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Speaker 3: It's time now for another episode of The Dynasty wrap
Speaker 3: up show. Matt Smith alongside with Mike Usoa Paul Brillow.
Speaker 3: The ten part documentary event The Dynasty New England Patriots
Speaker 3: is streaming now exclusively on Apple TV Plus. Series is over,
Speaker 3: Guys nine and ten is over. Paul off the ear,
Speaker 3: you made a comment, Mike, I think you might have
Speaker 3: made it too. You really liked these two episodes, Paul,
Speaker 3: tell me why.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I thought it was a good finish. I thought
Speaker 2: it started strong the series, and I think it ended strong.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's obviously things that we're going to talk about,
Speaker 2: you know, the next half hour, so that you know,
Speaker 2: some some quibbles and problems with things they included. But
Speaker 2: I thought that they did a good job of illustrating
Speaker 2: what had become an untenable divide between Bill Belichick, Tom
Speaker 2: Brady with Robert Kraft sort of trying to mediate from
Speaker 2: the outside with some of that stuff new to.
Speaker 1: You, sure, I mean that was what made it good
Speaker 1: for me, And I think there was so much speculation
Speaker 1: during that time, a lot of it between the fans
Speaker 1: and the media and what's really going on, and some
Speaker 1: people don't want to believe, you know, that there's anything
Speaker 1: going on. And I think that these episodes and not
Speaker 1: only shine a light that there were things going on
Speaker 1: and from the people themselves, but they also in landed
Speaker 1: the plane. They also brought it all back together for
Speaker 1: me in a way that said, you know what, it
Speaker 1: wasn't perfect. It was definitely bumpy at the end, and
Speaker 1: there were you know, people that were not as quite
Speaker 1: as happy with each other as they once were. But
Speaker 1: in the end it all worked. This is the Dynasty
Speaker 1: still and you still kind of I still left with
Speaker 1: a good feeling. I got chills down the end of
Speaker 1: that second episode, episode ten. So I thought they really
Speaker 1: did a good job, especially just shining a light on
Speaker 1: really kind of a mysterious period of the end of
Speaker 1: the Patriots.
Speaker 2: Dynis Mike probably touches on something that you know, you
Speaker 2: at like, you know, what do you like about those
Speaker 2: last two episodes while we and it probably is a
Speaker 2: selfish thing because I remember doing shows. We were doing
Speaker 2: shows right here, you know, talking about in sort of
Speaker 2: you know, reacting to various reports that were coming out
Speaker 2: seth Wickersham things and one after not we just got
Speaker 2: beaten up. Why are you listening to these reports? What
Speaker 2: do you know? You know whose talks like that? What
Speaker 2: you're just making it up? Now, this is not reality.
Speaker 2: And what these two episodes and really the whole documentary
Speaker 2: series showed was that they weren't making it up. There
Speaker 2: was issues. They held it together. It's amazing they held
Speaker 2: it together as long as they did, but they were
Speaker 2: issues at the end that were causing it to be
Speaker 2: sort of untenable and coming to an inevitable end.
Speaker 3: So let's quibble. Starting with episode nine, and I've used
Speaker 3: this line before. Who had Fife and Drum and Trump
Speaker 3: to kick off episode nine on their bingo card?
Speaker 1: I thought that was a really interesting way to open
Speaker 1: it up. And I think, you know, you assumed that
Speaker 1: there was tension there with the team and obviously everything
Speaker 1: that was going on. I always kind of felt like
Speaker 1: I knew that Bill Belichick and Donald Trump had relationship prior,
Speaker 1: and I always kind of felt like Donald Trump threw
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick under the bus by reading a personal letter
Speaker 1: out loud and probably never something that Bill Belichick wanted
Speaker 1: getting out, knowing how private he was. But I also
Speaker 1: thought they kind of glossed over Brady having the MAGA
Speaker 1: hat and his thing as well, so you know, there
Speaker 1: was him being on the sideline as a guest of craft, right,
Speaker 1: and that they didn't mention it though, and they mentioned it,
Speaker 1: but they didn't say that detail though, did they. They
Speaker 1: didn't point that out about Brady. They said the three,
Speaker 1: but they didn't say anything out Brady. So that that
Speaker 1: was what stood out to me. And again that's a
Speaker 1: relationship that went back before Donald Trump became a political
Speaker 1: figure and mailed him a hat and it didn't mean
Speaker 1: what it means now, and Brady had in his locker,
Speaker 1: So I don't, you know, necessarily think that those things
Speaker 1: were meant to be over signs of support for the
Speaker 1: policies of Donald Trump. But they kind of got caught
Speaker 1: in that whole situation and caught up in.
