:46,040
Speaker 1: there before, but like you know, it seems like she's

1191
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:50,520
Speaker 1: expecting kind of a traditional, very very physical stripper experience

1192
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 1: and then he lap dance fine, but then he shocks

1193
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:59,040
Speaker 1: and amazes her by asking her a question about her grandma.

1194
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:02,760
Speaker 1: And it's like, again, that scene really works for me.

1195
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:04,639
Speaker 1: I love how it plays out, and it's like the

1196
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 1: character Caroline is clearly like wow, this is great. But

1197
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 1: I did feel like she's a doing hard hard. Becca

1198
01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:17,760
Speaker 1: was so hard. That was like my challenge Cambio obsession

1199
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:21,080
Speaker 1: era right like the first time, and I was like, uh,

1200
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:25,360
Speaker 1: you know, this time, I was like, I mean, I

1201
01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:28,840
Speaker 1: was still kind of loved it, but I like back then,

1202
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:32,040
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, I needed that. And

1203
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:34,400
Speaker 1: so it's like it's in a way it's like I

1204
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:35,960
Speaker 1: don't know, like there's a way to come at it

1205
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:39,479
Speaker 1: where you're like, wow, that is something that most women

1206
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 1: don't even feel entitled to in their day to day life,

1207
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:45,840
Speaker 1: to the point where it's like this would be a

1208
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 1: really unusual thing to happen. And then the other way,

1209
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:52,599
Speaker 1: it's like, well, you know that, like guys are writing

1210
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:55,400
Speaker 1: and directing this, and it's like it is to some extent,

1211
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:59,719
Speaker 1: men writing what they think women want and then controlling

1212
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 1: the behavior of the women in the story to be like, Wow,

1213
01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 1: this is what I want, and so it's like, you know,

1214
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:12,640
Speaker 1: it's a little yeah. I think some of those interactions

1215
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:16,519
Speaker 1: would feel more authentic had there been more women behind

1216
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 1: the camera in creative positions, making creative choices. I had

1217
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:23,599
Speaker 1: way more Like I watched the movie all the way

1218
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:26,360
Speaker 1: through and I was like, well, I love this, I'm horny.

1219
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 1: This is the best ever. And then I think I

1220
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:32,920
Speaker 1: forgot this between our episode of Magic Mike a year

1221
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:35,040
Speaker 1: ago and now. But I was like, oh, yeah, this

1222
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 1: was all written by a white guy who went to Harvard.

1223
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:42,120
Speaker 1: Now I feel dubious, like I was tricked. I enjoy

1224
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:44,320
Speaker 1: his work, I'm a fan, but you're also just like

1225
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:46,679
Speaker 1: I don't want a white guy from Harvard to tell

1226
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:49,599
Speaker 1: me like what women of all generations and races and

1227
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:53,519
Speaker 1: classes want, like how how? But you know what, knowing

1228
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:55,479
Speaker 1: that it was written by a white man from Harvard

1229
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 1: does explain why there wasn't more nudity. I mean also

1230
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:02,800
Speaker 1: like the ratings some but to me, I'm like men

1231
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 1: are so I feel like prude for themselves, which is

1232
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:08,439
Speaker 1: why the rating systems the way that it is, where

1233
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 1: it's like we must exploit women's bodies, but like if

1234
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:12,519
Speaker 1: a dick is on screen, it's rated X. You know.

1235
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:15,599
Speaker 1: I feel like this movie was a lot of fun

1236
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:18,680
Speaker 1: and it was horny in terms of the dancing, and

1237
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:21,000
Speaker 1: like the storyline was I think a little bit more

1238
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:23,160
Speaker 1: horny than the last one, because the first one is

1239
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:27,479
Speaker 1: like more gritty. You're only focusing on magic Michael. You know,

1240
01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:31,040
Speaker 1: obviously magic Michael does his thing. But but I feel

1241
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:34,479
Speaker 1: like the first one was way more nudity in like

1242
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:37,479
Speaker 1: sexiness than in the second one. Like the second one

1243
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:40,719
Speaker 1: is like way more about the sensuality and the people

1244
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 1: and like less bodies, Like we only see full ass

1245
01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:48,200
Speaker 1: at the very end. Why wasn't there more acts? Was

1246
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:51,200
Speaker 1: not a problem with the first one, It was the

1247
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:54,240
Speaker 1: last as we even saw a little bit of Joe

1248
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:58,360
Speaker 1: whatever his last name, I can't pronounce it. It's dick. Yeah, yeah,

1249
01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:01,160
Speaker 1: we did, we did, and we didn't get any dick

1250
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:04,000
Speaker 1: in this movie. Dick. I wonder why that was, Yeah,

1251
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:05,960
Speaker 1: because it was like this movie was more focused on

1252
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:09,120
Speaker 1: emotions and less focused on bodies. But I'm like, you

1253
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:13,760
Speaker 1: can have everybody, come on, let's figure it out. I'm

1254
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:16,320
Speaker 1: glad there wasn't like women knew this time, like there

1255
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:18,160
Speaker 1: wasn't the first one. I feel like there was like

1256
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:21,879
Speaker 1: unnecessary female nudity in the first one, where you're just like, Okay,

1257
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:24,400
Speaker 1: I guess like we're just living in round Florida, and

1258
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:26,880
Speaker 1: I guess that's part of it. But in the second one,

1259
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:30,040
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, glad that we like course corrected that,

1260
01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:32,280
Speaker 1: but also you don't have to take all the udy out.

1261
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:36,280
Speaker 1: I was like, the still men stripping, I want more stripping.

1262
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:39,000
Speaker 1: I had the same complaint, Well, well we're at it,

1263
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 1: let's let's talk about the women that are in this movie,

1264
01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:44,280
Speaker 1: because we've we've got to talk about them very much.

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01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:47,280
Speaker 1: I think that to start with, I mean, uh, the

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01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:49,960
Speaker 1: women that we see in the kind of peripheral of

1267
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:52,919
Speaker 1: this movie. And again, this feels like a very generally

1268
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:57,800
Speaker 1: positive but also like hinged with some baggage where there

1269
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:01,320
Speaker 1: is a lot of racial, class, and body diversity in

1270
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:04,760
Speaker 1: this movie on the surface, but in terms of who

1271
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:10,360
Speaker 1: gets characterized, it's still skews very straight and white. That said,

1272
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:13,320
Speaker 1: I was I think, even for a movie that came

1273
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:16,200
Speaker 1: out like right now, I was kind of struck by

1274
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:19,559
Speaker 1: And again, maybe this just says how low the bar is. Um,

1275
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:23,639
Speaker 1: it probably does, but like there is a focus on

1276
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:27,879
Speaker 1: women feeling pleasure in this movie. This was a big

1277
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:30,479
Speaker 1: talking point when this movie came out. There are many, many,

1278
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:35,320
Speaker 1: many like essays about how it's like, wow, women enjoying

1279
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:40,320
Speaker 1: themselves and like, oh god, we're just like so disservice.

1280
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:45,000
Speaker 1: It's depressing. Like, but you do see like women across

1281
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 1: all these different lines enjoying themselves and being treated like people,

1282
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:51,680
Speaker 1: not being like monked or made a meal of by

1283
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 1: the camera in any way that we're used to seeing.

1284
01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:56,800
Speaker 1: And there is like you just see a wide variety

1285
01:14:57,240 --> 01:15:01,400
Speaker 1: of like people of marginalized gender like having a good

1286
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:05,160
Speaker 1: fucking time and that's great, Like I really loved that.

1287
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:08,800
Speaker 1: But then in terms of like actual women who we

1288
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:10,839
Speaker 1: get to know and that's right, I feel like that's

1289
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:14,120
Speaker 1: perhaps a bit of a different story. Yeah, I think

1290
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:19,360
Speaker 1: especially when it comes to body diversity and body size,

1291
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:22,719
Speaker 1: where there's not much body diversity you see on screen

1292
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:25,519
Speaker 1: for the men, they all pretty much have a like

1293
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:30,559
Speaker 1: quote unquote standard male stripper body, which maybe you would expect.

1294
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:32,880
Speaker 1: But also maybe there's a conversation to be had just

1295
01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:37,080
Speaker 1: on a societal level about like rigid beauty standards when

1296
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 1: it comes to strippers and dancers and models and entertainers

1297
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:45,400
Speaker 1: in general. And I don't think that that's even completely

1298
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 1: like an accurate portrayal of like people who do sex work.

1299
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:52,439
Speaker 1: There are men of all body types work, It's just

1300
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:56,680
Speaker 1: this movie focuses on guys with like pecks and six packs.

1301
01:15:56,760 --> 01:16:02,160
Speaker 1: Very Hollywood, very very very shredded read. Yeah, um, there

1302
01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:06,559
Speaker 1: is more body diversity seen in women on screen. While yes,

1303
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:09,200
Speaker 1: there are a lot of thin women, but there are

1304
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:12,639
Speaker 1: people with bodies of all shapes and sizes on screen,

1305
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:19,599
Speaker 1: including a number of fat women. However, are only ever

1306
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:24,040
Speaker 1: like featured extras. They're always in the audience of the shows.

