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Speaker 1: We're also be talking about every Spider Man movie that

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Speaker 1: Welcome to ask our vision of the Crooked Podcast, where

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Speaker 1: we dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics, pop culture,

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Speaker 1: Rosie Night, Rosie, how are you?

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Speaker 1: I've just mainlined a dangerous amount of Spider Man movie content,

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Speaker 4: The same way that Greer was on the phone in

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be the version of Melvin Potter from both

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Speaker 2: I think that this is going to be who the

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Speaker 1: So they make suits for Maya, they'll make suits for

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's a great, great call. And also

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Speaker 2: It's bad for business. You need to stop this.

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Speaker 2: That's why we love her. She charms her women in the.

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Speaker 1: It's it's great and wonderful character work where it's just

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Speaker 1: the Spider Verse, onto Spider Island, also the various Spider

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Speaker 1: properties of the last twenty years. Of course, Spider Man

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Speaker 1: noway home, coming out December seventeenth promises to be a

440
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Speaker 1: multiversal fun featuring characters from the various Spider Man movies,

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Speaker 1: and we thought, what better opportunity could we have to

442
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Speaker 1: talk about those Spider Man movies and how they might

443
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Speaker 1: intersect with the MCU in a week and a half

444
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Speaker 1: or whatever it is like in one in less than

445
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Speaker 1: a week.

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Speaker 2: Basically wow, So let's talk about it. First.

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Speaker 1: Up, it's McGuire time, spider Man, McGuire, McGuire man, McGuire

448
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Speaker 1: man does whatever Toby can. It's the Spider Man Original

449
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Speaker 1: Trilogy directed by Sam Raimi, Tobyguire, Spider Man, Kristen Duns's, Mary,

450
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Speaker 1: Jane Watson, James franco Is, Harry Osbourne, JK.

451
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Speaker 2: Simons Is, j Jonah Jamison, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: We got old Uncle Ben with Gliff Robertson villains very important.

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Speaker 1: William Dafoe Green Goblin gonna be in no way home.

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Speaker 1: We know that Alfred Molina doc Oc gonna be in

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Speaker 1: no way home. We know that Thomas Hayne Church as

456
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Speaker 1: a Sandman gonna be in no way home. We know

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Speaker 1: that and Tofa Grace Eddie Brock probably not gonna be

458
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Speaker 1: in no way home. He might have made.

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Speaker 4: Tell him that might be a secondary, a one second

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Speaker 4: Tofa cameo.

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Speaker 3: You never know, but yeah, he's not confirmed.

462
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Speaker 4: We don't have a Tofa Grace featurette like we do

463
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Speaker 4: about the other villains that we know are coming.

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Speaker 2: So let's go.

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Speaker 1: We'll go and order here. Spider Man two thousand and two.

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Speaker 1: It was a great comic book movie of its era.

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Speaker 1: Obviously a huge hit. Saw out of the theater loved it.

468
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Speaker 1: At the time of Peter Parker, we get the We

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Speaker 1: get the origin story. Peter Parker bitten by a genetically

470
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Speaker 1: engineered super spider at a you know, college tour of

471
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Speaker 1: Columbia's top biological genetic engineering lab. He develops powers, his

472
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Speaker 1: uncle Ben is murdered, He falls in love with girl

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Speaker 1: next door Mary Jane Watson.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: And then while this is happening in Osbourne, facing you

476
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Speaker 1: a civil war on the oscoorp board and various challenges

477
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Speaker 1: to his authority, decides, you know what, I'm going to

478
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Speaker 1: test experimental chemicals.

479
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Speaker 3: On myself, always a good idea, always.

480
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Speaker 1: A great idea, and steal the super military suit and

481
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Speaker 1: glideboard that we were developing for the military, and I'm

482
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Speaker 1: going to become the super villain, the Green Goblin. Peter

483
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Speaker 1: and the Green Goblin fight it out and the Green

484
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Speaker 1: Goblin is killed. So here's a question that's going to

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Speaker 1: come up again and again as we look at these movies.

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Speaker 1: Where do you think one Well, let me start here.

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Speaker 1: First of all, is the Green Goblin that we're going

488
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Speaker 1: to see in No Way Home the actual Green Goblin

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Speaker 1: from Spider Man the movie or is it like a variant?

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Speaker 1: And where in the movie do we take the Green

491
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Speaker 1: Goblin from because obviously it's going to be after he

492
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Speaker 1: injects himself with the chemicals and steals the suit, but

493
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Speaker 1: before he is killed at the end of the movie.

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Speaker 4: I think it's the biggest question because something that just

495
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Speaker 4: it's important to mention. Even the miskiving head a little

496
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Speaker 4: bit Electro has a stark tech right in the trailers,

497
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Speaker 4: so we know are these the same versions? Is that

498
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Speaker 4: when he who remains died, did some kind of thing

499
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Speaker 4: happen like exactly I'm not sure, but I'm really happy

500
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Speaker 4: that at least for part of the movie he's going

501
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Speaker 4: to have that power and just looking suit because I

502
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Speaker 4: fucking love that suit. I love that Green Goblin suit

503
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Speaker 4: with the big butt and the crazy mask. So I

504
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Speaker 4: think if he's getting picked out, I think they're probably

505
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Speaker 4: going to be around the time when he does the

506
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Speaker 4: big attack and he flies in, and I think you

507
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Speaker 4: sort of just go bop. Like I was watching the

508
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Speaker 4: ninety Spider Man cartoon and in season five they do

509
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Speaker 4: a secret war story and it basically has the Beyonder

510
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Speaker 4: or a version of the beyonda kicking all these villains

511
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Speaker 4: out of like different universes. And I was watching it

512
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Speaker 4: and I was like, oh my god, this is basically

513
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Speaker 4: what's happening. Like I think you just pop them out

514
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Speaker 4: at their most powerful moments. So it's when Osborne comes

515
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Speaker 4: in he destroys the parade, and you're just like, Okay,

516
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Speaker 4: that's bop.

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Speaker 1: He's going through Rosie. You just hinted at something that

518
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Speaker 1: is my tinfoil theory. So what do we expect after

519
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Speaker 1: seeing the letterby Carnage that all these villains are just

520
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Speaker 1: like randomly transferred to this.

521
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Speaker 2: Is there someone behind it?

522
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Speaker 1: Is there someone that's selecting these villains, slash characters and

523
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Speaker 1: various characters to collide with the universe that we know,

524
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Speaker 1: and is that person the Beyonder Are we going to

525
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Speaker 1: see is it going to be like Secret Wars that

526
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Speaker 1: we're building through some version of Secret Wars, and there's

527
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Speaker 1: actually a consciousness behind why these particular characters are going

528
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Speaker 1: to this particular place.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and also look, I know, I know, I'm not

530
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Speaker 4: trying to bring it back to a tunnels all right,

531
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Speaker 4: I know everyone would, most people would brother forget. I'm

532
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Speaker 4: just saying, I'm just saying we tunnels did just come out,

533
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Speaker 4: And whatever else you feel about the end of it

534
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 4: is a giant cosmic celestial saying the Earth is about

535
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Speaker 4: to be judged and needs to prove that it's good

536
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Speaker 4: enough to survive. And then suddenly all these heroes are

537
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Speaker 4: turning up from different multi vassal spaces. I think that

538
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Speaker 4: could really align with your idea of like there being

539
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Speaker 4: someone behind this and there's a greater reason why all

540
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Speaker 4: these villains.

