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Speaker 1: Welcome in. It is our two Nick Wright around the corner.

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Speaker 1: We have a lot to talk about today. The Buffalo

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Speaker 1: Bills have officially hired their offensive coordinator, Joe Brady. He's

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Speaker 1: a young guy. He'd interviewed for a couple of jobs.

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Speaker 1: You know, I talked about this to start last hour.

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Speaker 1: There are certain hires in the NFL that are absolutely obvious.

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Speaker 1: When the Broncos went from Nat Hackett to Sean Payton,

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Speaker 1: you knew. I knew that was going to be an upgrade.

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Speaker 1: When the Chargers went Brandon Staley Jim Harbaugh, you knew

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Speaker 1: and I knew that was an absolute upgrade. You know,

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Speaker 1: sometimes when you've got a young hot shot coach McVeigh,

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Speaker 1: Mike McDonald, Demko Ryans, Ben Johnson, it's very very promising,

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Speaker 1: right you. Ben Johnson had been the hot coordinator for years,

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Speaker 1: Matt Eberflus was struggling. The league had pivoted to an

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Speaker 1: offensive league. But my takeaway on this hire is whenever

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Speaker 1: you hire, like for instance, Kevin Stefanski in Cleveland got fired,

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Speaker 1: but it was it did feel like they kind of

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Speaker 1: Stefanski came in IVY League graduate, this is gonna work

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Speaker 1: better than the previous guys, Freddy Kitchens, Greg Williams. Ask yourself,

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Speaker 1: this is Joe Brady a better coach than Sean McDermott.

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Speaker 3: A I don't know, and be I don't think.

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Speaker 1: So that's not to say it's not gonna work. But

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Speaker 1: the Steelers hired Mike McCarthy why Mike is a Pittsburgh guy,

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Speaker 1: and that makes them comfortable. Joe Brady is hired because

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Speaker 1: he makes them comfortable, and he's worked with Josh Allen.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not saying it's not gonna work. I mean,

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Speaker 3: with Josh Allen St.

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Speaker 1: Mahomes, you're gonna win some games, right Like, It's just

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Speaker 1: you're gonna win some games if the coaching is competent.

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Speaker 1: But the golden rule is most of the time when

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Speaker 1: you see Vrabel replacing Girod Mayo, Peyton Nat Hackett. You

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Speaker 1: can see the obvious stuff that's gonna work, and then

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Speaker 1: you get this really hot coordinator that everybody Mike McDonald wants.

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Speaker 1: Jesse Mintter qualifies as that this cycle. Jesse Mentor, like

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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson's been the hottest young coach on the market

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Speaker 1: for two or three years. My guess is Jesse Mintor

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Speaker 1: Baltimore is gonna win a lot of games. Ben Johnson

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Speaker 1: in Chicago we all felt like major upgrade. So even

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Speaker 1: if you have him be a head coach, are you

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Speaker 1: the hot coach on the cycle? And my take here is,

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Speaker 1: I don't know he's a better coach than Sean McDermott.

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Speaker 4: Maybe he is.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, Nick right, I know he's got a

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Speaker 1: strong opinion. Host of First Things First is joining us live. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's I mean, it's why I don't get it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: what do you feel so I don't I.

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Speaker 5: Don't get it at all.

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Speaker 6: In the context of that press conference last week with Pegoula,

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Speaker 6: and here's why, two points were made by the Bills

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Speaker 6: owner seemingly unrelated to each other, but totally related to

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Speaker 6: this specific higher point. One the team I wasn't planning

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Speaker 6: on firing Sean McDermott. But when I saw the utter

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Speaker 6: devastation in the locker room, I felt like the team

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Speaker 6: needed a fresh voice like that. They just too many

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Speaker 6: devastating losses, right, And you can argue with that logic

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Speaker 6: or not, but that's what he said. The reasoning for

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Speaker 6: devastating losses, that has not had a hand in the

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Speaker 6: devastating losses. So that's the first point that to me

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Speaker 6: makes this odd. The other seemingly unrelated point is oddly

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Speaker 6: about Keon Coleman. When the owner of the team jumps in,

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Speaker 6: He's like, let me be very clear, Keon, who's still

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Speaker 6: on the roster, was not our GM's pick. He was

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Speaker 6: the coaching staff's pick and putting being like those dope

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Speaker 6: screwed that up. Who on the coaching staff, Colin, do

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Speaker 6: you think would have the loudest say on which wide

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Speaker 5: Head coach or the offensive coordinator. It's Joe Brady.