1307
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:26,760
Speaker 1: We never hear from them or learn their names or

1308
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:30,879
Speaker 1: hear them speak. They are always like spectators paying for

1309
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:35,960
Speaker 1: this like kind of idealized image of masculinity, whereas like

1310
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:40,320
Speaker 1: the love interest characters for the various men are all

1311
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:45,879
Speaker 1: thin and attractive by Western standards of beauty. Yeah. Absolutely,

1312
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:48,400
Speaker 1: I mean it's like the three I think main women

1313
01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:51,360
Speaker 1: we get to focus on this movie are Amber Heard,

1314
01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 1: Jada Pinkett Smith, and Andy McDowell, who all have very

1315
01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:59,800
Speaker 1: traditionally Western beauty standards bodies. I think in particular with

1316
01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:03,960
Speaker 1: the Zoe character, that was like all over the place

1317
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 1: for me because she felt very studio notes to me

1318
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:09,320
Speaker 1: of like why does the magic Mike have a girlfriend

1319
01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:12,320
Speaker 1: in this one? Because she is on the peripheral of

1320
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:14,760
Speaker 1: every scene you have to keep cutting to her to

1321
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:18,679
Speaker 1: remember that she's there, And it's like the script tries

1322
01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:21,799
Speaker 1: to give you and you do get like I almost

1323
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:24,679
Speaker 1: understood why they liked each other, but they don't even

1324
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 1: like it just felt very weird, like where you do

1325
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:31,320
Speaker 1: get a little bit of background into who Zoe is,

1326
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:34,519
Speaker 1: where she says, like what was it? Like I I

1327
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:37,400
Speaker 1: am a photographer, but like the first person who gave

1328
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:39,639
Speaker 1: me a career opportunity was trying to fund me and

1329
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:43,280
Speaker 1: like it ended poorly, and like it feels like kind

1330
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:45,599
Speaker 1: of a story that like I think unfortunately a lot

1331
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:48,640
Speaker 1: of people are familiar with of like imposter syndrome of

1332
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:50,639
Speaker 1: like am I even good at this if the person

1333
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:53,840
Speaker 1: who gave me the opportunity was trying to sexually exploit me,

1334
01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:59,559
Speaker 1: which you know isn't exactly magical Michael's journey, but I understand,

1335
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:03,599
Speaker 1: like why would sort of connect on feeling exploited and like,

1336
01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:07,160
Speaker 1: also he like seems to want like he notices her,

1337
01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:09,840
Speaker 1: he wants to make her happy. But the character just

1338
01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 1: like was pretty underwritten. And then on top of that,

1339
01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:15,599
Speaker 1: like I don't know, the things I appreciated about her

1340
01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:17,320
Speaker 1: was that the movie went out of its way to

1341
01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:21,080
Speaker 1: make her canonically by in a way that wasn't mocking

1342
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:25,000
Speaker 1: or like challenged by the fact that she seemed interested

1343
01:18:25,160 --> 01:18:28,400
Speaker 1: in Magical Michael. He didn't have an issue with it,

1344
01:18:28,479 --> 01:18:31,559
Speaker 1: Like it wasn't even talked about really other than her

1345
01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:36,559
Speaker 1: just stating it, which is rare, felt normalized. Yeah, but

1346
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:39,000
Speaker 1: I just felt like the character was just like why

1347
01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 1: is she here, Like in a way that as a

1348
01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:46,000
Speaker 1: bummer in a movie with so few women. I just

1349
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:48,320
Speaker 1: didn't like. She didn't seem to have much narrative impact,

1350
01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:50,000
Speaker 1: and it just felt like she was added in in

1351
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:55,680
Speaker 1: a not the original draft. I also was confused by

1352
01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:58,600
Speaker 1: an aspect of her character where at one point, I

1353
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:01,800
Speaker 1: think when they first meet her and Mike, she says

1354
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:05,120
Speaker 1: that she's trying to avoid ending up on the poll,

1355
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:08,679
Speaker 1: and I didn't know if that meant that she had

1356
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:11,920
Speaker 1: been a stripper and she's trying to avoid returning to it,

1357
01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:15,040
Speaker 1: because that's how I initially interpreted it. But then I

1358
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:17,400
Speaker 1: was like, I think maybe, yeah, I think maybe she

1359
01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:21,320
Speaker 1: means that she wants to avoid becoming a stripper, as

1360
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:24,240
Speaker 1: if that was something that like, if her photography doesn't

1361
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:26,200
Speaker 1: work out, it would be something that she would have

1362
01:19:26,240 --> 01:19:30,400
Speaker 1: to quote unquote resort to. Yeah. I was like, that's

1363
01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:34,800
Speaker 1: like a weird thing to stripper. And in this movie specifically,

1364
01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:37,519
Speaker 1: it felt like one of those comments that people who

1365
01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 1: have unconscious biases it just bubbles out of them, kind

1366
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:43,640
Speaker 1: of like when I don't like gay people, but you know,

1367
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:46,280
Speaker 1: they say something homophobic. Like it felt kind of like

1368
01:19:46,439 --> 01:19:48,120
Speaker 1: the same byword, Like it's like that's cool that you

1369
01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:49,920
Speaker 1: do it, but like I don't want to do it,

1370
01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:52,320
Speaker 1: but just like keep it behind clothes, don't every something

1371
01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:56,840
Speaker 1: like that? Yeah right, yeah, Like I just I but

1372
01:19:56,880 --> 01:19:58,559
Speaker 1: again it's like that I didn't even pick up on

1373
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:01,400
Speaker 1: that line, to be honest, but it just everything she

1374
01:20:01,479 --> 01:20:05,880
Speaker 1: says and does feel so was this supposed to be here?

1375
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:08,439
Speaker 1: That's how I felt. In the very first scene they chalked,

1376
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:10,040
Speaker 1: I like literally even putting my notes. I was like

1377
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:12,080
Speaker 1: I felt like that improv Like it felt like they

1378
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:13,720
Speaker 1: didn't know what to do. Like I was like, was

1379
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:16,080
Speaker 1: this scripted? Like I felt like like she came up

1380
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:18,200
Speaker 1: to him and the notes were like talk about his

1381
01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:20,280
Speaker 1: dick and he's peeing, and then they didn't know what

1382
01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:22,880
Speaker 1: to do after that and they just like had weird

1383
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:26,160
Speaker 1: banter and then it didn't come up in the next

1384
01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:28,840
Speaker 1: scene everything that had been Like That's why I was like,

1385
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:31,960
Speaker 1: was this character added after shooting? Like I couldn't find

1386
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:34,760
Speaker 1: any information about it, and it probably wasn't, but like

1387
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:37,720
Speaker 1: it just felt like, you know, like magic. Mike in

1388
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:41,360
Speaker 1: the next scene talks with Ken about other stuff that

1389
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:44,479
Speaker 1: they've established in the previous scene, but she doesn't come up.

1390
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:46,800
Speaker 1: And I feel like normally in a scene like that,

1391
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:49,840
Speaker 1: a character like Ken would be like so what was

1392
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:53,000
Speaker 1: up with that girl? Less like she just doesn't come up.

1393
01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:56,440
Speaker 1: It's like she wasn't there. Because they have this weird

1394
01:20:56,560 --> 01:21:00,400
Speaker 1: way like asking each other if they've had sex the

1395
01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:03,160
Speaker 1: night before and it's so corny, but they're like what

1396
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:06,240
Speaker 1: did they say? It made me? They're like did you bangy?

1397
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:12,439
Speaker 1: Did you bang me? Not? Did you bang? Did you

1398
01:21:12,479 --> 01:21:15,160
Speaker 1: bang me? And I'm like, what are you babies? Like

1399
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:17,559
Speaker 1: what are you saying? They're All twelve. Not that I

1400
01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:20,439
Speaker 1: would put it past heaters axual men to like say

1401
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:23,439
Speaker 1: ship like that, but not in my presence. This movie

1402
01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:25,479
Speaker 1: is for me, Like I don't want to watch this.

1403
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:29,519
Speaker 1: I will say that I was so And I'm curious

1404
01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:31,639
Speaker 1: how this kind of bears out with Magic Mike three,

1405
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:35,479
Speaker 1: because I hope that between and now there has been

1406
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:40,040
Speaker 1: I think, you know, not a satisfactory, but significant cultural shift.

1407
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:44,599
Speaker 1: And when this movie came out, the audience for Weekend

1408
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:50,040
Speaker 1: one was nine percent identifying as women. And I'm wondering

1409
01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:52,240
Speaker 1: how that kind of bears out for Magic By three.

1410
01:21:52,280 --> 01:21:55,640
Speaker 1: I feel like have like men caught on to the

1411
01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:59,080
Speaker 1: fact that they're just fucking awesome movies. Yeah that they're fun,

1412
01:21:59,439 --> 01:22:03,920
Speaker 1: they're fun looking fun. What do you hate fun? Okay? Anyways,

1413
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:06,240
Speaker 1: but yeah, I I just and then also on top

1414
01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:10,120
Speaker 1: of that, and this is like no reflection on the actor,

1415
01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 1: because it's like it's not her fault, but like the

1416
01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:15,400
Speaker 1: fact that for both movies, it just seemed like a

1417
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:19,000
Speaker 1: very sequel e thing of like, oh, yeah, he dated

1418
01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:22,720
Speaker 1: a hot, thin white woman in the first movie, so

1419
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:25,800
Speaker 1: we just need to find a different, hot, thin white

1420
01:22:25,880 --> 01:22:28,439
Speaker 1: lady for him to date in the second. Movie and

1421
01:22:28,479 --> 01:22:31,759
Speaker 1: you're like, well, no, you don't. And also I wouldn't

1422
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:34,000
Speaker 1: have been bothered if I don't know. It's it's always

1423
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:35,880
Speaker 1: bizarre when we come up on movies like this where

1424
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:39,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, I just I wouldn't have mind did if

1425
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:42,040
Speaker 1: that woman wasn't in the story, because it's just like

1426
01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:44,439
Speaker 1: she wasn't effectively fit in. She would show up at

1427
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:47,639
Speaker 1: random points. I don't think she really factors into Mike's

1428
01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:50,479
Speaker 1: development as a character very much, And all it really

1429
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:54,000
Speaker 1: seems like for her development is like she was kind

1430
01:22:54,040 --> 01:22:55,880
Speaker 1: of and this was like a note we had about

1431
01:22:56,160 --> 01:23:00,879
Speaker 1: Magical Michael's original girlfriend Brooke was that she's so uptight

1432
01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:04,960
Speaker 1: she can't feel pleasure and like in an even lazier

1433
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:07,719
Speaker 1: way because she's barely in the movie. That's how Zoe's

1434
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:10,639
Speaker 1: character is made to seem like all the other women

1435
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:12,920
Speaker 1: in the scene are really engaged and they want to

1436
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:15,960
Speaker 1: like not only get horny, but like talk about their

1437
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:18,280
Speaker 1: feelings and as do the men, and like it's a

1438
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:21,280
Speaker 1: very kind of like wow, this is cool, but Zoe's

1439
01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:24,280
Speaker 1: like I'm eating cake into kitchen. I'm not like the

1440
01:23:24,360 --> 01:23:28,040
Speaker 1: other girls. I'm not horny, And it's just like what

1441
01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:30,280
Speaker 1: are you trying to tell me with this character? Why

1442
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:33,200
Speaker 1: is she always in the other room? Like can she

1443
01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:36,479
Speaker 1: ever be in the room. It's really bizarre to me

1444
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:40,479
Speaker 1: the way she's written. Yeah, um, but we have we

1445
01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:43,040
Speaker 1: have other women to talk about that have way more

1446
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:47,800
Speaker 1: narrative Rome. Can we talk about Rome? Yes? I love

1447
01:23:48,200 --> 01:23:53,160
Speaker 1: that she's a successful business owner. Most of her customers,

1448
01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:56,280
Speaker 1: it seems, are black women. It seems as though Rome's

1449
01:23:56,360 --> 01:24:00,600
Speaker 1: like mission statement for her business is she wants to

1450
01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:05,200
Speaker 1: create a space where black women can enjoy themselves, where

1451
01:24:05,240 --> 01:24:09,920
Speaker 1: they can feel valued and appreciated and beautiful. She like