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Speaker 3: Also, we know what that MCU is like.

542
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Speaker 4: There is no way that the trailers that we have

543
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Speaker 4: seen an the whole movie that is part of the

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Speaker 4: movie that we are seeing.

545
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Speaker 3: So what is that big reveal? What is that big reveal?

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Speaker 1: Not only that, but like you know, there's gonna be

547
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Speaker 1: a lot of red herrings and scenes that don't actually

548
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Speaker 1: exist in the actual movie, Like, so there's gonna be

549
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Speaker 1: a lot of stuff to throw us off.

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Speaker 4: Speaking of Green Goblin, I truly am my tinfoil hat.

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Speaker 4: Theory is that that new suit. Even though there's now

552
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Speaker 4: a few official pictures where it looks like it's William

553
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Speaker 4: Dafoe's face like stuck on that new suit.

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Speaker 3: I don't actually think that's him. I think there's gonna

555
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Speaker 3: be another Go.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we'll get to that. I haven't hearing about that.

557
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Speaker 6: Let's get to Spider in two Spider Man two.

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Speaker 1: Spider Man two, Peter Parker is having a bad few

559
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Speaker 1: months last year. He's been fired, he's failing school, he

560
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Speaker 1: has no money. As a crappy apart, he sucks. Meanwhile,

561
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Speaker 1: ataw Octavia is developing a fusion reactor, which the test

562
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Speaker 1: goes wrong.

563
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Speaker 2: Listen, all these tests go wrong.

564
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Speaker 1: Every every They never work, they never learn, they're always

565
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Speaker 1: playing god, they're always stealing the fire of the gods.

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Speaker 2: And look what is happening.

567
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Speaker 1: Otto is fused with his Ai robotic tentacles, which then

568
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Speaker 1: become kind of conscious and he becomes doc ock.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Peter meanwhile, loses faith in himself and his powers, and

571
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Speaker 1: he's like I don't want to be fucking spider anymore.

572
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: But guess what happens Shocker MJ has been kidnapped? What again?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I can you believe it?

574
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Speaker 1: Rosie MJ has been kidnapped by a super villain, doctor Octopus,

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Speaker 1: which leads to really an iconic fight a top of

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Speaker 1: the subway, which is comic book movies kind of like

577
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: oblique nod towards nine to eleven. Uh, Harry learns Peter's

578
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Speaker 1: identity and discovers his dad's secret goblet Lair, and then

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Speaker 1: at the end doc Ock sacrifices himself to say the

580
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: city comes back to the side of the light. MJ

581
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Speaker 1: learns Peter's secret and leaves her fiance of the Altar

582
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Speaker 1: to get that Peter Parker loving.

583
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you get that incredible end sequence where she's

584
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Speaker 4: in the dress, the bride's dress, and Peter Lake swings

585
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Speaker 4: away and you're like, MJ, this should really tell you

586
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Speaker 4: about the rest of your life. Yeah, this is swinging

587
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Speaker 4: away from you in the wedding dress. This is just

588
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Speaker 4: gonna keep happening to you. This is gonna cleep.

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Speaker 1: Map question after Spider Man two, where do we think

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Speaker 1: doc oc one is this doc Oc from Spider Man

591
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Speaker 1: two and two. Where in the movie do we think

592
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Speaker 1: doc Oc is plucked from?

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Speaker 4: I think this out of all of them, I mean one,

594
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Speaker 4: how happy are you Alfred Millina's back?

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Speaker 3: This is like an all time time iconic superhero villain.

596
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Speaker 4: Like I think this one seems the most we've seen

597
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Speaker 4: the most of him character wise and the kind of

598
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 4: logical behavior, the way he's very honest when he's with

599
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Speaker 4: Stephen in the in the space and Stephen has him trapped,

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Speaker 4: but he's not annoyed, He's just in He scientifically wants

601
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Speaker 4: to understand that. To me, I think he is from that.

602
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 4: I think he's Spider Man too, Octavius, and I think

603
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Speaker 4: he could really come from anywhere in that movie, because

604
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Speaker 4: he doesn't really meet those same fates. It's it's more

605
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Speaker 4: of like a tragic arc for his character than than

606
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Speaker 4: a definitive kind of end. I think again it's probably

607
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Speaker 4: quite early on from Spider Man too, because he is

608
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Speaker 4: looking for Peter.

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Speaker 3: This is not doc who's been beaten by Pea.

610
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Speaker 4: This is doc Oc who is looking for Peza, wants

611
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Speaker 4: to find him, and suddenly the Peter he finds is

612
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Speaker 4: not the one that he knows question.

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Speaker 1: Do we get a kind of anti hero doc Och,

614
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Speaker 1: superior Spider Man kind of doc Oc who actually, deep

615
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Speaker 1: in his heart is kind of like inspired by and

616
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Speaker 1: looks up to Peter in a weird way because of

617
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Speaker 1: his pure heroism. Do we get that version of doc

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Speaker 1: Oc who comes to really respect and you know, appreciate

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Speaker 1: Peter Parker as a hero.

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Speaker 4: I think that you're gonna I think he's gonna be

621
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Speaker 4: an antihero, and I think it won't start from that place.

622
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Speaker 4: I think it will start from a place of scientific intrigue.

623
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Speaker 4: He wants to know about the multiverse, and these guys

624
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Speaker 4: actually want to solve that. They don't want to they

625
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 4: don't want to fight the villains. And then I think

626
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Speaker 4: what will happen is we seem like there's some kind

627
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Speaker 4: of conflict with Peter and Steven strange because Stephen wants

628
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Speaker 4: to send people back to their fates and Peter wants

629
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Speaker 4: to save them. And I think Otto will be very

630
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Speaker 4: moved by that, and he will that will you'll see

631
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Speaker 4: some kind of team up potential, kind of like alliance

632
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Speaker 4: will be built there that will become quite strong, I think.

633
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Speaker 3: And also, look, Alfred Milina, that's a good looking guy.

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Speaker 3: We know that in the comics.

635
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Speaker 4: Yeah, one of the most otp like funny comic book

636
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Speaker 4: pairings is him and aren't may you never know what's

637
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Speaker 4: gonna happen?

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Speaker 3: I could, I could see it. I could.

639
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Speaker 4: I could see that happening in this universe, even just

640
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Speaker 4: like a funny moment. So I think with this is

641
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Speaker 4: not going to be a pure villain a stock Ok.

642
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 4: There's gonna be stuff to explore there.

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Speaker 1: So just to just to catch people up maybe for

644
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Speaker 1: our non comic book readers about Superior spider Man. Superior

645
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: spider Man was a comic arc and rebrand for the

646
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Speaker 1: Spider Man title, in which Peter Parker, as he is dying,

647
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Speaker 1: switches bodies basically without Octavius. Doc O's mind goes into

648
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Speaker 1: Peter Parker's body, and he becomes the Superior Spider Man, right,

649
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Speaker 1: the more tactical, smarter, slightly harder edged Spider Man. But

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Speaker 1: through this process of living in Peter's body, he comes

651
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Speaker 1: to appreciate on a deeper level the person that Peter

652
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Speaker 1: Parker is. And I'm with you, I think we get

653
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Speaker 1: something of that anti seroness with doc Ock in this movie.