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Speaker 6: So the one like dry in the press commerce was

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Speaker 6: on Keon Goleman. Where they laid it at the feet

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Speaker 6: even though they were trying to put it on McDermott.

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Speaker 6: But why would McDermott have a super strong opinion about

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Speaker 6: which receiver to take. It'd be the coordinator and the

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Speaker 6: other one was the team just needed a deep cleansing

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Speaker 5: But then they bring in the same guy.

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Speaker 6: So again, that doesn't mean he won't be a good

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Speaker 6: operation and maybe McDermott was covering up more than we thought.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, I'm happy that Sam Darnold made

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Speaker 1: as a pro, probably in the biggest spot I know.

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Speaker 6: I'm happy for you, buddy, I'm happy for you.

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Speaker 5: You are the only one.

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Speaker 6: No one can say no one saw this coming, no

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Speaker 6: one saw this coming except for coward. No one believed

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Speaker 6: in him except for Colin Like, you're the one guy,

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Speaker 6: So congrats, But go ahead.

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Speaker 1: That I never knew if Sam was good enough to

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Speaker 1: I mean it's funny. In that quarterback draft class, Lamar,

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Speaker 1: Alan Baker, Donald and I said this what we learned

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Speaker 1: this year, Nick hire the best or hottest young coach

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Speaker 1: got to be team friendly. Donald has been last two

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Speaker 1: so everybody thinks this is sort of a one off.

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Speaker 1: In my take, is Joe Brady and Josh Allen at

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Speaker 1: Argue that this Donald thing is not a one off?

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Speaker 1: Is that if you look at their roster full of

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Speaker 1: more super Bowls going forward than Lamar and Josh Allen more.

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Speaker 6: Going forward is very interesting. Well, he's already the only

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Speaker 6: one to make one. And it is Listen, there have

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Speaker 6: least three quarterbacks from those classes win fifty.

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Speaker 5: Or more games.

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Speaker 6: Eighty three with Elway, Marino, Jim Kelly, that quarterback class

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Speaker 6: made ten Super Bowls. Wow four with Eli Rivers and

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Speaker 6: Big Ben that quarterback class made five super Bowls. Rivers

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Speaker 6: obviously didn't. And twenty eighteen where four guys have won

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Speaker 6: And going into the year, Colin I picked it in

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Speaker 6: him being dead wrong Baker to be the one to

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Speaker 6: we know. The cleanest path to the super Bowl over

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Speaker 6: the last twenty years is the one the Patriots are

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Speaker 6: writing right now. A draft a quarterback, get him up

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Speaker 6: to franchise quarterback level while on the rookie contract. After that,

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Speaker 6: been cast aside, get him back up to a level.

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Speaker 5: Or a level he's never been.

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Speaker 6: Pay him more than a rookie, but not what the

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Speaker 6: top guys make. I mean, it's a short list of

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Speaker 6: Bowls much less. Multiple Mahomes obviously did it a number

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Speaker 6: But it's not a lot of instances. When Burrow made it,

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Speaker 6: to try and he deserves it, to become the highest

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I said, the one thing we know to be

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Speaker 1: no chance to beat Indiana. I said, they're gonna play

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Speaker 1: they're gonna bloody Indiana's lip. It's gonna be a good game.

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Speaker 1: The first quarter they literally bloodied the lip of Mendoza.