1452
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:13,280
Speaker 1: makes a point to like go around to different women

1453
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:18,280
Speaker 1: at this like horny mansion and be like and like

1454
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:21,439
Speaker 1: you're all queens. I have so many questions about the

1455
01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:25,559
Speaker 1: Horny Mansion, like and and that said, like listeners, if

1456
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:28,240
Speaker 1: you know that these horny mansions exist and if they're safe,

1457
01:24:28,320 --> 01:24:33,160
Speaker 1: like drop the links. I want to go seriously to

1458
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:36,760
Speaker 1: the Horny Mansion. Um. But yeah, she just like she

1459
01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:41,280
Speaker 1: wants to again just like create this safe space. And

1460
01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:44,680
Speaker 1: it seems like a safe space for both the performers

1461
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:49,040
Speaker 1: and the clientele. And she seems just like be curating

1462
01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:54,120
Speaker 1: this like great space again specifically for black women, because

1463
01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:59,880
Speaker 1: black women are so historically undervalued and underappreciated that she's

1464
01:25:00,680 --> 01:25:03,320
Speaker 1: and this never gets explicitly stated in the movie, but

1465
01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:06,760
Speaker 1: that was my read on that, but also romantically discriminated,

1466
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:09,200
Speaker 1: you know, like this is a safe space for black

1467
01:25:09,240 --> 01:25:13,800
Speaker 1: women to express their desires and to be desired in

1468
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:17,760
Speaker 1: a way that like in the other club circles, I

1469
01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:20,880
Speaker 1: feel like it is more about like with the white

1470
01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:23,320
Speaker 1: dancers and the white male entertainers, you know, it's about

1471
01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:26,720
Speaker 1: them being like, look at me and all my sexiness,

1472
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:30,519
Speaker 1: and I know you want this, whereas like in um

1473
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:34,639
Speaker 1: Rome's club, you know, it's focus more from an honest

1474
01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:37,960
Speaker 1: place of her pleasure, Like it's like, this is about

1475
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:41,640
Speaker 1: her desire and what does she want? How can we

1476
01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:44,640
Speaker 1: make her feel special? Like this is about you and

1477
01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:47,040
Speaker 1: not about how sexy I am. It's about how do

1478
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:49,960
Speaker 1: I turn you on? And there's so many rooms. There's

1479
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:52,200
Speaker 1: so many rooms that I got turned on um And

1480
01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:55,600
Speaker 1: I think, especially like I listens, I make a lot

1481
01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:58,559
Speaker 1: of comments right now about black and row woman I am,

1482
01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:01,120
Speaker 1: and after Latina, I am a black and brown woman.

1483
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:03,760
Speaker 1: But all that to say, I feel like it was

1484
01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:07,760
Speaker 1: very beautiful to see like especially dark skinned black men

1485
01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:12,280
Speaker 1: be interested in desiring these you know, or making these

1486
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:15,439
Speaker 1: black women feel desired, because so many times oftentimes like

1487
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:18,040
Speaker 1: that is so not the case. So I thought that

1488
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:20,599
Speaker 1: was really lovely. That was like, you know, a space

1489
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:23,760
Speaker 1: where these women can find what they're looking for because

1490
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:29,959
Speaker 1: their communities refuse to acknowledge them. So for sure. Yeah,

1491
01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:33,360
Speaker 1: and it felt like those themes and like that was

1492
01:26:33,400 --> 01:26:35,120
Speaker 1: introduced in a very in a way that was very

1493
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:37,880
Speaker 1: organic to the story too, in a way that I

1494
01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:41,120
Speaker 1: feel like sometimes killing I forget what movie we were

1495
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:42,960
Speaker 1: talking about this recently, where it feels like a lot

1496
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:47,519
Speaker 1: of times between movies and franchises, there's like a very

1497
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:50,599
Speaker 1: needed demand for like why was there no diversity in

1498
01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:53,439
Speaker 1: this movie? Why was there no like diversity of race

1499
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:56,760
Speaker 1: or class or body type or anything. And then the

1500
01:26:56,840 --> 01:27:00,679
Speaker 1: way that the sequels try to address it are very fine.

1501
01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:03,840
Speaker 1: Here you go, like in a way that's very careless

1502
01:27:04,360 --> 01:27:08,719
Speaker 1: and like worse than if they had done nothing. So again,

1503
01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:10,880
Speaker 1: it's like the bar is absolutely on the floor. I'm

1504
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:13,800
Speaker 1: not even congratulating the Magic Mike team for having done this,

1505
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:17,960
Speaker 1: but it's like there was a glaring lack of diversity

1506
01:27:18,240 --> 01:27:20,679
Speaker 1: in the first movie. It was something that we talked

1507
01:27:20,720 --> 01:27:24,639
Speaker 1: about We're being in Florida, like it's like right, right,

1508
01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:28,800
Speaker 1: and and so it's like the movie, you know, like

1509
01:27:29,200 --> 01:27:32,800
Speaker 1: it felt like the higher up creatives like did hear

1510
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:36,640
Speaker 1: that criticism and tried to make the movie more equitable

1511
01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:39,880
Speaker 1: and diverse in a way that also felt very like

1512
01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:42,240
Speaker 1: in step with what the story was and not in

1513
01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:45,200
Speaker 1: a way that was like fine, there you go, like

1514
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:48,880
Speaker 1: because I feel like viewers can you can feel when

1515
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:52,240
Speaker 1: that's happening. For sure, I agree, especially with the club

1516
01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:54,600
Speaker 1: being in Georgia, Like I felt like that was like

1517
01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:57,760
Speaker 1: very organic to what it could have been. And I

1518
01:27:57,800 --> 01:27:59,320
Speaker 1: think the only way they could have done it right

1519
01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:02,920
Speaker 1: was having um rome b Jada Pagin Smith you know,

1520
01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:06,240
Speaker 1: or like a black actress like it definitely could not

1521
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:08,040
Speaker 1: have been a man. And I'm glad that they made it.

1522
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:13,439
Speaker 1: I'm a damn owning this horny mansion. Right. She's so

1523
01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:16,720
Speaker 1: fucking I mean and truly like Jada Pinkett Smith is

1524
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:20,240
Speaker 1: just like such a potent person. She's so great. Like

1525
01:28:20,360 --> 01:28:23,600
Speaker 1: you forget about Matthew McConney, like you just do, and

1526
01:28:23,720 --> 01:28:26,240
Speaker 1: no you did not. I hated Matthew mcconnughey in the

1527
01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:30,679
Speaker 1: first one, I feel like a better edition, Like because

1528
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:33,439
Speaker 1: Matthew coconney was so gross. His whole character was like

1529
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:36,240
Speaker 1: I'm on cocaine. Was the vibe Like it was just

1530
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:39,960
Speaker 1: like and it wasn't like Matthew McConaughey, like his character

1531
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:44,920
Speaker 1: like did not respect or understand what women wanted outside

1532
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:48,519
Speaker 1: of a way that made him money. It just seemed

1533
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:51,599
Speaker 1: like Rome. It wasn't that she didn't want their money.

1534
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:55,400
Speaker 1: She absolutely did, and judgment isn't passed on her for that,

1535
01:28:55,520 --> 01:28:57,960
Speaker 1: and I think rightfully so. But also it's like she

1536
01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:01,479
Speaker 1: knew what to do better Dallas did. She was creating

1537
01:29:01,520 --> 01:29:04,080
Speaker 1: a real experience set at the core was what these

1538
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:08,240
Speaker 1: women wanted versus Dallas is like, I'm a creepy, money

1539
01:29:08,320 --> 01:29:13,000
Speaker 1: hungry man who owns a club, you know, which, Like statistically,

1540
01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:16,320
Speaker 1: women that own clubs like stripper clubs and things like

1541
01:29:16,360 --> 01:29:20,479
Speaker 1: that have better, you know, employees because the women feel

1542
01:29:20,520 --> 01:29:24,160
Speaker 1: cared for and protected in a way that men simply

1543
01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:27,360
Speaker 1: don't do that to their workers. So well, a big

1544
01:29:27,400 --> 01:29:29,800
Speaker 1: thing that the characters were dealing with in the first

1545
01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:33,880
Speaker 1: movie is that Dallas was like exploiting their labor and

1546
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:37,320
Speaker 1: like not paying anyone well enough, whereas it seems like

1547
01:29:37,640 --> 01:29:42,479
Speaker 1: in Rome's horny mansion, she's and again the movie doesn't

1548
01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:45,439
Speaker 1: get into this with any specificity, but it seems at

1549
01:29:45,479 --> 01:29:50,120
Speaker 1: least that the like male performers and entertainers in her

1550
01:29:50,160 --> 01:29:55,000
Speaker 1: house are given like artistic freedom because some of them

1551
01:29:55,040 --> 01:29:56,920
Speaker 1: are doing like very horny dances. And then you have

1552
01:29:56,960 --> 01:29:59,599
Speaker 1: Andre who like only just like takes his shirt off

1553
01:29:59,800 --> 01:30:02,720
Speaker 1: and and he's just like freestyle wrapping the rest of

1554
01:30:02,720 --> 01:30:06,679
Speaker 1: the time, like he's not doing like traditional stripping, he's

1555
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:11,240
Speaker 1: like doing his music and also like showing his abs too.

1556
01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:13,920
Speaker 1: But like it does it reminded me of like it's

1557
01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:16,559
Speaker 1: like when you I don't know, I mean, I'm a

1558
01:30:16,600 --> 01:30:19,439
Speaker 1: fan of Jumbo's clown Room in l A. And it's

1559
01:30:19,479 --> 01:30:22,759
Speaker 1: like that is a club where it is predominantly women,

1560
01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:26,800
Speaker 1: but not exclusively, but like it's a club where as

1561
01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:29,439
Speaker 1: far as I know, generally people who work their love

1562
01:30:29,479 --> 01:30:31,839
Speaker 1: working there because they're given a lot of creative freedom.

1563
01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:34,639
Speaker 1: And that's like part of the point. And I think

1564
01:30:34,640 --> 01:30:38,439
Speaker 1: that this is like a um criticism. I saw this

1565
01:30:38,479 --> 01:30:40,680
Speaker 1: franchise that I don't know, I mean, I I have

1566
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:43,639
Speaker 1: never done sex working. I don't feel like my opinion

1567
01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:46,320
Speaker 1: here carries a lot of weight, but I just wanted

1568
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:50,320
Speaker 1: to bring it up of like, because this movie I

1569
01:30:50,360 --> 01:30:52,280
Speaker 1: do feel like there are elements of Magic Mike that

1570
01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:55,200
Speaker 1: are like, it's kind of a fantasy movie in a

1571
01:30:55,200 --> 01:30:58,040
Speaker 1: lot of ways, because in order for it to be

1572
01:30:58,120 --> 01:31:00,680
Speaker 1: as cathartic and amazing as it is, you have to

1573
01:31:00,720 --> 01:31:03,800
Speaker 1: ignore things that happen in the world. Things that happen

1574
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:07,080
Speaker 1: in the world don't happen in the Magic Mike cinematic universe.