Speaker 2: And I thought, you know, mccordy and Slater were good
Speaker 2: on that topic. I think Slater said something to the
Speaker 2: effect of he didn't think that that Belichick at the
Speaker 2: time was maybe connected enough to the players, And I
Speaker 2: thought that was a strong comment. The same time, I
Speaker 2: do step back and I look at it just the
Speaker 2: way you just said, Mike, with the you know, the
Speaker 2: Trump thing was you know, I don't really think the
Speaker 2: Trump thing was a huge part of this divide. I mean,
Speaker 2: I know, on the surface it looks that way. At
Speaker 2: the time, my mind's eye didn't tell me that that
Speaker 2: was a big part of the issues between coach and player.
Speaker 2: It was kind of a thing that got really heated
Speaker 2: at the time league wide, you know, and then you know,
Speaker 2: Trump coming out and then you know, saying these guys
Speaker 2: should be fired and things like that. Trump sort of
Speaker 2: was at the firestorm of that more so that I
Speaker 2: thought than the Patriots individual, right, I'm not here to.
Speaker 3: Defend Bill and Bill's taking some shots of this. I
Speaker 3: actually thought Bill's response with regards to the question about
Speaker 3: Trump made a lot of sense. Yeah, you know, I've
Speaker 3: heard Robert Craft say the same thing. They were friends first. Obviously,
Speaker 3: his presence in the political arena has blown up as
Speaker 3: to what people think of him and everything like that.
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, Bill Belichick was
Speaker 3: friendly with Donald Trump, as was Robert Kraft with Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: They didn't look at him as a Republican nominee or
Speaker 3: the president of the United States and then when he
Speaker 3: becomes that he probably used things to his advantage. That
Speaker 3: probably did Bill and Robert and Tom to that for
Speaker 3: that matter, with the hat a disservice.
Speaker 2: So I and I would just say, like, you know,
Speaker 2: you asked, you know what our squabbles are, you know
Speaker 2: what of our problems, quibbles whatever, Okay, So I would
Speaker 2: just say, you do a good job of sort of
Speaker 2: presenting the landscape. At the time, they show that sort
Speaker 2: of powerful moment with all the players. I think it
Speaker 2: was the Houston game where they're all taken a knee
Speaker 2: and that was a huge I'm not disminishing it was
Speaker 2: a huge thing at the time. What was the what
Speaker 2: do you what do you remember about the Patriots sort
Speaker 2: of emerging from that? I remember Bill Belichick having a
Speaker 2: huge meet and the players talked about this at the time.
Speaker 2: They had a meeting and they got to the bottom
Speaker 2: of it and they figured out what they were going
Speaker 2: to do as a team. Correct. I thought Bill Belichick
Speaker 2: showed incredible leadership at the time. And I remember thinking
Speaker 2: that at the time, it's a very difficult landscape to navigate,
Speaker 2: you know, sixty something year old white guy trying to
Speaker 2: deal with a powder keg here, and I thought he
Speaker 2: definitely handled it. We didn't get any of that. We
Speaker 2: didn't get any of that here. I would have liked
Speaker 2: to have heard mccordy and Slatter talk about the aftermath
Speaker 2: and how they moved on from that. We didn't get it. Mike.