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Speaker 1: They were late hitting. You could tell their whole thing was,

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Speaker 1: you don't think we belong here. So Brady's run the

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Speaker 1: Dynasty started as a fourteen point dog to a much

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Speaker 1: show on Turf. I said this yesterday, New England's a

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Speaker 3: Is that everybody wanted.

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Speaker 1: McVeigh first, Seattle second, and nobody cared about the AFC.

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Speaker 1: I think the super Bowl is a field goal super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: I think it's going to be incredibly well coached. I

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Speaker 6: Well, listen, I agree with you that I think New

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Speaker 6: England obviously can win, and I I feel like Vrabel

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Speaker 6: would have been a general sentiment of Oh, we know Stafford.

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Speaker 5: And McVeigh can do it.

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Speaker 6: I think it's I think what's going to be tough

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Speaker 6: is even though it has not played out this postseason.

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Speaker 6: Most people believe the Patriots have the better quarterback in

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Speaker 6: going to say, as great as he was in the

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Speaker 6: That's not necessarily how I feel about it, but I

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Speaker 6: they have gotten to this game and their quarterback hasn't

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Speaker 6: played well once this postseason, and so I am I

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Speaker 6: get a little annoyed when some of the Pats apologists

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Speaker 6: naming names, you know, talk about man, look at these

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Speaker 6: great defenses we've had to go through. That is impressive,

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Speaker 6: beating the Chargers, the Texans, and the Broncos. But those

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Speaker 6: great defenses have looked like great defenses to the tune

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Speaker 6: out gut feeling on this game is if the pats

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Speaker 5: Well, so I'll do Rams and then Broncos.

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Speaker 5: I would have gone for it in the Rams.

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Speaker 6: Spot without a doubt, Okay, because I would been worried

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Speaker 6: So I didn't have a problem with McVeigh going for

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Speaker 6: He's a great coach, nobody's perfect. My biggest Sean Payton

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Speaker 6: Thought that that was I thought Peyton and Sidham both

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the we'll end with this. I called him the

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Speaker 1: Everybody in the playoffs. You know, AFC had a twenty

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Speaker 3: He is not an off full coach.

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Speaker 1: In fact, my guess is he'll turn the franchise into

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Speaker 3: Is that fair? Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Listen, this is not the higher I would have made.

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Speaker 5: Wait a couple of weeks for.

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Speaker 6: Clint Kobiak and say, hey, we're the Pittsburgh Steelers. You

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Speaker 5: Then develop them. That's the path I would have taken.

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Speaker 6: However, while I'm saying that I understand the defense, the

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Speaker 5: Let me get this clear.

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Speaker 6: But we have four coaches colin In, John Harbaugh, Mike Tomlin,

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Speaker 6: think has eight, who all coached Hall of Fame quarterbacks

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Speaker 5: So I just think.

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Speaker 6: Maybe he has bad pr because he has the similar

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Speaker 6: All that said, I wouldn't have hired him. I'd have

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's it's really funny, and it's true.

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Speaker 5: But that's neither here nor there. Just very quickly, I

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Speaker 6: I also think when McCarthy was losing playoff games with Rogers,

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Speaker 5: Not Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 5: That's kind of the last.

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Speaker 6: I mean making the two World Series back to back years,

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Speaker 5: Talk to you Layer.

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Speaker 3: I mean, think about this.

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Speaker 1: lot like John Harbaughs. But we view it differently. And that's,

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Speaker 8: All right, let's start with the best quarterback in the

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Speaker 8: NFL this season, Matthew Stafford. Colin was a tough ending

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Speaker 8: for the Rams quarterback as they fell just short against

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Speaker 8: the Seahawks. He led the league in passing yards and touchdowns.

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Speaker 8: I mean, I think smart people think he's going to

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Speaker 8: be the MVP, slightly over Drake May. However, there's of

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Speaker 8: course chatter is Stafford going to retire?

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Speaker 5: He's old?

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Speaker 8: He said he's still taking time to consider it. Here

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Speaker 8: is the sound.