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Speaker 1: On the Spider Red three, The Iconic, The icon The Ultimate,

655
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Speaker 1: The Ultimate Boogie Down Peter Parker Spider Man three also

656
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Speaker 1: maybe a.

657
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 4: Slight warning for No Way Home, because wasn't the biggest

658
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 4: problem with this movie that there's too many villa.

659
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Speaker 1: Yes, that is why I think that these are not

660
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Speaker 1: going to be vari and so I think they are

661
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: going to be the movie version because at that point

662
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: it becomes too much. Yeah, anyway, Spaieran three, Peter is,

663
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: he's not sad anymore. He's actually happy. He's got everything

664
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Speaker 1: he wants, He's got the girl, the city loves him,

665
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: et cetera. Meanwhile, Harry Osborne Follen right in Dad's footsteps,

666
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: is going to become the new Goblin. He fights, Peter

667
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: is injured, gets partial amnesia. Meanwhile, Flint Marco, an escape

668
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: convict with sick daughter, is revealed to be Ben Parker's

669
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Speaker 1: killer and later becomes as the Sandman after yet another

670
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: freak accident.

671
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Speaker 3: I mean that one was really his own fault.

672
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 4: He just walks straight into like a weird testing when

673
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 4: he's running away from the place, And yeah, it is.

674
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 4: It's a very strange choice to make him Ben's killer

675
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 4: as well, because all of Spider Man's entire backstory in

676
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 4: these movies is.

677
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Speaker 3: Based on the fact he didn't stop.

678
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 4: The guy and astasin he could never have stopped the

679
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 4: guy said sure, it's flint Marker.

680
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: His door is sick uh Lions and tigers and villains,

681
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: Oh MYI and extra terrestrial Symbiote lands in Central Park

682
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: because it's attaches itself to Peter and becomes you know,

683
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 1: reads his mind, bonds with his conscious, and becomes a

684
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: much more powerful black suit for Peter. Peter is gradually

685
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: seduced and corrupted by this suit.

686
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 2: He becomes an asshole.

687
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: He dances in the street, He tries to kill Harry

688
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 1: with a pumpkin bomb.

689
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 3: He ruined the career of.

690
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Speaker 1: Photographer Eddie Brock. YadA, YadA, YadA. After Peter accidentally accidentally

691
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 1: hits MJ, he separates from the Symbiot, which then bombs

692
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Speaker 1: with Eddie Brock, and we have Venom. Venom and Sandman

693
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: team up to guess what shocking Ki kidnap again, and

694
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 1: so Peter and Harry joined forces to stop them. Brock

695
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: chooses to die with the symbia rather than live without it.

696
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 2: He needs it so much.

697
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 1: Marco meanwhile apologized to Peter for killing Uncle Ben, so

698
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 1: Peter forgives him and it's like, go on your way.

699
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: Harry is killed saving Peter, and the trilogy ends on

700
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: a cautiously optimistic note with Peter and mj dancing and

701
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: there you have it once again.

702
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 3: There's lots of dancing in this movie.

703
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 4: That's like the third at least the third of fourth

704
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 4: dance sequence. Because one of my favorite moments from this

705
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,760
Speaker 4: movie is there's the love triangle between Harry and Peter

706
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 4: and Mary Jane.

707
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Speaker 3: Is is still going on here?

708
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Speaker 4: And one of my favorite parts is that Mary Jane

709
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 4: Harry Osborne omelet making scene where they're like dancing and

710
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 4: they're making an omelet. And then later on, like Harry's

711
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 4: like telling him and MG together and Peter leaves the

712
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,399
Speaker 4: coffee shop and Harry looks at him and he gives

713
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 4: him like a big wink. He's like, so, I'm just like,

714
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 4: so much is going on in this movie, and a

715
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 4: lot of it revolves around dancing.

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00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 2: A lot of dancing.

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Speaker 1: So how do we get these characters this movie into

718
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: No Way Home? When do we think it happens? Do

719
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: we see Harry Osborne at all? Is there like gonna

720
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: be a Hobgoblins, some Hobgoblin action, and how much of

721
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 1: this is gonna make it in and do we see Brock?

722
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 4: I think that with the Tom Hardy Venom edition, which

723
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 4: I think is more likely to actually just be like

724
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 4: another post credit scene or something.

725
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 3: I don't know if Kevin Figy.

726
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 4: I just saw Vetam again at the third time I've

727
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 4: seen it in the cinema, Venom, let that be carnage

728
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 4: because I have many friends with a love for Vetom,

729
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 4: and I don't believe that Kevin Figy's gonna truly let

730
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 4: Tom Hardy be in the MCU in that character. So

731
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 4: I but I do think that now that Venom and

732
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 4: the Cymbia is a thing and it's in the MCU,

733
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 4: I think there's a chance that we could see Tofa.

734
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:46,760
Speaker 4: I think there's a chance we could see any Brock,

735
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 4: even just momentarily. Okay, so let's talk about hole Goblin,

736
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 4: because I do I do think Hobgoblin is gonna be

737
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 4: in this I.

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Speaker 2: Think I think Hobgoblin is gonna be in this movie too.

739
00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: Why because if the duck Uck antihero thing is true,

740
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:04,399
Speaker 1: we're actually down a six, so we need another right, So.

741
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Speaker 3: Do I think it's gonna be James Fango. No, right,

742
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 3: you can google why. That's probably not gonna happen. Deanta Hunt.

743
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 3: It could be. People don't love that version. But I'm

744
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 3: gonna tell you my vite.

745
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 4: This is my tunefoil hat, Okay, And I don't care

746
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 4: if Disney released some CGI picture of Willem Dafoe's face

747
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 4: on the Hobgoblin.

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00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 3: I don't believe it. Of course you're going to do that.

749
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 3: That's fine. It's Willem Defoe. He's got a costume. We've

750
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 3: seen him in it. It's not him.

751
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 4: But in the comics, the Spidron comics, the Hobgoblin is

752
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 4: actually a character called Ned Lee, who is already in

753
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 4: the Homecoming movies.

754
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 3: Always has been.

755
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 5: Hi us right.

756
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 3: I actually interviewed.

757
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 4: Him, Jacob who plays Ned during the Far from Home stuff,

758
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 4: and you know, he said he would love.

759
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 3: To play a villain. He didn't see it for Ned,

760
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 3: but he would love to see a version where it

761
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 3: could happen.

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00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 4: I think that there's the whole version of this movie

763
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,399
Speaker 4: where Hobgoblin is in it, played by Ned. I don't

764
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Speaker 4: believe that Ned from our universe would ever turn against Sam.

765
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Speaker 4: I think that if we're doing multiverse stuff, there could

766
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 4: be a version where Evil Ned.

767
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 3: Evil Ned Ned didn't know Peter Ned.