Speaker 3: I want to ask you a question. I thought, as
Speaker 3: we move off of the politics in Trump to this
Speaker 3: episode really sort of crystallizes where the Belichick Brady relationship
Speaker 3: started to go south. And I thought Tom Curran really
Speaker 3: did a nice job of providing insight. I think we
Speaker 3: all remember that Tom Curran was as part of Camp
Speaker 3: Brady and he had he was reporting that down the stretch,
Speaker 3: and I think he lended a very credible was a
Speaker 3: credible source in this to kind of detail how things
Speaker 3: had just changed. As his sister said, Tom had changed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I thought, you know, Tom was great
Speaker 1: throughout the series. I mean just you know, he's always
Speaker 1: entertaining to listen to. But you know, I think what
Speaker 1: I kind of came out wondering was how did they
Speaker 1: keep it together past this seventeen season? Like, I think
Speaker 1: that was what I was most surprised about, was just
Speaker 1: how everything seemed to really be coming to a powder
Speaker 1: keg that season, and that in my mind again, it's
Speaker 1: like you kind of extract yourself from the viewing experience
Speaker 1: and then you remind yourself they won the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: the next year, and it seemed like things were as
Speaker 1: bad as it could possibly be at that point. Certainly,
Speaker 1: the introduction of Alex Guerrero kind of made chuckle, and
Speaker 1: he was, you know, kind of a device to illustrate
Speaker 1: some of Tom's evolution of what he needed for himself
Speaker 1: to succeed. And you kind of understand Bill's point of
Speaker 1: view as well on that, and you know, a little
Speaker 1: bit of a quibble, I would say, and I think
Speaker 1: that they landed like again, not to say land the
Speaker 1: plane again, but I think that they came out at
Speaker 1: the end.
Speaker 2: A little bit better with this.
Speaker 1: But I just think Bill Belichick was a little bit
Speaker 1: more of a three D complicated person then.
Speaker 2: They could have.
Speaker 1: I think they could have hit that a tiny bit
Speaker 1: better in this series of you know, there are moments
Speaker 1: when he turns the charm on. There are moments when
Speaker 1: you're like, this guy's cracking me up and I'm enjoying him.
Speaker 1: I didn't see enough of that quite and I felt
Speaker 1: like they kind of because of Bill's you know, kind
Speaker 1: of press conference bill that he presented in this it
Speaker 1: was all kind of left to Ernie Adams to give
Speaker 1: you the only kind of real infilm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, A good point, and I do think this episode,
Speaker 2: episode nine, I do think gave a good illustration of
Speaker 2: just how serious that the the sort of separation had become.
Speaker 2: You know, Robert Craft is saying that, you know, he
Speaker 2: felt that the you know, the tension with Bill, specifically
Speaker 2: among Bill and Tom, and that I think Robert and
Speaker 2: Alex Guerrero, you know, talking about how Bill had started
Speaker 2: to sort of separate from that team first mentality that
Speaker 2: he had always so famously had, and you know, and
Speaker 2: as it goes through that, you know, you sort of
Speaker 2: get to Okay, So now they're starting to work with Alex,
Speaker 2: and now it's not just Tom, it's the receivers. And
Speaker 2: it's not just Tom and the receivers, now it's Gronk.
Speaker 2: And then they tell that story about sort of Belichick
Speaker 2: lighting up Gronk about being too weak, that's why you're
Speaker 2: getting thrown around on the field. And I thought as
Speaker 2: much as there was sort of the anti Bill with
Speaker 2: some of the players. I thought Amandola who came in
Speaker 2: who had some incendiary things to say about Bill. He said,
Speaker 2: you know, I can totally understand why you can't have
Speaker 2: two trainers. You can't have different, you know, outside sources.
Speaker 2: And this is a guy who was doing the TV
Speaker 2: twelve stuff. A Mondola was tight with Edelman and Brady
Speaker 2: and doing the band work, but he understood why it
Speaker 2: angered Belichick. And I thought that offered at least some
Speaker 2: semblance of balance.
Speaker 3: And I thought Ernie helped hammer that point home too,
Speaker 3: like you've got a whole strength and conditioning staff, you've
Speaker 3: got a training staff for the team. You can't have
Speaker 3: one guy go, you know, or twelve guys go run
Speaker 3: off and do their own thing.
Speaker 1: I really found Brady to be a sympathetic figure. And
Speaker 1: I mean not that I didn't beforehand, but I think,
Speaker 1: you know, just the way that he talked about the
Speaker 1: difference that Alex Guerrero made for his body, It's like,
Speaker 1: how can you argue with this?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: And that was kind of the point they made in
Speaker 1: the documentary as well. But to hear Brady explicitly say,
Speaker 1: my elbow has heard me since high school and now
Speaker 1: I don't have pain anymore? What like, what else do
Speaker 1: you want to ask? And I think that kind of
Speaker 1: illustrated the bare point of the series, which was that
Speaker 1: it worked really well early on when Bill was a
Speaker 1: task master and he was over Brady and he'd never
Speaker 1: give him the credit, and it helped Brady ascend to
Speaker 1: great heights. But later on, when he continued to kind
Speaker 1: of take that approach with him, it started to push
Speaker 1: Brady away. And I you know, you wonder could Bill
Speaker 1: have done something different. It doesn't seem like in his
Speaker 1: DNA to adjust his coaching that way.