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Speaker 5: I'd be a lot that goes into it.

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Speaker 9: You know, it's uh, you know, a physical, mental, and

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Speaker 9: emotional decision, personal in a you know, a family decision

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Speaker 9: as well.

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Speaker 3: So when I'm ready to.

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Speaker 9: Figure that out, I'll be ready to figure that out.

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Speaker 9: That that moment isn't right now. I have so much

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Speaker 9: more time, I feel like to reflect on just the

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Speaker 9: people in the season that we just had. I want

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Speaker 9: to appreciate that and give it the time that it

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Speaker 9: deserves before I start thinking personally about what's next for

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Speaker 9: me and my family.

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Speaker 1: I think this is one of the most fascinating parts

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Speaker 1: of next year. So Stafford gave the Rams a team

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Speaker 1: friendly deal. It was very team friendly, and then he

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Speaker 1: gets the MVP. Okay, they're not getting that deal. And

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Speaker 1: by the way, it's a bad quarterback space. Now there's

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Speaker 1: those speculating they're going to go after c J. Stroud

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Speaker 1: with Houston. But is Houston going to give up c

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Speaker 1: J Stroud a bad quarterback class. Yeah, So my take

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Speaker 1: is they rolled the dice. Stafford bet on himself. Remember

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Speaker 1: Joe Flacco did that one in Super Bowl and got rich.

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Speaker 1: So you know, Stafford's like, okay, I'll take it team

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Speaker 1: friendly deal, and he went fifty two touchdown nine picks.

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Speaker 1: So my take is Stafford will come back, but he's

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Speaker 1: going to want more money. And they also have a

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Speaker 1: Devonte Adams issue. Even if they let him go, it's

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Speaker 1: a fifteen million dollar cap hit with Davonte Adams. So

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Speaker 1: one of the great gifts of this Rams team is

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Speaker 1: they have a star quarterback who makes a lot of money,

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Speaker 1: not Josh Allen a lot of money, but they've drafted

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Speaker 1: so well they've been able to maneuver around the cap

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Speaker 1: and get a Nate Landman and go and pick some

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Speaker 1: pieces with Davonte Adams. Well, now Stafford is going to

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Speaker 1: sign a deal if he stays, and he's going to

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Speaker 1: get paid really, really good money. So they're still about

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Speaker 1: a year away from having to pay all these young

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Speaker 1: defensive guys. But they That's why my take is they're

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Speaker 1: not going to give up a lot of picks and

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Speaker 1: go get Ty Simpson. They've got to go draft like

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Speaker 1: they have to get a right tackle. They'll save money

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Speaker 1: on han'stein. They'll probably move off one of their older

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Speaker 1: tight ends. They'll probably move off of Davontae Adams. They

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Speaker 1: probably have to move off either a safety or a corner.

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Speaker 1: It's a fascinating year because Matt Stafford better than himself.

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Speaker 1: He's not taken another Super ram team friendly deal. I

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Speaker 1: can't believe he would do that.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think he's definitely coming back. I would assume

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Speaker 8: like you that they're probably restructure his deal.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think.

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Speaker 8: DeVante's coming back. However, you know he starts your offseason work.

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Speaker 8: I'm not the Super Bowl's name whatever. I'm more into

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Speaker 8: these offseason moves. Colin, I got four names for you

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Speaker 8: who are a contract extension eligible on the Rams, they're

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Speaker 8: four starters. Kobe Turner defensive end, he's good, Byron Young

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Speaker 8: outside linebacker, Ed Rusher, he's good. Steve Avila left guard,

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Speaker 8: he's good. And then the big one, Poka Nikua is

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Speaker 8: eligible for an extension. I don't know if all four

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Speaker 8: of those guys are back, I would say three for sure.

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Speaker 8: You can't lose Pooka.

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Speaker 1: I feel Poona ford has been so good. Did they

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Speaker 1: move off Kobe Turner because they've got versed, they have

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Speaker 1: so much talent on the defensive front. I do them

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Speaker 1: moving off Young or Turner, Not that they're not great.