1575
01:31:07,720 --> 01:31:11,160
Speaker 1: And that's not a criticism. I'm glad that horrible things

1576
01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:14,120
Speaker 1: don't really happen in this world. I love that about

1577
01:31:14,120 --> 01:31:17,879
Speaker 1: this movie. Yeah, I was like, this movie was pleasant

1578
01:31:17,920 --> 01:31:22,000
Speaker 1: from start to finish, Like there's no real traumas, Like

1579
01:31:22,040 --> 01:31:24,840
Speaker 1: it was just guys getting to know each other and

1580
01:31:24,920 --> 01:31:28,519
Speaker 1: solving their problem at the end of the day. That right.

1581
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:31,559
Speaker 1: So I came across this article that that came out

1582
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:34,960
Speaker 1: at the time that this movie came out in twenty fifteen.

1583
01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:39,200
Speaker 1: It's by Chloe Cooper Jones in Vice articles called Magic

1584
01:31:39,240 --> 01:31:42,719
Speaker 1: Mike Excel was the most important feminist movie, of which,

1585
01:31:43,320 --> 01:31:47,880
Speaker 1: my god, if that's true, U was goal for us.

1586
01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:52,439
Speaker 1: There's no women in the movie. But okay, right, um

1587
01:31:52,479 --> 01:31:56,640
Speaker 1: not no women few okay um, But but she interviewed

1588
01:31:56,840 --> 01:32:00,479
Speaker 1: the former president of the American Philosophical Association, a person

1589
01:32:00,520 --> 01:32:04,920
Speaker 1: named Linda Martin Alcof, who had some criticisms with this

1590
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:07,439
Speaker 1: movie that I thought were interesting, even if I didn't

1591
01:32:07,439 --> 01:32:09,240
Speaker 1: totally agree with them, and I just wanted to kind

1592
01:32:09,240 --> 01:32:14,559
Speaker 1: of bring them up. She's sad. Dr Alcof quote. There's

1593
01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:17,759
Speaker 1: a danger when popular culture uses feminist ideas in ways

1594
01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:21,519
Speaker 1: that not only misrepresent, but mislead. This is the case

1595
01:32:21,560 --> 01:32:24,280
Speaker 1: with Magic Mike XXL, which appears to be about the

1596
01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:27,439
Speaker 1: gender equality of men and women in sex work. So

1597
01:32:27,479 --> 01:32:30,240
Speaker 1: the movie makes use of this representation and then goes

1598
01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:32,880
Speaker 1: on to portray sex work as a choice individuals can make.

1599
01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:35,639
Speaker 1: It does not show the real costs, the constant violence,

1600
01:32:35,720 --> 01:32:39,680
Speaker 1: regular dehumanization by clients, wage theft, and sexual violence that

1601
01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:42,280
Speaker 1: is part of so much sex work. So there is

1602
01:32:42,280 --> 01:32:47,320
Speaker 1: a falseness to that representation. Unquote. I see what she's saying,

1603
01:32:47,560 --> 01:32:50,200
Speaker 1: but I also don't think that that has a place

1604
01:32:50,240 --> 01:32:53,800
Speaker 1: in this franchise. That's not why this exists exactly, but

1605
01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:57,200
Speaker 1: it does feel worth acknowledging. We're obvious like this is

1606
01:32:57,200 --> 01:33:00,400
Speaker 1: a fantasy, like magic Mike XXL Special. I feel like

1607
01:33:00,439 --> 01:33:02,240
Speaker 1: the first one they like kinda like that it was

1608
01:33:02,280 --> 01:33:04,760
Speaker 1: all over the place, honestly the first one, but the

1609
01:33:04,840 --> 01:33:07,439
Speaker 1: second one like it was like the goal is fun.

1610
01:33:07,720 --> 01:33:10,640
Speaker 1: This is a fantasy. We know that this is not

1611
01:33:10,720 --> 01:33:13,240
Speaker 1: how the world works, but that is the point of fiction,

1612
01:33:13,600 --> 01:33:17,400
Speaker 1: that this is fiction so exactly. And then the other

1613
01:33:17,479 --> 01:33:20,120
Speaker 1: criticism I myself of this movie popping up is for

1614
01:33:20,160 --> 01:33:24,880
Speaker 1: all the diversity of like women feeling pleasure in this movie,

1615
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:28,599
Speaker 1: outside of the fact that it's still um, straight thin

1616
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:32,280
Speaker 1: women that seem to be getting precedents, that there's no

1617
01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:37,040
Speaker 1: representation of disability, which I think it's fair, especially in

1618
01:33:37,040 --> 01:33:40,000
Speaker 1: a movie that seems to be prioritizing such a wide

1619
01:33:40,040 --> 01:33:42,920
Speaker 1: spectrum of pleasure that we didn't see any disabled women

1620
01:33:43,520 --> 01:33:48,600
Speaker 1: did feel a bit glaring. But okay, what can we

1621
01:33:48,600 --> 01:33:53,000
Speaker 1: talk a little bit more about Andy McDowell's character. Yes,

1622
01:33:53,320 --> 01:33:56,320
Speaker 1: let's do it. I wanted to point out a few

1623
01:33:56,960 --> 01:34:02,200
Speaker 1: positive a few things I enjoyed. You see sexual desire

1624
01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:07,800
Speaker 1: in older women and like horny mom energy and like

1625
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:11,640
Speaker 1: they are expressing their frustrations of like some of them

1626
01:34:11,680 --> 01:34:14,040
Speaker 1: are like feeling sexually repressed and you know, we we

1627
01:34:14,080 --> 01:34:15,960
Speaker 1: talked to a little bit about this already, but I

1628
01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:18,599
Speaker 1: was just I appreciated there being a representation of like

1629
01:34:19,600 --> 01:34:24,680
Speaker 1: older women's sexuality being a thing on screen, and that

1630
01:34:25,160 --> 01:34:28,920
Speaker 1: big dick Ritchie gets with an older woman or a

1631
01:34:28,920 --> 01:34:31,959
Speaker 1: woman older than him, and they called her absolutely beautiful.

1632
01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:34,400
Speaker 1: I think, like they were like that beautiful, amazing woman

1633
01:34:34,520 --> 01:34:36,120
Speaker 1: or whatever. And they didn't call her old, and they

1634
01:34:36,120 --> 01:34:39,200
Speaker 1: didn't say mills. And I appreciate that they were just

1635
01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:47,760
Speaker 1: like she's hot as hell, good job, just accurate, I mean, right.

1636
01:34:48,600 --> 01:34:53,120
Speaker 1: And I also appreciated that you have a mom telling

1637
01:34:54,120 --> 01:34:57,400
Speaker 1: her daughter to like play the field and like don't

1638
01:34:57,439 --> 01:35:00,360
Speaker 1: stop until you find like the best dick of your life,

1639
01:35:00,760 --> 01:35:04,519
Speaker 1: where you would normally see on screen a mother like

1640
01:35:04,720 --> 01:35:08,040
Speaker 1: slut shaming her daughter or like warning her of like

1641
01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:12,680
Speaker 1: the quote unquote dangers of having multiple partners. I was

1642
01:35:12,680 --> 01:35:16,479
Speaker 1: gonna say, because I tend to associate like a Southern

1643
01:35:16,520 --> 01:35:18,800
Speaker 1: woman in her forties or fifties as being this kind

1644
01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:23,280
Speaker 1: of like pearl clutching, like well, I never kind of like,

1645
01:35:23,400 --> 01:35:26,320
Speaker 1: oh my goodness, and I know that that's a stereotype,

1646
01:35:26,400 --> 01:35:28,439
Speaker 1: but I've seen it in a bunch of movies, and

1647
01:35:28,479 --> 01:35:31,840
Speaker 1: when the only representation you see of something is a stereotype,

1648
01:35:32,360 --> 01:35:34,840
Speaker 1: you think that that must be the truth, which is

1649
01:35:34,840 --> 01:35:37,400
Speaker 1: what our whole show is about anyway. Yeah, so for

1650
01:35:37,479 --> 01:35:40,760
Speaker 1: Nancy to be like, yeah, my daughter should fuck a

1651
01:35:40,840 --> 01:35:44,840
Speaker 1: bunch of men, including male strippers, that was pretty serversive.

1652
01:35:44,880 --> 01:35:47,240
Speaker 1: That was pretty cool, I liked, And again, it like

1653
01:35:47,320 --> 01:35:50,880
Speaker 1: fit into the story in a very cool and logical way.

1654
01:35:51,040 --> 01:35:55,040
Speaker 1: I read a few um accounts of like younger women

1655
01:35:55,040 --> 01:35:59,040
Speaker 1: bringing their moms to this movie and mom's feeling really

1656
01:35:59,160 --> 01:36:02,599
Speaker 1: like liberated by that scene because I did. I think

1657
01:36:02,720 --> 01:36:05,760
Speaker 1: it was in that same Vice article where um, the

1658
01:36:05,840 --> 01:36:09,160
Speaker 1: writer whose name is Chloe Cooper Jones was describing seeing

1659
01:36:09,200 --> 01:36:10,840
Speaker 1: this movie with her mom and her mom like kind

1660
01:36:10,840 --> 01:36:14,640
Speaker 1: of tensing up when the Andy mcdowalls scene started because

1661
01:36:15,200 --> 01:36:19,280
Speaker 1: women are so conditioned to seeing like any woman over

1662
01:36:19,400 --> 01:36:22,520
Speaker 1: a certain age treated as a joke if they're experiencing

1663
01:36:22,520 --> 01:36:26,799
Speaker 1: any sexual desire. And then like really loving that scene

1664
01:36:26,840 --> 01:36:30,120
Speaker 1: because I don't know, they're just like treated like people

1665
01:36:30,320 --> 01:36:34,000
Speaker 1: that are horny, which makes sense, And I loved that

1666
01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:36,400
Speaker 1: scene with like it just felt very like true to

1667
01:36:36,439 --> 01:36:39,000
Speaker 1: that character where she was really horny, but also like,

1668
01:36:39,479 --> 01:36:42,599
Speaker 1: what's going on where um Andy mcdowall's character like asked

1669
01:36:42,920 --> 01:36:45,280
Speaker 1: big Dick Ritchie, like if she could unzip him, and

1670
01:36:45,320 --> 01:36:47,639
Speaker 1: then he was or what did he say? Like she said,

1671
01:36:47,640 --> 01:36:52,400
Speaker 1: can I pop the hood? Pop up something objectifying men?