Speaker 3: I agree with you on the DNA part, but I
Speaker 3: also want to go back to something that you said
Speaker 3: off the air a little bit, and it was about
Speaker 3: what Nancy said that Tom had changed right the video
Speaker 3: in Tokyo. I mean, this was a This was not
Speaker 3: the guy that we saw Pisode one with Dave NuGen.
Speaker 2: Bigger than why doing.
Speaker 3: Playing technobol okay, this was Capital T Tom, Capital B. Brady,
Speaker 3: who is now one of the biggest stars in the planet.
Speaker 3: And I think Tom Brady realized that. And why am
Speaker 3: I being treated like the other fifty two guys here?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: I'm Tom F and Brady. He didn't say that. I'm
Speaker 3: saying that, you know, but I think we have to
Speaker 3: realize that he changed as well.
Speaker 2: And that's why I think what Mike said makes a
Speaker 2: lot of sense. I think everybody acknowledges Nancy Brady, you know,
Speaker 2: included that Tom had changed. Why couldn't Why couldn't Bill? Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, like Bill had to sort of remain like, No,
Speaker 2: he didn't have to. We should have been able to.
Speaker 2: It's part of listen, the guy is the greatest to
Speaker 2: ever do what he has done right. Six titles speaks
Speaker 2: for itself. But the best examples of coaching and leadership
Speaker 2: are being able to adapt and adjust to your various
Speaker 2: personnel and your various personalities. And I think in this
Speaker 2: particular case, for whatever reason, he felt it was really
Speaker 2: important to continue to treat him like Johnny Foxborough, like
Speaker 2: you always had, and.
Speaker 3: To continue to treat, you know, to at least outwardly
Speaker 3: what he says he's doing what's best for the team.
Speaker 3: Came one of the seminal moments in the entire dynasty,
Speaker 3: and that's a benching of Malcolm Butler. I think there
Speaker 3: was some pre release chatter that you were going to
Speaker 3: find out definitively, We the viewer, we the fans are
Speaker 3: going to find out definitively why he sat Paul, it
Speaker 3: didn't happen.
Speaker 2: You don't. You don't find that out. And there was
Speaker 2: I wasn't surprised to hear nothing from Bill on the topic.
Speaker 2: I wasn't surprised to hear nothing from Malcolm Butler on
Speaker 2: the topic. And you didn't. Okay, what I was really
Speaker 2: jarred by was I think the genuine nature that came
Speaker 2: across when, like Devin mccordy has asked, he, I mean,
Speaker 2: if he's lying, if he's covering up for something he
Speaker 2: belongs on Broadway, I mean that performance he definitively tells you.
Speaker 2: I have absolutely no idea why he didn't play, And
Speaker 2: I don't know how anyone could watch that and not
Speaker 2: believe them.
Speaker 1: No, And that's the issue, right, that's you know, what
Speaker 1: the whole thing was. And you know, for Robert to
Speaker 1: come out and say I was told it was something
Speaker 1: personal and then to you know.
Speaker 2: Just draw that parallel of talk about.
Speaker 1: Doing things that are right for the team and if
Speaker 1: this was personal, this felt outside of that realm and
Speaker 1: it felt more that that relationship was continue to, you know,
Speaker 1: to get more and more friction built around it, and
Speaker 1: that you know, seems like a huge thing. Then leading
Speaker 1: into the next Super Bowl, where I think Robert said
Speaker 1: I'm going to have my eye on him for super
Speaker 1: Bowl fifty.
Speaker 3: Three, which I thought was very strong words that I
Speaker 3: don't think most people knew. I'm gonna have my eyes
Speaker 3: on him. He tagged basically the lots and put that
Speaker 3: on Coach Belichick. And so now you're going from seventeen
Speaker 3: to eighteen. You know, you not in the series, but
Speaker 3: you scrambled to keep Josh. You needed Josh McDaniels. Thank
Speaker 3: God for the Patriots that he came back and left Indianapolis.