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Speaker 3: They'll have a big market, so I.

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Speaker 1: Could because Poona Forde's been great, and Jared Verse and

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Speaker 1: the first from Florida State, I mean, they've all been

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Speaker 1: They've drafted so well up front. I could see movement there.

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Speaker 1: I think they're going to keep that offensive guard. He's outstanding. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they drafted him high. He is delivered for them. Puka.

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Speaker 1: They're obviously they would give an extension to well.

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Speaker 8: Our buddy Daniel Jeremiah did his mock draft and he

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Speaker 8: had Mackay Lemon, your guy from USC going to the

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Speaker 8: Rams in the teams. They got two first round picks.

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Speaker 8: Rams are sitting pretty Colin. I'm just telling you they're

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Speaker 8: off season. Like, there's some teams that are messy. Rams

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Speaker 8: look really good. They just have to figure out who

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Speaker 8: these guys to bring back. If they get mackay Lemon

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Speaker 8: plus Davante and Puka with Kyron and Blake Corham, I mean,

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Speaker 8: who's got a better offense than that, I mean, that's ridiculous.

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Speaker 8: I think Stafford is coming back. I think Rams. Would

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Speaker 8: you agree Super Bowl favorites going in the next season?

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Speaker 3: Short list two or three teams? Yeah? Yeah? All right.

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Speaker 8: Let's move on to the next story, and that's the

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Speaker 8: Denver Broncos tough ending with the loss at home to

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Speaker 8: the Patriots. But interestingly, Russell Wilson remember that dead money

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Speaker 8: that comes off the books this offseason, and left tackle

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Speaker 8: Garrett Bowles expects Denver to be a popular destination in

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Speaker 8: free agency.

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Speaker 4: People want to come to Denver. I mean, I'll be

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Speaker 4: shocked to see how many free agencies want to come here.

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Speaker 4: We got a young team, we got a quarterback, we

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Speaker 4: got the best a line football. I don't care what

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Speaker 4: anyone says we do. That's just reality.

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Speaker 1: He's great, great player. I saw him once in an

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Speaker 1: airport in Salt Lake City. He looks like a tackle,

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Speaker 1: a large individual man. It's like the man upstairs does

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Speaker 1: not make a lot of Garrett Bulls that is an

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Speaker 1: offensive tackle.

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 1: I think Denver has always been a city that I

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Speaker 1: mean Peyton Manning played there and then stayed there. Like

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of pro athletes that love living in

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Speaker 1: Colorado and Denver, and I think they're going to be

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Speaker 1: good for a long time. Bone Nicks proved, even to

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Speaker 1: you and the critics, Bonnicks proved he's pretty darn.

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Speaker 8: For me, Bonus is fine, But I think you're the

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Speaker 8: one who's trying to sell me on Boulder being this

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Speaker 8: you know, cosmopolitan town. It's like basically the Paris of

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Speaker 8: the Midwest or something. Is I've never been. I've never

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Speaker 8: been to downtown Dead.

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Speaker 3: Coloris a lot to do, very recreational.

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Speaker 8: So I'm just digging into their offseason. They're in really

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Speaker 8: good shape. I mean Chiefs fans they're up against at

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Speaker 8: this offseason, but Denver Bulls is onto something. They're gonna

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Speaker 8: be a destination. I don't know if you're with me,

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Speaker 8: but I feel like offensive skill position, running back, tight end, receiver.

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Speaker 8: They could use a bump up. They don't have like

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Speaker 8: a like Courtland Sutton. You like him, but he's not elite.

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Speaker 8: He's not like a top five, top seven wide receiver

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Speaker 8: or a Pro Bowl Shad Door Sanders is a pro bowler.