768
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 4: In that universe was somehow harmed by Spider Man and

769
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 4: at some point, and then you would get that thing

770
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Speaker 4: the one thing that this movie doesn't have that specifically

771
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 4: the Toby Maguire stuff really does, which is the Peter's

772
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 4: best friend and the struggle of that they have, right

773
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 4: the Harry Osborne thing. You know, they love each other,

774
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 4: but there's a battle. Ned and Peter just have a pure,

775
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 4: loving friendship and I love it. Also, this would erase

776
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 4: if they did it evil Ned or Ned died, it

777
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:37,919
Speaker 4: would eraise one of the biggest issues for them su

778
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 4: which is most of Tom Holland's characterization from Spider Man,

779
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 4: including his best friend Ned, is just taken from Mars Morales.

780
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 4: So if you kill Ned or you have Evil Ned,

781
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 4: then you can have a different version of gangk if

782
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 4: Miles ever comes. But I think I am a big

783
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 4: Ned as Hobgoblin stylelink.

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00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 3: That's such a core theory.

785
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 2: I love the theory as well. I agree with you.

786
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 1: There's no way that it's our.

787
00:38:59,200 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 2: Ned, you know.

788
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: Well, I'll refer to it as six one six, even

789
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,399
Speaker 1: though that's never been six one six. Ned is too

790
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: much of Peter's and too much of a nice guy.

791
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: He rather died, but there could be an evil one.

792
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 4: How do you think they're going to bring in Sam Man?

793
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 4: Because I think that's the outlier, Like, I understand why

794
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 4: he's in it, but it's not I feel like a

795
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 4: character that, like so many people were hoping to come back.

796
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 4: So I want to know, is he going to want

797
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 4: to ally himself with Peter because Peter let him go free?

798
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 4: Or is this prior and what is his personal response?

799
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 4: Where do you think they're gonna grab him?

800
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's going to be prior to him

801
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 1: letting him go because or else why would he be

802
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 1: so willing to team up with other villains, which is, like, again,

803
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: quite a leap, Like I think the fact that these

804
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: villains are teaming up to take down Spider Man, you

805
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: know obviously lest you believe that they have some kind

806
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: of real significant beef for him. But I agree with you,

807
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,879
Speaker 1: that's the one where it's not so obvious how they

808
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 1: bring him in. When we come back more Spider Man.

809
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: Welcome back for more Spider Man talk. Let's move on

810
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: to Andrew Garfield's Mark Webb's Amazing Spider Man's one and two,

811
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: Andrew golferd is Peter Parker, Emma Stone as Gwen Stacy,

812
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: Sally Field is aunt May Martin. She and his uncle Ben.

813
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: Maybe the best Uncle Ben. This is a great Uncle Ben,

814
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 1: Dennis Leary.

815
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,439
Speaker 4: Yet they did a serious They were like, we're gonna

816
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 4: give Uncle Ben like a characterization. Yes, he's not just

817
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 4: gonna die, He's gonna he's gonna have he's gonna have

818
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 4: a life.

819
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Speaker 1: And the villains, of course, the villains Resiphens as doctor

820
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: Kirk Connor's The Lizard Loved It, Jamie Fox as Max Dillon, Electro,

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Speaker 1: Paul Giamatti.

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Speaker 3: I'll never forget it. I'll never forget that ending. I'll

823
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Speaker 3: never forget it. You forget.

824
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: Paul Giamatti is in approximately forty five seconds of The

825
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: Amazing Spider Man two at the beginning of the end

826
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Speaker 1: as the Rhino. And then of course Dean de Han

827
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Speaker 1: as the most basic Harry Osborne slash Green Goblin of

828
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Speaker 1: all time.

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Speaker 3: He just is Green Goblin. That's just it.

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00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,399
Speaker 1: Let's start with Amazing Spider Man, a much cooler, much

831
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 1: younger and incongruously old Peter Parker learns that his disappeared

832
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: parents that's right, so this.

833
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 4: Is the weird like day, like secretly like cool spy scientists.

834
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: Learns that his disappeared parents were working on some kind

835
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: of secret shit for OSCRP, And when he goes to

836
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 1: a kind of sneak in and figure out like what

837
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: happened with my parents, he is bitten by a genetically

838
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: modified Oscorp spider and begins to vote.

839
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 2: Dun, dun doun.

840
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 1: Peter visits doctor Kirk Connors, one of his father's old colleagues,

841
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: who is working on some kind of project to heal

842
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:46,720
Speaker 1: you know, injuries using animal DNA, specifically lizard DNA. Uncle

843
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: Ben does, but this time the lesson is that Peter's

844
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: father believed that you could do good things for people,

845
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: you had a moral obligation to do those things. That's

846
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: what's at stake here, not choice responsibility. Peter goes to

847
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: track down Ben's killer. He becomes spy. He sources spandex

848
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 1: on the Internet and buy stuff to make a costume,

849
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: but he builds his webshooters.

850
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 2: We get a big fight with.

851
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: Doctor Connor's After doctor Connors injects himself with the lizard

852
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: regenerating serumony becomes the Lizard. Peter reveals his identity to

853
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 1: his crush, Gwen Stacy. Meanwhile, Gwen Stacy's dad is leading

854
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 1: the hunt for Spider Man. The Lizard has a crazy

855
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: plan to disperse the serum his lizard serum, from across

856
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: the city from the top. Yeah, but it doesn't really,

857
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 1: It's kind of like, really, that's the plan, Okay. Captain

858
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: Stacy dies and tells Peter to avoid Gwen, which he

859
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: does it first, but then he can't stop of course,

860
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 1: and then we get the mid credit scene. Doctor Connor

861
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 1: is speaking with Gustaf Fears, the gentleman who is the

862
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: villain from the novelization of Spider Man absolutely decades ago,

863
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: who in the novelization plays a key role in assembling

864
00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: the Sinister six weird choice, and Connors tells the gentleman,

865
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: hey leave Peter Parker alone. Okay, so how do we

866
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: get the lizard into this movie? And are we going

867
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,720
Speaker 1: to see anyone? And you know, obviously we get Andrew

868
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: Garfield from this movie, but I wonder do we get

869
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 1: Andrew Garfield Spider Man from Amazing Spider Man or do

870
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 1: we get him from The Amazing Spider Man two?

871
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 2: Where do we get him in this?

872
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, the whole thing is weird.

873
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 4: So first of all, remember that very prime moment that

874
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 4: Stephen Strange says, you know, they all died in their

875
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 4: universe by the hand of their user versus Spider Man.

876
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 4: We know that's not the case here, or at least

877
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 4: not what we saw, so that's really interesting. I still

878
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 4: think that Peter could have killed him at a later date,

879
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 4: so I still think it's probably the same guy.

880
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 3: I think you're right about variants.

881
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 4: You know. The weirdest thing about this to me, right, yeah,

882
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 4: is like I think it has to be Andrew Garfield

883
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 4: from Amazing Spider Man two, because I think it has to.

884
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 2: Be post the death of post the.

885
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 3: Death of Gwen Stacy, because it has to be about redemption.

886
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know the moment where we see MJ four

887
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 4: calling like our like six on six MJ A Zendea

888
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 4: falling off the bridge with her hand up, you know,

889
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 4: that feels like a moment where Andrew Garfield will be like,

890
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna.

891
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 3: Let it he grabs. I feel like that is it.

892
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 4: I also just feel like these movies are not remembered

893
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 4: like that fondly.

894
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 3: I mean there are there is a generation of.