Speaker 3: At the altar, there's a tremendous amount of tension heading
Speaker 3: into this, and I think they made a point to say,
Speaker 3: with everything going on, Robert Kraft, did that Bill maybe
Speaker 3: convinced him that year that you could still win with
Speaker 3: way that I think we all think that Bill likes
Speaker 3: to win what with which is good defense, don't turn
Speaker 3: the ball over. You can win that way, And they
Speaker 3: rode that formula basically to winning that Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: You're talking about eighteen now, yeah, yeah, I mean, just
Speaker 2: real quick before that, I thought, you know, as you
Speaker 2: led up to the seventeen super Bowl, you know, I
Speaker 2: thought Robert definitively telling us that he told Bill, We're
Speaker 2: not trading Tom Brady ever, right, So that leads to
Speaker 2: the Garoppolo deal. In my mind, I think, you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's left unsaid in the documentary, but I think,
Speaker 2: you know, there was sort of a feeling that he
Speaker 2: was kind of grieving a little bit without Garoppolo. I
Speaker 2: think someone put it that way. And then, you know,
Speaker 2: when you get down to the aftermath of the lost
Speaker 2: super Bowl against Philly, and like I said, the players
Speaker 2: and like I still I believe, like I belie that
Speaker 2: Devin mccorty has no idea why Malcolm Butler didn't play.
Speaker 2: I believe that, you know, Amidola saying, you know, as players,
Speaker 2: we felt cheated a little bit. And then I thought,
Speaker 2: Matt your point that Roberts said basically he was unnotice.
Speaker 2: He was put on notice going into that eighteen season. Ultimately,
Speaker 2: I think for the long term of the Patriots, it
Speaker 2: was unfortunate the way the super Bowl game unfolded, Like
Speaker 2: they scored forty points you know, in the playoff games
Speaker 2: to get to the super Bowl. But the Super Bowl
Speaker 2: itself they won thirteen to three. And what matt said
Speaker 2: I think got validated is I think Robert looked at
Speaker 2: it and says, well, he can still win his way.
Speaker 2: I look back at it and said, well, they won
Speaker 2: one game that way in the last five years, would
Speaker 2: tell me that's not the way to try to win.
Speaker 3: Mike, were you surprised to the extent of which Brady
Speaker 3: admitted in Matthew Slater admitted that there wasn't a lot
Speaker 3: of conversation going on between the head coach and the quarterback.
Speaker 1: No, and that was I think, you know, one of
Speaker 1: the strengths of this, like I said, was really the
Speaker 1: spotlight being put on this relationship and how much it
Speaker 1: was devolving. You know, It's it's funny because I tend
Speaker 1: to look at things just generally through the football lens,
Speaker 1: and we never thought that the twenty eighteen twenty eighteen
Speaker 1: team was that great, And even now it's like, how
Speaker 1: did they pull this all together? And you could see
Speaker 1: like the joylessness and you know, the highlights that they
Speaker 1: were showing of touchdown nobody's really celebrating. And I'm thinking
Speaker 1: back to the nine documentary of you know, Bill put
Speaker 1: putting up video of guys making big plays and nobody
Speaker 1: really celebrating, and here it is, and you know, usually
Speaker 1: I feel like that's a death sentence for a team.
Speaker 1: This isn't a team that has championship caliber, but they
Speaker 1: were somehow, and it's just it shigned a whole new
Speaker 1: light for me on that Super Bowl win, both from
Speaker 1: how did they how were they able to pull up
Speaker 1: probably you know, just to credit to Tom Brady and
Speaker 1: you know, the Gronk and then the big plays that
Speaker 1: were made, but also just how how are they able
Speaker 1: to all work together and make that still happen?
Speaker 3: Did you see joy in the aftermath of the AFC
Speaker 3: Championship game against in the City Shure, That's the only
Speaker 3: game that showed by the way, the eighteen season was the.
Speaker 2: ACT champions and that is the only game that I
Speaker 2: thought that they showed genuine joy, you know, obviously until
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. Yeah, I did. But I also thought
Speaker 2: it was really interesting the way they said, like we
Speaker 2: leave off nine with Robert Kraft putting Bill on notice.