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Speaker 8: Come on, row like the running game's fine. I feel

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Speaker 8: like they're one offensive piece away, and I believe in

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Speaker 8: Peyton they're gonna be good next year. Final story, Colin,

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Speaker 8: this is spicy and I'm a little salty. Does two

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Speaker 8: go together. Brian Dabole is reportedly going to take the

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Speaker 8: Tennessee Titans OC job if he does not get the

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Speaker 8: Raiders head coaching job. Now this you earlier, I think

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Speaker 8: this was yesterday. You said the Titans are your pick.

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Speaker 8: To keep an eye on them. If they get Daboll

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Speaker 8: and salaches, I.

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Speaker 3: Will choose them.

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Speaker 1: As the New York Giants won Tennessee two as the

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Speaker 1: double year win total teams. Absolutely, if that would be

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Speaker 1: a home run, you beat me to it.

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Speaker 8: Man, I like Tennessee this year. I was a year early.

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Speaker 8: But you are going to be right with Sala and Dabell.

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Speaker 8: I mean, listen, people are way down on cam Ward

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Speaker 8: By the way, Kim wod could have been the Pro

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Speaker 8: Bowl guy over Shudor Sanders. He just doesn't have a

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Speaker 8: big Instagram following. Kim Ward had a fine rookie season,

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Speaker 8: not amazing, He's fine. He listen, man, this dable hire

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Speaker 8: would be huge Colin that that division all of a

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Speaker 8: sudden's kind of good. Houston made the playoffs, Jacksonville made

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Speaker 8: the playoffs, the Colts were at one point.

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Speaker 3: I think, just ask yourself this.

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Speaker 1: Sam Darnold, since he left the Jets, doesn't that make

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Speaker 1: you understand that maybe it's the Jets. Robert sala is

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Speaker 1: with the Jets, he is going to Buffalo and if

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Speaker 1: they win a chance to be tied for first, they

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Speaker 1: fire him. He was obviously the best coach on the

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Speaker 1: staff and they circled the drain. I don't think people.

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Speaker 1: And then he goes to San Francisco, and I think

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Speaker 1: both of us agreed. What he did with the Niners

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Speaker 1: defense is hard to explain. No Bosa, no Fred Warner.

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Speaker 1: They moved off of Fung Greenlaw a bunch of kids

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Speaker 1: and were until the end of the year when they

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Speaker 1: just fell apart.

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Speaker 3: Physically.

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Speaker 1: We're outstanding beat Philadelphia. I think the sala higher is

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Speaker 1: the one higher that people have. Maybe it's because hardball

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Speaker 1: is getting so much attention, and the Bills job and

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Speaker 1: the Ravens job gets so much attention. I think Tennessee

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Speaker 1: they got their guy.

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Speaker 8: Big time just to clear something up. Okay, and it's

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Speaker 8: not just you. A lot of national guys have been

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Speaker 8: taking shots. Well, Dartle was with the Jets. He had

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Speaker 8: no chance. I mean, come on, I'm just going to

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Speaker 8: remind people he threw thirty five touchdowns for the Vikings

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Speaker 8: last year. Okay, he had four thousand yards passing and

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Speaker 8: the Vikings, who went fourteen and three, said Sammy, thank you,

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Speaker 8: enjoy wherever you want to go. So it's not like

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Speaker 8: just the Jets screwed up on Sam Darald. The Vikings

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Speaker 8: had a guy and just said we're good.

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Speaker 3: If that's how you feel.

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Speaker 2: J Mack with the news, Well that's the news, and

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Speaker 2: thanks for stopping by The Herd Line News. Be sure

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Speaker 1: Uh. Yeah, I was just thinking about this, that we're

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Speaker 1: going into a Super Bowl and this is obviously a

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00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: very physical game. But the Seattle Seahawks have their entire

651
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Speaker 1: roster except one running back, and they play physical football.

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Speaker 1: They're healthy. And the New England Patriots very physical team.

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Speaker 3: They're healthy. Where are all the injured missing starters. A

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Speaker 3: few years.

