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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey you welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind Listener mail.

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Speaker 2: My name is Robert Lamb.

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Speaker 3: And my name is Joe McCormick. And it's Monday, the

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Speaker 3: Let's see Rob if you don't mind, I'm going to

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Speaker 3: kick things off with a response to our series on mud.

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Speaker 2: Yes, please date.

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Speaker 3: This is from Stefan and Stefan says that he is German,

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Speaker 3: so he hopes his German English is acceptable. It's perfectly acceptable, Steffan.

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Speaker 3: We always want to hear from anybody whatever state you're

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Speaker 3: do what we can with it. So we appreciate this.

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Speaker 3: This is following up from a digression in one part

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Speaker 3: of that series about the famous scene in the movie Predator,

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Speaker 3: the Original Predator with Arnold Schwarzenegger where he evades the

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Speaker 3: in mud, and we talked a little bit about whether

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Speaker 3: that would actually work. It seems like if it did work,

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Speaker 3: it would only work for a very short time, basically

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Speaker 3: until the mud heats up to same temperature as the

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Speaker 3: rest of your body. Stefan says, Hey, Robert and Joe,

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Speaker 3: great podcast has always many thanks for your work. A

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Speaker 3: short remark to mud, Arnold's and Predators. This is a

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Speaker 3: direct reference to the German legend daslid der Nibelungen. Siegfried,

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Speaker 3: the hero of this legend, killed a wildly feared dragon

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Speaker 3: with his sword, the Balmung. A bit of the dragon's

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Speaker 3: blood spilled on his skin, and he noticed that his

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Speaker 3: skin became invulnerable due to this plaster. He jumped into

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Speaker 3: the puddle of dragon's blood and in this way provided

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Speaker 3: himself with an impenetrable armor, except one little spot on

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Speaker 3: his back, right between his shoulder blades, which was accidentally

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Speaker 3: covered by a leaf of a linden tree. The story

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Speaker 3: goes that his wife cream Hilled, gave this information to

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Speaker 3: his rival Hagen van Tronier Tronia, sorry, I'm doing my best,

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Speaker 3: also who a little later took the opportunity to kill

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Speaker 3: Siegfried by stabbing him with a spear right at the

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Speaker 3: spot in his back which was covered by the leaf

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Speaker 3: and therefore still vulnerable. I think mister Antol, the director

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Speaker 3: I think Stephan might have been confused here because Antol

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Speaker 3: first movie from nineteen eighty seven was John McTiernan. But

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Speaker 3: whatever the case, Stefan is saying about the director of

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Speaker 3: the first Predator movie, Stephan says must have been a

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Speaker 3: big fan of the German legends. So replace Siegfried by

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Speaker 3: Arnold and dragon's blood by mud, and you don't have

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Speaker 3: to go a long way to Arnold's and mud puddles

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Speaker 3: winky face emoji. I hope my German English was sufficient

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Speaker 3: to get this remark across. Looking forward to your next podcast,

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Speaker 3: Greetings from northern Germany, half between Hamburg and New Munster

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Speaker 3: if you are interested, Stefan.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's wonderful. I mean, obviously, connections between myth and

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Speaker 3: Now, this is a good question. I haven't seen the

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Speaker 3: original Predator in quite a while. I don't recall how

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Speaker 3: the mud invisibility armor is eventually compromised. What happens? Does

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Speaker 3: Arnold fall into water and that washes it off? I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to remember as well. Because he

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then he covers himself with mud again, and

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Speaker 3: Well, and it has a move in it that I

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Speaker 2: Oh, you know, this is something we could potentially explore

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Speaker 2: one for Halloween season this year. We've touched on ghost

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Speaker 2: whereas ghost traps are often actual physical items and artifacts

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Speaker 3: Right in about your favorite monster traps, whether that's from

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Speaker 2: All right, We continue to hear from a lot of

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Speaker 2: folks concerning our Dream Falls series. This one comes to

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Speaker 2: us from Adam. Adam writes, Hello, Robert and Joe and

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Speaker 2: the rest, by which you means Jja, longtime listener of

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Speaker 2: the show here. I've always wanted to write in, but

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Speaker 2: after listening to the last listener mail episode, I now

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Speaker 2: have some things to share. It's time for some more

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Speaker 2: Baku content. In the video game Neo, there are many

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Speaker 3: By the way.

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Speaker 2: This is a Japanese video game that I believe is

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Speaker 3: Neither of us have played it, so we're unfamiliar.

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Speaker 2: So Adam continues. These are animal familiars that grant divine

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Speaker 2: Neo two, one of these guardian spirits is a baku.

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Speaker 2: This particular baku is called Yumihami. Its name literally means

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Speaker 2: dream eater. Its dream eating abilities are not shown in game,

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Speaker 2: and it uses lightning powers instead. I believe its dream

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Speaker 2: eating nature is more symbolic. In the story, Yumihami is

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Speaker 2: the guardian spirit of the game's main antagonist, Otakimaru. Otakimaru

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Speaker 2: bestows Yumihami to a character whose ambitions are getting out

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Speaker 2: of hand, causing him to turn into a villainous warlord. Thus,

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Speaker 2: it could be said that the baku devours the dreams

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Speaker 2: and ambitions of others. To fuel its own. In the

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Speaker 2: game's expansions, you eventually acquire a Baku named as such.

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Speaker 2: The game describes the Baku as devouring the desires of people.