Speaker 2: You opened ten with Bill understanding that and Bill making
Speaker 2: some concessions, you know. Alex Guerrero was back, he was
Speaker 2: allowed back in the facility and whatnot, and some of
Speaker 2: those things that happened but really stood out to me.
Speaker 2: And you mentioned this off air too, matt was Bill
Speaker 2: and Tom were almost like not speaking, and it had
Speaker 2: become Matthew Slater's job to sort of.
Speaker 3: Didn't want it.
Speaker 2: He didn't want it.
Speaker 3: Mike didn't sound like he wanted it.
Speaker 1: And that to me was we're so used to We're
Speaker 1: just you know, Matthew Slater just retired, but he has
Speaker 1: been the spokesperson for this team for so long and
Speaker 1: keeping everybody in line. And to hear him kind of
Speaker 1: going to that side of the fence and really opening
Speaker 1: up about what was going going on, it was it
Speaker 1: was jarring to me.
Speaker 2: It really was.
Speaker 1: You've never heard Matthew Slater kind of be critical of
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick of what was going on in the locker room.
Speaker 1: He's always trying to bring people together and keep it rolling.
Speaker 1: So to me, some of those moments from Slater were
Speaker 1: the standout moments of the series.
Speaker 3: Paul, I'm not surprised to hear Rob Gronkowski being critical.
Speaker 3: I'm not surprised to hear Danny m and Doola being critical.
Speaker 3: I think we knew that that was, you know, that
Speaker 3: really aid at them. I was surprised the first time
Speaker 3: I heard the Matthew Slater comments to hear from such
Speaker 3: a respected guy who retired just a second ago. You know,
Speaker 3: so he was still here when this was going on again,
Speaker 3: some of these things making you know, what if Bill
Speaker 3: was still the coach. I thought they were very honest.
Speaker 3: But I will give me credit for this. He said
Speaker 3: what he said, but he always came back and he
Speaker 3: closed it by saying, we trust our you know, don't
Speaker 3: know why Malcolm didn't play in the super.
Speaker 2: Bowl, but we trust, we trust our coach, and.
Speaker 3: We ultimately trust our coach. And I think that that's
Speaker 3: what he believes, an old school.
Speaker 2: Guy, and I think ultimately that's what allowed it probably
Speaker 2: just stay together. Was they will like questioning everything at
Speaker 2: this point, but at the same time, the guy had
Speaker 2: won five titles, so you still had that baseline trust.
Speaker 3: I think one of the I would put him up
Speaker 3: for a Best Supporting Actor nominee for a documentary mini series.
Speaker 3: I thought Pioli was tremendous at the end to sort
Speaker 3: of summarize is it Tom's who gets credit? Is it
Speaker 3: Bill who gets credit. I thought that he was terrific
Speaker 3: when he was kind of upset and found it disrespectful
Speaker 3: Mike to choose sides.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's kind of along the lines of
Speaker 1: Ernie Adams. Ernie Adams delivered it in his kind of
Speaker 1: own way. But I think Scott Pioli is, you know,
Speaker 1: somebody who was on the inside got out. He's in
Speaker 1: media now, he's well spoken, he's you know, had a
Speaker 1: chance to kind of evaluate this whole period, and so
Speaker 1: I think he's a he's you know, he's the spokesperson
Speaker 1: that you kind of hope Bill would be, you know,
Speaker 1: where you're upfront and just kind of, you know, this
Speaker 1: is how it was. Maybe Bill will get there someday.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he was a great addition. And I mean
Speaker 1: I've talked to him a couple of times. I always
Speaker 1: of his perspective.
Speaker 2: Now on the win, he was really good. I was
Speaker 2: a little disappointed. I want I wanted an answer, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I wanted an answer.
Speaker 3: Were you surprised at how emotional on camera? Tom Brady
Speaker 3: wasn't talking about it with a couple of specifics here
Speaker 3: calling Bill to tell him that it's time to go.
Speaker 3: I didn't expect him to like gun the double clutch
Speaker 3: at that point in time, that one, that one hit me,
Speaker 3: you know, and his overall as he's trying to summarize it,
Speaker 3: I know, Tom's an emotional guy, and where's his emotions
Speaker 3: on his sleeves. I was surprised to the extent of
Speaker 3: how emotional he was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was. I mean, that's that's him. Yeah, that's him.