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Speaker 1: Ago, there was it was like four or five years ago,

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Speaker 1: there was such a major pushback, mostly by the other network,

657
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Speaker 1: but you know, it was, oh, these Thursday games, they

658
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Speaker 1: are too brutal. And so I literally called two players

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Speaker 1: in the NFL an older player and like a you know,

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Speaker 1: a twenty eight year old player and like a thirty

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Speaker 1: eight year an older player, And I said, what's the

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Speaker 1: skinny on that? And the player said, you get a

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Speaker 1: second by week, and it's the easiest week of practice

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Speaker 1: all year, and you're usually playing somebody in your region,

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Speaker 1: so you don't really practice as the easiest, and you

666
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Speaker 1: get like extra time. Players players actually like it. You

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Speaker 1: get the same check and you get a second by

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Speaker 1: and so this idea that oh, it's just too strenuous.

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Speaker 3: For a violent league.

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Speaker 1: The Super Bowl between Seattle, one of the most physical

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Speaker 1: teams in the league. They'll be missing one player of note,

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Speaker 1: Zach Harberonnay good running back, but Walker is their go

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Speaker 1: to running back and New England is overwhelmingly healthy as well.

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Speaker 1: In the end, this league has made a lot of

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Speaker 1: changes to enhance safety. Much less hitting players can adapt

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Speaker 1: and modified helmets.

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Speaker 3: You just don't hit as much as you used to.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of you can't hit certain players in

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Speaker 1: certain spots. And I'm not saying it's not a you know,

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Speaker 1: a brutal game of regulated violence. But once again, we

681
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Speaker 1: get to a Super Bowl and you know, ninety eight

682
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Speaker 1: percent of the rosters are healthy and ready to go,

683
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Speaker 1: and they're going to get you know, plenty of time

684
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Speaker 1: rest before we get the Super Bowl. It's an HiT's

685
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 1: a darn good league. Well run. You know, I was

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Speaker 1: thinking about when Mike Vrabel got hired. I don't mind

687
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Speaker 1: older coaches if they think young Andy Reid is sixty seven.

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Speaker 1: His play design, his play calling, the culture is built

689
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Speaker 1: is youthful.

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Speaker 3: He's sixty seven.

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Speaker 1: He feels like he's forty seven, right, Like he just

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Speaker 1: is a young coach. Vrabel's fifty, but he feels like

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Speaker 1: he's one of these thirty eight year old He's very

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Speaker 1: much on clock management, very very good situational football, excellent

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Speaker 1: on analytics. Vrabel is fifty. He didn't coach like an

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Speaker 1: older coach, and then you'll you'll Belichick seventy three. It

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00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: feels seventy three, tone deft offense. Only wants to coach

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Speaker 1: certain guys, and that's not a shot at Bill.

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Speaker 3: He has said that.

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Speaker 1: So you know, I just look at Rabel as one

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Speaker 1: of those guys we all know, you know, the Ben

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Speaker 1: Johnson's and the McVeigh and the shanahan and the young guys.

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Speaker 1: But Vrabel is one of these guys that is aging

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Speaker 1: really well. He is a young fifty and I just

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Speaker 1: the way he relates to players. He's always talking about

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Speaker 1: analytics and situational football.

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Speaker 3: Drew Brees yesterday about Rabes, I.

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Speaker 10: Remember I Vrabel as a player man, hard knows, tough, love, confrontation,

709
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Speaker 10: like he was just one of those players.

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Speaker 3: I see a side to him.

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Speaker 10: I don't want to say like a softer side, because

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Speaker 10: that's not the way to say it, but it's a

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Speaker 10: side of him that has become such an unbelievable like

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Speaker 10: teacher and motivator of men, but in a way that

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Speaker 10: is like so caring and thoughtful, but also just so

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Speaker 10: wrapped up in like identity and who we are and

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Speaker 10: what our standard is. And so to me, that's the

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Speaker 10: epitome of what they've done by going on the road.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's certain things that travel well. So

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Speaker 1: New England was the best road team in the league

721
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Speaker 1: Seattle or second. And it's defensive coaches, which is rare.