1672
01:36:52,520 --> 01:36:55,639
Speaker 1: That's not nice? But it's like that scene fucking ruled.

1673
01:36:55,800 --> 01:36:58,599
Speaker 1: I just like it was really it was really nice.

1674
01:36:58,640 --> 01:37:01,920
Speaker 1: I like that the movie wanted to take all of

1675
01:37:01,960 --> 01:37:04,320
Speaker 1: these like I don't know, because it's like road trip

1676
01:37:04,360 --> 01:37:07,040
Speaker 1: movies are so episodic like this, but this felt like

1677
01:37:07,080 --> 01:37:10,479
Speaker 1: really intentionally episodic of like, here's a woman you don't

1678
01:37:10,520 --> 01:37:13,280
Speaker 1: normally see in a movie like this, experiencing pleasure and

1679
01:37:13,320 --> 01:37:16,080
Speaker 1: having a nice time. Isn't that great? All right, they're gone,

1680
01:37:16,320 --> 01:37:19,760
Speaker 1: and that's kind of like, yeah, that was great. Yeah cool.

1681
01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:24,599
Speaker 1: Another kind of episodic thing that happens a little stop

1682
01:37:24,640 --> 01:37:31,439
Speaker 1: they make on the trip is the drag Show, which

1683
01:37:31,640 --> 01:37:34,760
Speaker 1: I was the first stop. Yeah, yeah, I had some questions.

1684
01:37:35,040 --> 01:37:38,439
Speaker 1: So you have this scene taking place at a nightclub

1685
01:37:38,520 --> 01:37:44,920
Speaker 1: called Mad Mary's. The drag queen character Tori Snatch played

1686
01:37:44,920 --> 01:37:50,000
Speaker 1: by Vicky Vox, is like hosting this show and then

1687
01:37:50,640 --> 01:37:54,200
Speaker 1: says something like all right, now, all of you amateur

1688
01:37:54,280 --> 01:37:57,320
Speaker 1: queens get up here and strut your stuff, and I'll

1689
01:37:57,320 --> 01:38:00,479
Speaker 1: give you four hundred dollars to the winner. No one

1690
01:38:00,520 --> 01:38:04,360
Speaker 1: who gets on stage is in drag, including because like

1691
01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:07,800
Speaker 1: you understand why, like Magic Mike and his friends are

1692
01:38:07,880 --> 01:38:10,519
Speaker 1: not in drag. But the first few people who get

1693
01:38:10,520 --> 01:38:15,200
Speaker 1: on stage were clearly people who were there to participate

1694
01:38:15,280 --> 01:38:18,120
Speaker 1: in this drag competition, and for some reason, they're not

1695
01:38:18,160 --> 01:38:21,920
Speaker 1: in drag. And then you have these seems as though

1696
01:38:22,040 --> 01:38:27,520
Speaker 1: mostly straight guys going on stage kind of inserting themselves

1697
01:38:27,560 --> 01:38:32,120
Speaker 1: into this like queer space, into this queer competition, I

1698
01:38:32,160 --> 01:38:34,559
Speaker 1: would say, not doing a very good job, and then

1699
01:38:34,600 --> 01:38:38,519
Speaker 1: somehow still winning, and he was half passing it big time,

1700
01:38:38,800 --> 01:38:44,880
Speaker 1: and nevertheless he persisted there. So I found that confusing,

1701
01:38:44,960 --> 01:38:47,400
Speaker 1: and it just felt like a scene that was written

1702
01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:52,760
Speaker 1: by straight men. Oh for sure, it's like men, like

1703
01:38:53,200 --> 01:38:56,759
Speaker 1: they had no idea. They were like, oh, well, Fluffy

1704
01:38:56,920 --> 01:39:04,240
Speaker 1: like is wearing the what's a face costume from the Yeah,

1705
01:39:04,360 --> 01:39:07,479
Speaker 1: so he's wearing the costume, but that's not a drag costume.

1706
01:39:07,520 --> 01:39:11,759
Speaker 1: That is like a normal costume. And it's also vaguely

1707
01:39:11,840 --> 01:39:15,360
Speaker 1: racialized because like that is a like Argentinian banana. I

1708
01:39:15,360 --> 01:39:18,960
Speaker 1: think they're from Argentina. Those bananas, um, so you know

1709
01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:24,000
Speaker 1: it's just like okay, it was like the closest they

1710
01:39:24,040 --> 01:39:25,720
Speaker 1: could think. They're like, well, we can't actually put them

1711
01:39:25,720 --> 01:39:28,120
Speaker 1: in drag because like that's too gay and these are

1712
01:39:28,160 --> 01:39:30,439
Speaker 1: straight men. We have to remember that they dress up,

1713
01:39:30,840 --> 01:39:35,960
Speaker 1: but they're not gay. They're performing masculinity for women. It

1714
01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:39,599
Speaker 1: has to be hetero, which is something that I'm curious about,

1715
01:39:39,640 --> 01:39:44,120
Speaker 1: Like will the third movie Dare to not have a

1716
01:39:44,160 --> 01:39:47,120
Speaker 1: single moment that feels a little no homo in a

1717
01:39:47,160 --> 01:39:51,320
Speaker 1: way that I think that, Like, again, this movie improves

1718
01:39:51,400 --> 01:39:55,160
Speaker 1: upon the first in that regard, but there are still

1719
01:39:55,240 --> 01:39:59,439
Speaker 1: little moments where were just like why although there's one

1720
01:39:59,520 --> 01:40:03,960
Speaker 1: crumb that I maybe would give the movie, give me

1721
01:40:04,120 --> 01:40:07,439
Speaker 1: give me that crowb it's when I think they've checked

1722
01:40:07,439 --> 01:40:09,719
Speaker 1: into the convention. So they're like staying in the hotel

1723
01:40:09,960 --> 01:40:15,160
Speaker 1: in Myrtle Beach and Magic Mike and Tito get into

1724
01:40:15,360 --> 01:40:17,760
Speaker 1: the one bed that's in the room, get into the

1725
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:22,120
Speaker 1: bed together, and there's no like gay panic moment, there's

1726
01:40:22,120 --> 01:40:24,519
Speaker 1: no like what we hope to share a bed. They

1727
01:40:24,560 --> 01:40:26,920
Speaker 1: just get into the bed together and start talking about

1728
01:40:27,040 --> 01:40:32,160
Speaker 1: frozen yogurt, and I was like, wow, it's it's a crumb.

1729
01:40:32,280 --> 01:40:34,960
Speaker 1: But I was like, huh, but honestly, like most movies

1730
01:40:35,040 --> 01:40:38,519
Speaker 1: would be like, now let's go like let's go wild

1731
01:40:38,600 --> 01:40:41,639
Speaker 1: on this moment. And I guess the crumb is that

1732
01:40:41,680 --> 01:40:44,240
Speaker 1: they like don't make fun of the drag queens or

1733
01:40:44,280 --> 01:40:46,680
Speaker 1: like you know, going to a gay bar like they

1734
01:40:46,680 --> 01:40:50,240
Speaker 1: were like they apparently go every year. Yeah, they like

1735
01:40:50,360 --> 01:40:53,000
Speaker 1: say that they go every time that they go to

1736
01:40:53,120 --> 01:40:58,800
Speaker 1: this competition. So another smidgen crumb, another tiny little crome,

1737
01:40:59,360 --> 01:41:01,439
Speaker 1: which like, yeah, it's like and it makes sense, like

1738
01:41:01,439 --> 01:41:02,920
Speaker 1: it's like they have a lot in common. They work

1739
01:41:02,920 --> 01:41:05,400
Speaker 1: in similar settings, like cool, it makes sense that everyone

1740
01:41:05,439 --> 01:41:08,240
Speaker 1: would get along here and the movie doesn't like try

1741
01:41:08,280 --> 01:41:12,120
Speaker 1: to do anything weird about it, right, and which just

1742
01:41:12,160 --> 01:41:15,639
Speaker 1: goes to show how low the bar is, right because

1743
01:41:15,640 --> 01:41:18,200
Speaker 1: you you're always like if something funked up about to happen,

1744
01:41:18,320 --> 01:41:21,200
Speaker 1: because I don't trust these men, but this, I mean,

1745
01:41:21,240 --> 01:41:25,000
Speaker 1: this franchise will will generally go with not even just

1746
01:41:25,080 --> 01:41:28,080
Speaker 1: like a more realistic choice, but like the Path of

1747
01:41:28,240 --> 01:41:31,800
Speaker 1: Least Resistance narratively, like it makes more sense that this

1748
01:41:31,840 --> 01:41:38,599
Speaker 1: group of men would be friends than not. So yeah, true, Um,

1749
01:41:38,920 --> 01:41:42,680
Speaker 1: is there anything else we want to talk about? No,

1750
01:41:42,760 --> 01:41:45,439
Speaker 1: but I do want to mention that the Twilight Stripper

1751
01:41:45,479 --> 01:41:47,800
Speaker 1: moment killed me and I always felt like that was

1752
01:41:47,960 --> 01:41:50,320
Speaker 1: very of the era as someone who used to be

1753
01:41:50,320 --> 01:41:55,679
Speaker 1: a twy heart. I Team I. Okay, I bounced back

1754
01:41:55,680 --> 01:41:57,880
Speaker 1: and forth, but I think ultimately I was Team Edward.

1755
01:41:58,160 --> 01:42:01,800
Speaker 1: Oh that's the wrong answer. Unfortunately it's all about Team Jacob. No,

1756
01:42:01,920 --> 01:42:05,040
Speaker 1: but also like they're but the right answer is neither

1757
01:42:05,080 --> 01:42:09,599
Speaker 1: team Nobody. Yeah, team not even Team Bella, like team

1758
01:42:09,880 --> 01:42:12,599
Speaker 1: Why am I reading this? Like all three of them

1759
01:42:12,600 --> 01:42:16,320
Speaker 1: are kind of diabolical, and I was, Yeah, I was

1760
01:42:16,360 --> 01:42:18,719
Speaker 1: Team Jacob back in the day, and which you would

1761
01:42:18,760 --> 01:42:22,400
Speaker 1: catch a lot of ship for that. It was brutal um.

1762
01:42:22,439 --> 01:42:25,960
Speaker 1: But also all three teams everyone's wrong. Everyone was wrong.