Speaker 2: I wasn't overly surprised by that. I think he's a
Speaker 2: very it's a guy who got emotional in the draft,
Speaker 2: you know, like he's just been uh, he's Yeah, I
Speaker 2: think that. I think Nancy may have said it at
Speaker 2: some point during the series about you know, a sensitive
Speaker 2: He's always been a little bit of a sensitive guy.
Speaker 1: Again, to go back how much I felt connecting with
Speaker 1: Tom Brady and I mean, in my notes, I just
Speaker 1: wrote down Tom deserved that seventh super Bowl, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's how can you watch Gronk and Tom and
Speaker 1: realize these guys are at the height of their craft,
Speaker 1: They're already being praised as the greatest players of all time.
Speaker 1: They just wanted to win and have fun and not
Speaker 1: come into this place and feel stressed out of their mind.
Speaker 1: And you know, so it it. You know, this this episode,
Speaker 1: I mean it really it's hard to say. I can't
Speaker 1: believe I'm saying it, but it really cast a new
Speaker 1: light for me on a number of different things, from
Speaker 1: the super Bowl fifty three win to the twenty nineteen
Speaker 1: season and how miserable Tom seemed through that where it
Speaker 1: really seemed like it was going down to Tom winning
Speaker 1: that super Bowl and kind of just getting the you know,
Speaker 1: not I don't know what justification is the right word,
Speaker 1: but you know, just finally getting to get that win
Speaker 1: on his own and to feel like I really did
Speaker 1: this one myself.
Speaker 2: That you're a phrase about landing the plane is like
Speaker 2: it's to me, it's it's Tom. You know, I'm proud
Speaker 2: of our journey. And that's when he got emotional. It
Speaker 2: was perfect and it doesn't need to be anything more
Speaker 2: than that. You know, he did that got me and
Speaker 2: then and then Bill he probably it was probably the
Speaker 2: right thing. It was probably the right move.
Speaker 3: Brutally honest, I thought, you.
Speaker 2: Know, sort of as much as Builder, because Bill's not
Speaker 2: an emotional guy. Bill's not like Tom in that regard.
Speaker 2: Bill's very calculated. Not doesn't mean one's right the other's wrong.
Speaker 2: But for him to sit back and say, yeah, this
Speaker 2: is pretty good. I'm paraphrasing, this is pretty what we
Speaker 2: did is special, and he acknowledged that, like sort of
Speaker 2: looked back on it again. To your point, he was
Speaker 2: still the coach at the time. It had to be
Speaker 2: a sort of a conflicting sort of emotions and mentality
Speaker 2: for him. But yeah, I thought it was a really
Speaker 2: nice way to sort of the last ten minutes. I
Speaker 2: thought it was really good, perfect, it was you know,
Speaker 2: it's just you.
Speaker 1: You brought it all home and said, look, it was
Speaker 1: dramatic and there were things going on that we still
Speaker 1: maybe would like to know more about.
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, this is a.
Speaker 1: Ten part documentary about a football team that played twenty seasons.
Speaker 1: And you know, I also came away, as you know,
Speaker 1: my fan side, I have three games to glory. I
Speaker 1: have America's game, I have to do your jobs. I
Speaker 1: have all all that behind the scenes, just talking football
Speaker 1: for a fan that I want. But if you're going
Speaker 1: to see the whole picture, I think you need to
Speaker 1: watch this.
Speaker 3: So this is a Dynasty wrap up show that you're
Speaker 3: watching and listening to here and as a reminder, the
Speaker 3: ten part documentary event The Dynasty New England Patriots is
Speaker 3: streaming now exclusively on Apple tv Plus. So for us,
Speaker 3: that's our wrap up of this series, but there's one
Speaker 3: more pod to do and we will talk with the director,
Speaker 3: Matt Hamichek, who has some very definitive opinions that Mike
Speaker 3: sort of alluded to on what went into his mentality
Speaker 3: of making this, as well as the author of the
Speaker 3: book The Dynasty, Jeff Benedict, who's also one of the
Speaker 3: executive producers. So stay tuned for that podcast coming up
Speaker 3: a little
Speaker 2: Bit later on