895
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 4: Kids who this is their Spider Man, so so there

896
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 4: is a there's a nostalgia there. But I don't necessarily

897
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 4: think if Dane to hand, for example, you know, yeah,

898
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 4: I don't know, I'm I'm I'm in, I'm in, Trig

899
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 4: goat the whole.

900
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 1: I'll say this about I'll say this about Mark Webb's

901
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: amazing Spider and so in the theater as I see

902
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: these all yeah, me too. Obviously it has villain problems, okay,

903
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 1: And I think the choice to include the parents, the

904
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 1: Peter Parker parents kind of mystery backstory which has been listen.

905
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: It's established in the comics that they were Shield agents.

906
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: They get killed by one of the Red Skulls, not

907
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: the main Red Skull. They get killed, but it's never

908
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: it doesn't really play a role like in any Spider Like.

909
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: It's out there that that happened, but it's not something

910
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 1: that is present and or relevant in basically any Spider

911
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,760
Speaker 1: Man story that you will ever read up to now.

912
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,879
Speaker 1: But this is amazing Spider Man, great action. I love

913
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 1: when the fight in the school goes to the library

914
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: and I will go out. Here's a hot take. That's

915
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: the best Stanley cameo in what that's the best thing.

916
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 3: So well done, it's so brilliant. Okay.

917
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 4: So I think that if we're gonna get anything from

918
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 4: number one, I think the coolest thing that you could

919
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 4: get would be if this is just this is not

920
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 4: gonna happen, guys, but I'm just putting out there. If

921
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 4: it was actually like if you got like a Spider

922
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 4: Gwen or as they're calling her, now go Spider. If

923
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 4: we saw this Gwen Stacy in that guy's in this space,

924
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 4: that would have.

925
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 3: Been introduced that, you know.

926
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 4: I think that was something that people were excited about,

927
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 4: was like, maybe it's.

928
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 3: Not Andrew who saves MJ.

929
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 4: Maybe it's like Spider Gwen who swings in because there's

930
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 4: this kind of Kang esque purple skies where it looks

931
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 4: like many many universes are falling in.

932
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,240
Speaker 3: So I think if we I think we could see.

933
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 4: A version of Gwen almost like they did with Gomora

934
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 4: an end game where it's like, yes, somebody died, Wane

935
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 4: Gamora died, but now there's this other Gomora. And I

936
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 4: think we could get a tease of that and I

937
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,280
Speaker 4: think that would love something cool from the first movie.

938
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 2: I agree with you.

939
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: Listen, it's only a matter of time before we get

940
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 1: Goh Spider slash Spider Man, right, like that will happen.

941
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: We will see her at some point and maybe it's now.

942
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: That would be super cool. Okay, amazing Spider Ren too.

943
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: Also from the director Mark Web, Peter is you know,

944
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 1: he's leveled up in his crime fighting. He's still you know,

945
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: against Gwen's late father's wishes, attempting to stay in Gwen's

946
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: life and date her. Harry Osbourne becomes the CEO of

947
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,879
Speaker 1: Oscorps is Dean da Han. He discovers that Spider Man's

948
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: blood could cure the same illnesses that that killed his father.

949
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: But guess what Peter and Spider Man are like, I'm

950
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 1: not gonna help you with this. Oscorp electrical engineer, the

951
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: bumbling Max Dylon h is shocked and falls into a

952
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: vat of electric eels and he turns into electro The

953
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 1: ocean violations at Oscorp are insane. It's like, care about

954
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: the safety of your employees?

955
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 2: Can we do that please?

956
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 3: This also sounds like.

957
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 4: A Spider Man three level kind of goofiness. But the

958
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 4: most jarring juxtaposition in this movie is how absolutely tragic

959
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 4: and distressing Jamie Fox plays Max Fills and his betrayal.

960
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: He is he is He's a broken person who needs

961
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 1: who wants love and attention, and I'm.

962
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 4: To help people, and then like he gets turned into

963
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 4: a superhero by a mortified electric eels like there is

964
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 4: a tonal shift, and then yeah, and then when you

965
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 4: know he finally faces down Spider Man, he wants to

966
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 4: be like him, and Spider Man rejects.

967
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 3: That that is just like really heartbreaking.

968
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 4: I think I don't love I love Electro as a

969
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,760
Speaker 4: character in the comics, and I don't love the version

970
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 4: they did, But I do think Jamie Fox, I'm a

971
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 4: Mark Web bought this like tragic aspect to him.

972
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:12,280
Speaker 3: That's really really powerful.

973
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,399
Speaker 1: Because there is like an interesting like almost I don't

974
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: want to say stalker, but like rejected fan, a rejected

975
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 1: fan elemant to this Electro that I agree with you.

976
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 2: I don't love I don't love it in.

977
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 1: The broader context of the Spider Man universe, but I

978
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: think it's a really interesting idea well done, Like.

979
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 3: It is effective. It makes you feel for him.

980
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 4: I really this is probably my least what rewatched Spider

981
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,439
Speaker 4: Man because I find it really uncomfortable, Like it's it's

982
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 4: it's it's really uncomfortable.

983
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: To watch purposefully. It's an uncomfortable movie, Uh, Dylan. Now,

984
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: Electro has a big fight with Spider Man and then

985
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: he is captured.

986
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 6: Uh.

987
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,720
Speaker 1: But Harry Osborne sees an opportunity here he breaks Electra

988
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 1: out uh because he needs his help in getting into Oscorp.

989
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 1: Harry uh gets some advanced armor uh and venom all

990
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: left by Norman Osbourne, and in the process becomes the

991
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 1: supervillain Green Goblin. Peter and Gwen get back together. They

992
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,439
Speaker 1: agree to go to England together because Gwen is going

993
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: there because she's going to Oxford.

994
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 2: She is such a smarty.

995
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 1: Electro causes another blackout that causes a plane crash. Peter

996
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: and Gwen go off to fight him. They ultimately overload

997
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 1: Electro's body and explode him.

998
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 3: Horrible.

999
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 1: Now stop here it appears that Electro dies here. But

1000
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: Electro has died quote unquote died or been defeated just

1001
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: in this way numerous times in Marvel comics. And he

1002
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: his body just goes into like the electrical grid, like

1003
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: he's still around.

1004
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 4: He's it can even it can even cause him to

1005
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,399
Speaker 4: have more power, right because the election. You know that's

1006
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 4: how so so do you think is this post so

1007
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 4: post this?

1008
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:50,760
Speaker 3: Does he survive?

1009
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 4: Yes, I mean at some point but gets some kind

1010
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:57,240
Speaker 4: of stock technology, which actually brings me to another theory

1011
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 4: that I think is really really interesting that that mentioned

1012
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 4: to me, which I'll talk to you about in a

1013
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:03,240
Speaker 4: minute when we finished.

1014
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:09,399
Speaker 1: Okay, So Harry shows up as the Green Goblin, one

1015
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: of the weirdest. Don't love this green Goblin. I'll just

1016
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: say that kidnaps Gwen. Oh my god, wait what this

1017
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 1: is a new idea? Kidnaps Gwen, takes her to the

1018
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: top of the clock tower. We get the big fight

1019
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: where Peter is simultaneously trying to defeat Harry but also

1020
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 1: trying to make him stop doing this, but also trying

1021
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: to save Gwen's life. Gwen falls, Peter shoots the webbing

1022
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 1: at her, catches her, but the shock of the fall

1023
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 1: and the sudden deceleration kills her, and he is obviously heartbroken. Yeah,

1024
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: he's hard forget this. Later, Gustaf Freer's The Gentleman visits

1025
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: Harry Osborne, who is being held at Ravencroft and how

1026
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: does he get in there? How does this I don't know,

1027
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:56,879
Speaker 1: the security at Ravencroft obviously questionable, and he's like, hey,

1028
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: let's do a team.