1763
01:42:26,240 --> 01:42:30,639
Speaker 1: Magic Mike EXXEL seems to understand that. It does seem

1764
01:42:30,680 --> 01:42:32,400
Speaker 1: to understand that because they made fun of them, they

1765
01:42:32,400 --> 01:42:36,640
Speaker 1: were like the fucking vampire acts warning. Yeah, And the

1766
01:42:37,040 --> 01:42:38,879
Speaker 1: last thing I wanted to say, because I didn't realize

1767
01:42:38,920 --> 01:42:43,200
Speaker 1: like the two I think the two most successful erotic

1768
01:42:43,240 --> 01:42:48,519
Speaker 1: movies were Magic Mike XXL and the Final fifty Shades

1769
01:42:48,520 --> 01:42:51,240
Speaker 1: of Gray movie. And so if we're putting ourselves in

1770
01:42:51,479 --> 01:42:54,840
Speaker 1: that headspace, it made me appreciate Magic Mike exic fell

1771
01:42:54,920 --> 01:42:57,920
Speaker 1: a lot more because you think of how you know,

1772
01:42:58,040 --> 01:43:03,280
Speaker 1: they are both technically folks on women's pleasure. But if

1773
01:43:03,320 --> 01:43:05,160
Speaker 1: you watch a Fifty Shades of Gray movie, it's like, oh,

1774
01:43:05,200 --> 01:43:08,960
Speaker 1: this domineering guy who doesn't respect boundaries and it's like

1775
01:43:09,160 --> 01:43:13,960
Speaker 1: ruining your life, like hates her, like you're just like, well,

1776
01:43:13,960 --> 01:43:17,200
Speaker 1: I guess honestly, Magic Mike x Excel was in that

1777
01:43:17,320 --> 01:43:23,800
Speaker 1: media landscape a miracle, which is so depressing. But yeah,

1778
01:43:23,960 --> 01:43:25,719
Speaker 1: that was that was my That was my final thought

1779
01:43:26,000 --> 01:43:29,639
Speaker 1: on it. But does it pass the Bechtel test? Folks? Oh,

1780
01:43:29,720 --> 01:43:33,160
Speaker 1: you know what, I don't think it does or I

1781
01:43:33,160 --> 01:43:36,080
Speaker 1: don't know if it's two lines of dialogue. But in

1782
01:43:36,320 --> 01:43:40,519
Speaker 1: theory you got Paris and Rome chatting about their love

1783
01:43:40,600 --> 01:43:45,000
Speaker 1: for one another. But it is narrowly like in the

1784
01:43:45,120 --> 01:43:49,160
Speaker 1: vein of male entertainment. So I feel like that would

1785
01:43:49,200 --> 01:43:52,080
Speaker 1: have been the only time that it would have passed,

1786
01:43:52,800 --> 01:43:56,240
Speaker 1: right because all the horny moms are they aren't really

1787
01:43:56,280 --> 01:44:00,760
Speaker 1: talking amongst themselves, They're mostly talking to the And I

1788
01:44:00,800 --> 01:44:03,200
Speaker 1: do think it passed, but it wasn't like as thorough

1789
01:44:03,320 --> 01:44:06,080
Speaker 1: passes you would like. I think there were like individual

1790
01:44:06,760 --> 01:44:08,880
Speaker 1: because the movie does seem to go out of its

1791
01:44:08,880 --> 01:44:12,240
Speaker 1: way to give every woman a name in a way

1792
01:44:12,280 --> 01:44:14,040
Speaker 1: that almost felt glaring to me at some point, it's

1793
01:44:14,040 --> 01:44:16,519
Speaker 1: sort of like these are my friends, blah blah blah

1794
01:44:16,520 --> 01:44:19,040
Speaker 1: bla blah, and I'm like this pass eventual asked like what,

1795
01:44:19,040 --> 01:44:22,559
Speaker 1: because it was a popular discussion of like what lass

1796
01:44:22,680 --> 01:44:25,760
Speaker 1: versus what wasn't. And I do think that there were

1797
01:44:25,960 --> 01:44:29,120
Speaker 1: a few off hand exchanges in the Andy McDowell sequence

1798
01:44:29,160 --> 01:44:31,920
Speaker 1: that would have passed. I think that the Rome and

1799
01:44:32,000 --> 01:44:36,439
Speaker 1: Paris like again contextually. Ultimately, I guess Rome's goal is

1800
01:44:36,479 --> 01:44:39,479
Speaker 1: to get magical Michael into the room, but also she's

1801
01:44:39,479 --> 01:44:41,280
Speaker 1: trying to get herself into the room. I think there's

1802
01:44:41,280 --> 01:44:43,680
Speaker 1: a little bit of wiggle room there. It's not a

1803
01:44:43,720 --> 01:44:48,360
Speaker 1: hard pass. You never see Megan and uh I can't

1804
01:44:48,360 --> 01:44:51,439
Speaker 1: even remember her name in the movie, Zoe. You never

1805
01:44:51,439 --> 01:44:53,080
Speaker 1: see them in a room together. They were like supposed

1806
01:44:53,080 --> 01:44:58,439
Speaker 1: to be friends talk yeah. Yeah, Well, it's like because

1807
01:44:58,479 --> 01:45:00,639
Speaker 1: Zoe just seemed so out of play, is out of time,

1808
01:45:00,680 --> 01:45:02,960
Speaker 1: out of movie in this movie, where it's like we

1809
01:45:03,040 --> 01:45:04,760
Speaker 1: keep being told she and megat her friends, but it

1810
01:45:04,760 --> 01:45:07,439
Speaker 1: seems like she disagrees with Megan on everything. And like

1811
01:45:07,600 --> 01:45:10,280
Speaker 1: they never speak. So I do think like in a

1812
01:45:10,320 --> 01:45:13,800
Speaker 1: movie like this, while it is very valuable to have

1813
01:45:13,920 --> 01:45:18,080
Speaker 1: a movie that is focused on I think coded heterosexual

1814
01:45:18,120 --> 01:45:21,400
Speaker 1: men coming to terms with themselves and each other in

1815
01:45:21,439 --> 01:45:25,519
Speaker 1: an emotionally intelligent way, is a is a good mission.

1816
01:45:25,560 --> 01:45:27,479
Speaker 1: There's not a lot of movies that do that well.

1817
01:45:27,680 --> 01:45:30,280
Speaker 1: This movie does it pretty well. But it's like there

1818
01:45:30,439 --> 01:45:33,479
Speaker 1: was room for more women. It seems like, based on

1819
01:45:33,800 --> 01:45:37,000
Speaker 1: the trailer that I've watched five thousand times for the

1820
01:45:37,040 --> 01:45:41,920
Speaker 1: new magical Michael, that women are there. There are at

1821
01:45:42,000 --> 01:45:45,240
Speaker 1: least two. There's like a mother daughter dynamic. In the

1822
01:45:45,320 --> 01:45:49,360
Speaker 1: third movie, is Rossaiah is supposed to be Samahayaks daughter.

1823
01:45:49,560 --> 01:45:51,280
Speaker 1: I think that they say that in the trailer. I'm

1824
01:45:51,280 --> 01:45:54,240
Speaker 1: pretty sure I'll watch it after this, but I don't know.

1825
01:45:54,560 --> 01:45:56,880
Speaker 1: Maybe I maybe, but I'm pretty sure that, yeah, they're

1826
01:45:56,880 --> 01:45:59,120
Speaker 1: supposed to be playing mother daughter and like that's an

1827
01:45:59,120 --> 01:46:02,639
Speaker 1: impression I got. Also, Channing Tatum knows her daughter and

1828
01:46:02,680 --> 01:46:09,519
Speaker 1: then meets her mother, and it's like and that's like big,

1829
01:46:10,600 --> 01:46:12,639
Speaker 1: and I'm like, who is he dating? And then I'm like, well,

1830
01:46:12,680 --> 01:46:14,800
Speaker 1: maybe he's not dating anyone in this one, and maybe

1831
01:46:14,800 --> 01:46:17,360
Speaker 1: that maybe he's been liberated from the need to be

1832
01:46:17,400 --> 01:46:19,920
Speaker 1: in love with a boring character. But I like that

1833
01:46:19,960 --> 01:46:22,280
Speaker 1: they didn't end up like truly at the end together,

1834
01:46:22,360 --> 01:46:24,360
Speaker 1: Like it's like, yes, he danced on her, but I

1835
01:46:24,360 --> 01:46:26,439
Speaker 1: think obviously he's like, this is also my job, like

1836
01:46:26,479 --> 01:46:28,240
Speaker 1: and I want to have fun and I think this

1837
01:46:28,320 --> 01:46:30,920
Speaker 1: is funny. But I like that they didn't like kiss,

1838
01:46:30,920 --> 01:46:33,320
Speaker 1: like they didn't like it wasn't clear that they're like

1839
01:46:33,520 --> 01:46:35,680
Speaker 1: ending up together. It was more like, like he had

1840
01:46:35,840 --> 01:46:38,200
Speaker 1: mentioned throughout the whole movie, was like come have fun,

1841
01:46:38,439 --> 01:46:41,479
Speaker 1: like like you're young, like you're young ones your friends

1842
01:46:41,479 --> 01:46:43,080
Speaker 1: want to go, like just have fun with a bunch

1843
01:46:43,080 --> 01:46:45,040
Speaker 1: of strip your we're friends now. They mentioned like we're

1844
01:46:45,080 --> 01:46:48,640
Speaker 1: friends now. So I do like that. Even though obviously

1845
01:46:48,680 --> 01:46:51,360
Speaker 1: it's like gear that he she is like the romantic

1846
01:46:51,840 --> 01:46:54,880
Speaker 1: interest of his I like that it wasn't actually very

1847
01:46:54,960 --> 01:46:57,360
Speaker 1: romantic and that they didn't kiss. It just seems like

1848
01:46:57,400 --> 01:47:01,160
Speaker 1: their lives intersect for a few days and then that's

1849
01:47:01,200 --> 01:47:04,400
Speaker 1: kind of it. Yeah, It's like I love stories like that,

1850
01:47:04,960 --> 01:47:07,599
Speaker 1: and I agree with you Becca that it didn't seem

1851
01:47:07,640 --> 01:47:10,960
Speaker 1: like the movie was like you'll be seeing this character again,

1852
01:47:11,240 --> 01:47:15,720
Speaker 1: like yeah, and that's fine, Like whatever you know. I. Yeah,

1853
01:47:16,000 --> 01:47:20,360
Speaker 1: I magical Michael. You know he's still hurting. He's still

1854
01:47:20,439 --> 01:47:22,760
Speaker 1: hurting from Yeah, he'll from his engagement. You know, he

1855
01:47:22,760 --> 01:47:25,400
Speaker 1: wasn't ready to take that off. He said he lit

1856
01:47:25,400 --> 01:47:27,560
Speaker 1: a candle and everything. He was really tight. He was like,

1857
01:47:27,600 --> 01:47:31,960
Speaker 1: I lit a candle and everything. She said, nod bacon.