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Speaker 1: We would expect Mike McDonald, the younger coach, he is

723
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Speaker 1: going to be generationally great with the players, but you

724
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Speaker 1: start getting into the fifties, the first numbers five, and

725
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Speaker 1: sometimes like you want to coach certain guys and not

726
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Speaker 1: other guy. Vrabel is just one of those guys that's

727
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Speaker 1: going to age really really well. He's not about being right,

728
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Speaker 1: he's about getting it right. He's so good on the clock,

729
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Speaker 1: he's so good with situational football. He really likes his players.

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Speaker 1: I love that tunnel stuff. I think it's just I

731
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Speaker 1: think it's fantastic. And you know, there is that balance

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Speaker 1: of loving your players but holding accountable your players. And

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Speaker 1: there's stories about Rabel walked in when he got there

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Speaker 1: and he went into the locker room and the showers

735
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Speaker 1: and there were towels on the floor and he's like,

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Speaker 1: don't clean them. Wring them out and do not clean

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Speaker 1: those towels. You can do both be very demanding on

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Speaker 1: your players and be absolutely pro player.

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Speaker 3: I think that's the model.

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Speaker 1: You know, there was a story about Cooper Cup this

741
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Speaker 1: week that he didn't feel loved by the Rams, and

742
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Speaker 1: you're always going to get some of that. Mike Silver

743
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 1: wrote a story where, you know the Rams Cooper Cupp

744
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: felt the Rams were poisoning the waters with Cooper Cup.

745
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Speaker 1: They didn't want him to go to other teams. In

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Speaker 1: my takeaway is you got your feelings hurt because in

747
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Speaker 1: the story, buried in the story is actually a line

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Speaker 1: where nobody from the Rams called Cooper Cup Ryan. Cooper

749
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Speaker 1: Cup got his feelings hurt. Plus, they had drafted Pooka

750
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Speaker 1: Nakua who was taken over the league, so they didn't

751
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Speaker 1: need him. They had Kyra and Williams, they had Pooka Nakua,

752
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Speaker 1: They had drafted tight ends they had all these elements.

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Speaker 1: So but again it is a hard balance. There was

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Speaker 1: a story this week that makes it look like the

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Speaker 1: Rams don't care for the players. Well, they've moved off

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Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey, they've moved off Todd Gurley, they've moved off

757
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Speaker 1: Von Miller, They've moved off all sorts of players and

758
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Speaker 1: haven't poison the waters. The truth is Cooper Cups got hurt,

759
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Speaker 1: couldn't stay healthy. They drafted Pooka Nakua. He became less valuable.

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Speaker 1: He played nine games than twelve games than twelve games.

761
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Speaker 1: His yards went down three or four straight years. He

762
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Speaker 1: just wasn't as valuable. And athletes are very prideful. They

763
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Speaker 1: get their feelings hurt. They always think they have more

764
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Speaker 1: in the tank.

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Speaker 5: Than they do.

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Speaker 1: So it's the first time I've heard a Ram player

767
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Speaker 1: and they've moved off.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they've been right.

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Speaker 1: They moved off Todd Gurley two years later, zippo. You know,

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Speaker 1: when the Rams move off players, it's considered a very

771
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 1: tough on players, but it's pro player. So when I

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Speaker 1: read the Cooper Cup story, I'm like, that doesn't sound

773
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Speaker 1: like the Rams, And then I went into the story.

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Speaker 1: In fact, there was a line in the story by

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Speaker 1: Mike Silver. I'm not doubting that Cooper Cup feels that way,

776
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: but there's a line quote. After the Rams cut Cup

777
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Speaker 1: last March, he was stunned. Nobody in the organization, the

778
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 1: most powerful people never called to thank him. First time

779
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: of the franchise. Yes, feelings hurt.

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Speaker 3: I get it.

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Speaker 1: I understand he's bitter. Doesn't sound like the Rams though,

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Speaker 1: that I know