1029
00:50:58,040 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 2: How many people do you think?

1030
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 1: And Harry Osborn's like, well, obviously eight would be too many,

1031
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: but four would be too few.

1032
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 2: I don't know a small how about six?

1033
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: And then and then we see we get this sequel

1034
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:15,800
Speaker 1: bait scene in which we see the new Rhino exosuit

1035
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:17,760
Speaker 1: that is soon going to go to apology your body.

1036
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:23,280
Speaker 1: We see the vultures wings YadA, YadA, YadA. Pete later

1037
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 1: at the end of the movie fights or goes to

1038
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 1: fight the Rhino now in his new exosuit, and then

1039
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,280
Speaker 1: we actually never see how that fight ends.

1040
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 3: So okay, So.

1041
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 4: To bridge this from where from where we are now

1042
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 4: amazing Spider Man two, where about to go see you?

1043
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 4: Spider Man Beginnings, Spider Man Homecoming, Electro has Stark Tech.

1044
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, So if we're thinking about.

1045
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 4: Somebody who could arrange the situation, and as we move

1046
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 4: into Armor Wards, which is gonna which is like such

1047
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 4: a brilliant arc and is very much concerned with the

1048
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 4: idea of villains having Stark Tech and or somebody bad

1049
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 4: having stock Tech. An Iron Man or in this case

1050
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 4: Rody is going to have to get it back, right.

1051
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 4: So who has stark Tech.

1052
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 3: In Homecoming and is misusing it?

1053
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 4: And well, not stark Tech, he has Chataria.

1054
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 3: But in every Spider Man movie.

1055
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 4: But so, something I think could be really interesting is like,

1056
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,919
Speaker 4: what if the Vulture has found a way to use

1057
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 4: the Chatari Tech to open these portals to bring in

1058
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 4: these heroes and he is arming them with stark Tech.

1059
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 4: You know, we know, Stark Tech's just throwing around in

1060
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 4: the universe. Mysterio has it. A child known as Peter

1061
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 4: Parker has world ending missiles he can shoot out of

1062
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 4: cool glasses. Like this stuff is not heavily protected. So

1063
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 4: I think that there is a version of this where

1064
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 4: Vulture is kind of an orchestrator played by the wonderful

1065
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 4: Michael Keaton, and that kind of link to this Chatari tech,

1066
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 4: this alien tech, this Stark Tech, and this kind of

1067
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 4: black market of heroes suddenly having it.

1068
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 3: That seems very like prescient to me.

1069
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 2: I really like that. I think Michael Keaton as Adrian

1070
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 2: Toombs was so good. He was just the.

1071
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 4: Reveal as well that he was was his dad. That's

1072
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 4: like one of the best like reveals in the MCU,

1073
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 4: so I think, but the fact that he's Immorbius, which

1074
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:20,840
Speaker 4: was actually meant to come out before this movie, I

1075
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 4: think there's a lot of connective tissue there.

1076
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 2: I agree with you.

1077
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: Okay, So now let's talk about MCU Spider Man movies.

1078
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 1: Just about the villains a vulture. We're gonna see what

1079
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 1: about Aaron Davis played by Donald Glover again one of

1080
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: these like, you don't just cast Donald Glover to be

1081
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: in fifteen seconds of a Marvel movie. Do we see

1082
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 1: him as the Prowler or do we think that's setting

1083
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:47,359
Speaker 1: up an eventual Miles Morales introduction and adventure on his own.

1084
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he's definitely setting up Miles. I mean

1085
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 4: he even says, you know, he mentions his nephew in

1086
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,959
Speaker 4: that I don't know if he'll be the Prowler yet,

1087
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 4: but he could be because kind of one of the

1088
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 4: things that I think really spoke to people about the

1089
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 4: way that they introduced Miles in into the Spider verse

1090
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 4: was that dueling nature of Aaron being his uncle and

1091
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 4: Aaron alway being the Prowler. So with hent Cheese, you know,

1092
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:15,240
Speaker 4: I I would like to see like you know, bikeem

1093
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 4: woodbine SHOCKA.

1094
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 3: I thought that was like.

1095
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 4: That was that was for more also a good a

1096
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 4: good potential like electro competitor or like there's like a

1097
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 4: there's like a combined you know. Of course they both

1098
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 4: have electric powers, because every black superhero or villain has

1099
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 4: electric powers in comics.

1100
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm I'm very intrigued.

1101
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 4: I think the big question is do we get Miles

1102
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 4: or a hint of Miles in this movie?

1103
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 3: And then that answers whether we get Aaron.

1104
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 1: I think we get a hint of Miles. I think

1105
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 1: Sony is I do too eager to do that. I

1106
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: don't think we're gonna see too many characters or any

1107
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: characters outside of like the kind of Sony Spider Verse

1108
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 1: right for a very particular corporate IP sharing reasons.

1109
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 2: But I agree with you.

1110
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 1: I think that there's gonna be a Miles hint or

1111
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 1: some kind of quick introduction of Miles here. Okay, Now,

1112
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 1: Mac Gargan was introduced in the MCU Spider Man. Do

1113
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 1: we see Mac Gargan as the Scorpion in this movie

1114
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 1: or what do you think? Is that gonna be a

1115
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: later on as part of like Adrian Tombs, like Vulture Tech.

1116
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:24,280
Speaker 4: He might be like a Henchy if just like gets

1117
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 4: out and he's got his little chop shop running again.

1118
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,359
Speaker 3: Like I could see Mac being there because they met

1119
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 3: in prison.

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Speaker 4: But I really think, like the MCU has done and

1121
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 4: Sony in these kind of jeweling movies, they've done a

1122
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 4: really good job of creating these very memorable characters. So

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00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:39,800
Speaker 4: if you think about people who are going to be excited,

1124
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 4: like people you want to see Mysterio yeah, after he

1125
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 4: said that wild wild stuff at the end of Far

1126
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,399
Speaker 4: from Home or whatever, you know. So I feel like

1127
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 4: there's the ones that would be the big gets and

1128
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 4: the ones that are more likely. And I think Mac

1129
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,320
Speaker 4: is quite likely, but it would be a smaller scale.

1130
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 4: I don't think he's going to be a main Sinister six,

1131
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 4: even though he's the scorpion.

1132
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 1: Right, and then Mysterio dead officially dead or do we

1133
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 1: see another mystery. I don't think that they bring a

1134
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 1: variant Mysterio from another dimension.

1135
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 4: But that would be funny because he made up he

1136
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 4: made up the six one six thing became true.

1137
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 3: If they did, it would be funny. But I think

1138
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,399
Speaker 3: you're right. Could it be quentnen Beck from the past.

1139
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the question, you know, was he plucked just

1140
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 2: before he died? Right? And is he dead? Dead? Like

1141
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 2: was the end of Far from Home?