1858
01:47:32,040 --> 01:47:36,040
Speaker 1: I don't understand, bacon. I had epic random bacon. She

1859
01:47:36,080 --> 01:47:40,679
Speaker 1: still said, freaking no, I will never understand. If you're like, well, whatever, magic,

1860
01:47:40,800 --> 01:47:42,240
Speaker 1: you still got to grow up. Like there must have

1861
01:47:42,240 --> 01:47:46,160
Speaker 1: been some other problems. She also sucked, so it's like

1862
01:47:46,600 --> 01:47:50,200
Speaker 1: she did stop. She wanted him to quit stripping. Not cool,

1863
01:47:50,320 --> 01:47:52,479
Speaker 1: Yeah she was. She was a bit of a like

1864
01:47:52,520 --> 01:47:55,480
Speaker 1: a traditionalist in a way that I don't think suited

1865
01:47:55,840 --> 01:48:00,200
Speaker 1: the beauty that is magical Michael his lifestyle. But maybe

1866
01:48:00,240 --> 01:48:01,920
Speaker 1: he's going to fall in love with Samahiak. I think

1867
01:48:01,920 --> 01:48:07,880
Speaker 1: that to me is sexy. Yeah, they can do that

1868
01:48:07,920 --> 01:48:10,479
Speaker 1: for two hours and I will watch it. I'll be happy.

1869
01:48:10,479 --> 01:48:13,400
Speaker 1: The same same writer. So the third one, Steven Soderberg

1870
01:48:13,479 --> 01:48:16,040
Speaker 1: is back directing. I thought it was interesting. So and

1871
01:48:16,120 --> 01:48:18,760
Speaker 1: I like like Steven Soderberg. I think he's a really

1872
01:48:18,800 --> 01:48:23,080
Speaker 1: cool artist, where like he seems like kind of unpretentious

1873
01:48:23,080 --> 01:48:25,240
Speaker 1: in the way he does stuff where he directed the

1874
01:48:25,280 --> 01:48:29,240
Speaker 1: first movie and then for the second movie his cinematographer

1875
01:48:29,360 --> 01:48:32,640
Speaker 1: from the first movie and him switched places. So in

1876
01:48:32,680 --> 01:48:36,120
Speaker 1: this movie, the cinematographer is directing, Steven Soderberg is doing

1877
01:48:36,120 --> 01:48:38,800
Speaker 1: the cinematography and editing, and they just kind of like

1878
01:48:39,000 --> 01:48:41,200
Speaker 1: switched things up in a way that I thought was

1879
01:48:41,240 --> 01:48:45,920
Speaker 1: like visually cool. And then in the final one or finding,

1880
01:48:45,960 --> 01:48:49,280
Speaker 1: I guess we're to believe perhaps could be the final one,

1881
01:48:49,920 --> 01:48:51,960
Speaker 1: but like you know, would I'd be mad? No, But

1882
01:48:52,000 --> 01:48:54,719
Speaker 1: in the final with Steven Soderberg is directing again, which

1883
01:48:54,960 --> 01:48:58,320
Speaker 1: I do think fits with the tone of the trailer

1884
01:48:58,400 --> 01:49:00,519
Speaker 1: now that you've mentioned that, because the railer to me

1885
01:49:00,600 --> 01:49:03,959
Speaker 1: is giving like step up one, yes, but like sexy,

1886
01:49:04,360 --> 01:49:07,639
Speaker 1: like it's like it's giving the same type of draws,

1887
01:49:07,680 --> 01:49:09,400
Speaker 1: like it's going to be more drama this time than

1888
01:49:09,439 --> 01:49:13,160
Speaker 1: it is comedy. It does feel very like I haven't

1889
01:49:13,200 --> 01:49:15,439
Speaker 1: seen any of the Tom Holland Spider Man's will be honest,

1890
01:49:15,479 --> 01:49:18,240
Speaker 1: but I do like, you know, this character, you know

1891
01:49:18,320 --> 01:49:22,000
Speaker 1: and love is in London, question more, and that's like

1892
01:49:22,560 --> 01:49:24,800
Speaker 1: what is happening in the third Magic Like I can't

1893
01:49:24,840 --> 01:49:26,639
Speaker 1: wait to see it. I will see it opening weekends.

1894
01:49:26,760 --> 01:49:29,680
Speaker 1: I will laugh, cry, pee myself, like get very morny.

1895
01:49:29,840 --> 01:49:32,840
Speaker 1: That's why I'm there, That's why we're there, That's why

1896
01:49:32,880 --> 01:49:35,720
Speaker 1: we go to the movies. The movie. We come to

1897
01:49:35,800 --> 01:49:39,040
Speaker 1: this place, we come from magic. We come to this

1898
01:49:39,160 --> 01:49:42,400
Speaker 1: place to laugh, to cry, to care. Um. How about

1899
01:49:42,400 --> 01:49:45,080
Speaker 1: that nipple scale of ours where we rate the movie

1900
01:49:45,600 --> 01:49:48,040
Speaker 1: from zero to five nipples based on looking at the

1901
01:49:48,040 --> 01:49:51,120
Speaker 1: movie through an intersectional feminist lens. I'm going to give

1902
01:49:51,160 --> 01:49:54,960
Speaker 1: this movie. This might be wild, but I'm gonna give

1903
01:49:54,960 --> 01:49:58,840
Speaker 1: it three point five because the two kind of like

1904
01:49:59,200 --> 01:50:02,880
Speaker 1: main thrusts of the movie. That's my new favorite way

1905
01:50:02,920 --> 01:50:05,679
Speaker 1: to discree. I've been saying that ship we need to stop,

1906
01:50:05,720 --> 01:50:10,800
Speaker 1: we have to knock it out. It's triggering my fight

1907
01:50:10,880 --> 01:50:13,479
Speaker 1: or flight response when we say that out loud. Okay, fine.

1908
01:50:13,520 --> 01:50:17,400
Speaker 1: The two main themes of the movie are male friendship

1909
01:50:17,520 --> 01:50:21,320
Speaker 1: that is like healthy and productive or at least trying

1910
01:50:21,320 --> 01:50:23,240
Speaker 1: to be. And they're doing it in a very like

1911
01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:27,840
Speaker 1: the way hetero men are conditioned to behave when it

1912
01:50:27,840 --> 01:50:31,920
Speaker 1: comes to like emotional vulnerability. But they are like talking

1913
01:50:31,920 --> 01:50:36,120
Speaker 1: through their problems. They're expressing vulnerabilities. They are saying that

1914
01:50:36,160 --> 01:50:38,400
Speaker 1: they love each other, and yes they're doing it while

1915
01:50:38,439 --> 01:50:42,200
Speaker 1: they're rolling on Molly and I'm expressing their love does

1916
01:50:42,400 --> 01:50:46,559
Speaker 1: lead to a car crash um, But generally it seems

1917
01:50:46,600 --> 01:50:49,799
Speaker 1: like the movie is very much in favor of this

1918
01:50:50,080 --> 01:50:53,280
Speaker 1: male friendship and I really appreciate that. And I also

1919
01:50:53,280 --> 01:50:56,479
Speaker 1: appreciate the focus on and this is mostly through the

1920
01:50:56,520 --> 01:51:00,240
Speaker 1: Rome character, but her mission being like cult to vading

1921
01:51:00,280 --> 01:51:05,200
Speaker 1: a space where women can like experience joy and pleasure

1922
01:51:05,320 --> 01:51:08,720
Speaker 1: and to feel valued and to feel attractive and you know,

1923
01:51:08,800 --> 01:51:14,280
Speaker 1: all these things that are good. So I'm gonna give

1924
01:51:14,280 --> 01:51:17,240
Speaker 1: the movie three and a half nipples. I will give

1925
01:51:17,439 --> 01:51:23,839
Speaker 1: one to Jada, I will give one to Elizabeth Banks,

1926
01:51:23,880 --> 01:51:27,519
Speaker 1: the director of Cocaine Bear. I will give one to

1927
01:51:27,760 --> 01:51:32,560
Speaker 1: the scene where Magic My dances to Pony by Genuine

1928
01:51:32,720 --> 01:51:35,120
Speaker 1: and has sex with his work bench. And I'll give

1929
01:51:35,120 --> 01:51:39,479
Speaker 1: my half nipples. And I'll give my half nipple to

1930
01:51:40,040 --> 01:51:45,800
Speaker 1: Tito because he deserved more characterization. I'm gonna go three

1931
01:51:45,840 --> 01:51:47,920
Speaker 1: and a half as well. I think that the Zoe

1932
01:51:48,120 --> 01:51:50,200
Speaker 1: character was kind of the biggest miss for me in

1933
01:51:50,320 --> 01:51:53,640
Speaker 1: terms of a woman, where it felt like she was

1934
01:51:53,640 --> 01:51:56,520
Speaker 1: a character who has added as a girlfriend kind of halfheartedly.

1935
01:51:56,640 --> 01:51:58,879
Speaker 1: We didn't get to know very much about her. Um,

1936
01:51:58,920 --> 01:52:01,000
Speaker 1: I do appreciate like we were just saying Becca that,

1937
01:52:01,120 --> 01:52:03,760
Speaker 1: like it wasn't forced on us as like and now

1938
01:52:03,920 --> 01:52:06,040
Speaker 1: she's the great love of his life, because it just

1939
01:52:06,120 --> 01:52:09,120
Speaker 1: like I wouldn't have worked at all. But it just

1940
01:52:09,320 --> 01:52:11,880
Speaker 1: I you know, for someone who was pretty high build

1941
01:52:11,920 --> 01:52:14,280
Speaker 1: in the movie, she could be removed from the movie

1942
01:52:14,320 --> 01:52:18,040
Speaker 1: and nothing would change. She didn't really factor into Magical

1943
01:52:18,080 --> 01:52:22,400
Speaker 1: Michael's growth at all. However, Rome is a great character.

1944
01:52:22,640 --> 01:52:25,479
Speaker 1: I really liked her. I liked that they reset everything

1945
01:52:25,479 --> 01:52:27,360
Speaker 1: at the beginning of every Magic Mic movie. But I'm

1946
01:52:27,400 --> 01:52:29,240
Speaker 1: like kind of bummed that we won't get to see

1947
01:52:29,280 --> 01:52:32,080
Speaker 1: more of her because it feels like that character like

1948
01:52:32,400 --> 01:52:35,719
Speaker 1: she just like I would see h spinoff movie only

1949
01:52:35,760 --> 01:52:40,200
Speaker 1: about her same and her horny mansion and her horny mansion,

1950
01:52:40,320 --> 01:52:43,360
Speaker 1: like how do you the prequill Like her life was

1951
01:52:44,040 --> 01:52:50,400
Speaker 1: magical Michael before went to Dallas, because those two have chemistry.