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Speaker 2: It appears to have been corrupted by Otakimaru's dream to

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Speaker 2: devouring the dreams of others to fuel its own. Otakima

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Speaker 2: Momorrow eventually fuses with the Baku in an attempt to

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Speaker 3: Now, it would be funny if the horrible monster did

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Speaker 3: have Baku traits and it, you know, it looked like

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure it could be done. People love

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to do an image search on these

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Speaker 2: later and see what these look like. Yeah, Adam continues

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Speaker 2: that appears to be all the interesting things about the

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Speaker 2: Baku in Neo two that I can think of. The

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Speaker 2: neo games have their own interesting takes on Japanese folklore

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Speaker 2: and mythology, and the Baku's depiction is just one of them.

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Speaker 2: Never anything really deep, but fun to talk about. Anyways,

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Speaker 2: thank you for hosting this show for many years and

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Speaker 2: for all the interesting topics you've discussed. Hopefully I can

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Speaker 2: write in another time with more ideas regards Adam.

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Speaker 3: So, one thing this got me thinking about is the

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Speaker 3: multiple meanings of the word dream in English. So in English,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a fascinating question, you know, when you get

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Speaker 2: into the linguistics of things like this. Well, Adam, thanks

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Speaker 2: for writing in. So many of these video games are

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Speaker 2: there's so much amazing, amazing creativity that goes into these

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Speaker 3: All right, I'm going to read a message in response

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Speaker 3: to our episode The Machine Speaks, which was about machines

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Speaker 3: some degree accomplished that feat. So this message is from Magnolia.

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Speaker 3: Magnolia says, maybe it was the lack of sleep that

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Speaker 3: got to me, but I listened to your recent episode

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Speaker 3: The Machine Speaks. During a late night laundry crusade. Parentheses,

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Speaker 3: broken dryer and found the story of Fober, that's Joseph Fobber,

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Speaker 3: the inventor of the Euphonia and his Euphonia, absolutely heartbreaking.

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Speaker 3: Often while listening to history, I find myself imagining myself

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Speaker 3: learning about. In this particular case, I saw myself approaching

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Speaker 3: Well, I think even some of the people who described

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Speaker 3: held Magnolia? Ah, okay, So the idea that I guess

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Speaker 3: I mean, I guess the boring answer is to set

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Speaker 3: Does he feel like we do.

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Speaker 3: He does because he's because he's hearing it himself.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, how about the nineteen eighty three Neil Young

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Speaker 2: See, yeah, robot voice going on in there. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: I'm cycling through the songs on that Neil Young album

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Speaker 2: Oh, I remember liking some of them, Transformer Man, Unit

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Speaker 2: I don't think i've heard that. Opticos Go look that up.

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Speaker 2: from Pat. Guys, you recently asked about Elvis movies? Was

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Speaker 2: which he did not sing? Charro and Charo? The title

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Speaker 2: of it. A non singing Elvis Western. This movie was

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Speaker 2: They would have presentations like Elvis Week or Road two Week,

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Speaker 2: So I had to look this up, and I actually

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Speaker 2: and she told me that, yep, there's only one non

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Speaker 2: Charro By the way. It's also the only film in

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Speaker 2: which Elvis wore a beard. Oh, look this up, and

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Speaker 2: it looks more like stubble. Other times it looks like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's kind of got the beginnings of a full beard.

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Speaker 3: There, I'm looking it up right now. Okay. He plays

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Speaker 3: a character named Jess Wade. Oh yeah, I see the beard.

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, it's a kind of a beard.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's but it's significantly more beard than you usually

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Speaker 2: see on Elvis. I also asked my aunt what her

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Speaker 2: favorite singing Elvis movie was, and she couldn't pick just one.

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Speaker 2: She said that there are many good ones, but the

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Speaker 2: quote Jailhouse Rock is excellent, and then she included a

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Speaker 2: chef's kiss emoji. And she also highlighted King Creole and

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Speaker 2: Blue Hawaii. King Creole is notable. It has both Carolyn

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Speaker 2: come up on Weird House Cinema, and Blue Hawaii had

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Speaker 3: I don't think I've ever seen all of an Elvis movie.

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Speaker 2: No, No, neither neither of I you know, And I

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Speaker 2: guess the kicker is We could never actually cover an

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Speaker 2: Elvis movie on Weird House, not a proper Elvis movie,

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Speaker 2: because Elvis movies are pretty much the opposite of weird.

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Speaker 2: He never popped up in anything with a like speculative element,

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Speaker 2: no horror, no even real thrillers. However, I have toyed

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Speaker 2: house cinema, looking at stuff like John Carpenter's nineteen seventy

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Speaker 2: nine Elvis movie starring Kurt Russell and Shelley Winters, or

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Speaker 3: I see in the notes you said that one has

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Speaker 2: In it yep, along with John Saxon and an actor.

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Speaker 2: The star is William Smith, who played Conan's father in

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Speaker 2: Conan and the Barbarian. This is probably a funnier idea

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Speaker 2: than it would be an execution, though, so probably just

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Speaker 3: Okay. One last weird House message. This is from Tauntrey.

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Speaker 3: Tauntrey says hello again to my favorite podcasters. Loved the

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Speaker 3: black Hole episode. I'd never seen or even heard of

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Speaker 3: the film and am delighted to have watched it now. However,

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Speaker 3: I think you guys misread the ending. Maximilian and this

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Speaker 3: is the devilish sort of steally red ARCon robot. The

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Speaker 3: I definitely didn't put that together, but Tontree goes on,

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Speaker 3: The Horror. Also regarding the black Hole the ride, I

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Speaker 2: They still have some version of it. My son and

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Speaker 3: It is what do you call this type of ride?

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Speaker 3: It's where you're not actually like going anywhere in the ride.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I forget the industry terminology for this. But there's

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Speaker 3: your idea about this being Maximilian's father, that's very interesting

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Speaker 3: I could totally see it being the other way around too. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I like hearing a different read on this. It certainly

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Speaker 3: And I think it would make sense of doctor Reinhardt

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean it barely makes sense even with

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