1142
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: Just like a like an elaborate Quinton back illusion once

1143
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 1: it loose, Yeah, big questions now a couple of you know,

1144
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: just kind of like housekeeping prompts and questions regarding this.

1145
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 1: The MCUs is set to introduce Peter's actual backstory up

1146
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 1: to getting bit by the Spider and up you know,

1147
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 1: after that, his life with Uncle Ben, uncle Ben getting

1148
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 1: killed and then all of that that leads up to

1149
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: his introduction in Civil War. How much of Peter Parker's

1150
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 1: parents do you think are going to be in any

1151
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 1: of this or are part of the MCU Spider verse

1152
00:56:58,840 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 1: going forward.

1153
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 4: I think the closest thing that we will get is

1154
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 4: that Uncle Ben. I think that they've probably wanted to

1155
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 4: do it for a long time, and I think the

1156
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 4: difference will be if they do it. I think they'll

1157
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 4: do it from the perspective of aren't may I think

1158
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 4: that that would be the way to do it A

1159
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 4: bit differently.

1160
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 3: I don't know about his parents.

1161
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 4: I feel like there's so much more to do, right now,

1162
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 4: and in my opinion, this kind of swirling rumors from

1163
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 4: what Amy Pascal said about three more Spider Man movies

1164
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 4: that they're working on with Tom Holland, that mcu denied

1165
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 4: like that Marvel Studios wouldn't confirm that. To me, doesn't

1166
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 4: say we're getting three more Tom Holland as Peter Parker movies.

1167
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 4: That says to me that there's three Spider Man movies

1168
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 4: that might happen that Sony and Marvel might make together

1169
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 4: that Tom Holland is somehow involved with. So I don't

1170
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 4: know if there's going to be time for that, But

1171
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 4: in a multiversal sense, as we go into No Way Home,

1172
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 4: I do feel like we're going to get some Uncle

1173
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 4: benish business. Could it be the Uncle Ben's from the past.

1174
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 1: Here's my take. Listen, I loved Hot Aunt May. Yes,

1175
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 1: Maurrissa Tomey's Hot. It May is just it's a great

1176
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 1: shift and a great change, and of course Mersas to me,

1177
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 1: is one of our great actresses. Hot Uncle Ben. Here's

1178
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 1: my cane ready, Bobby Kennavale.

1179
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 3: Oh my god, you're blowing my mind.

1180
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 1: Bobby, Hot Uncle Ben. Make it wow, make it so.

1181
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 2: Amy Pascal and Kevin figy, let's go.

1182
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 4: That is it, especially because tell me, you can't imagine

1183
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 4: Bobby Cannavale getting in between a fight because it's the

1184
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 4: right thing to that fight and be like no, this

1185
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 4: is wrong, and then you know he can die and

1186
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 4: and and that's sad. Yeah, I'll be very interested. I

1187
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 4: am a fan. I was very impressed by them avoiding

1188
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 4: redoing the Uncle Ben thing, which I think in the

1189
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 4: third movie, I think if you want to touch on it,

1190
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 4: you can. I think, you you know, maybe they'll do

1191
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 4: the more you know, the big my big funny Nerd

1192
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 4: quote that my fact is, you know, like Uncle Ben

1193
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 4: never actually says in the comics, with great power comes

1194
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 4: great response until like that that doesn't happen until like

1195
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 4: Spider Man versus Wolverine years later in Amazing Fantasy fifteen,

1196
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 4: it's like the last panel and Spider Man walks away

1197
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 4: and the caption is like describing him and then is

1198
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 4: like he's aware at last that in this world, with

1199
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 4: great powers, there must also come great responsibility. So maybe

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00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 4: the MCU is very comic savvy and and very bothered

1201
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 4: about the comics in a way that some of the

1202
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 4: other adaptations weren't.

1203
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 3: So maybe when they do it.

1204
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 4: It could be more like a conversation between aunt May

1205
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 4: and Peter, kind of reminiscing about the kind of man

1206
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 4: Ben was. I feel like there's gonna be some Ben

1207
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 4: here now. Is there gonna be multiversal Ben where he

1208
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 4: has to see like all these different Uncle Ben's being killed?

1209
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 4: I would, I would think it was hilarious, but yeah,

1210
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 4: it's probably not gonna happen.

1211
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 1: Okay, in no way home? Who else do we see?

1212
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 1: Do we see? Do we have any hints of X Men?

1213
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 1: The Fantastic Four? Rightack?

1214
00:59:58,920 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 2: What do you think?

1215
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 3: Okay? I am a believer one.

1216
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 4: I think the Kingpin situation and the introduction of Echo specifically,

1217
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 4: and the way that it's being teased in Hawkeye in

1218
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 4: the lead up to this movie, with the potential of

1219
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:16,919
Speaker 4: Kingpin even appearing properly, not just the touching Echo's face

1220
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 4: in episode three, I think Matt Murdock is a very

1221
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 4: safe bet. I actually don't think it's that outrageous. I

1222
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:26,439
Speaker 4: think there's a reason that Kevin Feigee turned around and said, Hey,

1223
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 4: if the devil's in the MCU, it's going to be

1224
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 4: Charlie Cox.

1225
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 3: You know, he.

1226
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 4: Randomly gave that quote and he just confirmed that. So

1227
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 4: I think that means that's likely. I personally do believe

1228
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 4: that a really easy way, not necessarily the best way,

1229
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 4: but an easy way to blow up the multiverse. That

1230
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 4: in the way that they want to do is to

1231
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 4: introduce a lot of cameos at the end of this movie.

1232
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 3: How effective or not that is going to be, it's questionable.

1233
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 4: But like in this we see Stephen and we see Keeter,

1234
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 4: and there's this Kang purple you know, purple kind of

1235
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 4: cracks in the sky that look like Kang's multiversal kind

1236
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 4: of stuf. And Stephen says, oh, you know, they're pushing through.

1237
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 4: They're coming through, and I can't stop them. And we

1238
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 4: know that that is after the villains have been there,

1239
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 4: because he's already had to explain to Peter what is

1240
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 4: going on. So if Peter was there when the villains

1241
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 4: were coming through, he wouldn't have had to explain to

1242
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 4: Peter where those original villains were coming from. So I

1243
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 4: think that the I think that the end of the

1244
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 4: movie will be some kind of multiversal collaps where you

1245
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 4: could very likely get your previous characters, you know, Patrick

1246
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 4: Stewart as Xavier, these kind of people but just momentary

1247
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 4: cameos of these different universes colliding, maybe even just images

1248
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 4: and reuse stuff from other movies, and then it sets

1249
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 4: up a sort of Infinity War end game where Multiverse

1250
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 4: of Madness is about cleaning up right close multiverses period.

1251
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 4: And then you get to and and you know you

1252
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 4: can have some fun. You have Chris Evans as Johnny

1253
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 4: Storm momentarily with you, and then you really get into

1254
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 4: it in Multiverse of Madness with the true more than cameos,

1255
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 4: they're not just momentary seconds. But I actually kind of

1256
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 4: looking that the movie as it is and looking at

1257
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 4: what the trailers have released, I think that there is

1258
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 4: a big chance that that is going to be Also,

1259
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure that for the jun Kit they didn't

1260
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 4: show the whole movie. They just showed the opening kind

1261
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 4: of certain amount of minutes. So I think that there's

1262
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 4: something there to there being a lot more characters.