1952
01:52:50,720 --> 01:52:52,760
Speaker 1: It was like wow, when he kissed her hand, I

1953
01:52:52,800 --> 01:52:55,200
Speaker 1: was like begging for her forgiveness. I was like, wow, Wow,

1954
01:52:55,680 --> 01:52:58,240
Speaker 1: this is great. Why isn't it me? I'm just gonna

1955
01:52:59,160 --> 01:53:02,160
Speaker 1: right like it was Yeah, like I thought she was

1956
01:53:02,160 --> 01:53:03,960
Speaker 1: a great character. I feel like she you know, I

1957
01:53:04,000 --> 01:53:06,080
Speaker 1: would love to see her again down the line, but

1958
01:53:06,640 --> 01:53:10,080
Speaker 1: in this movie she is wonderful. But I think for me,

1959
01:53:10,240 --> 01:53:12,759
Speaker 1: she and the animate Dowel characters were the best written,

1960
01:53:12,840 --> 01:53:16,200
Speaker 1: most narratively impactful women in the story, which is kind

1961
01:53:16,240 --> 01:53:18,679
Speaker 1: of cool because you know they are like women over

1962
01:53:18,720 --> 01:53:21,240
Speaker 1: forty and you don't usually see in kind of a

1963
01:53:21,280 --> 01:53:26,000
Speaker 1: sexy movie older women taking narrative precedence over younger women.

1964
01:53:26,400 --> 01:53:29,160
Speaker 1: I think there was room for everybody, though, But I

1965
01:53:29,200 --> 01:53:32,680
Speaker 1: love this movie. I love it's like focus on um,

1966
01:53:33,160 --> 01:53:36,000
Speaker 1: straight men getting their ship together. I love how it

1967
01:53:36,160 --> 01:53:39,080
Speaker 1: celebrates sex work and doesn't shame it in the way

1968
01:53:39,120 --> 01:53:41,519
Speaker 1: that I think the first movie, Tacit Lee did towards

1969
01:53:41,560 --> 01:53:44,400
Speaker 1: the end. I think this movie kind of course corrects

1970
01:53:44,439 --> 01:53:47,960
Speaker 1: that issue from the first movie. Um, there is more diversity.

1971
01:53:48,000 --> 01:53:49,639
Speaker 1: I know that some of it is sort of like

1972
01:53:50,240 --> 01:53:53,599
Speaker 1: or much of it is very surface level and flawed,

1973
01:53:53,640 --> 01:53:56,439
Speaker 1: and we it is still a white character centric movie

1974
01:53:56,520 --> 01:53:58,719
Speaker 1: in a way that I really hope the third movie

1975
01:53:59,000 --> 01:54:04,000
Speaker 1: course corrects on Justice for Adam. But it's a hell

1976
01:54:04,040 --> 01:54:05,679
Speaker 1: of a rob it's a hell of a horny movie.

1977
01:54:05,920 --> 01:54:09,120
Speaker 1: I really enjoy it and I also do like it

1978
01:54:09,200 --> 01:54:11,040
Speaker 1: is kind of nice to come at a franchise like

1979
01:54:11,080 --> 01:54:14,599
Speaker 1: this with general optimism, where I feel like with future

1980
01:54:14,640 --> 01:54:16,840
Speaker 1: movies and most franchises, I'm like, there's no way they're

1981
01:54:16,840 --> 01:54:18,479
Speaker 1: going to do any better and I just need to

1982
01:54:18,479 --> 01:54:22,040
Speaker 1: manage my expectations. But for a two movie franchise, I

1983
01:54:22,080 --> 01:54:25,120
Speaker 1: feel like they made significant strides between one and two.

1984
01:54:25,640 --> 01:54:27,800
Speaker 1: I am excited to see three. I hope it is

1985
01:54:27,840 --> 01:54:31,479
Speaker 1: really awesome and at least I hope I get fucking

1986
01:54:31,520 --> 01:54:34,600
Speaker 1: horny and a room full of my peers. That's what

1987
01:54:34,720 --> 01:54:38,160
Speaker 1: I want. Um, so I will give it three and

1988
01:54:38,200 --> 01:54:40,680
Speaker 1: a half. I'm going to give all of my nipples

1989
01:54:40,720 --> 01:54:46,160
Speaker 1: to Twitch because I love Twitch and I was very sad,

1990
01:54:46,280 --> 01:54:49,320
Speaker 1: I honestly like I learned when Twitch passed because it

1991
01:54:49,400 --> 01:54:52,840
Speaker 1: was like last month, and I was really sad, and

1992
01:54:52,880 --> 01:54:54,600
Speaker 1: then I didn't I wasn't expecting to see him in

1993
01:54:54,640 --> 01:54:58,760
Speaker 1: this movie, and then I was crying. Uh just um,

1994
01:54:58,800 --> 01:55:02,080
Speaker 1: you know, if you haven't seen Twitch dancing, and I

1995
01:55:02,120 --> 01:55:04,680
Speaker 1: mean at any point, but like in his so you

1996
01:55:04,680 --> 01:55:09,520
Speaker 1: think you can dance. Prime just a beautiful, wonderful spirit

1997
01:55:09,600 --> 01:55:12,120
Speaker 1: in person, and I'm very sad he's gone. So all

1998
01:55:12,160 --> 01:55:15,960
Speaker 1: my nipples are going to twitch. Nice Becca, how about you?

1999
01:55:16,160 --> 01:55:18,520
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, my time to give away nipples. Okay,

2000
01:55:18,560 --> 01:55:20,840
Speaker 1: I'm also gonna go with three and a half. I

2001
01:55:20,880 --> 01:55:23,360
Speaker 1: was leaning more for three, but then after our discussion,

2002
01:55:23,600 --> 01:55:27,360
Speaker 1: I landed on three and a half. But I will

2003
01:55:27,400 --> 01:55:30,040
Speaker 1: say I really love the arc of this movie from

2004
01:55:30,040 --> 01:55:32,440
Speaker 1: the first to the second. After watching them back to back,

2005
01:55:32,480 --> 01:55:35,240
Speaker 1: I think there was so much more joy in this

2006
01:55:35,280 --> 01:55:38,880
Speaker 1: movie and it was just such a fun, lighthearted watch.

2007
01:55:38,960 --> 01:55:42,000
Speaker 1: Obviously we dug into it. There's a lot to be said,

2008
01:55:42,200 --> 01:55:45,400
Speaker 1: but I think generally for the context of the movie

2009
01:55:45,400 --> 01:55:47,520
Speaker 1: and the content and for the timing it came out,

2010
01:55:48,040 --> 01:55:50,480
Speaker 1: I think it is such a joy that, you know,

2011
01:55:50,560 --> 01:55:54,040
Speaker 1: for the most part, withheld with time, which is you know,

2012
01:55:54,200 --> 01:55:58,040
Speaker 1: rare for I think movies within even the past five years. Um.

2013
01:55:58,080 --> 01:56:00,960
Speaker 1: I will say I do wish was horn Ear in

2014
01:56:01,000 --> 01:56:03,200
Speaker 1: the sense that I did not see enough nakedness for

2015
01:56:03,320 --> 01:56:05,440
Speaker 1: being a rated art movie. It really felt like a

2016
01:56:05,480 --> 01:56:07,680
Speaker 1: PG thirteen movie. I was shocked when I googled that

2017
01:56:07,720 --> 01:56:11,360
Speaker 1: it was rated are still and I felt like the

2018
01:56:11,400 --> 01:56:13,480
Speaker 1: most sex we got was in the last ten minutes

2019
01:56:13,520 --> 01:56:17,720
Speaker 1: and that just wasn't enough for me. But otherwise, yeah,

2020
01:56:17,760 --> 01:56:20,440
Speaker 1: I agree with both, with everything you said. I don't

2021
01:56:20,560 --> 01:56:23,440
Speaker 1: have much besides those two notes to add onto that

2022
01:56:23,720 --> 01:56:27,640
Speaker 1: um and yeah, I'm gonna get my nipples to one

2023
01:56:27,760 --> 01:56:33,360
Speaker 1: to Childe Cambino for my heart could not stand love,

2024
01:56:34,160 --> 01:56:36,520
Speaker 1: one A Chang Tatum because I've been horny for him,

2025
01:56:36,600 --> 01:56:39,960
Speaker 1: some step up, and then one Adam Rodriguez because I

2026
01:56:40,000 --> 01:56:43,120
Speaker 1: love that man Delco forever. And then I have to

2027
01:56:43,280 --> 01:56:47,520
Speaker 1: pulled a twitch ress in peace. Oh my goodness, Well, Becca,

2028
01:56:47,720 --> 01:56:52,120
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us, truly long time coming.

2029
01:56:52,160 --> 01:56:55,160
Speaker 1: I'm so glad we did it. Me too. This was

2030
01:56:55,200 --> 01:56:57,760
Speaker 1: so much fun. It's like truly a dream come true.

2031
01:56:57,800 --> 01:56:59,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, I listen every week and now I'm on it.

2032
01:57:00,000 --> 01:57:02,360
Speaker 1: I gotta feel honored, So thank you for having me.

2033
01:57:02,560 --> 01:57:07,160
Speaker 1: Becca is literally wearing a Bectel Cast shirt right now.

2034
01:57:08,040 --> 01:57:13,800
Speaker 1: It looks so come back, say less. I will be here. Yes, okay, amazing.

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Speaker 1: And speaking of those shirts, you can get them at

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Speaker 1: t public dot com. Slash the Bechtel Cast. All of

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Speaker 1: recent designs such as shrek Ian and feminist icon Paddington

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Speaker 1: and the Flower Mambo by Danny Elfman Hard to say

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01:57:30,520 --> 01:57:32,280
Speaker 1: how that design is doing. That may have been just

2041
01:57:32,320 --> 01:57:35,480
Speaker 1: for me, but I am enjoying it. I bet a

2042
01:57:35,520 --> 01:57:37,800
Speaker 1: few people bought it. If you have, please let us

2043
01:57:37,840 --> 01:57:39,440
Speaker 1: know because I've been seeing a lot of the other

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Speaker 1: two designs and really kind of radio silence on the

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Speaker 1: Flower Mambo by Da mcdanny Elfmand. Just let's work on that, folks.

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Speaker 1: goodness and Crusty over here. Yeah and um, with that,

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01:58:30,960 --> 01:58:33,680
Speaker 1: shall we all get on the froyo truck and head

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01:58:33,720 --> 01:58:39,080
Speaker 1: to Myrtle Beach Absolutely as long as it has a bathroom,

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Speaker 1: it does. Okay, Bye bye