1263
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 3: Than we think.

1264
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 1: I'll say this specifically about dared Ovil. My take is

1265
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 1: that dared Devil already exists quote unquote in this kind

1266
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 1: of six one six universe. They're not going to bring

1267
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 1: him in through interdimensional magic because like then his law

1268
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 1: degree wouldn't work. He's got to be able to practice

1269
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 1: law here the six one six, and it's and if

1270
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 1: he has like an Earth twenty nine law degree, it's

1271
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 1: just not gonna it's not gonna translate. This was so fun.

1272
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 1: I can't wait for this movie. I can't wait to

1273
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 1: go see it. We're very excited to potentially go see

1274
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 1: this movie early at a screening. Hope that happens, Rosie,

1275
01:02:52,880 --> 01:03:05,479
Speaker 1: I can't wait. It was delightful. Up next, endgame. We're

1276
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 1: in the end game now, folks. Today we're playing another

1277
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 1: round of Assembly Required, in which Rosie and I will

1278
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 1: pick a character or item from the Spider Verse for

1279
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 1: a randomly assigned mission. What is the mission today, Christopher?

1280
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 5: All Right, so you're gonna pick someone from any of

1281
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 5: the Spider Man movies we've been talking about today, and

1282
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 5: you're going to bring them as a date to a

1283
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 5: family wedding weekend.

1284
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 3: It's like a whole.

1285
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 5: Weekend rehearsal, dinner, formal ceremony, reception, plus morning brunch after

1286
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 5: the wedding.

1287
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm ready, Rosie, would you like to go first?

1288
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 5: Now?

1289
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 3: You get fast, you get fast, You're ready.

1290
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 2: Okay?

1291
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 1: I was I was thinking about I've always been a

1292
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 1: big Fantom person dunce Mary Jane, but I don't want

1293
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 1: to risk the wedding getting blown up because some super

1294
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 1: villain comes in and kidnaps her in order to force Peter.

1295
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 2: To do something.

1296
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:56,920
Speaker 1: Similar problems obviously with Gwen Stacy and May. I know that, Like,

1297
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 1: I don't know where things are going with Happy right now.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how you know what the status of

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Speaker 1: that is. I'm saying, if you would like to go

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Speaker 1: to a wedding as friends or whatever, you know, We'll

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Speaker 1: see what happens.

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Speaker 2: We'll see what develops. But that would be delightful.

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Speaker 1: I think he'd be a charming guest to have at

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Speaker 1: the wedding. I would be I would be delighted if

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Speaker 1: you would be my date to this wedding. That's all

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Speaker 1: very good choice and hope and listen, you know rip

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Speaker 1: to Hot Uncle Ben Bobby Canabe.

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Speaker 3: I know, I'm like, I'm sad Hot Uncle Ben isn't

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Speaker 3: Cannon because like.

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Speaker 4: I don't want a wedding I want I would go

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Speaker 4: with Bobby Canna all to this wedding. This is very

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Speaker 4: tough because like my first thought is like Ned, that's

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Speaker 4: like a sweet kid, but also like he's a child,

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Speaker 4: so I literally physically cannot do that.

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Speaker 3: So I'm going to go with man, you know what,

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Speaker 3: I'm just gonna go with Donald Glover as Miles's uncle.

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Speaker 4: Oh nice, we don't know he has a really bad criminal,

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Speaker 4: right element. Yeah, he's just just a little bit of

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Speaker 4: a criminal, just doing a little bit of criminosoft.

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Speaker 3: He's funny. He has a cool nephew.

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Speaker 2: Like, why not, Rosie, you can fix him.

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Speaker 3: I can fix him exactly. I'd be like, come on, man,

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Speaker 3: you don't need to do it, Like, you don't need

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Speaker 3: to work for the Vulture. He's not good for you

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Speaker 3: should work for the Kingpin. I would make it worse.

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Speaker 4: Actually, we'd be out to dinner and I'd be like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: have you Maya Lopez?

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Speaker 3: She's really cool. Have you thought about working for her?

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Speaker 3: You get a track suit?

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Speaker 4: You know, Like I'm trying to cross those streams.

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Speaker 3: Folks.

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Speaker 2: That is it for the endgame.

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Speaker 1: Let us know you think one and use hashtag XRVN

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Speaker 1: game to give us your pick. Okay, have a fun

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Speaker 1: episode today. Big thanks to Rosie to yourself for joining

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Speaker 1: us in extra vision. Rosie, where can people find your genius?

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Speaker 1: Writings and podcast appearances across the internet.

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Speaker 2: Where can they find them?

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Speaker 4: I'm Rosie Marks on Instagram, which is mostly where I

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Speaker 4: talk about this podcast. I write a lot. If you

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Speaker 4: want more theories noticed is yeses for that. So many

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Speaker 4: theories there, so many, So just like a lot polygon

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Speaker 4: you can find me there, like if you'd walk Eye

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Speaker 4: for Polygon ign if you want some film reviews that

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Speaker 4: kind of bizz.

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Speaker 3: Occasionally big deep explainers go up there.

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Speaker 4: Too, and yeah, and also that's it, and I just

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Speaker 4: the other thing I wanted to say, which was something

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Speaker 4: I know me and Jason both feel the same about.

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Speaker 3: Like George Perez, who's like such a big icon in comic.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he recently shared that, you know, he he's got

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Speaker 4: cancer and he said, you know, he thinks he has

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Speaker 4: about six months to live.

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Speaker 3: But he just really felt so grateful for.

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Speaker 4: How much he'd impacted people's lives, and he wanted people

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Speaker 4: to share their stories. So I just I just want

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Speaker 4: to say thank you to him for the work that

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Speaker 4: he's done, and like he just changed so much of

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Speaker 4: comics to make it a lighter, brighter, more beautiful place.

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Speaker 4: If you want to go out and read something, read

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Speaker 4: George Perez's wonder Woman, you know, new Team tight Ends.

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Speaker 3: There's so much brilliant stuff. Yeah, and I just wanted.

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Speaker 4: To just give him a shout out and say like,

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Speaker 4: thank you for all his work.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just a wonderful person, just defined the look of

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Speaker 1: his era. And and no safer and more exciting hands

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Speaker 1: to put eight Crisis on Infinite Earth's or Infinity Gauntlet.

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Speaker 1: Stuff to put like literally the biggest, wildest, most infinitely

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Speaker 1: crazy story. Put it in the hands of George Pros

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Speaker 1: and you're going to get something that is just magnificent

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Speaker 1: to look at and behold.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Wishing him the best.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just wishing him the best.

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Speaker 2: Totally big thank you to everyone for listening.

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Speaker 1: on each episode, check out our listeners guide to all

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Speaker 1: when we cover Spiderman No Way Home on the day

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Speaker 3: X braw Well, that's like our That's like on Marvel Nights. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: is produced by Chris Lord and Saul Rubin. The show

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Speaker 1: is executive produced by me Jason Tepsione and Sandy Trard.

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Speaker 3: Ben where you been?

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Speaker 2: It was just out? I was out and Peter read By,

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Speaker 2: I mean, what's going on this?

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Speaker 1: Kids acted crazy lately, he's acted absolutely nuts.

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Speaker 2: May you look it good?